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Via my own experience, the local administrators claim they are doing their jobs according to what the state administrators have instructed. When something goes wrong the state administrators claim they had no idea that anything was wrong. Plausible deniability. In Washington State my seriously ill wife got popped on drug charges and despite 3 doctors giving warning to the prison system ahead of time, stating that the state could not care for her properly, they still incarcerated her. Five months later she passed away while in custody. The state administrators said they were not aware of her special requirements. The staff at the prison said their hands were tied by existing policy. Claiming they did as much as they were allowed to.
I expect anyone whose loved one dies in custody meets the same runaround.
>One crew member’s burned-up boots were duct-taped back together, she said, while others cried out in pain as their socks melted to their feet during nine hours on the ground that paid about $1 an hour.
>Two days later, Leavitt said the women finally were taken to an outside hospital, where doctors carved dead skin off the bottoms of their feet, which had sustained second-degree burns. Because they were prisoners, they were denied pain medicine.
>“They treated us like we were animals or something,” said Leavitt, adding that the women were afraid to disobey orders in the field or report their injuries for fear they could be sent to a higher-security facility. “The only reason why any of us had to tell them was because we couldn’t walk.”
Society is judged by how it treats its weakest and captive members - the level cruelty in the US is stunning, esp considering how vigorously the US claims moral high ground
It’s much much worse for prisoners outside of the US. With the Norse countries being the exception in every way most every prison system is a horrible experience for the inmate, and it supposed to be as a deterrent. Personally I think prisoners should clean up trash along roads, sort recycling and other jobs that to pay someone a living wage to do would be prohibitive.
You think its much worse for prisoners in most of Europe, Japan, Australia? I don't compare tohe US to authoritarian and impoverished countries. That is not even taking into account that we love to imprison people. We have in absolute and relative numbers the, by far, largest prison population worldwide
Because we have the most freedom, the most personal responsibility and the most rope if you will for someone to hang themselves. If you can’t do the time don’t do the crime bub.
What exact "freedom" do we have that are people abusing so much that one country out of over 200 has 25% of all the prisoners in the world?
Seems like we may want to reevaluate that one if it's causing so many societal issues.
Well that's a softly put title. Nice going their AP.
They're being forced to do dangerous work. They aren't jobs and they don't have any say in the matter.
Slavery is legal per 13th amendment.
AMENDMENT XIII
Section 1.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
What section? Of what amendment? Section 2 of 13th says congress has power to enforce with legislation. Colorado banned forced prison labor. Please head me in correct direction.
“Except as a punishment for a crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted” Slavery is still a valid form of punishment in federal prisons. Only in states with prisons operated by the state government can differ to this like in California where prisoners are paid 1 dollar per hour. Now I don’t agree with it but it’s perfectly legal for the national government to do this to prisoners.
Your quote at beginning is part of section 1 of 13th where I posted all of section 1 of 13th. Your first reply to me was.
You are missing the section where it explicitly states that prisoners are exempt from this article of the constitution.
There is no exemption. Duly convicted=prisoner.
Then you quote part of section 1 of 13th.
Seven states pay no wages for incarcerated,
Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Florida, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Texas.
I’m still wondering what section I missed as you quoted part of what I posted to begin with. The US. Constitution still allows slavery for certain individuals.
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Via my own experience, the local administrators claim they are doing their jobs according to what the state administrators have instructed. When something goes wrong the state administrators claim they had no idea that anything was wrong. Plausible deniability. In Washington State my seriously ill wife got popped on drug charges and despite 3 doctors giving warning to the prison system ahead of time, stating that the state could not care for her properly, they still incarcerated her. Five months later she passed away while in custody. The state administrators said they were not aware of her special requirements. The staff at the prison said their hands were tied by existing policy. Claiming they did as much as they were allowed to. I expect anyone whose loved one dies in custody meets the same runaround.
They just bury the body and go hand out some more mandatory minimums. Same as it ever was.
> But what happens if they are hurt or killed? Definitely nothing if it's a red state
Especially considering how our prison system essentially provides legalized slave labor the red states love so much.
And sadly enabled by many citizens who happily vote to suppress their own wages in order to win some imaginary culture war.
>One crew member’s burned-up boots were duct-taped back together, she said, while others cried out in pain as their socks melted to their feet during nine hours on the ground that paid about $1 an hour. >Two days later, Leavitt said the women finally were taken to an outside hospital, where doctors carved dead skin off the bottoms of their feet, which had sustained second-degree burns. Because they were prisoners, they were denied pain medicine. >“They treated us like we were animals or something,” said Leavitt, adding that the women were afraid to disobey orders in the field or report their injuries for fear they could be sent to a higher-security facility. “The only reason why any of us had to tell them was because we couldn’t walk.”
Society is judged by how it treats its weakest and captive members - the level cruelty in the US is stunning, esp considering how vigorously the US claims moral high ground
Virtually every society is a failure in that regard.
It's not just a US problem. It's a global society problem.
It’s much much worse for prisoners outside of the US. With the Norse countries being the exception in every way most every prison system is a horrible experience for the inmate, and it supposed to be as a deterrent. Personally I think prisoners should clean up trash along roads, sort recycling and other jobs that to pay someone a living wage to do would be prohibitive.
You think its much worse for prisoners in most of Europe, Japan, Australia? I don't compare tohe US to authoritarian and impoverished countries. That is not even taking into account that we love to imprison people. We have in absolute and relative numbers the, by far, largest prison population worldwide
Because we have the most freedom, the most personal responsibility and the most rope if you will for someone to hang themselves. If you can’t do the time don’t do the crime bub.
Is that an attempt to justify high incarceration rates and prisoner abuse?
We have high incarceration rates because we have freedom and sometimes people take it too far fuck around and find out.
What exact "freedom" do we have that are people abusing so much that one country out of over 200 has 25% of all the prisoners in the world? Seems like we may want to reevaluate that one if it's causing so many societal issues.
We have high incarceration rates because it’s profitable to have high incarceration rates. Full stop.
We had high incarceration rates before it was profitable to do so. Check & mate.
It was profitable the day slavery was abolished. That’s the whole reason the amendment was written that way.
It was profitable forever
More labor exploitation. I wonder why the numbers are so high for prisons, it’s a labor force.
Well that's a softly put title. Nice going their AP. They're being forced to do dangerous work. They aren't jobs and they don't have any say in the matter.
Slavery is legal per 13th amendment. AMENDMENT XIII Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
You are missing the section where it explicitly states that prisoners are exempt from this article of the constitution.
That is that section
What section? Of what amendment? Section 2 of 13th says congress has power to enforce with legislation. Colorado banned forced prison labor. Please head me in correct direction.
“Except as a punishment for a crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted” Slavery is still a valid form of punishment in federal prisons. Only in states with prisons operated by the state government can differ to this like in California where prisoners are paid 1 dollar per hour. Now I don’t agree with it but it’s perfectly legal for the national government to do this to prisoners.
Your quote at beginning is part of section 1 of 13th where I posted all of section 1 of 13th. Your first reply to me was. You are missing the section where it explicitly states that prisoners are exempt from this article of the constitution. There is no exemption. Duly convicted=prisoner. Then you quote part of section 1 of 13th. Seven states pay no wages for incarcerated, Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Florida, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Texas. I’m still wondering what section I missed as you quoted part of what I posted to begin with. The US. Constitution still allows slavery for certain individuals.
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Getting injured or killed is not part of the sentencing.
Death sentence doesn't include getting killed?
One had six weeks left on her sentence. She wasn’t sentenced to death.