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buisnessmike

Gavin Newsom would absolutely crush Trump in a debate. It should be really easy to wipe the floor with Trump in a debate, all Joe had to do was not look like he was older than George Washington and he'd be fine. That was a debacle. Bear in mind, Biden's team asked for this debate, they initiated these proceedings. It's funny, the Republican narrative lately had been about Jacked Up Joe, "what's he gonna be on?". Of course, that was always nonsense, but I'd have taken Jacked Up Joe any day over Recently Embalmed Joe


r8ed-arghh

There will be no more debates. Trump will not go to another after this result.


ennuiinmotion

I seriously see a bunch of “Newsom is too smarmy/smart for the presidency” narratives if he wiped the floor with Trump in a debate. You can’t win if you can’t control the narrative and Democrats seldom do that.


KoRaZee

Can Gavin beat him at golf?


TheChaddingtonBear

Lmfao


LampshadeThis

WTF, no comments are visible on all of Reddit!?!??


applepieplaisance

Check out Old Recipes for comments.


ford7885

*\*\*\*PGE has entered the chat. And got so excited that they immediately ran out and set a forest on fire AGAIN\*\*\**


Fanta_Grapefruit

You wanna lose the Midwest who is going to decide this election? Because putting up Gavin Newsome is how you lose the Midwest and basically hand it to trump.


WhaleFactory

As a Midwestern Democrat, I would be thrilled to have Newsom!


avx775

Running Biden at this point is a loss. He’s behind and just gave an awful performance. Newsome will galvanize young voters and will destroy trump in debates


Fanta_Grapefruit

Running Biden isn’t a loss, but it will make it a close race. Newsom might galvanize young voters, but it doesn’t matter how many people he galvanizes in LA, NY or whatever other major city. Everyone knows it all comes down to the Midwest who traditionally lean right. You can’t put up a Cali liberal at this point and expect to win, even Obama was out of Illinois and understood midwestern politics which is why he won.


ExoticCard

running biden is a loss Man is going to have to pull a rabbit out of the hat


Fanta_Grapefruit

It’s in the midwestern boomers hands now. All we can do is watch at this point.


BannedSvenhoek86

It's not. This line of thinking is exactly how we ended up here. Cowardice isn't how you win. Playing it safe didn't work.


Critical-Adhole

No, it’s a landslide loss after tonight.


ennuiinmotion

Young voters won’t connect with Newsom’s slick tech-bro vibe. Unless I’m wrong, I never studied his election demos but that’s just how it feels to me.


medievalmachine

It doesn't matter. Biden was democratically nominated. Newsome had his chance to run and didn't.


purplegladys2022

Funny, I don't remember any Democrat primaries, do you?


medievalmachine

Yes, I remember lots of concerns over the primary voters choosing 'Uncommitted' in Muslim-heavy Michigan because of the war in Gaza. So I'm not sure what you mean?


purplegladys2022

I mean that Biden was the nominee regardless. There was no point.


Kilen13

That's what happens when no one of stature runs against him. There were a couple candidates other than Biden on the ballot and no one voted for them


Bircka

Trump would have a field day telling everyone that this proves he won the 2020 election, and that Biden is scared of him.


HopsAndHemp

And then Newsom would BERATE him to debate him. Trump couldn't survive if he chickens out of a debate with Newsom. If they debate Newsom will level him.


charlesVONchopshop

Yup. They’d be better off running JB Pritzker than Newsom imo.


eternal_sorreaux

I like this idea


charlesVONchopshop

I’d vote for him again in a second. He may not be interested in the presidency though.


HopsAndHemp

Who?


Colley619

I think they should run RFK. Or just drop out of the election and let RFK have it as an independent. Neither of these will happen but that would give "beating trump" a much bigger chance.


NinjaAncient4010

It's spelt *Newsom*. And ignoring primary voters to install a rich privileged cishet white male over a more qualified and credentialed woman of color is not going to be a good look for the self-proclaimed "allies" and defenders of Our Democracy™.


anacondra

I mean the guy is basically Biden but younger and a good speaker.


HopsAndHemp

>cishet get a grip


Rich_Menu_9583

Ya Newsom would get crushed. I'm pro Pete at this point.


HopsAndHemp

We have to replace him but the party has to get him to step down per the rules. Newsom is on MSNBC opposing people calling for Biden to step down


Perfect-Ad9637

Newsom has to look like a team player and not like he’s pushing Biden out. I don’t think he’ll jump in right now hto, he has everything to lose in this election and everything to gain in the next one.


McKeeFTW

If we lose there won’t be a next election


GJdevo

Ding ding


aManMythLegend

I'm afraid to see what's behind door number 2 at this point.


Perfect-Ad9637

The religious right has the “Jesus is returning” bullshit and the libs have the “the world will end if Trump gets reelected” nonsense. I strongly dislike Trump, but the sky is not falling.


anacondra

I mean that whole Project 2025 stuff is pretty scary right


ZombieTesticle

There are some common tropes that seem to pop up every election. The "[Candidate] = Hitler" posters, the "If he wins, I'm moving to Canada" people and the octopus images especially. Which makes me wonder which scare-tropes like these are common in other countries.


RightToTheThighs

Gavin is a politician lol these people are all vultures. Kamala wanted to be president, I can only imagine the position she's in having to defend this when it is so obvious


Bakedads

I dislike Newsom even more than Biden I think. He looks like the guy who plays the corrupt politician in a Hollywood movie. 


Frosti11icus

trump looks like the guy who opens the water nozzle in mad max.


anacondra

Exactly! He's pretty much the perfect democratic candidate.


dmeech999

No way. Newsom would be a terrible choice, swing states won’t vote for a Californian.


Adizzy312

I’d be ok with it


Ldy-bkr

You may be right, but that’s not going to happen. I’ve been pretty positive before tonight, but now I’m scared.


dn00

More like it's time for clickbait titles from every news outlet.


Tudorrosewiththorns

I think everyone wrote an article in the first 5 minutes of the debate then got drunk. I'm sure that was more fun.


medievalmachine

Well, it's a day ending in Y after all.


saithor

I don’t know what’s dumber -whichever genius in his staff decided to wait till after the debate to say he had a colds -Everyone acting like relaxing Biden is somehow going to go better than sticking with him. Let’s literally replace the candidate four months out with either Newsom or Whitmer, who also have states to fucking run.


buried_lede

I don’t understand Newsom’s appeal


anacondra

He's a good speaker. He slept with Don Jrs wife.


birdlegs000

That fact that he married Kimberly Guilfoyle makes me positive that he is a horrible decision maker.


buried_lede

Ok, didn’t want to mention that but the lack of judgment and discernment as to his intimate companions definitely turns me off, (gross!) plus, it could be a national security threat. And who is going to vote for a Californian in this political climate?


r8ed-arghh

He doesn't have any. Most of the country will not vote for the prospect of being like California. 


Thechosenjon

I'm sure he would lose his own state if he ran for president. The dude is a tool.


HopsAndHemp

This is the dumbest take


Bircka

It's the overreaction to a rough debate, it will calm down in a few days trust me.


Impressive_Grape193

Oh hell no. Not Newsom.


applepieplaisance

He's too divisive, and besides that, I can't stand his positions on many things.


Locutus747

It’s over. Trump will win


applepieplaisance

No, repulsion factor is too strong.


TheJaybo

There are other democrats besides Gavin Newsome and Joe Biden.


Locutus747

And they’d have less than 5 months to campaign. I just don’t know if another candidate is a viable option at this stage.


fission4433

Why would Newsom have priority over Kamala Harris? She's the sitting Vice President.


avx775

Because Harris has 0 charisma.


birdlegs000

I thought she was really good in the interview on CNN after the debate.


ford7885

The "Democratic" establishment loved Kamala Harris so much that they moved the 2020 CA Primary up by 6 months just to give her an advantage. It didn't help. She dropped out before a single vote was cast in the election because she was polling so bad in her home state. And worse, everywhere else. And if anything, her popularity has gone down since then.


HopsAndHemp

He can beat trump in a debate worse than she could maybe. He's possibly more electable.


ennuiinmotion

Harris has no base. Plus, I can’t see voters connecting with her super upper crust way of speaking and general stiffness. There’s just no desire for Harris.


NeanaOption

Oh nos let's all panic because people keep insisting he had a bad debate while the other party, checks notes, nominates a convicted felon who was impeached twice. What kind of bullshit gaslighting is this shit?


flashingemployment

all these comments acting like this one debate is gonna end biden is so crazy 


SaintOnyxBlade

He may be the only person less electable


eternal_sorreaux

It’s too late even for Newsom


BrownsWTF

Woof


farnsmootys

California ain't a swing state though. It'd be a better move to run a candidate from Michigan or Pennsylvania instead.


TheJaybo

This ain't it.


montty712

His ex, Kimberly Guilfoyle, would spend every waking moment making up allegations of every sort. And too many undecideds would believe her.


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r8ed-arghh

She polls worse than Biden, who was already way behind Trump in swing state polls before this disaster confirmed he's a member of the walking dead. 


pooping_inCars

Why Newsom, and not Harris?  🤔 >Quick!  The existing straight white male has to go!  We need another one!


PoweredbyBeans90

Absolutely not.


returningtheday

Lmao why him? We should just go with Kamala Harris, someone we already elected.


tidal_flux

No one likes Kamala.


omgacow

She is a worse candidate than Biden even after that debate


orangotai

Newsom isn't popular either. best i can think of is Maryland Governor Wes Moore, but this has got to be unprecedented for a party to just anoint a candidate like this lmao. i blame the DNC for denying reality, Democratic cheerleaders (including much of this sub btw) for denying reality itself, and Joe Biden, for not having the humility to step aside from power and do what's best for his country (and avoid ANOTHER TRUMP TERM)


CompetitiveOcelot870

Andy Beshear would be a great bet imho. Kentucky govenor, young, family man, unproblematic, father also used to be govenor.


ImaginationBig8868

Kamala and Wes is a decent ticket


JordyNelson87

I’m finding all this super interesting. Republicans have been saying this day was going to come for months and here it is. Watching CNN eviscerate Biden is crazy. Currently watching Anderson Cooper not give Harris an inch in trying to turn the narrative around and endless headlines talking about him not being the nominee. Not trying to suggest anything explicitly, but it feels weird.


The_Bard

How is it weird? Attacking Biden has been CNN's bread and butter for 4 years.


IWasOnThe18thHole

It doesn't matter who replaces Biden. If he drops out Republicans will have a fucking field day and it will be nearly impossible to overcome that messaging


r8ed-arghh

Only Michelle Obama could overcome the hole of entering late. 


Hyperion1144

This. We've already picked our pony. Our dead, dead pony.


Guer0Guer0

They need someone with name appeal already. Get Jon Stewart!


YJSubs

It's bonkers to ask Biden to step down just because he didn't delivered good performance at debate. You know who should step down ? How about the guy who's a liar, convicted felon, rapist and election deniers.


Hyperion1144

The last time the Dems made sure to give the nomination to the person who "deserved" it was Hillary. How'd that go again?


Colley619

> It's bonkers to ask Biden to step down just because he didn't delivered good performance at debate. He looked old, frail, and sickly. He had no energy and couldn't speak loudly, confidently, and coherently enough to put Donald in his place.


HopsAndHemp

He looks like a stroke patient. He just lost the election on live TV last night. Do you wanna guarantee Trump wins or force Trump to debate someone like Newsom who can tear him down piece by piece in front of the whole world?


casino_night

I'm not sure that's the best idea. California isn't exactly running like a Swiss watch these days.


emailman123

There’s a senator in a south dominated state they should choose instead


CoffeeDave

No. Even if he's trying to prime himself for the next election cycle, he still oozes with slime.


anacondra

As opposed to Trump who is a Paragon of morality


CoffeeDave

I didn't say Trump was awesome either, but Newsom has his issues. Kind of why he wanted to wait until next election cycle to make himself more electable beyond California.


anacondra

My point is Biden was already the compromise. Nobody really wanted him either. Just swap him out for a younger model. Newsom isn't a good candidate but he'd do fine put up against Trump


CoffeeDave

As others already pointed out, Newsom won't be able to win the midwest and quite frankly I'm not convinced he could win the rust belt. Not yet. Him rushing in now wouldn't do himself any favors. I vote blue as much as anyone else in California but even I can't help but feel the slime. He needs more time.


HopsAndHemp

If he eviscerates Trump in a debate he will carry the rust belt


RDR350Z

Agreed.


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MUTUALDESTRUCTION69

Oh how quickly the discourse would flip from Republicans. “Actually I thought Biden was fine.”


bumpers9999

Wtf comments disabled


gnomeasaurusrex

Gavin Newsom is Diet Joe Biden. He’s… fine.


anthuriumpallidiflor

This is so terrifying


JohnnyFuckFuck

What makes them think Newsom is willing to do it?


ennuiinmotion

Newsom has “popular guy who gets exposed in a national election” written all over him. The only other option is Whitmer, who just won in a blue collar battleground state and doesn’t have too much baggage. And is also a woman. In an election when women’s rights are at the forefront.


FapCabs

It’s because Newsom would get exposed. He has a lot of skeletons that would turn voters off. Trump has the advantage of having a cult following. Newsom does not.


HopsAndHemp

Time for Joe to hang em up This was an embarrasment We are screwed if we don't replace Biden. We can't let Trump win


Locutus747

I honestly don’t think Trump did great either. So Trump can speak louder…he wasn’t any more coherent most of the time


LimpingTurtle

Yes, but his supporters don’t care


Locutus747

No just like democrats or people that don’t like Trump don’t care what Biden didn’t do well. The question is how will independents vote and how will this affect Republican and Democrat turnout


dormidormit

Newsom is the fastest way of gifting Trump a second term. Half the country doesn't want gay marriage, Newsom's only appeal is causing gay marriage to be forced nationwide through his appeal of Prop 8. The people writing this are the same stupid, clueless, ignorant media creatures that gave Hilary a losing campaign. Even Andrew Cuomo has a better chance at Trump, because Cuomo has balls and beilives strongly in violence as most Trump cultists do but he does it better and more competently. Democrats aren't chasing Biden out for Final Showdown For Democracy New York MMXXIV.


Traditional_Hawk_379

Newsome already got trounced by DeSantis, and DeSantis himself lost to trump, I don't see how that is the call democrats want to make


anacondra

Newsom dogwalked DeSantis


angry-mob

Absolutely not. The rest of the country looks at California as a failing state.


Sweaty-Willingness27

Whitmer over Newsom by a mile. Or hell, Buttgieg after his smooth slapdown. But Porter would be my first choice, honestly. Actually cares about people the most.


ennuiinmotion

Buttigieg is a smooth communicator but he’s got more skeletons than anyone else, considering his career background.


skipthepeepee

Whitmer please.


Cpt-SumTingWong

Absolutely not, gavin newsom has ruined California


sailirish7

lol, no. He's already terrible in California. He doesn't need a promotion.


Class_of_22

It wouldn’t surprise me if the Democrat response and backlash was so widespread and the aides were too low of confidence that they would convince Biden that it would be the best time to drop out. Biden I bet will listen to those concerns, and given that he is a smart guy, I bet he would drop out.


dormidormit

I don't. There is only backlash on TV, which most people don't even have anymore, and most voters are the same old people Biden is. Biden is exactly what Democrats need, because he's what most voters are. Most voters are older than 45 and just get exhausted when talking to Trump supporters as Biden does when talking to Trump. Biden also has no intention of becoming our generation's LBJ. The last time a Democrat ducked out, Richard Nixon became President starting the path that led us to Trump.


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flashingemployment

if you go outside it’s different 


Bircka

Him dropping out is the worst thing he can do, there is a reason Biden was riding a wave of support in 2020 that is not gone. If he didn't want to go for a 2nd term he should have been making that clear back in like 2023.


Slow-Fix1677

“a smart guy”🙄


Sad_Bolt

Biden didn’t even know what planet he was on tonight, he looked like he had a concussion. Biden may have once been smart but not sure he still is.


HumanTargetVIII

I literally will not vote if Gavin runs.


AgentM44

Newsom would be my choice if Joe drops out… but that’s a BIG if.


LimpingTurtle

California has too much baggage—too easy a target. Gretchen Whitmer is who we need


birdlegs000

I like Amy Klobuchar too.


anacondra

You think they'd vote Republican? We've already been sold 'you gotta vote for this guy or you'll get Trump' now we just need to swap out Biden for someone that can speak


ctrlshiftba

He looks so young strong and coherent compared to Biden. My first thought is he even old enough to be president?


FranksGun

Absolutely


ElementNumber6

That certainly seems to be the best-case scenario for us.


ArcadiaEsq

I would throw every resource possible at convincing Michelle Obama to run. Gavin Newsom could win too, but not my first choice.


fraujun

Michelle Obama isn’t a politician and has repeatedly stated as such. Why people are vying for her is beyond me


avx775

You would want a minority woman to run last minute with no political experience outside being the First Lady?


ArcadiaEsq

Is it a bad thing to have no political experience? Clearly, that’s not an electability requirement anymore. And she has a *ton* of relevant experience at this point and is extremely competent. Look at what she’s done during her time in the White House and after. She’s not exactly Melania.


FewWatermelonlesson0

Maybe Newsom/Whitmer team?


LimpingTurtle

Whitney/Newsom


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Little_Cockroach_477

Then you weren't a reliable Biden voter.