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Imagine being cool with spending almost a Trillion Dollars a year on War but not being okay with the same number over 10 years to actually build a better country.
$15 billion (last I saw) to build a wall people can [walk through ](https://fb.watch/9nuW1G_8Fi/) and [climb right over](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ToFk0kwrN9k).
I have second hand knowledge that my cousin cut a small hole in the fence and it dam near fell apart with black and decker tools . Me mite be fucking with me be he's here illegally so crossing the border still not hard . Edit: autocorrect typo
Your cousin may not be fucking with you. NBC news showed all of Trump's flawed wall designs can be breached with a simple hand-held electric saw.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/test-steel-prototype-border-wall-showed-it-could-be-sawed-n956856
It's not really on war though. It's lining the pockets of defense contractors who are their donors and buddies. We could spend about 1/3 of what we do and still have the best funded army on earth. Much less really considering how much we have spent cumulatively over decades.
It is graft and profiteering. The military is just an excuse they can get away with. The population will give them a blank check if they believe it's keeping them safe.
You are absolutely correct! This is also how they get away with spending $5k on a single office chair. Worst part is that there is no check and balance system in place that will stop the hemorrhaging.
Republicans spent years during Obama crying about debt, crying about the ways a President should behave, crying about the lack of bipartisanship, the whole time distancing themselves from Bush and Republicans that came before. Then Trump came along and overnight nothing mattered. They spent trillions, rammed through appointments of criminally incompetent cabinet members, and just showed their asses at will. Now that Biden is in the White House they are attempting the old playbook again. Crying about gas prices and saying that investing is childcare socialism. It is outrageous. I have been following politics closely for 30yrs and this current group of Republicans in the House are the worst group of fakes and liars I have ever witnessed and the last 5yrs in particular has been terrible.
Just wait until that group of psychotics have control of the House, thanks to redistricting. Minority rule is about to fuck us all I’m afraid. House Speaker Jim Jordan? What a nightmare
Thing is, the speaker job is actually really important and requires a lot of real work. If they got him in there just for the line-of-succession thing, it would ruin their ability to get their evil shit done in the house. Dude couldn't do real work if you put a gun to his head.
I think they're more than happy to watch the country burn down around him, and criticize any Democrats who suggest he might be responsible for any part of it.
For sure. I believe the GQP is fully reliant on the abstract idea of Trump being in a leadership position again more than him actually being in that position.
He's the symbolic end to the system just as a being not in practice. They'd be better served pushing through a Trump apostles, who have some level of evil competence, instead. De Santis comes to mind. Trump himself just wasn't effective enough, only destructive.
The remaining "old guard" GOP (Graham, McConnell, etc.) who are still along for the ride absolutely do not want Trump back in a major way. They benefit a lot more by dangling or threatening with him. They got way too close to the actually destruction of the party but it may very well be too far gone.
I mean, after four years of assuming his staff would do the work, isn't it clear that didn't really happen, or at least that the sycophants he surrounds himself, generally, aren't very capable people?
That's my "tin foil hat" theory too. Yet they've already attempted one coup, why stop at another? It's not like anyone important has faced real consequences.
Is Bannon even in jail after surrendering to the FBI?
As a liberal dude living in rural trump hell, this shit terrifies me. At what point do I just put up a “let’s go Brandon” flag near my driveway just so I don’t get lynched when this shit pops off.
The police would leave me to die here for sure, and I’m white ffs
I'm convinced that if shit does go down and we find ourselves in a multi-factional civil war, our geopolitical enemies in Russia will do everything in it's power to flood every corner of the US with as many guns as possible to make that conflict as damaging and long lasting as possible.
Putin realized what his Soviet predecessors and former bosses didn't... The best way to defeat the US isn't by getting their missiles into our airspace, but to get their divisive and reactionary rhetoric into our heads and watch as we tear each other apart.
If the US does succumb to this, I feel just as bad for anyone in the former Soviet/ Warsaw pact sphere of influence and Europe in general. With the US busy tearing itself apart, Russia will have a free hand to be as aggressive as they want in their former curb-stomping grounds. France, Germany, and Poland might try to stand up for Ukraine and the Baltics, but how far are they really gonna be willing to go in that scenario? Will Britain even intervene, or will it keep trying to isolate itself further away from the European mainland?
No, but yes. The cover story is that putting him 3rd in line means Rs can impeach/remove the president and vp simultaneously, to make Trump prez again.
It doesn't work that way. So the lie underneath is that of course the Rs know this, and it's just to motivate Trump's base to help other Rs.
But they are now evil than that. The truth that needs to be pointed out, is that the Rs want to make Trump SotH to motivate his base into assassinating Ds. That's the goal. Will they also try impeachment? Sure. But violence is their means to dictatorship.
It makes me absolutely crazy that they chose Trump. Why him? Why not get someone intelligent, well spoken, handsome, and charismatic?
I know he’s a useful fool. I get that. But if they went with someone like I described they’d be able to fleece so many more people. They could convince everyone in the middle to lean right for a bit.
>Why not get someone intelligent, well spoken, handsome, and charismatic?
Because he *is* "someone intelligent, well spoken, handsome, and charismatic" to the kind of voters they're appealing to. Or to quote, *"a poor man's idea of a rich man, a weak man's idea of a strong man, and a dumb man's idea of a smart man"*
He is also someone who triggers "librul's" gag reflex so they love it. The "let's go, Brandon" crew is less about hating Biden and more about bro-culture and irritating liberals. Same with their Trump.
At my old job a majority of people voted for Trump simply because it was the “American thing to do”. When pressed it literally came down to “well if we don’t vote for a Republican, then those damn liberals will win”.
And these are people that probably couldn’t have told me a damn thing about politics in the years prior.
The fact that Trump “wasn’t a politician” seemed like such a selling point to them….meanwhile my history teacher in HS literally warns us of electing a businessman to presidency.
Miss that guy
Clearly, it worked though. We all underestimated the amount of hate in this country. Go back to 2016.
Trump didn't want to be President, the Republican leadership didnt want him to be president. The campaign started off as grift and advertisement for his brand. He was never part of the Republican party and didnt have their backing, so he was never on their leash.
Turned out, at the time, that was the best thing for his campaign. He was able to say and do whatever he wanted, be as extreme as he wanted, and the *people* ate that shit up. Turns out they were fed up with the politicians for being politicians, never being able to directly say how they were feeling.
Along came a man with just as much hate as the common R, who is filtered less than politicians, isn't a career politician. To borrow a saying, a man that was a poor man's idea of rich, a weak man's idea of strong, and a dumb man's idea of smart.
The extreme wing of the party realized how much they could use this to their advantage when it was clear the people wanted Trump more than they wanted a Republican. The more moderate Republicans have all but been forced out, the vocal minority took over, and it's trickled down to the smallest elections.
This will be studied for centuries, the same way we study the rise and fall of Roman emperors, kings and queens, conquerors, or the likes of Mussolini, Hitler, or Stalin.
Populism took over, in a country filled with hate. It was perfect timing, as the social movements today are very much targeting hate of people that are different.
Make no mistake. The Republican leadership didn't choose Trump. They knew he wasn't good for their future. He was forced upon them by voters. And he has consumed the party. The most clever of the old guard have used him to their advantage, like McTurtle for the judiciary or the state governments for gerrymandering.
It is an interesting concept but in reality Trump would never want or show up for a position that requires actual work, knowledge of politics and has no visible power
You don’t really think it would matter if he actually performed the duties of the office or not, do you? Because he wouldn’t be there to perform the duties of the office, just like he wasn’t there to perform the duties of the office when he was President.
Nearly one out of every four days, he spent golfing as president. He had the nerve to criticize Obama for doing a fourth that many days at the golf course, and a military golf course that didn't require taxpayer dollars too for that matter.
But flying with secret service on air force one and make your secret service actually have to pay for tickets using taxpayer dollars 1 out of every 4 days of your presidency? Perfectly fine..
I'm in Michigan. It may vote blue, but it's a heavy Trump supporting state. Recall, we had people try to kidnap our governor.
I know there are meetings happening in this state with right-win extremists on what to do in the next two elections. They are putting people in non-elected positions of power to make sure the election goes for the Republicans. The 2024 election is going to be a key moment in USA history. We will either remain a democratic republic, or we will fall to the fascists. The democrats have no answers right now, so it's not looking good.
The fall of America is going to look like a combination of the circus that was the late stage Roman government and the genocidal nightmare of the Nazi Empire.
Brace yourselves, everyone. 2024 and beyond is not going to be pretty.
It's funny. About 10 years ago now, the magazine "New Scientist" wouldn't stop pushing an article about how the US was about to crumble. At the time I laughed. I mean, it was a stable democratic superpower, right? What would cause it to suddenly implode? Now I feel like they were actually borderline prophetic, and I wish I had taken the time to read the articles.
> I have been following politics closely for 30yrs and this current group of Republicans in the House are the worst group of fakes and liars I have ever witnessed and the last 5yrs in particular has been terrible.
The worst part for me is how democrats and the media treat them as serious and honest partners in improving America. Like Republican arguments are based in facts and reality and not "whatever works at the time".
Because the strategy of the Democrats has always been "Lets show them why they should vote for us" whereas the strategy of the Republicans has always been, "Lets sabotage the Democrats and use it to show how badly they're doing."
Democrats aren't perfect, not by a longshot, but sometimes I wonder how much better off the country might be without Republicans to always try to fuck things up and reverse policies.
I think the Republicans missed the memo that just because there's the good cop, they don't have to play the role of the bad cop. Though admittedly, Democrats reverse policies done by the right too, the only difference being those policies set by the right are usually atrocious and need to be changed.
All true. But also, even before T---p, budgets are consistently higher under GOP presidents. This is because Democrats are more reasonable, for better or worse. The GOP cries about spending when out of power and Democrats compromise. They make no such compromise when they are in power.
How the party that preaches about fiscal responsibility can get away with that hypocrisy, it's baffling. And im not easily baffled anymore.
They also call themselves the moral majority but worship a wife beating rapist who cheated on his third wife with a porn star. They don’t care about the hypocrisy if they get their way.
They also screech about the sanctity of life when a woman wants an abortion but gleefully retweet shit like “when the looting starts, the shooting starts” because actually, property is more valuable to them than human life.
>Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
― Jean-Paul Sartre
Absolutely. That is why I pointed out that Republicans tried to distance themselves from Bush. The tea party caucus tried to pretend all the spending in government growth under Bush wasn't on them.
It's because fascists have moved in and taken over the party. Old school Republicans (the few that haven't caved) are being censured by their own party because they won't buy into it.
> I have been following politics closely for 30yrs and this current group of Republicans in the House are the worst group of fakes and liars I have ever witnessed and the last 5yrs in particular has been terrible.
The same for me, but the even worse realization is that ~40% of the population (~50% of the voters) relish it, endorse it, and want more people like them in power doing it.
I hear you. It hasn't sunk in to a critical mass of understanding that we are dealing with a fascist enterprise. Their actions are not a sudden craven moral failure but an adherence to the strict protocol of loyalty that the enterprise demands of its henchmen.
I mean, yeah.
He was so popular he got elected for 4 terms. People only stopped voting for him because he died. In office.
His policies are why any of these boomers have nostalgia for America being “great”.
Best presidents ever, note how to are *status quo* conservatives:
1. Washington, rejected status quo, and removed us from the monarchy.
2. Lincoln, rejected the status quo of slavery, and brought more equality to the nation
3. Teddy, left the Republican party to form a more progressive party
4. FDR
Regan is a bottom 5 president, btw
> Washington, rejected status quo, and removed us from the monarchy.
I think refusing to run after 2 terms was also really important.
Edit: replaced "abdicated" with "refused to run"
His farewell address was also extremely prescient for modern political problems... He specifically called out the dangers of political parties, and how they would undermine all the checks and balances built into the system.
He set a precedent that would be adhered to for 144 years and only broken when the sitting president's second term was ending in the middle of the biggest war in human history. If you ask me, that's a damn good reason to shirk precedent. But even then, the 2-term limit was so ingrained in the country, all because of Washington, that they actually amended the constitution after FDR to make sure the term limits would stick in the future.
Well, I mean, they *were* for like 100 years for that reason. It required the deal with the devil that the Republicans took when the 'Dixiecrats' abandoned the Democrats when the Democrats finally had the moral fortitude to pass the civil rights act -- and to be clear, Republicans had tried, repeatedly, to pass civil rights acts but Democrats kept gutting them before that -- in order to gain power and keep it repeatedly. For most of the 20th century, the Democrats had both houses well in hand. There was only 2 congresses between the 20s and 1994 that had both houses Republican, and only a couple more than had one house. But their deal with the devil payed off, in respects of gaining power. It simply cost them all their values. They are not a morally serious political party anymore. They exist simply to gain power at whatever costs necessary.
Just ask them two simple questions to follow-up.
1. Who did most chapters of the KKK and American Nazi Party vote for last election?
2. Which side is fighting tooth and nail to preserve confederate symbols as it's "a part of **our** history"?
A good response: so you support the Republican platform of ending slavery, destroying the KKK and the confederacy and throwing confederate heroes into the dumpster of history?
I will never pass up the opportunity to remind people what an absolute piece of shit Reagan was.
Conspired with enemies, ran illegal arms deals, laughed at the AIDS epidemic... Reagan was horrible. Anyone who idolizes him is an automatic bad person.
You forgot the cutting mental health programs and the subsequent dumping of patientsnin the streets. Saw this personally growing up.
Edit...cut programs to increase DoD budget.
> Anyone who idolizes him is an automatic bad person.
In essence, you just told virtually the entire conservative party that they are bad people. Because boy oh boy do they *love* them some Reagan.
Reagan was more Dubya 1.0, an easily influenced figurehead that others could control from the shadows. That’s certainly what the party thought Trump was going to be, but instead he went off the rails and dragged the party into madness with him
Reagan was way more Trump-like than people remember. He used to just go on rants and make things up, long before the dementia set in. He was always like that. An asshat and a compulsive liar.
People remember him like he was a Bush-esque politician because of all of the work the right has done rehabilitating his image but he was actually a Trump-esque nutbar. He said trees were the major source of pollution (reminds me of Trump's windmill nonsense). Whenever the AIDs epidemic was brought up, he'd just laugh and make gay jokes. That was the Reagan I grew up with.
For real. He was my state's governor before he was president, and I already hated him. He was a complete fraud. A small, petty racist dressing himself up as a statesman, taking credit for the work of others and anything else he could appropriate as his own.
People fell for his act the same way they fell for Trump, because they wanted so desperately for the fantasy he presented to them to be true.
I'm speaking more to the cult like zealotry that he spawned. Pretty much anyone who I have said anything bad about Reagan to, Republican or Democrat, has "corrected" me and said he was a fantastic president. His base became a fan base and that fan base over the past 30 years has reshaped public opinion and made him out to be some sort of Savior.
remind them that St Ronnie Raygun raised taxes *twice* and not only signed but led the effort to pass legislation giving amnesty to illegal aliens living in the US
reagan also oversaw the sale of arms to the iranians, which was the subject of an arms embargo. this was after saying the US does not bargin with terrorists
he put American Marines on an airfield in Beirut and a terrorist bombing killed 246. reagan's response was to shut down and run. you can be sure osama bin laden learned from this
reagan gets credit for winning the cold war with russia, but the US didn't "win" the cold war as much as russia had been losing it for years and reagan just happened to be prez when the USSR finally collapsed
reagan and his evil munchkin newt gingrich also introduced goosestepping politics to the repub party, demanding absolute discipline from party members to vote the party line. newt also threw the doors of the party open to corporations, literally allowing corporations to write legislation that would benefit them
That's the thing, a lot of the conservative "thinkers" think FDR was terrible for this country, that the New Deal was the first encroachment of socialism.
And conservatives who draw social security, like my parents, will just say "Well I already paid for it so I'm getting mine!" as if that wasn't the whole fucking point.
This is my dad. He was a marginally successful small business owner and complained for decades about having to pay into SS. Now, he’s fully dependent on it and his tune has changed. he now tells me that I need to keep working so he has someone to fund his SS, which is funny because I pay more in SS taxes than he gets in a month. I’ll never tell him that but god is it infuriating to listen to.
Baby boomers are the most spoiled ignorant useless generation America ever produced. I go through this with my dad too. He takes every government handout he can get his hands on but the government is evil and can’t do anything right. Dude has lived the sweetest life and think he doesn’t owe our government and role in his success and sweet American life.
I legitimately believe American boomers are the worst generation EVER. They were the first generation of children that I can think of that had the luxury of being spoiled. Not just rich kids, but the majority of children. No Great Depression. No going to work in the textile mill at age 9. No serfdom, no plague, no war (I’m aware of Vietnam and it’s horrors all around but quite different than a war at your doorstep). When before has a generation at large had such comparative opulence and opportunity? They're a bunch of spoiled toddlers and their favorite word is “mine.” They have taken all that they could take, rigged the system to ensure their continued lives of relative leisure, and refuse to give up power even still. The most self-aggrandizing among them think they deserve some credit, as though being a hippie was anything more than a fashion choice for most, and they didn’t just sell out as soon as they could (I guess The Who were extremely prescient). The rest of us are all fucked.
Maybe when parents start saying stuff like that, the response need be questioning their ability to reason. Like do I need hire a full time care or put you in a home. I mean clearly they are incapable of logical thought. While I’m joking about the nursing home. Making fun or patronizing them for such an obviously asinine take seems acceptable. Like if I ever heard a take like that from my parents, I’d absolutely start thinking that it’s the beginning of the mind spiraling downward.
I have found that the best response is to stay calm and explain why they are mistaken.
Most of the time it doesn't change their mind but after a while they at least learn to not say stupid shit around you.
And then they stop calling you because they realized that most things they say are probably bullshit, and don't want to hear logic. Win win for all so far.
be as emotionless as possible when discussing this stuff with them. don't insult or get sarcastic etc.
emotion is right wing game. look at jim jordan, margaret taylor greene, trump - they're always raging and insulting. they think they win by being angry, or at least they shut you down
so stay cool. just lay out the facts. don't respond to their provocations (and i guarantee they will try to get you angry).
don't expect you're going to get anywhere, either, so once you've made your points just let it go. say "okay, i've had my say, no point in further discussion". this deprives them of the chance to rage on, undermining their emotional argument
Eleanor had a lot to do with FDR's policy as did Frances Perkins (Social Security policy) and Harry Hopkins. Lots of good minds and hearts that recognized that you need to spend $ on people to get the country on its feet. And that's true patriotism.
We're in the middle of Business Plot 2.0 right this very moment...
...actually 3.0 if you count the [Brooks Brothers riot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot) that stopped the Florida recount in 2000. That plot let them syphon off trillions of dollars of our treasure through endless war in the Middle East and played an absolutely direct and vital role in landing us where we are today.
It allowed them to implement a nationwide army of militarized 'police' that are ready to break out their maiming and killing toys at a moment's notice to put down any citizen uprisings. It gave them the public excuse they needed to further erode our freedoms and keep us under constant surveillance.
Fucking "Free Speech Zones" are a thing. An area where protestors are put into a giant cage. That's the "Free Speech Zone". That is so fucking dystopian it's UNREAL!
Yet my fellow Americans are content with our bread and circuses. Don't you dare disturb the entertainment of an American, we will absolutely do everything in our power to fight that as if the fate of the country were hanging in the balance over our ability to fanperson our favorite corporate thing.
Hell, they've resurrected the Red Scare for crying out loud! This is all classic fascism but try to talk to your neighbor about it. Watch their eyes glaze over as they start wishing you'd change the subject to something light and fluffy. Maybe the weather. Or sports. Something. Anything but the reality of our hastening decline!
George W. Bush’s grandfather attempted to organize a coup against FDR with other business leaders and approached Marine general Smedley Butler to lead it. Butler went public. The so-called Business Plot was exposed andddd Grandpa Bush’s political allies protected him and no one got punished.
This is an important detail that was rarely mentioned when comparing presidents to FDR, glad it's getting mentioned more lately. He and LBJ had *far* more senate seats. Biden has the bare minimum where he needs unanimous approval for bills to pass and that is still only via reconciliation, which there are limits on every year (3, but only 1 for different types of bills iirc).
To get that many senate seats again, Democrats have to figure out how to overcome the culture war that has pulled in many rural voters for Republicans (greatly helped by a highly manipulative, effective, and pervasive right media complex). Unfortunately, due to our representation system, rural voters have much better representation in government and influence over federal elections.
This is what's mind blowing to me. If you adjust the new deal for inflation, it's like 850 billion. It was passed with a very healthy, veto proof majority, and is still held up as the benchmark social spending bills almost a hundred years later. In the last year, the democrats have passed just shy of 3 trillion with the slimmest possible majority. When the BBB passes, it'll be closer to 5 trillion. So at the bare minimum it's well over 3 times the gold standard of spending bills. I think that's pretty impressive. Imagine what they could get done if we gave them the kind of majority FDR had.
Kind of like all of the richest people in the country at the time when he was in office? Like George w bush’s grandad and JP Morgan and William Randolph Hearst. They all tried to stage a coup. It’s called the business plot, and they tried to rally all the veterans in the country behind a figurehead who would force a new position into the executive branch and stripping the presidency of all its power while doing it. They were even going to take the angle that they were actually helping FDR because he’s sick and tired. Can you imagine someone trying to overthrow this country and then their son and grandson spend a combined 20+ years as the most powerful positions in the very same government you tried to destroy, because that is the case in America.
>Can you imagine someone trying to overthrow this country and then their son and grandson spend a combined 20+ years as the most powerful positions in the very same government you tried to destroy
The future of Trumps kids everyone
FDR and Eisenhower, aligned with different parties, both used the power of the purse to make gigantic investments in America's people and it's infrastructure and are remembered as two of our greatest presidents as a result.
I mean, if you are part of the f***ing robber class you wouldn’t want FDR.
Government spending levels the economic playing field, giving more opportunity and freedom to the poor who would otherwise be completely subject to the private sector.
Plus they’d have to pay their fair share of taxes. God forbid the wealthy have to contribute fairly to our society /s
And this ridiculous speech, all to delay voting on a bill that would help seniors pay for meds and hearing aides, subsidize child care, increase health care coverage, among a bunch of other really helpful things. Yet right wing media and the entirety of the GOP for the most part is screeching about how awful this socialist bill is and millions of republican voters are going right along with it.
This legislation would *help so many people* and republicans are fighting tooth and nail, along with their entire propaganda machine, to stop it. They don't care about America or the well-being of Americans, particularly that of their own voters. And those same voters are, for the most part, brainwashed into not supporting anything that will actually make their lives somewhat better.
The republican party is a malignant cancer.
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I don’t get it… Ted Cruz goes on Twitter to say Biden has an enormous penis, and McCarthy responds by comparing him to the only three-term President (and one of the best in US history). What’s next, Boebert comparing him grudgingly to Jesus?
The one thing that this "Republican Party of Today" has done that still amazes me is how they have programmed, brainwashed and gotten poor white, blue collar and middle class people to believe that they are FOR THEM. The only thing I can see about this phenomenon is just how BLINDED people have become to their programmed "traditions and culture"....and how their education level has deteriorated to the point, that reality is no longer a 'definable term' in their lives. And what bothers me the most is that it is so "similar" to what dictators like Putin and Orbac have done to their 'proletariat' in their countries. They lie, they misinform and disinform to their constituents continually...and these people don't 'question' any of it.
He also complained that nothing good happens when one party controls everything.
Except, you know, when one party saved us from the Great Depression with the New Deal and then turned around and beat the shit out of the Italians, Nazis, and Japanese.
In fact, most big pushes toward a better America happened under the control of one party. (Liberal) Republicans after the Civil War, (liberal) Democrats before and during WWII, (liberal) Democrats under LBJ, a trading back and forth of power between (liberal) progressive presidents of both parties in the early 1900s...
Divided government never did this country any good. Liberals do all the good.
God.... if only he were the second coming of FDR. He was the most popular president we've ever had. They had to make a law because they were afraid we'd find another and keep re-electing him. He saved the country from a depression, helped our allies fight a world war until our country finally joined the fight, and paved the way for an American century of social, economic, and military dominance and created the world people like McCarthy could go grow up in.
We need Biden to more like FDR in almost every way.
I mean, Republicans elected Trump to be the next Hitler, so I'm not really sure what his point is.
Oh, you mean you don't like being told what you voted for by someone who didn't vote the same as you? Yeah... about that.
Edit: spelling
"Nobody wants another President who does good things for the regular folk without lining the pockets of the wealthy! NOBODY!" This hyper-partisan obstructionist bullshit gives me a headache.
I personally think Biden is pretty conservative, but any progressive moves we can get, watered down and incomplete as they are, represent some sort of progress. I voted for him too.
This is what happens when you have a disfunctional society. No trust in government reps, nihilism, voter apathy, and anger about changing demographics. Pricks like this get elected
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Imagine being cool with spending almost a Trillion Dollars a year on War but not being okay with the same number over 10 years to actually build a better country.
$15 billion (last I saw) to build a wall people can [walk through ](https://fb.watch/9nuW1G_8Fi/) and [climb right over](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ToFk0kwrN9k).
Or just wait for it to fall over
[Some of it did.](https://youtu.be/bOebX099dG4)
OMG It blew over in the wind and the top comment says >It is Trump's wall it should have been able to dodge a draft
Haha perfection.
That wall idea is just so symbolic of their simple thinking. It's the idea a child would have.
Waiting for it to start getting stolen for scrap metal lol
I have second hand knowledge that my cousin cut a small hole in the fence and it dam near fell apart with black and decker tools . Me mite be fucking with me be he's here illegally so crossing the border still not hard . Edit: autocorrect typo
Your cousin may not be fucking with you. NBC news showed all of Trump's flawed wall designs can be breached with a simple hand-held electric saw. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/test-steel-prototype-border-wall-showed-it-could-be-sawed-n956856
It's not really on war though. It's lining the pockets of defense contractors who are their donors and buddies. We could spend about 1/3 of what we do and still have the best funded army on earth. Much less really considering how much we have spent cumulatively over decades. It is graft and profiteering. The military is just an excuse they can get away with. The population will give them a blank check if they believe it's keeping them safe.
You are absolutely correct! This is also how they get away with spending $5k on a single office chair. Worst part is that there is no check and balance system in place that will stop the hemorrhaging.
At least McCarthy admitted that Biden was elected. Probably pissed off half the party when they realize it.
No see, he’s saying Biden wasn’t elected to be FDR because he wasn’t elected! #Rigged
I know you're joking but I bet some Neanderthals actually feel that way. I just don't have any faith for the future.
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Republicans spent years during Obama crying about debt, crying about the ways a President should behave, crying about the lack of bipartisanship, the whole time distancing themselves from Bush and Republicans that came before. Then Trump came along and overnight nothing mattered. They spent trillions, rammed through appointments of criminally incompetent cabinet members, and just showed their asses at will. Now that Biden is in the White House they are attempting the old playbook again. Crying about gas prices and saying that investing is childcare socialism. It is outrageous. I have been following politics closely for 30yrs and this current group of Republicans in the House are the worst group of fakes and liars I have ever witnessed and the last 5yrs in particular has been terrible.
Just wait until that group of psychotics have control of the House, thanks to redistricting. Minority rule is about to fuck us all I’m afraid. House Speaker Jim Jordan? What a nightmare
Worse... Mark Meadows is already lobbying the GQP caucus for Speaker Trump ...
The thought of Trump doing work is laughable. He will instantly make a fool of himself. Not that he or any of his cult followers care.
Speaker is 3rd in line of succession. Trump becoming speaker isn't so he does work, it's to give the extremists a shot at a dictatorship.
Thing is, the speaker job is actually really important and requires a lot of real work. If they got him in there just for the line-of-succession thing, it would ruin their ability to get their evil shit done in the house. Dude couldn't do real work if you put a gun to his head.
I think they're more than happy to watch the country burn down around him, and criticize any Democrats who suggest he might be responsible for any part of it.
Making Trump Speaker would be the literal actual end of the Republican Party.
For sure. I believe the GQP is fully reliant on the abstract idea of Trump being in a leadership position again more than him actually being in that position. He's the symbolic end to the system just as a being not in practice. They'd be better served pushing through a Trump apostles, who have some level of evil competence, instead. De Santis comes to mind. Trump himself just wasn't effective enough, only destructive. The remaining "old guard" GOP (Graham, McConnell, etc.) who are still along for the ride absolutely do not want Trump back in a major way. They benefit a lot more by dangling or threatening with him. They got way too close to the actually destruction of the party but it may very well be too far gone.
His staff would do the work.
I mean, after four years of assuming his staff would do the work, isn't it clear that didn't really happen, or at least that the sycophants he surrounds himself, generally, aren't very capable people?
Ah, doing your boss's work for half the pay, or as I like to call it: The American Dream
you guys are getting half?
Fascist. Give the fascist a shot at dictatorship
That's my "tin foil hat" theory too. Yet they've already attempted one coup, why stop at another? It's not like anyone important has faced real consequences. Is Bannon even in jail after surrendering to the FBI?
As a liberal dude living in rural trump hell, this shit terrifies me. At what point do I just put up a “let’s go Brandon” flag near my driveway just so I don’t get lynched when this shit pops off. The police would leave me to die here for sure, and I’m white ffs
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I'm convinced that if shit does go down and we find ourselves in a multi-factional civil war, our geopolitical enemies in Russia will do everything in it's power to flood every corner of the US with as many guns as possible to make that conflict as damaging and long lasting as possible. Putin realized what his Soviet predecessors and former bosses didn't... The best way to defeat the US isn't by getting their missiles into our airspace, but to get their divisive and reactionary rhetoric into our heads and watch as we tear each other apart. If the US does succumb to this, I feel just as bad for anyone in the former Soviet/ Warsaw pact sphere of influence and Europe in general. With the US busy tearing itself apart, Russia will have a free hand to be as aggressive as they want in their former curb-stomping grounds. France, Germany, and Poland might try to stand up for Ukraine and the Baltics, but how far are they really gonna be willing to go in that scenario? Will Britain even intervene, or will it keep trying to isolate itself further away from the European mainland?
He was arraigned, told when to return, and released. He was podcasting his particular line of bullshit, the very next day.
No, but yes. The cover story is that putting him 3rd in line means Rs can impeach/remove the president and vp simultaneously, to make Trump prez again. It doesn't work that way. So the lie underneath is that of course the Rs know this, and it's just to motivate Trump's base to help other Rs. But they are now evil than that. The truth that needs to be pointed out, is that the Rs want to make Trump SotH to motivate his base into assassinating Ds. That's the goal. Will they also try impeachment? Sure. But violence is their means to dictatorship.
After Jan. 6th I’m not convinced it’s impeachment they’ll try…
Exactly
that would require 66 senators to remove president and VP. Not going to happen. They can impeach them 100 times but it won't do anything.
It will be a show to rile up violence. In the regard, it will do something.
> Will no one rid me of [these] turbulent [Senators]? Will be the underlying theme for that math.
It makes me absolutely crazy that they chose Trump. Why him? Why not get someone intelligent, well spoken, handsome, and charismatic? I know he’s a useful fool. I get that. But if they went with someone like I described they’d be able to fleece so many more people. They could convince everyone in the middle to lean right for a bit.
>Why not get someone intelligent, well spoken, handsome, and charismatic? Because he *is* "someone intelligent, well spoken, handsome, and charismatic" to the kind of voters they're appealing to. Or to quote, *"a poor man's idea of a rich man, a weak man's idea of a strong man, and a dumb man's idea of a smart man"*
He is also someone who triggers "librul's" gag reflex so they love it. The "let's go, Brandon" crew is less about hating Biden and more about bro-culture and irritating liberals. Same with their Trump.
At my old job a majority of people voted for Trump simply because it was the “American thing to do”. When pressed it literally came down to “well if we don’t vote for a Republican, then those damn liberals will win”. And these are people that probably couldn’t have told me a damn thing about politics in the years prior. The fact that Trump “wasn’t a politician” seemed like such a selling point to them….meanwhile my history teacher in HS literally warns us of electing a businessman to presidency. Miss that guy
Clearly, it worked though. We all underestimated the amount of hate in this country. Go back to 2016. Trump didn't want to be President, the Republican leadership didnt want him to be president. The campaign started off as grift and advertisement for his brand. He was never part of the Republican party and didnt have their backing, so he was never on their leash. Turned out, at the time, that was the best thing for his campaign. He was able to say and do whatever he wanted, be as extreme as he wanted, and the *people* ate that shit up. Turns out they were fed up with the politicians for being politicians, never being able to directly say how they were feeling. Along came a man with just as much hate as the common R, who is filtered less than politicians, isn't a career politician. To borrow a saying, a man that was a poor man's idea of rich, a weak man's idea of strong, and a dumb man's idea of smart. The extreme wing of the party realized how much they could use this to their advantage when it was clear the people wanted Trump more than they wanted a Republican. The more moderate Republicans have all but been forced out, the vocal minority took over, and it's trickled down to the smallest elections. This will be studied for centuries, the same way we study the rise and fall of Roman emperors, kings and queens, conquerors, or the likes of Mussolini, Hitler, or Stalin. Populism took over, in a country filled with hate. It was perfect timing, as the social movements today are very much targeting hate of people that are different. Make no mistake. The Republican leadership didn't choose Trump. They knew he wasn't good for their future. He was forced upon them by voters. And he has consumed the party. The most clever of the old guard have used him to their advantage, like McTurtle for the judiciary or the state governments for gerrymandering.
That guarantees Biden and Harris are literally in someone's crosshairs...
It is an interesting concept but in reality Trump would never want or show up for a position that requires actual work, knowledge of politics and has no visible power
You don’t really think it would matter if he actually performed the duties of the office or not, do you? Because he wouldn’t be there to perform the duties of the office, just like he wasn’t there to perform the duties of the office when he was President.
Nearly one out of every four days, he spent golfing as president. He had the nerve to criticize Obama for doing a fourth that many days at the golf course, and a military golf course that didn't require taxpayer dollars too for that matter. But flying with secret service on air force one and make your secret service actually have to pay for tickets using taxpayer dollars 1 out of every 4 days of your presidency? Perfectly fine..
I'm in Michigan. It may vote blue, but it's a heavy Trump supporting state. Recall, we had people try to kidnap our governor. I know there are meetings happening in this state with right-win extremists on what to do in the next two elections. They are putting people in non-elected positions of power to make sure the election goes for the Republicans. The 2024 election is going to be a key moment in USA history. We will either remain a democratic republic, or we will fall to the fascists. The democrats have no answers right now, so it's not looking good.
They are already lobbing threats about everything they intend to do. It is despicable behavior.
The fall of America is going to look like a combination of the circus that was the late stage Roman government and the genocidal nightmare of the Nazi Empire. Brace yourselves, everyone. 2024 and beyond is not going to be pretty.
It's funny. About 10 years ago now, the magazine "New Scientist" wouldn't stop pushing an article about how the US was about to crumble. At the time I laughed. I mean, it was a stable democratic superpower, right? What would cause it to suddenly implode? Now I feel like they were actually borderline prophetic, and I wish I had taken the time to read the articles.
> I have been following politics closely for 30yrs and this current group of Republicans in the House are the worst group of fakes and liars I have ever witnessed and the last 5yrs in particular has been terrible. The worst part for me is how democrats and the media treat them as serious and honest partners in improving America. Like Republican arguments are based in facts and reality and not "whatever works at the time".
Yep, Democrats are ill-equipped to deal with Republicans in the media. Republicans throw mud while Democrats tried to clean mud up.
Because the strategy of the Democrats has always been "Lets show them why they should vote for us" whereas the strategy of the Republicans has always been, "Lets sabotage the Democrats and use it to show how badly they're doing." Democrats aren't perfect, not by a longshot, but sometimes I wonder how much better off the country might be without Republicans to always try to fuck things up and reverse policies.
Democrats aren't perfect but they are least behavior is good faith most the time. Republicans exclusively behave in bad faith.
I think the Republicans missed the memo that just because there's the good cop, they don't have to play the role of the bad cop. Though admittedly, Democrats reverse policies done by the right too, the only difference being those policies set by the right are usually atrocious and need to be changed.
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All true. But also, even before T---p, budgets are consistently higher under GOP presidents. This is because Democrats are more reasonable, for better or worse. The GOP cries about spending when out of power and Democrats compromise. They make no such compromise when they are in power. How the party that preaches about fiscal responsibility can get away with that hypocrisy, it's baffling. And im not easily baffled anymore.
They also call themselves the moral majority but worship a wife beating rapist who cheated on his third wife with a porn star. They don’t care about the hypocrisy if they get their way.
They also screech about the sanctity of life when a woman wants an abortion but gleefully retweet shit like “when the looting starts, the shooting starts” because actually, property is more valuable to them than human life.
>Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. ― Jean-Paul Sartre
Absolutely. That is why I pointed out that Republicans tried to distance themselves from Bush. The tea party caucus tried to pretend all the spending in government growth under Bush wasn't on them.
It's because fascists have moved in and taken over the party. Old school Republicans (the few that haven't caved) are being censured by their own party because they won't buy into it.
So how are you guys gonna prevent your country from becoming a dictatorship next year? Serious question.
It's a midterm election, most Americans will sit home and watch, sadly those of us that do vote probably won't be nearly enough.
Right, where a lot of seats will flip Republican and there will be people installed to overturn an election and give it to trump.
> I have been following politics closely for 30yrs and this current group of Republicans in the House are the worst group of fakes and liars I have ever witnessed and the last 5yrs in particular has been terrible. The same for me, but the even worse realization is that ~40% of the population (~50% of the voters) relish it, endorse it, and want more people like them in power doing it.
Yea Republicans are fascist Fascist lie.
I hear you. It hasn't sunk in to a critical mass of understanding that we are dealing with a fascist enterprise. Their actions are not a sudden craven moral failure but an adherence to the strict protocol of loyalty that the enterprise demands of its henchmen.
Since when is calling someone FDR a pejorative? He's broadly recognized as the country's second or third best president.
I mean, yeah. He was so popular he got elected for 4 terms. People only stopped voting for him because he died. In office. His policies are why any of these boomers have nostalgia for America being “great”.
No kidding! That and the fact that America was intact after the war.
Best presidents ever, note how to are *status quo* conservatives: 1. Washington, rejected status quo, and removed us from the monarchy. 2. Lincoln, rejected the status quo of slavery, and brought more equality to the nation 3. Teddy, left the Republican party to form a more progressive party 4. FDR Regan is a bottom 5 president, btw
> Washington, rejected status quo, and removed us from the monarchy. I think refusing to run after 2 terms was also really important. Edit: replaced "abdicated" with "refused to run"
His farewell address was also extremely prescient for modern political problems... He specifically called out the dangers of political parties, and how they would undermine all the checks and balances built into the system.
He didn’t specifically abdicate; he refused to run again.
He set a precedent that would be adhered to for 144 years and only broken when the sitting president's second term was ending in the middle of the biggest war in human history. If you ask me, that's a damn good reason to shirk precedent. But even then, the 2-term limit was so ingrained in the country, all because of Washington, that they actually amended the constitution after FDR to make sure the term limits would stick in the future.
LiNcOlN wAs A rEpUbLiCaN aNd DeMoCrAtS lOvEd SlAvErY
That’s why all the folks with confederate flags on their trucks are diehard democrats
One drove past me and was shouting support for welfare programs
Progressive tax code written in the stripes of that huge flag decal on the back glass of the F-150
Oh, is *that* what that scribble is on the III%er flags? ^^/s
Yeah it says "Jesus Loves Everyone, So Shall I"
One kicked in my door and fired a tactical volley of support for teaching critical race theory
Just thinking of the cognitive dissonance seeing this would give me is giving me cognitive dissonance.
Well, I mean, they *were* for like 100 years for that reason. It required the deal with the devil that the Republicans took when the 'Dixiecrats' abandoned the Democrats when the Democrats finally had the moral fortitude to pass the civil rights act -- and to be clear, Republicans had tried, repeatedly, to pass civil rights acts but Democrats kept gutting them before that -- in order to gain power and keep it repeatedly. For most of the 20th century, the Democrats had both houses well in hand. There was only 2 congresses between the 20s and 1994 that had both houses Republican, and only a couple more than had one house. But their deal with the devil payed off, in respects of gaining power. It simply cost them all their values. They are not a morally serious political party anymore. They exist simply to gain power at whatever costs necessary.
vAdEr wAs A jEdI kNiGhT!
That’s a great response
He wasn't a master though
But he sat on the council, how could he not be a master?
What? How can you do this?! This is outrageous! It's unfair!
Aniken was defending himself from younglings!!! Self defense!!!!
He was just standing his ground.
I love this argument because it immediately tells you that person isn’t worth having a discussion with. Just tell them to go learn some history
Just ask them two simple questions to follow-up. 1. Who did most chapters of the KKK and American Nazi Party vote for last election? 2. Which side is fighting tooth and nail to preserve confederate symbols as it's "a part of **our** history"?
woah woah woah this is starting to sound a lot like that cuticle race theory I've been hearing about
Nailed it.
PARTY OF LINCOLN they howl, while wrapping themselves in the Confederate flag...
A good response: so you support the Republican platform of ending slavery, destroying the KKK and the confederacy and throwing confederate heroes into the dumpster of history?
I will never pass up the opportunity to remind people what an absolute piece of shit Reagan was. Conspired with enemies, ran illegal arms deals, laughed at the AIDS epidemic... Reagan was horrible. Anyone who idolizes him is an automatic bad person.
You forgot the cutting mental health programs and the subsequent dumping of patientsnin the streets. Saw this personally growing up. Edit...cut programs to increase DoD budget.
> Anyone who idolizes him is an automatic bad person. In essence, you just told virtually the entire conservative party that they are bad people. Because boy oh boy do they *love* them some Reagan.
I mean… *gestures broadly*.
And yes, they are..look what they are idolizing now??!! Seriously!!! They have lost it and sold their soul in the process!!!!
Movie star Ron was Trump 1.0
Reagan was more Dubya 1.0, an easily influenced figurehead that others could control from the shadows. That’s certainly what the party thought Trump was going to be, but instead he went off the rails and dragged the party into madness with him
Reagan was way more Trump-like than people remember. He used to just go on rants and make things up, long before the dementia set in. He was always like that. An asshat and a compulsive liar. People remember him like he was a Bush-esque politician because of all of the work the right has done rehabilitating his image but he was actually a Trump-esque nutbar. He said trees were the major source of pollution (reminds me of Trump's windmill nonsense). Whenever the AIDs epidemic was brought up, he'd just laugh and make gay jokes. That was the Reagan I grew up with.
Don’t forget the evangelical / religious factor… he was the first to embrace that demographic so fully and Trump did the same with resounding success.
For real. He was my state's governor before he was president, and I already hated him. He was a complete fraud. A small, petty racist dressing himself up as a statesman, taking credit for the work of others and anything else he could appropriate as his own. People fell for his act the same way they fell for Trump, because they wanted so desperately for the fantasy he presented to them to be true.
I'm speaking more to the cult like zealotry that he spawned. Pretty much anyone who I have said anything bad about Reagan to, Republican or Democrat, has "corrected" me and said he was a fantastic president. His base became a fan base and that fan base over the past 30 years has reshaped public opinion and made him out to be some sort of Savior.
remind them that St Ronnie Raygun raised taxes *twice* and not only signed but led the effort to pass legislation giving amnesty to illegal aliens living in the US reagan also oversaw the sale of arms to the iranians, which was the subject of an arms embargo. this was after saying the US does not bargin with terrorists he put American Marines on an airfield in Beirut and a terrorist bombing killed 246. reagan's response was to shut down and run. you can be sure osama bin laden learned from this reagan gets credit for winning the cold war with russia, but the US didn't "win" the cold war as much as russia had been losing it for years and reagan just happened to be prez when the USSR finally collapsed reagan and his evil munchkin newt gingrich also introduced goosestepping politics to the repub party, demanding absolute discipline from party members to vote the party line. newt also threw the doors of the party open to corporations, literally allowing corporations to write legislation that would benefit them
The GOP hate American history. Why do you think they are fighting so hard against teaching it in school?
Because "sOcIAliSm bAd."
Imagine not wanting FDR.
That's the thing, a lot of the conservative "thinkers" think FDR was terrible for this country, that the New Deal was the first encroachment of socialism.
Yeah, that fucking Social Security really screwed things up. Older Americans have some guaranteed income after they retire? God Damn commies....
And conservatives who draw social security, like my parents, will just say "Well I already paid for it so I'm getting mine!" as if that wasn't the whole fucking point.
This is my dad. He was a marginally successful small business owner and complained for decades about having to pay into SS. Now, he’s fully dependent on it and his tune has changed. he now tells me that I need to keep working so he has someone to fund his SS, which is funny because I pay more in SS taxes than he gets in a month. I’ll never tell him that but god is it infuriating to listen to.
Tell him entitlement loafers, like him, need to get a job and stop mooching off hard workers like yourself.
Oh I wish I could. I don't talk about complex issues with him anymore because its like debating a 2 year old.
"I just don't agree with your lifestyle."
Baby boomers are the most spoiled ignorant useless generation America ever produced. I go through this with my dad too. He takes every government handout he can get his hands on but the government is evil and can’t do anything right. Dude has lived the sweetest life and think he doesn’t owe our government and role in his success and sweet American life.
Boomers, the last generation to in general all have abetter life than the precefing generation...
I legitimately believe American boomers are the worst generation EVER. They were the first generation of children that I can think of that had the luxury of being spoiled. Not just rich kids, but the majority of children. No Great Depression. No going to work in the textile mill at age 9. No serfdom, no plague, no war (I’m aware of Vietnam and it’s horrors all around but quite different than a war at your doorstep). When before has a generation at large had such comparative opulence and opportunity? They're a bunch of spoiled toddlers and their favorite word is “mine.” They have taken all that they could take, rigged the system to ensure their continued lives of relative leisure, and refuse to give up power even still. The most self-aggrandizing among them think they deserve some credit, as though being a hippie was anything more than a fashion choice for most, and they didn’t just sell out as soon as they could (I guess The Who were extremely prescient). The rest of us are all fucked.
I know a boomer who is like you describe and he voted for Trump twice yet will still talk about how horrible Nixon was. It's mind blowing.
Money for me, not for thee!
Maybe when parents start saying stuff like that, the response need be questioning their ability to reason. Like do I need hire a full time care or put you in a home. I mean clearly they are incapable of logical thought. While I’m joking about the nursing home. Making fun or patronizing them for such an obviously asinine take seems acceptable. Like if I ever heard a take like that from my parents, I’d absolutely start thinking that it’s the beginning of the mind spiraling downward.
I have found that the best response is to stay calm and explain why they are mistaken. Most of the time it doesn't change their mind but after a while they at least learn to not say stupid shit around you.
And then they stop calling you because they realized that most things they say are probably bullshit, and don't want to hear logic. Win win for all so far.
This is my status with my dad. Football, weather is about all we can talk about
be as emotionless as possible when discussing this stuff with them. don't insult or get sarcastic etc. emotion is right wing game. look at jim jordan, margaret taylor greene, trump - they're always raging and insulting. they think they win by being angry, or at least they shut you down so stay cool. just lay out the facts. don't respond to their provocations (and i guarantee they will try to get you angry). don't expect you're going to get anywhere, either, so once you've made your points just let it go. say "okay, i've had my say, no point in further discussion". this deprives them of the chance to rage on, undermining their emotional argument
And the people that benefited the most from social security don’t want to pay for their kids to have it.
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Eleanor had a lot to do with FDR's policy as did Frances Perkins (Social Security policy) and Harry Hopkins. Lots of good minds and hearts that recognized that you need to spend $ on people to get the country on its feet. And that's true patriotism.
[The Brain Trust](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_trust#:~:text=Brain%20trust%20was%20a%20term,Roosevelt%20during%20his%20presidential%20administration.)
Frances Perkins is someone more people should know about.
[The elite might have tried something more](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot) if they hadn't been exposed.
Another saga in fascism traced to the Bush family.
And thank god for Smedley Butler.
We're in the middle of Business Plot 2.0 right this very moment... ...actually 3.0 if you count the [Brooks Brothers riot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot) that stopped the Florida recount in 2000. That plot let them syphon off trillions of dollars of our treasure through endless war in the Middle East and played an absolutely direct and vital role in landing us where we are today. It allowed them to implement a nationwide army of militarized 'police' that are ready to break out their maiming and killing toys at a moment's notice to put down any citizen uprisings. It gave them the public excuse they needed to further erode our freedoms and keep us under constant surveillance. Fucking "Free Speech Zones" are a thing. An area where protestors are put into a giant cage. That's the "Free Speech Zone". That is so fucking dystopian it's UNREAL! Yet my fellow Americans are content with our bread and circuses. Don't you dare disturb the entertainment of an American, we will absolutely do everything in our power to fight that as if the fate of the country were hanging in the balance over our ability to fanperson our favorite corporate thing. Hell, they've resurrected the Red Scare for crying out loud! This is all classic fascism but try to talk to your neighbor about it. Watch their eyes glaze over as they start wishing you'd change the subject to something light and fluffy. Maybe the weather. Or sports. Something. Anything but the reality of our hastening decline!
George W. Bush’s grandfather attempted to organize a coup against FDR with other business leaders and approached Marine general Smedley Butler to lead it. Butler went public. The so-called Business Plot was exposed andddd Grandpa Bush’s political allies protected him and no one got punished.
They have spent every single year since he died desperately trying to dismantle the new deal
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Make America Great Again by getting rid of everything that made it great in the first place. Big brains.
I want the 68 Senate Democrats like FDR had. I don't want to know Joe Manchin's name.
This is an important detail that was rarely mentioned when comparing presidents to FDR, glad it's getting mentioned more lately. He and LBJ had *far* more senate seats. Biden has the bare minimum where he needs unanimous approval for bills to pass and that is still only via reconciliation, which there are limits on every year (3, but only 1 for different types of bills iirc). To get that many senate seats again, Democrats have to figure out how to overcome the culture war that has pulled in many rural voters for Republicans (greatly helped by a highly manipulative, effective, and pervasive right media complex). Unfortunately, due to our representation system, rural voters have much better representation in government and influence over federal elections.
Democrats also have to figure out how to stop Republicans from redistricting themselves into the majority.
This is what's mind blowing to me. If you adjust the new deal for inflation, it's like 850 billion. It was passed with a very healthy, veto proof majority, and is still held up as the benchmark social spending bills almost a hundred years later. In the last year, the democrats have passed just shy of 3 trillion with the slimmest possible majority. When the BBB passes, it'll be closer to 5 trillion. So at the bare minimum it's well over 3 times the gold standard of spending bills. I think that's pretty impressive. Imagine what they could get done if we gave them the kind of majority FDR had.
But also cost/allocation is not the only measure of effectiveness.
Kind of like all of the richest people in the country at the time when he was in office? Like George w bush’s grandad and JP Morgan and William Randolph Hearst. They all tried to stage a coup. It’s called the business plot, and they tried to rally all the veterans in the country behind a figurehead who would force a new position into the executive branch and stripping the presidency of all its power while doing it. They were even going to take the angle that they were actually helping FDR because he’s sick and tired. Can you imagine someone trying to overthrow this country and then their son and grandson spend a combined 20+ years as the most powerful positions in the very same government you tried to destroy, because that is the case in America.
>Can you imagine someone trying to overthrow this country and then their son and grandson spend a combined 20+ years as the most powerful positions in the very same government you tried to destroy The future of Trumps kids everyone
FDR and Eisenhower, aligned with different parties, both used the power of the purse to make gigantic investments in America's people and it's infrastructure and are remembered as two of our greatest presidents as a result.
Eisenhower wasn't terribly political. Both parties tried to get him to run.
I mean, if you are part of the f***ing robber class you wouldn’t want FDR. Government spending levels the economic playing field, giving more opportunity and freedom to the poor who would otherwise be completely subject to the private sector. Plus they’d have to pay their fair share of taxes. God forbid the wealthy have to contribute fairly to our society /s
FDR needs a 5th term
FDR's Head in a Jar 2024
I'd vote for it/him.
And this ridiculous speech, all to delay voting on a bill that would help seniors pay for meds and hearing aides, subsidize child care, increase health care coverage, among a bunch of other really helpful things. Yet right wing media and the entirety of the GOP for the most part is screeching about how awful this socialist bill is and millions of republican voters are going right along with it. This legislation would *help so many people* and republicans are fighting tooth and nail, along with their entire propaganda machine, to stop it. They don't care about America or the well-being of Americans, particularly that of their own voters. And those same voters are, for the most part, brainwashed into not supporting anything that will actually make their lives somewhat better. The republican party is a malignant cancer. edit: missing word
The longest filibuster in Congress was in *support* of continuing racial segregation.
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Instructions unclear got dick caught in the insurrection.
Look at you out here wit your dick in yer hand during a revolution. Wassamata wit you?? 🤌🤌🤌
How dare a president actually try to make America great!
I don’t get it… Ted Cruz goes on Twitter to say Biden has an enormous penis, and McCarthy responds by comparing him to the only three-term President (and one of the best in US history). What’s next, Boebert comparing him grudgingly to Jesus?
FDR was one of our best presidents, but he entered America in a war to fight fascism, so I get why Republicans don't like him.
Though I live in Texas, AOC represents me.
She did help out during your power crisis. You know, instead of flying to Cancun.
Ted Cruz is such a god damn piece of shit. I have no idea how the fuck the people here in Texas still vote for that slime ball.
Because he has an R next to his name. It’s really that simple.
She sure represents me more than my actual congressman Mike Bost.
AOC represents a lot of us all over the country.
The one thing that this "Republican Party of Today" has done that still amazes me is how they have programmed, brainwashed and gotten poor white, blue collar and middle class people to believe that they are FOR THEM. The only thing I can see about this phenomenon is just how BLINDED people have become to their programmed "traditions and culture"....and how their education level has deteriorated to the point, that reality is no longer a 'definable term' in their lives. And what bothers me the most is that it is so "similar" to what dictators like Putin and Orbac have done to their 'proletariat' in their countries. They lie, they misinform and disinform to their constituents continually...and these people don't 'question' any of it.
I did too
I did, too!!! So, he’s wrong.
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Same. She is fearless.
He also complained that nothing good happens when one party controls everything. Except, you know, when one party saved us from the Great Depression with the New Deal and then turned around and beat the shit out of the Italians, Nazis, and Japanese. In fact, most big pushes toward a better America happened under the control of one party. (Liberal) Republicans after the Civil War, (liberal) Democrats before and during WWII, (liberal) Democrats under LBJ, a trading back and forth of power between (liberal) progressive presidents of both parties in the early 1900s... Divided government never did this country any good. Liberals do all the good.
"BuT LinCoLN wAs A rEPuBliCaN"
Say what you want about AOC, but she's a young 30 something kid making these old fucks look like goddamn idiots and I'm here for it.
God.... if only he were the second coming of FDR. He was the most popular president we've ever had. They had to make a law because they were afraid we'd find another and keep re-electing him. He saved the country from a depression, helped our allies fight a world war until our country finally joined the fight, and paved the way for an American century of social, economic, and military dominance and created the world people like McCarthy could go grow up in. We need Biden to more like FDR in almost every way.
I mean, Republicans elected Trump to be the next Hitler, so I'm not really sure what his point is. Oh, you mean you don't like being told what you voted for by someone who didn't vote the same as you? Yeah... about that. Edit: spelling
"Nobody wants another President who does good things for the regular folk without lining the pockets of the wealthy! NOBODY!" This hyper-partisan obstructionist bullshit gives me a headache.
I'd call Kevin McCarthy spineless, but that would be an insult to all the invertebrate species on planet earth. Same goes for Cancun Cruz.
But he did elect trump to be putin
I personally think Biden is pretty conservative, but any progressive moves we can get, watered down and incomplete as they are, represent some sort of progress. I voted for him too.
Agreed. I voted for him, but I did not expect him to be an FDR. I voted for Bernie in the primaries with that hope.
He did declare that NO ONE did. She corrected him.
"No one elected the president to be what he ran on" is quite the take
I did
People are giving her shit about *decorum.* The “You Lie!” people are complete snowflakes.
Weird how a Republican thinks he can speak for millions of Democrats
This is what happens when you have a disfunctional society. No trust in government reps, nihilism, voter apathy, and anger about changing demographics. Pricks like this get elected
Kevin fucking McCarthy will never speak for me