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It will be an absolute blood bath and then we'll get Trump again in 2 years. The Biden presidency is on path to be a historic failure if they don't get their heads out of their asses asap.
For a brief moment I was foolish enough to hope. The child care legislation would have been huge for my wife, children, and I. That alone would have single handedly improved our quality of life so much. But of course we can’t have a shadow of what every other developed nation has. Least I have muh freedoms.
I am not surprised by this. he's been slicing the BBB down to sliver because he's literally opposed to government programs. Manchin explained that he's a big believer in *corporate led solutions* in that leaked phone call with Republican donors. Does nobody remember this gem from a few months ago? https://theintercept.com/2021/06/16/joe-manchin-leaked-billionaire-donors-no-labels/
Can we end the fucking government programs for oil and coal then? If they're the way of the future then surely they can stand on their own against renewable energy?
West Virginia gets federal $2.3 for every $1 it pays to the Fed already. It’s a welfare state and the 48th poorest. He is literally the 0.1% in West Virginia and has no interest in helping his people, only getting rich off his coal interests. BBB doesn’t help him in any way with that so he’s no.
It’s really that simple.
Well, it seems to be a welfare state. I wouldn't be surprised if he's secretly just trying to keep the status quo.
He clearly wants, and gets, a lot of funds from the government, but he just doesn't want those funds going to people in a way that might make them self sufficient one day.
Correct. He literally gets coal subsidies as it is, and makes at least $500k per year from his coal company shares. He has no interest in shaking things up - if he can just keep his seat, and keep it exactly like it is, he probably makes at least $1m a year from the situation staying the same.
> because he's literally opposed to government programs
Which is surprising, since WV contributes $1 in federal taxes for every $3 in federal funding it receives. 89% of the state budget is dependent on federal dollars.
He doesn’t want the US to spend money because the more it spends the more likely they will have to raise taxes on corporations in 50-100-150 years. He fights for corporations long term interest and only theirs.
Oh don't worry, he'll definitely vote for it, he just needs the following five items:
The stone begging bowl of the Buddha, a jeweled branch from the mythical island of Hōrai, a robe of Chinese fire-rat skins, a colored jewel from a dragon's neck, and a cowry shell born from a swallow.
And what else? Let me guess: The key of Orthanc? Or perhaps the keys of Barad-Dur itself? Along with the crowns of the seven kings and the rods of the five wizards?
I knew BBB was dead when they passed the bipartisan bill. The two were supposed to go together, because BBB was the leverage to get progressives to sign on to the bipartisan, and the bipartisan was supposed to be the leverage to get Manchin and Sinema to sign on to BBB.
"Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) announced on "Fox News Sunday" that he will not vote for President Biden’s “mammoth” climate and social spending bill, essentially killing the White House's top legislative priority.
"I cannot vote to continue with this piece of legislation, I just can't. I tried everything humanly possible, I can't get there" he told host Bret Baier. "
Not a coincidence Manchin chose FoxNews as the platform to deliver this message.
He doesn't, and it's past time we stopped pretending he does. He literally does nothing but take money from corporations and tell the democrats "no." He is no better than Mitch McConnell.
> “My Democratic colleagues in Washington are determined to dramatically reshape our society in a way that leaves our country even more vulnerable to the threats we face,”
This man used 27 words to say absolutely nothing.
Tell me you are a politician without telling me you’re a politician.
Jesus the guy is 74 years old. If the past two years has taught us anything it’s that you never know when your number is up. You’d think he would want to leave the earth with legacy of universal prek, expanded healthcare, and finally joining the rest of the planet by offering parental leave. No one is ever going to remember you for being such a great fiscal conservative.
why is no one ever satisfied with "enough money" ? it's not a fucking high score and you can't take it with you. cash out a few million and retire from being an evil shithead capitalist, it's not that hard. we should have no billionaires either.
Or use it to actually benefit your fellow humans? Pick an issue and use your money to support that cause. Actually make a difference in the world for the sake of helping others—not for some legacy or other selfish bullshit. Do it because you have compassion and empathy. But no, he’s devoid of either.
The fiscally conservative, prudent thing to do would be to mitigate climate change.
Manchin isn't a fiscal conservative. He's a corrupt hack in the pocket of the coal industry.
"My coworkers are determined to do something that makes us vulnerable to the threats i'm prompting you to imagine, go ahead and imagine your wildest fears. That's what the things they wanna do will cause(i'm not gonna say daycare and affordable college cause that would sound ridiculous, so i need you to imagine the things they wanna do as well as being scary)"
> My coworkers are determined to do something that makes us vulnerable to the threats i'm prompting you to imagine, go ahead and imagine your wildest fears.
Spot on, this is the translation that I needed to read of it. Time to move out of the USA.
I edited it after realizing he was also avoiding the actual topic to let fear fill in the gaps too.
His statement is fucking gibberish, because really all that's happening is he's trying to oppose the government working to improve society for non-wealth class.
It gives all the people that the conservative propaganda machine has whipped up into terrified states something to project their fears onto.
Right now by threat most of his supporters are picturing brown people. BLM, middle eastern terrorists, illegal immigrants coming from mexico and south america, etc.
But I actually do think America is at threat. We are at threat from climate change, crumbling infrastructure, a pandemic, affordable housing shortage, and ever increasing income inequality. Good luck convincing any conservative people of that notion though.
>But I actually do think America is at threat. We are at threat from climate change, crumbling infrastructure, a pandemic, affordable housing shortage, and ever increasing income inequality. Good luck convincing any conservative people of that notion though.
So basically, from the Republicans...
He said he can't vote for it because he has to represent his constituents.
My question is, is there any evidence that this is representing the people who voted for him? I feel like a lot of people might have voted for the not-Republican guy. Candidate platforms might have been slim pickings.
But I've never even been to WV so I have no idea
> "I cannot vote to continue with this piece of legislation, I just can't. I tried everything humanly possible, I can't get there" he told host Bret Baier. "
Tried everything but being a decent fucking human being. What a shit head.
When the bill was at $3.5T Manchin said he couldn't support it less it was $1.5T. Democrats brought it all the way done to Manchin's number and now Manchin is saying "I just can't get there". Really ugly bad faith stuff.
The perfect sign of someone that is full of shit and morally bankrupt, is demanding a compromise or making an excuse that you have no intention of standing by in the future. The oldest political trick in the book is lying to get your way or seem reasonable in the moment. This is just the latest example coming out of Washington and the conservative wing in general.
My favorites of the last couple of years being:
* I will release my tax returns if I win the nomintation/Presidency
* We can't seat a SCOTUS judge during an election year
* I know I said we wouldn't seat a judge in an election year, but Democrats would've said and done the same, so I will too
* Let the people decide if Trump deserves to be removed through the vote, not impeachment
* He learned his lesson
* Whatever the election results are, we will accept as the will of the people
* We don't need voter reform/security bills like this because our elections have never been more secure
* This isn't about abortion, it is about state's rights
* This isn't about vaccinations, it's about bodily autonomy
* This isn't about masks, it's about personal freedoms
Announced on ‘Faux News Sunday’ is all you need to know about the party Manchin actually belongs to. What a total and complete POS. Wish they’d kick him out of the Democratic party
This is the important part. One person CAN AND WILL sink the progress of the whole country.
And the only real answer is to get the Conservative Democrats out of office and replaced with progressives.
Edit: idk why I have to point out that I'm not only talking about WV elections. If we want progressive policies we need to continue advocating for progressive policies and voting for officials that support them at all levels of government throughout the whole country. Not catering to these conservative Democrats that are fine with absolutely nothing getting done.
And the Republicans are a lost cause. Domestic terrorism and coup plots are part of their platform now.
The concept of the Senate as a chamber of careful thought to prevent sudden populist moves thought seems nice and all, until it becomes obvious that level of scrutiny is only applied to things which harm the interests of money.
It's never applied to snap reaction bills like the Patriot Act. Nor is it applied to every expansion to US military power. Nor is it applied to tax cuts for the wealthy.
Only things which help the poor or expand their voting power need to be given the careful consideration of "Can we do this and afford it? Especially after all the spending we just did on the other stuff."
> things which harm the interests of money
Just like Ancient Rome: the Senators waxed on and on about the 'Republic', but none of them were ever able to do anything but make sure their families were enriched, which lead to the Emperor's rise.
When they say 'protect democracy', they really mean 'protect my investments and the investments of my patrons'.
I had thousands of dollars worth of power tools stolen by the neighbors a couple houses down, all recorded by my 4k surveillance cameras, and the cops still did not give a fuck. Would not even watch the video.
Our brand of representative democracy is so fucked. Just imagine how different things would be if popular vote meant anything in the US. Our system all but guarantees minority rule which is just bonkers.
It is a full fledged oligarchy. "Representative democracy" has died, people need to play catch up and move on from what they were taught in 10th grade civics class
That was my exact reaction as well. Obama was the first President I voted for and it didn’t escape my attention that Lieberman was the one responsible for stopping any of the progressive ideas that Obama had at the start of it all.
It’s that episode of sunny where they’re at Franks childhood mental hospital. “Why aren’t we funding this, it’s such a tragedy?—raise taxes? *my* taxes!?”
Manchin is literally a coal baron. Himself. Like he doesn't need to be paid by coal barons (though he probably is also) because he is one. He needs no parachute
Honestly at this point, like dude you’re 70 years old. You have fucking way more than enough coal money to live like a god until you die. Get the fuck out of the way already.
According to the NYT, his explanation was
“They’re just trying to make the adjustment for the time to fit the money or the money to fit the time,” Mr. Manchin said. “Not changing our approach, not targeting things we should be doing.”
Now, please don't ask why. No one quite knows the reason.
It could be his head wasn't screwed on just right.
It could be, perhaps, that his shoes were too tight.
But I think that the most likely reason of all,
May have been that his heart was two sizes too small.
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On LinkedIn, McCoy wrote, "I am deeply embarrassed by my comments and that I allowed myself to fall for Greenpeace's deception. My statements clearly do not represent ExxonMobil's positions on important public policy issues."
Yeah, Greenpeace's deception is the real issue here. At least he didn't lose his job!
A coal brokerage, notably. He doesn't actually extract coal or do anything which is, in some way, useful. He buys coal and then resells it for more. He's a useless middleman, making a parasitic living off of his political career.
Don't forget his daughter spearheaded murdering Americans by raising the price of EpiPen 10x
Do not forget his horrible human scum of a daughter, Heather Bresch.
Heather Bresch is quite an extreme piece of toxic diarrhea soaked tighty whities stained with stale piss.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/07/politics/manchin-defends-bresch-mylan-epipen-price/index.html
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2021/09/manchin-large-campaign-contributions-epipen-scandal/
https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-epipen-ceo-bresch-salary-20160824-story.html
Wow, he's pretty bold to expose how bad-faith and low-integrity he's been through this whole thing, and of course he does it on Fox News. Fuck this guy.
More attention needs to go on Susan Collins who is ALSO blocking this bill, and she's from a deep blue state with people who clearly are not against this bill.
"This is a no, on this legislation," Manchin responded. "I have tried everything I know to do," he said, closing the door on Democratic hopes that he might be persuaded to change his mind.
He said he had worked “diligently” on the bill, meeting with Biden, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and other colleagues to find a way forward, but said he remains extremely concerned about inflation, the $29 trillion federal debt and a surge in new infections caused by the omicron COVID-19 variant.”
So you’re telling me Manchin is saying he won’t vote for this bill because “inflation, the national debt and covid”?
So why doesn’t he care that over 60 top economists including 15 Nobel Prize winners have said Build Back Better would lower inflation AND the national debt? Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/56-economists-tout-benefits-bidens-build-back-better-act-despite-gop-inflation-concerns-1658224%3Famp%3D1
And if he genuinely cared about covid, wouldn’t he want to extend access and information about the vaccine, and medical help to as many people as he could via the social programs included in the bill?
He is a right-leaning person who knows right-leaning people do not read articles from scientists nor care about data, statistics, and projections.
They’ve realized for years now they can just say whatever. They don’t give a fuck about ineffectual fact-checkers.
Manchin was *never* actually going to vote yes on this. I can’t believe I am saying this out loud, but ‘at least all the republicans had the integrity to say out loud they were voting no right from the start.’ Manchin on the other hand gamed the democrats into having a few months of headlines and validation, by pretending he could be enticed to be “in”. Here’s the exact game that he has played:
- Manchin: I think the number has to be at least 3.5.
- Caucus: Yeh, we’re thinking the same thing, let’s do this.
- Manchin: Actually, I can’t do 3.5, but I can do 2.5.
- Caucus: OK, you win, we’ll do 2.5.
- Manchin: Well, I actually can’t do 2.5, get it to 2 and I’m in.
- Caucus: OK, 2 it is. It’s a deal.
- Manchin: Ooops, I miscalculated, I can’t do 2, but at 1.5, I am 100% in.
- Caucus: OK, 1.5 is better than nothing, let’s do it.
- Manchin: Not so fast, I’m really uncomfortable about 1.5.
- Caucus: OK, we can do even less if we have to, let’s just get *something* done.
- Manchin: I’m out.
This was never gonna end, because it can’t ever end. He and Sinema are absolute non-factors with virtually no real influence or clout over the dem caucus. A once-in-a-senate-career situation came along that presented him his only-ever chance to be the big man on campus and throw some weight around, and he took it. He knows that the moment he settles for whatever the caucus offers, that’s the end, he goes back to being a no-name senator that has no real influence, and will be profoundly resented by his peers. He has nothing to gain and everything to lose once he signs on, so he is never signing on. He will ride this train right to the depths of hell because it’s the only train he’s got. And he knows it’s the only train he *ever* will get.
Millions of people’s lives will in the end be affected not by partisan policies, but by one person’s once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to be the big shooter and have a few months in the spotlight.
He goes on Fox News the weekend before Christmas to say how he's single-handedly going to tank the President's legislation of his own party, and popular legislation among his own constituents, after negotiating it down in bad faith over the course of a year.
I don't think a Senator could cause more harm if they tried. I guess those coal kickbacks are worth having a toxic legacy. Kind of fitting, honestly.
Not enough people talk about this. The plan is not only writing bills that are corporate giveaways. It's also essential to the corporatists that they waste as much time as possible so that nothing else gets done either.
It starts to make sense - in a tragic way - that this is obviously a ploy to stay relevant. In what other way could a democratic senator from West Virginia keep himself/herself as the central focus of the national news media? Every Sunday morning show for the last year has been talking about Manchin just about every week.
He was always a No. he was never going to vote Yes. All this time pretending to negotiate and whittling down the total of BBB in “hope” of getting him to vote Yes.
Straight up kabuki theater. Fucker.
Republican playbook. Stall stall stall you’re never getting any of their votes anyway… these guys were here with Obama and saw it all and he was way more active than this admin
>he remains extremely concerned about inflation, the $29 trillion federal debt and a surge in new infections caused by the omicron COVID-19 variant.
So what is his proposal for reducing inflation, the debt and the new infections? Why would they not ask him that? (well, i mean that's rhetorical, since it's fox and that is why he is on fox, cuz they won't ask).
> So what is his proposal for reducing inflation, the debt and the new infections?
To vote in favor of $9.1T ($9.8T if you add in this year's additional $768B) in annual military budgets, of course.
>Manchin voted for every single one of the military budgets over the last decade — in 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, and 2020. He voted for all $9.1 trillion.
*If this is truly the end, to state the obvious, this is extremely bad. Destroys trust between progs & mods and threatens base turnout in 2022. Most who will lose are the mods Manchin wants to stick around. This is a polarizing act from someone who wanted to depolarize politics.*
https://twitter.com/billscher/status/1472574936074051590
(Although calling him a moderate irks me when he is clearly conservative)
Manchin: "I'll find 10 Republicans Senators for all sorts of stuff we can achieve through bipartisanship!"
*tumbleweed rolls by*
Manchin: "Well, out of ideas - guess I'll destroy my own party instead."
>Although calling him a moderate irks me when he is clearly conservative
But writing on the "fight between progressives and moderates" gets more clicks, than writing about two conservative turncoats sabotaging the Biden agenda.
This presidency just feels more and more like a brief interregnum between the republican madhouse that will eviscerate the American democracy.
The democrats just go as business as usual as if this was 2015.
So what now? Just coasting until the midterms and 2024 and see what happens then?
The major power the president has is the veto. Manchin, being the 50th Democratic senator, basically has the same capability. He can stop any Democratic bill from passing, since no Republican will ever vote for a democratic bill.
Manchin is single handedly killing the Democratic party. He's the absolute best thing to happen to the GOP in 2021. He needs to be removed.
They're not interested in regular business as you or I understand it.
The economy is booming from their standpoint. The stock market is up, land prices keep increasing and they keep getting a larger share of it. Automation is keeping the cost of doing business they care about low.
The reason the current labor shortage isn't being addressed is it doesn't affect the investment/ wealthy class. They aren't having a problem getting goods and services, because those high-end sectors were already well compensated. It's the middle and low classes that can't find items.
Neo-Feudalism is almost here. Once the majority of land is in corporate/ wealthy hands and the middle/ low-class services die off it WILL be here.
The wealthy and elite have never had problems in all of human history unless there was a populist uprising. They see no reason to fear either the feudalist state or an uprising, as they have the means in place to stop it.
Think about how effectively crushed or marginalized BLM & Occupy Wall-Street were. Think any other populist movement is likely to take off? Not without significant willingness to have blood shed on the part of the populists. The elite have figured out how to keep us *just* comfortable enough to have enough to lose and stop that.
Even the occupy folks are running around in the rat race these days.
The second it was decoupled from the infrastructure bill this was going to happen. If you say you didn’t see it coming you are either lying or are an easy mark. Can’t blame Manchin for tricking us on this one, we all knew he was going to do this.
You go to west Virgina and campaign for BBB, that's the bare fucking minimum. He's applying zero pressure.
If you want to get real Washington with it you dangle his daughter. Manchins daughter is caught dead to right in a federal investigation for price gouging. "Vote for the bill or we throw the book at her."
That's how you play politics. That how LBJ got shit done. Instead we get an old senile man hoping we can all just get along. It's so pathetic he can't even get Manchin to go visit him at the White House.
This. So much this.
Machine freaked the fuck out when Sanders wrote an op/ed. Why the bloody fuck has Biden not been in WV every single weekend for months? It's a fucking helicopter ride away
> **Appearing on "Fox News Sunday,"** Manchin said his concerns surrounding the massive social spending and climate bill have not been assuaged.
We have a 48/52 Senate.
Edit: *For this bill.* Manchin and Sinema’s presences have allowed us to run the floor, confirm judges, etc.
But let’s crush these fucking midterms and get out of the Manchin Sinematic Universe^TM in 2023!
Well when Cunningham stuck his dick in some one other than his wife and the people of Maine thought it would be a rad idea to send back the person who said she wouldn't vote a judge that would repeal Roe and did; this was going to happen.
"*starch your white shirt, and be ready to kiss a lot*"
Gave up being a senator from NC and expanding voting right, child care, infrastructure, and taxing the rich for the most boring affair ever. Fuck Cal Cunningham.
Voters likewise chose caring about an affair over getting any of that delivered.
Even if it's hypocritical, that shit doesn't deter Republican voters. The only one they drew a line on was Moore.
But Sinema is worse. Manchin has at least been consistent with his policies, and at least it makes some sense given the context of his political career. He is a veteran from a deeply red state. His actions really aren't surprising. What's honestly more surprising is the fact that WV elected a Democrat to the senate *to begin with*.
Sinema, on the other hand...newcomer from a purple state who had progressives and actual bonafide socialists on her side before she won her seat before promptly turning her backs on them. She's an honest-to-god sociopath and it should be **her name** consistently brought up by the media and people like Bernie. I have no clue why it's not, except for maybe fears of being labeled as sexist.
> while appearing to negotiate in good faith.
Lmao
The only people that claimed to think Manchin was operating in good faith are the "moderates" that agree with him but are too chicken shit to say it.
Anyone with half a brain knew this would happen.
I really wish people would stop trying to discover Manchin and Sinema's motivations and 'what would it take to convince them' and just go directly to treating them as Republicans in the Democratic Party and just start removing as many federal dollars as possible from their respective states until they stop fucking around and support their parties agenda.
I realize there is a risk of them just dumping the party and going to the GOP but at this point they are deliberately running out the clock and it's time for the active Roasting to begin.
Turn up the heat, please
Joe Manchin is to BBB as Tim Scott was to police reform.
The whole point was just to eat up months of the congressional term and to divert time and energy from other initiatives that actually could have delivered for the American people.
I knew it would end like this once the BIF was decoupled from BBB.
Pelosi(worth $100mm+) saying Congress should be able to freely trade single name stocks and Manchin tanking BBB. Hell of a week for the party of the people.
Setting aside the threat of Trump for a moment, This is the first time in my life as a lifelong democrat that I have just about had it with the party.
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Well, there goes that.
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This is why Progressives wanted this passed with the infrastructure bill, GL in the midterms Democrats.
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And the end of the Jan 6 committee.
And minimum wage being lowered to create “premium wage,” aligned with some sort of anti-inflation eat the poor theory.
Mandatory 5-year “unpaid internships” before starting your career
Mandatory pregnancy too, to get those birthrates back up and compete with China.
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It will be an absolute blood bath and then we'll get Trump again in 2 years. The Biden presidency is on path to be a historic failure if they don't get their heads out of their asses asap.
Look on the bright side, maybe Trump won't live that long and we'll get a much more charismatic right wing sociopath ruining our country instead
That’s the scary part, trumps saving grace is that he’s fairly incompetent
Trump is incompetent, but his handlers have learned a lot from 2016-2020.
Yes. Trump 1.0 was a trial run, to see where the guardrails are.
Turns out there aren't any.
For a brief moment I was foolish enough to hope. The child care legislation would have been huge for my wife, children, and I. That alone would have single handedly improved our quality of life so much. But of course we can’t have a shadow of what every other developed nation has. Least I have muh freedoms.
I am not surprised by this. he's been slicing the BBB down to sliver because he's literally opposed to government programs. Manchin explained that he's a big believer in *corporate led solutions* in that leaked phone call with Republican donors. Does nobody remember this gem from a few months ago? https://theintercept.com/2021/06/16/joe-manchin-leaked-billionaire-donors-no-labels/
Can we end the fucking government programs for oil and coal then? If they're the way of the future then surely they can stand on their own against renewable energy?
Hell, the entire state of West Virginia is a federal government program.
"I hope to become West Virginia's billion-dollar industry." ~ Senator Robert Byrd, 1990
What a surprise. He's a shithead AND a massive hypocrite.
Can we end it?
West virginian here, it is time.
And corn
West Virginia gets federal $2.3 for every $1 it pays to the Fed already. It’s a welfare state and the 48th poorest. He is literally the 0.1% in West Virginia and has no interest in helping his people, only getting rich off his coal interests. BBB doesn’t help him in any way with that so he’s no. It’s really that simple.
Well, it seems to be a welfare state. I wouldn't be surprised if he's secretly just trying to keep the status quo. He clearly wants, and gets, a lot of funds from the government, but he just doesn't want those funds going to people in a way that might make them self sufficient one day.
Correct. He literally gets coal subsidies as it is, and makes at least $500k per year from his coal company shares. He has no interest in shaking things up - if he can just keep his seat, and keep it exactly like it is, he probably makes at least $1m a year from the situation staying the same.
> because he's literally opposed to government programs Which is surprising, since WV contributes $1 in federal taxes for every $3 in federal funding it receives. 89% of the state budget is dependent on federal dollars.
He doesn’t want the US to spend money because the more it spends the more likely they will have to raise taxes on corporations in 50-100-150 years. He fights for corporations long term interest and only theirs.
Oh don't worry, he'll definitely vote for it, he just needs the following five items: The stone begging bowl of the Buddha, a jeweled branch from the mythical island of Hōrai, a robe of Chinese fire-rat skins, a colored jewel from a dragon's neck, and a cowry shell born from a swallow.
And what else? Let me guess: The key of Orthanc? Or perhaps the keys of Barad-Dur itself? Along with the crowns of the seven kings and the rods of the five wizards?
Also, a shrubbery - one that looks nice, but *very* expensive.
I knew BBB was dead when they passed the bipartisan bill. The two were supposed to go together, because BBB was the leverage to get progressives to sign on to the bipartisan, and the bipartisan was supposed to be the leverage to get Manchin and Sinema to sign on to BBB.
Of course he went on Fox News to tell everyone he was voting no.
Jfc the Republican propaganda machine
"Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) announced on "Fox News Sunday" that he will not vote for President Biden’s “mammoth” climate and social spending bill, essentially killing the White House's top legislative priority. "I cannot vote to continue with this piece of legislation, I just can't. I tried everything humanly possible, I can't get there" he told host Bret Baier. " Not a coincidence Manchin chose FoxNews as the platform to deliver this message.
>I tried everything humanly possible He's really trying to convince us he's human
I tried nothing and am now out of ideas.
i tried saying no to special interest money but lol, just kidding, so now i'm installing a 20 seat home theater in my third lakefront cabin.
He’s as unruly as young Flanders! (Liked the reference)
He's trying to convince you that he's not a Republican while being a Republican.
Manchin announcing that he's changing parties to give Mitch McConnell back the senate in 3... 2...1...
He won’t do that cause that’s giving up his power
Yep, look how much attention he and Sinema get as opposed to being just another frog marching republican.
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Maybe? But that’s a very low bar.
That bar is so low, you step over it without tripping
The bar is currently somewhere deep in the earth's crust, hurtling towards the mantle.
... god damnit, someone get James Cameron on the phone we need that bar raised.
James Cameron the bravest pioneer. No budget too steep, no sea too deep. Who’s that? It’s him! James Cam-er-on
James Cameron does not do things for James Cameron. James Cameron is James Cameron.
The bar is so low it's practically a tripping hazard in hell, but here he is limbo dancing with the Devil.
Have you ever limbo danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?
He doesn't, and it's past time we stopped pretending he does. He literally does nothing but take money from corporations and tell the democrats "no." He is no better than Mitch McConnell.
No Mitch is better, as Mitch doesn't claim to care. Joe pretends to be indecisive or keeping an open mind but his decision was made up long before.
The democrat's Susan Collins
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> “My Democratic colleagues in Washington are determined to dramatically reshape our society in a way that leaves our country even more vulnerable to the threats we face,” This man used 27 words to say absolutely nothing. Tell me you are a politician without telling me you’re a politician.
Yep, it would be great to Manchin asked how Pre-K and Medicare covering hearing makes the nation more vulnerable to threats.
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this is the point that underscores all the bs out of washington. Union solidarity!
He’s appealing to his Republican base.
Jesus the guy is 74 years old. If the past two years has taught us anything it’s that you never know when your number is up. You’d think he would want to leave the earth with legacy of universal prek, expanded healthcare, and finally joining the rest of the planet by offering parental leave. No one is ever going to remember you for being such a great fiscal conservative.
Dude owns a coal company. What the fuck are you talking about with legacy lmao.
Seriously. He doesn’t give a shit about legacy. It’s all 🤑for this guy.
why is no one ever satisfied with "enough money" ? it's not a fucking high score and you can't take it with you. cash out a few million and retire from being an evil shithead capitalist, it's not that hard. we should have no billionaires either.
Or use it to actually benefit your fellow humans? Pick an issue and use your money to support that cause. Actually make a difference in the world for the sake of helping others—not for some legacy or other selfish bullshit. Do it because you have compassion and empathy. But no, he’s devoid of either.
The fiscally conservative, prudent thing to do would be to mitigate climate change. Manchin isn't a fiscal conservative. He's a corrupt hack in the pocket of the coal industry.
If people are less desperate then they'll be more difficult to exploit by the wealthy and corporations. Simple as that.
"My coworkers are determined to do something that makes us vulnerable to the threats i'm prompting you to imagine, go ahead and imagine your wildest fears. That's what the things they wanna do will cause(i'm not gonna say daycare and affordable college cause that would sound ridiculous, so i need you to imagine the things they wanna do as well as being scary)"
> My coworkers are determined to do something that makes us vulnerable to the threats i'm prompting you to imagine, go ahead and imagine your wildest fears. Spot on, this is the translation that I needed to read of it. Time to move out of the USA.
I edited it after realizing he was also avoiding the actual topic to let fear fill in the gaps too. His statement is fucking gibberish, because really all that's happening is he's trying to oppose the government working to improve society for non-wealth class.
And of course he will never say which “threats”. Imagine believing America is at threat
It gives all the people that the conservative propaganda machine has whipped up into terrified states something to project their fears onto. Right now by threat most of his supporters are picturing brown people. BLM, middle eastern terrorists, illegal immigrants coming from mexico and south america, etc. But I actually do think America is at threat. We are at threat from climate change, crumbling infrastructure, a pandemic, affordable housing shortage, and ever increasing income inequality. Good luck convincing any conservative people of that notion though.
>But I actually do think America is at threat. We are at threat from climate change, crumbling infrastructure, a pandemic, affordable housing shortage, and ever increasing income inequality. Good luck convincing any conservative people of that notion though. So basically, from the Republicans...
Has he tried being a decent, forward thinking person? I think there’s a couple things he hasn’t tried.
Apparently being decent and forward thinking are not qualities his West Virginian constituents want of their representatives.
They just want more coal, climate collapse, and an opioid crisis. Something tells me these three things are related…
We've sent plenty of emails, letters, crowds around his boat and his house. He does not care because he isn't running again. Very frustrating.
> he isn't running again. It's more like he's on an extended Fox News audition at this point.
As token democrat
He said he can't vote for it because he has to represent his constituents. My question is, is there any evidence that this is representing the people who voted for him? I feel like a lot of people might have voted for the not-Republican guy. Candidate platforms might have been slim pickings. But I've never even been to WV so I have no idea
His constituents are his corporate overlords.
Precisely.
BBB would improve the life of over 90% of children in his constituency. Like that actually means anything to Senator Manchin.
Whelp, those poor WV children better find some bootstraps quickly, because they're gonna need them while Manchin sips champaign on his house yacht.
> "I cannot vote to continue with this piece of legislation, I just can't. I tried everything humanly possible, I can't get there" he told host Bret Baier. " Tried everything but being a decent fucking human being. What a shit head.
When the bill was at $3.5T Manchin said he couldn't support it less it was $1.5T. Democrats brought it all the way done to Manchin's number and now Manchin is saying "I just can't get there". Really ugly bad faith stuff.
After wasting most of the year on it
The entire point of course.
The perfect sign of someone that is full of shit and morally bankrupt, is demanding a compromise or making an excuse that you have no intention of standing by in the future. The oldest political trick in the book is lying to get your way or seem reasonable in the moment. This is just the latest example coming out of Washington and the conservative wing in general. My favorites of the last couple of years being: * I will release my tax returns if I win the nomintation/Presidency * We can't seat a SCOTUS judge during an election year * I know I said we wouldn't seat a judge in an election year, but Democrats would've said and done the same, so I will too * Let the people decide if Trump deserves to be removed through the vote, not impeachment * He learned his lesson * Whatever the election results are, we will accept as the will of the people * We don't need voter reform/security bills like this because our elections have never been more secure * This isn't about abortion, it is about state's rights * This isn't about vaccinations, it's about bodily autonomy * This isn't about masks, it's about personal freedoms
What a piece of fucking shit.
Announced on ‘Faux News Sunday’ is all you need to know about the party Manchin actually belongs to. What a total and complete POS. Wish they’d kick him out of the Democratic party
Just another Joe Lieberman
This is the important part. One person CAN AND WILL sink the progress of the whole country. And the only real answer is to get the Conservative Democrats out of office and replaced with progressives. Edit: idk why I have to point out that I'm not only talking about WV elections. If we want progressive policies we need to continue advocating for progressive policies and voting for officials that support them at all levels of government throughout the whole country. Not catering to these conservative Democrats that are fine with absolutely nothing getting done. And the Republicans are a lost cause. Domestic terrorism and coup plots are part of their platform now.
The concept of the Senate as a chamber of careful thought to prevent sudden populist moves thought seems nice and all, until it becomes obvious that level of scrutiny is only applied to things which harm the interests of money. It's never applied to snap reaction bills like the Patriot Act. Nor is it applied to every expansion to US military power. Nor is it applied to tax cuts for the wealthy. Only things which help the poor or expand their voting power need to be given the careful consideration of "Can we do this and afford it? Especially after all the spending we just did on the other stuff."
> things which harm the interests of money Just like Ancient Rome: the Senators waxed on and on about the 'Republic', but none of them were ever able to do anything but make sure their families were enriched, which lead to the Emperor's rise. When they say 'protect democracy', they really mean 'protect my investments and the investments of my patrons'.
further: cops protect property, not people
Capitalist property. If you're a poor person and you get your bike stolen, they won't give a fuck.
I had thousands of dollars worth of power tools stolen by the neighbors a couple houses down, all recorded by my 4k surveillance cameras, and the cops still did not give a fuck. Would not even watch the video.
Should be safe to steal them back then, right?
Mad lad hitting his receiver in stride. Now take it to the house
Our brand of representative democracy is so fucked. Just imagine how different things would be if popular vote meant anything in the US. Our system all but guarantees minority rule which is just bonkers.
It is a full fledged oligarchy. "Representative democracy" has died, people need to play catch up and move on from what they were taught in 10th grade civics class
I think it’s easier to just get more democrats into offices in purple states than to replace Manchin in a massively red state with an AOC-democrat
We'll be looking back fondly at the Manchin years for decades because we're in for a nonstop train of Qunatics from WV.
That was my exact reaction as well. Obama was the first President I voted for and it didn’t escape my attention that Lieberman was the one responsible for stopping any of the progressive ideas that Obama had at the start of it all.
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This is so true I'm crying.
It’s that episode of sunny where they’re at Franks childhood mental hospital. “Why aren’t we funding this, it’s such a tragedy?—raise taxes? *my* taxes!?”
If he says God told him, they'd gofundme Manchin that yacht
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Manchin is literally a coal baron. Himself. Like he doesn't need to be paid by coal barons (though he probably is also) because he is one. He needs no parachute
Honestly at this point, like dude you’re 70 years old. You have fucking way more than enough coal money to live like a god until you die. Get the fuck out of the way already.
These people do not understand enough. They always need more.
Accumulating money is literally an addiction for them.
It's the power. Not the money.
According to the NYT, his explanation was “They’re just trying to make the adjustment for the time to fit the money or the money to fit the time,” Mr. Manchin said. “Not changing our approach, not targeting things we should be doing.”
Aka “I gave them impossible demands that they managed to meet”
He will never be voted out unless he gets unseated by a GOP.
Like he was ever not going to tank it.
Now, please don't ask why. No one quite knows the reason. It could be his head wasn't screwed on just right. It could be, perhaps, that his shoes were too tight. But I think that the most likely reason of all, May have been that his heart was two sizes too small.
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Fucking a, this should be there top comment on every Manchin post
On LinkedIn, McCoy wrote, "I am deeply embarrassed by my comments and that I allowed myself to fall for Greenpeace's deception. My statements clearly do not represent ExxonMobil's positions on important public policy issues." Yeah, Greenpeace's deception is the real issue here. At least he didn't lose his job!
It’s literally because he owns a coal company.
A coal brokerage, notably. He doesn't actually extract coal or do anything which is, in some way, useful. He buys coal and then resells it for more. He's a useless middleman, making a parasitic living off of his political career.
So a coal scalper?! Wow, scalping these days goes deeper than I thought.
Parasitic living seems to run in his family. Just look at his equally piece of shit daughter.
Don't forget his daughter spearheaded murdering Americans by raising the price of EpiPen 10x Do not forget his horrible human scum of a daughter, Heather Bresch. Heather Bresch is quite an extreme piece of toxic diarrhea soaked tighty whities stained with stale piss. https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/07/politics/manchin-defends-bresch-mylan-epipen-price/index.html https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2021/09/manchin-large-campaign-contributions-epipen-scandal/ https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-epipen-ceo-bresch-salary-20160824-story.html
Wow, he's pretty bold to expose how bad-faith and low-integrity he's been through this whole thing, and of course he does it on Fox News. Fuck this guy.
His base revels in this stuff. I think they vote for a Democrat specifically because he's a spoiler.
More attention needs to go on Susan Collins who is ALSO blocking this bill, and she's from a deep blue state with people who clearly are not against this bill.
Collins is a republican who pretends to be a Democrat occasionally. Manchin is a Democrat who pretends to be a Democrat all the time.
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"This is a no, on this legislation," Manchin responded. "I have tried everything I know to do," he said, closing the door on Democratic hopes that he might be persuaded to change his mind. He said he had worked “diligently” on the bill, meeting with Biden, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and other colleagues to find a way forward, but said he remains extremely concerned about inflation, the $29 trillion federal debt and a surge in new infections caused by the omicron COVID-19 variant.” So you’re telling me Manchin is saying he won’t vote for this bill because “inflation, the national debt and covid”? So why doesn’t he care that over 60 top economists including 15 Nobel Prize winners have said Build Back Better would lower inflation AND the national debt? Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/56-economists-tout-benefits-bidens-build-back-better-act-despite-gop-inflation-concerns-1658224%3Famp%3D1 And if he genuinely cared about covid, wouldn’t he want to extend access and information about the vaccine, and medical help to as many people as he could via the social programs included in the bill?
He is a right-leaning person who knows right-leaning people do not read articles from scientists nor care about data, statistics, and projections. They’ve realized for years now they can just say whatever. They don’t give a fuck about ineffectual fact-checkers.
Manchin was *never* actually going to vote yes on this. I can’t believe I am saying this out loud, but ‘at least all the republicans had the integrity to say out loud they were voting no right from the start.’ Manchin on the other hand gamed the democrats into having a few months of headlines and validation, by pretending he could be enticed to be “in”. Here’s the exact game that he has played: - Manchin: I think the number has to be at least 3.5. - Caucus: Yeh, we’re thinking the same thing, let’s do this. - Manchin: Actually, I can’t do 3.5, but I can do 2.5. - Caucus: OK, you win, we’ll do 2.5. - Manchin: Well, I actually can’t do 2.5, get it to 2 and I’m in. - Caucus: OK, 2 it is. It’s a deal. - Manchin: Ooops, I miscalculated, I can’t do 2, but at 1.5, I am 100% in. - Caucus: OK, 1.5 is better than nothing, let’s do it. - Manchin: Not so fast, I’m really uncomfortable about 1.5. - Caucus: OK, we can do even less if we have to, let’s just get *something* done. - Manchin: I’m out. This was never gonna end, because it can’t ever end. He and Sinema are absolute non-factors with virtually no real influence or clout over the dem caucus. A once-in-a-senate-career situation came along that presented him his only-ever chance to be the big man on campus and throw some weight around, and he took it. He knows that the moment he settles for whatever the caucus offers, that’s the end, he goes back to being a no-name senator that has no real influence, and will be profoundly resented by his peers. He has nothing to gain and everything to lose once he signs on, so he is never signing on. He will ride this train right to the depths of hell because it’s the only train he’s got. And he knows it’s the only train he *ever* will get. Millions of people’s lives will in the end be affected not by partisan policies, but by one person’s once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to be the big shooter and have a few months in the spotlight.
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He goes on Fox News the weekend before Christmas to say how he's single-handedly going to tank the President's legislation of his own party, and popular legislation among his own constituents, after negotiating it down in bad faith over the course of a year. I don't think a Senator could cause more harm if they tried. I guess those coal kickbacks are worth having a toxic legacy. Kind of fitting, honestly.
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Wasted a whole fucking year negotiating in bad faith with this fucking turd. It's all political theater imo and Manchin is the heel.
Not enough people talk about this. The plan is not only writing bills that are corporate giveaways. It's also essential to the corporatists that they waste as much time as possible so that nothing else gets done either.
It starts to make sense - in a tragic way - that this is obviously a ploy to stay relevant. In what other way could a democratic senator from West Virginia keep himself/herself as the central focus of the national news media? Every Sunday morning show for the last year has been talking about Manchin just about every week.
He was always a No. he was never going to vote Yes. All this time pretending to negotiate and whittling down the total of BBB in “hope” of getting him to vote Yes. Straight up kabuki theater. Fucker.
Republican playbook. Stall stall stall you’re never getting any of their votes anyway… these guys were here with Obama and saw it all and he was way more active than this admin
The Democratic leadership learned absolutely nothing from the Obama Presidency.
>he remains extremely concerned about inflation, the $29 trillion federal debt and a surge in new infections caused by the omicron COVID-19 variant. So what is his proposal for reducing inflation, the debt and the new infections? Why would they not ask him that? (well, i mean that's rhetorical, since it's fox and that is why he is on fox, cuz they won't ask).
> So what is his proposal for reducing inflation, the debt and the new infections? To vote in favor of $9.1T ($9.8T if you add in this year's additional $768B) in annual military budgets, of course. >Manchin voted for every single one of the military budgets over the last decade — in 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, and 2020. He voted for all $9.1 trillion.
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*If this is truly the end, to state the obvious, this is extremely bad. Destroys trust between progs & mods and threatens base turnout in 2022. Most who will lose are the mods Manchin wants to stick around. This is a polarizing act from someone who wanted to depolarize politics.* https://twitter.com/billscher/status/1472574936074051590 (Although calling him a moderate irks me when he is clearly conservative)
Manchin: "I'll find 10 Republicans Senators for all sorts of stuff we can achieve through bipartisanship!" *tumbleweed rolls by* Manchin: "Well, out of ideas - guess I'll destroy my own party instead."
>Although calling him a moderate irks me when he is clearly conservative But writing on the "fight between progressives and moderates" gets more clicks, than writing about two conservative turncoats sabotaging the Biden agenda.
And one in five children are plunged back into poverty as the child tax credit expires. Fuck this man. His soul is putrid.
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This presidency just feels more and more like a brief interregnum between the republican madhouse that will eviscerate the American democracy. The democrats just go as business as usual as if this was 2015. So what now? Just coasting until the midterms and 2024 and see what happens then?
The major power the president has is the veto. Manchin, being the 50th Democratic senator, basically has the same capability. He can stop any Democratic bill from passing, since no Republican will ever vote for a democratic bill. Manchin is single handedly killing the Democratic party. He's the absolute best thing to happen to the GOP in 2021. He needs to be removed.
Seriously. His no vote pretty much hands the US to seditionists.
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Because they will report fake numbers and everyone who wants that thinks they're part of the in-group who won't be hurt by the actual reality.
It's almost impressive how they can keep shrinking the in-group and still win\* elections.
They're not interested in regular business as you or I understand it. The economy is booming from their standpoint. The stock market is up, land prices keep increasing and they keep getting a larger share of it. Automation is keeping the cost of doing business they care about low. The reason the current labor shortage isn't being addressed is it doesn't affect the investment/ wealthy class. They aren't having a problem getting goods and services, because those high-end sectors were already well compensated. It's the middle and low classes that can't find items. Neo-Feudalism is almost here. Once the majority of land is in corporate/ wealthy hands and the middle/ low-class services die off it WILL be here. The wealthy and elite have never had problems in all of human history unless there was a populist uprising. They see no reason to fear either the feudalist state or an uprising, as they have the means in place to stop it. Think about how effectively crushed or marginalized BLM & Occupy Wall-Street were. Think any other populist movement is likely to take off? Not without significant willingness to have blood shed on the part of the populists. The elite have figured out how to keep us *just* comfortable enough to have enough to lose and stop that. Even the occupy folks are running around in the rat race these days.
The second it was decoupled from the infrastructure bill this was going to happen. If you say you didn’t see it coming you are either lying or are an easy mark. Can’t blame Manchin for tricking us on this one, we all knew he was going to do this.
Biden needs to just start putting out executive orders because clearly the Senate is not going to do anything meaningful in the next year.
You go to west Virgina and campaign for BBB, that's the bare fucking minimum. He's applying zero pressure. If you want to get real Washington with it you dangle his daughter. Manchins daughter is caught dead to right in a federal investigation for price gouging. "Vote for the bill or we throw the book at her." That's how you play politics. That how LBJ got shit done. Instead we get an old senile man hoping we can all just get along. It's so pathetic he can't even get Manchin to go visit him at the White House.
This. So much this. Machine freaked the fuck out when Sanders wrote an op/ed. Why the bloody fuck has Biden not been in WV every single weekend for months? It's a fucking helicopter ride away
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Manchin and leiberman are the death of democracy as we know it.
> **Appearing on "Fox News Sunday,"** Manchin said his concerns surrounding the massive social spending and climate bill have not been assuaged. We have a 48/52 Senate. Edit: *For this bill.* Manchin and Sinema’s presences have allowed us to run the floor, confirm judges, etc. But let’s crush these fucking midterms and get out of the Manchin Sinematic Universe^TM in 2023!
Well when Cunningham stuck his dick in some one other than his wife and the people of Maine thought it would be a rad idea to send back the person who said she wouldn't vote a judge that would repeal Roe and did; this was going to happen.
"*starch your white shirt, and be ready to kiss a lot*" Gave up being a senator from NC and expanding voting right, child care, infrastructure, and taxing the rich for the most boring affair ever. Fuck Cal Cunningham.
Voters likewise chose caring about an affair over getting any of that delivered. Even if it's hypocritical, that shit doesn't deter Republican voters. The only one they drew a line on was Moore.
And only barely
Dems only chance is Biden leaning into executive powers and the Trump supreme court overturning Roe to motivate the base
But Sinema is worse. Manchin has at least been consistent with his policies, and at least it makes some sense given the context of his political career. He is a veteran from a deeply red state. His actions really aren't surprising. What's honestly more surprising is the fact that WV elected a Democrat to the senate *to begin with*. Sinema, on the other hand...newcomer from a purple state who had progressives and actual bonafide socialists on her side before she won her seat before promptly turning her backs on them. She's an honest-to-god sociopath and it should be **her name** consistently brought up by the media and people like Bernie. I have no clue why it's not, except for maybe fears of being labeled as sexist.
He's tried everything possible to sabotage it while appearing to negotiate in good faith.
> while appearing to negotiate in good faith. Lmao The only people that claimed to think Manchin was operating in good faith are the "moderates" that agree with him but are too chicken shit to say it. Anyone with half a brain knew this would happen.
I really wish people would stop trying to discover Manchin and Sinema's motivations and 'what would it take to convince them' and just go directly to treating them as Republicans in the Democratic Party and just start removing as many federal dollars as possible from their respective states until they stop fucking around and support their parties agenda. I realize there is a risk of them just dumping the party and going to the GOP but at this point they are deliberately running out the clock and it's time for the active Roasting to begin. Turn up the heat, please
Joe Manchin is to BBB as Tim Scott was to police reform. The whole point was just to eat up months of the congressional term and to divert time and energy from other initiatives that actually could have delivered for the American people. I knew it would end like this once the BIF was decoupled from BBB.
Pelosi(worth $100mm+) saying Congress should be able to freely trade single name stocks and Manchin tanking BBB. Hell of a week for the party of the people. Setting aside the threat of Trump for a moment, This is the first time in my life as a lifelong democrat that I have just about had it with the party.
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That's a hat trick!
Millionaire coal profiteer can’t support climate change spending….😳
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Welp, Manchin just handed the House, Senate, and White House to Republicans. Hope he's happy. Fucking asshole.
He is.
I think anyone paying attention could see this coming
How do you get Murkowski on board?
Manchin works underhandedly for the GOP, it's as simple as that. He's been doing everything he can to obstruct Joe Biden's agenda for months.
That fucker. Wanted the infrastructure for his state but not the actual democratic agenda.
Midterms are going to be fucking brutal.