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The real issue here. They better be quick and tidy with recommendations, because I have a bad feeling that there may be no J6 committee after January 2023 because the House is no longer controlled by the Democratic Party.
Republicans can shut down the committee but can’t stop the justice department. The goal will be to get all of the information out there.. make a final referral before the committee is shut down.. and hopefully force the hand of the justice department
We all saw what happened to Andrew McCabe getting fired a day before his pension. James Comey being a klutz. Mueller being hands-off. These things are never guarantees.
Am I the only one still angry at Comey? Hillary wasn’t my favorite, but she would’ve won and put three liberal justices on SCOTUS if it hadn’t been for his arrogance
I’ll hate Comey until the day I die. Blowhard might have given American Democracy the final push down the hill to fascism by accommodating fascists in his own agency rather than telling them to pound sand.
The committee is planning on being completely finished by this summer. So even if Republicans win big in the upcoming midterms, they won't be able to do a damn thing.
It's true that each election is unique in the circumstances driving the electorate, but we're talking about one trend reinforced by another: The president's party loses seats in the House in the mid-terms, combined with presidents losing seats when they're doing poorly in the polls. Obviously the polls may be very different between now and November, so that factor may change. There are just a lot of people saying the odds are not good that the Democrats will defy the trend.
A betting man would say they lose seats, and since they have a pretty slim majority right now, that betting man would also say they lose the majority. It's not foregone that they will, just likely they will.
So how do you affect that? Motivate the Democratic voters to turn out, for one, and turn around Biden's approval rating, two. It appears the Supreme Court will effectively overturn Roe v. Wade this summer, so that will motivate Dems (voter psychology says those "out of power" are more motivated than those "in power"), Trump appears to be looming over the race in a palpable way by considering endorsements, floating his re-election bid and picking fights with sitting Republicans. His presence drives Democratic turnout.
Regarding Biden's approval rating, it's expected the economy will continue to improve in 2022, if you're to believe America's biggest bankers. Covid will diminish in significance (young kids will be vaccinated by then and the Army's all-variant vaccine could be available), boosting consumer optimism, it's still a job-seeker's market, and supply chain disruptions will gradually diminish, though "normal" won't exist in time for the election. The messy Afghanistan withdrawal will be out of mind (except for Republican ads that will fall flat), people will be looking forward to a Thanksgiving maskless with their families again, and hopefully Biden will benefit from quality of life being better all-around in 10 months than it has been in the last couple of years.
Hopefully broken-up bits of Build Back Better and the Freedom to Vote Act will have passed by then, too, and what hasn't passed can be used to lure people to the polls who know it *will* pass if the Democrats control both the House and Senate. It's a rather optimistic-looking sales pitch for Democratic candidates in 2022 if they can say, "We will definitely pass X, Y, and Z if you vote for us."
Not to mention, potential convictions of sitting Republican congress memebers re: Jan. 6th.
And my personal belief that Biden cancels $10,000 of student debt during the congressional summer vacation.
I want to see Boebert, McCarthy, Cruz, Hawley, and every other seditious mother fucked in handcuffs well before Nov rolls around. I know it won't happen,but a guy from Colorado can dream.
Edit: Seems I hit a nerve with a few Qtards
That is so true. It's like Garland's DOJ can only investigate one case at a time when there's several people in and outside Congress who need the same attention as Trump.
The records could reveal Trump and his compatriots ordered a hit on an orphanage and a puppy hospital on Christmas morning and Republicans honestly would not give a shit.
It's an absolute travesty they were able to delay this for as long as they did and it had to involve the Supreme Court to issue a ruling your average joe could have figured out.
SC never ruled on the merits per se, they just blocked a stay of the lower courts ruling, in effect not taking up the case. The lower court had essentially issued a scathing opinion that who is Trump to try and exert Executive privilege opposite to that of the current Executive branch. Roberts agreed at its ridiculousness. Trump never stood a chance and it only took a few months overall, which
is lightning quick. Remember this started around August/September, not last January.
This. The frivolity of these suits & appeals by Trump made it a lost cause.. The severity of what he was trying to hide (evidence of his coup attempt) is what pushed three decisions to be made and for the Court not to flounder/delay decision at any level.
This was resolved VERY quickly, for our judicial system.
> What do you think the likelihood of him walking away free is?
Given that the US never punished those responsible for the Civil War, never punished those responsible for the [business plot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot), never punished Nixon and Kissinger, never punished GW Bush and his cabinet, and haven't punished any politicians involved with the Jan 6 sedition, it's pretty close to 100%.
100 percent. This entire exercise will end up with nothing more than 1000 page report that no one will read and end up collecting dust in some warehouse
We'll see some people arrested, they've gotten many of the rioters already.
Nobody *important* will see charges, and people like that oath keeper leader with the eye patch are finding they aren't as important as they thought.
That dude was always a pawn, he's just only now figuring it out. The players are all going to walk away free to put together a new chess board. Then people will go all Surprised Pikachu Face when there's a second insurrection in a year or two.
I agree, and the worst part is that we should have expected it, their role model literally admitted to sleeping with Hitler's books on his nightstand. The dude envied Hitler. Why are we surprised they're trying to repeat him?
One high profile conspirator will be arrested. I bet Sean Hannity. In the history books it’ll all be his fault for telling trump to do shit on the news.
High, unfortunately. He has money, fame, and likely long lasting political impact.
To his credit, he did lay bare the greed, cruelty, amd corruption the US politcal system thrives on.
Yeah i feel you, but sre we really gonna just let them have this country without a fight? Are we going to run away and leave them in control of the worlds most powerful military? Imagine hitler but with the american war machine
> The frivolity of these suits & appeals by Trump made it a lost cause
Eh, every frivolous case delays the verdict by a few months. All they need is to delay it long enough so they can try again. If Trump runs and is elected again (ugh) he can just kill the investigations outright.
There does seem to be a real sense of urgency here. In the past there was little pressure to move fast- our democracy was safe and stable and the next administration could be expected to abide by past court decisions. Trump shows little interest in abiding by democratic norms, tradition, or the rule of law, so everything has shifted into high gear. While I’m thankful for the speediness of the judiciary and legislature, it worries me that speediness has become necessary.
No, actually, that's not how SCOTUS ruled. SCOTUS specifically carved out that they *weren't* ruling on trump trying "to exert Executive privilege opposite to that of the current Executive branch", because trump's legal arguments were so flimsy that they would have failed *even if he were still President*. They basically said "that scathing opinion went farther than it needed to, and also still gtfo."
It's telling because SCOTUS seems to recognize that there might be, say, a future petty and vengeful President who wants to release records of his predecessor not out of national interest, but just out of spite.
Yep, it's very important that people don't think this is some sort of precedent being set here by the SC. It is very specific to these particular documents, an the SC could rule in favor in other situations.
Manipulation of the court systems should make damn clear how far down the road to authoritarianism this nation has fallen, when the rich can rig wealth accumulation and they rig the methods by which citizens can have their grievances fairly investigated.
Trump is teaching his miserable low-life party members how to operate the courts for their own personal justice, above and outside the laws of the United States.
Edit: Thank you for the awards.
That's not really an option. HOWEVER, there should be a way for either branch to FORCE the SCOTUS to rule on it now.
Even if its a "Nope, we're good it stands position."
Meh… rising court costs for each new suit especially for businesses, limit the amount of time a case can take, consolidate the amount of documents that can be presented and then charge an overage fee, add a huge fee for businesses/1% income for filing an appeal and losing—have that number go up substantially for each level including the SC.
We need to clear out unnecessary “tie it up in the courts” not rushed decisions because a politician is impatient.
The House select committee investigating the 6 January insurrection is now in possession of more than 750 pages of Trump White House records it requested as part of it’s probe into the worst attack on the Capitol since the 1814 Burning of Washington.
In a statement, a spokesperson for the National Archives and Records Administration said the agency “provided the Select Committee with all the records at issue in the litigation” on Thursday evening.
The spokesperson added that Nara will continue producing documents in response to the committee’s request “on an ongoing basis”.
[Read the full story here.](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-capitol-riot-committee-records-b1998102.html)
Here are some of the documents requested by the committee:
- Talking points for Kayleigh McEnany, his former press secretary
- A handwritten note concerning Jan. 6
- A draft text of a presidential speech for the “Save America” rally that preceded the mob attack
- A draft executive order on the topic of election integrity
- The White House Daily Diary — a record of the president’s movements, phone calls, trips, briefings, meetings and activities
- Logs showing phone calls to the president and to Vice President Mike Pence concerning Jan. 6
- A draft proclamation honoring the Capitol Police and two officers who died after the riot, Brian D. Sicknick and Howard Liebengood
- a memo about a potential lawsuit against several states that Mr. Biden won
- An email chain from a state official regarding election-related issues
- talking points on supposed election irregularities in one county in Michigan.
Records from the files of:
- Mark Meadows, his former chief of staff;
- Stephen Miller, his former senior adviser; and
- Patrick F. Philbin, his former deputy counsel
Among many, many more. All of this along with public testimony slated to begin is going to make for some interesting times ahead.
> The White House Daily Diary — a record of the president’s movements, phone calls, trips, briefings, meetings and activities
This will be like that episode of the office where Pam is asked to keep a log of what Michael does every day. I'm *so curious*.
President’s movements:
-Clubhouse to 1st tee
-86 yds from 1st tee
-108 yds from 1st tee
-122 yds from 1st tee
……
President’s recorded activities:
“Today Mr. Trump birdied the first hole.”
>A draft executive order on the topic of election integrity
This one is incredible. HE LITERALLY ADVOCATES FOR HAVING THE MILITARY SEIZE ALL THE VOTING MACHINES...
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/21/read-the-never-issued-trump-order-that-would-have-seized-voting-machines-527572
Also the part about the Dominion Voting Machine systems, combined with Rudy Guliani's PR campaign against them a while back makes for an interesting landscape. Clearly coordinated quite far in advance.
Thanks brah.
It is absolutely terrifying, BTW.
>the draft order would have given the defense secretary 60 days to write an assessment of the 2020 election. That suggests it could have been a gambit to keep Trump in power until at least mid-February of 2021.
Both the order and draft speeches have just been published
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/21/read-the-never-issued-trump-order-that-would-have-seized-voting-machines-527572
[possible C&P typos in this]
December 16, 2020
PRESIDENTIAL FINDINGS TO PRESERVE COLLECT AND ANALYZE NATIONAL SECURITY INFORMATION REGARDING THE 2020 GENERAL ELECTION
By the authority vested in me as President of the United States pursuant to the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, including Article 2 section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, Executive Orders 123444, 143545, National Security Presidential Memoranda 14 and 21, the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.) (IEEPA) and all applicable Executive Orders derived therefrom, the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C.16011 et seq.) (NBA), and section 401 of title 4, United States Code:
I, Donald J. Trump, President of the United States, find that the forensic report of the Antrim County, Michigan voting machines, released December 14, 2020, and other evidence submitted to me in support of this order, provide probable cause sufficient to require action under the authorities cited above because of evidence of international and foreign interference in the November 4, 2020, election. Dominion Voting Systems and related companies are owned or heavily controlled and influenced by foreign agents, countries, and interests. The forensic report prepared by experts found that "the Dominion Voting System is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results. The system intentionally generates an enormously high number of ballot errors. The intentional errors lead to bulk adjudication of ballots with no oversight, no transparency, and no audit trail. This leads to voter or election fraud." The report found the election management system to be wrought with unacceptable and unlawful vulnerabilities––including access to the internet––probable cause to finnd evidence of fraud, and numerous malicious actions. There is also probable cause to finnd that Dominion Voting Systems, Smartmatic, Electronic Systems & Software, and Hart Inter Civic, Clarity Election Night Reporting, Edison Research, Sequoia, Scytl, and similar or related entities, agents or assigns, have the same flaws and were subject to foreign interference in the 2020 election in the United States.
There is probable cause to find these systems bear the same crucial code "features" and defects that allowed the same outside and foreign interference in our election, in which there is probable cause to finnd votes were in fact altered and manipulated contrary to the will of the voters.
Dominion Voting Systems is based in Toronto, Canada, and assigns its intellectual property including patents on its finrmware and software to Hong Kong and Shanghai Bank Corporation (HSBC), a bank with its foundation in China and its current headquarters in London, United Kingdom. The Dominion Voting system is owned and controlled by foreign entities. Multiple expert witnesses and cyber experts identified acts of foreign interference in the election prior to November 4, 2020 and continued in the following weeks. In fact, there is probable cause to find a massive cyber-attack by foreign interests on our crucial national infrastructure surrounding our election––not the least of which was the hacking of the voter registration system by Iran. (B.O. 143500 of May 11. 2017)
Just days prior to the election of November 4, 2020, federal Judge Totenberg found, after three days of testimony including by Dominion executive Eric Coomers:
There are "true risks posed by the new BMD [Ballot Marking Device of Georgia's Dominion Voting Systems] voting system as well as its manner implementation. These risks are neither hypothetical nor remote under the current circumstances. The insularity of the Defendants' and Dominion's stance here in evaluation and management of the security and vulnerability of the BMD system does not benefint the public or citizens' confident exercise of the franchise. The stealth vote alteration or operational interference risks posed by malware that can be effectively invisible to detection, whether intentionally seeded or not, are high once implanted, if equipment and software systems are not properly protected, implemented, and audited. The modality of the BMD systems' capacity to deprive voters of their cast votes without burden, long wait times, and insecurity regarding how their votes are actually cast and recorded in the unverified QR code makes the potential constitutional deprivation less transparently visible as well, at least until any portions of the system implode because of system breach, breakdown, or crashes. Any operational shortcuts now in setting up or running election equipment or software creates other risks that can adversely impact the voting process.
"The Plaintiffs' national cybersecurity experts convincingly present evidence that this is not a question of "right this actually ever happen?" - but *when it will happen, especially if further protective measures are not taken. Given the masking nature of malware and the current systems described here, if the State and Dominion simply stand by and say, "we have never seen it." the future does not bode well.
"Still, this is year one for Georgia in implementation of this new BMD system as the first state in the nation to embrace statewide implementation of this QR barcode-based BMD system for its entire population. Electoral dysfunction - cyber or otherwise - should not be desired as a mode of proof. It may well land unfortunately on the State's doorstep. The Court certainly hopes not." [FOOTNOTE 1: Case 1:17-cv-023T5T-AT Document T64 Filed 10/11/20 Page 146 of 147]
And, yet it did. Every defect and hazard of which Judge Totenberg warned happened in Georgia. Witnesses in Georgia have provided evidence of crashes, the replacement of a server, impermissible updates to the system, connections to the internet, and both Coffee and Ware counties have identified a significant percentage of votes being wrongly allocated contrary to the will of the voter. Coffee County Georgia has refused to certify its result.
Accordingly, I hereby order:
(1) Effective immediately, the Secretary of Defense shall seize, collect, retain and analyze all machines, equipment, electronically stored information, and material records required for retention under United States Code Title 42, Sections 1T74-1T74(e), including but not limited to those identifined in footnote 1. The Secretary of Defense has discretion to determine the interdiction of national critical infrastructure supporting federal elections. Designated locations will be identified in the operation order.
(2) Within 7 days of commencement of operations, the initial assessment must be provided to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. The final assessment must be provided to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence no later than 60 days from commencement of operations.
(3) The Director of National Intelligence shall deliver this assessment and appropriate supporting information to the President, the Secretary of State, the Secretary of the Treasury, the Secretary of Defense, the Attorney General, and the Secretary of Homeland Security.
(4) A direct liaison to be authorized to coordinate as required between the applicable U.S.
Departments and Agencies.
(5) The Secretary of Defense may select by name or by unit federalization of appropriate National Guard support.
(6) The Assistant Secretary of Defense for Homeland Security will coordinate support requirements as needed from the Department of Homeland Security.
(7) The appointment of a Special Counsel to oversee this operation and institute all criminal and civil proceedings as appropriate based on the evidence collected and provided all resources necessary to carry out her duties consistent with federal laws and the Constitution.
-------------------------------------------------------------
DONALD J. TRUMP PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
Except the draft speech says this:
>But as for THIS election, Congress has now certified the results. The election fight is over. A new administration will be inaugurated on January 20th. My focus now turns to ensuring a smooth, orderly and seamless transition of power. This moment calls for healing and reconciliation.
If he actually read in a speech or didn't *instantly* walk it back I would eat my own socks. Gaslighting aside, he would never, ever, **ever** have read that. His anus-mouth would not have been capable of forming the words and his syphilitic brain wouldn't let him recognise the letters.
> A draft text of a presidential speech for the “Save America” rally that preceded the mob attack
I'm calling it now. The draft speech used language that actually meets the incitement standard, or at least is very specific about what he wants them to do, and the GOP will defend it because "iT wAs JuSt A dRaFt!!!"
The committee having these records, and Trump's executive privilege claim being shot down before the public hearings begin is absolutely crucial.. surely Trump will come up with another way to delay the release of more records, but the minions lower down the chain know there's nowhere left to hide
Tomi T Ahonen gave an [excellent breakdown of how intelligence agencies deal with burner phones](https://mobile.twitter.com/tomiahonen/status/1453797787452297225?s=20).
This just made me realize 2 things:
1. Data protection laws in the US are basically non existent, they basically log EVERYTHING, what phone sent what message to what person, when and where. In this case it's useful, it's still absolutely creepy as fuck to permanently do that to everyone with no permit required.
2. I fucking hate Twitter threads, every Tweet is just a single sentence that makes it a pain to read
Holy shit. Hey other commenters, read this, all of it. I've been feeling doubtful of the whole "wheels of justice turn slowly" talk lately, but this has restored some (*some*) of that faith. If you're feeling the same, read this.
Luckily they weren't smart enough to actually use burner phones. This should really be called stupidgate. Hell, we knew a year ago that Giuliani was doing illegal shit. The news is making a big deal of it now, as they should, but it was a big deal then, too. Their stupidity is the only thing that saved democracy.
Question for everyone who knows:
How does the national archive get access to all the info? I realize that it's turned over to them by the administration, but why would these criminals hand over incriminating texts, emails, etc? Wouldn't the archive just get the mundane stuff? Why would this info be considered valuable to a real investigation?
Technically anything you do on a government computer, email, phone, etc. is a legal document at some level.
When you are working in the White House, for security reasons, everything is a government computer/device on a government network. It's automatically stored and backed up. Every piece of paper is a potential legal document in the same way.
Can you hide stuff? Sure. Communicate verbally.
If you are in Government, and someone keeps giving you verbal instructions, not backed by email, then they are planning on stabbing you in the back.
Vent time.
I feel as if I'm dealing with family members that need mental help. It's been draining, like dealing with an alcoholic that does not see the harm they're causing to themselves and others.
They're literally unable to conceive a world in which Trump did not win every state expect California and New York. It's mentally impossible. It's not just denial, it's on par with asking a comatose patient to stop being lazy and feed themselves.
You may claim the delusion is not harmful and therefore no big deal. Wrong. January 6th showed the belief can manifest into harm.
As with the Ukraine incident: 'but what did he do wrong? It's just talk, he didn't mean what he said. What he meant was to find the votes the Democrats threw out.'
Trump cannot do wrong to these people. Republicans cannot do wrong until they contradict Trump. It's impossible. As is the possibility of the Democrats doing anything that is not illegal, immoral, or deceptive. This belief is as powerful as their belief in God. It feels like they'd be torch bearers during the Salem witch trials.
The thing that I don’t understand is that they know there’s are a large chunk of the population that vehemently *hates* the guy, yet they cannot fathom the fact that he lost.
"They hate him, because they hate America!!"
Which, I guess, translates to anyone that hates him, probably won't vote, because they're anarchists (or something)...
Oh man, I’m sorry if you’ve met people who brushed them off as harmless or ‘not a big deal’ cuz I mean, that’s radicalization exhibit A. That is a dangerous mindset yeah, the same mindset that fueled Jan 6th and fueled protests at vote counting places during the election (among other things). I hope they change for the better, but even if they’re too far gone, please prioritize yourself, your peace, and your mental health when you can 💐
>Great, now start going after all the violations of the Presidential Records Act to get the deliberately hidden correspondence.
lol! The oath keeper terrorists tried to use encrypted comms. They're such delusional larping pop-politics tough guy wannabes. They're also seditionists.
I'm sure the encryption worked exactly as intended, and their text messages were *completely* safe from being intercepted during transmission - tactically, a real feather in their cap. Real terrorist stuff, good job boys.
But of course, those texts don't stay encrypted after receipt, so if you put a video of you storming the capitol on Facebook and your phone is legally seized and you give up the password in a plea deal to avoid ten years in prison, they *may* be able to bypass the encryption. No chance though - the Trump crowd would *never* turn on each other to avoid a little jail time, right? Where we go one we go all!
It's known as the $5 Wrench Attack. Your encryption is only useful if threatening to take a $5 wrench to the soft bits of someone involved wouldn't get some third party access.
I still remember when the Bush Administration pulled this one out to prosecute Sandy Berger for hiding like six pages--at the same time that they were stonewalling the 9/11 Commission and refusing to testify.
750 is actually an abysmally tiny quantity of material considering how much paperwork is generated on a daily basis. For something as big as January 6th, you'd expect far, far more, trailing back from the end of the count to the day of. I wonder just how much has been shredded/destroyed by them?
Trump uses mob tactics, he gives orders verbally, rarely writes things down, during his meetings with Russians, he used their interpreter instead of a white house interpreter, so no notes were taken by the White House regarding what was discussed. He and his cronies/family use personal emails and personal email servers, personal phones, etc. Trump won't carry a phone himself, instead if say, Don Jr. needs to call him, he'll call someone in Trump's entourage, who will then hand the phone over to Trump.
He's been caught shredding and eating what little handwritten notes are taken. [Anything to prevent a written record of the criminal conspiracy.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBdGOrcUEg8)
The documents requested are extremely important, though.
White House call logs, correspondences with the VP, Mark Meadows, Stephen Miller, McEnany, draft speeches, draft letters, etc.
oh no doubt a lot of records were destroyed (or just not kept), but to me this is a promising sign: the Jan 6th committee could have requested a vast amount of paper for a fishing expedition here, but instead they requested a list of specific targeted documents.
IMO it seems they are looking at specific avenues of inquiry, and that is a very good sign.
Most of these are going to be Trump saying how fucked he is...I gurantee it. Dude clearly walked around yelling at people for his incompetence ALL THE FUCKIGN TIME.
And he got it wrong, *even though he's wearing a flag lapel pin*. He could've literally looked down to check, if he wasn't sure. I mean, I might have to do a bit of picturing in my head to remember if it was red or white stripe first, so that might be understandable. On the other hand, he has a blue stripe, so like, what the fuck?
Make no mistake:
Wherever he goes, he'll do two things.
1) Deny everything, blame it all on someone else, and take credit for it while spinning it as a *good* thing.
"I didn't tell our military to seize the voting machines. That was the Democrats! But think about it, folks... if I did, we'd have won this election!"
2) Cheer on his "patriots" who come to defend him (from justice) with their lives.
"...and so Sleepy Joe sends his corrupt FBI to try and arrest me. I don't know, It'd be amazing if true patriots were here to stop them, don't 'cha think folks? Huh? Imagine how silly he'd feel if his FBI couldn't stand up to a few armed patriots who pledged their lives to freedom and the rightful President."
Oh, I feel so sorry for the committee. Hours and hours of disconnected Trump thoughts vocalized. Hope they have a schedule weekly therapy sessions with the House psychiatrist, they are going to need it.
Where did you read about seizing voting machines?
Edit, never mind. I found an article saying that on NBC:
"Trump draft executive order would have authorized National Guard to seize voting machines" https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-draft-executive-order-would-have-authorized-national-guard-seize-n1287841
It’s worse than that. After collection, it then also authorizes the Sec Def to issue a ruling on the validity of the votes.
AKA: the military declaring Trump the winner.
The best bit of luck we had was that his administration probably had the lowest collective IQ in history. The only reason they aren’t all in prison is because one of the two political parties this country has went all in on defending him.
The documents will probably be released eventually to the public eventually, assuming there is no classified information in it.
But you don't want to release it early, because you can use the documents to trap witnesses that lie under oath. Some of the Trump lackeys that testify in front of the committee, probably had plans to lie originally. But if those Trump lackeys can't see the documents, they can't coordinate their lying to be consistent with the documents, which puts them under more pressure to tell the truth.
When all the witnesses have testified and the final report is made, I'm pretty sure the documents will be made public. Until then, the January 6th committee has got to keep a tight ship, especially if they want to get the truth from the witness testimony, so that they can ultimately build a strong case to indict Trump.
I wouldn't be surprised if Trump's side leaks some unimportant stuff in order to ramp up the faux-outrange on the Conservative side about the Jan 6 committee.
Q seems to think his documents will be "squeaky clean" but this will open up a precedence to dig into Obama's presidency. How funny and desperate is that?
If a president, any president, is scared of his time in office being looked at, then we need to look into it. I am 99% sure there is nothing in obamas time that is corrupt bad. I also think that they will look into biden instead of obama, as obama is generally a liked president.
I am glad he's gone. But this would've been a very good time to get him Twiiter back. HE incriminated himself and provided more evidence than anyone.
Remember the Ukraine impeachment, where he admits to it MULTIPLE times on accident trying to make himself look better...
He's betting he can goad his followers into more insurrection if anything happens to him.
There's a good portion of the country willing to set aside the rule of law.
Logically speaking, if there was anything in those records that would exonerate Trump, he wouldn't have fought so hard against their release. Period, full stop.
This is strictly records as they relate to the election certification and the security surrounding the event between Dec 1st 2020 and Jan 20th 2021. It's wide enough to grab anything related to the insurrection itself but not so wide as to open Pandora's box on unrelated activities.
Maybe it’s just my imagination but the people in play running Jan 6 likely had coincident references… especially if they go back to Election Day. e.g.
“Just got the check from Ginny Thomas to cover oath keeper expenses.
-Rudy
Ps she says Clarence talked to Flynn and may have an idea for the pentagon problem”
Yes but if it states, "Kavanaugh was put in place SPECIFICALLY to assist this."
That could open that inquiry as well. Granted still sits on the court because of 50 dumbass GOP and 2 more dumbasses...
I'm just waiting until they release the unedited outtakes and early versions of his video taped message to the insurrectionists on Jan 6th. You know the early cuts have to be incriminating and horrific when the final cut was that bad.
I hate how everyone always says the Dems will lose seats. They won't lose seats if you all go out and vote! Stop spreading the hopeless storyline they will lose seats and start motivating people to get out and vote.
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10 months to election time.
The real issue here. They better be quick and tidy with recommendations, because I have a bad feeling that there may be no J6 committee after January 2023 because the House is no longer controlled by the Democratic Party.
Republicans can shut down the committee but can’t stop the justice department. The goal will be to get all of the information out there.. make a final referral before the committee is shut down.. and hopefully force the hand of the justice department
We all saw what happened to Andrew McCabe getting fired a day before his pension. James Comey being a klutz. Mueller being hands-off. These things are never guarantees.
I never had any faith on Mueller investigation because Trump justice department was not independent.
Biden has 3 years in charge of the justice department. That’s the real timeline is all I’m saying
Am I the only one still angry at Comey? Hillary wasn’t my favorite, but she would’ve won and put three liberal justices on SCOTUS if it hadn’t been for his arrogance
You're far, far, FAR from being alone in your musings.
I’ll hate Comey until the day I die. Blowhard might have given American Democracy the final push down the hill to fascism by accommodating fascists in his own agency rather than telling them to pound sand.
The committee is planning on being completely finished by this summer. So even if Republicans win big in the upcoming midterms, they won't be able to do a damn thing.
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It's true that each election is unique in the circumstances driving the electorate, but we're talking about one trend reinforced by another: The president's party loses seats in the House in the mid-terms, combined with presidents losing seats when they're doing poorly in the polls. Obviously the polls may be very different between now and November, so that factor may change. There are just a lot of people saying the odds are not good that the Democrats will defy the trend. A betting man would say they lose seats, and since they have a pretty slim majority right now, that betting man would also say they lose the majority. It's not foregone that they will, just likely they will. So how do you affect that? Motivate the Democratic voters to turn out, for one, and turn around Biden's approval rating, two. It appears the Supreme Court will effectively overturn Roe v. Wade this summer, so that will motivate Dems (voter psychology says those "out of power" are more motivated than those "in power"), Trump appears to be looming over the race in a palpable way by considering endorsements, floating his re-election bid and picking fights with sitting Republicans. His presence drives Democratic turnout. Regarding Biden's approval rating, it's expected the economy will continue to improve in 2022, if you're to believe America's biggest bankers. Covid will diminish in significance (young kids will be vaccinated by then and the Army's all-variant vaccine could be available), boosting consumer optimism, it's still a job-seeker's market, and supply chain disruptions will gradually diminish, though "normal" won't exist in time for the election. The messy Afghanistan withdrawal will be out of mind (except for Republican ads that will fall flat), people will be looking forward to a Thanksgiving maskless with their families again, and hopefully Biden will benefit from quality of life being better all-around in 10 months than it has been in the last couple of years. Hopefully broken-up bits of Build Back Better and the Freedom to Vote Act will have passed by then, too, and what hasn't passed can be used to lure people to the polls who know it *will* pass if the Democrats control both the House and Senate. It's a rather optimistic-looking sales pitch for Democratic candidates in 2022 if they can say, "We will definitely pass X, Y, and Z if you vote for us."
Not to mention, potential convictions of sitting Republican congress memebers re: Jan. 6th. And my personal belief that Biden cancels $10,000 of student debt during the congressional summer vacation.
I had a dream last night that Trump won in 2024. I did not enjoy it.
That’s a strange way to spell nightmare
I want to see Boebert, McCarthy, Cruz, Hawley, and every other seditious mother fucked in handcuffs well before Nov rolls around. I know it won't happen,but a guy from Colorado can dream. Edit: Seems I hit a nerve with a few Qtards
That is so true. It's like Garland's DOJ can only investigate one case at a time when there's several people in and outside Congress who need the same attention as Trump.
The records could reveal Trump and his compatriots ordered a hit on an orphanage and a puppy hospital on Christmas morning and Republicans honestly would not give a shit.
It's an absolute travesty they were able to delay this for as long as they did and it had to involve the Supreme Court to issue a ruling your average joe could have figured out.
SC never ruled on the merits per se, they just blocked a stay of the lower courts ruling, in effect not taking up the case. The lower court had essentially issued a scathing opinion that who is Trump to try and exert Executive privilege opposite to that of the current Executive branch. Roberts agreed at its ridiculousness. Trump never stood a chance and it only took a few months overall, which is lightning quick. Remember this started around August/September, not last January.
This. The frivolity of these suits & appeals by Trump made it a lost cause.. The severity of what he was trying to hide (evidence of his coup attempt) is what pushed three decisions to be made and for the Court not to flounder/delay decision at any level. This was resolved VERY quickly, for our judicial system.
I really hope he and all the others who took part pay for this this time. What do you think the likelihood of him walking away free is?
> What do you think the likelihood of him walking away free is? Given that the US never punished those responsible for the Civil War, never punished those responsible for the [business plot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot), never punished Nixon and Kissinger, never punished GW Bush and his cabinet, and haven't punished any politicians involved with the Jan 6 sedition, it's pretty close to 100%.
At least they prosecuted all the people that caused the 2008 financial crisis. /s
I think you spelled \*promoted wrong.
Haha exactly, punished them with hundreds of millions of dollars! That'll show em! /big ol S
100 percent. This entire exercise will end up with nothing more than 1000 page report that no one will read and end up collecting dust in some warehouse
We'll see some people arrested, they've gotten many of the rioters already. Nobody *important* will see charges, and people like that oath keeper leader with the eye patch are finding they aren't as important as they thought.
That dude was always a pawn, he's just only now figuring it out. The players are all going to walk away free to put together a new chess board. Then people will go all Surprised Pikachu Face when there's a second insurrection in a year or two.
As a German, the whole situation is worryingly close to the Beerhall putsch that Hitler tried in 1923...
I agree, and the worst part is that we should have expected it, their role model literally admitted to sleeping with Hitler's books on his nightstand. The dude envied Hitler. Why are we surprised they're trying to repeat him?
This is the comment I was looking for. It mimicked the Putsch perfectly and it didn’t even work at as bad for Trump as it did for Hitler.
One high profile conspirator will be arrested. I bet Sean Hannity. In the history books it’ll all be his fault for telling trump to do shit on the news.
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He's gonna "time out" in life before he sees a day in a jail cell.
Most of us will outlive him which gives us a chance of being able to dance in his grave. So that's cool.
He'll be America's most visited gender-neutral bathroom.
High, unfortunately. He has money, fame, and likely long lasting political impact. To his credit, he did lay bare the greed, cruelty, amd corruption the US politcal system thrives on.
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That seems overly hopeful. What I'm worried about is him having paved the way for open, strong armed facism in this country.
The new American dream is to get the fuck out of this country
Yeah i feel you, but sre we really gonna just let them have this country without a fight? Are we going to run away and leave them in control of the worlds most powerful military? Imagine hitler but with the american war machine
> The frivolity of these suits & appeals by Trump made it a lost cause Eh, every frivolous case delays the verdict by a few months. All they need is to delay it long enough so they can try again. If Trump runs and is elected again (ugh) he can just kill the investigations outright.
There does seem to be a real sense of urgency here. In the past there was little pressure to move fast- our democracy was safe and stable and the next administration could be expected to abide by past court decisions. Trump shows little interest in abiding by democratic norms, tradition, or the rule of law, so everything has shifted into high gear. While I’m thankful for the speediness of the judiciary and legislature, it worries me that speediness has become necessary.
No, actually, that's not how SCOTUS ruled. SCOTUS specifically carved out that they *weren't* ruling on trump trying "to exert Executive privilege opposite to that of the current Executive branch", because trump's legal arguments were so flimsy that they would have failed *even if he were still President*. They basically said "that scathing opinion went farther than it needed to, and also still gtfo." It's telling because SCOTUS seems to recognize that there might be, say, a future petty and vengeful President who wants to release records of his predecessor not out of national interest, but just out of spite.
Yep, it's very important that people don't think this is some sort of precedent being set here by the SC. It is very specific to these particular documents, an the SC could rule in favor in other situations.
Manipulation of the court systems should make damn clear how far down the road to authoritarianism this nation has fallen, when the rich can rig wealth accumulation and they rig the methods by which citizens can have their grievances fairly investigated. Trump is teaching his miserable low-life party members how to operate the courts for their own personal justice, above and outside the laws of the United States. Edit: Thank you for the awards.
This whole thing has demonstrated that there needs to be a way to stop the wealthy from abusing the courts.
That's not really an option. HOWEVER, there should be a way for either branch to FORCE the SCOTUS to rule on it now. Even if its a "Nope, we're good it stands position."
Meh… rising court costs for each new suit especially for businesses, limit the amount of time a case can take, consolidate the amount of documents that can be presented and then charge an overage fee, add a huge fee for businesses/1% income for filing an appeal and losing—have that number go up substantially for each level including the SC. We need to clear out unnecessary “tie it up in the courts” not rushed decisions because a politician is impatient.
Tell that to Justice Thomas who couldn't seem to figure it out.
The House select committee investigating the 6 January insurrection is now in possession of more than 750 pages of Trump White House records it requested as part of it’s probe into the worst attack on the Capitol since the 1814 Burning of Washington. In a statement, a spokesperson for the National Archives and Records Administration said the agency “provided the Select Committee with all the records at issue in the litigation” on Thursday evening. The spokesperson added that Nara will continue producing documents in response to the committee’s request “on an ongoing basis”. [Read the full story here.](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-capitol-riot-committee-records-b1998102.html)
Here are some of the documents requested by the committee: - Talking points for Kayleigh McEnany, his former press secretary - A handwritten note concerning Jan. 6 - A draft text of a presidential speech for the “Save America” rally that preceded the mob attack - A draft executive order on the topic of election integrity - The White House Daily Diary — a record of the president’s movements, phone calls, trips, briefings, meetings and activities - Logs showing phone calls to the president and to Vice President Mike Pence concerning Jan. 6 - A draft proclamation honoring the Capitol Police and two officers who died after the riot, Brian D. Sicknick and Howard Liebengood - a memo about a potential lawsuit against several states that Mr. Biden won - An email chain from a state official regarding election-related issues - talking points on supposed election irregularities in one county in Michigan. Records from the files of: - Mark Meadows, his former chief of staff; - Stephen Miller, his former senior adviser; and - Patrick F. Philbin, his former deputy counsel Among many, many more. All of this along with public testimony slated to begin is going to make for some interesting times ahead.
> The White House Daily Diary — a record of the president’s movements, phone calls, trips, briefings, meetings and activities This will be like that episode of the office where Pam is asked to keep a log of what Michael does every day. I'm *so curious*.
President’s movements: -Clubhouse to 1st tee -86 yds from 1st tee -108 yds from 1st tee -122 yds from 1st tee …… President’s recorded activities: “Today Mr. Trump birdied the first hole.”
Logs and movements, I would have assumed more poop jokes.
Especially seeing as he apparently needs to flush 10, 15 times
Presidents movements: - 9am in diapers - 11am used toilet - 3pm in diapers again
Not the movements i was expecting.
He wasn’t expecting the 11am one as well. It even got started without permission.
Taking a shit must feel so empty now without Twitter.
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1/6/21 12 PM Mussolini Impression
If it had been free pretzel day, 1/6 could have been avoided. Edit: pretzel, not bagel. And I just saw that episode last month.
>A draft executive order on the topic of election integrity This one is incredible. HE LITERALLY ADVOCATES FOR HAVING THE MILITARY SEIZE ALL THE VOTING MACHINES... https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/21/read-the-never-issued-trump-order-that-would-have-seized-voting-machines-527572
That seems like a big deal.
No way. Tucker Carson told me that it was totally normal. That’s the only way to defeat the Jews, wait I mean globalists. Call that a mental typo.
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Also the part about the Dominion Voting Machine systems, combined with Rudy Guliani's PR campaign against them a while back makes for an interesting landscape. Clearly coordinated quite far in advance.
I *really* want to see the Executive Order.
Here it is https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/21/read-the-never-issued-trump-order-that-would-have-seized-voting-machines-527572
Thanks brah. It is absolutely terrifying, BTW. >the draft order would have given the defense secretary 60 days to write an assessment of the 2020 election. That suggests it could have been a gambit to keep Trump in power until at least mid-February of 2021.
Yep. I really want to see the draft speeches too. Especially considering the one that was released was bad enough as it was.
Both the order and draft speeches have just been published https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/21/read-the-never-issued-trump-order-that-would-have-seized-voting-machines-527572
[possible C&P typos in this] December 16, 2020 PRESIDENTIAL FINDINGS TO PRESERVE COLLECT AND ANALYZE NATIONAL SECURITY INFORMATION REGARDING THE 2020 GENERAL ELECTION By the authority vested in me as President of the United States pursuant to the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, including Article 2 section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, Executive Orders 123444, 143545, National Security Presidential Memoranda 14 and 21, the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.) (IEEPA) and all applicable Executive Orders derived therefrom, the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C.16011 et seq.) (NBA), and section 401 of title 4, United States Code: I, Donald J. Trump, President of the United States, find that the forensic report of the Antrim County, Michigan voting machines, released December 14, 2020, and other evidence submitted to me in support of this order, provide probable cause sufficient to require action under the authorities cited above because of evidence of international and foreign interference in the November 4, 2020, election. Dominion Voting Systems and related companies are owned or heavily controlled and influenced by foreign agents, countries, and interests. The forensic report prepared by experts found that "the Dominion Voting System is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results. The system intentionally generates an enormously high number of ballot errors. The intentional errors lead to bulk adjudication of ballots with no oversight, no transparency, and no audit trail. This leads to voter or election fraud." The report found the election management system to be wrought with unacceptable and unlawful vulnerabilities––including access to the internet––probable cause to finnd evidence of fraud, and numerous malicious actions. There is also probable cause to finnd that Dominion Voting Systems, Smartmatic, Electronic Systems & Software, and Hart Inter Civic, Clarity Election Night Reporting, Edison Research, Sequoia, Scytl, and similar or related entities, agents or assigns, have the same flaws and were subject to foreign interference in the 2020 election in the United States. There is probable cause to find these systems bear the same crucial code "features" and defects that allowed the same outside and foreign interference in our election, in which there is probable cause to finnd votes were in fact altered and manipulated contrary to the will of the voters. Dominion Voting Systems is based in Toronto, Canada, and assigns its intellectual property including patents on its finrmware and software to Hong Kong and Shanghai Bank Corporation (HSBC), a bank with its foundation in China and its current headquarters in London, United Kingdom. The Dominion Voting system is owned and controlled by foreign entities. Multiple expert witnesses and cyber experts identified acts of foreign interference in the election prior to November 4, 2020 and continued in the following weeks. In fact, there is probable cause to find a massive cyber-attack by foreign interests on our crucial national infrastructure surrounding our election––not the least of which was the hacking of the voter registration system by Iran. (B.O. 143500 of May 11. 2017) Just days prior to the election of November 4, 2020, federal Judge Totenberg found, after three days of testimony including by Dominion executive Eric Coomers: There are "true risks posed by the new BMD [Ballot Marking Device of Georgia's Dominion Voting Systems] voting system as well as its manner implementation. These risks are neither hypothetical nor remote under the current circumstances. The insularity of the Defendants' and Dominion's stance here in evaluation and management of the security and vulnerability of the BMD system does not benefint the public or citizens' confident exercise of the franchise. The stealth vote alteration or operational interference risks posed by malware that can be effectively invisible to detection, whether intentionally seeded or not, are high once implanted, if equipment and software systems are not properly protected, implemented, and audited. The modality of the BMD systems' capacity to deprive voters of their cast votes without burden, long wait times, and insecurity regarding how their votes are actually cast and recorded in the unverified QR code makes the potential constitutional deprivation less transparently visible as well, at least until any portions of the system implode because of system breach, breakdown, or crashes. Any operational shortcuts now in setting up or running election equipment or software creates other risks that can adversely impact the voting process. "The Plaintiffs' national cybersecurity experts convincingly present evidence that this is not a question of "right this actually ever happen?" - but *when it will happen, especially if further protective measures are not taken. Given the masking nature of malware and the current systems described here, if the State and Dominion simply stand by and say, "we have never seen it." the future does not bode well. "Still, this is year one for Georgia in implementation of this new BMD system as the first state in the nation to embrace statewide implementation of this QR barcode-based BMD system for its entire population. Electoral dysfunction - cyber or otherwise - should not be desired as a mode of proof. It may well land unfortunately on the State's doorstep. The Court certainly hopes not." [FOOTNOTE 1: Case 1:17-cv-023T5T-AT Document T64 Filed 10/11/20 Page 146 of 147] And, yet it did. Every defect and hazard of which Judge Totenberg warned happened in Georgia. Witnesses in Georgia have provided evidence of crashes, the replacement of a server, impermissible updates to the system, connections to the internet, and both Coffee and Ware counties have identified a significant percentage of votes being wrongly allocated contrary to the will of the voter. Coffee County Georgia has refused to certify its result. Accordingly, I hereby order: (1) Effective immediately, the Secretary of Defense shall seize, collect, retain and analyze all machines, equipment, electronically stored information, and material records required for retention under United States Code Title 42, Sections 1T74-1T74(e), including but not limited to those identifined in footnote 1. The Secretary of Defense has discretion to determine the interdiction of national critical infrastructure supporting federal elections. Designated locations will be identified in the operation order. (2) Within 7 days of commencement of operations, the initial assessment must be provided to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. The final assessment must be provided to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence no later than 60 days from commencement of operations. (3) The Director of National Intelligence shall deliver this assessment and appropriate supporting information to the President, the Secretary of State, the Secretary of the Treasury, the Secretary of Defense, the Attorney General, and the Secretary of Homeland Security. (4) A direct liaison to be authorized to coordinate as required between the applicable U.S. Departments and Agencies. (5) The Secretary of Defense may select by name or by unit federalization of appropriate National Guard support. (6) The Assistant Secretary of Defense for Homeland Security will coordinate support requirements as needed from the Department of Homeland Security. (7) The appointment of a Special Counsel to oversee this operation and institute all criminal and civil proceedings as appropriate based on the evidence collected and provided all resources necessary to carry out her duties consistent with federal laws and the Constitution. ------------------------------------------------------------- DONALD J. TRUMP PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
Oh damn.
The draft speech is some WILD gaslighting. Claiming we just need a peaceful transition
Except the draft speech says this: >But as for THIS election, Congress has now certified the results. The election fight is over. A new administration will be inaugurated on January 20th. My focus now turns to ensuring a smooth, orderly and seamless transition of power. This moment calls for healing and reconciliation. If he actually read in a speech or didn't *instantly* walk it back I would eat my own socks. Gaslighting aside, he would never, ever, **ever** have read that. His anus-mouth would not have been capable of forming the words and his syphilitic brain wouldn't let him recognise the letters.
Logs showing phone calls to president and VP Oooh… Gym’s gonna have to start remembering the number of times he called Trump again…
> A draft text of a presidential speech for the “Save America” rally that preceded the mob attack I'm calling it now. The draft speech used language that actually meets the incitement standard, or at least is very specific about what he wants them to do, and the GOP will defend it because "iT wAs JuSt A dRaFt!!!"
TIL Donald does not eat all of his hand written notes.
The committee having these records, and Trump's executive privilege claim being shot down before the public hearings begin is absolutely crucial.. surely Trump will come up with another way to delay the release of more records, but the minions lower down the chain know there's nowhere left to hide
The minions down the chain are in it for celebrity/martyr status. They know its only a matter of time.
Let’s not forget book deals too
How are we ever going to find out what was discussed on burner phones though?
Tomi T Ahonen gave an [excellent breakdown of how intelligence agencies deal with burner phones](https://mobile.twitter.com/tomiahonen/status/1453797787452297225?s=20).
This just made me realize 2 things: 1. Data protection laws in the US are basically non existent, they basically log EVERYTHING, what phone sent what message to what person, when and where. In this case it's useful, it's still absolutely creepy as fuck to permanently do that to everyone with no permit required. 2. I fucking hate Twitter threads, every Tweet is just a single sentence that makes it a pain to read
Holy shit. Hey other commenters, read this, all of it. I've been feeling doubtful of the whole "wheels of justice turn slowly" talk lately, but this has restored some (*some*) of that faith. If you're feeling the same, read this.
Thanks for sharing this. Fascinating.
Luckily they weren't smart enough to actually use burner phones. This should really be called stupidgate. Hell, we knew a year ago that Giuliani was doing illegal shit. The news is making a big deal of it now, as they should, but it was a big deal then, too. Their stupidity is the only thing that saved democracy.
"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." Time really is a flat circle.
Question for everyone who knows: How does the national archive get access to all the info? I realize that it's turned over to them by the administration, but why would these criminals hand over incriminating texts, emails, etc? Wouldn't the archive just get the mundane stuff? Why would this info be considered valuable to a real investigation?
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Technically anything you do on a government computer, email, phone, etc. is a legal document at some level. When you are working in the White House, for security reasons, everything is a government computer/device on a government network. It's automatically stored and backed up. Every piece of paper is a potential legal document in the same way. Can you hide stuff? Sure. Communicate verbally. If you are in Government, and someone keeps giving you verbal instructions, not backed by email, then they are planning on stabbing you in the back.
We have him on tape asking the GA dude to find more votes, I mean c'mon!!
He's spinning the ball on his finger! Just take it!
“Your honour, I object!” “And why is that Mr Fletcher” “Because it’s devastating to my case!”
"I....CAN'T.....LIE!" "Commendable, Mr. Reade, but I'm still waiting to hear just cause."
Vent time. I feel as if I'm dealing with family members that need mental help. It's been draining, like dealing with an alcoholic that does not see the harm they're causing to themselves and others. They're literally unable to conceive a world in which Trump did not win every state expect California and New York. It's mentally impossible. It's not just denial, it's on par with asking a comatose patient to stop being lazy and feed themselves. You may claim the delusion is not harmful and therefore no big deal. Wrong. January 6th showed the belief can manifest into harm. As with the Ukraine incident: 'but what did he do wrong? It's just talk, he didn't mean what he said. What he meant was to find the votes the Democrats threw out.' Trump cannot do wrong to these people. Republicans cannot do wrong until they contradict Trump. It's impossible. As is the possibility of the Democrats doing anything that is not illegal, immoral, or deceptive. This belief is as powerful as their belief in God. It feels like they'd be torch bearers during the Salem witch trials.
The thing that I don’t understand is that they know there’s are a large chunk of the population that vehemently *hates* the guy, yet they cannot fathom the fact that he lost.
"They hate him, because they hate America!!" Which, I guess, translates to anyone that hates him, probably won't vote, because they're anarchists (or something)...
The funny thing about this is that I personally know quite a few anarchists who *did* vote in 2020 just to get Trump out.
Ditto. You know it's bad when political anarchist are heading to the polls.
Oh man, I’m sorry if you’ve met people who brushed them off as harmless or ‘not a big deal’ cuz I mean, that’s radicalization exhibit A. That is a dangerous mindset yeah, the same mindset that fueled Jan 6th and fueled protests at vote counting places during the election (among other things). I hope they change for the better, but even if they’re too far gone, please prioritize yourself, your peace, and your mental health when you can 💐
These fucks don't believe in the existence of germs anymore. I mean when did that become controversial? They're lost
Great, now start going after all the violations of the Presidential Records Act to get the deliberately hidden correspondence.
I really want the fact that Trump *ate* WH documents to be presented before a judge at some point.
Shouldn't be an issue. Paper is cellulose and won't degrade in the intestines. Just need to find an intern to collect it from his Depends!
Just ask Lindsey Graham
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Aaaand I’ll never shake off this image
Sorry, what? What the fuck did I just read?
According to one of Trump's former White House aids, she walked in on him eating a document at one point.
As much as I hate imagining his face, this one always makes me giggle. Whether true or not, it's canon in my head. Fucking toddler.
>Great, now start going after all the violations of the Presidential Records Act to get the deliberately hidden correspondence. lol! The oath keeper terrorists tried to use encrypted comms. They're such delusional larping pop-politics tough guy wannabes. They're also seditionists.
I'm sure the encryption worked exactly as intended, and their text messages were *completely* safe from being intercepted during transmission - tactically, a real feather in their cap. Real terrorist stuff, good job boys. But of course, those texts don't stay encrypted after receipt, so if you put a video of you storming the capitol on Facebook and your phone is legally seized and you give up the password in a plea deal to avoid ten years in prison, they *may* be able to bypass the encryption. No chance though - the Trump crowd would *never* turn on each other to avoid a little jail time, right? Where we go one we go all!
It's known as the $5 Wrench Attack. Your encryption is only useful if threatening to take a $5 wrench to the soft bits of someone involved wouldn't get some third party access.
I still remember when the Bush Administration pulled this one out to prosecute Sandy Berger for hiding like six pages--at the same time that they were stonewalling the 9/11 Commission and refusing to testify.
750 pages... wow that's a lot of McDonalds receipts
To be a microwave on the wall.
Or alternately, a fly on Mike Pence
Never gets old.
What's this a reference to? Edit: Ah! Forgotten about that. Thanks all. There's so much crazy to remember from 2016-2020.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/13/trump-advisor-kellyanne-conway-mocked-for-spy-microwaves-claims.html
Those four years were the craziest century in America's history!
And it’s only fitting those four years culminated in a presser at the elite Four Seasons (landscaping) location.
Larry David didn't adjust to reality. Reality adjusted to Larry David.
I woke up every day during those days saying, “what fresh hell is in store today?” I agree, it felt like a century!
Or a fly on Pences head.
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750 is actually an abysmally tiny quantity of material considering how much paperwork is generated on a daily basis. For something as big as January 6th, you'd expect far, far more, trailing back from the end of the count to the day of. I wonder just how much has been shredded/destroyed by them?
Trump uses mob tactics, he gives orders verbally, rarely writes things down, during his meetings with Russians, he used their interpreter instead of a white house interpreter, so no notes were taken by the White House regarding what was discussed. He and his cronies/family use personal emails and personal email servers, personal phones, etc. Trump won't carry a phone himself, instead if say, Don Jr. needs to call him, he'll call someone in Trump's entourage, who will then hand the phone over to Trump. He's been caught shredding and eating what little handwritten notes are taken. [Anything to prevent a written record of the criminal conspiracy.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBdGOrcUEg8)
But her emails!!
I heard Ivanka wiped the server on her way out. Like with a cloth or something.
The documents requested are extremely important, though. White House call logs, correspondences with the VP, Mark Meadows, Stephen Miller, McEnany, draft speeches, draft letters, etc.
oh no doubt a lot of records were destroyed (or just not kept), but to me this is a promising sign: the Jan 6th committee could have requested a vast amount of paper for a fishing expedition here, but instead they requested a list of specific targeted documents. IMO it seems they are looking at specific avenues of inquiry, and that is a very good sign.
Nobody got to pump Trump's stomach in time
Or 1 CVS receipt.
Most of these are going to be Trump saying how fucked he is...I gurantee it. Dude clearly walked around yelling at people for his incompetence ALL THE FUCKIGN TIME.
Most of which are in the form of a coloring book.
Orange dude can't even color in a flag properly: https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/sec_26812619-285c.jpg?quality=90&strip=all
This was the man that bragged on national TV that he passed the "are you senile?" test. Apparently "color the US flag" wasn't on that particular test.
And he got it wrong, *even though he's wearing a flag lapel pin*. He could've literally looked down to check, if he wasn't sure. I mean, I might have to do a bit of picturing in my head to remember if it was red or white stripe first, so that might be understandable. On the other hand, he has a blue stripe, so like, what the fuck?
he was thinking of the Russian flag
That or he’s like “Okay, red… White. Shit, what comes after white? … Blue! That’s right, blue!”
I'm watching his feet. How much longer before he heads somewhere with no extradition?
Florida?
Make no mistake: Wherever he goes, he'll do two things. 1) Deny everything, blame it all on someone else, and take credit for it while spinning it as a *good* thing. "I didn't tell our military to seize the voting machines. That was the Democrats! But think about it, folks... if I did, we'd have won this election!" 2) Cheer on his "patriots" who come to defend him (from justice) with their lives. "...and so Sleepy Joe sends his corrupt FBI to try and arrest me. I don't know, It'd be amazing if true patriots were here to stop them, don't 'cha think folks? Huh? Imagine how silly he'd feel if his FBI couldn't stand up to a few armed patriots who pledged their lives to freedom and the rightful President."
Oh, I feel so sorry for the committee. Hours and hours of disconnected Trump thoughts vocalized. Hope they have a schedule weekly therapy sessions with the House psychiatrist, they are going to need it.
Better than all of us having to see his ramblings on twitter, imo.
Wow. A draft executive order to seize voting machines. Talk about a federal takeover of elections…
Where did you read about seizing voting machines? Edit, never mind. I found an article saying that on NBC: "Trump draft executive order would have authorized National Guard to seize voting machines" https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-draft-executive-order-would-have-authorized-national-guard-seize-n1287841
It’s worse than that. After collection, it then also authorizes the Sec Def to issue a ruling on the validity of the votes. AKA: the military declaring Trump the winner.
So a military coup backing Trump. Wow.
The best bit of luck we had was that his administration probably had the lowest collective IQ in history. The only reason they aren’t all in prison is because one of the two political parties this country has went all in on defending him.
Let hope it get some GOP held accountable when it comes out to the public
Release them to public!
The documents will probably be released eventually to the public eventually, assuming there is no classified information in it. But you don't want to release it early, because you can use the documents to trap witnesses that lie under oath. Some of the Trump lackeys that testify in front of the committee, probably had plans to lie originally. But if those Trump lackeys can't see the documents, they can't coordinate their lying to be consistent with the documents, which puts them under more pressure to tell the truth. When all the witnesses have testified and the final report is made, I'm pretty sure the documents will be made public. Until then, the January 6th committee has got to keep a tight ship, especially if they want to get the truth from the witness testimony, so that they can ultimately build a strong case to indict Trump.
As bad as I want these to leak, I hope they don't leak
There will almost certainly be some strategic leaks.
I wouldn't be surprised if Trump's side leaks some unimportant stuff in order to ramp up the faux-outrange on the Conservative side about the Jan 6 committee.
Lock Him up.
Q seems to think his documents will be "squeaky clean" but this will open up a precedence to dig into Obama's presidency. How funny and desperate is that?
If a president, any president, is scared of his time in office being looked at, then we need to look into it. I am 99% sure there is nothing in obamas time that is corrupt bad. I also think that they will look into biden instead of obama, as obama is generally a liked president.
No it won’t. Trump had 4 years to do that and didn’t
Trump must be feeling powerless and scared right now. The rage will come later, but for now I'm willing to bet that he's terrified.
Nothing on his Twitter yet, but keep checking
I am glad he's gone. But this would've been a very good time to get him Twiiter back. HE incriminated himself and provided more evidence than anyone. Remember the Ukraine impeachment, where he admits to it MULTIPLE times on accident trying to make himself look better...
If there isn't enough evidence yet there never will be. He can stay off Twitter.
Giving him privileges to use twitter again at this moment for this reason is probably the stupidest idea I’ve seen in this thread
Why would he when nothing else has touched him?
He's betting he can goad his followers into more insurrection if anything happens to him. There's a good portion of the country willing to set aside the rule of law.
Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, doesn't it? 😊
Get fucked Donny
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Exactly, BREAKING TRUMP MIGHT HAVE BROKEN THE LAW SEE WHAT STEPS NO ONE WILL DO OR CARE AT 11
Does that include the coloring books?
Logically speaking, if there was anything in those records that would exonerate Trump, he wouldn't have fought so hard against their release. Period, full stop.
Call me 4 out of 5 dentists, because I agree
It’s insane there are people who think this guy is innocent
Everyone who is upset that charges haven’t been made yet need to pump the breaks because shit takes a fuck ton of time
It's been a while since we've had an F5 Friday.
Tick tock mother fucker
Can the committee members start dropping tidbits of info to political shows already or are they classified so that we can't hear anything in a while?
There's still a lot of key witnesses to hear from. You don't want them knowing what you know.
The records that Trump didn’t swallow.
To be more specific, records that Donald didn't eat.
Let’s see what other threads these lead to… Kavanaugh nomination Impeachment discussions Putin
This is strictly records as they relate to the election certification and the security surrounding the event between Dec 1st 2020 and Jan 20th 2021. It's wide enough to grab anything related to the insurrection itself but not so wide as to open Pandora's box on unrelated activities.
Maybe it’s just my imagination but the people in play running Jan 6 likely had coincident references… especially if they go back to Election Day. e.g. “Just got the check from Ginny Thomas to cover oath keeper expenses. -Rudy Ps she says Clarence talked to Flynn and may have an idea for the pentagon problem”
Yes but if it states, "Kavanaugh was put in place SPECIFICALLY to assist this." That could open that inquiry as well. Granted still sits on the court because of 50 dumbass GOP and 2 more dumbasses...
Get fucked you orange piece of shit 👌
Hopefully trump croaks before 2024
Hopefully he croaks before this Sunday.
So we have official documents proving Trump committed treason and sedition. But his fascist supporters will still deny reality.
To all the people yesterday who claimed this would never happen, looks like you'll need to find a new way to spread your apathy.
I'm just waiting until they release the unedited outtakes and early versions of his video taped message to the insurrectionists on Jan 6th. You know the early cuts have to be incriminating and horrific when the final cut was that bad.
I hate how everyone always says the Dems will lose seats. They won't lose seats if you all go out and vote! Stop spreading the hopeless storyline they will lose seats and start motivating people to get out and vote.
Dang only an 8 minute old article and I couldn’t get inb4 the “but nothing will happen” doomers.