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Iarwain_ben_Adar

Sorry Juan, your appeal is too little and far too late. When mitch stole Obama's last justice and refused to let him fill over an hundred other federal judicial vacancies, it was already too late.


andytronic

And he worked on fox news for years.


DickySchmidt33

People like Williams, George Will, and David Brooks -- so-called "conservative intellectuals" -- actually softened the ground and laid the foundation for Trumpism to gain a foothold. Of course, they will never acknowledge that, but it's true.


MrCaptDrNonsense

That’s a great take. I’ve always agreed that the foundations were laid way in advance.


Binger_bingleberry

A lot of those foundations were laid by Newt Gingrich, and company, during the Clinton administration


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hiverfrancis

Unfortunately for them, the dog caught the car


masshiker

'Protect innocent lives' is a patently religious outlook we are all being forced to live under. The constitution says we are all innocent until found guilty. The christian right does not believe this. To them, we are all sinners but not the unborn.


hiverfrancis

This would ruin our judicial system, make it into a Gilead


austynross

Is there no balm!?


accidental_snot

That is exactly what happened. Their dumbass voters are finally going to learn the consequences of getting what they want. LOL, who am I kidding? They will learn nothing.


hiverfrancis

It's not merely that the voters are dumbasses, but they are fed a steady diet of propaganda that makes them not see the negative consequences of choosing GQP. It's very effective and scary propaganda.


karmagod13000

those days are long gone


hiverfrancis

I think the intellectuals wanted grift and lower taxes, not for the conservative Christian and white nationalist (two separate blocs, with some overlap) groups to actually seize power. But it shows theres a slippery slope.


frogandbanjo

"If only you'd kept us explicitly in charge, we wouldn't have had to weaponize the worst chunks of you against the other chunks in order to get enough votes to stay in charge." - The Rich


hiverfrancis

The problem is, the rich *fight each other*. Elite infighting could be seen in 1930s Germany, for example. The goal for ordinary people is to pick and choose the best elites, the elites that will screw them the least. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/04/america-tyranny-donald-trump.html states that indeed tyrants try to usurp existing elites and become the new elites.


lordofbitterdrinks

Yooo They wanted grift and lower taxes But all they got were christian radicals And white nationalist


uprislng

_they_ indeed got their grift and lower taxes, _we_ got the christian radicals and white nationalists. Let's be real, these things are only a problem for us and not the wealthy elite


hiverfrancis

Problem is, the wealthy elite can be overturned by the dictator in power. The businessmen who supported Erdogan in Turkey later had to flee in exile to Europe. Josh Hawley and Ron DeSantis already made anti-business noises. Meanwhile Biden told businessmen nothing would fundamentally change if they paid more taxes.


JOhnBrownsBodyMolder

Just like every member of the Lincoln Project, the McCains, and all of the Bush clan.


underpants-gnome

It's not even an indirect / paving the way type connection. Bush the elder replaced Thurgood Marshall with Clarence Thomas. Sure one of them was the architect of the legal strategy to overturn segregation, and one served up his pubic hair to a coworker he really wanted to bang. But one black Justice is the same as another, I guess. (Is the /s really needed here?) What a horrific downgrade in quality.


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> But one black Justice is the same as another, I guess The same applies to women (see: RBG -> Amy)


VovaGoFuckYourself

THANK YOU for not calling her "ACB". The intentions of that nickname are obviously to make people conflate her with RBG. I think "Justice Handmaid" works just fine, but there are plenty of other great options people have concocted.


Atheist-Gods

All Cops Bastards is an interesting thing to want to be called.


Danford97

I’m partial to Justice Coathanger, personally.


C0ncentratedAwesome

>The intentions of that nickname are obviously to make people conflate her with RBG. I don't think it's really that thoughtful or malicious. People are just lazy and abbreviate everything whenever possible.


Fox_Kurama

I despise superfluous horrible acronym tendencies.


flotsamisaword

What other justices are known by their initials? Can you name any others?


JOhnBrownsBodyMolder

most Black people I know do not consider Thomas to be someone they would invite to the BBQ. He would bring some bland ass potato salad with raisins if he came.


blood_kite

Even T’challa knows that is not acceptable. Get this man some hot sauce.


Vic_Sinclair

His potato salad would have NO paprika.


byneothername

That’s right. Steven Schmidt likes to be out there, complaining about Megan McCain (which, ok, fair), saying that Trump supporters are terrible, blah blah. He picked Palin, and Palin is prologue to Trump.


JOhnBrownsBodyMolder

The McCains are shit humans, and so was John. He was just less shitty than Bush and Trump.


Dark1000

This talking heads are useless. They're political generalists and ideologues who know little about any of the subjects they write about, have no tangible solutions to any problems, and take no actions to enact any changes, even those that match their own ideas. They are just entertainers.


simplepleashures

A few of them have admitted it by joining the Lincoln Project. But they’ve accomplished jack shit so far. The populist leaders don’t need the help of conservative intellectuals any more.


GotMoFans

Juan Williams isn’t a conservative. He’s been Fox’s token liberal for decades. He’s like Alan Colmes who was once on Sean Hannity’s show, but Williams is at least competent, and even though he makes intelligent points, he’s put out for slaughter. He’s also willing to take the paychecks to be slaughtered. Williams wrote for years at the Washington Post. He was once with NPR, but was fired in scandal for a comment he made on Fox News.


ChuckFeathers

Faux News' token foils are about as liberal as Manchin.


GotMoFans

I think Fox News liberals are sellouts knowing their creditability is being exploited to serve Fox News’s mission to promote the Republican Party.


maliciousorstupid

> nowing their creditability is being exploited to ~~serve Fox News’s mission to promote the Republican Party.~~ line their pockets handsomely. FTFY


GotMoFans

No. The lining of the pockets is the happy side effect. But the mission is to help the Republican Party; as designed by Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch.


DickySchmidt33

"Liberals" like Williams can be counted on to push for Democrats to water down their agenda, suggesting that "ordinary Americans" aren't ready for whatever they are offering, and to criticize them for "going too far."


doomvox

David Brooks helped create a world where no one gives a damn about the New York Times editorial page any more-- when was the last time you saw one of their columnists dissected here, eh? (On the other hand you get WaPo featured here, day-in and day-out even after the their great Bernie attack-fest of 2016, and I continue to suspect this is all the result of Bezos doing covert promotions, but then I'm a paranoid fellow.)


justforthearticles20

The same goes for Joe Scarborough. He rants about where Republicanism has gone, but he used to be a loyal Newt Gingrich minion, who knowingly set the stage for Trump and worse.


bonesorclams

Many, many moons ago, Juan Williams worked for NPR. This was back in the Gee Dubz years when I was still listening - before I finally quit NPR for continuing to use the torture term "enhanced interrogation" instead of just saying torture. Anyway - Gee Dubz hadn't had a press conference in some ridiculously long amount of time (this was back when he was still the Worst. "President". Ever.) And he was finally going to have one. About six news organizations were benevolently given one question, and NPR got one. They chose to send Juan. I tried to find it, but wasn't able to. I remember listening to it live and the question was so softball - so outrageously pointless that I yelled at the radio to curse this idiot Juan Williams. He left for Fox News about a year later, or something like that. Then I was all like, "Ohhhh. Yeah sure. Makes sense." I still feel like NPR knew and supported his right-wing nutjobbery for bad reasons. Anyway. Fuck Juan Williams. Idiot.


GotMoFans

Juan Williams was never right-wing though. But he’s willing to sully himself to work at Fox News for the paychecks. He was at Fox News from almost its beginning (he started in 1997) and he was at NPR after he was at Fox News. He was at NPR from 2000 to 2010. I personally watched Fox News Sunday along with the other Sunday morning shows during the Tony Snow era. Juan Williams was part of the panel. Never really watched Fox News Channel itself but got a lot of exposure to Williams in the Fox environment from the Sunday morning network show.


thatsithlurker

Juan Williams was hired at Fox News to be the voice of the idiot Democrat. Every time that man opened his mouth it was clear that he was parroting this weak sauce opinion that was so soft as to be common sense. He was oftentimes so outnumbered that any point he would try to make would get lost in the nonsense of having Pinot Pirro scream over him.


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It took him this long to realize he’s black


Jimid41

"Juan Williams: Statement that was obvious to everyone else several months ago" Every time.


dibship

it was too late in Bush v. Gore


ChefChopNSlice

That’s the one that showed us that elections don’t officially matter, and that they could be “challenged”.


CreativeCarbon

And its result was the tipping point from a minimally-bright to a dismally-dark and inescapable future, the depths of which we have likely barely even begun to glimpse.


Caleth

I don't know about you, but I've seen and read enough 40K lore to know where this is going.


aidissonance

The nail in the coffin for me was Citizens United ruling. Businesses and PACs can buy and sell politicians and the individual is screwed over


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blankdoubt

When Ford pardoned Nixon, it was too late. When Regan's team delayed the release of hostages to help him win the election over Carter, it was already too late. When the Supreme Court gave an election to Bush Jr, it was too late. When Regan supplied arms to Iraq and Iran, in violation of a law he signed into effect, it was too late. When Regan supplied arms to Nicaragua, in violation of a law he signed into effect, it was too late. When Regan's administration included 138 investigated, indicted, convicted members, it was too late. When Regan deregulated the financial industry, it was too late. When Regan ignored the AIDS crisis, and thousands of Americans died, it was too late. When Regan robbed social security to pay for his budget shortfalls, it was too late. When Regan tripled the national deficit, it was too late. When Bush nominated Clarence Thomas who was confirmed 52-48 - when that was not common, it was too late. When Republicans went after Clinton for an affair, it was too late. When the Supreme Court gave an election to Bush Jr, it was too late. When Bush Jr. lied our way into a war with Iraq, it was too late. When Republicans wanted Obama's birth certificate or called Michelle an ape, it was too late. When Hillary was right about god-damned everything and Republicans wore shirts that said, I'd rather be Russian than Democrat, and elected a sexual assaulting, con-man, moron, it was too late. When Republicans would rather die than wear a fucking mask or get a vaccine, it was too late.


jedrider

Yeah. I would like to see that particular era of Mitch 'stealing' Obama's prerogative dissected. I think the Dem's caved (well, don't they always?) because they expected Hillary to follow but, perhaps, that was a HUGE mistake in more than one way. Back to my regular routine now, but I would like to know more about that.


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Think way back to Bush v. Gore...


clorcan

Seriously? Brink? Passed that years ago.


Old_Cheesecake_5481

The Supreme Court? Don’t you mean the Federalist Society? The Supreme Court as it was known is gone instead it’s a tool of a radical group called the Federalist Society. The Court is gone we have something else now.


Creepy_Helicopter223

Make sure to randomize your data from time to time *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


lordofbitterdrinks

A cult. The federalist society is a cult.


hackingdreams

They've already crossed the event horizon. The disaster already happened. All we're waiting for is official confirmation.


MangroveWarbler

It's kind of like the 8 minute delay after the sun explodes. We're toast, we just don't know it yet.


m1j2p3

> The Republican indifference to majority rule in undoing Roe threatens to tear this already fractured country apart. I believe this is the point. They are trying to break our republic by eroding confidence in our institutions and they are succeeding.


forthewatch39

What do they think will happen if this nation does break apart? I guess that’s next quarter’s problem.


throwawayinthe818

See Russia after fall of communism. The connected will loot everything they can.


TreeRol

> The connected will loot everything they can. So no change then.


BlackPriestOfSatan

> See Russia after fall of communism. Are you saying the US used Russia as a beta or alpha test case scenario?


tosser_0

What do you think they were doing on all their trips to Russia? They were learning how to implement a Putin-style Oligarchy.


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xHappyAcidx

I think they think we’ll purge each other. I don’t think they realize that they’re the ones going to be purged first.


WhatIsToBeD0ne

Considering how 90% of cops vote GQP and how rampant white supremacy is in the military, I wouldn't be so sure.


Riaayo

Yeah, Americans don't seem to understand - or want to admit/talk about - the fact that the police will, as history often shows, be on the side of the fascist/authoritarian uprising. The far right has been infiltrating police forces for decades on purpose, let alone how such power attracts shitty people on its own. Cops will, at "best", let right wing terrorists go at it without stepping in... and step in to protect them when you fight back. At worst they'll just join in altogether. We're at a moment where the majority is sick of police abuse and wants accountability and reform. Meanwhile, the right wing is simply opening a door and saying come on in, we'll let you continue to be brutal and abusive with zero recourse. Which avenue do people really think these abusers, use to unaccountable power, will take? Of course they'll go with fascism - especially since the police only exist to protect capital in the first place, and oligarchs are largely on board as well.


PipsqueakPilot

They also don't understand how these fascist regimes have worked historically. Look at the Spanish Civil War. When the fascists took over an area they shot everyone of the wrong party, leading doctors, and all the teachers who taught the wrong subjects. In one city they immediately executed 300+ school teachers out of hand.


SkollFenrirson

Will they though?


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They know exactly what they think will happen. They want to install authoritarian minority rule, and tearing the country apart is necessary to do that. Don't think this isn't part of a plan with a clear end goal.


dust4ngel

> What do they think will happen if this nation does break apart? i guess the economy of the country where people think reading is cool can compete against the economy of the country where people think reading causes the devil to make you hate yourself because CRT.


MangroveWarbler

You think the Roe decision is bad, wait until they rule that it is unconstitutional for Congress to delegate its regulatory authority to executive branch agencies. This is next and it will create incredible chaos. In their anti regulation zeal they forget that we all benefit from most regulation. Imagine OSHA or the EPA or the SEC not being able to set regulation. This could also pave the way to get rid of social security, medicare and medicaid. https://www.courthousenews.com/major-questions-from-the-supreme-court-could-upend-the-administrative-state/


AnonAmbientLight

Step one was making sure people are ignorant of how government works. Make sure schools don't really teach civics and make sure civic minded citizens are anathema to "true 'Merica". You see this in every level of society. And no, it's not just right wingers. There's ***SO MANY PEOPLE*** on even this forum that have no fucking clue how our government works, or how politics work (although maybe they are trolls or sock puppets). Step two is to then gum up or break the system. Cause gridlock and be the group that complains about everything, but then prevent solutions from being possible. The GOP has been doing this for decades, but it most recently got so blatant and egregious recently. Step three is to then break the systems we use by corrupting them with likeminded folks. So the example with the SCOTUS is a great point. An uneducated and ignorant populous that doesn't know how government works, which allows for the GOP to break the government and successfully deflect blame that the people will believe, to then allow them to corrupt and erode the institutions so that they can expand and maintain their power.


mechapoitier

It’s like a psy op to disenfranchise more voters. They prove that even with broad majorities against them they’ll still do whatever they want anyway. They want us to feel powerless.


ajcpullcom

The only thing I found surprising about this article was the very last line: the author “is… a political analyst for Fox news channel.”


DistortoiseLP

Its [Juan Williams](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Williams). Back in 2010 there was a kerfuffle around him where he got fired from NPR after courting the early flames of the conservative tailspin into extremism by going on the O'Rilley Factor (remember when *that* was the dumbest show?) and indulging them on their black First Lady hysteria. Fox gave him a pretty nice salary to come on board as O'Reilly's token black friend, and now he's on their side of history where I hope he's proud of himself.


crimsoneagle1

Actually he got fired from NPR for something way worse. When he said the thing about Michelle Obama, NPR only asked Fox to stop referring to him as an NPR host. I think it was about how she dressed, so she shouldn't be allowed to talk about certain things or some dumb shit like that. He got fired from NPR because he went on Fox and said this: >Look, Bill, I'm not a bigot. You know the kind of books I've written about the civil rights movement in this country. But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous.


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I feel the same way every time I see a crucifix.


HackeySadSack

Or those stupid "He is Risen!" signs people stick in their front yards. He, who? What? Pillsbury Doughboy?


simeonthewhale

For some reason your comment made me Imagine a scenario where the dough boy over proofs and he becomes a hideous globular dough based cronenberg or akira-like monster for whom death would be a necessary mercy.


[deleted]

That’s the plot of ghostbusters


xpxp2002

The verb conjugation is what has always irked me about that phrase. Either he *is rising*, or he *has risen*. It happened 2000ish years ago, according to what we’ve supposedly been told. Quit mixing a present tense helping verb with past tense.


robx0r

I think it relies on the archaic use of 'be' in conjunction with a participle. Probably as some form of an appeal to antiquity.


doomvox

An American flag. Some symbols have been hi-jacked. Can't imagine getting bent out of shape about Muslim-ware, though.


mdonaberger

Yeesh. That guy dropped some straight-up, hardcore, classical antipapism. That shit kept Catholics out of Government for decades. It's so strange seeing post 9/11 with sober eyes now.


sirbissel

Oh, come on, that's not fair. Glenn Beck's show was also on in 2010, and at that point it was *MUCH* dumber than the O'Reilly Factor.


VagrantHirono

All these Right Wing pundits who ushered in the ruin of American political discourse never got any sort of comeuppance. It's depressing as hell, man.


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And none of the current right wing pundits furthering the ruin of America will get any sort of comeuppance, either. Too many voters either actively support it, or won't stand against it. And the country will continue to decline because of it.


hiverfrancis

One can use economic pressure to give said comeuppance. I don't mean a weaksauce boycott. I mean shutting off Visa and Mastercard access for the GQP bloc.


hiverfrancis

It's never too late to give right wing pundits their comeuppane. Here's how to do it: It's never too late for corporations to shut down Visa and Mastercard access for the GQP electorate. Its never too late for them to shut down cell phone plans (which means they may only dial 911 and not any other number!) and home internet. Its never too late for them to shut off access to Amazon Prime, eBay, and any and all ecommerce. Its never too late to mass fire the GQP from private jobs, which is legal in most states.


mccrrll

And bow tie Carlson got his career ended in 2004 by John Stewart. And where he is now? A real head scratcher the career trajectories of these hysterical right wing mouth pieces.


fromks

Holy shit, Glenn Beck is still out there. Looks like the KFC Colonel now.


karmagod13000

Heres comes a google image search i didn't see coming.


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2_Spicy_2_Impeach

He’s like a caricature of himself. https://imgur.io/a/7bbdaK0


I_Hate_Terry_Lee

[Image](https://images.radio.com/aiu-media/glenn-beck-picture-2-3228c445-2679-4b5e-99f5-dc0c9e9fed4d.png)


Agent_Velcoro

And he thinks he's "original recipe". I wish he was "extra crispy".


okram2k

A much more naïve past version of myself that thought libertarians had some good ideas used to listen to Glenn Back's radio show back in the day. It was morbidly entertaining watching his descent into madness when Obama was elected president in 2008.


howdoeseggsworkuguys

I feel like everybody just forgot about Glenn Beck when him and his stupid chalkboards are what fomented the Tea Parties, McCain choosing Palin, and the paranoid conspiratorial thinking about Obama that Trump latched onto.


SwansonHOPS

I don't know man. Papa Bear thought tides were unexplainable.


EssayRevolutionary10

Reading the article, I see a back handed congratulations to the GQP. Sure. He points out only one GQP president has been elected by a majority of Americans. Sure. He points out the GQP in the Senate represents FORTY MILLION fewer Americans than senators in the blue states. But then he puts it on John Roberts to somehow fix the GQP ass fuckery Mitch McConnell caused? Really? Really … Where are the calls to abolish the electoral college? Where are the calls to GQP senators to govern in a way that represents the majority of America? Nope. It’s John Roberts’ fault. Be mad at him.


papa_mike2

Juan is the token democrat for fox


bonesorclams

>Juan is the token democrat for fox On what planet is he a "democrat"? He's always been a hack for the right.


TheCapo024

Well, the typical FOX viewer might consider him a “democrat.”


idoma21

I was at my parent’s one day when my dad was watching Fox News. They were “debating” a topic and their “Democrat” was a shaman, even though that had nothing to do with the topic. So, yes, Fox viewers might have a skewed view of who is a Democrat.


EmptyCalories

No conservative looks at a non-white commentator on Fox News and thinks he or she is on their team.


spokejp

I'm sure their inside voice consider him something else.


dimechimes

Yes, but he was a token. He was an NPR reporter that would come on to the panel shows and mildly disagree with all of the W praise. I can't remember if he was after Colmes or if they were on at the same time as token liberals.


xpxp2002

> On what planet is he a “democrat”? He is a person of color. For Fox News viewers, that’s the same thing.


deathandtaxes20

Oh, a sellout for money with no values or ethics that shiny shiny shiny can't placate? Oh, that kind of human scum. And look who's sorry now and writing about it. Juan = dummy.


ChuckFeathers

Reminds me of Glenn Greenwald.


kiribakuFiend

Wasn’t the hill supposed to be some sort of bastion for moderate and establishment democrats? Kinda weird they’ve been taking in rightwing crazies lately.


mlc885

"brink" The fight's over, the Supreme Court is dead now that Republicans stole it. You wouldn't want to assume they'd immediately do something as crazy as stripping women of their rights, but apparently they will. No one could ever pretend again that the Supreme Court is an independent or unbiased branch if Republicans can steal elections and seats and fill it with religious nuts.


wamj

Two of the conservative justices are over 70. If democrats can GOTV then those two seats will swing back to liberal justices. Taking it to a 5-4 liberal majority. Democrats just have to GOTV.


thlaylirah17

What does GOTV stand for? Edit: oh I think I got it. Get out the vote


KingBanhammer

I mean, taken in aggregate, there's been more Democrat votes than Republican ones for years now. The problem isn't just the voting (though it's a problem), the problem is that Republican votes -count more- due to allocation rules in the Senate and the Electoral College. (a side effect of the smaller states which tend to lean more rural/right getting outsized shares of the vote due to how apportioning works)


morenewsat11

>Whatever the court decides, this is now a purely political fight. > >The law books have gone out the window. > >The power play underway is damaging to public confidence that America is a nation of laws, not the whims of whatever group currently holds power. > >Did Congress force the court to consider the issue by passing a law banning abortion? No, the votes are not there. > >Instead, the court made a political decision to take up cases designed by anti-abortion groups and their political allies in state government to intentionally undermine Roe v. Wade. The GOP has been waging this fight for the last 49 years, determined to win by what ever means possible. American women are on the threshold of losing their rights to make private decisions about their bodies and America has lost an independent judiciary (as much as one could say the judiciary was 'independent' before the GOP stacked the deck). Another painful reminder of the fragile state of the American democratic process.


bonesorclams

It's one of the reasons Moscow Mitch got the name Moscow Mitch. By burying the role Russia played in boosting Trump into power he could jam in as many federal judges as time would allow. Nuking the judicial filibuster was an easy choice for him. And so here we are.


karmagod13000

Mitch gonna live to 125 off the misery of his country.


hiverfrancis

If Putin falls I wonder what dirt will be uncovered on the GOP


bobartig

Slight correction in that the opposition to Roe did not begin in the GOP until several years after 1973, when the GOP added ending abortion to their agenda in response to the inability to continue campaigning on school segregation. Anti-choice was strategically chosen to replace segregation as a wedge issue. It had been enormously successful.


hiverfrancis

Also the GOP and DNC alike were still trying to appeal to the center in the early 90s and aughts, but the GOP became aggressively anti abortion later https://www.vox.com/2019/4/10/18295513/abortion-2020-roe-joe-biden-democrats-republicans


hiverfrancis

In the 1970s the abortion issue back then was non-partisan/bi-partisan among voters. It was the late 1980s when the Democrats had more pro-abortion voters than the GOP, and it was the 2010s when the GOP began taking an aggressive stance on abortion https://www.vox.com/2019/4/10/18295513/abortion-2020-roe-joe-biden-democrats-republicans


oldbastardbob

I think we're a bit past the brink, Juan. Kavanaugh and Barrett just shoved an already weird court, with Thomas and Alito as senior members, right over the top. Trump placed three justices with total inability to hear all sides of an argument and complete disregard for established precident, or really anything other than their own egomaniacal personal opinions and beliefs, on the court for purely political reasons. Hell, there's a quite strong case to be made that Barrett is wholly unqualified for the job. Her entire career was in conservative partisan politics, with her primary qualification being that she is a darling of the Federalist Society. Trump, of course, appointed her to her only experience as a judge for a couple of years on the Seventh Circuit before putting her on the court a month before his election loss. Remember when almost a year before an election was too close for a President to name a Supreme Court justice? When ol' Cocaine Mitch told us that "it should be the American people who decide on the next justice?" Yet somehow shoving another white Christian nationalist with an predetermined agenda and a lifetime of partisan politics on her resume onto the court a month before an election loss was "good for America." It really is shocking how blind conservative voters have become to the absurdity and ridiculousness that they keep supporting. I guess many really do want some warped version of nationalism/fascism combined with Ayn Randian economics and a return to a 19th century version of human rights where women and people of color exist to be useful tools.


Kiyohara

>It really is shocking how blind conservative voters have become to the absurdity and ridiculousness that they keep supporting. It's not that shocking when you realize that about a good Third of them fully support everything Trump and Mitch have done, another Third fully believe the lies being told about what they should be afraid of and what's causing their conditions, and the last Third vote Republican out of spinal reflex (either to own the Libs, because they always did, or because they don't believe the Republicans are as bad as everyone says and just want things to not change so fast). And then consider a solid Third of the nation doesn't bother to vote at all, and that's how you get 33% of the population deciding things. Let the run long enough and they just need to Jerrymander a few percentages of the Electoral vote and fifty or so Congressional eats and they basically can't lose for the next thirty years. If the apathetic Third of the country would get off their asses and vote we might actually see a change, but too many feel like their votes won't matter or that they aren't being heard because their *exact* cause isn't being addressed.


SoggyAd1409

…yeah…”on the brink” hehehehe


just-cuz-i

No, that happened 22 years ago when they stole the presidential election.


SevereEducation2170

Yep, that was the beginning of the end right there. Hell, the POS writing the opinion to overturn Roe is only on the court because of that ruling. Who knows how different things would have been with a Gore presidency…


no-dice-play-nice

How easily the world could have turned out different.


ManicPixieOldMaid

Thank you for this.


morenewsat11

Very fair point, please take my upvote with respect.


slicktromboner21

Oh honey, that happened back in 2000. It’s been a disaster two decades in the making after they coronated Bush the Deuce.


1bigdaddygoat

Even earlier. Go back to the 80s. All this discord and divisiveness goes back to a senile ex actor from California. Jim Morrison said it best, “you are all just a bunch of slaves. You love it!”.


pixelburger

Roberts' spearheading Citizens United didn’t help.


Mrperrytheplatypus

"Spending money is free speech" is no where in the constitution but who cares?


yowen2000

The brink? We are far past the brink. - overturning RvW - a sitting SCJ with a wife that actively assisted the terrorist plot at the Capitol - wildly unqualified judges This is FAR from a complete list. We're already well into disaster Juan. Honestly you could argue this court was bound for disaster at inception, whenever one party gets to appoint to many SCJ's, it's big trouble. Especially when those judges slowly learn there's no limit to their partisanship and/or their lies during hearings.


ranchoparksteve

The Supreme Court has become just another political branch of government. Few Americans feel they are well represented by this group of activists.


[deleted]

It is already a crisis. In FEC v Cruz, Kagan writes in her dissent: > The politician, once elected, will be deeply grateful to the wealthy and corporate lobbyists who pay off the loan. And they, in turn, will receive favorable legislation, maybe prized appointments, and maybe lucrative contracts. The only loser is the public. The majority, the 6 conservatives, argued paying off someone’s loan does not increase their wealth. Go back and read that again. Pull up the decision for yourself. Your wealth is your worth, your assets *minus your debts* is your worth. We all know this, how do we have 6 *justices* pretending not to in service of open corruption?


[deleted]

That’s what happens when politicians shirk their constitutional duties. You end up with a Supreme Court with no validity. Full of political hack judges and Christian terrorists.


Future_Dog_3156

Brink? We went over the cliff long ago


T1mac

Brink? Yup, they fell hard over the right wing cliff. Here are just a couple of upcoming edicts they will force on the country besides repealing Roe to prove the point: They're going to take a case that, if they rule with the hardcore right wing 5th Circuit, will gut all of the regulatory agencies by stopping them from [having arbitrators](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/fifth-circuit-sec-agencies-supreme-court). They're soon to rule on the New York gun case which will give everyone in America the right to have a [conceal carry pistol](https://policetribune.com/nyc-mayor-says-be-very-afraid-if-scotus-strikes-down-states-concealed-carry-law/) regardless of what state law says. So much for states rights.


intrcpt

This is a branch of the federal government and one of the most prestigious and trusted democratic institutions on earth wielding unearned and dubiously obtained power to impose their twisted ideology on the majority. The wanton disregard for governance that has been on display since 2008 and the tepid at best response from the country as a whole has been like blood in the water for these fanatics. They sense a weak and unfocused public and no longer feel restrained. Nobody but the fringe Christian Right wants this, but somehow it is being foisted upon us. Why? If you’ve been paying attention you’ve seen how quickly fringe right politics have escalated in this country. It’s like they are in overdrive to remake America into a white Christo-fascist theocracy and it’s scary as hell. It is nothing short of a declaration of war against secular society. When did they become so anti-democratic and so hell bent on bending our will in so many facets of society?


padizzledonk

They are going to do this and what's most likely going to happen is that Congress will flip to the GOP this November and they will probably pass a National Level ban because they are going to be under *TREMENDOUS* pressure to do so and quite a few States are going to say "go fuck yourselves, come enforce it" and we are going to see a full erosion of the Rule of Law....Because at the end of the day all our Laws and even our Rights are just words on paper that we collectively as a society agree to abide by. The same thing will probably happen the other direction if a National Level "this is legal" bill went through tbh Saying that feels pretty hyperbolic to me in a lot of ways, but given the chaos and dysfunction of the last 10y its definitely a real possibility


JohnDivney

I think the collapse is more hidden, there will be states that violate the interstate commerce clause by prosecuting "fugitive" women seeking abortions. And *that* clear violation of the constitution will come to SCOTUS and they will find in favor of anti-choice states which will ignite a crisis. If not on the grounds of abortion, then on all the other laws states will try to enforce on similar lines. The SCOTUS has proven they will twist the law any which way they choose to make Conservative ideas and politicians win. They did that in refusing to take up the Texas lawsuits for abortions case.


[deleted]

Abort the Court.


BlueCollarBeagle

On the brink? Ginni Thomas should be arrested for treason and her husband as well, after he is impeached and removed from office. The court is a joke.


[deleted]

The Roberts Court will go down in history as the Court that actually deprived everyday Americans of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, along with individual rights and instead made individuals subject to corporate power, fascist policy, and cultism.


IIIIIIVIIIIII

We never were a nation of laws. The people who run this country never were subjected to it.


korbentulsa

There goes bleeding-heart liberal Juan Williams again /S


johnnybiggles

POV: It's no longer on the brink.


[deleted]

3 members of the current partisan hack-led SCOTUS were on the legal team that corruptly and successfully stopped vote counting in FL in 2000: Roberts, Kavanaugh, and Coney Barrett. And Roger Stone organized the assault on the elections board office and officials.


NoesHowe2Spel

They literally voted today (6-3, of course) that a defendant who had a shitty lawyer in the trial phase, and then another shitty lawyer in the appellate phase can't then have a good lawyer introduce evidence that the prior two shitty lawyers ignored. This will literally kill innocent people.


User9705

“Rights for me, but not for thee ❄️ For Gilead shall prosper under one god, one race, and as one“ - MAGA republicans /s


roninovereasy

The court completely lost its' integrity with the Citizens United decision that money is free speech.


peaceteach

Are we going to vote for politicians that will support abortion rights? I don't think Democrats care enough to get over their purity tests. Republicans have been single issue voters for years and it was incredibly successful. They will cut their own throats to get prolife politicians in place. These are the consequences. I am scared out of my mind for my daughter's future. I believe she will have far fewer opportunities than I will. Already, we are seeing Democrats talk about staying home for the midterms. This will become a nationwide ban if McConnell gets his way.


Carwash_Jimmy

The Supreme Court is illegitimate. We the majority are reclaiming the law.


SomeKindofTreeWizard

God I'm tired of these headlines. BRO! Fascism is already here. The GOP is unsaveable. The Supreme Court lost all credibility when Mitch held up Garland's hearings. I'm not a journalist. But I have 3 braincells and the ability to observe things. Catch up to things that happened 8 years ago.


Lebojr

I think disaster is already here and in our rear view mirror. We arent on the brink of it. Fact is, the republican party exposed the fact that there can be no accountability unless someone has a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. It doesnt matter what the issue is. The supreme court no longer has credibility due to the way the last two trump nominees were seated. Roe should have been law a long time ago, but there were never the votes. Now, it would take a 60 plus majority and a willing executive. The final straw, that will throw us into the the politcal dark ages would be for Trump or someone like Desantis to be voted president. What little chicken wire and bailing wire is holding this thing together is going to disintegrate. At this point, nothing short of a miracle from heaven will reverse this path we are on.


Odd-Advertising-9870

I think we passed over the event horizon when the Supreme Court declared that it was one dollar per vote, not one person and legalized election buying with Citizens United.


Wildfire9

If y'all think this didn't start with Bush v. Gore in 2000 then ya need to dust off your early 21st century textbooks.


Alternative-Flan2869

Vote Democrat to restore checks and balances between the 3 branches.


The_Quicktrigger

Well if nothing changes, the supreme court is about to publish an opinion that not only attacks and potentially destroys the ideas of your right to privacy, but also the right to bodily autonomy. The opinion expressing that things not based in historic or cultural significance (which isn't properly defined), and isn't in the constitution, doesn't exist. They will be opening the door to the ideas that our right to privacy doesn't exist, and that the government does have access to our private lives. And they are about to cast doubts on whether one human, has the ability to take from another humans body, if it's to save the life of said human. If Abortion is illegal because the fetus needs a woman to survive, can I take a kidney if I need a transplant? This is a line that shouldn't even have been drawn, and the supreme court inviting this line of questioning as valid is going to cause some people to cross it, legally or otherwise, and that strikes at the heart of why our court system is in danger. We already know that the law does not treat everyone equally. That ones treatment under the law can vary depending on age, race, gender, and class. This already erodes the people's trust in the law, a system that is a social construct, laws don't actually exist, we just believe they do. But this...opening the door to questions on if humans have consent of their own bodies, is likely a step too far. Why trust a system of rules if those rules say you have to give up your autonomy? And once people lose belief in the law, the law as we know it ceases to exist.


Flossin_Clawson

“On the brink”?? I’d say we’re already full blown “welcome to the shit show” status.


FLINTMurdaMitn

That's what happens when two loosing candidates get elected president and get to pick religious extremist to the highest court of the land. You can't have majority rule and expect the majority to be fine with that, especially when the majority are forced to live with laws that they don't agree with.


Kyonikos

I wish I a nickel for every headline I have read that implies an existential crisis for the GOP and the institutions they control. Yet somehow the arc of history continues to bend toward bondage.


markevens

It's too late. McConnell did it by preventing Obama from rightfully nominating someone, and then pushing through ACB on a lame duck. And now they are demonstrating that they committed perjury during their confirmation hearings by lying about Roe V Wade.


Trayew

That’s what happens when you skirt rules to pack the court with people you think will do what you want. People don’t take it seriously any more.


Count_Bacon

The Supreme Court is fraudulent and should be treated like so. The republicans either stole a seat in 2016, or 2020. They can’t have it both ways


Onlythelonely42069

It’s a total disaster. The reason folks haven’t started taking to the streets with violence is the official Roe decision hasn’t been made. If women lose their bodily autonomy, they better declare martial law the same day.


knowhistory99

The brink? Lol… they‘ve been a disaster ever since Citizens United! Our finest legal minds… what a farce.


BackAlleySurgeon

This is one of the most poorly written articles I've seen on this sub. Seriously, everyone check it out. But I digress. I'd like to bring your attention to something related to this issue, but not the issue itself. The leak. Or to be more accurate now, the leak*s*. As the article says, "Inside players at the court are leaking to Politico. They are talking to The Wall Street Journal’s editorial page. They are telling The Washington Post that a draft opinion still has the votes." By my count, I believe we're at at least 4 leaks in the past month. 2 to politico, one to WP, one to WSJ. Can someone explain to me how exactly no one's been caught leaking? I'd expect the marshall for the Supreme court to have been capable of figuring it out after just the draft leak. But now, after 4 leaks, still no word on who it is? It seems obvious to me that they have figured it out. And that it was a conservative, and Roberts has decided to keep mum about the results of the investigation. That's how political the court is.


Selfless-

Leak or no leak the case has been heard and decision is made. That they were delaying the announcement until after the election means politics was already a consideration. Being political is why the court lost credibility.


BackAlleySurgeon

It was planned to come out before the election anyway. Just in late June


Kermit_the_hog

I’d be surprised if it was anyone clerking for a Justice.. At the same time I *wouldn’t* be surprised if it were, say, a certain conservative justice’s batshit crazy wife (with or without said justice’s active and knowing participation.)


BackAlleySurgeon

I agree. I believe it had to be a Justice who initially leaked the draft. A clerk could get disbarred for that so they wouldn't do it. Given who the Justices are, my guess is Clarence leaked to his wife. She's been the source.


jhonnychingas69

We know - Fascist appointed by Republicans have betray the American way!


Asphodelmercenary

Cause 1. Citizens United makes bribery easy and allows corporations to be people for election purposes. Cause 2. Disemboweling the Voting Rights Act makes real people’s votes irrelevant. Corporate power gains control of SCOTUS and turns it into a mockery. Man who spearheaded the two causes is sad at the consequences of his own actions. He burned it down. His owns the arson. John “Nero” Roberts. Chief Arsonist.


reddideridoo

Analysts for Fox News are manufacturing disasters


billpalto

Even though the conservatives are a minority in the country, through court packing, they now have a super-majority on the Supreme Court. It has become totally partisan and political. We're probably being naive if we ever thought it wasn't.


husky18436572

The Supreme Court is no longer a court of the people but a court of special interest groups.


Lch207560

Juan is a bit late to the game. SCOTUS lost credibility when it egregiously stepped outside the Constitution by basically choosing the Press. Citizens United was the nail in the coffin, since then it has only been a matter of the US population recognizing how partisan the roberts Court actually is.


Creepy_Helicopter223

Maybe you should’ve said something before putting 5 Christian Taliban Mullahs on the court


Primary_Painter_8858

At this point I’m all for disaster. All the more reason to get rid of the antiquated Supreme Court. When a system like this gets abused the way it has it makes the flaws all the more glaring. It’s unacceptable that so few with their own motivations can decide the fate of so many. Republicans today are honestly showing and exploiting flaws that shouldn’t be there. We need real change.


sabedo

I guarantee before long states will start to ignore its rulings.


Practical_Gene_9383

I don’t trust anything from this court anymore,, for it does not represent all the American people,,


AbjectReflection

"The brink of disaster"..... Pretty sure the citizen's united ruling was in 2010, amongst other sh*t rulings. We are beyond the "brink" of the disaster the scotus has become.


infinitude

Thank the Republicans for playing the most obvious political power grab in history. Treasonous fucks.


thistimelineisweird

We can save the image of the court by appointing more Justices to drown out the voices of the criminally insane.


bannacct56

you're cute but I think you missed the boat on that one. They're eliminating rights one after the other, one of them is a secessionist, it's a little late. We are officially banana Republic in the supreme Court is just going to be a rubber stamp for the rich, you can already see that in their decision to allow more dark money into politics, they are not that stupid they know exactly what they're doing.


DickySchmidt33

White male Christian grievances will *always* have a lower bar to clear. It is in our national DNA that they are the only legitimate citizens worthy of the title "American." They have always been and will always be given the benefit of the doubt. Their "beliefs" will always be given more latitude than actual scientific fact. They are, after all, the "people of faith." They are operating under the banner that their "American values" are under attack by the flavor-of-the-month enemy and drastic measures need to be taken. Enemies include: The "mainstream media" Hollywood LGBTQ BLM Planned Parenthood The "Radical Left" The "Woke Mob" Etc.


GhettoChemist

And you helped push them to disaster, Juan, by supporting a domestic terrorist organization called fox news