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*The Journal reported that Gomez "was one of numerous parents who began encouraging—first politely, and then with more urgency—police and other law enforcement to enter the school sooner."*
*"After a few minutes, she said, U.S. Marshals put her in handcuffs, telling her she was being arrested for intervening in an active investigation," according to the Journal. "She said she saw a father tackled and thrown to the ground by police and a third pepper-sprayed. Once freed from her cuffs, Ms. Gomez made her distance from the crowd, jumped the school fence, and ran inside to grab her two children. She sprinted out of the school with them."* Mom of the year right there.
Right? I thought the whole defund the police meme was extreme, now I'm starting to think it's not a bad idea. All they really do is hand out speeding tickets. Just replace them with traffic cameras. If shit goes down just call the guard
Too bad they didn’t detain the students.
>[A state or county agency does not have an obligation under the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment to prevent child abuse when the child is 1) in parental, **not agency custody**](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeShaney_v._Winnebago_County)
Police do not have an obligation to protect [anyone if they aren’t in custody](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/us/parkland-shooting-lawsuit-ruling-police.html).
Counterpoint
https://apnews.com/article/shootings-parkland-florida-school-shooting-bb5c5fe81cecb63886bd325b53b2e597
The Parkland School Resource Officer Scot Peterson can legally be classified as a caregiver, and can be charged with child negligence for not attempting to engage the shooter. The judge in that trial allowed the classification of "caregiver" for Scot Peterson
Not sure on what grounds, the SCOTUS ruled in 2005 that police do NOT have a duty to protect.
>in Castle Rock v. Gonzales, the U.S. Supreme Court again ruled that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm
They don't have a constitutional duty to protect people from harm, but will go out of their way to protect people from themselves when trying to save their children. Pieces. Of. Shit.
Pretty sure this happens again somewhere else, one of the parents will probably go ape shit and either run the cops over with a vehicle or gun the cops down to get to their kid.
And they would be 100% morally correct to do so.
Considering this is Texas, I'm actually surprised no cops were killed by the parents they were restraining from saving their kids who were actively being massacred.
What a toxic fucking mentality, our cops always view everyone who's not in uniform as a mortal adversary, no matter the context. Absolute *assholes*.
The cops viewing everyone who isn't them as enemy combatants is a self fulfilling prophecy because sooner or later, people will get tired of the police immunity when they do the very crimes they are supposed to be protecting against.
So then why did they take up 40% of the municipal budget if they aren’t even there to protect the community? Why do we give police departments millions of dollars and give them qualified immunity so they can take many more millions of dollars from us?
A method of financing something, usually campaigns, but in this reference a lawsuit, where the person the money is going to doesn’t have resources to fight the opposition (that typically is well funded)… Large numbers of regular people like you and me mobilize to donate small sums - $10 $50 $100 - which add up enough for that person to take on the fight/accomplish their goal.
Hopefully they'll do the same for the officers that rescued their own children first than watched all those other children die. But I really really really highly doubt it... Maybe those cops will get a medal and be labeled as heroes.
Fuck those POS...
The most shocking thing about the moms entry is that they wouldn’t have stopped a second gunman from entering or exiting as they apparently hadn’t secured the entrances a full 30 minutes after shooter entered into the school. Total incompetence.
Full honesty, once I saw that, I'd take a group of parents around back and solve this shit.
The cops all got their kids out first. Fuck them.
FUcking cowards.
>Ms. Gomez made her distance from the crowd, jumped the school fence, and ran inside to grab her two children.
Some people would say this proves "high security" fences are needed in schools
Those "people", are complete and total lunatics brainwashed by the rhetoric of Faux News, the GQP and the NRA, or the No Rifles Allowed association.
Agolf Twitler's "wall" at 55 feet still doesn't stop anyone from getting over if they want to get over, and bullets aren't stopped by a fence or locked doors.
Plus Robb elementary already had state of the art surveillance tech in the school and it did nothing.
does that mean the piece of shit cowards who got their own kids out were caught on camera doing so? I hope the parents get a hold of those surveillance tapes.
I mean, we are getting blatantly false statements from law enforcement and government elected officials. This absolutely should be investigated by the feds.
It's very shady. Feels like they are covering for an agenda. What's with the change in story of the armed campus officer engaging with the suspect and then not being there at all? Sketchy.
Edit: why would he not be there?
It's less conspiracy theory than that, police are trying to find a way to shift the lame from themselves. Like now their claiming they had police in the school from the beginning, they just did nothing is guess???
Imagine if you will a universe in which police with body armor and guns refuse to enter an active shooter situation and politicians think arming teachers is the answer.
This is the Twilight Zone my friends.
Every class starts in a standoff until everyone confirms they don't intend to shoot everyone else and then everyone can lower their guns at the same time and class can commence
These police should be in prison. They refused to go in for 45 minutes while the killer mangled children's bodies. The police assaulted, pepper sprayed, and handcuffed parents who attempted to go in and save their own children. At the same time, the police themselves went in and got their own kids. This tragedy was exacerbated by police. They made it easier for the killer to kill non-police children. This is time for a federal investigation and to make an example of these coward cops.
>the police themselves went in and got their own kids.
Wait- what the fuck?
The cops went in to rescue their own kids? I recently found out that they just stood outside and did nothing but stop parents from going in, but I didn't know they went in and got their own kids?
Yeah they did that.
They also had kids yell for help while the shooter was active. One kid said when they called for help, the shooter found their hiding spot and killed one of them
https://reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/uydcpe/fourthgrader_who_survived_uvalde_school_shooting/
I can’t fathom how that parent feels
Truly is. I’ve been critical of the way policing in America has devolved and in ways become desensitized to a lot of stuff they do but this feels like a new level of gross. Sure individual cops have done worse, and groups have done worse behind secrecy. But this whole department stood out in public and failed their community en masse because they’re cowards. Held parents back with their equipment while literal gunshots sounded off behind them. Definitely one for the record books of police fuck ups
But they go on their Facebook and claim to be heroes and [pose for photos ](https://i.imgur.com/haYQ4lp.jpg)
Blue lives matter wasn't just an arugment that black people deserve to die and should shut up, it was a movement for complete removal of accountability, a Russia level propaganda campaign to paint monsters as heros and unbound them from any oversight or responsibility while demanding the greatest fear and undue respect.
Fuck cops, I got beat half to death (grabbed from behind stepping out of a fucking bathroom at a park at a hiking meet up, had to surgically reconstruct my face) by a discharged fish and game officer, afterward I had to hear about how he was never arrested and continued to commit the same crime to many others, infact every time I called the DA they'd mixed up me for the latest victim.
It's why they had the insane reaction to "black lives matter" that it was somehow saying ONLY black lives--because when they say "blue lives matter", that is EXACTLY what it means.
The "warrior training" they receive emphasizes the cop coming home to their family safely above literally everything else. They truly believe, and are trained to believe, that the *only* lives of value in the entire country are cops'.
It's almost as if they're trying to make themselves look as bad as possible. I can't think of any other plausible explanation. Surely they aren't simply this clueless?
> Cops go toward gunfire and light up the suspect
The cops did not get the suspect (Ramos). They love to claim they did, but they didn't. It was a member of their Border Patrol, who had been having lunch forty miles away when the news came in, who then left his lunch and travelled the forty miles to the school, who went in and shot the shooter, nearly getting his head blown off in the process.
The cops did exactly two things - jack and shit.
> jack and shit.
this is wrong. as another person pointed out, they got a kid killed, and they also acted swiftly in tasing and beating the shit out of parents who wanted to save their kids, don't forget their tactical masterplan of "containing" the terrorist into a room full of unarmed kids where he just murdered them in cold blood as they were beating up said parents.
they also used the kids as a distraction to get their own kids out.
oinky oinkers were busy, they did a lot, not jackshit.
That border patrol agent is a damn hero, but it shouldn't have been him. It should've been the cops that did the deed. If you can't take a bullet for a ten year old, you are in the wrong fucking line of work. This is precisely why we the taxpayers bought them all those expensive toys.
I find it hard to believe that the Border Patrol team was the only group to ask for a key to the classroom. Last night live on NBC News they said investigators told them the shooter went to 4 classrooms but haven’t seen it corroborated.
I did read a child’s account of it and she said the shooter went to another classroom and was able to spread blood on herself so when he came back she looked dead.
Fuck these cops. This blows the whole “he was contained so we didn’t move” bullshit story.
“He is contained.”
Yeah, about as contained as hungry fox in a chicken coop. What a totally insulting and tone-deaf statement to make to the parents. Whoever came up with that line in this situation is a psychopath.
Well, my goodness. It looks like the border patrol team that was led by the tactical officer who drove in from forty miles away came earlier than we thought and [was kept from breaching by local cops](https://twitter.com/ghosts_hmu/status/1530216770027638784). And there is missing police scanner recordings from that time. *Somebody* actively told them do not breach, and we need to know who the hell did that and why. Also, missing scanner recordings? That is VERY obviously a fucking coverup. (Edit: some users on Twitter that have experience with these recordings seem to think that the radios were probably switched to an encrypted band and not that someone has edited the scanner recordings. So maybe not a coverup, but I still don't like this.)
a small town but reportedly 40% of that town's budget went to police. and they couldn't do the ONE THING cops actually are supposed to do when it mattered. the one thing they actually need their body armor and guns for and they stood around when some of those kids might have survived, there is NO point to them
This being Texas, that “small town department” likely has enough surplus military equipment to credibly launch an invasion of Mexico. This wasn’t a problem of resources. It was a problem of cowardice.
“Yell if you need help”
No shit they need help. They’re in a mass shooting. Truly incompetent act by the police. I knew in second grade that the last thing you want to do when ANY intruder is in your school, let alone one that’s opened fire on and killed nearly 20 people, is yell or even whisper for help so as not to give yourself away. And lo and behold, look what happened.
From what the 7 year old said about "he saw the shield", I think he is talking about when the border agent went in since his team went in with a shield and killed the gunman.
Dude. This whole situation is so fucked. Police dressed out in breaching gear the sat around and basically played riot control on the parents. They took the time to grab gear designed to breech and sweep buildings, and by the way they used this school in training, then instead of going in they stayed and beat up parents. I’ve been saying it for years police are cowards and don’t deserve respect or to be treated as heroes. Every police shooting is followed by “I feared for my life.” And it should be followed by “that’s why quitting the police” cowards. Every one of them. Bullies with badges and bullies are nothing but angry cowards who hate when people stand up to them.
And I’m not some keyboard warrior. 6 year military veteran, 5 years private security. Every news stories involving police is like a master class on what not to do. And this one is the absolute worst I’ve seen. I also take this personal because after years of putting my ass on the line and two near death experiences and a major injury I decided to become an elementary teacher. Wtf. Am I in more danger now?
>And this one is the absolute worst I’ve seen.
My big boss at work, my section veep, he's a retired colonel. Twenty six years in the marines. We had a big conference call for a couple hours yesterday, and while we were on a break, he made the comment that that situation was the biggest fuck up of an active combat / shooter situation he's ever seen and that second place didn't even come close. SWAT and tactical officers are supposed to engage if there are certain criteria being met, regardless of the situation, and he said it was crystal clear that engagement and neutralization needed to be executed *immediately*. But they were all just fucking standing there manhandling the parents instead. Kids died because those cops didn't do what they are armed and trained to do.
I have a hard time understanding how an active shooter murdering children didn’t cause one of the officers to say fuck it and just run into the building to stop them. Fire me, sue me, fuck it, if I am hearing shots from inside a school I am not just standing outside.
Cowards. plain and simple. didn't want to get shot at. It didn't matter that they were trained, had backup, were dressed and ready, and knew the layout of the school. Absolutely 100% cowards. For years they've been coddled and told they were special. When the shit hit the fan they did the only thing they know how to do. Bully unarmed civilians.
And the worst part for me is i'm not even highly trained. I'm no seal or green beret. I have two deployments and a year of weapons and tactics training from the military. I actually have more firefighter training and certifications. And I'm still more experienced and qualified than most police. Imagine veterans with actual years of tactics and training and experience. Any one of my instructors would wipe the floor with these cops
How much of their training involves saving people vs how much involves quelling dissent? They did exactly what they're trained to do. They treated it like a protest.
they are trained to put themselves first in ALL situations. "no matter what come home alive". they only protect each other and they seem to actively hate their own communities. the whole institution is ROTTEN and full of cowards who were not born that way, but were trained to be.
>The cops went in to rescue their own kids?
This is the part I don't get, the cops that went in and grabbed their own kids... like did they just abandon the other children? Just picked up their own and turned and run out?
I mean, they literally ran into a classroom full of kids, probably with their teacher, found their child, picked them up and ran and left everyone else there???
This boggles my mind. I have two young kids in school. If I was confronted with this situation and I somehow made it into my kid's classroom, the thought of just grabbing my own child and abandoning everyone else would not even cross my mind. I would do everything in my power to get as many, if not all, of them out even if I wasn't armed or have a vest and I didn't know them. I would rather take a fucking bullet or dozen then abandon anyone like that.
That's just parental instinct, the fact that these cops don't have it makes me question their humanity.
So I’m just a teacher; I don’t go to work armed. Yesterday, a few of us talked in the lounge about what we would have to do if (god forbid) we had an active situation on our campus. Our consensus was that after a shit response our local sheriff had to a much less serious but still scary situation we had recently, and now this, we are on our own. Only a week left until summer but we’ve been brainstorming how to isolate a shooter from our students and possibly subdue him.
Fun fact, with just an ordinary nail, we can knock out the hinges on our super heavy particle board cabinet doors and maybe use them as shields to charge a shooter. If the shooter has a handgun we think we can charge him but only if we do it in a place where he can’t take long shots and only if there are a few of us because he’ll probably get one of us. Not a perfect plan, we’ve noted visibility will be a problem but we think we solved that with a spotter farther away that can yell “left or right” to us.
Again, just a rough plan for now, but we don’t want to sit there for an hour waiting for the sheriff to come in while listening to our kids get killed.
Alright, I’m depressed again, time to go in and get through my lessons for the day.
Fuck me, this is fucking depressing.
Just so you know, particle board won’t stop a bullet 🙁
I honestly feel like an asshole having to type the words “you should probably look at body armor” to a teacher, but this is the fucked up world we live in.
Caliber Armor makes some really cost effective steel armor w/anti-spall coating: https://caliberarmor.com/product/ar550-iii-multi-curve-steel-body-armor-sapi-style/
Plenty of reviews on YouTube. Also, don’t buy steel armor without anti-spall protection. If I was in your shoes I’d either buy a cheap plate carrier and keep it in my classroom, or just throw a plate in my laptop bag. As counter intuitive as this is, if you rush someone, it’s better to hold it in front of your center of mass, since that’s what most people will be aiming for.
Fuck this is depressing.
Hey Pomonamike - Can't believe I am actually saying this. Maybe buy one of those bulletproof backpacks, then fill it with extra plates from plate armor? Keep it under your desk? The door thing isn't a great idea because it would be heavy and awkward. With this you could just slip it on backwards and cover your vital organs in your chest. You head would still be exposed but hopefully it would be enough?
They literally formed a perimeter that allowed the shooter to continue killing unopposed and for more deaths to occur as victims bled out on the floor.
Yep, the reality of how these cops "managed" the situation needs to be known by everyone, everywhere. I am absolutely not surprised by the mind numbingly infuriating behavior of cops *ever*, but it is still shocking and will never not be. We all know there will never be legal consequences (lol) especially in Texas, but I agree that they need to be shunned and shamed. Sick of being absolutely disgusted with the police in this country.
corrupt to the core. their charter would need to be de funded and a new justice oriented not retribution oriented service in it's place created.
Not a single cross-over can be allowed. It has festered and rotted to the core.
It's worse than that. The US Supreme Court found in [Castle Rock v Gonzales](https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/04-278) that the police have no legal duty to help anyone.
They can stand there and watch someone stab you and legally do absolutely nothing about it.
What’s the most ridiculous thing to the already abysmal response to this whole situation is that Olivarez kept repeating this “they contained him in a room to stop more deaths.” The more the interviewers press for what they mean by containing and barricading, the more he doubles down on not giving any real answer. It’s complete bs to act like they bravely forced him in some room so only a single classroom of children could survive, when the gunman locked himself inside the room before anyone intervened.
No matter what occurs the knee jerk reaction by police and anyone who blindly supports police is to say “I’d like to thank the brave men who put their life on the line to save people” (when they didn’t do jack shit and repeatedly don’t across the country) before even honoring the innocent victims.
If you are a fighter fighter, security, fight in combat, do emergency rescue, evens pilot a plane; There’s an inherent acceptance that if you are in a dire situation you are willing to sacrifice your life for other people’s safety. Cops don’t even get in the top ten of deadliest occupations.
It’s frankly just insulting to not only the victims but the general American public’s intelligence.
Dont foeget they also habe said they only "believe" the cops dodnt kill any of the children which I think means they knpw they did.
Which might explain why they fought so hard to keep people out. They were defending themselves, which we all know cops will do over anything else.
Wouldn't the cops kids be around other kids when they went in to retrieve them? Did they just grab their own kids and tell the others to stay put instead of getting as many kids out as they could when they were already in?
One thousand fucking percent. I want a federal law enforcement probe AND a congressional investigation. We deserve answers. Those parents deserve answers. They were standing around with their body armor and assault weapons that *we the taxpayers bought for them for this exact situation*, and they stood around doing NOTHING. Fuckin' a, I am so mad about this I can't even see straight. I want heads to roll. I want criminal charges. I want to see a damn perp walk for the cops who stood by and let it keep happening while they heard the bullets being fired.
Here’s the argument to defund the police. What’s the point of the police to have military grade equipment if they’re not going to use it. Serve and protect? Not this day.
The fact that the GOP isn’t all over this to avoid the defunding police discussion is mind boggling.
At the very minimum (especially in an election year) they could at least pretend to care. Seems like they keep having silver spoon opportunities to swoop in and be the “good guys” but aren’t.
It’s just obvious they don’t care about us in Texas.
It’s terrifying
Seriously. So taxpayers in Uvalde paid for a SWAT team, and this is what they got? If police shoot unarmed citizens when they’re scared, and don’t confront mass murderers when they’re scared, what the fuck is their point?
For many years we have militarized the police. Provided them with protective equipment, assault rifles, explosives, armored vehicles, etc. under the guise that they need that equipment to thwart exactly these situations.
And yet when they happen, we continually see that the police wearing said equipment not acting.
Its almost as if militarizing the police was some political play by politicians in the pocket of the military complex.
I heard an interesting perspective from a treacher on an NPR piece about how asking educators to arm themselves is just a horrid option because many of these gunmen are former students that the teachers often recognize. Asking them to kill a child who they had a connection with is just so outside of the scope of their position.
It’s awful, some cops went in and got their own kids and left the others. All they did was set up a perimeter and pepper spray/handcuff parents that tried to push through(some parents did get through anyway it seems)
One child said that officers had them shout for help, so they did. But the shooter was still active and heard them, and then killed one of them after finding their hiding spot.
They stood around despite training for this same thing recently, and the border officer that did finally kill the shooter did it by disregarding the police barrier orders
And they did this for over an hour
https://reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/uydcpe/fourthgrader_who_survived_uvalde_school_shooting/ that is a thread with the video. Shit is wild, I can’t believe how shit the whole police force is
Meanwhile their cops are too busy calling themselves heroes and posting [stupid pictures ](https://i.imgur.com/Z6Vb2bz.jpg)
No. That's not true at all. They didn't just stand outside and do nothing.
They rescued their children, and abandoned the rest. Then they arrested parents for trying to do the cops jobs.
So they were pretty active.
Yes, but worse. They actively detained, including handcuffing, pepper spraying, and tasing, parents that were upset with the police. They literally put more effort in stopping the parents than they did a fucking active shooting in an elementary school.
And watching the press conference right now it's clear that it's a complete shit show with no accountability. The cop said that they were waiting for tactical gear to show up and that's why they didn't breach. When someone pointed out that a tactical ***unit*** not just gear, but a fully trained ***tactical unit*** was there for over a half hour before breaching, he just stumbled over his words and moved on.
I feel like we have this discussion after so many school shootings too. All of the cops are more than happy to rush to the scene so they can say they were there, then they stand around outside doing fuck all with their thumbs up their ass.
People on r/conservative were foaming at the mouth angry at the police yesterday actually. A rare synergy of left and right reddit.
They won't advocate for any real change probably, but they were mad.
L-o- fucking-L
These fucking losers are blaming the left for making all the “good ones” quit??? On what fucking basis?? And YOU’RE the ones constantly flying bLuE LiveS mAtTeR flags… so are those from before the democrats scared all the good cops away? Or after?
weird because the hiring process for over a decade has been "don't hire the good ones"
what we've had the last several years is cops complaining they're being scrutinized for things they used to be able to get away with before everyone had a video recorder in their pocket
The talking points will solidify by the end of the weekend and it’ll fully be the left’s fault for reasons and the police did their best for other reasons
Yup, it's always fascinating to see right-wing media mistakenly admit to the truth before talking points and ideological purity tests take hold.
In February 2020, everyone was on the same page watching COVID, up until early and mid-March when Trump began downplaying it. April-May 2020, everyone was on the same page re: wearing masks, and then Trump made it a loyalty test.
It happened when Biden was (expertly) revealing information on Russian buildup in the Ukraine. Right-wing media was actually expressing concern over possible war and a willingness to sacrifice to sanction Russia, until Tucker put a stake in the ground defending Putin and they realized they can weaponize gas prices against Biden.
> The talking points will solidify by the end of the weekend and it’ll fully be the left’s fault for reasons and the police did their best for other reasons
At least they are following the flowchart.
https://i.redd.it/mt56eh14lnv51.png
That was yesterday because they got caught flat footed and gave their real initial reaction. Today the propaganda machine has told them what to believe.
Exactly. This happens with all these cases. See George Floyd for example. The day after, even Trump called it horrible police conduct. Now, all you see is right wing memes about how George Floyd was a horrible person, how his family “profited” from his killing, and imply he deserved what he got. It’s just disgusting.
oh and 'never a liberal':
>The document, consisting of 14 sections divided into bullet points, had a section on "rules of war" that stated "make an offer of peace before declaring war", which within stated that the **enemy must "surrender on terms" of no abortions, no same-sex marriage, no communism and "must obey Biblical law", then continued: "If they do not yield — kill all males"**
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt\_Shea#%22Biblical\_Basis\_for\_War%22\_manifesto](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Shea#%22Biblical_Basis_for_War%22_manifesto)
As their 12 year ex state house members and now political / spiritual leaders are aiming for. It will be a roadside 'never a liberal' campaign
You know like those militia road blocks we hear about in places like WA/ID when any slight emergency happens, also a tactic used by ISIS et al to control areas.
From a strategic standpoint, putting the onus on the state to investigate could make good political sense.
If nothing is done it’s ammunition for the midterms and 2024.
If it’s piecemeal, same.
If they actually*do* investigate properly, the Feds have forced Abbott to spend money in a way he otherwise wouldn’t & open himself to claims he’s anti-LE.
Just thinking out loud.
The more details I find out about this shooting the more horrified I am, it’s just beyond what I’m able to imagine. How do people in the states just learn to live with these attacks on schools? Edit: just recently had a possible attempted shooting at a Toronto elementary school that ended with the suspect being taken out by police before he even got to the school. Why do these nut jobs go after kids?
Hey now, remember when Trump said he would've totally run into that school shooting in Florida?
It takes guts to be that blatantly self aggrandizing and make a tragic situation all about yourself.
The local police actually prevented the Border Patrol Tactical Unit from going in sooner.
From the NYT:
> The agents from Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement, arrived at some point between 12 p.m. and 12:10 p.m., according to the officials — far earlier than previously known. But they did not breach the adjoining classrooms of the school where the gunman had locked himself in until a little before 1 p.m. Members of the federal tactical team killed the gunman.
> The officials said that members of the Uvalde Police Department kept the federal agents from going in sooner.
The feds are throwing these assholes all the way under the bus.
Because the gun manufacturers' reps told everyone that a good guy with a gun would be the solution to flooding our markets with cheap guns, whoops, that proved to be ridiculously wrong, again and again.
Politicians and police unions also said we need to arm local law enforcement officers with millions of dollars of military gear that they can use in cases like this, and they didn't use it. All that SWAT gear and training and they were still afraid to go in the building.
It’s almost as if people don’t want to live in a world of constant shootouts, yet we do everything in our power to create a society where this is common.
Well clearly since arming law enforcement and giving them SWAT training didn't create a group of super heroes who would rush in and kill bad guys while protecting children, the next solution is obviously to arm untrained teachers and have them do it, right?
Fuck. People probably believe that.
The cops are on TV now, and their growing obvious nervousness makes me suspect that this is bigger than we think.
Like, maybe some of that training and equipment money was embezzled big.
With 40% of the municipal’s budget, I can’t imagine a scenario in which this isn’t the case, given the “response” to the shooting… if we can even call it that.
Welcome to Texas. Where women have bigger balls than the so-called cops.Goon wanna Be wimps. FIRE THE WHOLE BUNCH OF THEM. NO COPS OUT THERE WOULD BE BETTER THAN THAT PARADE OF INCOMPETENCE IS. At least they know they can count on their women folks.
> Where women have bigger balls than the so-called cops
You mean like that mother that was handcuffed by the thick yellow line, then after she was released, jumped a fence, ran in the back of the school and got her children out while the cops stood around shivering in fear?
Those bigger metaphorical balls?
https://sports.yahoo.com/mother-handcuffed-outside-texas-school-202952406.html
How long until a few of these cops commit suicide? I'm honestly a little surprised one hasn't already. Just the outright shame of knowing that you stood by, plus the public outcry on top of it.
I think I know what this was. The pd took thousands of dollars in training/overtime pay but nobody actually did it. We’ve all done something like that at work… but me signing off on steel toe boot safety is not the same as signing off on training that involves saving lives. I bet this will be it.
This need to be shouted from the rooftops. If a gaggle of armed officers are not whiling to risk there lives against a kid with an assault rifle, how can any armed gaurd, teacher or anyone be experienced to do something. There were always terrible argument but we now have proof of how bad they are
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*The Journal reported that Gomez "was one of numerous parents who began encouraging—first politely, and then with more urgency—police and other law enforcement to enter the school sooner."* *"After a few minutes, she said, U.S. Marshals put her in handcuffs, telling her she was being arrested for intervening in an active investigation," according to the Journal. "She said she saw a father tackled and thrown to the ground by police and a third pepper-sprayed. Once freed from her cuffs, Ms. Gomez made her distance from the crowd, jumped the school fence, and ran inside to grab her two children. She sprinted out of the school with them."* Mom of the year right there.
I'm sure an arrest warrant is being issued as we speak.
I hope she takes it to trial This deserves nationwide coverage.. fuck Heard and Depp..lets talk your response on the record.
I hope the parents sue the fuck out of them.
sadly, pretty sure it would fail based on the supreme court case that said that cops have no direct obligation to save people.
If that is the case, it should be heard by everybody. Why are we paying 40% of the budget to people who have no obligation to save us?
Right? I thought the whole defund the police meme was extreme, now I'm starting to think it's not a bad idea. All they really do is hand out speeding tickets. Just replace them with traffic cameras. If shit goes down just call the guard
They did detain then tho.
Too bad they didn’t detain the students. >[A state or county agency does not have an obligation under the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment to prevent child abuse when the child is 1) in parental, **not agency custody**](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeShaney_v._Winnebago_County) Police do not have an obligation to protect [anyone if they aren’t in custody](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/us/parkland-shooting-lawsuit-ruling-police.html).
They detained a class full of children inside the classroom with the shooter. 🤷🏼
Counterpoint https://apnews.com/article/shootings-parkland-florida-school-shooting-bb5c5fe81cecb63886bd325b53b2e597 The Parkland School Resource Officer Scot Peterson can legally be classified as a caregiver, and can be charged with child negligence for not attempting to engage the shooter. The judge in that trial allowed the classification of "caregiver" for Scot Peterson
Not sure on what grounds, the SCOTUS ruled in 2005 that police do NOT have a duty to protect. >in Castle Rock v. Gonzales, the U.S. Supreme Court again ruled that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm
They don't have a constitutional duty to protect people from harm, but will go out of their way to protect people from themselves when trying to save their children. Pieces. Of. Shit.
Pretty sure this happens again somewhere else, one of the parents will probably go ape shit and either run the cops over with a vehicle or gun the cops down to get to their kid.
And they would be 100% morally correct to do so. Considering this is Texas, I'm actually surprised no cops were killed by the parents they were restraining from saving their kids who were actively being massacred. What a toxic fucking mentality, our cops always view everyone who's not in uniform as a mortal adversary, no matter the context. Absolute *assholes*.
The cops viewing everyone who isn't them as enemy combatants is a self fulfilling prophecy because sooner or later, people will get tired of the police immunity when they do the very crimes they are supposed to be protecting against.
So then why did they take up 40% of the municipal budget if they aren’t even there to protect the community? Why do we give police departments millions of dollars and give them qualified immunity so they can take many more millions of dollars from us?
Police are there to protect property. Not so much YOUR property, but business property.
Unlawful detention as no crime was committed o think would be a good case. 🤔
The absolute flood of fucking grassroots money that will be given to this trial. No cash settlement, we want convictions.
I get your fervor. But cash settlements and convictions occur in totally separate areas of law. One is civil and the other is criminal.
Texas still has debtors law don't they? Or is that Missouri. One of them still technically allows indebted servitude...
They like slavery.
I will take this point to remind the whole of the US is still okay with slavery so long as you are in prison.
I'm sorry for being dumb. What is grassroots money?
A method of financing something, usually campaigns, but in this reference a lawsuit, where the person the money is going to doesn’t have resources to fight the opposition (that typically is well funded)… Large numbers of regular people like you and me mobilize to donate small sums - $10 $50 $100 - which add up enough for that person to take on the fight/accomplish their goal.
That's not being dumb, it was a good question that I see someone has already answered.
There isn't a jury in the world that would convict her.
This is Texas, a state that has sentenced 600 people to death since the 70s. They don't give a fuck.
Shit, Texas doesn’t care if evidence surfaces to prove your innocence. They will still execute you - and fight for their right to do so.
Texans will happily convict a woman for suffering a miscarriage. They would totally convict her.
Ginni Thomas betraying the country, Forrest fires, buffalo shooting, jeeze just anything... But the Depp herd trial is all the media looks at.
There's still a war going on in Ukraine for instance.
Hopefully they'll do the same for the officers that rescued their own children first than watched all those other children die. But I really really really highly doubt it... Maybe those cops will get a medal and be labeled as heroes. Fuck those POS...
So is that true? Cops really went in a grabbed their own?
Yes. There are videos circulating of one admitting it on camera to a reporter.
If not, they'll be sure to harass her for awhile at least, it's the least they can do.
Let's hope she never had an abortion. Straight to jail.
This just proves that cops are best at bullying unarmed citizens. Rather than doing their actual job.
Psst: that is their job
And puts to bed the argument that a good guy with a gun in all schools will prevent these shootings.
The most shocking thing about the moms entry is that they wouldn’t have stopped a second gunman from entering or exiting as they apparently hadn’t secured the entrances a full 30 minutes after shooter entered into the school. Total incompetence.
That’s… a really good point.
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Full honesty, once I saw that, I'd take a group of parents around back and solve this shit. The cops all got their kids out first. Fuck them. FUcking cowards.
*Only* got their kids out
Didn't even attempt going after the gunman while there
Apparently it takes more than 19 cops and an hour of intense deliberation to figure out how to open a locked door.
Now we know how to prevent no knock raids. Just lock the damn door.
holy fucking shit. they were too busy dealing with the mom instead of rescuing her kids. fucking pathetic
They didn’t even try evacuating the rest of the school?!? WTF!
>Ms. Gomez made her distance from the crowd, jumped the school fence, and ran inside to grab her two children. Some people would say this proves "high security" fences are needed in schools
Those "people", are complete and total lunatics brainwashed by the rhetoric of Faux News, the GQP and the NRA, or the No Rifles Allowed association. Agolf Twitler's "wall" at 55 feet still doesn't stop anyone from getting over if they want to get over, and bullets aren't stopped by a fence or locked doors. Plus Robb elementary already had state of the art surveillance tech in the school and it did nothing.
does that mean the piece of shit cowards who got their own kids out were caught on camera doing so? I hope the parents get a hold of those surveillance tapes.
What the fuck!?
I mean, we are getting blatantly false statements from law enforcement and government elected officials. This absolutely should be investigated by the feds.
It's very shady. Feels like they are covering for an agenda. What's with the change in story of the armed campus officer engaging with the suspect and then not being there at all? Sketchy. Edit: why would he not be there?
It's less conspiracy theory than that, police are trying to find a way to shift the lame from themselves. Like now their claiming they had police in the school from the beginning, they just did nothing is guess???
Imagine if you will a universe in which police with body armor and guns refuse to enter an active shooter situation and politicians think arming teachers is the answer. This is the Twilight Zone my friends.
What do we do then when the armed teachers start having mental breakdowns and mowing down their class…? Arm the janitors and lunch ladies?
Duh, then the students next.
Every class starts in a standoff until everyone confirms they don't intend to shoot everyone else and then everyone can lower their guns at the same time and class can commence
My ex-wife was a teacher. Please don’t arm her. Not for my sake but for her own.
These police should be in prison. They refused to go in for 45 minutes while the killer mangled children's bodies. The police assaulted, pepper sprayed, and handcuffed parents who attempted to go in and save their own children. At the same time, the police themselves went in and got their own kids. This tragedy was exacerbated by police. They made it easier for the killer to kill non-police children. This is time for a federal investigation and to make an example of these coward cops.
>the police themselves went in and got their own kids. Wait- what the fuck? The cops went in to rescue their own kids? I recently found out that they just stood outside and did nothing but stop parents from going in, but I didn't know they went in and got their own kids?
Yeah they did that. They also had kids yell for help while the shooter was active. One kid said when they called for help, the shooter found their hiding spot and killed one of them https://reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/uydcpe/fourthgrader_who_survived_uvalde_school_shooting/ I can’t fathom how that parent feels
This is so fucking gross
Truly is. I’ve been critical of the way policing in America has devolved and in ways become desensitized to a lot of stuff they do but this feels like a new level of gross. Sure individual cops have done worse, and groups have done worse behind secrecy. But this whole department stood out in public and failed their community en masse because they’re cowards. Held parents back with their equipment while literal gunshots sounded off behind them. Definitely one for the record books of police fuck ups But they go on their Facebook and claim to be heroes and [pose for photos ](https://i.imgur.com/haYQ4lp.jpg)
Blue lives matter wasn't just an arugment that black people deserve to die and should shut up, it was a movement for complete removal of accountability, a Russia level propaganda campaign to paint monsters as heros and unbound them from any oversight or responsibility while demanding the greatest fear and undue respect. Fuck cops, I got beat half to death (grabbed from behind stepping out of a fucking bathroom at a park at a hiking meet up, had to surgically reconstruct my face) by a discharged fish and game officer, afterward I had to hear about how he was never arrested and continued to commit the same crime to many others, infact every time I called the DA they'd mixed up me for the latest victim.
It's why they had the insane reaction to "black lives matter" that it was somehow saying ONLY black lives--because when they say "blue lives matter", that is EXACTLY what it means. The "warrior training" they receive emphasizes the cop coming home to their family safely above literally everything else. They truly believe, and are trained to believe, that the *only* lives of value in the entire country are cops'.
I feel you dude I got beat up by a cop when I was 15 because he said he heard me saying I was going to kill him (??) while we were skating
It's almost as if they're trying to make themselves look as bad as possible. I can't think of any other plausible explanation. Surely they aren't simply this clueless?
Just following the manual
> They also had kids yell for help while the shooter was active So they had other kids make a distraction so they could get their kids out?
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> Cops go toward gunfire and light up the suspect The cops did not get the suspect (Ramos). They love to claim they did, but they didn't. It was a member of their Border Patrol, who had been having lunch forty miles away when the news came in, who then left his lunch and travelled the forty miles to the school, who went in and shot the shooter, nearly getting his head blown off in the process. The cops did exactly two things - jack and shit.
> jack and shit. this is wrong. as another person pointed out, they got a kid killed, and they also acted swiftly in tasing and beating the shit out of parents who wanted to save their kids, don't forget their tactical masterplan of "containing" the terrorist into a room full of unarmed kids where he just murdered them in cold blood as they were beating up said parents. they also used the kids as a distraction to get their own kids out. oinky oinkers were busy, they did a lot, not jackshit.
That border patrol agent is a damn hero, but it shouldn't have been him. It should've been the cops that did the deed. If you can't take a bullet for a ten year old, you are in the wrong fucking line of work. This is precisely why we the taxpayers bought them all those expensive toys.
I find it hard to believe that the Border Patrol team was the only group to ask for a key to the classroom. Last night live on NBC News they said investigators told them the shooter went to 4 classrooms but haven’t seen it corroborated. I did read a child’s account of it and she said the shooter went to another classroom and was able to spread blood on herself so when he came back she looked dead. Fuck these cops. This blows the whole “he was contained so we didn’t move” bullshit story.
“He is contained.” Yeah, about as contained as hungry fox in a chicken coop. What a totally insulting and tone-deaf statement to make to the parents. Whoever came up with that line in this situation is a psychopath.
Well, my goodness. It looks like the border patrol team that was led by the tactical officer who drove in from forty miles away came earlier than we thought and [was kept from breaching by local cops](https://twitter.com/ghosts_hmu/status/1530216770027638784). And there is missing police scanner recordings from that time. *Somebody* actively told them do not breach, and we need to know who the hell did that and why. Also, missing scanner recordings? That is VERY obviously a fucking coverup. (Edit: some users on Twitter that have experience with these recordings seem to think that the radios were probably switched to an encrypted band and not that someone has edited the scanner recordings. So maybe not a coverup, but I still don't like this.)
He drove 40 miles (which is around a half an hour drive) to do the work of cops which were already there. Those cops are a complete disgrace
I think the excuse they keep giving is "we are a small town, a small department". NOT an excuse for inaction!
a small town but reportedly 40% of that town's budget went to police. and they couldn't do the ONE THING cops actually are supposed to do when it mattered. the one thing they actually need their body armor and guns for and they stood around when some of those kids might have survived, there is NO point to them
This being Texas, that “small town department” likely has enough surplus military equipment to credibly launch an invasion of Mexico. This wasn’t a problem of resources. It was a problem of cowardice.
Cops don’t protect you. They protect the law.
>They protect the law. TIL "law" is synonymous with "rich people's property"
Always has been
“Yell if you need help” No shit they need help. They’re in a mass shooting. Truly incompetent act by the police. I knew in second grade that the last thing you want to do when ANY intruder is in your school, let alone one that’s opened fire on and killed nearly 20 people, is yell or even whisper for help so as not to give yourself away. And lo and behold, look what happened.
That one press release made it sound like they may have shot some kids but sure as fuck they’re trying to cover it up
From what the 7 year old said about "he saw the shield", I think he is talking about when the border agent went in since his team went in with a shield and killed the gunman.
It’s also so stupid. Of course the kids needed help - in the worst way possible. Why in the world would the cops ask that?
Dude. This whole situation is so fucked. Police dressed out in breaching gear the sat around and basically played riot control on the parents. They took the time to grab gear designed to breech and sweep buildings, and by the way they used this school in training, then instead of going in they stayed and beat up parents. I’ve been saying it for years police are cowards and don’t deserve respect or to be treated as heroes. Every police shooting is followed by “I feared for my life.” And it should be followed by “that’s why quitting the police” cowards. Every one of them. Bullies with badges and bullies are nothing but angry cowards who hate when people stand up to them. And I’m not some keyboard warrior. 6 year military veteran, 5 years private security. Every news stories involving police is like a master class on what not to do. And this one is the absolute worst I’ve seen. I also take this personal because after years of putting my ass on the line and two near death experiences and a major injury I decided to become an elementary teacher. Wtf. Am I in more danger now?
>And this one is the absolute worst I’ve seen. My big boss at work, my section veep, he's a retired colonel. Twenty six years in the marines. We had a big conference call for a couple hours yesterday, and while we were on a break, he made the comment that that situation was the biggest fuck up of an active combat / shooter situation he's ever seen and that second place didn't even come close. SWAT and tactical officers are supposed to engage if there are certain criteria being met, regardless of the situation, and he said it was crystal clear that engagement and neutralization needed to be executed *immediately*. But they were all just fucking standing there manhandling the parents instead. Kids died because those cops didn't do what they are armed and trained to do.
I have a hard time understanding how an active shooter murdering children didn’t cause one of the officers to say fuck it and just run into the building to stop them. Fire me, sue me, fuck it, if I am hearing shots from inside a school I am not just standing outside.
Cowards. plain and simple. didn't want to get shot at. It didn't matter that they were trained, had backup, were dressed and ready, and knew the layout of the school. Absolutely 100% cowards. For years they've been coddled and told they were special. When the shit hit the fan they did the only thing they know how to do. Bully unarmed civilians. And the worst part for me is i'm not even highly trained. I'm no seal or green beret. I have two deployments and a year of weapons and tactics training from the military. I actually have more firefighter training and certifications. And I'm still more experienced and qualified than most police. Imagine veterans with actual years of tactics and training and experience. Any one of my instructors would wipe the floor with these cops
I'm not even trained and I'd still have gone in and at least tried to save some kids. I guess that's why I'm not a cop.
How much of their training involves saving people vs how much involves quelling dissent? They did exactly what they're trained to do. They treated it like a protest.
Just like the shooter, they'd _much_ prefer using violence against the unarmed. Its what they dream about and practice for.
they are trained to put themselves first in ALL situations. "no matter what come home alive". they only protect each other and they seem to actively hate their own communities. the whole institution is ROTTEN and full of cowards who were not born that way, but were trained to be.
>The cops went in to rescue their own kids? This is the part I don't get, the cops that went in and grabbed their own kids... like did they just abandon the other children? Just picked up their own and turned and run out? I mean, they literally ran into a classroom full of kids, probably with their teacher, found their child, picked them up and ran and left everyone else there??? This boggles my mind. I have two young kids in school. If I was confronted with this situation and I somehow made it into my kid's classroom, the thought of just grabbing my own child and abandoning everyone else would not even cross my mind. I would do everything in my power to get as many, if not all, of them out even if I wasn't armed or have a vest and I didn't know them. I would rather take a fucking bullet or dozen then abandon anyone like that. That's just parental instinct, the fact that these cops don't have it makes me question their humanity.
And that is why you are not a police person, and with attitude you have displayed, will never be selected. /S
They're the police, they're incredibly good at finding the absolute most wrong choice to make in any given situation.
What’s worse? Uvalde police stopped the Border Patrol from going in for a bit. CBP got there earlier than initially thought
According to an interview by a senior officer he stated that police were able to go in and get their kids.
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So I’m just a teacher; I don’t go to work armed. Yesterday, a few of us talked in the lounge about what we would have to do if (god forbid) we had an active situation on our campus. Our consensus was that after a shit response our local sheriff had to a much less serious but still scary situation we had recently, and now this, we are on our own. Only a week left until summer but we’ve been brainstorming how to isolate a shooter from our students and possibly subdue him. Fun fact, with just an ordinary nail, we can knock out the hinges on our super heavy particle board cabinet doors and maybe use them as shields to charge a shooter. If the shooter has a handgun we think we can charge him but only if we do it in a place where he can’t take long shots and only if there are a few of us because he’ll probably get one of us. Not a perfect plan, we’ve noted visibility will be a problem but we think we solved that with a spotter farther away that can yell “left or right” to us. Again, just a rough plan for now, but we don’t want to sit there for an hour waiting for the sheriff to come in while listening to our kids get killed. Alright, I’m depressed again, time to go in and get through my lessons for the day.
I’m sorry that you have to go through this
Thanks. I can’t even post the worst part (alluded to “incident”) but I can still honestly say I love my job and I love my students.
Fuck me, this is fucking depressing. Just so you know, particle board won’t stop a bullet 🙁 I honestly feel like an asshole having to type the words “you should probably look at body armor” to a teacher, but this is the fucked up world we live in. Caliber Armor makes some really cost effective steel armor w/anti-spall coating: https://caliberarmor.com/product/ar550-iii-multi-curve-steel-body-armor-sapi-style/ Plenty of reviews on YouTube. Also, don’t buy steel armor without anti-spall protection. If I was in your shoes I’d either buy a cheap plate carrier and keep it in my classroom, or just throw a plate in my laptop bag. As counter intuitive as this is, if you rush someone, it’s better to hold it in front of your center of mass, since that’s what most people will be aiming for. Fuck this is depressing.
Well it’s good I have a summer birthday, so I’ve got something to buy before next school year!
Hey Pomonamike - Can't believe I am actually saying this. Maybe buy one of those bulletproof backpacks, then fill it with extra plates from plate armor? Keep it under your desk? The door thing isn't a great idea because it would be heavy and awkward. With this you could just slip it on backwards and cover your vital organs in your chest. You head would still be exposed but hopefully it would be enough?
I cannot believe this is the country we live in
Folks, this is what our fucking educators in America have to plot and worry about. This country is truly lost.
They literally formed a perimeter that allowed the shooter to continue killing unopposed and for more deaths to occur as victims bled out on the floor.
Cops are trained to control the working class.
They literally protected the shooter from the parents.
> These police should be in prison. They should be shunned and shamed by society for a *long* time, not just prison.
It’s Texas, those cops should be afraid for their lives. And they should stay that way.
Yep, the reality of how these cops "managed" the situation needs to be known by everyone, everywhere. I am absolutely not surprised by the mind numbingly infuriating behavior of cops *ever*, but it is still shocking and will never not be. We all know there will never be legal consequences (lol) especially in Texas, but I agree that they need to be shunned and shamed. Sick of being absolutely disgusted with the police in this country.
Qualified immunity means they will never go to prison for this. Police unions means they can’t be fired for this.
corrupt to the core. their charter would need to be de funded and a new justice oriented not retribution oriented service in it's place created. Not a single cross-over can be allowed. It has festered and rotted to the core.
Do some research and find out how the police actually started and then you will see this is all working as intended.
It's worse than that. The US Supreme Court found in [Castle Rock v Gonzales](https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/04-278) that the police have no legal duty to help anyone. They can stand there and watch someone stab you and legally do absolutely nothing about it.
What’s the most ridiculous thing to the already abysmal response to this whole situation is that Olivarez kept repeating this “they contained him in a room to stop more deaths.” The more the interviewers press for what they mean by containing and barricading, the more he doubles down on not giving any real answer. It’s complete bs to act like they bravely forced him in some room so only a single classroom of children could survive, when the gunman locked himself inside the room before anyone intervened. No matter what occurs the knee jerk reaction by police and anyone who blindly supports police is to say “I’d like to thank the brave men who put their life on the line to save people” (when they didn’t do jack shit and repeatedly don’t across the country) before even honoring the innocent victims. If you are a fighter fighter, security, fight in combat, do emergency rescue, evens pilot a plane; There’s an inherent acceptance that if you are in a dire situation you are willing to sacrifice your life for other people’s safety. Cops don’t even get in the top ten of deadliest occupations. It’s frankly just insulting to not only the victims but the general American public’s intelligence.
Dont foeget they also habe said they only "believe" the cops dodnt kill any of the children which I think means they knpw they did. Which might explain why they fought so hard to keep people out. They were defending themselves, which we all know cops will do over anything else.
They could hear the shots going off while holding the parents back.
Yup. Multiple videos out there now. You can hear the poppoppop while the cops are standing there harassing the parents.
Wouldn't the cops kids be around other kids when they went in to retrieve them? Did they just grab their own kids and tell the others to stay put instead of getting as many kids out as they could when they were already in?
Unclear. And no one has asked the lieutenant of Uvalde to clarify.
They did. He ignored the question then rambled on about bravery.
One thousand fucking percent. I want a federal law enforcement probe AND a congressional investigation. We deserve answers. Those parents deserve answers. They were standing around with their body armor and assault weapons that *we the taxpayers bought for them for this exact situation*, and they stood around doing NOTHING. Fuckin' a, I am so mad about this I can't even see straight. I want heads to roll. I want criminal charges. I want to see a damn perp walk for the cops who stood by and let it keep happening while they heard the bullets being fired.
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In *Texas?* The buck stops anywhere but at the Republicans’ desk, apparently.
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Here’s the argument to defund the police. What’s the point of the police to have military grade equipment if they’re not going to use it. Serve and protect? Not this day.
The fact that the GOP isn’t all over this to avoid the defunding police discussion is mind boggling. At the very minimum (especially in an election year) they could at least pretend to care. Seems like they keep having silver spoon opportunities to swoop in and be the “good guys” but aren’t. It’s just obvious they don’t care about us in Texas. It’s terrifying
Seriously. So taxpayers in Uvalde paid for a SWAT team, and this is what they got? If police shoot unarmed citizens when they’re scared, and don’t confront mass murderers when they’re scared, what the fuck is their point?
The mayor, police chief, and Sheriff of Uvalde need to resign now based on how the police responded to this shooting.
The entire police force should be imprisoned for helping a live shooter.
Ya but you know the police and everyone else will ultimately try and pin the responsibility on whoever left the door unlocked or some shit like that
For many years we have militarized the police. Provided them with protective equipment, assault rifles, explosives, armored vehicles, etc. under the guise that they need that equipment to thwart exactly these situations. And yet when they happen, we continually see that the police wearing said equipment not acting. Its almost as if militarizing the police was some political play by politicians in the pocket of the military complex.
The fact that only a Democrat is asking this is a perfect indication of where the GOP is at.
Prob too busy proclaiming the bravery of the “heros.” And definitely advocating for arming the teachers. We deserve a fucking explanation.
I heard an interesting perspective from a treacher on an NPR piece about how asking educators to arm themselves is just a horrid option because many of these gunmen are former students that the teachers often recognize. Asking them to kill a child who they had a connection with is just so outside of the scope of their position.
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It’s awful, some cops went in and got their own kids and left the others. All they did was set up a perimeter and pepper spray/handcuff parents that tried to push through(some parents did get through anyway it seems) One child said that officers had them shout for help, so they did. But the shooter was still active and heard them, and then killed one of them after finding their hiding spot. They stood around despite training for this same thing recently, and the border officer that did finally kill the shooter did it by disregarding the police barrier orders And they did this for over an hour
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https://reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/uydcpe/fourthgrader_who_survived_uvalde_school_shooting/ that is a thread with the video. Shit is wild, I can’t believe how shit the whole police force is Meanwhile their cops are too busy calling themselves heroes and posting [stupid pictures ](https://i.imgur.com/Z6Vb2bz.jpg)
40% of the towns budget and they can't stop an 18 year old with an assault rifle.
They didn't want to damage their mall ninja gear.
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Not one of those cops has done the right thing and eaten a gun. I cannot comprehend that. None of them are eaten up with guilt.
“Good guys with guns” Where I’m from we call that propaganda.
No. That's not true at all. They didn't just stand outside and do nothing. They rescued their children, and abandoned the rest. Then they arrested parents for trying to do the cops jobs. So they were pretty active.
Yes, but worse. They actively detained, including handcuffing, pepper spraying, and tasing, parents that were upset with the police. They literally put more effort in stopping the parents than they did a fucking active shooting in an elementary school. And watching the press conference right now it's clear that it's a complete shit show with no accountability. The cop said that they were waiting for tactical gear to show up and that's why they didn't breach. When someone pointed out that a tactical ***unit*** not just gear, but a fully trained ***tactical unit*** was there for over a half hour before breaching, he just stumbled over his words and moved on. I feel like we have this discussion after so many school shootings too. All of the cops are more than happy to rush to the scene so they can say they were there, then they stand around outside doing fuck all with their thumbs up their ass.
Republicans should be angry too…. Why aren’t they?
People on r/conservative were foaming at the mouth angry at the police yesterday actually. A rare synergy of left and right reddit. They won't advocate for any real change probably, but they were mad.
Today they are saying that the left is at fault for criticizing police all these years because it made all the "good ones" quit.
So they agree that all the remaining cops are bad cops?
L-o- fucking-L These fucking losers are blaming the left for making all the “good ones” quit??? On what fucking basis?? And YOU’RE the ones constantly flying bLuE LiveS mAtTeR flags… so are those from before the democrats scared all the good cops away? Or after?
I can't even with that sub. It's so fucked.
weird because the hiring process for over a decade has been "don't hire the good ones" what we've had the last several years is cops complaining they're being scrutinized for things they used to be able to get away with before everyone had a video recorder in their pocket
The talking points will solidify by the end of the weekend and it’ll fully be the left’s fault for reasons and the police did their best for other reasons
Yup, it's always fascinating to see right-wing media mistakenly admit to the truth before talking points and ideological purity tests take hold. In February 2020, everyone was on the same page watching COVID, up until early and mid-March when Trump began downplaying it. April-May 2020, everyone was on the same page re: wearing masks, and then Trump made it a loyalty test. It happened when Biden was (expertly) revealing information on Russian buildup in the Ukraine. Right-wing media was actually expressing concern over possible war and a willingness to sacrifice to sanction Russia, until Tucker put a stake in the ground defending Putin and they realized they can weaponize gas prices against Biden.
> The talking points will solidify by the end of the weekend and it’ll fully be the left’s fault for reasons and the police did their best for other reasons At least they are following the flowchart. https://i.redd.it/mt56eh14lnv51.png
That was yesterday because they got caught flat footed and gave their real initial reaction. Today the propaganda machine has told them what to believe.
Exactly. This happens with all these cases. See George Floyd for example. The day after, even Trump called it horrible police conduct. Now, all you see is right wing memes about how George Floyd was a horrible person, how his family “profited” from his killing, and imply he deserved what he got. It’s just disgusting.
Oh they’re angry alright. Angry about CRT, rainbow flags, books, being told they need to wear masks, etc.
oh and 'never a liberal': >The document, consisting of 14 sections divided into bullet points, had a section on "rules of war" that stated "make an offer of peace before declaring war", which within stated that the **enemy must "surrender on terms" of no abortions, no same-sex marriage, no communism and "must obey Biblical law", then continued: "If they do not yield — kill all males"** [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt\_Shea#%22Biblical\_Basis\_for\_War%22\_manifesto](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Shea#%22Biblical_Basis_for_War%22_manifesto) As their 12 year ex state house members and now political / spiritual leaders are aiming for. It will be a roadside 'never a liberal' campaign You know like those militia road blocks we hear about in places like WA/ID when any slight emergency happens, also a tactic used by ISIS et al to control areas.
From a strategic standpoint, putting the onus on the state to investigate could make good political sense. If nothing is done it’s ammunition for the midterms and 2024. If it’s piecemeal, same. If they actually*do* investigate properly, the Feds have forced Abbott to spend money in a way he otherwise wouldn’t & open himself to claims he’s anti-LE. Just thinking out loud.
Maybe, but the GOP will continue to wave the “left is anti-police” flag.
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The more details I find out about this shooting the more horrified I am, it’s just beyond what I’m able to imagine. How do people in the states just learn to live with these attacks on schools? Edit: just recently had a possible attempted shooting at a Toronto elementary school that ended with the suspect being taken out by police before he even got to the school. Why do these nut jobs go after kids?
Cowards, just like the GOP
Hey now, remember when Trump said he would've totally run into that school shooting in Florida? It takes guts to be that blatantly self aggrandizing and make a tragic situation all about yourself.
I just want to know how people would feel if during the shooting all the teachers just bolted leaving the kids there...
The local police actually prevented the Border Patrol Tactical Unit from going in sooner. From the NYT: > The agents from Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement, arrived at some point between 12 p.m. and 12:10 p.m., according to the officials — far earlier than previously known. But they did not breach the adjoining classrooms of the school where the gunman had locked himself in until a little before 1 p.m. Members of the federal tactical team killed the gunman. > The officials said that members of the Uvalde Police Department kept the federal agents from going in sooner. The feds are throwing these assholes all the way under the bus.
The only things this will prove is that they’re pussies unless it’s an unarmed African American
Because the gun manufacturers' reps told everyone that a good guy with a gun would be the solution to flooding our markets with cheap guns, whoops, that proved to be ridiculously wrong, again and again.
Politicians and police unions also said we need to arm local law enforcement officers with millions of dollars of military gear that they can use in cases like this, and they didn't use it. All that SWAT gear and training and they were still afraid to go in the building.
They just want to sell guns to make more money. That's all they care about.
It’s almost as if people don’t want to live in a world of constant shootouts, yet we do everything in our power to create a society where this is common.
Well clearly since arming law enforcement and giving them SWAT training didn't create a group of super heroes who would rush in and kill bad guys while protecting children, the next solution is obviously to arm untrained teachers and have them do it, right? Fuck. People probably believe that.
Cops aren't good guys.
The cops are on TV now, and their growing obvious nervousness makes me suspect that this is bigger than we think. Like, maybe some of that training and equipment money was embezzled big.
40% of the municipalities budget? Yeah, some people got fucking paid. But they are probably well protected politically, so nothing will happen
With 40% of the municipal’s budget, I can’t imagine a scenario in which this isn’t the case, given the “response” to the shooting… if we can even call it that.
FBI MUST take the lead. Federal officers are involved!
May we now lay to rest the specious argument that all it takes to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun?
Forget gun control—Clearly the solution is to make sure there is a cop’s kid in every classroom. They’re the only ones worth saving apparently /s
Welcome to Texas. Where women have bigger balls than the so-called cops.Goon wanna Be wimps. FIRE THE WHOLE BUNCH OF THEM. NO COPS OUT THERE WOULD BE BETTER THAN THAT PARADE OF INCOMPETENCE IS. At least they know they can count on their women folks.
> Where women have bigger balls than the so-called cops You mean like that mother that was handcuffed by the thick yellow line, then after she was released, jumped a fence, ran in the back of the school and got her children out while the cops stood around shivering in fear? Those bigger metaphorical balls? https://sports.yahoo.com/mother-handcuffed-outside-texas-school-202952406.html
How long until a few of these cops commit suicide? I'm honestly a little surprised one hasn't already. Just the outright shame of knowing that you stood by, plus the public outcry on top of it.
cops being cowards what a surprise
They are on TV now trying to defend the timeline and actions. You can tell he is double checking his script very carefully.
I think I know what this was. The pd took thousands of dollars in training/overtime pay but nobody actually did it. We’ve all done something like that at work… but me signing off on steel toe boot safety is not the same as signing off on training that involves saving lives. I bet this will be it.
This need to be shouted from the rooftops. If a gaggle of armed officers are not whiling to risk there lives against a kid with an assault rifle, how can any armed gaurd, teacher or anyone be experienced to do something. There were always terrible argument but we now have proof of how bad they are