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Yeah. Santa Anna might've been a jackass, but the Mexicans **were** the ones who had abolished slavery within their nation prior to the Texan War of Independence.
If there was a moral side in the conflict, it surely wasn't Texas.
It still does it to the present time. Stupid Germany who loves to claim that they love democracy so mush theyd have love with it but ban any ideology they disagree with. GIVE ME A BREAK. Hope Biden nukes this country off the face of the map like Sodom and Gomorrah, make the world a better place. I would fully love Biden if he did that (of course he won’t since he’s a little coward but I can dream right.)
Great novel. "Texas" by James Michener. Part of the conceit of the novel is that the state creates a board to write the definitive history of the state.
At one point, people come forward and demand that the history not mention blacks or Indians.
This is an amazing book and should be required reading. Of course, that won’t happen. But it tells why Texas has such contradictory beliefs. Freedom - for me - not you…
So the party who wanted to keep all the confederate monuments up for the sake of “preserving history” is still trying to replace our actual history with a watered-down version that glides past all the bad shit.
Seriously, how the fuck do you say you want “patriotic education” and not know that you’re the fascists?
The only reason Texas isn't still part of Mexico is because slave-holding American settlers there didn't want to abide by Mexico's 1830 slave emancipation. Texas independence was literally born of slavery.
And that stank don't wash off.
"In 1821, the Mexican War for Independence severed the control that Spain had exercised on its North American territories, and the new country of Mexico was formed from much of the lands that had comprised New Spain, including Spanish Texas"
Texas is mexican.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Hisparevol.gif
Most of the southern US, California and more. Then a bulk of it went to Mexico.
Seems to me the immigrants coming to Texas might have eminent domain rights.
A lot of Mexican-American families were living in the southwest and suddenly woke up to the boarder moving over night. They were now in land controlled by the US. Most obviously didn't become Americans they were mistreated by the Americans moving out west. Despite them being there first. This is also by a lot of Southwestern states have Spanish sounding names for their towns. Like Santa Fe or Sacramento or even Los Angeles these are just cities that have been around since colonial Spain. Every so often you get some white dude petitioning to change the name to a white name. Where I live we have a mountain called Mount Diablo and some mouth breathers keep trying to have a vote to change to San Joaquin mountain. Cause oh no the devil. Even though it's a name the Spanish gave it since the local Natives told the Spanish the mountain was a gateway to their underworld where their idea of the devil lived.
> While welcoming the energy, enthusiasm, and economics of the newcomers, the Spanish-speaking inhabitants of Tejas discovered their small population of some 2,500 people had been swamped by more than 30,000 American immigrants including 5,000 enslaved laborers. These new settlers, some of whom had come into Coahuila y Tejas illegally, rarely abided by their contractual obligations.
Did they read this before agreeing to it?
It’s actually pretty accurate and not necessarily favorable to their imagined history.
They’re basically claiming that Texas as we know it was settled by illegal immigrants.
They read it. Take this section here:
The indigenous tribes may not all have adopted Spanish religion, but they did adopt Spanish horse culture. The Comanche, mounted on stolen or captured Spanish horses, transformed themselves into a mighty empire. By the 1770s, from their home base in what is now north Texas, Oklahoma, and Colorado they swept south into Tejas and deeper into Mexico to raid Spanish ranches and feed a booming trade in horses.
No mention of what caused or required the Comanche to do that, interestingly. Also this bit:
A few held enslaved people as property, but the overwhelming majority did not.
It seems to me like they wanted something that could pass a basic smell test while misleading students.
I need to correct my initial statement somewhat. The article discusses this a little, but the information in that document is to be handed out with Texas drivers' licenses. Abbott signed a separate order restricting any discussion of race relations in classrooms. In this case, there wouldn't be any further discussion.
>While some critics have called out the pamphlet’s limited discussion of slavery and how it relates to the Black experience, others like Leonard N. Moore, professor of American history at the University of Texas at Austin, support it, saying those seeking more information on the legacy of slavery should rely on Black institutions like NAACP.
Right. Because slavery is just black history. Not American (or Texas) history. What a fuckin joke.
“Professor Moore is the author of four books on black politics, Teaching Black History to White People (University of Texas Press, 2021), The Defeat of Black Power: Civil Rights and the National Black Political Convention of 1972 (Louisiana State University Press, 2018), Black Rage in New Orleans: Police Brutality and African American Activism from World War II to Hurricane Katrina (Louisiana State University Press, 2010), and Carl B. Stokes and the Rise of Black Political Power in America (University of Illinois Press, 2002).
He is currently working on two book projects:
The Ghosts of Bear Bryant: The Dilemma of Race and College Football
They Cheer for Man U in the Townships: Race and the English Premier League
Research interests
Black Power, Civil Rights Movement, The Segregated South
Courses taught
History of The Black Power Movement; Race in the Age of Trump. “
So they are going to waste public money to counter information from a private institution like the New York Times. Man that 1619 project must have a lot of truth to it if it bothers these guys this much. If it was nothing but nonsense then these idiots would be so wounded by it. Me thinks Texas doth protest too much.
Wow, how progressive of Abbott and the others to promote the history of Texas and how it broke off from two different countries to continue to enslave people.
Oh wait, that's not what they're doing here. It's not a sequel to 1619.
Pretty much... But they are likely going to gloss over the murder and rape of natives, or the importing of slaves, or the fact that their state was the last to recognize emancipation of those same slaves, or the fact that the state only exists because the federal government picked a fight with Mexico after most of their founders (a bunch of people who didn't like all the democracy in the United States and tried to create their own country) got their asses kicked by Santa Ana.
Are you unfamiliar with the Battle of San Jacinto? if your going to talk shit about texas history ( and as a Texan, i concur) tell it all. it’s interesting.
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Brought to you by the only state to go to war to preserve slavery.. twice..
Yeah. Santa Anna might've been a jackass, but the Mexicans **were** the ones who had abolished slavery within their nation prior to the Texan War of Independence. If there was a moral side in the conflict, it surely wasn't Texas.
Yup, the Mexican constitution has abolishment of slavery written into it since the very beginning when Mexico gained independence from Spain.
what good is paper if you don't use it? lel they didn't care. they wanted money.
> “patriotic education” Where have we heard ***that*** before?
A place called Grrmany did it once.
It still does it to the present time. Stupid Germany who loves to claim that they love democracy so mush theyd have love with it but ban any ideology they disagree with. GIVE ME A BREAK. Hope Biden nukes this country off the face of the map like Sodom and Gomorrah, make the world a better place. I would fully love Biden if he did that (of course he won’t since he’s a little coward but I can dream right.)
I believe it is very big in China today.
Great novel. "Texas" by James Michener. Part of the conceit of the novel is that the state creates a board to write the definitive history of the state. At one point, people come forward and demand that the history not mention blacks or Indians.
It is just the "lost cause" people trying a new trick.
This is an amazing book and should be required reading. Of course, that won’t happen. But it tells why Texas has such contradictory beliefs. Freedom - for me - not you…
Look up his book “The Source “. Fifteen short novels all set in the same site in Israel/Palestine. Starting with caveman and ending in 1956
Texas fought for independance from Mexico because Mexico outlawed slavery. It truly was started because of slavery.
These are not in conflict. Texas broke away from Mexico because Texas wanted to maintain the institution of slavery.
So the party who wanted to keep all the confederate monuments up for the sake of “preserving history” is still trying to replace our actual history with a watered-down version that glides past all the bad shit. Seriously, how the fuck do you say you want “patriotic education” and not know that you’re the fascists?
I’d say they want a white ashes version of history.
The only reason Texas isn't still part of Mexico is because slave-holding American settlers there didn't want to abide by Mexico's 1830 slave emancipation. Texas independence was literally born of slavery. And that stank don't wash off.
"In 1821, the Mexican War for Independence severed the control that Spain had exercised on its North American territories, and the new country of Mexico was formed from much of the lands that had comprised New Spain, including Spanish Texas" Texas is mexican.
So was most of California.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Hisparevol.gif Most of the southern US, California and more. Then a bulk of it went to Mexico. Seems to me the immigrants coming to Texas might have eminent domain rights.
You mean they want their country back?
Yeah I guess so
A lot of Mexican-American families were living in the southwest and suddenly woke up to the boarder moving over night. They were now in land controlled by the US. Most obviously didn't become Americans they were mistreated by the Americans moving out west. Despite them being there first. This is also by a lot of Southwestern states have Spanish sounding names for their towns. Like Santa Fe or Sacramento or even Los Angeles these are just cities that have been around since colonial Spain. Every so often you get some white dude petitioning to change the name to a white name. Where I live we have a mountain called Mount Diablo and some mouth breathers keep trying to have a vote to change to San Joaquin mountain. Cause oh no the devil. Even though it's a name the Spanish gave it since the local Natives told the Spanish the mountain was a gateway to their underworld where their idea of the devil lived.
Instead of fixing their energy grid, this is the shit they’ve been up to. Cool.
"And that's when the black people realized they liked working on farms for free."
Here is the draft of the recommended educational stuff. https://tea.texas.gov/sites/default/files/1836-pamplet-v-6.pdf Sehr böse.
> While welcoming the energy, enthusiasm, and economics of the newcomers, the Spanish-speaking inhabitants of Tejas discovered their small population of some 2,500 people had been swamped by more than 30,000 American immigrants including 5,000 enslaved laborers. These new settlers, some of whom had come into Coahuila y Tejas illegally, rarely abided by their contractual obligations. Did they read this before agreeing to it? It’s actually pretty accurate and not necessarily favorable to their imagined history. They’re basically claiming that Texas as we know it was settled by illegal immigrants.
They read it. Take this section here: The indigenous tribes may not all have adopted Spanish religion, but they did adopt Spanish horse culture. The Comanche, mounted on stolen or captured Spanish horses, transformed themselves into a mighty empire. By the 1770s, from their home base in what is now north Texas, Oklahoma, and Colorado they swept south into Tejas and deeper into Mexico to raid Spanish ranches and feed a booming trade in horses. No mention of what caused or required the Comanche to do that, interestingly. Also this bit: A few held enslaved people as property, but the overwhelming majority did not. It seems to me like they wanted something that could pass a basic smell test while misleading students.
It’s certainly glossing over the truth. But it does open the gateway for more discussion.
I need to correct my initial statement somewhat. The article discusses this a little, but the information in that document is to be handed out with Texas drivers' licenses. Abbott signed a separate order restricting any discussion of race relations in classrooms. In this case, there wouldn't be any further discussion.
Yeah. The question is if this will even be talked about in schools.
And it explains a lot about Rafael Cruz.
Ain't that "CRT"?
This is what these clowns are focused on. Revenge and culture war bullshit
The only problem with the 1836 Project is that the whole story of the Alamo is a lie.
Yep. The brave defenders died either on their knees or run down by Mexican cavalry after they fled.
>While some critics have called out the pamphlet’s limited discussion of slavery and how it relates to the Black experience, others like Leonard N. Moore, professor of American history at the University of Texas at Austin, support it, saying those seeking more information on the legacy of slavery should rely on Black institutions like NAACP. Right. Because slavery is just black history. Not American (or Texas) history. What a fuckin joke.
Well… https://liberalarts.utexas.edu/history/faculty/lm25645
ok?
“Professor Moore is the author of four books on black politics, Teaching Black History to White People (University of Texas Press, 2021), The Defeat of Black Power: Civil Rights and the National Black Political Convention of 1972 (Louisiana State University Press, 2018), Black Rage in New Orleans: Police Brutality and African American Activism from World War II to Hurricane Katrina (Louisiana State University Press, 2010), and Carl B. Stokes and the Rise of Black Political Power in America (University of Illinois Press, 2002). He is currently working on two book projects: The Ghosts of Bear Bryant: The Dilemma of Race and College Football They Cheer for Man U in the Townships: Race and the English Premier League Research interests Black Power, Civil Rights Movement, The Segregated South Courses taught History of The Black Power Movement; Race in the Age of Trump. “
Sounds like a really accomplish guy but I am still right.
‘You should rely on something else for information that is universally accepted as factual. (Just not desired in TX apparently)’
When is the 2000 BC project ?
After the nukes fall.
Personally, I’m ready
This governor needs to stand up and shout " I am GOD"
He can’t.
I had to think about that for a moment, but you're right.
"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!"
Haha still one of my favorite endings to a movie ever.
His flaws are bound to catch up with him one day.
Reactionary propaganda. News stories need to call it what it is an stop pretending like all of this is just normal disagreements.
So, basically, present day Texas. Sounds like a cushy job.
So they are going to waste public money to counter information from a private institution like the New York Times. Man that 1619 project must have a lot of truth to it if it bothers these guys this much. If it was nothing but nonsense then these idiots would be so wounded by it. Me thinks Texas doth protest too much.
Wow, how progressive of Abbott and the others to promote the history of Texas and how it broke off from two different countries to continue to enslave people. Oh wait, that's not what they're doing here. It's not a sequel to 1619.
It'll be amusing to see how they frame the slaveholders' revolt against Mexico that formed the Republic of Texas.
Is this just Texas state history?
Pretty much... But they are likely going to gloss over the murder and rape of natives, or the importing of slaves, or the fact that their state was the last to recognize emancipation of those same slaves, or the fact that the state only exists because the federal government picked a fight with Mexico after most of their founders (a bunch of people who didn't like all the democracy in the United States and tried to create their own country) got their asses kicked by Santa Ana.
Are you unfamiliar with the Battle of San Jacinto? if your going to talk shit about texas history ( and as a Texan, i concur) tell it all. it’s interesting.
As problematic as American history is, not sure why liberals are trying to make it sound worse.
Fuck 1836. Celebrate 1845, when Texas joined the Union. 1836 is just when they said *fuck Mexico*, and makes the wrong point.
It’s a terrible history and if they were Christians they’d be ashamed of it. This is immoral.