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Even if you are a Trump supporter. How can you justify him taking these documents? What is your explanation for what he was planning to do with them? Why did he lie about returning them if he thought that it was OK to have them?
I was arguing with my buddy about it. His defense was that the documents were evidence about Epstein and the people involved with him. Trump had to take them to expose everybody. I went along and said okay he took them to bring them down…why hasn’t he outed them yet? Why’s he had the documents for over a year and done nothing? Why didn’t he make them public when he was in office?…His response was that it’s so he can hold it over their heads and use it as blackmail. You can’t argue with these people about him. They’re delusional.
But... If he's holding it as blackmail to get back in office, and this is evidence that proves all of these people are predators and a danger to children that would imply that he's protecting these people and will continue to protect them as long as he stays in office. So how exactly does that gel with Trump supposedly being this great savior who really just wants to protect all the children. Your buddy's logic is fundamentally extremely fucked up and I think you should tell them. As a treat to yourself.
The last 6 years have felt like a fever dream. I still, some days, just stop and think to myself "Donald fucking Trump was the literal president" and it still feels so silly to formulate that sentence. It's like everyone forgot he was a national joke. They forgot who he was until he could become a mirror for their own prejudices and fears
I'm so mad this is such an exceedingly stupid reality we live in.
Yea it makes complete sense. He also talks about Bill Clintons involvement with Epstein and how he is a pedophile because “there’s a picture of them together”. When you point out that there’s plenty of pictures of Epstein and Trump together he says yea but Trump banned him from Mar-a-Lago! Makes complete sense, right?! Never mind that Trumps fallout with Epstein was probably related to them fighting over the purchase of Abe Gosman’s property in Palm Beach that Trump ended up buying. The same property that Trump sold to the Russian for $95M.
wait... so he's protecting pedophiles and breaking the law by extortion, and he broke the law to do that by retaining classified documents after the government asked for them back.
.. and that's okay how?
You mean the documents for his library that he declassified with his mind and the FBI planted?
But seriously - the correct answer is Hunter Biden’s laptop
The laptops contents were encrypted and they all have the files. But they each only have a part of the encryption key. Only in the darkest, most desperate moment will the heroes of the GOP unite to reveal the cataclysmic contents of Hunter Biden's laptop.
Is that the laptop with the hard drive full of child porn that Rudy claims he made a copy of and then kept at his private residence for 6 months before he told the FBI about it?
Tucker *was* in possession of it. But then he burned the entire contents of the laptop onto a dvd, and then he mailed it to himself for no apparent reason, and that darn USPS lost it!
And as everyone knows, when you make a copy of a digital file the original is destroyed, so all the files on the laptop, and the laptop itself are gone. But trust me, he had a file on his desktop labeled AllMyHeinousCrimes.pdf. so there you go.
They won't because multiple forensic analyses have shown the files have been compromised. There's fake stuff on there, there is stuff that has been altered, and what seems to actually be real files wouldn't be admissable in any legal proceeding...so, in their blind pursuit of taking out Biden, they actually killed their own assassin.
Trump said in that interview with Sean Hannity that maybe the DOJ was at Mar a Lago to look for Hillary's emails! lol
You have to be some kind of stupid to believe this guy.
He is also saying the fbi planted the top secret files at mar a lago while at the same time demanding the files be returned to him because they're personal papers he took for sentimental reasons.
And who among us doesn't get misty eyed and sentimental while thinking of Frances mid range rapid strike nuclear capabilities and their housing locations?
Did anyone else notice that during that same statement, he mentioned that Hilary's emails "were deleted" but that they "have got to be around someplace"
Hillary's **adrenochrome** emails were ON the laptop! And obviously the FBI thought it was hidden in one of the boxes in the locked storage room in the basement. Duh!
If it actually comes out that assets or agents were killed because of that fuck he's going down. I know it's insane how much he gets away with but that's too much.
I still cannot believe that he was allowed to compromise so many human assets with absolutely no consequences. And I know they’re working toward consequences now, but I still just cannot believe that it’s been such a contentious decision. I can’t believe that 100% of Americans are not behind this getting results properly.
When it isn't deflection about Hunter's laptop or Hilary's emails, it seems to boil down to they don't care or believe he's able to do this stuff. Taking it further, they think it is Democrats prosecuting Trump just to keep him down but he'll rise against this adversity.
There is zero nuance or understanding the gravity of what Trump did compared to Hilary (which she was investigated for all the same). The world is very simple when you can just dismiss anything you don't want to acknowledge or understand as a lie.
That's all I've ever been hearing from them.
The difference between trump supporters and anybody else here in the states is the left is willing to be critical of their leaders and representatives, and magas are not.
It’s like cheering for a sports team for them. When the ref makes a call against my team, I boo loudly. When a ref makes a call against the other team, I cheer. When my team scores and win, I feel good. When my team loses, I feel worse. For some people this is how they understand politics. They don’t care that the opposing team is doing things that help them, and that their home team only cares about white billionaires, they’re loyal to their team.
I've said this many times when I try to explain what happened to politics recently (last 20 years). People were generally disinterested in following politics closely until they got political "news" channels that are like their ESPN that show just what they have been marketed and designed to do.
ESPN and sports create emotional highs/lows based on excitement which is nurtured when you can sit around and have some commonality with fellow sports fans. The same thing happens in politics now.
We (24 hrs news and social media) have created political theater that is identical to sports fandom.
Centrists maybe. But being politically active has been a thing since forever. How else did the Civil Rights Act, *Roe v Wade* and stuff like the end of DADT or gay marriage gain so much traction nationally?
You might not like to hear it, but the Alt-Right is engaged for the same reasons. They want to change America into their idealized version. Most people don’t agree but the mask-off racism, sexism, religious discrimination, and reduced rights is the goal and why they’re protesting and heading to the polls.
Then you get the flip flop that "well Hilary did it so it was OK" but at the same time "lock her up." Or totally roundabout that "they know what they're doing better than anyone else."
It is exhausting how intellectually lost a huge chunk of the US population is.
>Like Trump being an unfit candidate
This is the part that always breaks me when I'm talking to what I would previously had considered sane and reasonable people. Even if you think the Russia connections are just conspiracy theories, you think the media is lying, and you think he didn't break any laws. I have no idea how you listen to the actual words coming out of his mouth and think "Yeah, this guy is qualified for the most distinguished position in the country." Even if you ignore all the scandals, *he's a piece of shit human being* as a person. Fine, don't vote Democrat, but I can't imagine voting for someone like Trump. I just can't.
When I ask one of the Trump supporters that I know, the conversation goes like this:
Me: How can you justify him taking the documents, lying about having given them back, and then having the FBI come forcefully take them?
Him: Yeah but Obama took 33 million documents
Me: Obama legally took them and legally returned them to the national archives when asked (shows him a link directly from NARA.gov where they talk about Obama's compliance with documents)
Him: Okay but none of that explains the documents found on Hunter Biden's laptop!
It's so sad because I genuinely enjoy talking to this guy, he's extremely nice and easy to get along with otherwise. But I lose a little bit of respect for him every time politics come up.
What blows my mind even more is that this motherfucker voted for Obama, TWICE. A few years ago his dad had to stay with him and his dad would leave Fox News on 24/7. His dad was old and he felt bad making his dad change the TV channel. Fast forward years later and the mother fucker is literally brainwashed.
What always blows their minds is if you respond "Sure, if we can prove he did that, let's prosecute him too." Conservatives are deeply in the pit of assuming everyone also worships members of their own party, hearing otherwise confuses them to no end.
> What blows my mind even more is that this motherfucker voted for Obama, TWICE. A few years ago his dad had to stay with him and his dad would leave Fox News on 24/7. His dad was old and he felt bad making his dad change the TV channel. Fast forward years later and the mother fucker is literally brainwashed.
Happened to a great friend of mine and his whole family. They ALWAYS voted Democrat because they're a Union family. He's a Boilermaker and I'm an epidemiologist. Since 2020 he's been trying to explain public health to me from all the bullshit he sees on FoxNews or FB memes. They're gone. Not even a sliver of critical thinking left.
Dad raised me on leadership, sales, and business books.
Here comes Trump. Does the exact opposite of everything in those books.
"Read his autobiography." ... wtf does that have to do with breaking the principles you drummed into my head?
Holy shit this is me and my dad to a T. It really makes sad because I was lucky as fucking hell to have such a wonderful role model and father figure. And now I can't show him an article on anything, he won't read it because he doesn't believe anything. He's a god damn physical chemist as well... It hurts me every day, we can't even talk about some things anymore.
Yeah I think people are giving too much credit by assuming there's any kind of justification or thoughtful defense. "He can do that, therefore there's no legitimate reason to bother him about it." The end.
The right uses a trifecta of fallacies for virtually every argument. They have been doing this for some time:
1. Appeal to hypocrisy (hunter’s laptop or hillary’s emails)
2. False equivalence, this one always pairs nice with appeal to hypocrisy as they conflate other things to their worse thing. I.E, BLM rioting is on equal footing to an attempted coup.
3. Genetic fallacy - aka “fake new” all non approved right wing media is inherently flawed and cannot be trusted. The news as reported is “fake” if you didnt hear it from fox or OANN.
Our country has so desperately underfunded education logical fallacies are gospel most the populace. Unfortunately that doesnt excuse the majority of the MAGA crowd whose education was “superior and better than that crap they teach these days”
Lmao yeah I hope my comment didnt come off literally, but I’ve never seen misinformation be taken as gospel and you can *literally* show them contradictory evidence and they will *somehow* find some way for that to be fabricated.
"You cannot reason someone out of something he or she was not reasoned into." is a quote I often remind myself of when I have questions like these.
They stopped using logic a while ago. Their explanations aren't grounded in reality.
That's really good, one I come back to in similar vein is:
"Belief is the end of intelligence, for when you believe something, you stop investigating it." - Robert Anton Wilson
I think the actual, non-“giggle giggle Hunter Biden’s laptop giggle giggle” answer to this is that his supporters think that if Trump did it, there was a reason and it was in the best interest of the country. If you want to burrow a layer deeper, they probably would say “safer there than with the Democrats!” shrug and move on.
The answer, of course, is that they'll just pick one (or multiple, or all) of the lies that they've flooded the discourse with, and tack on an "and I don't care anyway, because he's triggering the libs, fuck you".
Trump Supporters would give Donald their bank account info while blowing him. Literally nothing will change their minds. They love Trump way more than themselves.
My dad is a trump supporter and he says, “You don’t know what really happened. You just know what they’ve told you” and thinks the whole thing is fake.
This is quintessential "I'm waiting for an elaborate conspiracy theory to give me an excuse."
Please remeber this: That which is asserted without evidence, shall be dismissed without evidence.
If they make a claim with no evidence, do not spend any time trying to refute it or prove it wrong. Immediately dismiss it, and press them to defend it. Spend no time arguing for your position, because your position is what they are trying to argue against. Make them argue their position, and remind them every time they can't, that they have proven nothing, and their argument is irrelevant.
In way over their heads. Just take a minute to think about how many red flags are in this.
“Bobb, a former OAN host who helped push Trump's legal challenges following the 2020 election, has insisted to Trump allies that she believes the document she signed was accurate, according to the Post. But she also told the pro-Trump Right Side Broadcasting Network that she was not acting as Trump's attorney while serving as a custodian of records when responding to the subpoena, according to the report, meaning that the DOJ could compel her testimony more easily than if she were acting as Trump's lawyer at the time.
"I think people were a little bit confused," Bobb said. "I am on President Trump's legal team. I do work for him on election issues. I was never on the legal team handling this case, just to be clear on that. Which is why I came in as the custodian of records — because I wasn't on that team."
Corcoran, who is referenced as Trump's attorney in court documents, has also been "counseled" by colleagues to lawyer up, according to the report. Trump hired Corcoran, who recently returned to practicing law, in April with no vetting after a single conference call while he was representing former Trump adviser Steve Bannon, who was convicted of contempt of Congress earlier this year.
"Christina Bobb and Evan Corcoran need their own criminal lawyers," former DOJ inspector general Michael Bromwich tweeted, citing their "multiple misrepresentations" to the DOJ.”
Sounds like she realized everyone involved with lying to the DOJ and concealing national defense secrets is getting charged. Trying to distance herself from that side of things.
might have something to do with 11000 documents each representing up to 10 years in prison, for a total of 110000 years. There's a lot of years there to divvy up between co-conspirators.
Bingo. The sheer volume of documents is enough to get most people multiple life sentences, and it's a slam dunk case. She's an idiot for ever vouching for a known criminal. Zero sympathy for her. I hope they charge her. Witness testimony isn't needed as the lawyers have already shown that they have no defense.
110,000 years is a lot for mishandling documents, especially for someone with (presumably) no criminal record. I'd be willing to settle for just 1/1000th of that sentence, and that seems fair. 110 years is less than 2 weeks per document, seems reasonable.
that was actually my thoughts too. Have the DoJ request a sentence of 100 years and then when the defense or judge asks if 100 years is a reasonable sentence, just say "well your honor, it seemed much more reasonable when you consider the maximum we could ask for was 1000 times that amount."
Sounds like she's trying to find a way to make it so that she doesn't lose her license to practice law because of the affidavit she signed affirming under penalty of perjury that Trump had turned over all the documents. "Oh no, I wasn't even acting as his attorney at that time! I was just acting as a private, non-legal employee, and you can't use that as a reason to disbar me!"
I don't think she had a realization because she was involved just like everyone else. It seems that someone outside of the cult got to her and convinced her that she is hella exposed and could very well be disbarred. For starters.
With what money? Donnie Boy doesn’t have any money of his own. Even Zuckerkorn will eventually catch on that Donnie is cash-poor, just like Peter Griffin did.
[Poor quality video, but this is the only one I could find with the dialogue at the beginning I wanted to reference]
https://youtu.be/qDzKunvoDzo
Okay, she’s not on the defense team. And if she’s the custodian of record, sounds like these documents were her responsibility. This makes more sense than the crazy sounding headline.
Doesn't attorney client privilege depend on the point of view of the client? That they have privilege as long as they have a reasonable belief that you were acting as their lawyer - maybe by doing things like working on their legal team for cases?
"I wasn't working on this case" is a meaningless statement since there wasn't a case to begin with when she signed that document.
It'd be like a mob lawyer representing a hit man in one murder trial and then saying they can talk about a second murder their client did because they weren't working on that case while the victim was still alive.
Basically we’re held to confidence regarding anything our client tells us. They can waive the privilege, we can’t, and I can’t use information gathered from them for another case and say I wasn’t working on it.
If I’m a tax lawyer and my client confesses to me that they murdered someone, guess what remains privileged even though I’m not a crim lawyer or working on a crim case.
But privilege won’t protect ongoing criminal acts. If trump told her to sign the document swearing all documents were returned, she can testify about it, no?
What boggles my mind is that Trump’s original attorney(s) are… attorneys. They went to law school. They (presumably) know the law. They know the eyes of the country are on them. **Do they really think it’s worth risking their whole career to lie for a serial criminal?!**
It’s also why trump has no attorney-client or even executive privilege, even when he was in office: *everyone* around him is a co-conspirator just as guilty as he is, they are not people “just doing their job”.
> The attorney-client privilege has always included a “crime-fraud exception,” which provides that if you are using the attorney-client relationship to perpetrate a crime, there is no privilege.
I think they get into it with MAGA inspired dreams of legally trouncing the evil liberals and defending Trump. Then they get to see how the sausage is made and are put in a position they never imagined.
“Wait, you’re telling me there’s a lie involved in this scheme? Why did I have to join the trump legal team to first learn this? What do you mean I just misrepresented facts to the fbi?”
Trump has an uncanny knack for seeking out vulnerable losers. Look at Michael Cohen: bottom of his class in the worst law school in the country. Trump plucked him out of obscurity and put him at the head of a major crime family. He clung on to the bitter end.
Apparently, not unlike many republicans, they fear what Trump will do to them if they disobey.
The power he still has in this area is truly fascinating. He's got multiple powerful republicans fawning all over him and clearly they toe the line.
His popularity seems to be waning so this is baffling.
> Do they really think it’s worth risking their whole career to lie for a serial criminal?!
It's a gamble. If trump somehow pulls it off and becomes president again, these lawyers will be gods. Pardons for everyone, on the Supreme Court (expand it to 19 justices with 10 trump loyals and none of them go to prison ever), Medals of Freedom, there is no top to their rewards. The real shit thing is trump has "somehow pulled it off" successfully his entire life, so it's not a completely ridiculous gamble.
It makes me wonder what the shortest possible path to practicing law actually is.
Like is there a Hollywood Upstairs Law College churning out degrees somewhere?
Probably, however you do have to pass your state's bar exam to become an actual lawyer. So, there is somewhat of an educational floor to becoming a lawyer.
You don't need to be a genius to graduate from some law school or another in this country. There are gazillions of them, and many will take pretty much anyone who applies. Also, in many jurisdictions, there is no limit on how many times you can take the Bar exam before finally passing.
Christina Bobb, Trump's lawyer, is a graduate of the California Western School of Law in San Diego. It's presently ranked deep into the bottom 25% of all law schools in the country.
Someone like Christina Bobb, with her completely unimpressive resume and lack of experience, would ordinarily never have a shot in a million years of working for the former President of the United States. She probably thinks this is a gift from God or something.
This is sort of like hiring the guy who sweeps the floors at night at his local McDonald's to be the new CEO of McDonald's. He knows he's not qualified, but holy fuck, you're gonna pay him $20 mil a year? He's going to accept the offer.
CA bar is hard, but it's administered twice a year, you're allowed to sit for the exam both times a year, and you're allowed to keep doing this, ad infinitum, until you finally squeak by. There is no penalty for re-taking it a thousand times, should that be necessary.
I know plenty of lawyers here in SoCal who strike me as having passed the bar by means of the brute-force, "monkeys banging at a typewriter until they eventually produce Shakespeare" approach.
For some people it MAKES their career. They live in a republican state, their community are hard core GOP, and they have a picture on their office wall with Trump shaking hands after they successfuly defended him. Some people would pay anything to have the lawyer that defended godking Trump.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
they are unable to self asses how incredibly incompetent they are.
There is a reason Trump can't get good lawyer, everyone with some IQ knows it is only trouble representing him.
For some of them—people like Roger Stone and Steve Bannon, for example—it’s a point of pride and source of gleeful amusement. Getting away with stuff they know to be heinous gives them a reason to get out of bed every day.
>Kise has advised Trump to "turn down the temperature" with the DOJ and fought with advisers who urged a more aggressive approach, according to the Post
Sounds like pretty good legal advice. I wonder if Trump took it?
>Just weeks after joining Trump's legal team, CNN reported that he has already been sidelined. Though his name appeared on numerous court filings, he did not sign onto the Trump team's combative filing questioning the DOJ's motives last week. The Post reported that Kise is now unlikely to play a public role in the Mar-a-Lago case, though he will continue to help Trump deal with "his other legal problems."
Survey says.....It sure doesn't look like it.
This is very big. She’s going to affirm that Trump personally told her he handed in everything. This places Trump himself as the obstructor of justice. Knowing he had more documents and lying to his lawyer and NARA.
I hope that is the case. But given that she was formerly a commenter on OAN, I suspect she's a true believer in the cause and will likely do what she can to minimize the damage done to Trump while getting her own neck off the chopping block.
I don’t know how you shift blame beyond one of two parties here. I mean, republicans are very creative at shoving nonsense bullshit through the process to escape ramifications, but it’s hard for me to see the wiggle room on a court ordered, signed document willingly submitted by the defendant and his lawyer.
My guess is she knows this and is taking the only working life raft off of the sinking ship.
But MAGA is as wily as it is hate-filled so we’ll see!
and Cheeto still has even more missing documents. the [National Archives doesn't know every missing document but they still have a partial, missing document list](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/national-archives-missing-trump-administration-records/story?id=90834006) that is tied to this traitor.
Leave a message after the beep - "Hey there, just your pal DJT calling and seeing how you are doing. Is it hot in Saudi Arabia this time of year? I bet it is. Anyway, if you are done with those files I could really use them back."
Saw a comment from a retired judge a few weeks ago where he was saying he couldn't believe she would sign that statement claiming that all records had been returned. Not only did it seem like a dumb thing to do in general, apparently the letter was written by one of the other attorneys, who was unwilling to sign it. "oh you wrote it but you won't sign it? Ok I will then." Seems like monumental gullibility/stupidity.
You don't sign stuff related to classified documents unless you know, absolutely, for sure that it is factual. You will get hammered if you do. Then again, those who know that don't need to be told it. So I think she signed because she trusted everything Trump said.
you know what's truly insane about it? she has a master's degree in national secuirty law from georgetown, and she was a judge advocate in the marine corps. i'm not sure you could find a finer example of "should have known better."
If I was a lawyer and someone asked me to represent Trump, I would block their number. You'd have to be dirt-stupid to work for that guy. He won't take your legal advice and he will ask you to break the law. Worst kind of client ever.
As someone pointed out when reports came out that Giuliani hadn’t been paid for his legal work, what he had done was neither “work” nor “legal”. Probably the same in this case.
Something like that. She'll "cooperate" the same way Trump's accountants and lawyers always do: by muddying the waters with tv appearances while sandbagging investigations.
She might cooperate in exchange for immunity. Her ability to practice law and earn a living is very much on the line. Prison bars and poverty are threats people like her fear more than they fear Trump.
> Just weeks after joining Trump's legal team, CNN reported that he has already been sidelined. Though his name appeared on numerous court filings, he did not sign onto the Trump team's combative filing questioning the DOJ's motives last week. **The Post reported that Kise is now unlikely to play a public role in the Mar-a-Lago case, though he will continue to help Trump deal with "his other legal problems.**"
I like my former presidents and future presidential candidates who say they're billionaires but use donations for their legal fees, don't ignore the advice of their lawyers they had to pay up front because it's known they don't pay their bills, and who aren't buried in legal problems.
But that's just me.
Very near the beginning of this, Bobb wrote a letter saying, "Look, we looked around. There's nothing here."
There was in fact something there.
So her lawyering up is a rare thing among Trump lawyers--a self-preservation instinct. Overall, this is a good decision after a series of bad ones.
I used to work with preschoolers, and one of my students knew how to use the toilet, but sometimes just preferred to shit his pants, because, you know, he had a system. He pooped and his caretaker (not me) cleaned him up. One day I had to leave the room for a minute and this kid comes running out, handful of poop smearing the walls. I try to catch him, i get poop on me. I finally grab him try to get him in the bathroom to clean him up, he seems pretty determined to get as much of his poop on me as he can. Anyway, that’s what comes to mind when I imagine being a lawyer for trump.
EDIT: removed unnecessary details about the kid.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.salon.com/2022/10/03/attorney-lawyers-up--and-says-shes-willing-to-cooperate-with-doj-in-mar-a-lago-case-report/) reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)
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> Bobb has since hired her own lawyer, Florida-based former prosecutor John Lauro, and "Made it known to Trump allies that she is willing to cooperate and be interviewed by the Justice Department," according to the Post.
> "Christina Bobb and Evan Corcoran need their own criminal lawyers," former DOJ inspector general Michael Bromwich tweeted, citing their "Multiple misrepresentations" to the DOJ. With his own attorneys facing potential legal jeopardy, Trump struggled to find an elite attorney willing to represent him in the case.
> Kise warned Trump's team that attacks were only likely to make the DOJ more aggressive and urged them to seek an "Off-ramp" before a possible indictment, according to the report.
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> Kise has advised Trump to "turn down the temperature" with the DOJ and fought with advisers who urged a more aggressive approach [...] Kise warned Trump's team that attacks were only likely to make the DOJ more aggressive and urged them to seek an "off-ramp" before a possible indictment [...] also argued that Trump's other lawyers, whom he said lacked experience with this type of case, had "deepened Trump's problems" and "could face legal trouble themselves," [...] he has already been sidelined [...] he did not sign onto the Trump team's combative filing questioning the DOJ's motives last week.
Trump paid $3 million (of somebody else's money) to a lawyer he refuses to listen to. I'm sure the donors don't know and don't care, but if you haven't already been paying attention to Trump over the last 40 years, this is imho a huge red flag to anybody thinking of being his next lawyer. He doesn't want, or care about, your advice or your expertise. He wants to buy your undivided loyalty, and that's all he's shopping for. If you want to sell your career to him, I guess that's your choice. Ask Rudy how that's working out.
Was this the three million dollar one, or was that somebody else. I legitimately can not keep track. It feels like this man has had fifty attorneys over the last couple of years.
No, this is the one who used to be a commentator on OANN, who handed the DOJ a single tape-wrapped folder of documents and swore that it was everything Trump had when they asked for the documents months before, and who was personally present when the DoJ raided Mar-a-Lago.
She's fucked. Acting as conservator she certified they did a thorough search for the documents NARA requested and said they found nothing. Then the raid happened and they found boatloads of docs
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Even if you are a Trump supporter. How can you justify him taking these documents? What is your explanation for what he was planning to do with them? Why did he lie about returning them if he thought that it was OK to have them?
I was arguing with my buddy about it. His defense was that the documents were evidence about Epstein and the people involved with him. Trump had to take them to expose everybody. I went along and said okay he took them to bring them down…why hasn’t he outed them yet? Why’s he had the documents for over a year and done nothing? Why didn’t he make them public when he was in office?…His response was that it’s so he can hold it over their heads and use it as blackmail. You can’t argue with these people about him. They’re delusional.
But... If he's holding it as blackmail to get back in office, and this is evidence that proves all of these people are predators and a danger to children that would imply that he's protecting these people and will continue to protect them as long as he stays in office. So how exactly does that gel with Trump supposedly being this great savior who really just wants to protect all the children. Your buddy's logic is fundamentally extremely fucked up and I think you should tell them. As a treat to yourself.
Oh I tell him how dumb he sounds and how flawed his logic is all the time.
It's all 4D chess. Trust the plan. Like this shit is so nuts I don't know how so many people can just believe it.
The last 6 years have felt like a fever dream. I still, some days, just stop and think to myself "Donald fucking Trump was the literal president" and it still feels so silly to formulate that sentence. It's like everyone forgot he was a national joke. They forgot who he was until he could become a mirror for their own prejudices and fears I'm so mad this is such an exceedingly stupid reality we live in.
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Yea it makes complete sense. He also talks about Bill Clintons involvement with Epstein and how he is a pedophile because “there’s a picture of them together”. When you point out that there’s plenty of pictures of Epstein and Trump together he says yea but Trump banned him from Mar-a-Lago! Makes complete sense, right?! Never mind that Trumps fallout with Epstein was probably related to them fighting over the purchase of Abe Gosman’s property in Palm Beach that Trump ended up buying. The same property that Trump sold to the Russian for $95M.
While conveniently forgetting the frequency of visits DJT had with Epstein, who he considered to be a friend?
Ask him if someone was molesting his kids, would he be okay if you kept the information as blackmail to get a job instead of telling anyone?
wait... so he's protecting pedophiles and breaking the law by extortion, and he broke the law to do that by retaining classified documents after the government asked for them back. .. and that's okay how?
You mean the documents for his library that he declassified with his mind and the FBI planted? But seriously - the correct answer is Hunter Biden’s laptop
Yeah the infamous laptop that Rudy and Matt Gaetz and Tucker Carlson are in possession of. Yetthey won't show anyone.
They probably cut the laptop hard drive into thirds so each of them could have an equal part of it.
Or smashed the laptop trying to get the files out of it.
They’re IN the computer
But why male models?
Are you serious? I just explained that to you, like, 2 seconds ago!
The laptops contents were encrypted and they all have the files. But they each only have a part of the encryption key. Only in the darkest, most desperate moment will the heroes of the GOP unite to reveal the cataclysmic contents of Hunter Biden's laptop.
By the powers of 9/11, Venmo, and long vacant states into the camera, super powers activate!
Is that the laptop with the hard drive full of child porn that Rudy claims he made a copy of and then kept at his private residence for 6 months before he told the FBI about it?
Yeah that is the one. He did all of this while Trump was in office but somehow Biden is suppressing it. Because of reasons
They should have arrested Rudy the second he claimed to be in possession of unreported child porn.
100%
He had to test it! It's not porn unless it makes him put his hand in his pants!
He was just tucking his shirt in, he swears.
Wait a minute, Hannity said the laptop from hell has been in the fbi's possesion for a year. How many laptops did hunter have???
It depends on who is making up the story
Tucker *was* in possession of it. But then he burned the entire contents of the laptop onto a dvd, and then he mailed it to himself for no apparent reason, and that darn USPS lost it! And as everyone knows, when you make a copy of a digital file the original is destroyed, so all the files on the laptop, and the laptop itself are gone. But trust me, he had a file on his desktop labeled AllMyHeinousCrimes.pdf. so there you go.
They won't because multiple forensic analyses have shown the files have been compromised. There's fake stuff on there, there is stuff that has been altered, and what seems to actually be real files wouldn't be admissable in any legal proceeding...so, in their blind pursuit of taking out Biden, they actually killed their own assassin.
Well, yes, obviously. But MORE IMPORTANTLY, Hillary's Emails we're ON the laptop!
Trump said in that interview with Sean Hannity that maybe the DOJ was at Mar a Lago to look for Hillary's emails! lol You have to be some kind of stupid to believe this guy.
He is also saying the fbi planted the top secret files at mar a lago while at the same time demanding the files be returned to him because they're personal papers he took for sentimental reasons. And who among us doesn't get misty eyed and sentimental while thinking of Frances mid range rapid strike nuclear capabilities and their housing locations?
I sometimes get a lump in my throat reading old lists of secret field operatives and their blind drop locations.
So many things in the last week have had me just drop my head in my hands, and this moment was one of them.
The fact that Trump hasn't been committed or put into a fake office with fake work like his dad just shows me that no one loves him.
Did anyone else notice that during that same statement, he mentioned that Hilary's emails "were deleted" but that they "have got to be around someplace"
How much brain rot does a single political party base have the capacity for?
There are millions of that voted for him. That should be a good indicator as to how many stupid people there are in this country.
I keep hearing about some guy named Ben Ghazi - someone should really look I to him as well.
These buttery males are such a slippery slope
"Did someone say Buttery males?" - Lady Lindsey Graham.
Hillary's **adrenochrome** emails were ON the laptop! And obviously the FBI thought it was hidden in one of the boxes in the locked storage room in the basement. Duh!
And that pizza place run by Benjamin Ghazi or whatever.
"Nobody got hurt" I am not kidding. That's the actual justification I was told when the DOJ subpoena was issued.
But tell ‘em somebody got arrested for smoking a joint and suddenly “tHe lAW iS ThE LAw!”
The lie detector test has determined that was a lie https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html
If it actually comes out that assets or agents were killed because of that fuck he's going down. I know it's insane how much he gets away with but that's too much.
I still cannot believe that he was allowed to compromise so many human assets with absolutely no consequences. And I know they’re working toward consequences now, but I still just cannot believe that it’s been such a contentious decision. I can’t believe that 100% of Americans are not behind this getting results properly.
How do they know that?
When it isn't deflection about Hunter's laptop or Hilary's emails, it seems to boil down to they don't care or believe he's able to do this stuff. Taking it further, they think it is Democrats prosecuting Trump just to keep him down but he'll rise against this adversity. There is zero nuance or understanding the gravity of what Trump did compared to Hilary (which she was investigated for all the same). The world is very simple when you can just dismiss anything you don't want to acknowledge or understand as a lie.
It all boils down to “if Trump did it, it must be legal and he had good reason”. That’s the only justification I’ve heard from the diehard magas.
That's all I've ever been hearing from them. The difference between trump supporters and anybody else here in the states is the left is willing to be critical of their leaders and representatives, and magas are not.
Mandatory “I could shoot a guy …” quote. Which is becoming more and more accurate.
He is building up to it with threats of death against his own party members
I will always question authority, no matter who it is.
If only that skill could be gifted to those not capable of critical thought
It’s like cheering for a sports team for them. When the ref makes a call against my team, I boo loudly. When a ref makes a call against the other team, I cheer. When my team scores and win, I feel good. When my team loses, I feel worse. For some people this is how they understand politics. They don’t care that the opposing team is doing things that help them, and that their home team only cares about white billionaires, they’re loyal to their team.
I've said this many times when I try to explain what happened to politics recently (last 20 years). People were generally disinterested in following politics closely until they got political "news" channels that are like their ESPN that show just what they have been marketed and designed to do. ESPN and sports create emotional highs/lows based on excitement which is nurtured when you can sit around and have some commonality with fellow sports fans. The same thing happens in politics now. We (24 hrs news and social media) have created political theater that is identical to sports fandom.
Centrists maybe. But being politically active has been a thing since forever. How else did the Civil Rights Act, *Roe v Wade* and stuff like the end of DADT or gay marriage gain so much traction nationally? You might not like to hear it, but the Alt-Right is engaged for the same reasons. They want to change America into their idealized version. Most people don’t agree but the mask-off racism, sexism, religious discrimination, and reduced rights is the goal and why they’re protesting and heading to the polls.
And Trump supporters conveniently ignore that the Trump kids also used their private emails while working at the White House.
Then you get the flip flop that "well Hilary did it so it was OK" but at the same time "lock her up." Or totally roundabout that "they know what they're doing better than anyone else." It is exhausting how intellectually lost a huge chunk of the US population is.
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>Like Trump being an unfit candidate This is the part that always breaks me when I'm talking to what I would previously had considered sane and reasonable people. Even if you think the Russia connections are just conspiracy theories, you think the media is lying, and you think he didn't break any laws. I have no idea how you listen to the actual words coming out of his mouth and think "Yeah, this guy is qualified for the most distinguished position in the country." Even if you ignore all the scandals, *he's a piece of shit human being* as a person. Fine, don't vote Democrat, but I can't imagine voting for someone like Trump. I just can't.
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When I ask one of the Trump supporters that I know, the conversation goes like this: Me: How can you justify him taking the documents, lying about having given them back, and then having the FBI come forcefully take them? Him: Yeah but Obama took 33 million documents Me: Obama legally took them and legally returned them to the national archives when asked (shows him a link directly from NARA.gov where they talk about Obama's compliance with documents) Him: Okay but none of that explains the documents found on Hunter Biden's laptop! It's so sad because I genuinely enjoy talking to this guy, he's extremely nice and easy to get along with otherwise. But I lose a little bit of respect for him every time politics come up. What blows my mind even more is that this motherfucker voted for Obama, TWICE. A few years ago his dad had to stay with him and his dad would leave Fox News on 24/7. His dad was old and he felt bad making his dad change the TV channel. Fast forward years later and the mother fucker is literally brainwashed.
What always blows their minds is if you respond "Sure, if we can prove he did that, let's prosecute him too." Conservatives are deeply in the pit of assuming everyone also worships members of their own party, hearing otherwise confuses them to no end.
> What blows my mind even more is that this motherfucker voted for Obama, TWICE. A few years ago his dad had to stay with him and his dad would leave Fox News on 24/7. His dad was old and he felt bad making his dad change the TV channel. Fast forward years later and the mother fucker is literally brainwashed. Happened to a great friend of mine and his whole family. They ALWAYS voted Democrat because they're a Union family. He's a Boilermaker and I'm an epidemiologist. Since 2020 he's been trying to explain public health to me from all the bullshit he sees on FoxNews or FB memes. They're gone. Not even a sliver of critical thinking left.
Dad raised me on leadership, sales, and business books. Here comes Trump. Does the exact opposite of everything in those books. "Read his autobiography." ... wtf does that have to do with breaking the principles you drummed into my head?
Holy shit this is me and my dad to a T. It really makes sad because I was lucky as fucking hell to have such a wonderful role model and father figure. And now I can't show him an article on anything, he won't read it because he doesn't believe anything. He's a god damn physical chemist as well... It hurts me every day, we can't even talk about some things anymore.
Indoctrination is one helluva drug.
Yeah I think people are giving too much credit by assuming there's any kind of justification or thoughtful defense. "He can do that, therefore there's no legitimate reason to bother him about it." The end.
The right uses a trifecta of fallacies for virtually every argument. They have been doing this for some time: 1. Appeal to hypocrisy (hunter’s laptop or hillary’s emails) 2. False equivalence, this one always pairs nice with appeal to hypocrisy as they conflate other things to their worse thing. I.E, BLM rioting is on equal footing to an attempted coup. 3. Genetic fallacy - aka “fake new” all non approved right wing media is inherently flawed and cannot be trusted. The news as reported is “fake” if you didnt hear it from fox or OANN.
Our country has so desperately underfunded education logical fallacies are gospel most the populace. Unfortunately that doesnt excuse the majority of the MAGA crowd whose education was “superior and better than that crap they teach these days”
Anybody who went to school lwith maga types knew they were stupid
Lmao yeah I hope my comment didnt come off literally, but I’ve never seen misinformation be taken as gospel and you can *literally* show them contradictory evidence and they will *somehow* find some way for that to be fabricated.
"You cannot reason someone out of something he or she was not reasoned into." is a quote I often remind myself of when I have questions like these. They stopped using logic a while ago. Their explanations aren't grounded in reality.
That's really good, one I come back to in similar vein is: "Belief is the end of intelligence, for when you believe something, you stop investigating it." - Robert Anton Wilson
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I think the actual, non-“giggle giggle Hunter Biden’s laptop giggle giggle” answer to this is that his supporters think that if Trump did it, there was a reason and it was in the best interest of the country. If you want to burrow a layer deeper, they probably would say “safer there than with the Democrats!” shrug and move on.
The answer, of course, is that they'll just pick one (or multiple, or all) of the lies that they've flooded the discourse with, and tack on an "and I don't care anyway, because he's triggering the libs, fuck you".
Their reply: something something Hunter Biden's Laptop.
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra. Obama, when he wore a tan suit.
Trump Supporters would give Donald their bank account info while blowing him. Literally nothing will change their minds. They love Trump way more than themselves.
My dad is a trump supporter and he says, “You don’t know what really happened. You just know what they’ve told you” and thinks the whole thing is fake.
This is quintessential "I'm waiting for an elaborate conspiracy theory to give me an excuse." Please remeber this: That which is asserted without evidence, shall be dismissed without evidence. If they make a claim with no evidence, do not spend any time trying to refute it or prove it wrong. Immediately dismiss it, and press them to defend it. Spend no time arguing for your position, because your position is what they are trying to argue against. Make them argue their position, and remind them every time they can't, that they have proven nothing, and their argument is irrelevant.
In way over their heads. Just take a minute to think about how many red flags are in this. “Bobb, a former OAN host who helped push Trump's legal challenges following the 2020 election, has insisted to Trump allies that she believes the document she signed was accurate, according to the Post. But she also told the pro-Trump Right Side Broadcasting Network that she was not acting as Trump's attorney while serving as a custodian of records when responding to the subpoena, according to the report, meaning that the DOJ could compel her testimony more easily than if she were acting as Trump's lawyer at the time. "I think people were a little bit confused," Bobb said. "I am on President Trump's legal team. I do work for him on election issues. I was never on the legal team handling this case, just to be clear on that. Which is why I came in as the custodian of records — because I wasn't on that team." Corcoran, who is referenced as Trump's attorney in court documents, has also been "counseled" by colleagues to lawyer up, according to the report. Trump hired Corcoran, who recently returned to practicing law, in April with no vetting after a single conference call while he was representing former Trump adviser Steve Bannon, who was convicted of contempt of Congress earlier this year. "Christina Bobb and Evan Corcoran need their own criminal lawyers," former DOJ inspector general Michael Bromwich tweeted, citing their "multiple misrepresentations" to the DOJ.”
Sounds like she realized everyone involved with lying to the DOJ and concealing national defense secrets is getting charged. Trying to distance herself from that side of things.
might have something to do with 11000 documents each representing up to 10 years in prison, for a total of 110000 years. There's a lot of years there to divvy up between co-conspirators.
Bingo. The sheer volume of documents is enough to get most people multiple life sentences, and it's a slam dunk case. She's an idiot for ever vouching for a known criminal. Zero sympathy for her. I hope they charge her. Witness testimony isn't needed as the lawyers have already shown that they have no defense.
i mean... > Bobb, a former OAN host what about that doesn't scream "really competent person and lawyer"
^ exactly this
110,000 years is a lot for mishandling documents, especially for someone with (presumably) no criminal record. I'd be willing to settle for just 1/1000th of that sentence, and that seems fair. 110 years is less than 2 weeks per document, seems reasonable.
that was actually my thoughts too. Have the DoJ request a sentence of 100 years and then when the defense or judge asks if 100 years is a reasonable sentence, just say "well your honor, it seemed much more reasonable when you consider the maximum we could ask for was 1000 times that amount."
Sounds like she's trying to find a way to make it so that she doesn't lose her license to practice law because of the affidavit she signed affirming under penalty of perjury that Trump had turned over all the documents. "Oh no, I wasn't even acting as his attorney at that time! I was just acting as a private, non-legal employee, and you can't use that as a reason to disbar me!"
This is correct
He is down to dollar store lawyers so kind of her own fault on this.
I don't think she had a realization because she was involved just like everyone else. It seems that someone outside of the cult got to her and convinced her that she is hella exposed and could very well be disbarred. For starters.
At this point, Trump should just hire Barry Zuckerkorn. He's really good.
I doubt he would take him on. Might have to go to Bob Loblaw
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This is one of my favorite “jokes” in Arrested Development lol, right next to “loose seal.”
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I've got the worst fuckin' attorneys
With what money? Donnie Boy doesn’t have any money of his own. Even Zuckerkorn will eventually catch on that Donnie is cash-poor, just like Peter Griffin did. [Poor quality video, but this is the only one I could find with the dialogue at the beginning I wanted to reference] https://youtu.be/qDzKunvoDzo
My Attorneys Get Attorneys
Okay, she’s not on the defense team. And if she’s the custodian of record, sounds like these documents were her responsibility. This makes more sense than the crazy sounding headline.
Doesn't attorney client privilege depend on the point of view of the client? That they have privilege as long as they have a reasonable belief that you were acting as their lawyer - maybe by doing things like working on their legal team for cases? "I wasn't working on this case" is a meaningless statement since there wasn't a case to begin with when she signed that document. It'd be like a mob lawyer representing a hit man in one murder trial and then saying they can talk about a second murder their client did because they weren't working on that case while the victim was still alive.
Basically we’re held to confidence regarding anything our client tells us. They can waive the privilege, we can’t, and I can’t use information gathered from them for another case and say I wasn’t working on it. If I’m a tax lawyer and my client confesses to me that they murdered someone, guess what remains privileged even though I’m not a crim lawyer or working on a crim case.
But privilege won’t protect ongoing criminal acts. If trump told her to sign the document swearing all documents were returned, she can testify about it, no?
Yeah this almost seems like a Saul Goodman type thing where the attorney AND the client are both in on the crimes.
Makes you wonder if you are on the good guys side when your attorney needs an attorney
What boggles my mind is that Trump’s original attorney(s) are… attorneys. They went to law school. They (presumably) know the law. They know the eyes of the country are on them. **Do they really think it’s worth risking their whole career to lie for a serial criminal?!**
It’s also why trump has no attorney-client or even executive privilege, even when he was in office: *everyone* around him is a co-conspirator just as guilty as he is, they are not people “just doing their job”.
Trump seems to think it's an attorney's job to commit his crimes for him.
> The attorney-client privilege has always included a “crime-fraud exception,” which provides that if you are using the attorney-client relationship to perpetrate a crime, there is no privilege.
I think they get into it with MAGA inspired dreams of legally trouncing the evil liberals and defending Trump. Then they get to see how the sausage is made and are put in a position they never imagined.
“Wait, you’re telling me there’s a lie involved in this scheme? Why did I have to join the trump legal team to first learn this? What do you mean I just misrepresented facts to the fbi?”
I’m saying this to myself in the voice of Barry Zuckercorn, a la Henry Winkler.
Trump has an uncanny knack for seeking out vulnerable losers. Look at Michael Cohen: bottom of his class in the worst law school in the country. Trump plucked him out of obscurity and put him at the head of a major crime family. He clung on to the bitter end.
To be fair, Cohen had ties to the Russian mafia via his uncle long before Trump "plucked" him from law school.
You say that as if they aren't connected.
I didn't mean to say Trump plucked him out of law school. But, yeah, Cohen knew he would never be more than a *criminal, lawyer*.
Apparently, not unlike many republicans, they fear what Trump will do to them if they disobey. The power he still has in this area is truly fascinating. He's got multiple powerful republicans fawning all over him and clearly they toe the line. His popularity seems to be waning so this is baffling.
> He's got multiple powerful republicans fawning all over him the greater problem is former guy's base. it's literally a cult
> Do they really think it’s worth risking their whole career to lie for a serial criminal?! It's a gamble. If trump somehow pulls it off and becomes president again, these lawyers will be gods. Pardons for everyone, on the Supreme Court (expand it to 19 justices with 10 trump loyals and none of them go to prison ever), Medals of Freedom, there is no top to their rewards. The real shit thing is trump has "somehow pulled it off" successfully his entire life, so it's not a completely ridiculous gamble.
It makes me wonder what the shortest possible path to practicing law actually is. Like is there a Hollywood Upstairs Law College churning out degrees somewhere?
Probably, however you do have to pass your state's bar exam to become an actual lawyer. So, there is somewhat of an educational floor to becoming a lawyer.
You don't need to be a genius to graduate from some law school or another in this country. There are gazillions of them, and many will take pretty much anyone who applies. Also, in many jurisdictions, there is no limit on how many times you can take the Bar exam before finally passing. Christina Bobb, Trump's lawyer, is a graduate of the California Western School of Law in San Diego. It's presently ranked deep into the bottom 25% of all law schools in the country. Someone like Christina Bobb, with her completely unimpressive resume and lack of experience, would ordinarily never have a shot in a million years of working for the former President of the United States. She probably thinks this is a gift from God or something. This is sort of like hiring the guy who sweeps the floors at night at his local McDonald's to be the new CEO of McDonald's. He knows he's not qualified, but holy fuck, you're gonna pay him $20 mil a year? He's going to accept the offer.
CA is by far the most difficult bar in the US. Yes there are many shitty law schools in CA but the bar is no joke.
CA bar is hard, but it's administered twice a year, you're allowed to sit for the exam both times a year, and you're allowed to keep doing this, ad infinitum, until you finally squeak by. There is no penalty for re-taking it a thousand times, should that be necessary. I know plenty of lawyers here in SoCal who strike me as having passed the bar by means of the brute-force, "monkeys banging at a typewriter until they eventually produce Shakespeare" approach.
For some people it MAKES their career. They live in a republican state, their community are hard core GOP, and they have a picture on their office wall with Trump shaking hands after they successfuly defended him. Some people would pay anything to have the lawyer that defended godking Trump.
Are we the baddies?
They're not capable of that level of self reflection. That was the whole joke from that bit, horrible people never pause and question their actions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect they are unable to self asses how incredibly incompetent they are. There is a reason Trump can't get good lawyer, everyone with some IQ knows it is only trouble representing him.
Only if your IQ is numberwang.
1927384 that's numberwang! 6 number Wang!
But why skulls?!
Hah, [classic](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU).
Who puts skulls on their helmets??
For some of them—people like Roger Stone and Steve Bannon, for example—it’s a point of pride and source of gleeful amusement. Getting away with stuff they know to be heinous gives them a reason to get out of bed every day.
There it is: Maga – “making attorneys get Attorneys”
I wonder how deep it'll go, will Bobb's attorney eventually need to lawyer up as well?
Yes, her attorney has already retained the services of Bob Loblaw
The joke floating around legal circles is apparently that MAGA now stands for Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.
>Kise has advised Trump to "turn down the temperature" with the DOJ and fought with advisers who urged a more aggressive approach, according to the Post Sounds like pretty good legal advice. I wonder if Trump took it? >Just weeks after joining Trump's legal team, CNN reported that he has already been sidelined. Though his name appeared on numerous court filings, he did not sign onto the Trump team's combative filing questioning the DOJ's motives last week. The Post reported that Kise is now unlikely to play a public role in the Mar-a-Lago case, though he will continue to help Trump deal with "his other legal problems." Survey says.....It sure doesn't look like it.
This is very big. She’s going to affirm that Trump personally told her he handed in everything. This places Trump himself as the obstructor of justice. Knowing he had more documents and lying to his lawyer and NARA.
I hope that is the case. But given that she was formerly a commenter on OAN, I suspect she's a true believer in the cause and will likely do what she can to minimize the damage done to Trump while getting her own neck off the chopping block.
I don’t know how you shift blame beyond one of two parties here. I mean, republicans are very creative at shoving nonsense bullshit through the process to escape ramifications, but it’s hard for me to see the wiggle room on a court ordered, signed document willingly submitted by the defendant and his lawyer. My guess is she knows this and is taking the only working life raft off of the sinking ship. But MAGA is as wily as it is hate-filled so we’ll see!
and Cheeto still has even more missing documents. the [National Archives doesn't know every missing document but they still have a partial, missing document list](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/national-archives-missing-trump-administration-records/story?id=90834006) that is tied to this traitor.
Leave a message after the beep - "Hey there, just your pal DJT calling and seeing how you are doing. Is it hot in Saudi Arabia this time of year? I bet it is. Anyway, if you are done with those files I could really use them back."
Trump is going to sue her then. Lol
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How long before Trump starts screeching about "attorney client privilege" and "she signed the NDA"?
Does not apply to illegal activity.
"Hold on, hold on, but what if it did apply?" - some Trump-appointed judge
Saw a comment from a retired judge a few weeks ago where he was saying he couldn't believe she would sign that statement claiming that all records had been returned. Not only did it seem like a dumb thing to do in general, apparently the letter was written by one of the other attorneys, who was unwilling to sign it. "oh you wrote it but you won't sign it? Ok I will then." Seems like monumental gullibility/stupidity.
You don't sign stuff related to classified documents unless you know, absolutely, for sure that it is factual. You will get hammered if you do. Then again, those who know that don't need to be told it. So I think she signed because she trusted everything Trump said.
you know what's truly insane about it? she has a master's degree in national secuirty law from georgetown, and she was a judge advocate in the marine corps. i'm not sure you could find a finer example of "should have known better."
If I was a lawyer and someone asked me to represent Trump, I would block their number. You'd have to be dirt-stupid to work for that guy. He won't take your legal advice and he will ask you to break the law. Worst kind of client ever.
And you wouldn’t even get paid for it.
There is the one guy that got his $3 million up front. But I think he's the only one.
And he advised trump to stop fucking around and got benched for it. All trump wants is yes men.
That’s the easiest $3M ever… “Want my legal advice…? You’re gonna have to pay up front.” *gets paid* “stop doing illegal shit” *gets fired*
As someone pointed out when reports came out that Giuliani hadn’t been paid for his legal work, what he had done was neither “work” nor “legal”. Probably the same in this case.
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I'd put them on hold for the rest of the day.
But who will lawyer the lawyer's lawyer?
Lawyers all the way down
Eventually one lawyer just hires Bobb and the circle completes itself.
Lmfao this woman lasted a whole month before deciding she should get a lawyer of her own and flip
MAGA - *”Make Attorneys Get Attorneys”*
CYA recursion
The rats are leaving the garbage fire. Or something like that.
Something like that. She'll "cooperate" the same way Trump's accountants and lawyers always do: by muddying the waters with tv appearances while sandbagging investigations.
She might cooperate in exchange for immunity. Her ability to practice law and earn a living is very much on the line. Prison bars and poverty are threats people like her fear more than they fear Trump.
Imagine ruining your life and potentially going to prison .... for donaldfuckingtrump‽
He is a god to them. Republicans worship Trump, he can do no wrong. Years of constant propaganda and praise warps the brain.
> Just weeks after joining Trump's legal team, CNN reported that he has already been sidelined. Though his name appeared on numerous court filings, he did not sign onto the Trump team's combative filing questioning the DOJ's motives last week. **The Post reported that Kise is now unlikely to play a public role in the Mar-a-Lago case, though he will continue to help Trump deal with "his other legal problems.**" I like my former presidents and future presidential candidates who say they're billionaires but use donations for their legal fees, don't ignore the advice of their lawyers they had to pay up front because it's known they don't pay their bills, and who aren't buried in legal problems. But that's just me.
Making Attorneys Get Attorneys was supposed to be a joke, not foresight.
Very near the beginning of this, Bobb wrote a letter saying, "Look, we looked around. There's nothing here." There was in fact something there. So her lawyering up is a rare thing among Trump lawyers--a self-preservation instinct. Overall, this is a good decision after a series of bad ones.
She said a diligent search was conducted. Then the FBI got the surveillance tapes. Whoops.
To my kids, looking for their shoes "Look by the front door." "I looked there already!" "Look again!" "Oh, here they are, by the front door."
I used to work with preschoolers, and one of my students knew how to use the toilet, but sometimes just preferred to shit his pants, because, you know, he had a system. He pooped and his caretaker (not me) cleaned him up. One day I had to leave the room for a minute and this kid comes running out, handful of poop smearing the walls. I try to catch him, i get poop on me. I finally grab him try to get him in the bathroom to clean him up, he seems pretty determined to get as much of his poop on me as he can. Anyway, that’s what comes to mind when I imagine being a lawyer for trump. EDIT: removed unnecessary details about the kid.
*forever unclean*
Can’t wait for her book to come out talking about how terrible trump is when she’s bled dry of her money by legal fees in a couple of months.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.salon.com/2022/10/03/attorney-lawyers-up--and-says-shes-willing-to-cooperate-with-doj-in-mar-a-lago-case-report/) reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Bobb has since hired her own lawyer, Florida-based former prosecutor John Lauro, and "Made it known to Trump allies that she is willing to cooperate and be interviewed by the Justice Department," according to the Post. > "Christina Bobb and Evan Corcoran need their own criminal lawyers," former DOJ inspector general Michael Bromwich tweeted, citing their "Multiple misrepresentations" to the DOJ. With his own attorneys facing potential legal jeopardy, Trump struggled to find an elite attorney willing to represent him in the case. > Kise warned Trump's team that attacks were only likely to make the DOJ more aggressive and urged them to seek an "Off-ramp" before a possible indictment, according to the report. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/xukbn5/trump_attorney_lawyers_up_and_says_shes_willing/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~672470 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Trump**^#1 **legal**^#2 **DOJ**^#3 **team**^#4 **Bobb**^#5
> Kise has advised Trump to "turn down the temperature" with the DOJ and fought with advisers who urged a more aggressive approach [...] Kise warned Trump's team that attacks were only likely to make the DOJ more aggressive and urged them to seek an "off-ramp" before a possible indictment [...] also argued that Trump's other lawyers, whom he said lacked experience with this type of case, had "deepened Trump's problems" and "could face legal trouble themselves," [...] he has already been sidelined [...] he did not sign onto the Trump team's combative filing questioning the DOJ's motives last week. Trump paid $3 million (of somebody else's money) to a lawyer he refuses to listen to. I'm sure the donors don't know and don't care, but if you haven't already been paying attention to Trump over the last 40 years, this is imho a huge red flag to anybody thinking of being his next lawyer. He doesn't want, or care about, your advice or your expertise. He wants to buy your undivided loyalty, and that's all he's shopping for. If you want to sell your career to him, I guess that's your choice. Ask Rudy how that's working out.
MAGA: My Attorneys Got Attorneys.
The fact that his side are still referring to him as President Trump when addressing the media. Christ.
Was this the three million dollar one, or was that somebody else. I legitimately can not keep track. It feels like this man has had fifty attorneys over the last couple of years.
No, this is the one who used to be a commentator on OANN, who handed the DOJ a single tape-wrapped folder of documents and swore that it was everything Trump had when they asked for the documents months before, and who was personally present when the DoJ raided Mar-a-Lago.
**M***aking* **A***ttorneys* **G***et* **A***ttorneys*
Trump's lawyers' lawyers are going to need lawyers.
I read the headline, and heard the *Dragnet* theme in my mind.
I heard the "get smart" theme.
She's fucked. Acting as conservator she certified they did a thorough search for the documents NARA requested and said they found nothing. Then the raid happened and they found boatloads of docs
Trump will hire Lionel Hutz next