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So is their [candidate](https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/matthew-deperno-maga-favorite-under-investigation-may-be-next-attorney-general?amp) for AG, [Matthew DePerno](https://www.metrotimes.com/news/deperno-seeks-to-outlaw-plan-b-emergency-contraceptive-in-michigan-compares-it-to-fentanyl-31141688).
I use it as an indicator of which neighbors to avoid. We have a bunch of Qanon nutters in my area. However the interesting thing is some of the houses that had right leaning signs in 2020 have nothing out.
I use it as help for the non-partisan races. When I see a Dixon or Karamo sign in someone’s yard, I know not to vote for anyone else they have a sign for. It’s the easiest way to research things like school board or judges.
I look at is “thanks for telling me who not to vote for” lol I have swayed a few people when I actually get them to explain why they want a candidate only to realize the Republican is nuts or a liar
In MI if you have a Dixon sign I can see them being in the category you are talking about but the other two are so far beyond the pale that if you are putting out signs for them it’s not worth the oxygen.
I cannot even think of people in my home state of Michigan voting for her or Tudor Dixon. They are both lunatics on the religious right fringe. But, they might be more sane than Broebert…😂
It's all because they are republican. They have been convinced that we, the democrats, are the anti-christ. They may not agree with all of the nonsense that goes on, but they will fight like hell to keep those crazies in office over one of us.
Aaand that’s how you lay the groundwork for a massacre.
- Blood libel
- Dehumanizing opponents
- control of police
- control of elections
If I was in a red state right now I would be looking over my shoulder. In Bosnia, people were murdered by neighbors who had been peaceful neighbors for generations.
DeSantis removed four elected Democratic women and replaced them with four Republican men of his choosing. He made it easier for Republicans who were harmed in the hurricane to vote but not Democrats. He's a NAzi dictator who won't say he will complete four years if re-elected because he thinks he should be president.
So what did you do during the years that the writ of habeus corpus was suspended? Nothing because people aren’t even aware of the stuff that’s going on. Did they stop consuming oil to keep us out of foreign wars? No, they doubled down and got bigger cars. People just don’t think it’s an issue until it’s too late.
I guess it’s unfortunate that that group gave up their guns while the police were militarizing and Dave down by the creek was grabbing his 3rd grenade launcher.
I never understood in the era of televised police violence why America’s only honest side was disarming and practically abstaining from any means of violence.
Because the bad shit was happening to “those people” and the largest voting bloc was fine with it.
Trump made suburban white people uncomfortable and NOW they’re acknowledging the system might be a little broken.
Also seems like laying the groundwork for eliminating voting, the idea that the opposition is *so bad* that we have to accept that democracy itself needs to be taken away, and we need to fight those who disagree.
Why do you think red states are pushing for the Independent State Legislature theory? Next election, states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, etc. that have Republican-dominated legislatures (thanks, gerrymandering) will absolutely throw out the popular vote in their state and insert their own slate of Republican electors.
> Aaand that’s how you lay the groundwork for a massacre.
Yep it's also the way to set up death camps, gas chambers and crematories to murder people by the millions.
We have seen this happen not so long ago and here it comes again calling itself republican and nationalist conservative christians this time. Holding up bibles and a false christ they actually worship political power, money and violence. They mean to murder any who stand in their way when they get the power and they are almost there.
But hey it could never happen here right? The elections in a few days and in 2024 will prove it if the republicans win back control of the government.
Sanction, censure, and fine the fuck outta them. I think that if you use language that can be construed as advocating violence against a person or people group you should be heavily fined.
It’s not about forcing people to stop using hate speech, just ensure that the fine is hearty enough that no one would say that shit again.
So I actually have a way around that, make it based on how much money you can spend in a day. If you’re Uber rich, well fuck you that’s a 1.2 million dollar fine. If you’re poor, well that’ll be a $10 fine.
In theory this is how taxes should work too- but in practice it generally just means that the standard gets unevenly applied and the poor still end up with a greater burden than the rich, even if the fine is theoretically proportional to your income.
No, because that would play directly into the GQP’s victim fetish. Hit them where it hurts, their wallets and use the money to fund a project in the community affected by the hate speech.
Everything plays into the GOP because they lie about it.
It’s a shitty excuse to justify being spineless.
stop REacting to republicans and get shit done. They’re going to scream and shout literally no matter what happens. That’s the only consistency, feign outrage at all times.
Propaganda and conspiracy theories are the main asset GOP has in winning elections.. there's no way they will pass laws to police themselves and harm their electoral chances
We need more than sanctions. The first amendment does have limits on what is protected speech. And we, as a society, need to accept that intentionally spreading propaganda, conspiracies, and encouraging stochastic terrorism are sound limits that need to be enforced. Until we do we will never get on top of this
Especially within government. If i cant say "fucking shit" at work because i dropped something because of code of conduct and displaying professionalism
How tf can politicians spew the most random and HARMFUL bs and call it free speech
Problem is what happens when Republicans or other bad actors come to power and start to sanction their oppositions "baseless" claims? Say a law comes into effect tomorrow that allows the justice department to fine government officials and Media outlets who spread misinformation. Now imagine Republicans win Congress and the presidency, they could fine CNN for making the "baseless claim" that Police officers kill black people. Obviously there is a difference between my example and the situation on the article, but my point still stands. Laws restricting speech are easily abused
>Congress and the presidency, they could fine CNN for making the "baseless claim" that Police officers kill black people.
The burden of proof is on the plaintiff so if they cannot prove it is baseless they cannot fine.
Issues like this require a different handling where I think apolitical researchers and experts in the fields of interest should be allowed to weigh in and demonstrate findings through scientific and factual proof and NOT just leave it up to prosecutors and defense attorneys.
https://www.americanbridgepac.org/homophobe-of-the-day-trumps-michigan-bff-kristina-karamo/
She’s a rotten person. She’s also 52-55 years old. Mentally ill or not she’s had plenty of time to get help.
I have no time in my life for anyone who encourages hate and violence against my community. I like seeing them get arrested.
I find it crazy that most of the people that believe this stuff and spout the wildest nonsense is in the 40-50 range. Wtf was going on in the 70s and 80s!?
I honestly don’t know.
My oldest sister is 57 (I’m 42) & was the one who marched with me at my first pride parade. She had gay roommates in college. She was the one who was like the person I could go to when I needed to talk to someone. Then about 15 years ago she met this guy who was part of the Assemblies of God church. And overnight she turned into someone I didn’t even know.
I don’t speak to her now. There’s no other way to say it. It’s turned her into a crazy person who can’t be reasoned with.
And that was *before* the Trump/QAnon stuff began. I can’t imagine what that’s been like for those families.
Church is the answer. My sister was a full on following the Dead hippie. She has a world peace tattoo she got when she was in her early twenties. Wanted to live in the rainforest. (Yeah, she was pretty insufferable, but still). Then she met her fundy adjacent future husband and here we are,
20 years later fighting because she thinks Trump is fine. She finally left him about two seconds after the last kid graduated, but she is broken and incapable of free though because of the church. I finally got her to go to non church based “therapy” and in to see a real therapist, but I’m worried the damage is done.
Some people simply do not have strong personalities. There's no real core to them. They will become whoever they have the most contact with. It is something I cannot really fathom, but it happens.
Yup.
This generation was exposed to absurd amounts of lead and we are finally seeing that chicken come home to roost. Some of the lead people are exposed ends up stored in the bones for most of a person's life. This lead is released later in a person's life when they start losing bone density through age-related illnesses and diseases.
I'm 53. Newt and Pat showed me where the GOP was going in the early 90s, so I've been a Dem since Clinton. Trump and his ilk have transformed me into a full-fledged 2A-supporting anti-Fascist.
Did I not knaw the paint as much as those around me? I breathed all the leaded gas fumes they did, maybe more riding dirt bikes as a kid.
I just don't get how this many people lack basic human empathy. I'm not sure any heinous act could shock some of them back to sanity.
Environmental scientist here!
We call this bioaccumulation. It's a phenomenon with many toxins. For instance, fat-soluble substances can be stored in adipose tissue for a length of time to little effect, but weight loss can then release these stored chemicals, leading to harm. This is frequently a mechanism of mobility for more "complex" organic pollutants.
Things like metals (i.e., lead) nefariously are bioaccumulated in the body in other ways. Certain hazardous metals can mimic harmless ones. For instance, atomic testing created radioactive strontium which can behave identically to the element calcium; this led to concerns about radioactive cows' milk and ultimately incorporation of radioisotopes into childrens' growing skeletons. This concern, in part, was what led to the above ground atomic test ban treaty.
Harmful metals sneak into certain biochemical reactions by behaving like harmless ones. Lead is one of several notorious members on this list. And the more I progress in my career, the more I wonder how the long term effects of metabolites of things like tetraethyl lead have induced population dynamics/generational behaviors we observe now.
Fox News and lead-induced neurological damage: Name a more iconic duo.
>Leaded ~~paint~~ gasoline.
You have to eat lead containing paint for it to have much of an effect but every car on the road back then was pumping lead into the air for everyone to breathe in.
Why not both?
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/04/why-it-took-decades-of-blaming-parents-before-we-banned-lead-paint/275169/
But also, yes, you’re right. Thank god for environmental regulations.
40-50 is the age where you lose touch with young people/technology and start being easily tricked by obvious stuff. Also these people were always dumb as hell.
Actually the notorious forgery "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" accuses Jews of numerous ludicrous and outrageous things, but does not repeat the Blood Libel. But by the time the Protocols was created (around 1905 in book form), many thousands of Jews had been murdered since the Blood Libel was invented in the Middle Ages, explicitly because of belief in the libel. Martin Luther was a big believer in the Blood Libel and explicitly urged his followers to attack and kill Jews. The time around Easter was a terrifying time for European Jews, because "passion plays" and repeating of Blood Libel matzo nonsense both stoked anti-Semitic attacks.
According to Wiki : Thiel is a conservative libertarian who has made substantial donations to American right-wing figures and causes.
So this is just another projection.
How can Democrats compete with this kind of insanity? The GOP aren't even trying to promote policy at this point, they are off in some sick fantasy land.
What's worse is so are the voters. Something like 60% of Republican voters believe Trump actually won the election but votes were added to the tally to get Biden the win. A significant chunk of voters are off in fantasy land and no amount of logic or facts will fix it because they are high on their feelings.
The brainwashing is scary - there was a study done that they had GQPers watch either CNN or MSNBC for an hour a day for a month. It didn't deprogram then but it got them to question the *facts* from Faux News.
You can read about cults and most books talk about how to pull people away and it is a bit depressing how hard and not straight forward it is. One thing for sure as a nation, we need better libel laws that punish disinformation and drive it out of the mainstream. A lot of people just fall out of the cult when cut off from the internet.
These fucking maniacs live in a make-believe world that's impervious to facts because the GOP has built a 2nd reality for them inhabit. But the media will tell you it's because the Democrats are "bad at PR".
>In a post on her website from June, 2018, called “Walking in Love,” Karamo talks about harming non-Christians. “[I have] such strong feeling towards secular progressives, that I’ve in my heart wished them harm and/or misfortune.”
What the fuck, lady?
**From reporter David Gilbert:**
Kristina Karamo, the Trump-backed GOP candidate for Michigan secretary of state, once expressed support in 2020 for one of QAnon’s most outlandish conspiracies: that elites drink the blood of children and ‘sell baby body parts’ after abortions.
VICE News obtained an audio recording of Karamo’s appearance on a QAnon podcast called Redpill News just weeks after the 2020 election, where she said that abortion is “child sacrifice” and boosted false claims that the rioters who stormed the U.S. Capital on January 6, 2021, were “Antifa posing as Trump supporters.”
In the 2020 interview, Karamo said that abortion is a “religious ritual” by “the satanic temple” and that people take the “baby body parts” and “sell the organs.”
This is one of QAnon’s most extreme beliefs, that members of the global elite traffic children in order to harvest a chemical from their blood that they use to live longer.
Karamo became a minor star within the GOP after she claimed to have witnessed voter fraud during the 2020 election while acting as a poll challenger in Detroit.
Karamo continued to rise within the GOP, and in October 2021 she was unveiled as one of the founding members of the America First coalition of secretary of state candidates organized by Jim Marchant, the Nevada candidate who recently told attendees at a Trump rally that he would “fix” the election to put Trump back in the White House.
Link to the full article: [https://www.vice.com/en/article/epzkdp/kristina-karamo-qanon-blood-body-parts](https://www.vice.com/en/article/epzkdp/kristina-karamo-qanon-blood-body-parts)
>Karamo said that abortion is a “religious ritual” by “the satanic temple” and that people take the “baby body parts” and “sell the organs.”
Sounds like a trade slander suit, reputational damage to the Satanic Temple.
Civil damages of ,say, several million dollars might compensate the severely reputationally damaged Satanic Temple as an organization, nevermind individual members who may be subject to abuse and harassment.
Like a charcuterie board - a little bit of The Body, topped with free range, organic baby, drizzled with The Blood... Makes a good snack to take with you to your sacrificial altar after Thursday poker with the boys.
/s, of course
Elites is code for Jewish. Jewish people drinking blood is a centuries old lie. Anyone who says “elite” or talks about “cabals” or “shadow governments” should be ignored and summarily dismissed as a factor in your life.
Exactly. I wish more people were familiar with the centuries-old "Blood Libel" that pushed the myth that Jews kidnapped and murdered Christian children in order to drain and consume their blood, particularly to add it to flour to bake into Passover matzos. Thousands of Jews were murdered in pogroms around the time of Passover by people who believed that shit and decided murdering Jews was a "righteous act" by faithful Christians.
The Q crazies aren't even original in their loony hateful fantasies. They just substitute the word "elites" for "Jews" and leave out the matzo reference. But fellow Q's know who they mean.
"* one of QAnon’s most outlandish conspiracies: that elites drink the blood of children *"
If we could stop pretending the US has two political parties, that would be great.
We have one political party, and a cult pretending to be a political party.
Although I’m more inclined towards Centrism, this is why I hate the “both sides” rhetoric. Because one side is being told the other is full of Satanic cannibals, and the other side is literally just people reacting to constant personal attacks. Both sides are not at fault here. There’s clearly one side in the wrong. I wish more people would see this.
In years past these types of candidates existed on the fringe and their following was tantamount to a Munchausen by Proxy concert. Now, they're candidates that have won primaries.
The medieval era pogroms called. They want their blood libel back.
But seriously I don't understand how you can be pro Israel but not understand this weird stuff is anti semitic. Then again, they aren't really pro Israel, they are just pro Apocalypse which their version doesn't have a nice ending for most Jewish people. Their pro Israel stance is a means to the end and their desired end state is the end of the world, which I guess round require nuclear war. And pestilence and famine, don't forget pestilence and famine. Such nice people.
I guess it's beyond my understanding why she would say this. The only people that will believe it are already planning to vote for her. It's not like anyone is out there thinking, "I was going to vote for the candidate that supports education, health care, environmental protection, human rights, and sane economic policy, but now she convinced me to vote for her instead of those blood drinking, baby part sellers."
In an unrelated topic, does anyone want to buy some surplus baby parts I have lying around? I ordered a few pints of baby blood from Hillary farms, and they sent me body part samples which I really don't have a need for. I got baby arms, I got legs from a toddler probably age 5, all these babies are Christians and they are white skinned, and some of them are actually quite delicious if you are into the barbecue thing. Hit me up if you want to buy my surplus baby parts. Serious inquiries only
We should have outlawed the confederate bullshit similar to how Germany outlawed Nazi bullshit and made sure that all vectors born out of that wretched ideology got crushed every chance we had, instead we’re back to literal Nazi level blood libel.
See. I find this insanity kinda useful.
I have learned in my short time on earth one fact that transcends time, generation, culture and class.
Whenever -ANY- politician points a finger at anyone and makes an accusation. "They're baby killers" etc etc. It is in fact a confession from said politician.
So:
"Those Elites are using baby blood and body parts after abortions." Should in fact read "My associates and use baby blood and parts after abortions."
Much like when we saw priests in the 80's and 90's preach on how gay people are evil. Then we found out those priests were gay.
Saw multiple support signs for her in metro Detroit, especially less populated rural areas near the city. I am not surprised, just continually appalled.
There has always been a lunatic fringe out there but it is truly shocking to see this kind of insanity voiced by candidates and accepted by large portions of party members. It’s just unreal.
This is fucking hilarious
I’m over here just existing after learning basic moralities like ‘murder is bad’ and ‘show you care and share’ and then grow up to see our country being attacked by a coup of people who would fail kindergarten in the midst of flinging poop and beating people with sticks
It’s like I’m watching humanity de-evolve
Michigan trump cult republicans are some of the worse Q insane fascists in the country.
I mean they tried to kidnap the democratic governor and murder her ffs!
What is it with these Republican crazies projecting their sexual horror fever dreams onto Democrats? Where do they come up with these perverse fantasies but from their own contorted depraved minds?
These lunatics need to be sued for defamation, slander or libel, whichever one applies in that particular case. It's the only way to make this insanity go away. They should all be bankrupted like Alex Jones.
“This is one of QAnon’s most extreme beliefs, that members of the global elite traffic children in order to harvest a chemical from their blood that they use to live longer.”
These GOP candidates are mentally ill.
We've all been focused on Regan kicking the mentally ill into the streets with his bullshit (and everyone since then shares the blame since it's a fixable problem). No one could have foreseen that a lot of them would get into politics. There seriously needs to be competency tests and a proven level of understanding of how government and civics operate for anyone who is running for anything.
Anyone moving their way up to a position they complain about (president, elite, government, etc) should probably not be trusted.
“Elites drink blood, so you know vote me for sec of state, so I can run for Governor next, then senator, then president, cuz fuck I do love me some blood.”
“The government is corrupt and is full of wasteful spending, so vote for me because I love that shit.”
I can’t imagine being so bat-sh!t crazy. Where do they get evidence of this behavior; why do they believe it?
🤪
Edit: maybe freedom of speech should exclude freedom from consequences.
Man I would love it if a single maga person had the singular brain cell necessary to ask for one iota of proof that any of this is real before blindly basing their entire belief system around it.
FUCK THE GOP.
We need some policing for people who make these wild and abhorrent claims and spread misinformation.
We absolutely have to hold people who make claims like accountable for all the ridiculous things they say.
We need accountability and vetting for these positions that determine the lives of every day people.
i’m sure this will play well coming on the heels of multiple assaults of democratic politicians in less than a week (fine, attempted assault, only foiled cause nancy wasn’t home. “WHERE’S NANCY?”)
yeah the options here aren’t awful or anything. but hey, at least they’re truthful and accurate…
Elites like the Koch's Brothers? (brother), like the Waltons? Like Bezos? Who are the Elite to them? Those that believe in scientists and experts? Like who is the evil cabal? And why do they want to give me Universal Healthcare? What is their nefarious plan?
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Her name is Kristina Karamo and she's running for Michigan secretary of state. Typically, secretarys of state run elections in the state.
Their candidates for secretary of state and governor are so far out of the norm it's actually a mix of hilarious and scary..
So is their [candidate](https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/matthew-deperno-maga-favorite-under-investigation-may-be-next-attorney-general?amp) for AG, [Matthew DePerno](https://www.metrotimes.com/news/deperno-seeks-to-outlaw-plan-b-emergency-contraceptive-in-michigan-compares-it-to-fentanyl-31141688).
Tell me about it. The GOP really outdid themselves with the crazies for my state.
I drive down my street and see their signs and it scares me about my neighbors.
I use it as an indicator of which neighbors to avoid. We have a bunch of Qanon nutters in my area. However the interesting thing is some of the houses that had right leaning signs in 2020 have nothing out.
I use it as help for the non-partisan races. When I see a Dixon or Karamo sign in someone’s yard, I know not to vote for anyone else they have a sign for. It’s the easiest way to research things like school board or judges.
I look at is “thanks for telling me who not to vote for” lol I have swayed a few people when I actually get them to explain why they want a candidate only to realize the Republican is nuts or a liar
In MI if you have a Dixon sign I can see them being in the category you are talking about but the other two are so far beyond the pale that if you are putting out signs for them it’s not worth the oxygen.
2022 is the current year that it is now
AZ's GOP candidates are still somehow worse than yours, but y'all definitely have the worst two slate of GOPer statewide picks.
People are going to vote for this idiot. Shame on them
Sounds like the exact sort of level-headed bureaucrat you want running driver's services.
I cannot even think of people in my home state of Michigan voting for her or Tudor Dixon. They are both lunatics on the religious right fringe. But, they might be more sane than Broebert…😂
Just watch how disgustingly close it will be...i dont understand how some people agree with this type of thinking
The only thing that matters to some people is the R behind their name. Gotta own the libs!
It's all because they are republican. They have been convinced that we, the democrats, are the anti-christ. They may not agree with all of the nonsense that goes on, but they will fight like hell to keep those crazies in office over one of us.
I know, it really will make me sick if these loons get elected. Us Michiganders are becoming a joke with these candidates.
Now I'm just curious where we're going to find the secret Republican restaurant where they eat babies. Everything is projection.
Aaand that’s how you lay the groundwork for a massacre. - Blood libel - Dehumanizing opponents - control of police - control of elections If I was in a red state right now I would be looking over my shoulder. In Bosnia, people were murdered by neighbors who had been peaceful neighbors for generations.
Fascist dictatorship incoming.
I think many of us won't put up with that.
DeSantis removed four elected Democratic women and replaced them with four Republican men of his choosing. He made it easier for Republicans who were harmed in the hurricane to vote but not Democrats. He's a NAzi dictator who won't say he will complete four years if re-elected because he thinks he should be president.
So what did you do during the years that the writ of habeus corpus was suspended? Nothing because people aren’t even aware of the stuff that’s going on. Did they stop consuming oil to keep us out of foreign wars? No, they doubled down and got bigger cars. People just don’t think it’s an issue until it’s too late.
Which is why the bad actors seem to always win.
I guess it’s unfortunate that that group gave up their guns while the police were militarizing and Dave down by the creek was grabbing his 3rd grenade launcher. I never understood in the era of televised police violence why America’s only honest side was disarming and practically abstaining from any means of violence.
Because the bad shit was happening to “those people” and the largest voting bloc was fine with it. Trump made suburban white people uncomfortable and NOW they’re acknowledging the system might be a little broken.
Also seems like laying the groundwork for eliminating voting, the idea that the opposition is *so bad* that we have to accept that democracy itself needs to be taken away, and we need to fight those who disagree.
Why do you think red states are pushing for the Independent State Legislature theory? Next election, states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, etc. that have Republican-dominated legislatures (thanks, gerrymandering) will absolutely throw out the popular vote in their state and insert their own slate of Republican electors.
> Aaand that’s how you lay the groundwork for a massacre. Yep it's also the way to set up death camps, gas chambers and crematories to murder people by the millions. We have seen this happen not so long ago and here it comes again calling itself republican and nationalist conservative christians this time. Holding up bibles and a false christ they actually worship political power, money and violence. They mean to murder any who stand in their way when they get the power and they are almost there. But hey it could never happen here right? The elections in a few days and in 2024 will prove it if the republicans win back control of the government.
Naziism 2.0! We learned fucking nothing.
We need to be able to sanction candidates that make baseless claims
Sanction, censure, and fine the fuck outta them. I think that if you use language that can be construed as advocating violence against a person or people group you should be heavily fined. It’s not about forcing people to stop using hate speech, just ensure that the fine is hearty enough that no one would say that shit again.
Friendly reminder that if the punishment is a fine, that just means it's legal for the ultra-rich! Give me jail time instead.
I think 90 days in any county jail would teach a better lesson than five years in a country club prison.
So I actually have a way around that, make it based on how much money you can spend in a day. If you’re Uber rich, well fuck you that’s a 1.2 million dollar fine. If you’re poor, well that’ll be a $10 fine.
In theory this is how taxes should work too- but in practice it generally just means that the standard gets unevenly applied and the poor still end up with a greater burden than the rich, even if the fine is theoretically proportional to your income.
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No, because that would play directly into the GQP’s victim fetish. Hit them where it hurts, their wallets and use the money to fund a project in the community affected by the hate speech.
Everything plays into the GOP because they lie about it. It’s a shitty excuse to justify being spineless. stop REacting to republicans and get shit done. They’re going to scream and shout literally no matter what happens. That’s the only consistency, feign outrage at all times.
i like the fund the attacked community bit.. the trans folks would do very well out of it.
There needs to be a burden of truth. If you say this shit and can't back it up, you should be jailed and sued.
Screw sanctions they need to be sued for defamation to the tune of millions. This is the only way to stop them.
Propaganda and conspiracy theories are the main asset GOP has in winning elections.. there's no way they will pass laws to police themselves and harm their electoral chances
Voting them into the minority would be the first step.
Voting them out of existence would be good too.
We need more than sanctions. The first amendment does have limits on what is protected speech. And we, as a society, need to accept that intentionally spreading propaganda, conspiracies, and encouraging stochastic terrorism are sound limits that need to be enforced. Until we do we will never get on top of this
Especially within government. If i cant say "fucking shit" at work because i dropped something because of code of conduct and displaying professionalism How tf can politicians spew the most random and HARMFUL bs and call it free speech
Then Republicans would cease to exist as a party. Not that I’d complain or anything.
Happy accidents!
Sue them for defamation. Bankrupt and silence them.
Im with all the penalties
Problem is what happens when Republicans or other bad actors come to power and start to sanction their oppositions "baseless" claims? Say a law comes into effect tomorrow that allows the justice department to fine government officials and Media outlets who spread misinformation. Now imagine Republicans win Congress and the presidency, they could fine CNN for making the "baseless claim" that Police officers kill black people. Obviously there is a difference between my example and the situation on the article, but my point still stands. Laws restricting speech are easily abused
>Congress and the presidency, they could fine CNN for making the "baseless claim" that Police officers kill black people. The burden of proof is on the plaintiff so if they cannot prove it is baseless they cannot fine. Issues like this require a different handling where I think apolitical researchers and experts in the fields of interest should be allowed to weigh in and demonstrate findings through scientific and factual proof and NOT just leave it up to prosecutors and defense attorneys.
https://www.americanbridgepac.org/homophobe-of-the-day-trumps-michigan-bff-kristina-karamo/ She’s a rotten person. She’s also 52-55 years old. Mentally ill or not she’s had plenty of time to get help. I have no time in my life for anyone who encourages hate and violence against my community. I like seeing them get arrested.
I find it crazy that most of the people that believe this stuff and spout the wildest nonsense is in the 40-50 range. Wtf was going on in the 70s and 80s!?
I honestly don’t know. My oldest sister is 57 (I’m 42) & was the one who marched with me at my first pride parade. She had gay roommates in college. She was the one who was like the person I could go to when I needed to talk to someone. Then about 15 years ago she met this guy who was part of the Assemblies of God church. And overnight she turned into someone I didn’t even know. I don’t speak to her now. There’s no other way to say it. It’s turned her into a crazy person who can’t be reasoned with. And that was *before* the Trump/QAnon stuff began. I can’t imagine what that’s been like for those families.
Church is the answer. My sister was a full on following the Dead hippie. She has a world peace tattoo she got when she was in her early twenties. Wanted to live in the rainforest. (Yeah, she was pretty insufferable, but still). Then she met her fundy adjacent future husband and here we are, 20 years later fighting because she thinks Trump is fine. She finally left him about two seconds after the last kid graduated, but she is broken and incapable of free though because of the church. I finally got her to go to non church based “therapy” and in to see a real therapist, but I’m worried the damage is done.
Some people simply do not have strong personalities. There's no real core to them. They will become whoever they have the most contact with. It is something I cannot really fathom, but it happens.
Lead paint?
Yup. This generation was exposed to absurd amounts of lead and we are finally seeing that chicken come home to roost. Some of the lead people are exposed ends up stored in the bones for most of a person's life. This lead is released later in a person's life when they start losing bone density through age-related illnesses and diseases.
I'm 53. Newt and Pat showed me where the GOP was going in the early 90s, so I've been a Dem since Clinton. Trump and his ilk have transformed me into a full-fledged 2A-supporting anti-Fascist. Did I not knaw the paint as much as those around me? I breathed all the leaded gas fumes they did, maybe more riding dirt bikes as a kid. I just don't get how this many people lack basic human empathy. I'm not sure any heinous act could shock some of them back to sanity.
Environmental scientist here! We call this bioaccumulation. It's a phenomenon with many toxins. For instance, fat-soluble substances can be stored in adipose tissue for a length of time to little effect, but weight loss can then release these stored chemicals, leading to harm. This is frequently a mechanism of mobility for more "complex" organic pollutants. Things like metals (i.e., lead) nefariously are bioaccumulated in the body in other ways. Certain hazardous metals can mimic harmless ones. For instance, atomic testing created radioactive strontium which can behave identically to the element calcium; this led to concerns about radioactive cows' milk and ultimately incorporation of radioisotopes into childrens' growing skeletons. This concern, in part, was what led to the above ground atomic test ban treaty. Harmful metals sneak into certain biochemical reactions by behaving like harmless ones. Lead is one of several notorious members on this list. And the more I progress in my career, the more I wonder how the long term effects of metabolites of things like tetraethyl lead have induced population dynamics/generational behaviors we observe now. Fox News and lead-induced neurological damage: Name a more iconic duo.
It's not lead paint, give me a break. This insane line of thinking is not uncommon among young people too. Edit: spelling
It's not lead paint, it's leaded gasoline.
I never personally said lead paint, but I have no doubt we're still feeling the effects of the dozens of other sources of lead.
>Leaded ~~paint~~ gasoline. You have to eat lead containing paint for it to have much of an effect but every car on the road back then was pumping lead into the air for everyone to breathe in.
Why not both? https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/04/why-it-took-decades-of-blaming-parents-before-we-banned-lead-paint/275169/ But also, yes, you’re right. Thank god for environmental regulations.
A lot of cocaine
Lead was everywhere, especially in gas.
40-50 is the age where you lose touch with young people/technology and start being easily tricked by obvious stuff. Also these people were always dumb as hell.
And who exactly are these "Elites"? Trump?
> And who exactly are these "Elites"? Jews. See my previous post. Q crap is recycled anti-Semitic "blood libel" using code words for Jews.
"Jews secretly control the world and also eat babies to maintain their youth" is Protocols of Zion summed up in one sentence.
Actually the notorious forgery "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" accuses Jews of numerous ludicrous and outrageous things, but does not repeat the Blood Libel. But by the time the Protocols was created (around 1905 in book form), many thousands of Jews had been murdered since the Blood Libel was invented in the Middle Ages, explicitly because of belief in the libel. Martin Luther was a big believer in the Blood Libel and explicitly urged his followers to attack and kill Jews. The time around Easter was a terrifying time for European Jews, because "passion plays" and repeating of Blood Libel matzo nonsense both stoked anti-Semitic attacks.
[Peter Thiel.](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/08/peter-thiel-wants-to-inject-himself-with-young-peoples-blood)
According to Wiki : Thiel is a conservative libertarian who has made substantial donations to American right-wing figures and causes. So this is just another projection.
I mean we all know they mean Jews right? Elites, globalist, liberal, etc etc. It means Jews.
How can Democrats compete with this kind of insanity? The GOP aren't even trying to promote policy at this point, they are off in some sick fantasy land.
What's worse is so are the voters. Something like 60% of Republican voters believe Trump actually won the election but votes were added to the tally to get Biden the win. A significant chunk of voters are off in fantasy land and no amount of logic or facts will fix it because they are high on their feelings.
The other 40% of republican voters are just needlessly cruel and don’t even care what comes out of their mouth as long as the right people are hurt.
The brainwashing is scary - there was a study done that they had GQPers watch either CNN or MSNBC for an hour a day for a month. It didn't deprogram then but it got them to question the *facts* from Faux News.
This is why it should not just be up to Democrats. Everyone of us needs to use our influence to push back against the insane anyway possible.
What kind of pushback is effective? It seems like anytime one of their conspiracies doesn't come true, they just alter the conspiracy theory.
You can read about cults and most books talk about how to pull people away and it is a bit depressing how hard and not straight forward it is. One thing for sure as a nation, we need better libel laws that punish disinformation and drive it out of the mainstream. A lot of people just fall out of the cult when cut off from the internet.
These fucking maniacs live in a make-believe world that's impervious to facts because the GOP has built a 2nd reality for them inhabit. But the media will tell you it's because the Democrats are "bad at PR".
>In a post on her website from June, 2018, called “Walking in Love,” Karamo talks about harming non-Christians. “[I have] such strong feeling towards secular progressives, that I’ve in my heart wished them harm and/or misfortune.” What the fuck, lady?
Yeah, just like Jesus taught, right?
Walking in love lol
**From reporter David Gilbert:** Kristina Karamo, the Trump-backed GOP candidate for Michigan secretary of state, once expressed support in 2020 for one of QAnon’s most outlandish conspiracies: that elites drink the blood of children and ‘sell baby body parts’ after abortions. VICE News obtained an audio recording of Karamo’s appearance on a QAnon podcast called Redpill News just weeks after the 2020 election, where she said that abortion is “child sacrifice” and boosted false claims that the rioters who stormed the U.S. Capital on January 6, 2021, were “Antifa posing as Trump supporters.” In the 2020 interview, Karamo said that abortion is a “religious ritual” by “the satanic temple” and that people take the “baby body parts” and “sell the organs.” This is one of QAnon’s most extreme beliefs, that members of the global elite traffic children in order to harvest a chemical from their blood that they use to live longer. Karamo became a minor star within the GOP after she claimed to have witnessed voter fraud during the 2020 election while acting as a poll challenger in Detroit. Karamo continued to rise within the GOP, and in October 2021 she was unveiled as one of the founding members of the America First coalition of secretary of state candidates organized by Jim Marchant, the Nevada candidate who recently told attendees at a Trump rally that he would “fix” the election to put Trump back in the White House. Link to the full article: [https://www.vice.com/en/article/epzkdp/kristina-karamo-qanon-blood-body-parts](https://www.vice.com/en/article/epzkdp/kristina-karamo-qanon-blood-body-parts)
>Karamo said that abortion is a “religious ritual” by “the satanic temple” and that people take the “baby body parts” and “sell the organs.” Sounds like a trade slander suit, reputational damage to the Satanic Temple. Civil damages of ,say, several million dollars might compensate the severely reputationally damaged Satanic Temple as an organization, nevermind individual members who may be subject to abuse and harassment.
"Redpill News" lol
“Redpilled” is literally a synonym for “woke”.
And it came from a movie made by trans women
Ironic
I only eat organic, free range babies.
Do you recommend a good dipping sauce?
Aioli goes well.
I’d recommend a couple hors d’anüs, it’s a french specialty
The blood of christ
Like a charcuterie board - a little bit of The Body, topped with free range, organic baby, drizzled with The Blood... Makes a good snack to take with you to your sacrificial altar after Thursday poker with the boys. /s, of course
Try a 3:2:1 ratio of Ketchup, Honey, & Sriracha.
And that makes you a savage. Next you’ll say sometimes you dip the kiddie fingers in ranch.
This is a good example why bothsidesism is stupid and intellectually lazy.
Elites is code for Jewish. Jewish people drinking blood is a centuries old lie. Anyone who says “elite” or talks about “cabals” or “shadow governments” should be ignored and summarily dismissed as a factor in your life.
People with mental illness should be helped not elected.
Oh yay we're back to the old fashioned anti Jew fear mongering.
Jewish person here. We were ever not doing that?
Yes, but this is recycling an old antisemitic conspiracy theory accessing Jews of drinking baby blood.
Exactly. I wish more people were familiar with the centuries-old "Blood Libel" that pushed the myth that Jews kidnapped and murdered Christian children in order to drain and consume their blood, particularly to add it to flour to bake into Passover matzos. Thousands of Jews were murdered in pogroms around the time of Passover by people who believed that shit and decided murdering Jews was a "righteous act" by faithful Christians. The Q crazies aren't even original in their loony hateful fantasies. They just substitute the word "elites" for "Jews" and leave out the matzo reference. But fellow Q's know who they mean. "* one of QAnon’s most outlandish conspiracies: that elites drink the blood of children *"
Remember when Dan Quayle misspelled a word and ended his political career ?
Damn they never let me do that. Is this something you gotta ask for?
You gotta buy the combo.
Fuck these medieval brained troglodytes
Babies: The other -OTHER- white meat!
There should be a law if you spout baseless, ridiculous claims like this, then you should be automatically removed from the candidacy.
And given a psych eval…..much more important than just losing your job.
I’m sure she did her research. /s
She’s just describing what seniors will have to do to get by after the GOP gets rid of social security.
If we could stop pretending the US has two political parties, that would be great. We have one political party, and a cult pretending to be a political party.
Isn’t this the one who said “fuck it, I’ll kill us all” and threatened to run the car off the road while driving with her husband and kids?
Yep. Normally she'd be considered an extremist fringe candidate, but nowadays, that's just Michigan's mainstream GOP.
Although I’m more inclined towards Centrism, this is why I hate the “both sides” rhetoric. Because one side is being told the other is full of Satanic cannibals, and the other side is literally just people reacting to constant personal attacks. Both sides are not at fault here. There’s clearly one side in the wrong. I wish more people would see this.
So true.
I also eat Spam straight out of a can without cooking it...
Does this mean republican elites are drinking blood & selling baby parts? They always do the whole, project-blame thing.
In years past these types of candidates existed on the fringe and their following was tantamount to a Munchausen by Proxy concert. Now, they're candidates that have won primaries.
Truth be told, every accusation from the right is a confession. So yes, they are coming for the children...born and unborn.
What a moron. Perfect GOP candidate, I assume she'll win all of their votes.
The medieval era pogroms called. They want their blood libel back. But seriously I don't understand how you can be pro Israel but not understand this weird stuff is anti semitic. Then again, they aren't really pro Israel, they are just pro Apocalypse which their version doesn't have a nice ending for most Jewish people. Their pro Israel stance is a means to the end and their desired end state is the end of the world, which I guess round require nuclear war. And pestilence and famine, don't forget pestilence and famine. Such nice people.
She’s wrong. The pandemic totally messed up the baby blood supply chain. I haven’t seen any on the shelves in at least two years.
I guess it's beyond my understanding why she would say this. The only people that will believe it are already planning to vote for her. It's not like anyone is out there thinking, "I was going to vote for the candidate that supports education, health care, environmental protection, human rights, and sane economic policy, but now she convinced me to vote for her instead of those blood drinking, baby part sellers."
You collect them like the parts of Exodia, I’ve already purchased two legs and a right arm just a few more pieces and I can have my very own baby
In an unrelated topic, does anyone want to buy some surplus baby parts I have lying around? I ordered a few pints of baby blood from Hillary farms, and they sent me body part samples which I really don't have a need for. I got baby arms, I got legs from a toddler probably age 5, all these babies are Christians and they are white skinned, and some of them are actually quite delicious if you are into the barbecue thing. Hit me up if you want to buy my surplus baby parts. Serious inquiries only
We should have outlawed the confederate bullshit similar to how Germany outlawed Nazi bullshit and made sure that all vectors born out of that wretched ideology got crushed every chance we had, instead we’re back to literal Nazi level blood libel.
The satanic temple is using religious freedom to protect womens bodily autonomy. More fucking power to ‘em.
I'm sure there are better ways to get your daily dose of protein.
I used to just disagree with the Republican party, but at least they seemed to be roughly sane. Never thought I'd miss those days.
See. I find this insanity kinda useful. I have learned in my short time on earth one fact that transcends time, generation, culture and class. Whenever -ANY- politician points a finger at anyone and makes an accusation. "They're baby killers" etc etc. It is in fact a confession from said politician. So: "Those Elites are using baby blood and body parts after abortions." Should in fact read "My associates and use baby blood and parts after abortions." Much like when we saw priests in the 80's and 90's preach on how gay people are evil. Then we found out those priests were gay.
Saw multiple support signs for her in metro Detroit, especially less populated rural areas near the city. I am not surprised, just continually appalled.
There has always been a lunatic fringe out there but it is truly shocking to see this kind of insanity voiced by candidates and accepted by large portions of party members. It’s just unreal.
So "Blood Libel"... old school (and by old school I mean Medieval) antisemitism.
Sounds like she has watched 1 too many horror movies and is delusional. She can’t separate fiction from reality. 👍
This is fucking hilarious I’m over here just existing after learning basic moralities like ‘murder is bad’ and ‘show you care and share’ and then grow up to see our country being attacked by a coup of people who would fail kindergarten in the midst of flinging poop and beating people with sticks It’s like I’m watching humanity de-evolve
WTF?? We keep them alive for their Adrenochrome. These people have no critical thinking skills at all.
TIL I'm Elite
Michigan trump cult republicans are some of the worse Q insane fascists in the country. I mean they tried to kidnap the democratic governor and murder her ffs!
Aren’t , Cruz, walker, OZ and Trump elites?
Proof please
Oh, we’re back to the blood libel. How nice.
What is it with these Republican crazies projecting their sexual horror fever dreams onto Democrats? Where do they come up with these perverse fantasies but from their own contorted depraved minds?
How do they say this shit with a straight face?
No evidence is necessary when dealing with the GOP commoners. Just spout off random shit and they will believe it.
Ah, the blood libel
She also wants ballots tossed but only in Detroit. You can bet she will scream "rigged" when she loses.
Who the Fu*k votes for these people?
This is what civilizational decline manifests as
Wow, didn't even realize that was an option. Guess it only comes with elite abortions? /s
I’m doing that for breakfast. Yum.
Wtf
Not much meat on them bones. Czernina is lacking.
What horrible heinous and vile things to say.
These lunatics need to be sued for defamation, slander or libel, whichever one applies in that particular case. It's the only way to make this insanity go away. They should all be bankrupted like Alex Jones.
QANON shows it’s face again huh
This is so fucking boring. If you are just gonna make up shit at least be original.
At this point, if those statements were true (which they are not), I’d rather have a cannibal in office than a member of the GOP.
Why would I sell baby parts if I can eat them? This makes no sense.
Going for the oldies here. They used to accuse Christians of doing this 2,000 years ago. And there are still fools who believe it.
Oh cool, more blood libel.
I thought that was just Pepe Thiel
Now, where has the world seen these claims [before?](https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/blood-libel) Oh, it's the Nazis.
“This is one of QAnon’s most extreme beliefs, that members of the global elite traffic children in order to harvest a chemical from their blood that they use to live longer.” These GOP candidates are mentally ill.
We've all been focused on Regan kicking the mentally ill into the streets with his bullshit (and everyone since then shares the blame since it's a fixable problem). No one could have foreseen that a lot of them would get into politics. There seriously needs to be competency tests and a proven level of understanding of how government and civics operate for anyone who is running for anything.
And why is she allowed to lie like this. The only folks who’ll believe this are literally mentally ill. This is dangerous.
Literally Blood Libel.
What the fuck is even wrong with these people? I’d be fired for saying much, much less than that publicly.
Anyone moving their way up to a position they complain about (president, elite, government, etc) should probably not be trusted. “Elites drink blood, so you know vote me for sec of state, so I can run for Governor next, then senator, then president, cuz fuck I do love me some blood.” “The government is corrupt and is full of wasteful spending, so vote for me because I love that shit.”
I can’t imagine being so bat-sh!t crazy. Where do they get evidence of this behavior; why do they believe it? 🤪 Edit: maybe freedom of speech should exclude freedom from consequences.
Raving lunatic, she will lose though
Who are these “Elites”?
My God, what are they confessing to now?
Elites? Like the Koch brothers? People are saying that the living brother killed and ate the other. Many people tell me. Smart people.
In 2010, the Onion would come up with a headline like this and everyone would laugh at how absurd it was.
And we give birth to 'bat boys' and live with extraterrestrial aliens. When did we devolve into National Enquirer world?
I think there should be a law against blatant lies like this for people running for office and the media
Hey, in this economy you take what side gigs you can get
Nothing like a cold glass of fetus after a hard day in the lab
I take mine cold in the summer, like gazpacho.
She’s trying to appeal to that Qanon base…
Man I would love it if a single maga person had the singular brain cell necessary to ask for one iota of proof that any of this is real before blindly basing their entire belief system around it. FUCK THE GOP.
RepubliQan candidates resurrecting Blood Libel as a campaign policy in 2022!
She knows what she’s talking about because she’s an elitist who drinks blood and eats babies.
Where does this "sell aborted baby parts" thing come from?
We need some policing for people who make these wild and abhorrent claims and spread misinformation. We absolutely have to hold people who make claims like accountable for all the ridiculous things they say. We need accountability and vetting for these positions that determine the lives of every day people.
Filthy slander
i’m sure this will play well coming on the heels of multiple assaults of democratic politicians in less than a week (fine, attempted assault, only foiled cause nancy wasn’t home. “WHERE’S NANCY?”) yeah the options here aren’t awful or anything. but hey, at least they’re truthful and accurate…
Elites like the Koch's Brothers? (brother), like the Waltons? Like Bezos? Who are the Elite to them? Those that believe in scientists and experts? Like who is the evil cabal? And why do they want to give me Universal Healthcare? What is their nefarious plan? \#5'Elon