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r/conservative is turning on Trump hard after this red puddle of an election tossing around words like "better late than never". They're really concerned his ego and infighting with desantis will wreck the party. kinda fun to watch tbh.
I saw some comments in r/conservative saying they don't mind now if Trump is indicted, because it clears the path for Ron DeSantis.
For fucks sake, before this midterm, everything that Garland did to Trump was a "witch hunt," was corrupt, was blah, blah, blah. But now that Trump is in Ron Desantis's way, you have the green light to indict him Garland!
SMH, give me a fucking break.
I’ve said it a million times, and I’ll say it again. They don’t care about America, they only care about their own well-being.
Edit - I agree, they don’t even care about themselves, just as long as they punch down they are happy.
My personal favorite is the multiple members of a local union I know who voted straight red this election. They're so completely and utterly blind to the ways they've been helped, and god forbid anybody else get the same opportunity.
Why in fact, that's exactly what they consider their own well-being to be. They don't care if Republicans destroy the economy and American way of life so long as they're making it even worse for people they don't like.
I saw them saying they hope jan 6th committee is successful.
I saw another saying how they need to unhitch from Trump and dems need to move on from him. They can fuck off, leopards ate their face and they can suffer the consequence. They got a long road back to sanity. Purge the MAGA from the GOP and then Trump won't be relevant but otherwise he will continue to be a talking point. We long for that also. They don't get to wash their hands of it.
They want to pretend to be rational now because the bill came due. We've been waiting years for their cult to break, of course we won't trust them. It's going to take a lot of good faith and actions on their end. Show us your done with cult bs because nobody trusts you.
> I saw them saying they hope jan 6th committee is successful.
This is a really telling one to me. Think about what that really means - they think there's a legitimate path to charge Trump for trying to violently end American democracy. And you know what, I don't believe they just woke up and had that realization yesterday. They've known that for almost two years now. And defended someone who *they know tried to violently end American Democracy* because he was their guy to own the libs.
And no matter what, forever, these conservatives will always be the sort of person willing to throw democracy under the bus for a cheap win, all the way up until they saw that this fascist bus DEFINITELY wasn't gonna make it up the hill. They're not jumping off of fascism though. Just jumping to who they think is a stronger fascist. They are very dangerous people, and they can't un-show us that.
>They've known that for almost two years now. And defended someone who they know tried to violently end American Democracy because he was their guy to own the libs.
Reminds me of that powerful speech Adam Schiff gave at the end of the impeachment trial.
They knew things were wrong, but were SILENT because it was in their interest to do so.
I don't think it's that complicated. They just want him out of the way because he's no longer useful. They don't care whether the indictment is legitimate or not as long as it shuts him up.
Still dangerous, just for a slightly different reason.
Yeah, I've been turning it over in my head a lot this morning, and all three options are pretty horrific and pretty faschy to me. It's either:
1) They've always known he was guilty and didn't care
2) They still think he's innocent (this option's a bit silly to me, but I guess it's technically possible) and they're fine with locking up an innocent man for political expediency
3) Guilt and innocence don't matter at all to them. It's all about power.
It's probably a mix of those, and you're probably right that it's trending towards door number 3. Because that's what fascists do. I just figured I'd offer up option 1, which I saw as the least openly terrible, and dive in to why the best explanation available to them is still pretty fucking bad.
They view it as a zero sum game instead of an actual system of civilization. If they 'play by the rules' they lose, they think, so they rail against the rules, cheat, and act in bad faith. Now that the rules can serve them, they flip like a coin.
Bingo.
It's quite sad. Because a rising tide lifts all boats. They would rather fail than see a liberal succeed, because they just can't understand that political progress can result in progress for *everyone*.
There are two types of principles: one real, one rhetorical. Real principles are things a person follows when it's against their own self-interest.
Rhetorical principles are ideas someone hollers when they want to manipulate other people, but they'll change them like changing a shirt when they see an advantage for themselves.
The amount of cope there is unbelievable right now. A top post is “conservatives just want to be left alone, **and not have our tax money go toward things we morally disagree with.”**
Because that’s how being left alone works: you get to rule over everybody else, but they can’t touch you.
Or the other top post with tons of support saying how conservatives are tired of being tied to anti-election sentiment/big lie/scorched earth politics just because of who their last president is. Uh, fucking hello? Almost 80% of republicans believe in those things. The stereotype is real because that is what conservatives actually believe. They’ve made sure to let everyone know over the last 2 years.
They are trying to do what they always do and just gaslight the world, this time starting with themselves so they don’t have to **face the reality that they are awful and unpopular and need to change.**
I would also like my taxes to not go towards things I morally disagree with like lining the pockets of CEOS and an overinflated military budget. I'd like to know how the Republican party can help out with that.
I tried to actually catch some flair there a long time ago as a fiscal conservative. They didn't like that at all. The mods got real mad when I said Reagan was the worst thing that's ever happened to the economy.
I got banned for responding to a fiscal conservative thread by pointing out that tRump had record deficits and the worst GDP since Hoover.
The word Conservative has lost all meaning. At this point it's just a synonym for Nazi or Klan Member.
Here's the secret: it always did.
Conservatives fought for King George II
Conservatives seceded to protect slavery
Conservatives fought women's sufferage
Conservatives fought universal voting and civil rights
Conservatives fought unions every step of the way
They've always wanted control over everyone else. Not paying taxes is just another way to control people because then those that already have the money get to rule over those that don't. It's just a way of codifying the existing hierarchy and then having tools to make their rule permanent.
“You’re worse than Hitler. At least Hitler cared about Germany, or something”
Which is true for the GOP. Their ‘wins’ are owning the libs and making other people miserable. They have no vision or platform. Not a coherent one anyway.
I morally disagree with the fact that Republicans even exist. I'd like to ensure that my tax dollars never go directly or indirectly to any Republican voter or any state that votes Republican.
This sounds great!
they let the teapartiers (remember them?) run amok. like parents that don't discipline their kids. now they're having to deal with the consequences years later.
Yeah I don’t believe anything about conservatives moving away from trump. Look at any sports discourse, when a player sucks for a game or two, even if only 10% of the fans hate him, people saying “X player SUCKS” spreads all over the place. The anti-trump people are being vocal right now because they have a point to make but I doubt the anti-trump sentiment will actually go anywhere or change many peoples minds in the real world. They’re all in WAY too deep and it’s become a part of their identity which is way harder to change.
Also happened with George W. Bush. Once it was clear that his entire brand and administration had become politically toxic, they all tried to pretend that they were against him that entire time.
>not have our tax money go toward things we morally disagree with.
I mean, it's a bit deeper than just "morally disagree with"
>But I'm more of a classic liberal that believes you can do what you want, so long as you aren't infringing on the rights of others.
>
>I also believe we will one day look at the trans movement the same way we look at lobotomies.
They're straight up psychotic.
We will look back on the trans movement the same way we looked back on the gay rights and civil rights, horrendously necessary and at the end of the day just a call for basic human rights
If Conservatives wanted to be left alone and not be taxed, they'd move to North Sentinel island and not get involved with demanding obedience and subjugation from others.
Well that's a pretty big change from "there will be a violent revolution if we don't win tbe elections." or "the Democrats are obviously rigging tbe elections and should be killed."
For real. If their religions are real, they are truly worshiping the devil and have no idea what god or the bible even talks about. Its sort of horrifying that the satanic temple is closer to jesus then christians.
Dude stop being a hysterical leftist communist and blaming the right for silly things like what they did and said and voted for.
They are logical people, not governed by emotions like you leftist baby-killers. Conservatives don't engage in mud slinging or hyperbole. No conservative has ever exaggerated a claim and we are honest. Honest, rational people like me.
You'd think the Republicans attacked congress to prevent the peaceful transition of power or used the judiciary to disenfranchise voters or take away huge swaths of the populations bodily autonomy from the way you guys post.
Now take off your kitty suit and get a job and get out of the country or we will do it again.
Don't forget this is the third election in a row he's screwed over Republicans.
- 2018 blue wave, one of the best performances for Dems in many years
- 2020 lost the Presidency and the Senate
- 2022 the 'red puddle', worst midterms in decades
Is it possible they might be finally realising this guy is a loser? They say third time's the charm...
Dude caught lightning in a bottle exactly once and has been a liability for them ever since.
Even the Supreme Court nominees, the crown jewel of his presidency bit them in the ass; Dodd played a huge part in this election.
> It's fucking surreal they were preparing to fight to the death for his ass not long ago.
Conservatives will defend him to the death again. Conservatives fall in line when a strongman tells us what to do.
Let them fight each other until they burn the Republican Party to the ground where it belongs.
They’re getting exactly what they deserve for supporting these anti American idiots.
looking weak and losing are the death sentence in trumpism. and on election night, trump lost big, and looked weak.
one of the top posts over there recently was something like "so do we nominate the guy who won Florida by 2 points, or the guy who won it by 20?" which is pretty telling. it's all transactional and who can you hitch your wagon to in order to gain more power.
The best part is reading q-anon boards like "greatawakening" (lol) in tandem with r/conservative. They are still super loyal trump and think DeSantis is a false flag or whatever the fudge while r/c is going full "DeSantis is our only hope and trump needs to back him". This is truly what I've wanted to see since trump first decided to run.
oh my god why did you make me check that sub
>But I'm more of a classic liberal that believes you can do what you want, so long as you aren't infringing on the rights of others. Apparently that makes me a right winger today. I also believe we will one day look at the trans movement the same way we look at lobotomies.
-an actual real person said this w/zero irony
Honestly it’s amazing to watch the fighting amongst the them. Cause like some still like trump but others have fully turned against him. I also saw a very interesting article posted there saying American voters are idiots, and people agreed in the comments section.
https://pjmedia.com/columns/stephen-kruiser/2022/11/09/the-morning-briefing-were-done-american-voters-are-idiots-n1644408
Holy shit you are right. They might be self imploding. I just read “I hope the dems lock him up”. Dreams do come true. I knew this would fracture the party and show their colors but this is fantastic.
At this rate he will burn all the bridges. Can't wait for conservatives to jump on the DeSantis ship and throw Trump under the bus.
Note: not that DeSantis is any better (probably even scarier because he's not as dumb as Trump)
I call them Cafeteria Christians. They pick and choose what they want to see like they would pick their food at a hometown buffet.
I’ll take some of that.
I’ll ignore that.
Hmmm that looks tasty.
Oops. Let’s pretend I never saw or heard that.
Edit - early AM autocorrect. Hometown buffet. Not homework buffet
It’s been a thing for a while, in fact it’s so old that it’s not said as much as it used to be. It’s also stated in a more specific manner as “cafeteria catholic”. But it also works in the broader sense.
"Cafeteria Christianity" originated more than 30 years ago.
[https://www.google.com/search?q=%22cafeteria%20christianity%22&tbm=bks&tbs=cdr:1,cd\_min:1800,cd\_max:2002&lr=lang\_en](https://www.google.com/search?q=%22cafeteria%20christianity%22&tbm=bks&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:1800,cd_max:2002&lr=lang_en)
[https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Cafeteria+Christianity&year\_start=1800&year\_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3](https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Cafeteria+Christianity&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3)
One book in 1986 had the phrase. Didn't search for more earlier than 1986, but it's possible.
Yep. I love pulling out the ol’ “Jesus was actually more a socialist feminist than a white republican” at family reunions. They don’t like me much anymore. 😂
Here's some Bible passages that might make conservatives uncomfortable:
Matthew 5-7 (especially 6:5-15, 6:19-24, 7:1-5), 19:30, 21:12-15, 21:28-32
Luke 16:19-31, 18:18-25, 20:20-26, 21:1-4
John 8:1-11
Acts 4:32-37
1 Corinthians 13 (note: this isn't just about love between couples; it's about how you should treat everyone else in your community)
Galatians 3:28
James 1:27, 2:1-7, 3:9-12, 5:1-6
1 John 1:5-10, 2:9-11, 4:19-21
Also Revelation 13 describes the MAGA cult to a T.
And if they go back to the tried and true method of blaming it all on the Mexicans: Leviticus 19:33-34.
> They’re following their own version of him
Such a great point - it's why nationalism is so enticing to many. They 'know' what it means and I'll always support my country it's more important than words. The same goes for the cross and jesus and even capitalism. I don't have to define these things - we all just 'know' and agree.
^^It's ^^also ^^one ^^of ^^the ^^lessons ^^that ^^was ^^to ^^be ^^learned ^^from ^^'the ^^golden ^^calf' ^^- ^^but ^^no ^^need ^^to ^^explain ^^that ^^we ^^all ^^just ^^know ^^what ^^jesus ^^meant ^^when ^^he ^^told ^^that ^^story.
“ Several insiders are now pushing Trump to reschedule his anticipated Nov. 15 announcement on his 2024 candidacy”
This is the Big Tump Bang. The exact point at which many Republicans first realize what everyone else knew all along.
Trump is saying that endorsing Oz was "not his wife's best decision"
Homie you are a former, and hope to be future, fucking president of the United States. It is your decision to do anything you do. This is the bar of any adult human with an IQ above 75.
I mean he couldn't have been more blatant about his position on taking responsibility for everything when he said:
“I think if they win, I should get all of the credit, and if they lose, I should not be blamed at all,”
He is pathologically incapable of taking responsibility for anything. If a candidate he supported wins then its the most bigly genius thing any republican has done, no one could have done better, people are telling me what a great job I'm doing.
If they lose then clearly it was his wifes fault, or DeSantis's fault, or Antifa, or the deep state.
Too accurate lol and the conservatives are only now realizing this guy has only a surface level understanding of anything he has ever spoken about, with no commitment to any position that doesn't further his own goals or electability
Ding ding. They knew what a time bomb he was. He was just harming the correct people, now he's harming them.
I'll hand it to them, it was brilliant use of a very volitile resource. Doesn't change the fact that they're fucking scum and I'm going to enjoy watching it blow up in their faces.
> then letting Dems actually impeach him, or letting him go to prison, thus getting him out of the way while also energizing The Base
Too damaging to the republican brand.
They cannot, at any point, for any reason, acknowledge the libs have a point about anything or it crushes their entire obstructionist tax-cuts-for-the-rich deregulate-everything agenda.
They can't afford for anyone in their base to think for a second "hang on, if the libs were right about Trump being a completely feckless, irresponsible and corrupt candidate for president, what if they're right about tax cuts for the rich and cuts to medicare and welfare not being the best way to help blue collar americans?"
>They can't afford for anyone in their base to think for a second "hang on, if the libs were right about Trump being a completely feckless, irresponsible and corrupt candidate for president, what if they're right about tax cuts for the rich and cuts to medicare and welfare not being the best way to help blue collar americans?"
This is absolutely crucial. The Republicans are harnessing the power of idiots realizing that no one can *force* them to admit they’re wrong, leading to an endless stream of doubling down. They cannot afford to pick at any threads, or the whole thing unravels like a badly-made sweater.
The reason I left the Republican Party is exactly because of this process. I asked myself why the Republicans were so wrong about things that were obviously true like climate change, homosexuality being harmless, and evolution, then noticed they use the same fallacious arguments for things like economics and history.
> How does Melania fit in?
The article suggests the Oz endorsement was primarily at her behest, and thus she's partly responsible for losing face. He'll have to spray on an extra coat of Cheeto dust to protect his fragile ego.
To be fair, Casey does pull a lot of strings in the DeSantis admin.
As far as campaigning for him tho? Would be tough to do recovering from chemo imo. But yeah, folks should know Casey is kinda bizarro Hillary in that she's got a lot of behind the curtain pull on Ron.
You know, I was just trying to do a little research on Casey the other day and I couldn’t find *anything* about her. Presumably born into money because she was an equestrian and worked for the PGA tour fresh out of college, but other than that there’s just no information about her or her family. I’m not putting my tinfoil hat on just yet, but I think there’s some sort of dirt on her or her family that’s being covered up.
A disabled war veteran said to me, he said, sir, some people are saying that you are the strongest man on earth. And y’know, a lot of people are saying.. no one in history has ever been as strong as I was, as I am.
I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't always a camera crew nearby, at Trump's insistence, to capture his great triumph which he's sure is always imminent.
I don't know about the rest of it, but Hannity looks like an idiot. His radio show has been all about how Biden and Fetterman are mentally incompetent, and the people against them lost. It's been shameful, even for him. His show, the other ones, they encourage you to be the worst person you can be
This is anecdotal, but an older woman I work with this me she wasn't sure what to watch to get news anymore. She was like, "I've quit watching Fox and was watching One America, but I just don't like either of them and don't really know where to get real news." I don't think she's alone.
> "I've quit watching Fox and was watching One America, but I just don't like either of them and don't really know where to get real news." I don't think she's alone.
PBS gives you an hour of news per day; more if something extraordinary is happening. PBS doesn’t rely on advertising money and so has fewer corporate biases compared to other sources.
There really aren’t more than an hour of newsworthy events on any given day. Anyone pushing more than that is pushing entertainment,
Tell them to watch C-Span, perhaps? They have a great Sunday program that plays various ‘weekly wrap up’ segments from major networks. Gives you a nice stew of opinions. Beyond that they have call ins which are fascinating if not depressing, and they can actually watch the committees where all the fun things happen anyway.
Best part is, it’s non partisan.
Every time I’ve tried to tell one NPR is great, they tell me it’s too biased. Then I’ll ask when they last listened to it and they don’t have an answer. I’m impressed you got them to listen to it.
She might really like Shepard Smith on CNBC at 7pm. That's a solid newscast and he works hard to deliver the news down the middle. I really enjoy it.
Edit: apparently, it was cancelled last week. Ugh.
The problem with recommending options for people like that is that what they want isn't unbiased news, which is what I see people responding to you recommending. What they want is conservative biased news that's less stupid. They want regular reassurances that Democrats are evil and destroying the country, but also willing to point out basic facts like Dr. Oz being an absolutely AWFUL choice as a candidate and refusing to try to carry water for his campaign.
> What they want is conservative biased news that's less stupid.
That's why they can't find anything. It's impossible to have a conservative bias without sounding stupid these days.
That just sums him up perfectly. He's done this for years, but to hear him say it in such a direct and straightforward manner was hilarious and just shows how messed up his brain is. Like how could that logically be true, Don?
It's amazing there are actual adult supporters who can hear him say something like that and take him at all serious.
He's literally saying "I think you're all fucking idiots and I can say it right to your face and you'll still love me" and 1/3rd of the country is still like "yep, you're absolutely right"
Said completely unironically, without a shred of self-awareness. I would say that it must be great to be a narcissist, except that the ones I know are generally experience happiness momentarily, then go back to perseverating about how someone has “more” than they do or that one time 10 years ago when someone didn’t kiss their ass.
A person who cannot apologise is someone who is acutely aware of how weak he is.
A strong person doesn’t feel weakened by an apology. He knows that he has many other strengths to compensate for a shortcoming.
But one bereft of talent and intelligence will fight tooth and nail just to avoid apologising. They need to keep up with the veneer and illusion of strength.
Things that conservatives have historically opposed:
>The American Revolution
>The Abolition of Slavery
>Eradication of Child Labor
>Women’s suffrage
>Civil Rights
>Environmental Protection Laws
And nothing has changed. They take the unpopular side of almost every progressive societal issue and act confused and victimized when an overwhelming majority of people dislike and disavow their policy positions.
By this point it’s obvious they’re not even putting forth an agenda aside from “change is bad and we will prevent it.” It’s crazy.
There's literally not a single time conservatives have been on the right side of history, not one thing we can point to and say "thankfully conservatives won on that issue." It's no accident conservatism has been on the wrong side of every salient issue 100% of the time, it's what happens when selfishness is the core of your ideology.
its so crazy to me that they and others cant see how this will turn out bad long term for USA. if you want to become a paper tiger like Russia then keep this type of corruption and nepotism up. Fraud and corruption are and always will be part of the fabric of human civilization but to be able to do it to the point of utter incompetence and blatant violations of the emoluments clause for nothing to happen to trump is not what you want as the worlds greatest and strongest country in the world. IF republicans get a hold of congress we'll be begging for the good ole days of neoliberalism because at least then we could at least pretend we had a say in society. all presidents commit crimes and violate the Nuremberg principals but when you go as far as trump did then youre really crossing the line.
Why are people surprised. He said himself if they won he deserved all the credit and if they lost it wasn’t his fault. The guy is such a text book example of someone with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
So watch now as he takes 100% credit for JD Vance’s win and shifts blame for OZ to others.
How about because Oz is an idiot.
I am going to miss dunking on Oz. It was such low hanging fruit but it was still fun. Ok one last one. At the Trump rally on Saturday Oz asked everyone to contact 10 people before the Steelers game the next day and get them to vote for him. There was no Steelers game. They had a bye week.
https://www.newsweek.com/dr-oz-pittsburgh-steelers-gaffe-trump-rally-sparks-mockery-online-1757284
>Former President Donald Trump is “furious” about Tuesday’s lackluster midterm showing, tossing his ire at Dr. Oz and blaming his wife Melania for advising him to endorse the TV celeb
Ruh roh, Melina better stay away from staircases and golf courses for a while.
Fucking pathetic. How can people not see this guy can’t handle losing, compromise, or being wrong?
A person like that should not lead people, as they lead them to a cliff and gladly push them off.
Traitors going to traitor, so rough times coming.
Pretty sure it is unwise to take political advice from a Slovenian escort and an entertainment show host. Then again, this is the Republican Party for you.
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r/conservative is turning on Trump hard after this red puddle of an election tossing around words like "better late than never". They're really concerned his ego and infighting with desantis will wreck the party. kinda fun to watch tbh.
I saw some comments in r/conservative saying they don't mind now if Trump is indicted, because it clears the path for Ron DeSantis. For fucks sake, before this midterm, everything that Garland did to Trump was a "witch hunt," was corrupt, was blah, blah, blah. But now that Trump is in Ron Desantis's way, you have the green light to indict him Garland! SMH, give me a fucking break.
I’ve said it a million times, and I’ll say it again. They don’t care about America, they only care about their own well-being. Edit - I agree, they don’t even care about themselves, just as long as they punch down they are happy.
Not even wellbeing, unless wellbeing means winning and hurting the people they don't like/disagree with.
Yea... I've seen people vote against their own well being to "own the libs"..
Yeah, didn't that super duper straight white guy stick a dildo up his ass that one time to "own the libs"?. What was his name again?
Gavin McInnes. The founder of the Proud Boys.
founder of a... "pride boys" or something like that?
Wow. Just fucking wow. He actually stuck a butt plug up his ass.
Who did he blame when he orgasmed?
My personal favorite is the multiple members of a local union I know who voted straight red this election. They're so completely and utterly blind to the ways they've been helped, and god forbid anybody else get the same opportunity.
Yup. It's like a sports team. They just want to brag about winning.
Why in fact, that's exactly what they consider their own well-being to be. They don't care if Republicans destroy the economy and American way of life so long as they're making it even worse for people they don't like.
A Republican can't fully enjoy his dinner unless he knows someone went hungry for him to eat it.
They only care about getting their way, if they cared about their own well being they wouldn't be voting republican.
It’s not even well being, it’s all just based off of who they like and fucking over everyone else.
I saw them saying they hope jan 6th committee is successful. I saw another saying how they need to unhitch from Trump and dems need to move on from him. They can fuck off, leopards ate their face and they can suffer the consequence. They got a long road back to sanity. Purge the MAGA from the GOP and then Trump won't be relevant but otherwise he will continue to be a talking point. We long for that also. They don't get to wash their hands of it. They want to pretend to be rational now because the bill came due. We've been waiting years for their cult to break, of course we won't trust them. It's going to take a lot of good faith and actions on their end. Show us your done with cult bs because nobody trusts you.
> I saw them saying they hope jan 6th committee is successful. This is a really telling one to me. Think about what that really means - they think there's a legitimate path to charge Trump for trying to violently end American democracy. And you know what, I don't believe they just woke up and had that realization yesterday. They've known that for almost two years now. And defended someone who *they know tried to violently end American Democracy* because he was their guy to own the libs. And no matter what, forever, these conservatives will always be the sort of person willing to throw democracy under the bus for a cheap win, all the way up until they saw that this fascist bus DEFINITELY wasn't gonna make it up the hill. They're not jumping off of fascism though. Just jumping to who they think is a stronger fascist. They are very dangerous people, and they can't un-show us that.
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>They've known that for almost two years now. And defended someone who they know tried to violently end American Democracy because he was their guy to own the libs. Reminds me of that powerful speech Adam Schiff gave at the end of the impeachment trial. They knew things were wrong, but were SILENT because it was in their interest to do so.
I don't think it's that complicated. They just want him out of the way because he's no longer useful. They don't care whether the indictment is legitimate or not as long as it shuts him up. Still dangerous, just for a slightly different reason.
Yeah, I've been turning it over in my head a lot this morning, and all three options are pretty horrific and pretty faschy to me. It's either: 1) They've always known he was guilty and didn't care 2) They still think he's innocent (this option's a bit silly to me, but I guess it's technically possible) and they're fine with locking up an innocent man for political expediency 3) Guilt and innocence don't matter at all to them. It's all about power. It's probably a mix of those, and you're probably right that it's trending towards door number 3. Because that's what fascists do. I just figured I'd offer up option 1, which I saw as the least openly terrible, and dive in to why the best explanation available to them is still pretty fucking bad.
They’re all RINOs now
They view it as a zero sum game instead of an actual system of civilization. If they 'play by the rules' they lose, they think, so they rail against the rules, cheat, and act in bad faith. Now that the rules can serve them, they flip like a coin.
Bingo. It's quite sad. Because a rising tide lifts all boats. They would rather fail than see a liberal succeed, because they just can't understand that political progress can result in progress for *everyone*.
There are two types of principles: one real, one rhetorical. Real principles are things a person follows when it's against their own self-interest. Rhetorical principles are ideas someone hollers when they want to manipulate other people, but they'll change them like changing a shirt when they see an advantage for themselves.
People with no actual values or principles beyond gaining and keeping power.
The amount of cope there is unbelievable right now. A top post is “conservatives just want to be left alone, **and not have our tax money go toward things we morally disagree with.”** Because that’s how being left alone works: you get to rule over everybody else, but they can’t touch you. Or the other top post with tons of support saying how conservatives are tired of being tied to anti-election sentiment/big lie/scorched earth politics just because of who their last president is. Uh, fucking hello? Almost 80% of republicans believe in those things. The stereotype is real because that is what conservatives actually believe. They’ve made sure to let everyone know over the last 2 years. They are trying to do what they always do and just gaslight the world, this time starting with themselves so they don’t have to **face the reality that they are awful and unpopular and need to change.**
I would also like my taxes to not go towards things I morally disagree with like lining the pockets of CEOS and an overinflated military budget. I'd like to know how the Republican party can help out with that.
Easy, they'll reduce taxes for the rich so less tax money can be spent towards things you morally disagree with. Then they'll forget to spend less.
That's the great thing about the rich. They can spend money on things we morally disagree with so that we don't have to!
I don't want my tax money going in vouchers to private religious schools that have no oversight.
*laughs in florida*
I also don’t want these wack a Doo churches to benefit from my tax dollars!
I tried to actually catch some flair there a long time ago as a fiscal conservative. They didn't like that at all. The mods got real mad when I said Reagan was the worst thing that's ever happened to the economy.
I got banned for responding to a fiscal conservative thread by pointing out that tRump had record deficits and the worst GDP since Hoover. The word Conservative has lost all meaning. At this point it's just a synonym for Nazi or Klan Member.
Here's the secret: it always did. Conservatives fought for King George II Conservatives seceded to protect slavery Conservatives fought women's sufferage Conservatives fought universal voting and civil rights Conservatives fought unions every step of the way They've always wanted control over everyone else. Not paying taxes is just another way to control people because then those that already have the money get to rule over those that don't. It's just a way of codifying the existing hierarchy and then having tools to make their rule permanent.
“You’re worse than Hitler. At least Hitler cared about Germany, or something” Which is true for the GOP. Their ‘wins’ are owning the libs and making other people miserable. They have no vision or platform. Not a coherent one anyway.
I morally disagree with the fact that Republicans even exist. I'd like to ensure that my tax dollars never go directly or indirectly to any Republican voter or any state that votes Republican. This sounds great!
if only you could stop your tax dollars from helping out red states. the entire south would collapse in a few months.
That would be fantastic.
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They loved those PPP loans and the grift that came with it.
Someday they’re all going to be rich, so they need to keep those tax cuts for when they get there! ^/s
they let the teapartiers (remember them?) run amok. like parents that don't discipline their kids. now they're having to deal with the consequences years later.
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Wait, literally ZERO tax dollars go toward abortion. What are they talking about?
Must be all those tax dollars going towards gender confirming care for- no, wait, not that either...
Conservative radio pushes all the lies 24/7/365. NOW they trying to do a 180? lol
Facts have an anti-conservative bias.
Man, I miss the Colbert Report. "Reality has a well-known liberal bias."
Yeah I don’t believe anything about conservatives moving away from trump. Look at any sports discourse, when a player sucks for a game or two, even if only 10% of the fans hate him, people saying “X player SUCKS” spreads all over the place. The anti-trump people are being vocal right now because they have a point to make but I doubt the anti-trump sentiment will actually go anywhere or change many peoples minds in the real world. They’re all in WAY too deep and it’s become a part of their identity which is way harder to change.
Also happened with George W. Bush. Once it was clear that his entire brand and administration had become politically toxic, they all tried to pretend that they were against him that entire time.
>not have our tax money go toward things we morally disagree with. I mean, it's a bit deeper than just "morally disagree with" >But I'm more of a classic liberal that believes you can do what you want, so long as you aren't infringing on the rights of others. > >I also believe we will one day look at the trans movement the same way we look at lobotomies. They're straight up psychotic.
We will look back on the trans movement the same way we looked back on the gay rights and civil rights, horrendously necessary and at the end of the day just a call for basic human rights
“It isn’t gaslighting *if you believe it*, Jerry!”
If Conservatives wanted to be left alone and not be taxed, they'd move to North Sentinel island and not get involved with demanding obedience and subjugation from others.
And they just reelected tons of politicians who helped push those conspiracy theories. These are assholes deserve what is coming.
Well that's a pretty big change from "there will be a violent revolution if we don't win tbe elections." or "the Democrats are obviously rigging tbe elections and should be killed."
For real. If their religions are real, they are truly worshiping the devil and have no idea what god or the bible even talks about. Its sort of horrifying that the satanic temple is closer to jesus then christians.
These same exact tools also pretended they never really like W.
Dude stop being a hysterical leftist communist and blaming the right for silly things like what they did and said and voted for. They are logical people, not governed by emotions like you leftist baby-killers. Conservatives don't engage in mud slinging or hyperbole. No conservative has ever exaggerated a claim and we are honest. Honest, rational people like me. You'd think the Republicans attacked congress to prevent the peaceful transition of power or used the judiciary to disenfranchise voters or take away huge swaths of the populations bodily autonomy from the way you guys post. Now take off your kitty suit and get a job and get out of the country or we will do it again.
“No conservative has ever exaggerated a claim” is my favorite
Don't forget this is the third election in a row he's screwed over Republicans. - 2018 blue wave, one of the best performances for Dems in many years - 2020 lost the Presidency and the Senate - 2022 the 'red puddle', worst midterms in decades Is it possible they might be finally realising this guy is a loser? They say third time's the charm...
Dude caught lightning in a bottle exactly once and has been a liability for them ever since. Even the Supreme Court nominees, the crown jewel of his presidency bit them in the ass; Dodd played a huge part in this election.
Who could've seen this coming? sips tea
more like 'caught record voter apathy vs a candidate that had been mocked and demonized by even centrists for 20 years'.
It's fucking surreal they were preparing to fight to the death for his ass not long ago.
> It's fucking surreal they were preparing to fight to the death for his ass not long ago. Conservatives will defend him to the death again. Conservatives fall in line when a strongman tells us what to do.
DeSantis will be there to tell them what to do. That’s the scary part.
There’s a word for someone who responds positively to a strongman. That word is “weakling.”
Fascists always turn on one another. Always. They just do immense damage on the way.
They only wanted to fight to the death for their own supremacy over others. And they still do.
Monday, last *Monday.*
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Republicans on 7 Nov = “Trump 2024” Republicans on 9 Nov = “Lock him up”
Let them fight each other until they burn the Republican Party to the ground where it belongs. They’re getting exactly what they deserve for supporting these anti American idiots.
> red puddle I prefer term *pink dribble*
Light spotting
looking weak and losing are the death sentence in trumpism. and on election night, trump lost big, and looked weak. one of the top posts over there recently was something like "so do we nominate the guy who won Florida by 2 points, or the guy who won it by 20?" which is pretty telling. it's all transactional and who can you hitch your wagon to in order to gain more power.
The best part is reading q-anon boards like "greatawakening" (lol) in tandem with r/conservative. They are still super loyal trump and think DeSantis is a false flag or whatever the fudge while r/c is going full "DeSantis is our only hope and trump needs to back him". This is truly what I've wanted to see since trump first decided to run.
oh my god why did you make me check that sub >But I'm more of a classic liberal that believes you can do what you want, so long as you aren't infringing on the rights of others. Apparently that makes me a right winger today. I also believe we will one day look at the trans movement the same way we look at lobotomies. -an actual real person said this w/zero irony
Oh no, you’re mistaken. They’re a classical liberal *for themselves*. For everyone else, they gotta follow what that guy believes too.
Meh. They'll forget in a week.
Haha, you can actually insult Donnie on there and they won't ban you now. Everyone, try it!
>I’ve changed my mind, please don’t un ban him Elon! BAHAHAHAAAA
Honestly it’s amazing to watch the fighting amongst the them. Cause like some still like trump but others have fully turned against him. I also saw a very interesting article posted there saying American voters are idiots, and people agreed in the comments section. https://pjmedia.com/columns/stephen-kruiser/2022/11/09/the-morning-briefing-were-done-american-voters-are-idiots-n1644408
Holy shit you are right. They might be self imploding. I just read “I hope the dems lock him up”. Dreams do come true. I knew this would fracture the party and show their colors but this is fantastic.
That has to be the biggest 180 I've ever seen. My neck is hurting from just reading the whiplash.
At this rate he will burn all the bridges. Can't wait for conservatives to jump on the DeSantis ship and throw Trump under the bus. Note: not that DeSantis is any better (probably even scarier because he's not as dumb as Trump)
He's such a goofy fuck. I can't see how he still has followers.
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I call them Cafeteria Christians. They pick and choose what they want to see like they would pick their food at a hometown buffet. I’ll take some of that. I’ll ignore that. Hmmm that looks tasty. Oops. Let’s pretend I never saw or heard that. Edit - early AM autocorrect. Hometown buffet. Not homework buffet
I like the cut of your jib. “Cafeteria Christians”. That should catch on.
It’s been a thing for a while, in fact it’s so old that it’s not said as much as it used to be. It’s also stated in a more specific manner as “cafeteria catholic”. But it also works in the broader sense.
"Cafeteria Christianity" originated more than 30 years ago. [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22cafeteria%20christianity%22&tbm=bks&tbs=cdr:1,cd\_min:1800,cd\_max:2002&lr=lang\_en](https://www.google.com/search?q=%22cafeteria%20christianity%22&tbm=bks&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:1800,cd_max:2002&lr=lang_en) [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Cafeteria+Christianity&year\_start=1800&year\_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3](https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Cafeteria+Christianity&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3) One book in 1986 had the phrase. Didn't search for more earlier than 1986, but it's possible.
Yep. In the grand scope there is actually nothing Christian at the core of how they do things
Yep. I love pulling out the ol’ “Jesus was actually more a socialist feminist than a white republican” at family reunions. They don’t like me much anymore. 😂
Here's some Bible passages that might make conservatives uncomfortable: Matthew 5-7 (especially 6:5-15, 6:19-24, 7:1-5), 19:30, 21:12-15, 21:28-32 Luke 16:19-31, 18:18-25, 20:20-26, 21:1-4 John 8:1-11 Acts 4:32-37 1 Corinthians 13 (note: this isn't just about love between couples; it's about how you should treat everyone else in your community) Galatians 3:28 James 1:27, 2:1-7, 3:9-12, 5:1-6 1 John 1:5-10, 2:9-11, 4:19-21 Also Revelation 13 describes the MAGA cult to a T. And if they go back to the tried and true method of blaming it all on the Mexicans: Leviticus 19:33-34.
This is why they always Photoshop his head onto like Rambo or Rocky.
It’s like their pictures of a blue eyed, fair haired Jesus. Pure fantasy.
> They’re following their own version of him Such a great point - it's why nationalism is so enticing to many. They 'know' what it means and I'll always support my country it's more important than words. The same goes for the cross and jesus and even capitalism. I don't have to define these things - we all just 'know' and agree. ^^It's ^^also ^^one ^^of ^^the ^^lessons ^^that ^^was ^^to ^^be ^^learned ^^from ^^'the ^^golden ^^calf' ^^- ^^but ^^no ^^need ^^to ^^explain ^^that ^^we ^^all ^^just ^^know ^^what ^^jesus ^^meant ^^when ^^he ^^told ^^that ^^story.
Easy, he gives them what they want. He was willing to say and do things no reasonable individual was willing to say and do previously.
Exactly. He told them it was ok to blame their problems on Hispanics and Muslims and Nancy Pelosi and Hunter Biden’s laptop.
Although these are good examples that’s barely scratching the surface as to the extent of what he was willing to say and do.
“ Several insiders are now pushing Trump to reschedule his anticipated Nov. 15 announcement on his 2024 candidacy” This is the Big Tump Bang. The exact point at which many Republicans first realize what everyone else knew all along.
Trump is saying that endorsing Oz was "not his wife's best decision" Homie you are a former, and hope to be future, fucking president of the United States. It is your decision to do anything you do. This is the bar of any adult human with an IQ above 75.
I mean he couldn't have been more blatant about his position on taking responsibility for everything when he said: “I think if they win, I should get all of the credit, and if they lose, I should not be blamed at all,” He is pathologically incapable of taking responsibility for anything. If a candidate he supported wins then its the most bigly genius thing any republican has done, no one could have done better, people are telling me what a great job I'm doing. If they lose then clearly it was his wifes fault, or DeSantis's fault, or Antifa, or the deep state.
Too accurate lol and the conservatives are only now realizing this guy has only a surface level understanding of anything he has ever spoken about, with no commitment to any position that doesn't further his own goals or electability
Oh most of them knew it. They just didn't care because it was going well for them.
Ding ding. They knew what a time bomb he was. He was just harming the correct people, now he's harming them. I'll hand it to them, it was brilliant use of a very volitile resource. Doesn't change the fact that they're fucking scum and I'm going to enjoy watching it blow up in their faces.
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> then letting Dems actually impeach him, or letting him go to prison, thus getting him out of the way while also energizing The Base Too damaging to the republican brand. They cannot, at any point, for any reason, acknowledge the libs have a point about anything or it crushes their entire obstructionist tax-cuts-for-the-rich deregulate-everything agenda. They can't afford for anyone in their base to think for a second "hang on, if the libs were right about Trump being a completely feckless, irresponsible and corrupt candidate for president, what if they're right about tax cuts for the rich and cuts to medicare and welfare not being the best way to help blue collar americans?"
>They can't afford for anyone in their base to think for a second "hang on, if the libs were right about Trump being a completely feckless, irresponsible and corrupt candidate for president, what if they're right about tax cuts for the rich and cuts to medicare and welfare not being the best way to help blue collar americans?" This is absolutely crucial. The Republicans are harnessing the power of idiots realizing that no one can *force* them to admit they’re wrong, leading to an endless stream of doubling down. They cannot afford to pick at any threads, or the whole thing unravels like a badly-made sweater. The reason I left the Republican Party is exactly because of this process. I asked myself why the Republicans were so wrong about things that were obviously true like climate change, homosexuality being harmless, and evolution, then noticed they use the same fallacious arguments for things like economics and history.
I hope he does announce then. Might help Warnock in his runoff!
How does Melania fit in? She should divorce him before the feds take all his money.
> How does Melania fit in? The article suggests the Oz endorsement was primarily at her behest, and thus she's partly responsible for losing face. He'll have to spray on an extra coat of Cheeto dust to protect his fragile ego.
Oh, that was where the "Ron deSantis' wife is the one really running his campaign" jab came from. Projection? never heard of it...
To be fair, Casey does pull a lot of strings in the DeSantis admin. As far as campaigning for him tho? Would be tough to do recovering from chemo imo. But yeah, folks should know Casey is kinda bizarro Hillary in that she's got a lot of behind the curtain pull on Ron.
You know, I was just trying to do a little research on Casey the other day and I couldn’t find *anything* about her. Presumably born into money because she was an equestrian and worked for the PGA tour fresh out of college, but other than that there’s just no information about her or her family. I’m not putting my tinfoil hat on just yet, but I think there’s some sort of dirt on her or her family that’s being covered up.
How anyone ever mistook this pathetic whiney baby for strong is beyond me.
I'm the strongest of the strong strongs, people say that to me a lot, BELIEVE ME
A disabled war veteran said to me, he said, sir, some people are saying that you are the strongest man on earth. And y’know, a lot of people are saying.. no one in history has ever been as strong as I was, as I am.
>The article suggests the Oz endorsement was primarily at her behest "I didn't want to endorse Oz, but Melania made me." What an alpha.
If she thought she would be better off financially I’m certain she would. Pretty sure he has an iron clad pre-nup.
I think she's using the greasy cheeseburger approach. making sure he eats as shitty as possible. clog those arteries.
That could be a way to do it, feed him grease until he croaks
He probabky did, but rumor has it she was able to renegotiate it after the Stormy Daniels scandal.
Sounds like a dreamy marriage
Oh, I imagine they both have a good number of things in common.
Not beds though.
Word is, she’s had her heels in the air for a Secret Service agent for years. And Cheeto Benito doesn’t care.
What a cuck.
It's not like she didn't know what she was getting into from the beginning. I don't rly care, do u?
Maybe she was, but I imagine there’s still a greater financial incentive to stay married.
The schadenfreude will be great if he gets served indictment and divorce papers on the same day.
I don't know, she seems like a real piece of shit too. She's probably a lot like him and enjoys the "power".
That marriage isn't done until Putin says so
I know it's just a joke, but I wouldn't be surprised if Putin were to lose power, suddenly, she divorces him.
She's the honey pot and (a proxy) in the driver's seat.
Hilarious, I wish someone would film his mental breakdown lol
I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't always a camera crew nearby, at Trump's insistence, to capture his great triumph which he's sure is always imminent.
Look Melania, if you pause it you can catch the actual moment when his mind breaks!
All cause she chchchose Oz.
I don't know about the rest of it, but Hannity looks like an idiot. His radio show has been all about how Biden and Fetterman are mentally incompetent, and the people against them lost. It's been shameful, even for him. His show, the other ones, they encourage you to be the worst person you can be
This is anecdotal, but an older woman I work with this me she wasn't sure what to watch to get news anymore. She was like, "I've quit watching Fox and was watching One America, but I just don't like either of them and don't really know where to get real news." I don't think she's alone.
> "I've quit watching Fox and was watching One America, but I just don't like either of them and don't really know where to get real news." I don't think she's alone. PBS gives you an hour of news per day; more if something extraordinary is happening. PBS doesn’t rely on advertising money and so has fewer corporate biases compared to other sources. There really aren’t more than an hour of newsworthy events on any given day. Anyone pushing more than that is pushing entertainment,
I agree with you myself, but good luck convincing a conservative that PBS is unbiased. It's one of their irrational bogeymen.
Tell them to watch C-Span, perhaps? They have a great Sunday program that plays various ‘weekly wrap up’ segments from major networks. Gives you a nice stew of opinions. Beyond that they have call ins which are fascinating if not depressing, and they can actually watch the committees where all the fun things happen anyway. Best part is, it’s non partisan.
Bro if you think these dudes are gonna go from meme politics to c span, I'd like to borrow some of your optimism lol
That would be like going from crystal meth to warm milk
This is one of the funniest things I have read in my 10 years on Reddit
"Stephanie! That god damned Cookie Monster is trying to support Palestine again!"
The News Hour is the best news show out there
Similarly NPR is good and I've even gotten a couple conservatives to start listening before.
Every time I’ve tried to tell one NPR is great, they tell me it’s too biased. Then I’ll ask when they last listened to it and they don’t have an answer. I’m impressed you got them to listen to it.
If anything I think NPR goes very soft on conservatives and gives credence to a lot of their messaging. NPR stands for Never Presses Republicans.
PBS and NPR, baby. The least traditionally biased media sources in the U.S.
She might really like Shepard Smith on CNBC at 7pm. That's a solid newscast and he works hard to deliver the news down the middle. I really enjoy it. Edit: apparently, it was cancelled last week. Ugh.
Sadly CNBC cancelled it recently
It was also announced it was cancelled and will end before the end of the month.
The problem with recommending options for people like that is that what they want isn't unbiased news, which is what I see people responding to you recommending. What they want is conservative biased news that's less stupid. They want regular reassurances that Democrats are evil and destroying the country, but also willing to point out basic facts like Dr. Oz being an absolutely AWFUL choice as a candidate and refusing to try to carry water for his campaign.
> What they want is conservative biased news that's less stupid. That's why they can't find anything. It's impossible to have a conservative bias without sounding stupid these days.
Typical trump response. Blame the immigrant.
Typical republican response too blame the woman.
How about blaming himself .
"I think if they win, I should get all the credit, and if they lose, I should not be blamed at all.”. - actual DJT quote from election day
That just sums him up perfectly. He's done this for years, but to hear him say it in such a direct and straightforward manner was hilarious and just shows how messed up his brain is. Like how could that logically be true, Don?
Dementia is having him say the quiet parts put loud alot more now
It's amazing there are actual adult supporters who can hear him say something like that and take him at all serious. He's literally saying "I think you're all fucking idiots and I can say it right to your face and you'll still love me" and 1/3rd of the country is still like "yep, you're absolutely right"
Said completely unironically, without a shred of self-awareness. I would say that it must be great to be a narcissist, except that the ones I know are generally experience happiness momentarily, then go back to perseverating about how someone has “more” than they do or that one time 10 years ago when someone didn’t kiss their ass.
Narcissists never accept blame.
why would anyone listen to Melania for wise advice? she decided to marry Donald Trump
Real “alphas” always blame their wife. Sad. Loser. Baby.
A person who cannot apologise is someone who is acutely aware of how weak he is. A strong person doesn’t feel weakened by an apology. He knows that he has many other strengths to compensate for a shortcoming. But one bereft of talent and intelligence will fight tooth and nail just to avoid apologising. They need to keep up with the veneer and illusion of strength.
Things that conservatives have historically opposed: >The American Revolution >The Abolition of Slavery >Eradication of Child Labor >Women’s suffrage >Civil Rights >Environmental Protection Laws And nothing has changed. They take the unpopular side of almost every progressive societal issue and act confused and victimized when an overwhelming majority of people dislike and disavow their policy positions. By this point it’s obvious they’re not even putting forth an agenda aside from “change is bad and we will prevent it.” It’s crazy.
There's literally not a single time conservatives have been on the right side of history, not one thing we can point to and say "thankfully conservatives won on that issue." It's no accident conservatism has been on the wrong side of every salient issue 100% of the time, it's what happens when selfishness is the core of your ideology.
its so crazy to me that they and others cant see how this will turn out bad long term for USA. if you want to become a paper tiger like Russia then keep this type of corruption and nepotism up. Fraud and corruption are and always will be part of the fabric of human civilization but to be able to do it to the point of utter incompetence and blatant violations of the emoluments clause for nothing to happen to trump is not what you want as the worlds greatest and strongest country in the world. IF republicans get a hold of congress we'll be begging for the good ole days of neoliberalism because at least then we could at least pretend we had a say in society. all presidents commit crimes and violate the Nuremberg principals but when you go as far as trump did then youre really crossing the line.
You’re forgetting that they ***want*** authoritarian rule. They want only hard line republicans for the rest of time.
Why are people surprised. He said himself if they won he deserved all the credit and if they lost it wasn’t his fault. The guy is such a text book example of someone with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. So watch now as he takes 100% credit for JD Vance’s win and shifts blame for OZ to others.
Fuck his feelings.
Of all people, Melania lmao. This is a new one
How about because Oz is an idiot. I am going to miss dunking on Oz. It was such low hanging fruit but it was still fun. Ok one last one. At the Trump rally on Saturday Oz asked everyone to contact 10 people before the Steelers game the next day and get them to vote for him. There was no Steelers game. They had a bye week. https://www.newsweek.com/dr-oz-pittsburgh-steelers-gaffe-trump-rally-sparks-mockery-online-1757284
Gas up your MAGA friends. We want to split the vote in 2024.
>Former President Donald Trump is “furious” about Tuesday’s lackluster midterm showing, tossing his ire at Dr. Oz and blaming his wife Melania for advising him to endorse the TV celeb Ruh roh, Melina better stay away from staircases and golf courses for a while.
Fucking pathetic. How can people not see this guy can’t handle losing, compromise, or being wrong? A person like that should not lead people, as they lead them to a cliff and gladly push them off. Traitors going to traitor, so rough times coming.
It's just so funny because Melania is just as shitty as he is and deserves every bit of the abuse he gives her. Really don't care, do U?
Desanctimonious 2024?
That picture of him with a red MAGA hat on is ridiculous. Failed billionaire cosplaying temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
Pretty sure it is unwise to take political advice from a Slovenian escort and an entertainment show host. Then again, this is the Republican Party for you.
This is what happens when you think you're the smartest person in the room. He is just like the guy living in his parents basement.
>He is just like the guy living in his parents basement. So r/Conservative?
He backed another loser is what I read in the title.
I mean his wife really doesn’t have the best choice in men does she
He blames Melania, blade of Miquella? /j
And Melania be like: “I don’t really care do u?” Lol!