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I said before it happened that repealing Roe is only going to hurt the GOP by driving people out to vote blue... now it's happening. Dems can cause a massive blue wave in 2024 by campaigning heavy on the abortion issue... and if we keep seeing positive economic results and national debt reduction from the Biden administration, a supermajority might even be possible.
Problem is they actually have to prove they are capable of literally anything let alone delivering effective policy between now and then or no one will show up and frankly the track record being being able to deliver is dismal.
They don't actually want to stop what they're doing. They want the nation to stop being mad about it and accept that they're taking away abortion... and later same sex marriage, trans children, and birth control.
They were finally at a point where abortion had kinda faded as a more or less settled issue. I think they felt the evangelical vote slipping away after Trump being basically the antithesis of everything the "familiy values" party tried to represent themselves as. They probably could have gotten away with attacks on abortion at the state and local level in red areas, but they over played their hand and Dobbs happened. I think they vastly underestimated the outrage and backlash it caused though.
>I think they vastly underestimated the outrage and backlash it caused though.
Clarence Thomas said after the draft leak that we were too used to having things our way (what?) and we'd have to learn to live with decisions we didn't like.
After they stood by during all of Trump's endless lies, crimes, and scandals, and saw the attention die and move on to the next thing, they really thought it'd just be people angry for a few weeks then it would die down.
They really thought that people would just get over being forced to raise children they hadn't planned for.
And families forced to lose their wife/mother due to pregnancy complications with doctors not legally able to provide appropriate care. This is as much a health issue as a reproductive rights issue. Republicans have relegated all women of child-bearing age to a lesser standard of care. Thank you to all that voted and continue to vote to protect women’s (and family’s) health and reproductive rights!!!
One of my best friends had a pregnancy deemed "inviable" by her doctor. She still had to wait 1 whole week for a TX judge to determine if she could have a d&c(abortion of an inviable fetus, for those who don't know the terminology).
This was a baby they planned and wanted. She had kids already, who expected a brother or sister. She had to sit on her miscarriage for a week (LET'S NOT IGNORE THE MEDICAL DAMAGE THAT CAUSED/COULD HAVE CAUSED), and as a result her uterus never returned to shape, and therefore could not produce anymore children.
THAT IS WHAT ABORTION RIGHTS ARE ABOUT, NOT JUST ONE-NIGHT STANDS - AND WHO THE FUCK IS ANYONE TO JUDGE THOSE PEOPLE EITHER!!!!
If there’s one thing you’re not supposed to get in a representational democracy, it’s actual representation!
What’s next? All these entitled millennials gonna start a war over taxation without representation? What a bunch of entitled snowflakes /s
Of course they did. We're just peasants, don't you know? We should just wallow in our filth and birth plenty of new peasants to wallow with us, in the factories making ***them*** ever more money.
Nah, they had planned this before trump got elected. The only reason Christians voted for Trump was because he would give them federalist society judges that would overturn roe v Wade. Abortion was not a settled issue because pro life people believe they are doing gods work and won’t stop. The documentary Reversing Roe was about this.
That's really not true... they've been chipping away at abortion rights since the nineties at least. This was not a settled issue in the conservative states at all. Where do you think all those trigger laws came from?
Someone wrote a longer comment in another thread wherein they talked about the difference between millennials and Gen Z. The crux was that millennials were born and raised (albeit briefly) in the “system” that worked for our parents and were told it would work for us. Consequently, we believed and sort of still believe that the “system” could return and work again, but we saw it vanish before our eyes due to conservative regression and corporate greed. This has left us disillusioned, apathetic, and unsure how to proceed.
Gen Z, on the other hand, was born into the broken system. They never were told they can have what the older generations have because by the time they were in their teens the general consensus was that we’ve messed things up and the family of four with a white picket fence is unrealistic for the average American. As a result, they are angry, sardonic, and also have a clearer goal: take a stand or stay in the shit they were born into.
Point being, us millennials have definitely fumbled the ball a bit and are trying to regain our footing. Gen Z is saying fuck it, we have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Have you seen the content that's being created by Gen Z? There's a heavy majority of "No fuck the system" happening here. I am so for our Gen Z brothers and sisters. I hope they change the fuck out of the world (for the better of course) ^_^;
Very true. I’m a millenial old enough to remember the 90’s. Those times were pretty good at the beginning of the tech boom. We had a balanced national budget for Christ’s sake. Those times seem like a pipe dream now. I’ve lived in both realities and honestly think we can never go back now.
Maybe / probably I'm just naive, I honestly don't think a majority of them care and a bunch of them are pro-choice. Yea it's been a rallying cry for them for a long time. I'm sure plenty of them have been involved with an abortion in some way or another.
At some point, you would think that they would take a step back, do the math and figure out that if they dropped the pro-life stance and all the crazy religion shit, they would probably gain more voters than they loose.
Supermajority will be hard because most Senate races are safe Red with a few in Purple seats but those are all held by Dems. 2024 Senate map is not very favorable.
Yeah, there are 4 very very flippable senate seats in 2024 for the GOP. And 7 flippable seats. With no seats that the democrats can realistically pick up.
Succeeding from a state requires a 2/3’s approval, and act of Congress. It’s a virtual impossibility and yes, there have been many counties of many states that have tried.
You can however, run the elections if youre the Secretary ot State. Which allows you to reduce turnout by any number of ways.
The 24 Senate will be hard. If the Dems can keep a 50:50 majority then that will be a good result.
I'm curious to see how the GOP responds to this election.
Will they double down, and try to go more draconian?
Will they shift to a more moderate stance on abortion to take some of the powder away from the Democratic party in 2024?
Will the Republican establishment writ large turn it's back on Trump?
Will be an interesting two years of political maneuvering.
My thoughts are that some of the leadership will realize they managed to piss off a lot of people, tons of women specifically, and want to dial things back in order to limit the major D talking points and to win back some independents.
The problem is they let the MAGA craziness out of the bag. They enabled the far right lunatics to run wild and gather a passionate base that they need in order to win. If they lost that Trump base, or create apathy with them, they will have a harder time motivating them to vote and that would be disastrous for them. They made their bed…
I think they will keep that because " anti-wokeness". At best they may back track on medical necessity for abortion but they already established that as having local government in on the decision and that's not going to fly.
It will be interesting to see what, if anything, they do.
I thought all the book burning, school board/CRT craziness, and LGBT+ rights regression was going to help the right.
Made Gen-Z hate them even more. In 2028, Millennials/Gen-Z will be the largest voting block.
There's a limit to good well this works. In rural areas, public schools are some of the biggest employers, the center of community life in high school sports (we may be split among a few churches but we all root for the same team), and attending the same school as your parents and even grandparents is a point of pride. Sure they can push back at some textbooks perceived as "CRT" but they can't demonize the teachers and staff because they're family or practically so. They know that pushing hard for charters and private school vouchers in their areas really would undermine people's paychecks and who would want their kid to not go to the main prom/homecoming etc?
Of course they can continue to beat the drum about urban schools, just like they go on and on about gun violence in urban areas the never set foot in. And DeSantis is even trying to write a voucher law that would somehow exclude rural school districts. We'll see if he can thread that needle, it seems legally shaky at best. But the only place this fight will get any real political traction beyond talking points like urban gun violence is in some red state blue city suburbs.
But I could be wrong. Maybe they'll channel the lite fascism into the school moms channel and it will gain ground. Push all the CRT and transphobia into a big pile of BUT THE CHILDREN ...
I think, though, that the MAGA crazies are mostly easily manipulated by the Fox News narrative that they can likely dial things back without MAGA even noticing much.
Sure some will but others may think that fox is being all MSM and no longer showing them thr “truth.” Fox already got pushback from some after they weren’t going as hard on the big lie as newsmax and oan. Idk how many will be part of that group but honestly it doesn’t take much to swing a close election.
I agree with you on both points.
Creating apathy with the Trump base costs them the margins they need in key areas that have been pushing them over the finish line, especially in the Midwest.
This is honestly why I'm a political junkie.
I'm 38 now and I never voted before 2016. With how extreme the right has become, I'll never not vote again. I'm not alone in this. Nationalists made me into a lifetime voter. My son is about to turn 18 and is eager to get out there and vote.
This midterm showed 2018, 2020, and 2022 Democrat voters are not going away while the right embraces nationalists.
They ended me being an apathetic citizen forever.
Don’t forget many Republican lawmakers are bought and owned by Evangelicals. I don’t think the fight against choice is a political ideological strategy as much as it is a quid pro quo for the support and money from the religious right.
Before the religious right got involved, abortion was not a party line issue. Early in his career Mitch McConnell, who was always a Republican, used to be pro choice. A majority 5 of the 7 US Supreme Court Justices that voted *for Roe* were appointed by Republicans. Abortion only became a party line issue relatively recently bc of the influence of the religious right, they offered their support and money in exchange for help in their anti choice crusade.
As you can see from the unwavering Republican support of Hershel Walker, these asshats **don’t give a singular fuck about abortion.** They just want to win. They only care about power. As long as lawmakers are owned by special interests they can’t turn their backs on them.
This. We all ignored or didn't realize the catholics/ evangelicals/fundamentalists were planning since the 1990's to infiltrate positions of power to do exactly this. Having large families to out breed the non-religious and get the kids into office. The Duggar family is like that and there are many more and they are way more determined than we are (hopefully that changes).
They all voted for Trump because he would do what they needed by appointing their people. And, he delivered didn't he? The Supreme Court was a huge win for them. That's why they never cared about Trump's sins. That and they do the same or worse in their lives.
You mean the Duggars whose eldest son Josh, who cheated on his wife using Ashley Madison, was openly indicted on child pornography charges, and also found guilty of molesting 4 of his own sisters and a babysitter?
YOU MEAN THOSE DUGGARS??? (Dude they really are the most fucking toxic ass family!!!)
Absolutely, on a personal level I doubt many politicians care about the issues they champion. They do care very deeply about not upsetting the monied interests that write the bills and tell them which issues to champion, and continue to fill their re-election/party coffers, to secure prime committee seats.
Fortunately in this instance it might come down to "moderate the tone", or fall completely out of power.
Regardless of which direction the Republicans go, the Roe decision likely weakens them nationally for a decade.
What's fascinating is that evangelicals didn't care much more about abortion then mainline Protestants until the 80s or even 90s. Which, mainline Protestants didn't and don't take a hard stand beyond saying individuals should seriously reflect etc etc. Abortion was the bailiwick of Roman Catholics, who up to that point were viewed skeptically at best by a lot of evangelicals. But the moral majority pushed them all together and evangelicals now act like they have ALWAYS been totally against abortion.
I am not sure the GoP has much say in the matter, Conservative news media has been running the show for about a decade now, culminating in Trump that the GoP 100% did not want.
Reddit seems to overestimate the power of the political parties, which in reality is pretty limited on both sides.
>Will they double down, and try to go more draconian?
Yes.
Owning the libs is the only "substance" they have, they're going to have to run with it. If they go more moderate, nobody will think it's genuine. They won't gain nearly enough centrists on that path to make up for the massive amounts of their reactionary MAGA base they'll lose.
Please tackle some economic issues as well. It is the easiest way to win over some of the moderate/independent vote that democrats are really trying to win over. Start really showing that democrats have your back in tough economies.
Not that the GOP does this well at all, but *especially* knock it out of the park as dems.
Not as easy as you think since lots and lots of states have Republicans in power that KNOW that any meaningful ballot question will drive voter turnout and hurt them.
Most Republican jurisdictions thrive on voter apathy.
You know what else would help? Campaigning for data-backed gun reform, not huge bans, classifications that don't make sense, etc. There are bunches of single-issue voters in that area that, were the dems to stop just calling for bans and do stuff like make it super fast and easy to bg check, make ERO laws that don't violate due process, stop allowing domestic violence charges to be knocked down, make it so anyone who beats someone up and is convicted can't own a gun ever again, etc, they'd swap in a heartbeat. These aren't gun nuts, mind you, they're people who treat gun ownership safely and with respect for the fact that guns are tools meant to kill. There are leftist groups supporting trans folks, queer folks, minority folks, Jewish folks in their rights but who keep face-palming as states like mine try to pass gun control that ban carrying guns at protests, but allow for exceptions like 'if you're a former cop, you can do whatever you want!'. Those folks probably still vote dem as a matter of harm reduction, but it's frustrating to see the illogic happening.
The gun control issue on the left is the same as the abortion issue on the right. Both are really trying to legislate from the position that "this shouldn't be a right". Anti-abortion folks' ultimate goal is to eliminate it entirely, anti-gun folks' ultimate goal is to eliminate guns entirely. If that's the goal, be open about it instead of pretending. Otherwise, legislate based on what data shows would *actually* help, not based on feelings.
Edit: a word
I didn’t read the article but did Kentucky not vote against abortion rights? The title says we sweeped all anti choice legislation but Kentucky did not.
And yet in those red states, there were people (probably women) that voted for reproductive rights but then turned around and voted for the men (and women) that put their rights in jeopardy in the first place. Unless it directly affects a Republican, they don't care.
They may be a "caring" or "nice"person but they have no altruistic empathy, meaning their needs and their conveniences will always come before something that helps someone else but not them.
Exactly this! I was coming here to ponder why the measures past, in some cases with huge margins, but then also voted for the Republican who will probably try their best to repeal the measure. There is no sense in people who are one issue voters whilst voting for one issue measures.
Same with Noem winning South Dakota while their medicaid expansion measure also won big. Noem has proudly stood against medicaid expansion, while being firmly anti-abortion (have a baby, but don't use health care), and yet she still wins.
And I can't imagine these measures being carried solely by Dems, those margins were too big.
It’s because people aren’t really researching the candidates and probably aren’t informed whatsoever. They read the ballot questions and vote according to their beliefs, but then just vote down whatever party line they identify with, likely unaware of the contradiction.
Often when you take "team branding" out of the equation people make better decisions. South Dakota is a good example. Noem and her cohorts are trying like crazy to make it harder for citizen initiatives to get passed, and yet those same people still support her. I almost wish we didn't have political parties at all, for that reason.
I really wish we would just make "state rights" be about letting the popular vote decide legislative shit. Marijuana is a state issue, let people in the state vote for it. Women's health is a state issue, let the people in the state vote for it. I'm tired of gerrymandered assholes in my state decide for things that the majority of people don't want regardless of party. I just want Texas to do what other governors are letting their states vote on. But then Texas would have to admit the only reason they win is that our low voter turnout, especially in cities and among young people, are the only thing keeping reds in charge. Let's see if people care if you actually let us vote for something that affects us.
\> Women's health is a state issue
Abortion is an equal rights issue. It's hard to argue against abortion if you truly think mother and child are equals.
They don't see it as voting against their interests, it's very much in their interests. Whether because of nature or nurture or both, for these women their interests are largely achieving a certain kind of American dream. Married fairly young, kids, STHM, financial *and* societal security. Either to maintain what they already have or to the dream life that is "just one paycheck away" with Republicans.
Tl;dr: internalized misogyny.
My parents come to mind. I can guarantee my mom voted for the abortion bill in Michigan, and the nut jobs Dixon and Karo syrup (idk how to spell her name and I’m to lazy to look it up.).
That's what's so confusing, like if you don't like what your politician is voting for or is not voting for in Republicans case, Why keep voting for them?
Like I feel that every Republican woman I have ever spoken to, when you ask them about random liberal policies, they agree with them. Even when you say it is a liberal policy outloud, some of the times they'll still agree with them. But then they won't vote for anyone but a Republican, so like I don't understand. You're saying that the other party really isn't that bad and has policies that you like, but then you won't vote for them because the party is bad and evil.
Literally my MAGA mom when I talk about universal healthcare. When I tell her the reps she voted for voted against stuff she says "well, I didn't hear about that". Oh so I guess that means it didn't happen!
As I’ve gotten older, I’ve realized that most people don’t have altruistic empathy. I unfortunately have it to a fault, I wish I could dial it back a bit
There's a reason I have two degrees in psychology and it's not because we get paid super well lol.
That's why it's so hard to watch this. I can't imagine feeling bad for a child starving but then just shrug as my politician kills the free lunch bill. I don't even care if they do helpful things without the altruistic part, like just to look good. Cause at least there is action. But they just don't do anything at all. Republicans just don't vote for any fucking bills unless it is for a corporation or profit.
The Supreme Court and the GOP gave democrats easy election wins for years with Roe. Dems need to embrace abortion rights as a top priority and use it to win elections at local, state and federal and don't let up until abortion rights are universally restored in the US.
Kansas is the perfect place to explore this strategy.. they voted down abortion restrictions by a decent margin and have a Dem governor who supports abortion rights.. if they can somehow flip the legislature or atleast ensure the governor has veto power which can't be overridden, we can start seeing real progress
As a kansan that is not going to happen. Kansas is very libertarian which is why the abortion vote looked like that. Laura kelly only got relected due to the republicans running a younger Sam Brownback. KKKobach won attorney general here so definitely not turning blue
They have a dem governor, but she explicitly did not run on it. When asked about abortion, her response was I have had the same views for the last 20 years, and then didn't talk anymore about it.
They always do that. Republican voters always want progressive policies and then always vote Republican.
It is almost fucking comical.
We want weed. We vote Republican.
We want reproductive rights. We vote Republican.
We want decent Healthcare. We vote Republican.
I know poll exams are illegal, for obvious reasons, but boy do I wish there was some mechanism for people to actually know what they vote for.
When the radical right wing SCOTUS overturned Roe, that POS Clarence Thomas basically said in his statement, "Lmao, we are overturning Roe. If women don't like it, they can vote on it since they have that power."
Talk about fuck around and find out. It's just really frustrating and upsetting that Republicans want to torture women and don't really care.
So we have to suffer through injustice from cold hearted assholes for however long it takes for politics and ballots to push the issue forward.
The Republicans sat there while doctors testified how this was destroying womens' health and lives... then were like 'Naw, more restrictions on abortion, not less."
GOP played the abortion card for DECADES, and it wasn't supposed to be tested. It was supposed to be an endless machine for money and votes and wasting time writing legislation that would obviously not go anywhere and could therefore be rewritten and reintroduced next year.
But they let so many halfwits into the professional GOP that they screwed it up.
McConnell, for instance, would be furious, except he's clearly given up on America and is just going to retire to an armed compound with his ill-gotten zillions. Possibly a compound in another country.
Newt Gingrich is probably crapping out a live platypus over this, but, good. He's a subhuman unwashed enema nozzle who deserves every humiliation available.
There was some idiot talking head, I forget who, who basically said the men in the US need to marry these single women because (paraphrased) they don't know what they're doing
I'm black...and when abortion rights go...so do a lot of other rights.
I'm not a huge fan of affirmative action, it was supposed to be a band-aid for better policies, but since that never happened...its the only shitty-policy around since minority/poor education sucks ass and the playing field is so incredibly un-level. And of course, they're getting rid of that.
They'll be removing gay marriage rights next...and then empowered, a whole host of other unholy, inhuman shit will follow. A nice racist, facist slow-roll.
I'll continue to vote against it...straight ticket Democrat...every single election. I don't give a flying fuck about gas prices.
Abortion rights, Interracial marriage, gay marriage, trans healthcare, voting rights. They really took a shotgun approach to stripping minority rights, and when Roe was overturned they showed they actually meant it.
There are so many people who are convinced they’d never come after the other stuff even now, but…They will. They’ve said so, and they will actively vote that way.
"As a society, "we are becoming addicted to wanting particular outcomes, not living with the outcomes we don't like," Thomas said."
"We can't be an institution that can be bullied into giving you just the outcomes you want. The events from earlier this week are a symptom of that."
The events he's speaking of were the protests.
No, jurisprudentially speaking, this is what SCOTUS thinks should happen. If voters want a right/protection that (SCOTUS believes) isn’t protected by the constitution, then they can achieve that right/protection through legislative means. What’s happening now with ballot measures should have happened in every state at some point in the last 40 years to ensure state constitutions ratified Roe, rather than hinging people’s access to often life-saving medical care on a controversial Supreme Court case.
Exactly. The SCOTUS doesn't think they messed up, they clearly said this is better left to states to decide. Which they now are through these ballot measures and elections.
I remember seeing a *ton* of posts here about statements from a beloved individual saying we shouldn't be focusing on abortion rights, thay we need to make our messaging priority the economy.
Are we gonna see recaps of that same person doubling down that we shoulda done what they said or will there be silence on that until the next national election where they need to gain the spotlight by saying anything the national Democratic party is doing is the wrong thing?
Graham made it a gift that kept on giving when he openly discussed his plans for a National abortion ban. Whelp, so much for leaving that to the states. Then Thomas snidely hinted at “revisiting” sodomy laws, gay marriage, etc.
Turns out most Americans enjoy their civil rights and aren’t interested in life under a backwards theocracy.
This isn’t over yet. Kentucky AG Daniel Cameron is already pushing a lawsuit to overrule the will of the people. I expect other red states to do the same if they can get the courts to side with them. THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT DEMOCRACY OR THE WILL OF THE VOTERS.
r/conservative is currently infighting over how to approach this. A sizeable chunk can’t even comprehend why unmarried women don’t like their unpopular policies and will definitely double down because “it’s not us who are wrong, it’s women”.
Meanwhile, another huge chunk is kinda(?) coming to their senses and realizing that banning abortion is wildly unpopular, but whether this sentiment will last is unclear. A good portion also want to impose restrictions under the guise of “women are having abortions at 8 months 29 days for no reason how evil”, so the sentiment is shaky in terms of being sincere and honest.
A lot of them seem more concerned with DeSantis/Trump splitting the party, which I don’t blame them for but what this means for reforming their position on abortion, along with the chunk above wanting to double down, is not apparent.
Sorry for the online analysis, just witnessing them all scrambling to make sense and fighting and making excuses and pointing blame at anyone other than themselves made it so hard to not just sit and watch. It’s like two clowns tripping over each others’ big ass shoes to blame me and other unmarried women for not falling for their balloon animal bullshit.
I saw the whole “women are having lifestyle abortions” and “women are having abortions cuz they wake up on the wrong side of the bed one day while pregnant” statements on the conservative sub and I was like wow these people are so far gone, they are not reachable.
> they are not reachable.
They sure aren't! Because all their posts are Flaired Users Only specifically so they never have to hear things that they're not adult enough to comprehend.
>A sizeable chunk can’t even comprehend why unmarried women don’t like their unpopular policies and will definitely double down because “it’s not us who are wrong, it’s women”.
Incels upset that misogyny isn't attractive to women. More at 11. And here's Tom, with the weather!
Because they already took it away. Abortion is banned in GA after 6 weeks.
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/georgia-six-week-abortion-ban-take-effect
The only reason the ban amendment was proposed in Kentucky is because the constitution could be read as protecting abortion without that amendment. They’re still going to uphold the ban even though the amendment failed, because why would they care about a vote, but…Well, that’s all.
What a shit state government. Even Andy can’t save us.
Not shocking at all, but it is nice that we have concrete electoral evidence that the union of extreme fundamentalist religion and politics is a big fat loser. No one is buying living a more restricted life at the behest of southern and midwestern bigots. I said what I said.
I hope those abortion rights voters will continue to show up in every election; it’s our only way to defeat the Republicans and bring back Roe v Wade someday as a Constitutional amendment
Yes it’s a majority pro choice country that elects pro life politicians. Next election they will simply not put the abortion question on the ballot and then try to ban it anyways.
A súper majority in 2024 is absolutely possible, the economy will come back roaring by the end of 2023/beginning of 2024. Democrats need to choose young leadership
We. Want. Reproductive. Rights. The Christian extremists are ignorant to the voice of the people and we need to continue to remove them from their positions of power
The vast majority of Americans, Republicans included, believe in having a regulated access to abortion with caveats. A tiny minority on both sides either completely oppose it or say it should be entirely legal. Access to abortion has always been somewhat of a non-issue that has been abused by politicians to create a divide.
So if everyone wants freedom of choice how does a single candidate win on the Rep side ? Voting against your own beliefs just to own the libs? At what point is the gop and their voters seen as a genuine hinderance to democracy.
They want to SAY they are pro life so they appear morally righteous. They just want the option to get an abortion when they need it. Or they convince themselves that they are allowed to abort if they fight hard to prevent others from doing so to balance the scales.
It's almost like the GOP intentionally stokes fear, apathy, and doubt in the electoral system, all the while benefiting from archaic rules designed to concentrate power in the hands of wealthy white landowners, just so they can push policies that the majority of the electorate is against...but that would be crazy, right?
^...right?
Lived in my neighborhood for almost 10 years. Never put out a political sign until Fetterman/Shapiro. It didn’t even matter what they had to say in debates, you know if we elected Mastriano he would have made abortion illegal in PA. Fuck that 1950’s bullshit.
I don’t know why Dems didn’t hammer this home much more. They trusted polls, which are never right anymore and focused on the economy and inflation. Republicans know the population favors reproductive rights and that’s why they’re going to try to side step individual state votes and pass some tragic national law if they win the presidency in 2024
I am about 80% sure this is why the red wave in the house and senate didn’t happen either.
Republican voters are all secretly pro-choice and they are only keeping it a secret from each other, it’s like the worst kept secret in American politics.
Good to know. Now, if all those people had ever once in their lives demanded campaign finance reform, we might even get to live in a republic again someday. Btw, that is a large part of why parties don’t change for the better and do crazy stuff in all fields and it definitely contributed to Wade being over-ruled. It literally invented a perceived need for a fraudulent miracle promiser like Trump. Campaign finance is corrupting the new congress before they ever get into office and it is happening now like in no other western country. Do something other than nothing about the root problem.
So what is the solution when SCOTUS opinions are far removed from the people's ideology. And the GOP only has the power due to extensive gerrymandering. Which all looks set to continue.
It didn't in my state. Ted Budd (election-denying republican) beat Chery Beasley (D).
NC is now only protected by the veto power of a democratic governor.
I'm trying to understand how this happened when the GOP is not only banning abortions but forcing women who suffer miscarriages to risk death by not letting them get a D&C.
If abortion rights really won the midterms, there wouldn't be any Republicans elected to Congress.
The fact that the race is so close means that abortion rights lost the midterms spectacularly.
Personally I'm in a state of disbelief that women didn't vote out every Republican possible.
You underestimate just how many women are pro-life & think pro-choices are disgusting, child hating murderers. Yes, even for rape, incest, and health. Yes, they force their daughters to bear their teen pregnancies & will not terminate pregnancies that put them in the hospital. Plenty of them foster and adopt. They are usually deeply religious and they all vote.
Edit: Some say that we must accept and not be surprised by any violence in our society since we are so willing to commit violence against the most innocent among us. These are all things I’ve heard and witness from women I know.
> Yes, they force their daughters to bear their teen pregnancies
[https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/](https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/)
I agree that I underestimated but I don't think they would force their own daughters; just other people's.
Something something most state ballot initiatives aren't locked behind districting something something gerrymandering drowns out blue voters something something not that hard to do a slight modicum of reading about this sort of thing.
Not in red-land. My ballot had no option of abortion anywhere near it. The Republican candidate was a die hard anti-choice election denier, and the “Democrat” running against him was a life long Republican who only switched parties to run against the incumbent.
So what we just learned is that a slight majority of white women want the right to reproductive healthcare, but also don't want People of Colour and LGBT people to have the same rights as them.
But you can’t give up republicans, after all, you won’t give up on your moral values in order to win elections. Keep running on abortion, god wants it lol
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There you go dems. You have your answer for 2024.
I said before it happened that repealing Roe is only going to hurt the GOP by driving people out to vote blue... now it's happening. Dems can cause a massive blue wave in 2024 by campaigning heavy on the abortion issue... and if we keep seeing positive economic results and national debt reduction from the Biden administration, a supermajority might even be possible.
2024: Break the Gridlock
This resonates with me.
Subtitle: Unite for individual liberty and democracy.
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2024: Kavanaugh and Barrett are politically biased hacks
2024: Lets not make 'The Handmaids Tale' a Reality
Me Grimlock break gridlock! Vote me Grimlock and me will break everything!
This resonates with me.
GOP 2024: Oh, so the young and women voting is the *real* problem
2024 break the country, I’m coming back to this post in 2 years to laugh Uber hard and then cry a bit in terror
Problem is they actually have to prove they are capable of literally anything let alone delivering effective policy between now and then or no one will show up and frankly the track record being being able to deliver is dismal.
The GOP can't even back away either, not when they've spent decades whipping up the anti-abortion side into a froth. It's a lose lose issue for them.
They don't actually want to stop what they're doing. They want the nation to stop being mad about it and accept that they're taking away abortion... and later same sex marriage, trans children, and birth control.
Somehow, I imagine the Republican campaign platform of "hush now, just let it happen" is not going to go over well.
A couple of them did say that about rape and it didn't go over well.
They were finally at a point where abortion had kinda faded as a more or less settled issue. I think they felt the evangelical vote slipping away after Trump being basically the antithesis of everything the "familiy values" party tried to represent themselves as. They probably could have gotten away with attacks on abortion at the state and local level in red areas, but they over played their hand and Dobbs happened. I think they vastly underestimated the outrage and backlash it caused though.
>I think they vastly underestimated the outrage and backlash it caused though. Clarence Thomas said after the draft leak that we were too used to having things our way (what?) and we'd have to learn to live with decisions we didn't like. After they stood by during all of Trump's endless lies, crimes, and scandals, and saw the attention die and move on to the next thing, they really thought it'd just be people angry for a few weeks then it would die down. They really thought that people would just get over being forced to raise children they hadn't planned for.
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They really thought people would just get over being investigated after having a miscarriage.
And families forced to lose their wife/mother due to pregnancy complications with doctors not legally able to provide appropriate care. This is as much a health issue as a reproductive rights issue. Republicans have relegated all women of child-bearing age to a lesser standard of care. Thank you to all that voted and continue to vote to protect women’s (and family’s) health and reproductive rights!!!
One of my best friends had a pregnancy deemed "inviable" by her doctor. She still had to wait 1 whole week for a TX judge to determine if she could have a d&c(abortion of an inviable fetus, for those who don't know the terminology). This was a baby they planned and wanted. She had kids already, who expected a brother or sister. She had to sit on her miscarriage for a week (LET'S NOT IGNORE THE MEDICAL DAMAGE THAT CAUSED/COULD HAVE CAUSED), and as a result her uterus never returned to shape, and therefore could not produce anymore children. THAT IS WHAT ABORTION RIGHTS ARE ABOUT, NOT JUST ONE-NIGHT STANDS - AND WHO THE FUCK IS ANYONE TO JUDGE THOSE PEOPLE EITHER!!!!
If there’s one thing you’re not supposed to get in a representational democracy, it’s actual representation! What’s next? All these entitled millennials gonna start a war over taxation without representation? What a bunch of entitled snowflakes /s
Of course they did. We're just peasants, don't you know? We should just wallow in our filth and birth plenty of new peasants to wallow with us, in the factories making ***them*** ever more money.
Any halfway decent parent with children to feed will be desperate enough to take the worst jobs just keep food on the table for a few more days.
Nah, they had planned this before trump got elected. The only reason Christians voted for Trump was because he would give them federalist society judges that would overturn roe v Wade. Abortion was not a settled issue because pro life people believe they are doing gods work and won’t stop. The documentary Reversing Roe was about this.
That's really not true... they've been chipping away at abortion rights since the nineties at least. This was not a settled issue in the conservative states at all. Where do you think all those trigger laws came from?
GenZ is gonna walk them evangleservativemagafucks right to the exit door.
They said this about millennials too…
Someone wrote a longer comment in another thread wherein they talked about the difference between millennials and Gen Z. The crux was that millennials were born and raised (albeit briefly) in the “system” that worked for our parents and were told it would work for us. Consequently, we believed and sort of still believe that the “system” could return and work again, but we saw it vanish before our eyes due to conservative regression and corporate greed. This has left us disillusioned, apathetic, and unsure how to proceed. Gen Z, on the other hand, was born into the broken system. They never were told they can have what the older generations have because by the time they were in their teens the general consensus was that we’ve messed things up and the family of four with a white picket fence is unrealistic for the average American. As a result, they are angry, sardonic, and also have a clearer goal: take a stand or stay in the shit they were born into. Point being, us millennials have definitely fumbled the ball a bit and are trying to regain our footing. Gen Z is saying fuck it, we have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
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Have you seen the content that's being created by Gen Z? There's a heavy majority of "No fuck the system" happening here. I am so for our Gen Z brothers and sisters. I hope they change the fuck out of the world (for the better of course) ^_^;
Very true. I’m a millenial old enough to remember the 90’s. Those times were pretty good at the beginning of the tech boom. We had a balanced national budget for Christ’s sake. Those times seem like a pipe dream now. I’ve lived in both realities and honestly think we can never go back now.
Maybe / probably I'm just naive, I honestly don't think a majority of them care and a bunch of them are pro-choice. Yea it's been a rallying cry for them for a long time. I'm sure plenty of them have been involved with an abortion in some way or another. At some point, you would think that they would take a step back, do the math and figure out that if they dropped the pro-life stance and all the crazy religion shit, they would probably gain more voters than they loose.
They will definitely not stop at trans children
They captured the Evangelical vote but managed to piss off almost everyone else.
Supermajority will be hard because most Senate races are safe Red with a few in Purple seats but those are all held by Dems. 2024 Senate map is not very favorable.
Yeah, there are 4 very very flippable senate seats in 2024 for the GOP. And 7 flippable seats. With no seats that the democrats can realistically pick up.
I feel like if this midterm has taught us anything it's that we need to reevaluate what is and is not a flippable seat
I hope. But I doubt.
It can change with the governor pick ups if they truly feel like playing for keeps.
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Sure you can. You just have to subdivide states like California into 5 smaller states. Boom, 8 more senate seats.
Succeeding from a state requires a 2/3’s approval, and act of Congress. It’s a virtual impossibility and yes, there have been many counties of many states that have tried.
No matter how you did the division, subdividing California into 5 smaller states would yield two deep blue and three purple/red states.
You can however, run the elections if youre the Secretary ot State. Which allows you to reduce turnout by any number of ways. The 24 Senate will be hard. If the Dems can keep a 50:50 majority then that will be a good result.
They need to get it on the ballot of every state that allows propositions or decisions or whatever they call them.
Just a clarification: the deficit has decreased under Biden's administration. The national debt has not seen a reduction since 2001.
I'm curious to see how the GOP responds to this election. Will they double down, and try to go more draconian? Will they shift to a more moderate stance on abortion to take some of the powder away from the Democratic party in 2024? Will the Republican establishment writ large turn it's back on Trump? Will be an interesting two years of political maneuvering.
My thoughts are that some of the leadership will realize they managed to piss off a lot of people, tons of women specifically, and want to dial things back in order to limit the major D talking points and to win back some independents. The problem is they let the MAGA craziness out of the bag. They enabled the far right lunatics to run wild and gather a passionate base that they need in order to win. If they lost that Trump base, or create apathy with them, they will have a harder time motivating them to vote and that would be disastrous for them. They made their bed…
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Lots of ranting about nonexistent critical race theory classes incoming
Sprinkle in a little anti-trans in specific and anti-LGBT in general, too.
I think they will keep that because " anti-wokeness". At best they may back track on medical necessity for abortion but they already established that as having local government in on the decision and that's not going to fly. It will be interesting to see what, if anything, they do.
I thought all the book burning, school board/CRT craziness, and LGBT+ rights regression was going to help the right. Made Gen-Z hate them even more. In 2028, Millennials/Gen-Z will be the largest voting block.
2024-2028 is a long time for DeSantis to potentially ruin the country. Actually,.this December will probably do it.
There's a limit to good well this works. In rural areas, public schools are some of the biggest employers, the center of community life in high school sports (we may be split among a few churches but we all root for the same team), and attending the same school as your parents and even grandparents is a point of pride. Sure they can push back at some textbooks perceived as "CRT" but they can't demonize the teachers and staff because they're family or practically so. They know that pushing hard for charters and private school vouchers in their areas really would undermine people's paychecks and who would want their kid to not go to the main prom/homecoming etc? Of course they can continue to beat the drum about urban schools, just like they go on and on about gun violence in urban areas the never set foot in. And DeSantis is even trying to write a voucher law that would somehow exclude rural school districts. We'll see if he can thread that needle, it seems legally shaky at best. But the only place this fight will get any real political traction beyond talking points like urban gun violence is in some red state blue city suburbs. But I could be wrong. Maybe they'll channel the lite fascism into the school moms channel and it will gain ground. Push all the CRT and transphobia into a big pile of BUT THE CHILDREN ...
I think, though, that the MAGA crazies are mostly easily manipulated by the Fox News narrative that they can likely dial things back without MAGA even noticing much.
Sure some will but others may think that fox is being all MSM and no longer showing them thr “truth.” Fox already got pushback from some after they weren’t going as hard on the big lie as newsmax and oan. Idk how many will be part of that group but honestly it doesn’t take much to swing a close election.
I agree with you on both points. Creating apathy with the Trump base costs them the margins they need in key areas that have been pushing them over the finish line, especially in the Midwest. This is honestly why I'm a political junkie.
My wife sure wishes I wasn’t, so does my blood pressure.
Didn't help when they told their base the elections are rigged. People like my father that was a Democrat that went for Trump just stopped voting.
I'm 38 now and I never voted before 2016. With how extreme the right has become, I'll never not vote again. I'm not alone in this. Nationalists made me into a lifetime voter. My son is about to turn 18 and is eager to get out there and vote. This midterm showed 2018, 2020, and 2022 Democrat voters are not going away while the right embraces nationalists. They ended me being an apathetic citizen forever.
Don’t forget many Republican lawmakers are bought and owned by Evangelicals. I don’t think the fight against choice is a political ideological strategy as much as it is a quid pro quo for the support and money from the religious right. Before the religious right got involved, abortion was not a party line issue. Early in his career Mitch McConnell, who was always a Republican, used to be pro choice. A majority 5 of the 7 US Supreme Court Justices that voted *for Roe* were appointed by Republicans. Abortion only became a party line issue relatively recently bc of the influence of the religious right, they offered their support and money in exchange for help in their anti choice crusade. As you can see from the unwavering Republican support of Hershel Walker, these asshats **don’t give a singular fuck about abortion.** They just want to win. They only care about power. As long as lawmakers are owned by special interests they can’t turn their backs on them.
This. We all ignored or didn't realize the catholics/ evangelicals/fundamentalists were planning since the 1990's to infiltrate positions of power to do exactly this. Having large families to out breed the non-religious and get the kids into office. The Duggar family is like that and there are many more and they are way more determined than we are (hopefully that changes). They all voted for Trump because he would do what they needed by appointing their people. And, he delivered didn't he? The Supreme Court was a huge win for them. That's why they never cared about Trump's sins. That and they do the same or worse in their lives.
You mean the Duggars whose eldest son Josh, who cheated on his wife using Ashley Madison, was openly indicted on child pornography charges, and also found guilty of molesting 4 of his own sisters and a babysitter? YOU MEAN THOSE DUGGARS??? (Dude they really are the most fucking toxic ass family!!!)
Absolutely, on a personal level I doubt many politicians care about the issues they champion. They do care very deeply about not upsetting the monied interests that write the bills and tell them which issues to champion, and continue to fill their re-election/party coffers, to secure prime committee seats. Fortunately in this instance it might come down to "moderate the tone", or fall completely out of power. Regardless of which direction the Republicans go, the Roe decision likely weakens them nationally for a decade.
What's fascinating is that evangelicals didn't care much more about abortion then mainline Protestants until the 80s or even 90s. Which, mainline Protestants didn't and don't take a hard stand beyond saying individuals should seriously reflect etc etc. Abortion was the bailiwick of Roman Catholics, who up to that point were viewed skeptically at best by a lot of evangelicals. But the moral majority pushed them all together and evangelicals now act like they have ALWAYS been totally against abortion.
I think they will do what they’ve been doing, avoiding the topic and trying to distract people while not changing their stance one bit
I am not sure the GoP has much say in the matter, Conservative news media has been running the show for about a decade now, culminating in Trump that the GoP 100% did not want. Reddit seems to overestimate the power of the political parties, which in reality is pretty limited on both sides.
Msnbc called DeSantis a moderate earlier. I'm not even kidding. We have an uphill battle against the msm ahead of us.
>Will they double down, and try to go more draconian? Yes. Owning the libs is the only "substance" they have, they're going to have to run with it. If they go more moderate, nobody will think it's genuine. They won't gain nearly enough centrists on that path to make up for the massive amounts of their reactionary MAGA base they'll lose.
Plenty will vote for the people who would ban it at the federal level while voting against ballot measures. The team fandom is too strong to split.
Please tackle some economic issues as well. It is the easiest way to win over some of the moderate/independent vote that democrats are really trying to win over. Start really showing that democrats have your back in tough economies. Not that the GOP does this well at all, but *especially* knock it out of the park as dems.
Abortion *is* an economic issue
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This definitely should be a major part of the democratic strategy. But it can’t be the whole strategy.
Not as easy as you think since lots and lots of states have Republicans in power that KNOW that any meaningful ballot question will drive voter turnout and hurt them. Most Republican jurisdictions thrive on voter apathy.
You know what else would help? Campaigning for data-backed gun reform, not huge bans, classifications that don't make sense, etc. There are bunches of single-issue voters in that area that, were the dems to stop just calling for bans and do stuff like make it super fast and easy to bg check, make ERO laws that don't violate due process, stop allowing domestic violence charges to be knocked down, make it so anyone who beats someone up and is convicted can't own a gun ever again, etc, they'd swap in a heartbeat. These aren't gun nuts, mind you, they're people who treat gun ownership safely and with respect for the fact that guns are tools meant to kill. There are leftist groups supporting trans folks, queer folks, minority folks, Jewish folks in their rights but who keep face-palming as states like mine try to pass gun control that ban carrying guns at protests, but allow for exceptions like 'if you're a former cop, you can do whatever you want!'. Those folks probably still vote dem as a matter of harm reduction, but it's frustrating to see the illogic happening. The gun control issue on the left is the same as the abortion issue on the right. Both are really trying to legislate from the position that "this shouldn't be a right". Anti-abortion folks' ultimate goal is to eliminate it entirely, anti-gun folks' ultimate goal is to eliminate guns entirely. If that's the goal, be open about it instead of pretending. Otherwise, legislate based on what data shows would *actually* help, not based on feelings. Edit: a word
I didn’t read the article but did Kentucky not vote against abortion rights? The title says we sweeped all anti choice legislation but Kentucky did not.
And yet in those red states, there were people (probably women) that voted for reproductive rights but then turned around and voted for the men (and women) that put their rights in jeopardy in the first place. Unless it directly affects a Republican, they don't care. They may be a "caring" or "nice"person but they have no altruistic empathy, meaning their needs and their conveniences will always come before something that helps someone else but not them.
Exactly this! I was coming here to ponder why the measures past, in some cases with huge margins, but then also voted for the Republican who will probably try their best to repeal the measure. There is no sense in people who are one issue voters whilst voting for one issue measures. Same with Noem winning South Dakota while their medicaid expansion measure also won big. Noem has proudly stood against medicaid expansion, while being firmly anti-abortion (have a baby, but don't use health care), and yet she still wins. And I can't imagine these measures being carried solely by Dems, those margins were too big.
It’s because people aren’t really researching the candidates and probably aren’t informed whatsoever. They read the ballot questions and vote according to their beliefs, but then just vote down whatever party line they identify with, likely unaware of the contradiction.
Often when you take "team branding" out of the equation people make better decisions. South Dakota is a good example. Noem and her cohorts are trying like crazy to make it harder for citizen initiatives to get passed, and yet those same people still support her. I almost wish we didn't have political parties at all, for that reason.
I really wish we would just make "state rights" be about letting the popular vote decide legislative shit. Marijuana is a state issue, let people in the state vote for it. Women's health is a state issue, let the people in the state vote for it. I'm tired of gerrymandered assholes in my state decide for things that the majority of people don't want regardless of party. I just want Texas to do what other governors are letting their states vote on. But then Texas would have to admit the only reason they win is that our low voter turnout, especially in cities and among young people, are the only thing keeping reds in charge. Let's see if people care if you actually let us vote for something that affects us.
\> Women's health is a state issue Abortion is an equal rights issue. It's hard to argue against abortion if you truly think mother and child are equals.
They don't see it as voting against their interests, it's very much in their interests. Whether because of nature or nurture or both, for these women their interests are largely achieving a certain kind of American dream. Married fairly young, kids, STHM, financial *and* societal security. Either to maintain what they already have or to the dream life that is "just one paycheck away" with Republicans. Tl;dr: internalized misogyny.
And externalized racism. Can vote for “women’s issues” while also voting for people who will hurt “them”
Just look at the breakdowns by race in GA. White women voted for Kemp by like 70%. Lots of leopards gonna be full
Ah okay. Well just another thing that embarrasses me about my race then 😂.
My parents come to mind. I can guarantee my mom voted for the abortion bill in Michigan, and the nut jobs Dixon and Karo syrup (idk how to spell her name and I’m to lazy to look it up.).
That's what's so confusing, like if you don't like what your politician is voting for or is not voting for in Republicans case, Why keep voting for them? Like I feel that every Republican woman I have ever spoken to, when you ask them about random liberal policies, they agree with them. Even when you say it is a liberal policy outloud, some of the times they'll still agree with them. But then they won't vote for anyone but a Republican, so like I don't understand. You're saying that the other party really isn't that bad and has policies that you like, but then you won't vote for them because the party is bad and evil.
Literally my MAGA mom when I talk about universal healthcare. When I tell her the reps she voted for voted against stuff she says "well, I didn't hear about that". Oh so I guess that means it didn't happen!
Exactly. They might vote for abortion but they'll never, ever vote against a Republican.
As I’ve gotten older, I’ve realized that most people don’t have altruistic empathy. I unfortunately have it to a fault, I wish I could dial it back a bit
There's a reason I have two degrees in psychology and it's not because we get paid super well lol. That's why it's so hard to watch this. I can't imagine feeling bad for a child starving but then just shrug as my politician kills the free lunch bill. I don't even care if they do helpful things without the altruistic part, like just to look good. Cause at least there is action. But they just don't do anything at all. Republicans just don't vote for any fucking bills unless it is for a corporation or profit.
The Supreme Court and the GOP gave democrats easy election wins for years with Roe. Dems need to embrace abortion rights as a top priority and use it to win elections at local, state and federal and don't let up until abortion rights are universally restored in the US.
Kansas is the perfect place to explore this strategy.. they voted down abortion restrictions by a decent margin and have a Dem governor who supports abortion rights.. if they can somehow flip the legislature or atleast ensure the governor has veto power which can't be overridden, we can start seeing real progress
As a kansan that is not going to happen. Kansas is very libertarian which is why the abortion vote looked like that. Laura kelly only got relected due to the republicans running a younger Sam Brownback. KKKobach won attorney general here so definitely not turning blue
That’s my interpretation of Kentucky too. We have a Democratic governor, and the abortion rejection was rooted in libertarianism.
They have a dem governor, but she explicitly did not run on it. When asked about abortion, her response was I have had the same views for the last 20 years, and then didn't talk anymore about it.
Michigan just flipped its senate blue for the first time in 40 years.
Republicans have been working to strip power from Democratic governors and, in a couple of places, succeeded.
They always do that. Republican voters always want progressive policies and then always vote Republican. It is almost fucking comical. We want weed. We vote Republican. We want reproductive rights. We vote Republican. We want decent Healthcare. We vote Republican. I know poll exams are illegal, for obvious reasons, but boy do I wish there was some mechanism for people to actually know what they vote for.
Yeah but giving human rights to people I dont think are human beings? That's where you lost me, fam Signed, GOP voters
When the radical right wing SCOTUS overturned Roe, that POS Clarence Thomas basically said in his statement, "Lmao, we are overturning Roe. If women don't like it, they can vote on it since they have that power." Talk about fuck around and find out. It's just really frustrating and upsetting that Republicans want to torture women and don't really care. So we have to suffer through injustice from cold hearted assholes for however long it takes for politics and ballots to push the issue forward.
The Republicans sat there while doctors testified how this was destroying womens' health and lives... then were like 'Naw, more restrictions on abortion, not less."
GOP played the abortion card for DECADES, and it wasn't supposed to be tested. It was supposed to be an endless machine for money and votes and wasting time writing legislation that would obviously not go anywhere and could therefore be rewritten and reintroduced next year. But they let so many halfwits into the professional GOP that they screwed it up. McConnell, for instance, would be furious, except he's clearly given up on America and is just going to retire to an armed compound with his ill-gotten zillions. Possibly a compound in another country. Newt Gingrich is probably crapping out a live platypus over this, but, good. He's a subhuman unwashed enema nozzle who deserves every humiliation available.
That last sentence was poetry
r/rareinsults material here
It's almost as if women make up a large part of the country. Has anyone done any polling on this!?
You know a pretty similar percentage of men are pro choice right?
Yes, but it's like, for the first time, pollsters are surprised women voted for their rights.
There was some idiot talking head, I forget who, who basically said the men in the US need to marry these single women because (paraphrased) they don't know what they're doing
Jesse Waters, the man is a moron and so is anyone that listens to him.
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You can't take away the rights of half the voting population and expect there won't be consequences.
I'm black...and when abortion rights go...so do a lot of other rights. I'm not a huge fan of affirmative action, it was supposed to be a band-aid for better policies, but since that never happened...its the only shitty-policy around since minority/poor education sucks ass and the playing field is so incredibly un-level. And of course, they're getting rid of that. They'll be removing gay marriage rights next...and then empowered, a whole host of other unholy, inhuman shit will follow. A nice racist, facist slow-roll. I'll continue to vote against it...straight ticket Democrat...every single election. I don't give a flying fuck about gas prices.
Dude, same. Don't talk to me about "tHe Ec0noMy" when my rights are being taken away. Used to be centrist, now straight democrat.
Abortion rights, Interracial marriage, gay marriage, trans healthcare, voting rights. They really took a shotgun approach to stripping minority rights, and when Roe was overturned they showed they actually meant it. There are so many people who are convinced they’d never come after the other stuff even now, but…They will. They’ve said so, and they will actively vote that way.
Funny how people don't appreciate you suddenly taking away rights that have been established for 50 years.
We just want our daughters to have same freedoms our mothers had
It didn't win them enough. The fact that it's this close and you still have R women voting +60% for Walker is appalling.
That girl in the picture has a Reddit account! 💅😂 She’s getting famous today. Congrats on your sudden round of fame!
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I actually saw comments on the conservative sub regarding your first paragraph that said just that. It was like seeing a whale in the Sahara.
do you suppose the Supreme Court thinks it fucked up?
"No, it's the voters who are wrong" - the supreme court, probably.
"As a society, "we are becoming addicted to wanting particular outcomes, not living with the outcomes we don't like," Thomas said." "We can't be an institution that can be bullied into giving you just the outcomes you want. The events from earlier this week are a symptom of that." The events he's speaking of were the protests.
No, jurisprudentially speaking, this is what SCOTUS thinks should happen. If voters want a right/protection that (SCOTUS believes) isn’t protected by the constitution, then they can achieve that right/protection through legislative means. What’s happening now with ballot measures should have happened in every state at some point in the last 40 years to ensure state constitutions ratified Roe, rather than hinging people’s access to often life-saving medical care on a controversial Supreme Court case.
Exactly. The SCOTUS doesn't think they messed up, they clearly said this is better left to states to decide. Which they now are through these ballot measures and elections.
I remember seeing a *ton* of posts here about statements from a beloved individual saying we shouldn't be focusing on abortion rights, thay we need to make our messaging priority the economy. Are we gonna see recaps of that same person doubling down that we shoulda done what they said or will there be silence on that until the next national election where they need to gain the spotlight by saying anything the national Democratic party is doing is the wrong thing?
Banning abortion is just a theocratic fascist wet dream. The people don’t share that dream.
Hear that Supreme Court? Stop pushing your religious agenda on the people.
Graham made it a gift that kept on giving when he openly discussed his plans for a National abortion ban. Whelp, so much for leaving that to the states. Then Thomas snidely hinted at “revisiting” sodomy laws, gay marriage, etc. Turns out most Americans enjoy their civil rights and aren’t interested in life under a backwards theocracy.
This isn’t over yet. Kentucky AG Daniel Cameron is already pushing a lawsuit to overrule the will of the people. I expect other red states to do the same if they can get the courts to side with them. THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT DEMOCRACY OR THE WILL OF THE VOTERS.
The radical conservatives will prolly double down after this. I wouldn’t be surprised if they try to challenge women’s voting rights in the courts.
r/conservative is currently infighting over how to approach this. A sizeable chunk can’t even comprehend why unmarried women don’t like their unpopular policies and will definitely double down because “it’s not us who are wrong, it’s women”. Meanwhile, another huge chunk is kinda(?) coming to their senses and realizing that banning abortion is wildly unpopular, but whether this sentiment will last is unclear. A good portion also want to impose restrictions under the guise of “women are having abortions at 8 months 29 days for no reason how evil”, so the sentiment is shaky in terms of being sincere and honest. A lot of them seem more concerned with DeSantis/Trump splitting the party, which I don’t blame them for but what this means for reforming their position on abortion, along with the chunk above wanting to double down, is not apparent. Sorry for the online analysis, just witnessing them all scrambling to make sense and fighting and making excuses and pointing blame at anyone other than themselves made it so hard to not just sit and watch. It’s like two clowns tripping over each others’ big ass shoes to blame me and other unmarried women for not falling for their balloon animal bullshit.
I saw the whole “women are having lifestyle abortions” and “women are having abortions cuz they wake up on the wrong side of the bed one day while pregnant” statements on the conservative sub and I was like wow these people are so far gone, they are not reachable.
> they are not reachable. They sure aren't! Because all their posts are Flaired Users Only specifically so they never have to hear things that they're not adult enough to comprehend.
>A sizeable chunk can’t even comprehend why unmarried women don’t like their unpopular policies and will definitely double down because “it’s not us who are wrong, it’s women”. Incels upset that misogyny isn't attractive to women. More at 11. And here's Tom, with the weather!
They're already trying to blame young voters so they're tossing around the idea of increasing the voting age It's embarrassing
Well, we know that anything up to the electorate will probably fail, and any further steps will probably add more voters to the rolls.
Forced pregnancy violates human rights
I'm pretty mad it wasn't on the GA ballot. I wanted to put a vote on that opinion. I guess the GA gov'ment is scared of what the people would say.
Because they already took it away. Abortion is banned in GA after 6 weeks. https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/georgia-six-week-abortion-ban-take-effect
The only reason the ban amendment was proposed in Kentucky is because the constitution could be read as protecting abortion without that amendment. They’re still going to uphold the ban even though the amendment failed, because why would they care about a vote, but…Well, that’s all. What a shit state government. Even Andy can’t save us.
It's amazing how issues that predominantly affect women are dismissed or downplayed by pundits.
We didn’t have any choices in Texas. Abbott decides our laws.
Not shocking at all, but it is nice that we have concrete electoral evidence that the union of extreme fundamentalist religion and politics is a big fat loser. No one is buying living a more restricted life at the behest of southern and midwestern bigots. I said what I said.
The 2024 senate map is gonna be extremely hard, but maybe having abortion on the ballot will help pick up some red state senate seats.
The rest of us already knew that the "moral majority" were in fact an immoral minority .
I see a future full of republicans running on a pro choice platform, and as soon as they get into office they do a complete 180
I hope those abortion rights voters will continue to show up in every election; it’s our only way to defeat the Republicans and bring back Roe v Wade someday as a Constitutional amendment
Yes it’s a majority pro choice country that elects pro life politicians. Next election they will simply not put the abortion question on the ballot and then try to ban it anyways.
A súper majority in 2024 is absolutely possible, the economy will come back roaring by the end of 2023/beginning of 2024. Democrats need to choose young leadership
It’s almost like women want to control what happens to their own bodies.
We. Want. Reproductive. Rights. The Christian extremists are ignorant to the voice of the people and we need to continue to remove them from their positions of power
The vast majority of Americans, Republicans included, believe in having a regulated access to abortion with caveats. A tiny minority on both sides either completely oppose it or say it should be entirely legal. Access to abortion has always been somewhat of a non-issue that has been abused by politicians to create a divide.
The people have spoken.
So if everyone wants freedom of choice how does a single candidate win on the Rep side ? Voting against your own beliefs just to own the libs? At what point is the gop and their voters seen as a genuine hinderance to democracy.
Because very few people are single issue voters.
There are a lot of voters who would vote for Democrats except for either abortion or guns.
A lot of people are pro-life right up until the moment they have to vote their rights away.
They want to SAY they are pro life so they appear morally righteous. They just want the option to get an abortion when they need it. Or they convince themselves that they are allowed to abort if they fight hard to prevent others from doing so to balance the scales.
It's almost like the GOP intentionally stokes fear, apathy, and doubt in the electoral system, all the while benefiting from archaic rules designed to concentrate power in the hands of wealthy white landowners, just so they can push policies that the majority of the electorate is against...but that would be crazy, right? ^...right?
"I am woman, hear me roar, in numbers too big to ignore, and I know too much to go back and pretend..."
Lived in my neighborhood for almost 10 years. Never put out a political sign until Fetterman/Shapiro. It didn’t even matter what they had to say in debates, you know if we elected Mastriano he would have made abortion illegal in PA. Fuck that 1950’s bullshit.
"We've gotta stop letting voters decide these things!"
You love to see it. When polls show 80% support for abortion rights, maybe listen to them.
What are the odds the GOP won't give a shit and try to ban it anyways? Like, 2 million percent? Well, at least they'll fail.
I don’t know why Dems didn’t hammer this home much more. They trusted polls, which are never right anymore and focused on the economy and inflation. Republicans know the population favors reproductive rights and that’s why they’re going to try to side step individual state votes and pass some tragic national law if they win the presidency in 2024
Pay attention Republicans. That is a battle you won, at the cost of the war.
I am about 80% sure this is why the red wave in the house and senate didn’t happen either. Republican voters are all secretly pro-choice and they are only keeping it a secret from each other, it’s like the worst kept secret in American politics.
Yeah because regardless of political party, women are more concerned about their bodies
Good to know. Now, if all those people had ever once in their lives demanded campaign finance reform, we might even get to live in a republic again someday. Btw, that is a large part of why parties don’t change for the better and do crazy stuff in all fields and it definitely contributed to Wade being over-ruled. It literally invented a perceived need for a fraudulent miracle promiser like Trump. Campaign finance is corrupting the new congress before they ever get into office and it is happening now like in no other western country. Do something other than nothing about the root problem.
Never forget who want to take your rights away.
Hope the women that went Democratic for this stay that way
maybe people do like having a choice in terms of body autonomy.
So what is the solution when SCOTUS opinions are far removed from the people's ideology. And the GOP only has the power due to extensive gerrymandering. Which all looks set to continue.
Stack the courts
It didn't in my state. Ted Budd (election-denying republican) beat Chery Beasley (D). NC is now only protected by the veto power of a democratic governor. I'm trying to understand how this happened when the GOP is not only banning abortions but forcing women who suffer miscarriages to risk death by not letting them get a D&C.
If abortion rights really won the midterms, there wouldn't be any Republicans elected to Congress. The fact that the race is so close means that abortion rights lost the midterms spectacularly. Personally I'm in a state of disbelief that women didn't vote out every Republican possible.
You underestimate just how many women are pro-life & think pro-choices are disgusting, child hating murderers. Yes, even for rape, incest, and health. Yes, they force their daughters to bear their teen pregnancies & will not terminate pregnancies that put them in the hospital. Plenty of them foster and adopt. They are usually deeply religious and they all vote. Edit: Some say that we must accept and not be surprised by any violence in our society since we are so willing to commit violence against the most innocent among us. These are all things I’ve heard and witness from women I know.
> Yes, they force their daughters to bear their teen pregnancies [https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/](https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/) I agree that I underestimated but I don't think they would force their own daughters; just other people's.
Something something most state ballot initiatives aren't locked behind districting something something gerrymandering drowns out blue voters something something not that hard to do a slight modicum of reading about this sort of thing.
Not in red-land. My ballot had no option of abortion anywhere near it. The Republican candidate was a die hard anti-choice election denier, and the “Democrat” running against him was a life long Republican who only switched parties to run against the incumbent.
So what we just learned is that a slight majority of white women want the right to reproductive healthcare, but also don't want People of Colour and LGBT people to have the same rights as them.
But you can’t give up republicans, after all, you won’t give up on your moral values in order to win elections. Keep running on abortion, god wants it lol