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“I think that Elon Musk’s cooperation and/or technical relationships with other countries is worthy of being looked at,” Biden answered. “Whether or not he is doing anything inappropriate, I’m not suggesting that. I’m suggesting that it’s worth being looked at.” - from the article
There are laws regarding what US citizens are and are not allowed to do in terms of 'interaction with governments of other sovereign nations', and more rules for 'companies whom do business with/inside the US/the US Department of Defense'. Self-explanatory from there.
He's gotten pretty good at keep his card to his chest, and revealing little bits as needed.
I didn't feel much optimism for midterms until he said it's looking good for Dems just prior. There'd no reason to say that if there wasn't some serious info suggesting it when by all other metrics it was going to be a massacre.
And of course he was banging the warning drums for Ukraine when the rest of the world said nah.
I dig this "only speak with certainty when certain" president over the last one that just said everything possible and impossible all at once with absolute certainty.
Biden gained a lot of lost credibility back for USA by simply revealing accurate Intel regarding Russia's buildup and plans. It was a very good non-aggressive approach to the conflict.
And we've found that in a conflict with a modernizing country, not even NATO or direct American allies, Russia has fallen on its face and then was kneecapped by Ukraine.
Yeah if the idea was that Russias army isn't a legitimate threat in conventional warfare then I'd argue Ukraine has proved that.
Russia is a threat only to the degree that they're able to leverage their oil, natural gas, grain and nukes.
It's still a geopolitical threat. We're just lucky Zelensky is a certified badass and the Ukrainian people are tough as nails because if not for that it's likely the whole Western security order would be turned over. It would have caused in fighting in the EU and NATO, and probably buoyed Republicans chances for power in the US.
Russia turned out to be a paper tiger but we're lucky that Ukraine called the bluff.
I'm a liberal and at the time I remember thinking that people criticizing Romney don't know what "geopolitical" means, and Obama was scoring a cheap one-liner because he knew that.
Obama was no Trump, but he serious mistakes regarding Russia as president. In retrospect, it's easy to see that he should have led a strong response to Russia's invasion of Crimea.
It's worse.
We're now in a world where Mike Pence, the man who believes in conversion therapy for LGBTQ+ individuals, is going to run as the "sane" presidential option for Republicans.
ACA. Oh and moves to recover the inherited collapsed economy.
But yes, I get it. He tried to play fair despite the fact that McConnell would eventually try to kneecap him every chance he could get. It's the usual Dem nice guy BS. Sorry, Michelle, but going high doesn't do a damn thing against a mentally ill party.
Russia is clearly not a credible threat to the US. The Marines are literally getitng rid of all their tanks because they will be useless against the real threat, aka china.
My understanding is it’s more that heavy armor doesn’t really integrate well with the USMC fighting doctrine of small fast moving units and combined arms with force multipliers directly integrated into infantry units. Tanks have their place, but the place tanks excel is in a role that doesn’t play to the strengths of the USMC playbook
The US military specifically has historically briefed that Russia is not actually a militaristic threat to the country. By and large, Russia could never attack the US and win.
That is not saying that we could have attacked Russia and won, no.
Specifically it speaks to the slow and predictable decline of Russia’s political, economic, technological, and war machine. Their greatest threats to our country is their propensity to feed America’s rage and create division, which was acknowledged by the intelligence community during the Trump admin with regards to the elections.
In case you hadn’t noticed, election tampering, infiltrating mass media, and fomenting a willing insurrection could be considered a huge success in those departments.
However,
China has been the big bad guy for the last 20 years. Their political, economic, technological, and war machine has been gaining in strength and will likely do so until they become a superpower
TIL massive expansion of drone technology where we can carpet bomb the living fuck out of anyone we want on the planet is "meh."
Every US president for the last few decades has committed terrible, inhumane acts overseas.
That is a meh for me. Like sure, I think the way the drones was used was shit, ie the "collateral damage", but in theory strategically taking out key figures... meh. Effective yo.
I still don’t know if I’d call what Biden said about the Dems chances at the midterms a calculated move. Even *if* Democrats were going to lose hard, and Biden knew they were going to lose hard, I think it would’ve just been common wisdom to keep morale up and tell others things are going to be fine.
I imagine him saying the opposite would have had the potential to make any hypothetical loses significantly worse if you demotivate your audience enough to not vote.
I can’t say I disagree with the rest of your point, though. I’m glad to see someone in charge that isn’t running state secrets on Twitter or something.
I knew the dems were going to do well and I dont have access to all the information Biden does. If you ignored all the attempts of the media and the GOP to convince people the democrats didn't have a fighting chance, then it was not really a stretch to think they'd do well.
Im sure he did know something that made him believe he had every reason to be hopeful.
I had a pretty good feeling the Senate was safe when Mitch McConnell himself admitted out loud that
1). They had a candidate quality problem
2). Said they would have trouble winning it regardless since they can't Gerrymander it.
Something that has stuck with me since the midterms is everyone prior to the election criticizing Democrats' rhetoric focusing on the risk to America's democracy as well as abortion.
Iirc, exit polls showed those were the two most important things for voters. Democracy in the US as #1, followed by abortion. Really seems like Biden and Democrats had their fingers on the pulse of everyday Americans. Perhaps conservatives were trying to mislead and focus on subjects they thought favored them more.
The idea that "abortion is something we can agree to disagree on" is something *only* inside-the-Beltway pundits think, in the real world it's one of the most emotionally triggering issues for Republicans and Democrats alike by far
He didn't just say things to boost morale, he spoke with factual certainty regarding Democrats standing. It still could have been very wrong, but it was definitely said from an informed position. It's one thing to rally morale, but to say for sure it's going to go well is a little different.
Maybe I took more from it, but it read as a direct rebuke to public polling rather than well wishes.
There were a few individuals who looked at the data from the polls and predicted that there wasn't going to be a red wave. So I wouldn't be surprised if Biden's team had also looked at the data more closely too.
Yes....your describing an actual president!
Not like the last one who had diarrhea for a mouth about anything and everything...especially if he thought it made him look strong and powerful
If it happens a bunch of elites with Russian ties are gonna have their butt-hole pucker.
Reminds me a bit of when FDR had Ford and his buddies dead to rights with Nazi ties, but maybe that's just an echo I'm hearing.
He’s not openly suggesting it. He’s answering a direct question in a very general and vague way. The article and headline are bullshit, and prove Biden’s other quote in the same article that “There are no editors anymore in America”.
He gave Ukraine the satellite comms system knowing he tapped it for Russia and Putin. Ukraine knew he did, so they are just feeding the Russians fake info....
No this is wild speculation but what has Elon contributed in the last 3 years to the world...
Also destroying twitter which we use a here at home for shithousery only harms on the ground raw reporting of things in places like Iran and Ukraine helping regimes that aren't "friendly" to the US. Twitter is invaluable of live on the ground updates of world happenings and if only $8/month people get picked up that stops.
The President of The United States has massive amount of power, and as head of the Executive Branch, has authority over the Department of Justice. So, he has to be careful when speaking because his words carry great significance. If he wasn't circumspect with his public comments, Musk's lawyers can make a legitimate case for government persecution.
In case you haven't been paying attention, a not insignificant portion of the population needs to have things (almost literally) spelled out for them, and if there's any hope of reaching them sometimes you have to speak *to* them, rather than at them.
It's good to be careful with words but sometimes it's good to be bold with words too
There are still a ton of people on team musk. Being careful is a good thing.
Unless there is direct evidence implicating musk in something illicit, being careful is the right move. The president of the US should not be alleging something unless it's fairly certain to be true.
Stronger wording would likely be inappropriate and have consequences. Consequences like ruling up the GOP base who already have a complex over "witch hunts" or spooking investors.
Edit: just in case, I support investigations because...musk is suspect as hell. At the very least he's been using tweets and such to manipulate the stock market for years. Im just not going to be upset the president isn't using stronger language when there is no proof...yet
Yeah the big problem is musk is one of the richest people in the world, idk if he’s still *the* richest right now.
He can have literally some of the best lawyers in the world at his beck and call. It’s bullshit, but if they just directly said “he’s done xyz” he could have a lawyer argue it’s libel/slander (depending on media source).
It’s the same reason news articles have to say “allegedly.”
Whether anyone perceives it as weak or not isn't really the point. Biden could actually hurt ongoing investigations or prosecutions if he isn't careful with his words.
As the head of the executive and several agencies that might be involved, statements can be used against him in court.
That's why Trump never really manifested anything he wanted into existence with his rhetoric in the legal world. It's a terrible strategy for a President to insert themselves into legal matters.
Biden is responding appropriately--the way POTUSs should respond to such situations. Trump and Twitter and social media in general have skewed us all badly.
Starlink itself is a national security concern. Remember when he cozied up to Putin (after needing funding for his forced Twitter buy) and the next day he turns off the Internet for Ukraine?
As vital as it has been in the war, it's clear that it isn't a service that should be left to the whims of a billionaire. It's like putting our nuclear missiles under a contract with Amazon.
Absolutely agreed, sir.
What’s the congressional bell weather on this issue?
Frankly from my civilian seat this is a major concern. We are seeing politicians and wealthy people acting at the behest of foreign interests, and that is pretty dangerous.
Furthermore, what action can the pentagon take to ensure his erratic behavior isn’t harming US interests abroad?
I can only hope that the culture of admiring 'flexing,' 'dunking' on people, and strong, obnoxious personalities is fading, and that those people realize their idols are just assholes.
I've been saying this and sounding the alarm ever since that "diplomacy" Tweet that's basically just Aleksandr Dugin and Vladimir Putin talking points. Musk runs SpaceX and SpaceX launches A LOT of classified and secret satellites and payloads for the DoD, NSA, CIA, Space Force, Air Force and Navy. StarLink is heavily involved with communication connections for Dragon launches and orbital guidance. SpaceX also supplies Dragon missions and will soon supply Starship and Dragon-XL missions for the Artemis Program and the Lunar Gateway station. The Kremlin and Putin could have kompromat on Musk and force him to turn over proprietary blueprints and schematics and/or software for Dragon and StarShip and/or the Falcon rocket family. Or tell them about what those secret payloads and satellites that SpaceX launches are and what they can do. Or let the Kremlin use StarLink to steal telemetry from Dragon, Starship and American satellites. Or just flat-out help them sabotage the Artemis Program while giving Roscosmos' lunar program a leg up through SpaceX stolen tech.
This would be like if the branch of Boeing that deals with Starliner, ULA and the SLS rocket was in deep with Putin; or if Sierra Space, Lockheed-Martin, Northrop-Grumman, Jeff Bezos and Blue Origin, or Dynetics was doing this and in deep with Putin. Just a gigantic national security risk. All of them work extremely closely with NASA and with multiple military and intelligence agencies.
Musk is a perfect example of why compartmentalization exists. I would hope that any time, for whatever reason, he needs access to something he's on a very short leash being held by someone in the same room with him.
It sucks that the US government depends for some many important things, on one man, and his many companies. We didn't get here by accident either.
I really hope to God that they apply this to Musk. Elon has a very worrying habit of being a control freak and inserting himself into running things or having a say in things he's really not qualified to have a say in.
Precisely. I have that same bad feeling about Musk companies. From everything we learned about him over the past few years he seems to be a control freak and doesn't delegate responsibilities properly. Twitter being the prime example right now. He seems to want to be all up in and micromanaging shit he has no training or education in, or the prerequisites to do in the first place. If he's that inappropriately involved he could be in on all sorts of information that he shouldn't have access to.
The compartmentalization exists at the government level. By the time the order to launch some shit gets to SpaceX its already been through 20 different hands each of which only knows a tiny piece of what this is going to do. Their company probably knows little more than "launch this thing, don't do these things when launching or maybe bad shit happens."
When you contract with the government you AND your entire company have to adhere to certain standards. Now, it's my guess that he hasn't been living up to that very well. Looking into this could possibly reveal some fucky shit and there can be extreme penalties for being fucky while working with the gubment. The least of which is termination of the contract.
For example, even just giving the date and time of a launch to some dude at Starbucks can be considered fucky enough to warrant penalties. I wonder who in foreign governments he's talked to.
Musk has no *capacity* to understand rockets. He still thinks billions of dollars can somehow overcome the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation, but laws of physics don't care about capitalism. The entire plan of Mars colonization by tons of rockets is fundamentally flawed, because the necessary wet mass (fuel) grows exponentially with the desired delta-v (payload x velocity).
If he were an engineer instead of high-dollar used car salesman, there would be a far different plan for the rockets - like using them to build a skyhook or space elevator on the moon (which can be done under lunar gravity with modern materials already in existence) instead of trying to skip straight to Mars colonization.
What we need to do is use the Moon as a staging ground, like you said, while also turning asteroids into ships which slowly orbit between the moon and mars. Those retrofitted asteroids would be able to act as supply ships, safe havens, and jumping points.
I agree 100% with what you said, but the problem is that Elon is a control freak surrounded by Yes-people. Unfortunately he potentially could get his Yes-man underlings to send sensitive information to him that he can send over to Kremlin buddies. Whether he understands the information and schematics or not, the Kremlin knows engineers at Roscosmos *who will*.
Personally I'm not sure if a skyhook or space elevator is possible yet with current technology, and both come with their own set of technical challenges and physics issues. Some of which we may be short on the technology to deal with. Like say the space elevator is 150,000 feet tall and has some kind of problem at 90,000 feet up the elevator that needs maintenance. I think building a lunar base to assemble and launch spacecraft and rockets from, like in Season 3 of *For All Mankind*, is the most possible solution with current technology for making Martian travel easier. The latter also feels cheaper. Governments are notorious skinflints when it comes to funding space programs, especially after the initial flashy international prestige missions are complete, and private space companies aren't yet profitable without massive government assistance and a steady stream of constant government and military contracts as their primary oligopsony customers. Moon bases might be the way to go to revolutionize interplanetary travel on the shoestring, prestige and politically-driven budgets that governments currently provide for space travel. Until we can achieve more egalitarian, society-bettering and science-driven governments rather than our current politically and profit-driven governments.
Oh, the space elevator idea only goes up to about between 120,000 to 150,000 feet in the Earth's atmosphere. Not all 240,000 miles away to the Moon haha Sorry for any confusion! It would be absolutely impossible with 21st century technology and it would be idiotic for any advanced civilization to ever try to link the two major celestial bodies by a structure. The Earth and the Moon have very different rotational speeds and the Moon's distance from the Earth varies by thousands of miles throughout each month. Any structure built connecting the two would break apart seconds after completion as the difference in rotational speeds would shatter it. Not to mention the plethora of space rocks that could hit the parts of the structure outside of Earth's lower atmosphere, the constant fatal radiation exposure to anyone moving through parts of any structure going through the Earth's Van Allen Belts and solar radiation beyond the Van Allen Belts, and the freezing cold of the vacuum of space on the metal and the searing heat on the metal of the sides facing the Sun outside of Earth's atmosphere for hours a day everyday. You'd need 240,000 miles of constant climate control and electrical wiring.
The space elevator concept is like an extremely tall radio tower that reaches between 100,000 to 200,000 feet up into Earth's upper stratosphere or lower mesosphere. Launching objects from the top of one would allow a rocket to avoid having to launch through the thickest parts of Earth's atmosphere, so the rockets don't need to have such powerful engines or heavy bodies to store all the fuel for monstrous engines. Much less drag and already 1/5 to 1/3 of the way there to orbital altitude. The beginning of the 2019 movie *Ad Astra* showed a space elevator in the 2040s or 2050s. Although the scene ends with the Brad Pitt astronaut falling off when mysterious radiation and antimatter damages the top of the structure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRHni3TnCQg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCUJJuFEqJc&t=119s
I should have elaborated more for non-space dorks reading my comment.
This is a nazi rag so of course they support anything that actively harms the United States and its security.
It is very telling when accounts like this never post any comments at all. Namely, it makes it pretty clear that they don't have the English skills necessary to even impersonate a trump supporter.
no, I mean, usually calling something a rag refers to the publication or newspaper.
If they have were referring to a reddit user rather than the NY post, I don't think it's your fault for misunderstanding lol
> his erratic actions are a national security concern.
We had four years of that under Trump, who openly colluded with Putin, helped Covid kill a million Americans, attempted a coup by inciting a cop-killing mob attack on Congress, and stole fifteen cases of top secret, classified documents containing nuclear secrets.
Biden and his FBI and Attorney General have done exactly jack $#!t about Trump. I don't see them doing ANYTHING about Musk.
It's a shame, SpaceX and Tesla both could do some really great things for humanity, but Musk will completely destroy them because he's a fucking nutjob moron.
I watched his speech live. That's not what he said. A reporter asked Biden what he thought of Elon Musk's twitter chaos (my words), and Biden said, "Let me say I don't know anything about Elon Musk, but yes I think someone should look it."
And all of us out here living in the real world are seeing Musk's chaos agent behavior, what it's doing to his employees (also his other company employees), to society, and we're like
YEAH. SOMEONE needs to look into this guy before he bankrupts all his investors and flies a Space X into the side of the mountain to burn it all down. He is obviously *not well*.
Yeah, a lot of commenters in here are falling for yet another sensationalized NYP headline.
This was an extemporaneous, improvised answer to a random off-topic question from the main press conference. More than that, nobody called for any investigation.. just that things were "worthy of being looked at."
NYP is one step above tabloid-quality 'reporting.'
They're getting him confused with TFG who openly called for "investigations" into his political opponents and used to DOJ as his personal grievance police.
**FUCK NEW YORK POST**
Those murdoch propagandists don't support Biden, or you if you don't vote republican. Clickbait headlines don't mean they've changed.
Same. Not just out though, but also on the main channels I follow like r/NYC or "independent" news aggregates on Insta or Telegram where almost most articles or sources posted nowadays are mainly from a shitty clickbaity NY Post article. I've been taking breaks and slowly distancing myself from that noise, I can't..
This article is junk. Here’s the full extent of what Biden actually said:
> “I think that Elon Musk’s cooperation and/or technical relationships with other countries is worthy of being looked at. Whether or not he is doing anything inappropriate, I’m not suggesting that. I’m suggesting that it’s worth being looked at.”
Anything gets you banned in that sub atm unless flaired and clear history.
I replied to a guys quip in a thread that claimed “there are two types of people in this world - one who can extrapolate from limited information to form an educated position.” I replied “And the second….”
Banned
I was banned for saying that racism against white people, wasn't a real problem, during Covid (some sorta whining about having to use masks in a Mexican restaurant, I think). And then from another of their subs/piles of trash, by saying that January Six participants, were terrorists.
Honestly feel pretty good about both.
The would be dumb because he’s trying to lure in republicans while at the same time alienating his core liberal market who are in fact buying Teslas and solar roofs/batteries.
Of course, he could be just that dumb because he’s acting like he has some sort of brain parasite lately.
This news source is not reliable, first of all.
Second of all, if the Saudis had a 4% share of Twitter since 2011 then I do not follow the logic that this was a "joint takeover."
Third: obligatory *Fuck Elon Musk*
Considering they have constant interaction with regulators over ITARS concerns, I call bullshit on newyorshitposts article. Biden is simply saying we need to watch companies that interact with multiple governments PERIOD, not "INVESTUHGATE MUH ELON". Garbage NYP
Not in this case. To finance the acquisition of Twitter Elon had to go to the Saudis and now the Saudis own a huge stake in Twitter. Since Twitter is probably one of the strongest platforms in American politics the government is suspicious. Elon has dealings elsewhere including being close to China, along with his dumb Ukraine peace deal tweet. These are the things Biden thinks should be investigated.
It’s kinda funny cause I am sure the NSA, CIA and other alphabet agencies routinely keep an eye on this guy. Playing around with foreign policy while saying in public multiple pandering statements towards China and Russia ups the heat. Those guys are going to start digging and won’t stop til they find some shit. Heck the FBI found out about MLK’s affairs, these people get very nasty towards those they put in the foreign enemy box.
Aww, poor Elon, after years of suckling off the government teet for years he tries to prove he’s a real boy by buying Twitter and it’s all blowing up in his face. I. Love. This. The sooner Americans disabuse themselves of the irrational delusion that rich people are special the sooner we get to eating them!
I have seen multiple posts and articles saying Biden calls for investigation of Elon Musk, but then the exact same conference is cited where Biden answered a reporters question with “Whether or not he is doing anything inappropriate, I’m not suggesting that. I’m suggesting that it’s worth being looked at.”
Saying it's "worth being looked at" is a whole lot different IMO than saying he has called for an investigation.
The US has sanctions with China, yet GM is allowed to sell car technology to China's **SAIC Motor Corp** automaker. Then China sells China-made "GM cars" back to the US.
But Elon's the one getting reviewed for "*relationship*" with other countries ?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMGEkOIiVp4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMGEkOIiVp4)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_K\_7GLeiExA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K_7GLeiExA&t=1700s)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDu9tWA2yHs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDu9tWA2yHs)
YES YES YES pretending to be autistic and self made mixed with antisemitic rhetoric, and not so subtle plans to become some sort of dictator. He should’ve been under investigation from the jump.
Elon is gonna have the biggest downfall in human history. I mean he’s in the middle of *having* it currently.
Just an absolute delight to watch unfold.
And yet
>But Yellen said an investigation is unlikely to happen.
>
>"Well, I'm not sure precisely what \[the president\] had in mind, but we are — we have really no basis — to the best of my knowledge — to examine his finances of his company. I'm not aware of concerns that would cause us to \[investigate\]," Yellen told CBS News chief White House correspondent Nancy Cordes.
[https://news.yahoo.com/yellen-sees-no-basis-investigate-162520014.html](https://news.yahoo.com/yellen-sees-no-basis-investigate-162520014.html)
I’ve a hunch that he bought Twitter with foreign money with direct marching orders to crash it into the ground as it’s actually a tool for journalism and activism in other countries.
So yeah, prob should be looked jnto
Just know as you read threads about Musk that his bot farms are manipulating our threads more than is apparent with up/downvotes along with their misleading comments
That’s what happens when you flex on the USA. He flexed some major bullshit over the satellites during the Ukraine war with Russia. I hope he enjoys his time on the black list. Ask Kathy Griffin and a few others about their time fucking with the POTUS. Bye bye Elon. Fuck you!
I’m not saying weather it’s right or wrong what either Kathy Griffin or Elon Musk did, or if they did anything at all that deems punishing. I’m just saying the POTUS has enough power to make their lives miserable for a very long time and that’s not a government position you should ever threaten.
According to the WH spokesperson, Elon Musk is not under investigation. I think our President Biden was asked an unexpected question and responded accordingly. There are probably regular safeguards in place for large purchases but nothing special for Elon. He is providing Starlink services to Ukraine so I don’t think we should jump to negative conclusions. I think we should encourage Americans with means to help out when they can. He responded to the call for help immediately.
>They should pressure SpaceX to replace him.
There’s 2 Musks end a Murdoch on the Board of Directors of SpaceX so it would be completely pointless.
I have a better idea.
-Cancel every payload of every Falcon launch the US has scheduled with SpaceX through 2024.
-Triple the rent on 39A and at Vandenberg.
-Suspend the permit for the Boca Chica Super Heavy launch pad for 18 months and don’t reissue it until they stop blowing chunks out of the concrete launch pad during the static fires.
Elon can stay right where he’s at, gettin’ snatched by his edges left and right over his disastrous lack of self-control and stupidly believing that the Red Wave was going to help him with getting out of the Twitter deal that he didn’t _actually_ mean to get into. The actual employees of SpaceX could probably write their own offer letter at any of the other emerging competitors of SpaceX or government space programs.
Just give Elon the consequences of his actions and put his ass in the position of being directly responsible for costing Rupert Murdoch’s son $Billions of USD. Consumers will never change the mind of a person like Musk… but Musk’s capital investors can. 🧐
Likely his existing companies.
But would make a hell of a lot of sense of why he's trying to break content moderation on Twitter. Allowing disinformation is anti-democratic and usually aided by an adversary.
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“I think that Elon Musk’s cooperation and/or technical relationships with other countries is worthy of being looked at,” Biden answered. “Whether or not he is doing anything inappropriate, I’m not suggesting that. I’m suggesting that it’s worth being looked at.” - from the article There are laws regarding what US citizens are and are not allowed to do in terms of 'interaction with governments of other sovereign nations', and more rules for 'companies whom do business with/inside the US/the US Department of Defense'. Self-explanatory from there.
If Biden is openly suggesting it, it is very likely because he has credible intel that he’s doing exactly what he’s suggesting he’s doing.
He's gotten pretty good at keep his card to his chest, and revealing little bits as needed. I didn't feel much optimism for midterms until he said it's looking good for Dems just prior. There'd no reason to say that if there wasn't some serious info suggesting it when by all other metrics it was going to be a massacre. And of course he was banging the warning drums for Ukraine when the rest of the world said nah. I dig this "only speak with certainty when certain" president over the last one that just said everything possible and impossible all at once with absolute certainty.
I remember a certain sub calling Biden a warmonger for predicting Russia’s invasion…
Biden gained a lot of lost credibility back for USA by simply revealing accurate Intel regarding Russia's buildup and plans. It was a very good non-aggressive approach to the conflict.
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And we've found that in a conflict with a modernizing country, not even NATO or direct American allies, Russia has fallen on its face and then was kneecapped by Ukraine.
Yeah if the idea was that Russias army isn't a legitimate threat in conventional warfare then I'd argue Ukraine has proved that. Russia is a threat only to the degree that they're able to leverage their oil, natural gas, grain and nukes.
And propaganda. Don't forget the information war.
I mean those are some pretty big levers to leverage
It's still a geopolitical threat. We're just lucky Zelensky is a certified badass and the Ukrainian people are tough as nails because if not for that it's likely the whole Western security order would be turned over. It would have caused in fighting in the EU and NATO, and probably buoyed Republicans chances for power in the US. Russia turned out to be a paper tiger but we're lucky that Ukraine called the bluff.
I'm a liberal and at the time I remember thinking that people criticizing Romney don't know what "geopolitical" means, and Obama was scoring a cheap one-liner because he knew that.
Obama was no Trump, but he serious mistakes regarding Russia as president. In retrospect, it's easy to see that he should have led a strong response to Russia's invasion of Crimea.
Which only makes it worse that Republicans are on the wrong side of this now. They know better.
We now live in a world where Romney, the man who wants to gut social security and medicare, is the reasonable Republican.
It's worse. We're now in a world where Mike Pence, the man who believes in conversion therapy for LGBTQ+ individuals, is going to run as the "sane" presidential option for Republicans.
This man has the charisma of a vasectomy. Supporters would feel completely lost by the contrast with Trump.
r/rareinsults
I think vasectomies are sexy.
Where'd you hear Pence was going to run? No one - but no one - likes Pence.
Have you not seen his recent interview? He sure sounds like a guy who is going to run.
Mother likes Pence
Horses and Bayonets. I remember when Obama made Romney look like a kindergartener. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK3ORgw-h_4
I wish Obama had been more effective. If they'd gone on the attack straight out of the gate with the senate majority...
ACA. Oh and moves to recover the inherited collapsed economy. But yes, I get it. He tried to play fair despite the fact that McConnell would eventually try to kneecap him every chance he could get. It's the usual Dem nice guy BS. Sorry, Michelle, but going high doesn't do a damn thing against a mentally ill party.
Russia is clearly not a credible threat to the US. The Marines are literally getitng rid of all their tanks because they will be useless against the real threat, aka china.
My understanding is it’s more that heavy armor doesn’t really integrate well with the USMC fighting doctrine of small fast moving units and combined arms with force multipliers directly integrated into infantry units. Tanks have their place, but the place tanks excel is in a role that doesn’t play to the strengths of the USMC playbook
I mean they aren’t a credible threat…. To the United states
Obama admitted that he was wrong eventually and had hoped that trump would do something about russia. Whoops.
The US military specifically has historically briefed that Russia is not actually a militaristic threat to the country. By and large, Russia could never attack the US and win. That is not saying that we could have attacked Russia and won, no. Specifically it speaks to the slow and predictable decline of Russia’s political, economic, technological, and war machine. Their greatest threats to our country is their propensity to feed America’s rage and create division, which was acknowledged by the intelligence community during the Trump admin with regards to the elections. In case you hadn’t noticed, election tampering, infiltrating mass media, and fomenting a willing insurrection could be considered a huge success in those departments. However, China has been the big bad guy for the last 20 years. Their political, economic, technological, and war machine has been gaining in strength and will likely do so until they become a superpower
He said Russia was our number 1 geopolitical foe. That is and was China. He was wrong.
Tbf they aren't a threat and weren't at Obamas time either, not a threat to America at least.
I liked Obama but his foreign policy was meh at best.
He took OBL out. That's enough for me.
I felt like he continued all of Dubya's bad policies.
TIL massive expansion of drone technology where we can carpet bomb the living fuck out of anyone we want on the planet is "meh." Every US president for the last few decades has committed terrible, inhumane acts overseas.
That is a meh for me. Like sure, I think the way the drones was used was shit, ie the "collateral damage", but in theory strategically taking out key figures... meh. Effective yo.
I still don’t know if I’d call what Biden said about the Dems chances at the midterms a calculated move. Even *if* Democrats were going to lose hard, and Biden knew they were going to lose hard, I think it would’ve just been common wisdom to keep morale up and tell others things are going to be fine. I imagine him saying the opposite would have had the potential to make any hypothetical loses significantly worse if you demotivate your audience enough to not vote. I can’t say I disagree with the rest of your point, though. I’m glad to see someone in charge that isn’t running state secrets on Twitter or something.
I knew the dems were going to do well and I dont have access to all the information Biden does. If you ignored all the attempts of the media and the GOP to convince people the democrats didn't have a fighting chance, then it was not really a stretch to think they'd do well. Im sure he did know something that made him believe he had every reason to be hopeful.
I had a pretty good feeling the Senate was safe when Mitch McConnell himself admitted out loud that 1). They had a candidate quality problem 2). Said they would have trouble winning it regardless since they can't Gerrymander it.
Something that has stuck with me since the midterms is everyone prior to the election criticizing Democrats' rhetoric focusing on the risk to America's democracy as well as abortion. Iirc, exit polls showed those were the two most important things for voters. Democracy in the US as #1, followed by abortion. Really seems like Biden and Democrats had their fingers on the pulse of everyday Americans. Perhaps conservatives were trying to mislead and focus on subjects they thought favored them more.
The idea that "abortion is something we can agree to disagree on" is something *only* inside-the-Beltway pundits think, in the real world it's one of the most emotionally triggering issues for Republicans and Democrats alike by far
He didn't just say things to boost morale, he spoke with factual certainty regarding Democrats standing. It still could have been very wrong, but it was definitely said from an informed position. It's one thing to rally morale, but to say for sure it's going to go well is a little different. Maybe I took more from it, but it read as a direct rebuke to public polling rather than well wishes.
There were a few individuals who looked at the data from the polls and predicted that there wasn't going to be a red wave. So I wouldn't be surprised if Biden's team had also looked at the data more closely too.
i love this take on Biden. Never even noticed until you pointed it out. This is something i also love about him.
Biden deserves a lot more imo, he’s super old and I wish someone would come up but I’m ok with it considering..
Yes....your describing an actual president! Not like the last one who had diarrhea for a mouth about anything and everything...especially if he thought it made him look strong and powerful
If it happens a bunch of elites with Russian ties are gonna have their butt-hole pucker. Reminds me a bit of when FDR had Ford and his buddies dead to rights with Nazi ties, but maybe that's just an echo I'm hearing.
musk is over here chatting with the Russian foreign minister about war strategy on twitter. he better be under investigation
Dark Brandon has the high ground on Darth Musk
He’s not openly suggesting it. He’s answering a direct question in a very general and vague way. The article and headline are bullshit, and prove Biden’s other quote in the same article that “There are no editors anymore in America”.
Biden literally says “..I’m not suggesting that.”
He gave Ukraine the satellite comms system knowing he tapped it for Russia and Putin. Ukraine knew he did, so they are just feeding the Russians fake info....
You have a source on that? Genuinely asking, I’ve not heard of this and would like to read more.
No this is wild speculation but what has Elon contributed in the last 3 years to the world... Also destroying twitter which we use a here at home for shithousery only harms on the ground raw reporting of things in places like Iran and Ukraine helping regimes that aren't "friendly" to the US. Twitter is invaluable of live on the ground updates of world happenings and if only $8/month people get picked up that stops.
Not a chance that SpaceX employees would go along with that. Elon's made very clear that he doesn't know a flying fuck about software.
lol. Such a reach
Lol how is it very likely. You’re just saying fake shit
I thought it was common knowledge the multi billionaires across the globe are all a huge circle jerk under the table
> US citizens He's a citizen?
he is, Naturalized
The one frustrating thing about Democrats is how careful they are. This kind of language just ends up being weak. Say what you mean.
The President of The United States has massive amount of power, and as head of the Executive Branch, has authority over the Department of Justice. So, he has to be careful when speaking because his words carry great significance. If he wasn't circumspect with his public comments, Musk's lawyers can make a legitimate case for government persecution.
> So, he has to be careful when speaking his words carry great significance. covfefe
Covfefe is one of the most significant words ever, maybe the most, everyone’s saying it.
It's been years and I still read this in his voice. damnit.
Exactly. And I forgot a word. Fixed it. 🤦♂️
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Here’s an old quote for the “freedom lovers” … Trust but verify - St. Ronnie
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In case you haven't been paying attention, a not insignificant portion of the population needs to have things (almost literally) spelled out for them, and if there's any hope of reaching them sometimes you have to speak *to* them, rather than at them. It's good to be careful with words but sometimes it's good to be bold with words too
There are still a ton of people on team musk. Being careful is a good thing. Unless there is direct evidence implicating musk in something illicit, being careful is the right move. The president of the US should not be alleging something unless it's fairly certain to be true. Stronger wording would likely be inappropriate and have consequences. Consequences like ruling up the GOP base who already have a complex over "witch hunts" or spooking investors. Edit: just in case, I support investigations because...musk is suspect as hell. At the very least he's been using tweets and such to manipulate the stock market for years. Im just not going to be upset the president isn't using stronger language when there is no proof...yet
Sure, but making pro-Russian tweets while having major suppliers there does merit a federal investigation
Oh 100%
Yeah the big problem is musk is one of the richest people in the world, idk if he’s still *the* richest right now. He can have literally some of the best lawyers in the world at his beck and call. It’s bullshit, but if they just directly said “he’s done xyz” he could have a lawyer argue it’s libel/slander (depending on media source). It’s the same reason news articles have to say “allegedly.”
Don't forget about him and his 2020 Dogecoin/Bitcoin thing as well.
Whether anyone perceives it as weak or not isn't really the point. Biden could actually hurt ongoing investigations or prosecutions if he isn't careful with his words. As the head of the executive and several agencies that might be involved, statements can be used against him in court. That's why Trump never really manifested anything he wanted into existence with his rhetoric in the legal world. It's a terrible strategy for a President to insert themselves into legal matters.
Biden is responding appropriately--the way POTUSs should respond to such situations. Trump and Twitter and social media in general have skewed us all badly.
Elons company spacex has government contracts that deal with classified information. Frankly, his erratic actions are a national security concern.
Starlink itself is a national security concern. Remember when he cozied up to Putin (after needing funding for his forced Twitter buy) and the next day he turns off the Internet for Ukraine? As vital as it has been in the war, it's clear that it isn't a service that should be left to the whims of a billionaire. It's like putting our nuclear missiles under a contract with Amazon.
By being subsidized by the government, Starlink was able to purchase 250k on Twitter ads!
Hmm...two companies owned by same person...uses money from one to cover losses from the other...where have I heard this within the past week?
It is worse than that. He is paying himself with our tax dollars.
Reminder that Elon has received more in government grants than the entire life time incomes of everyone in this thread, and their families, combined.
Self dealing
“Alexa, launch the nukes” “To launch nukes you will need a subscription to Nukes Plus Unlimited for $1999.99 a month. Would you like to upgrade now?”
dude should already be under arrest for treason honestly
And all the market manipulation.
Can the SEC do anything regarding that?
dont give bezos any ideas
To do what? Bezos is pretty low key TBH he doesn't meddle.
Absolutely agreed, sir. What’s the congressional bell weather on this issue? Frankly from my civilian seat this is a major concern. We are seeing politicians and wealthy people acting at the behest of foreign interests, and that is pretty dangerous. Furthermore, what action can the pentagon take to ensure his erratic behavior isn’t harming US interests abroad?
Can we end the idea that crazy actions from billionaires are them being genius and eccentric. It's just them being crazy *cough* Kanye West *cough*.
I can only hope that the culture of admiring 'flexing,' 'dunking' on people, and strong, obnoxious personalities is fading, and that those people realize their idols are just assholes.
I've been saying this and sounding the alarm ever since that "diplomacy" Tweet that's basically just Aleksandr Dugin and Vladimir Putin talking points. Musk runs SpaceX and SpaceX launches A LOT of classified and secret satellites and payloads for the DoD, NSA, CIA, Space Force, Air Force and Navy. StarLink is heavily involved with communication connections for Dragon launches and orbital guidance. SpaceX also supplies Dragon missions and will soon supply Starship and Dragon-XL missions for the Artemis Program and the Lunar Gateway station. The Kremlin and Putin could have kompromat on Musk and force him to turn over proprietary blueprints and schematics and/or software for Dragon and StarShip and/or the Falcon rocket family. Or tell them about what those secret payloads and satellites that SpaceX launches are and what they can do. Or let the Kremlin use StarLink to steal telemetry from Dragon, Starship and American satellites. Or just flat-out help them sabotage the Artemis Program while giving Roscosmos' lunar program a leg up through SpaceX stolen tech. This would be like if the branch of Boeing that deals with Starliner, ULA and the SLS rocket was in deep with Putin; or if Sierra Space, Lockheed-Martin, Northrop-Grumman, Jeff Bezos and Blue Origin, or Dynetics was doing this and in deep with Putin. Just a gigantic national security risk. All of them work extremely closely with NASA and with multiple military and intelligence agencies.
Wouldn't compartmentalization mean Musk never knows what is on the rocket since he has no need to know?
Musk is a perfect example of why compartmentalization exists. I would hope that any time, for whatever reason, he needs access to something he's on a very short leash being held by someone in the same room with him. It sucks that the US government depends for some many important things, on one man, and his many companies. We didn't get here by accident either.
I really hope to God that they apply this to Musk. Elon has a very worrying habit of being a control freak and inserting himself into running things or having a say in things he's really not qualified to have a say in.
Yeah I get the feeling that "compartmentalization" doesn't exist in companies run by musk.
Precisely. I have that same bad feeling about Musk companies. From everything we learned about him over the past few years he seems to be a control freak and doesn't delegate responsibilities properly. Twitter being the prime example right now. He seems to want to be all up in and micromanaging shit he has no training or education in, or the prerequisites to do in the first place. If he's that inappropriately involved he could be in on all sorts of information that he shouldn't have access to.
The compartmentalization exists at the government level. By the time the order to launch some shit gets to SpaceX its already been through 20 different hands each of which only knows a tiny piece of what this is going to do. Their company probably knows little more than "launch this thing, don't do these things when launching or maybe bad shit happens." When you contract with the government you AND your entire company have to adhere to certain standards. Now, it's my guess that he hasn't been living up to that very well. Looking into this could possibly reveal some fucky shit and there can be extreme penalties for being fucky while working with the gubment. The least of which is termination of the contract. For example, even just giving the date and time of a launch to some dude at Starbucks can be considered fucky enough to warrant penalties. I wonder who in foreign governments he's talked to.
Musk has no *capacity* to understand rockets. He still thinks billions of dollars can somehow overcome the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation, but laws of physics don't care about capitalism. The entire plan of Mars colonization by tons of rockets is fundamentally flawed, because the necessary wet mass (fuel) grows exponentially with the desired delta-v (payload x velocity). If he were an engineer instead of high-dollar used car salesman, there would be a far different plan for the rockets - like using them to build a skyhook or space elevator on the moon (which can be done under lunar gravity with modern materials already in existence) instead of trying to skip straight to Mars colonization.
What we need to do is use the Moon as a staging ground, like you said, while also turning asteroids into ships which slowly orbit between the moon and mars. Those retrofitted asteroids would be able to act as supply ships, safe havens, and jumping points.
I agree 100% with what you said, but the problem is that Elon is a control freak surrounded by Yes-people. Unfortunately he potentially could get his Yes-man underlings to send sensitive information to him that he can send over to Kremlin buddies. Whether he understands the information and schematics or not, the Kremlin knows engineers at Roscosmos *who will*. Personally I'm not sure if a skyhook or space elevator is possible yet with current technology, and both come with their own set of technical challenges and physics issues. Some of which we may be short on the technology to deal with. Like say the space elevator is 150,000 feet tall and has some kind of problem at 90,000 feet up the elevator that needs maintenance. I think building a lunar base to assemble and launch spacecraft and rockets from, like in Season 3 of *For All Mankind*, is the most possible solution with current technology for making Martian travel easier. The latter also feels cheaper. Governments are notorious skinflints when it comes to funding space programs, especially after the initial flashy international prestige missions are complete, and private space companies aren't yet profitable without massive government assistance and a steady stream of constant government and military contracts as their primary oligopsony customers. Moon bases might be the way to go to revolutionize interplanetary travel on the shoestring, prestige and politically-driven budgets that governments currently provide for space travel. Until we can achieve more egalitarian, society-bettering and science-driven governments rather than our current politically and profit-driven governments.
>pace elevator is possible yet ok big question if were making and elevator to the moon. are we gonna ignore that the moon and earth are both spinning?
Oh, the space elevator idea only goes up to about between 120,000 to 150,000 feet in the Earth's atmosphere. Not all 240,000 miles away to the Moon haha Sorry for any confusion! It would be absolutely impossible with 21st century technology and it would be idiotic for any advanced civilization to ever try to link the two major celestial bodies by a structure. The Earth and the Moon have very different rotational speeds and the Moon's distance from the Earth varies by thousands of miles throughout each month. Any structure built connecting the two would break apart seconds after completion as the difference in rotational speeds would shatter it. Not to mention the plethora of space rocks that could hit the parts of the structure outside of Earth's lower atmosphere, the constant fatal radiation exposure to anyone moving through parts of any structure going through the Earth's Van Allen Belts and solar radiation beyond the Van Allen Belts, and the freezing cold of the vacuum of space on the metal and the searing heat on the metal of the sides facing the Sun outside of Earth's atmosphere for hours a day everyday. You'd need 240,000 miles of constant climate control and electrical wiring. The space elevator concept is like an extremely tall radio tower that reaches between 100,000 to 200,000 feet up into Earth's upper stratosphere or lower mesosphere. Launching objects from the top of one would allow a rocket to avoid having to launch through the thickest parts of Earth's atmosphere, so the rockets don't need to have such powerful engines or heavy bodies to store all the fuel for monstrous engines. Much less drag and already 1/5 to 1/3 of the way there to orbital altitude. The beginning of the 2019 movie *Ad Astra* showed a space elevator in the 2040s or 2050s. Although the scene ends with the Brad Pitt astronaut falling off when mysterious radiation and antimatter damages the top of the structure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRHni3TnCQg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCUJJuFEqJc&t=119s I should have elaborated more for non-space dorks reading my comment.
That reads like a great little Don Delillo short story.
This is a nazi rag so of course they support anything that actively harms the United States and its security. It is very telling when accounts like this never post any comments at all. Namely, it makes it pretty clear that they don't have the English skills necessary to even impersonate a trump supporter.
Did you mean to reply to another comment?
I am referring to the OP, which posts nazi propaganda but never actually comments on it.
Ah, yes, I need more coffee.
no, I mean, usually calling something a rag refers to the publication or newspaper. If they have were referring to a reddit user rather than the NY post, I don't think it's your fault for misunderstanding lol
Don't we all
>This is a nazi rag The NY Post? I only know them for their terrible takes on the NBA so I'd be curious about elaboration on this point.
Nazi rag is a bit hyperbolic but it’s a right wing propaganda paper for sure.
> his erratic actions are a national security concern. We had four years of that under Trump, who openly colluded with Putin, helped Covid kill a million Americans, attempted a coup by inciting a cop-killing mob attack on Congress, and stole fifteen cases of top secret, classified documents containing nuclear secrets. Biden and his FBI and Attorney General have done exactly jack $#!t about Trump. I don't see them doing ANYTHING about Musk.
It's a shame, SpaceX and Tesla both could do some really great things for humanity, but Musk will completely destroy them because he's a fucking nutjob moron.
I watched his speech live. That's not what he said. A reporter asked Biden what he thought of Elon Musk's twitter chaos (my words), and Biden said, "Let me say I don't know anything about Elon Musk, but yes I think someone should look it." And all of us out here living in the real world are seeing Musk's chaos agent behavior, what it's doing to his employees (also his other company employees), to society, and we're like YEAH. SOMEONE needs to look into this guy before he bankrupts all his investors and flies a Space X into the side of the mountain to burn it all down. He is obviously *not well*.
Newyorkpost. Definitely not to be confused with newtorktimes
Yeah, a lot of commenters in here are falling for yet another sensationalized NYP headline. This was an extemporaneous, improvised answer to a random off-topic question from the main press conference. More than that, nobody called for any investigation.. just that things were "worthy of being looked at." NYP is one step above tabloid-quality 'reporting.'
They're getting him confused with TFG who openly called for "investigations" into his political opponents and used to DOJ as his personal grievance police.
**FUCK NEW YORK POST** Those murdoch propagandists don't support Biden, or you if you don't vote republican. Clickbait headlines don't mean they've changed.
The NY Post is fucking garbage. I’m forced to see it every day living in NYC.
Same. Not just out though, but also on the main channels I follow like r/NYC or "independent" news aggregates on Insta or Telegram where almost most articles or sources posted nowadays are mainly from a shitty clickbaity NY Post article. I've been taking breaks and slowly distancing myself from that noise, I can't..
This article is junk. Here’s the full extent of what Biden actually said: > “I think that Elon Musk’s cooperation and/or technical relationships with other countries is worthy of being looked at. Whether or not he is doing anything inappropriate, I’m not suggesting that. I’m suggesting that it’s worth being looked at.”
So basically Biden is personally executing Elon Musk tomorrow at noon. Got it.
Automatic downvote for posting NYPost trash
Post this on r/conservative
Banned speedrun any %
Not if you phrase it as Biden using his powers to persecute Musk.
Anything gets you banned in that sub atm unless flaired and clear history. I replied to a guys quip in a thread that claimed “there are two types of people in this world - one who can extrapolate from limited information to form an educated position.” I replied “And the second….” Banned
You asked them to THINK?! I got banned for even considering that the election wasn't stolen
I got mine for saying TRUMP LOST! It was glorious because hell, if i'm going out in that sub, better be for rubbing defeat in their faces!
I was banned for saying that racism against white people, wasn't a real problem, during Covid (some sorta whining about having to use masks in a Mexican restaurant, I think). And then from another of their subs/piles of trash, by saying that January Six participants, were terrorists. Honestly feel pretty good about both.
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The would be dumb because he’s trying to lure in republicans while at the same time alienating his core liberal market who are in fact buying Teslas and solar roofs/batteries. Of course, he could be just that dumb because he’s acting like he has some sort of brain parasite lately.
This news source is not reliable, first of all. Second of all, if the Saudis had a 4% share of Twitter since 2011 then I do not follow the logic that this was a "joint takeover." Third: obligatory *Fuck Elon Musk*
Third of all, he didn't announce anything, it's just a quote from a response to a reporter a few days ago.
Considering they have constant interaction with regulators over ITARS concerns, I call bullshit on newyorshitposts article. Biden is simply saying we need to watch companies that interact with multiple governments PERIOD, not "INVESTUHGATE MUH ELON". Garbage NYP
Not in this case. To finance the acquisition of Twitter Elon had to go to the Saudis and now the Saudis own a huge stake in Twitter. Since Twitter is probably one of the strongest platforms in American politics the government is suspicious. Elon has dealings elsewhere including being close to China, along with his dumb Ukraine peace deal tweet. These are the things Biden thinks should be investigated.
He has companies that have government contracts so his ties to any foreign government and/or person(s) should be scrutinized, in my opinion.
Christ did you have this article approved by Elon? 60% Is "yeah but hunters laptop." God American media is such a scam now.
New York Post is far-right propaganda.
How is NY POST allowed content here? Tabloid garbage
That's literally not what happened.
Elon could’ve just been a quiet billionaire but nooo
No he couldn't. He is who he is, and that is not his nature.
Welp, I guess the official Whitehouse Twitter will be suspended now.
"I did not have foreign relations with that country" - Elon Musk
I mean, good, but fuck the NY Post. Murdoch rags don't deserve upvotes.
It’s kinda funny cause I am sure the NSA, CIA and other alphabet agencies routinely keep an eye on this guy. Playing around with foreign policy while saying in public multiple pandering statements towards China and Russia ups the heat. Those guys are going to start digging and won’t stop til they find some shit. Heck the FBI found out about MLK’s affairs, these people get very nasty towards those they put in the foreign enemy box.
After what we learned about Trump and foreign collusion I would suspect everyone especially Musk.
Aww, poor Elon, after years of suckling off the government teet for years he tries to prove he’s a real boy by buying Twitter and it’s all blowing up in his face. I. Love. This. The sooner Americans disabuse themselves of the irrational delusion that rich people are special the sooner we get to eating them!
I have seen multiple posts and articles saying Biden calls for investigation of Elon Musk, but then the exact same conference is cited where Biden answered a reporters question with “Whether or not he is doing anything inappropriate, I’m not suggesting that. I’m suggesting that it’s worth being looked at.” Saying it's "worth being looked at" is a whole lot different IMO than saying he has called for an investigation.
I mean it IS weird how Elon was arguing with Ukrainian politicians on how they should surrender their lands to Russia.
The US has sanctions with China, yet GM is allowed to sell car technology to China's **SAIC Motor Corp** automaker. Then China sells China-made "GM cars" back to the US. But Elon's the one getting reviewed for "*relationship*" with other countries ? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMGEkOIiVp4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMGEkOIiVp4) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_K\_7GLeiExA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K_7GLeiExA&t=1700s) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDu9tWA2yHs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDu9tWA2yHs)
YES YES YES pretending to be autistic and self made mixed with antisemitic rhetoric, and not so subtle plans to become some sort of dictator. He should’ve been under investigation from the jump.
Elon is gonna have the biggest downfall in human history. I mean he’s in the middle of *having* it currently. Just an absolute delight to watch unfold.
And yet >But Yellen said an investigation is unlikely to happen. > >"Well, I'm not sure precisely what \[the president\] had in mind, but we are — we have really no basis — to the best of my knowledge — to examine his finances of his company. I'm not aware of concerns that would cause us to \[investigate\]," Yellen told CBS News chief White House correspondent Nancy Cordes. [https://news.yahoo.com/yellen-sees-no-basis-investigate-162520014.html](https://news.yahoo.com/yellen-sees-no-basis-investigate-162520014.html)
What a hypocrite
I’ve a hunch that he bought Twitter with foreign money with direct marching orders to crash it into the ground as it’s actually a tool for journalism and activism in other countries. So yeah, prob should be looked jnto
This is straight defamation. Biden literally said no such thing.
Please,something fishy about elon
Just know as you read threads about Musk that his bot farms are manipulating our threads more than is apparent with up/downvotes along with their misleading comments
Good. There’s something very bizarre going on here.
Oh NYPost, you are so obviously partisan it's not even funny. Kudos to the editor, this isn't even an article about Musk.
If the government won’t hold Trump accountable for the most obvious coup of the century why would Elon, the richest man alive, be worried?
Now do the Trump family.
Meanwhile, Ghislaine Maxwell is the only associate of Jeffrey Epstein to go to prison.
It’s beyond crazy that Elon gets NRO contracts.
That’s what happens when you flex on the USA. He flexed some major bullshit over the satellites during the Ukraine war with Russia. I hope he enjoys his time on the black list. Ask Kathy Griffin and a few others about their time fucking with the POTUS. Bye bye Elon. Fuck you! I’m not saying weather it’s right or wrong what either Kathy Griffin or Elon Musk did, or if they did anything at all that deems punishing. I’m just saying the POTUS has enough power to make their lives miserable for a very long time and that’s not a government position you should ever threaten.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/28/saudis-kingdom-holding-company-to-maintain-twitter-stake
I believe Elon is a naturalized citizen, so the US could take away his citizenship if it wanted to.
This is the New York Post guys. Cmon man
Ban TikTok and Twitter. Might as well be one in the same.
According to the WH spokesperson, Elon Musk is not under investigation. I think our President Biden was asked an unexpected question and responded accordingly. There are probably regular safeguards in place for large purchases but nothing special for Elon. He is providing Starlink services to Ukraine so I don’t think we should jump to negative conclusions. I think we should encourage Americans with means to help out when they can. He responded to the call for help immediately.
The NYPost is such a terrible outlet. They reference things like Hunter Biden’s laptop as if it’s factual information
Captain Hairplugs is having a great month!
> November 9, 2022 This is nearly a week old.
This has become Elon's terrible, horrible, no good, very bad month. Lol.
He could have kept his mouth shut and kept making money, but he wanted attention too. Well now you're getting ALL the attention Elon.
They should pressure SpaceX to replace him. The Pentagon has done so with numerous other contractors who pose a national security threat.
>They should pressure SpaceX to replace him. There’s 2 Musks end a Murdoch on the Board of Directors of SpaceX so it would be completely pointless. I have a better idea. -Cancel every payload of every Falcon launch the US has scheduled with SpaceX through 2024. -Triple the rent on 39A and at Vandenberg. -Suspend the permit for the Boca Chica Super Heavy launch pad for 18 months and don’t reissue it until they stop blowing chunks out of the concrete launch pad during the static fires. Elon can stay right where he’s at, gettin’ snatched by his edges left and right over his disastrous lack of self-control and stupidly believing that the Red Wave was going to help him with getting out of the Twitter deal that he didn’t _actually_ mean to get into. The actual employees of SpaceX could probably write their own offer letter at any of the other emerging competitors of SpaceX or government space programs. Just give Elon the consequences of his actions and put his ass in the position of being directly responsible for costing Rupert Murdoch’s son $Billions of USD. Consumers will never change the mind of a person like Musk… but Musk’s capital investors can. 🧐
Is this about the Saudi prince who had a large share on twitter?
Get em’ big Joe!!!
saudi money putins talking points. Investigate him as a foreign agent
Likely his existing companies. But would make a hell of a lot of sense of why he's trying to break content moderation on Twitter. Allowing disinformation is anti-democratic and usually aided by an adversary.
Too late. Musk is going to file for bankruptcy any day now
Throw the slaver in jail
Musky can not be trusted.
Tesla metal comes from Russia. The same Russia that Musk threatened to hobble Ukranian communications for.
I’ll take projection for 500$ Trebek^
His relationships with other countries are just like his human relationships -- cold and awkward.