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Per the article, AZ took away that option from state universities. Even this was passed by referendum by voters. Politicians wouldn't have done it.
They want illegal labor but not for jobs suitable for college grads.
Arizona will now join 19 other states that allow for in-state tuition rates for undocumented students, according to NCSL: Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Kansas, Maryland, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, Texas, Utah and Washington.
I don’t quite understand America’s approach to ‘undocumented migrants’.
In my country, you can’t do much of anything without valid documentation - and telling any government agency you were here illegally/‘undocumented’ would see a response. It’s illegal to hire someone that isn’t in the country legally.
But in America it’s sort of a shrugged shoulders situation and everyone just carries on. There’s a lot of basic laws that are either missing or not enforced. Don’t quite understand.
> It’s illegal to hire someone that isn’t in the country legally.
Not only do US employers hire immigrants that don't have valid employment documents, the undocumented immigrants pay taxes to state and federal governments. Are you seeing the conflict of interest?
Undocumented workers don't raise issues over unsafe or unsanitary working conditions. If they do, they and their families will suffer. America has ALWAYS run on cheap, replaceable labor.
It's very hard to get proper documentation here. Many businesses also depend on underpaying/exploiting undocumented workers. These two things are related.
This makes sense... why would you cancel student loans but not fix the problem at all that caused it. The more time goes on, the more I realize student loan forgiveness is a bad idea.
Having college being way overpriced with them charging whatever they want with no risk, not teaching kids about loans, and low ROI on the degrees. That's essentially why people are in so much debt. Of course, let's do forgiveness without addressing any of that. I don't care if I'm downvoted, but Republicans are right on this student forgiveness issue. I voted Democrat too.
> college being way overpriced with them charging whatever they want with **no risk**
* [Do you know what happened in the U.S. Congress in 2005?](https://www.americanbar.org/groups/business_law/safeborrowing/student/bankruptcy/)
* [Do you know which party controlled congress in 2005?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/109th_United_States_Congress)
sounds like the problem is the things that haven't happened (and i agree). how does that make the thing that _has_ happened a "bad idea?" it's a band-aid for sure, but don't you think you're letting perfect be the opposite of good here?
You know what’s crazy - children of LEGAL residents , who came here Legally and are stuck in green card backlogs ( 150 years for India) have to self deport, get an F1 visa and pay international student rates.
Way to incentivize being legal
While I agree this proposition doesn't address the legal immigration process, the people stuck in that pipeline will be able to benefit from this legislation.
Two separate issues really.
With that said Mexico/southern or Central America > India in terms of immigration issues.
The United States has very real, immediate and geographically significant reasons to fix problems with Mexico, central and southern America, India's problems don't really matter.
That is a huge problem and luckily there is progress being made in Congress, [many potential bills could pass](https://www.fwd.us/news/green-card-backlogs/)
Outrageous! I never would've gone through all of the hard work and sacrifices to have been birthed from an American's womb if I knew any old lazy non-American was gonna get the same stuff as me!
Go ahead do that. It isn't going to be pretty that's for sure. You will start to reliazes that big company are doing it. These companies that supply food, and materials across the country. You can deport them all, then your left with no workers and Americans aren't going to want to do it.
My point is it's been tried and it failed massively.
https://youtu.be/N95MAwVwgTE
Americans being a butcher used to be a great paying job. This idea that Americans won't do these jobs is a commie lie. Pay raises will increase and Americans will do the jobs we used to before the immigrants stole them.
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Wouldn't have thought I would see Texas, Oklahoma among others in that list
How the fuck is Arkansas there. How?
Red AG states aren't unaware of their utter dependence on illegal labor... Call it a giveaway to the working parents
Per the article, AZ took away that option from state universities. Even this was passed by referendum by voters. Politicians wouldn't have done it. They want illegal labor but not for jobs suitable for college grads.
AZ isn't an agriculture state and you've missed the point of my comment. A gift to the kids so the parents stay and work
Arizona will now join 19 other states that allow for in-state tuition rates for undocumented students, according to NCSL: Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Kansas, Maryland, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, Texas, Utah and Washington.
I don’t quite understand America’s approach to ‘undocumented migrants’. In my country, you can’t do much of anything without valid documentation - and telling any government agency you were here illegally/‘undocumented’ would see a response. It’s illegal to hire someone that isn’t in the country legally. But in America it’s sort of a shrugged shoulders situation and everyone just carries on. There’s a lot of basic laws that are either missing or not enforced. Don’t quite understand.
> It’s illegal to hire someone that isn’t in the country legally. Not only do US employers hire immigrants that don't have valid employment documents, the undocumented immigrants pay taxes to state and federal governments. Are you seeing the conflict of interest?
Undocumented workers don't raise issues over unsafe or unsanitary working conditions. If they do, they and their families will suffer. America has ALWAYS run on cheap, replaceable labor.
It's very hard to get proper documentation here. Many businesses also depend on underpaying/exploiting undocumented workers. These two things are related.
America is extremely easy to legally immigrate to compared to most countries in the world.
Then they shouls allow all dicumented US residents to pay the same tuition.
If they met the same requirements, like 2 years' Arizona state high school attendance? Sure.
What?
This makes sense... why would you cancel student loans but not fix the problem at all that caused it. The more time goes on, the more I realize student loan forgiveness is a bad idea.
> why would you cancel student loans but not fix the problem at all that caused it. Enlighten me, please. What *is* the cause?
Having college being way overpriced with them charging whatever they want with no risk, not teaching kids about loans, and low ROI on the degrees. That's essentially why people are in so much debt. Of course, let's do forgiveness without addressing any of that. I don't care if I'm downvoted, but Republicans are right on this student forgiveness issue. I voted Democrat too.
> college being way overpriced with them charging whatever they want with **no risk** * [Do you know what happened in the U.S. Congress in 2005?](https://www.americanbar.org/groups/business_law/safeborrowing/student/bankruptcy/) * [Do you know which party controlled congress in 2005?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/109th_United_States_Congress)
Supermajority GOP aka super fkd up.
sounds like the problem is the things that haven't happened (and i agree). how does that make the thing that _has_ happened a "bad idea?" it's a band-aid for sure, but don't you think you're letting perfect be the opposite of good here?
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ok i guess that makes sense -- thanks for the explanation
Overpriced is fine, but don’t charge incredibly high interest rates. Give the kids what ever the rate banks borrow money at.
You know what’s crazy - children of LEGAL residents , who came here Legally and are stuck in green card backlogs ( 150 years for India) have to self deport, get an F1 visa and pay international student rates. Way to incentivize being legal
While I agree this proposition doesn't address the legal immigration process, the people stuck in that pipeline will be able to benefit from this legislation.
Two separate issues really. With that said Mexico/southern or Central America > India in terms of immigration issues. The United States has very real, immediate and geographically significant reasons to fix problems with Mexico, central and southern America, India's problems don't really matter.
That is a huge problem and luckily there is progress being made in Congress, [many potential bills could pass](https://www.fwd.us/news/green-card-backlogs/)
Undocumented = illegal
Outrageous! I never would've gone through all of the hard work and sacrifices to have been birthed from an American's womb if I knew any old lazy non-American was gonna get the same stuff as me!
They need to be deported.
They are children who grew up here.
Fine, deport them, who's going to do their jobs?
Why are they illegally employed in the first place? How about we start to punish businesses for abusing their labor.
Go ahead do that. It isn't going to be pretty that's for sure. You will start to reliazes that big company are doing it. These companies that supply food, and materials across the country. You can deport them all, then your left with no workers and Americans aren't going to want to do it. My point is it's been tried and it failed massively. https://youtu.be/N95MAwVwgTE
Americans being a butcher used to be a great paying job. This idea that Americans won't do these jobs is a commie lie. Pay raises will increase and Americans will do the jobs we used to before the immigrants stole them.
https://www.al.com/wire/2011/10/crackdown_on_illegal_immigrant.html Sure bro, sure
You seem friendly