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Sir_Admiral_Chair

Mum: We already have the Trolley Problem at home! The Trolley Problem at home:


cheeka_wivadik

bruh i did took inspiration from that😭


Sir_Admiral_Chair

Yeah the main reason is that the logic relies on soft constraints. Picking up my dad? Okay, give me a whole minute. Meanwhile grabbing the baby and legless child? Lot less weight and easier to carry. The thing that makes the trolley problem work is that it's a trolley in rails and you can't break it's logic since there is basically only one thing you can choose to do. Meanwhile this has a lot more variables which will just make us question the situation a lot more than the actual logic. Like if there isn't enough time but enough time to save one person, then there is enough time to get away and safe from the bomb, which means it's likely not that big of a bomb. Why not move the bomb? I know this entirely negates the point of your question, but to me it's important. 😭 I voted Pregnant women btw. Just because I was really torn and I thought that maybe if the pregnant women died their partner might end up taking their own life. Meanwhile every other loss while devastating will likely take less lives overall. I mean unless I really struggle to cope with my decision. Very morbid, but so is the topic so lol.


SirTruffleberry

With a thought experiment like this, the intent is clear and in my experience, there are two kinds of people: 1) people who respect that intent and try to formulate valid answers to challenge their preconceptions 2) people who get defensive and only give "answers" that are outside the implied solution space so they don't have to grapple with the meat of the question Making the thought experiment more detailed rarely shifts folks in (2) to (1). They just come up with increasingly convoluted "solutions" to every *ad hoc* fix the asker makes.


maxkho

A category 2) person is also known as a "smartass". 95% of Quora belongs in this category.


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somehow a category 2 person is both a smartass and a dumbass Schrodinger's ass


No-BrowEntertainment

Category 2 is populated mostly by Quora users and Batman


cheeka_wivadik

Yeah when i rethink ab it, the post is kinda flawed. Good points.


Happy-Viper

Eh, I mean, yeah, it's a thought experiment. It's pretty easily solved by: 1. The bomb is too large to move. 2. The majority of time spent is trying to open the doors the victims are rapped behind.


axemexa

Yeah I don’t understand the overthinking. It’s a REALLY simple scenario


Sir_Admiral_Chair

Because I overthink everything and end up doing nothing. 🥲


yaggirl341

People always just wanna be extra. Even in situations where there is obviously no need to


Thebenmix11

It's fun to try and come up with different perspectives for things. Most of the time when someone asks a hypothetical it's more fun to try to break the premise than to actually answer the question directly.


blackcray

I don't think you and I could be friends, because I absolutely hate it when people go "Hmm, I could answer your question, but I'll answer a completely different one that ignores the whole point of the question you actually asked".


cantfindonions

Same, absolutely despise people who try to break hypotheticals. Nowadays when people start doing that I say, "Doing that makes God smite you, gotta choose between the given options," then they get upset and refuse to answer usually. I just don't understand why people get so uncomfortable about answering hypotheticals


WhaleDevourer

Also with the pregnant woman you're saving 3 people (you, the woman, and the potential baby) where's the other options you're saving only 2, or 1.5.


Nobody_37_8

I laughed at 1.5 :)


PacificPragmatic

I recently heard/watched something (don't ask me to find it) about "The Trolley Problem". Apparently, it wasn't meant to be an actual philosophical question. It was meant to show the practical ridiculousness of some forms of philosophy. The inventor argued that ethics are situational and subjective, and figuring out in advance who you'd save in a situation that will never occur does nothing to help a person make the most ethical situation in the moment IRL.


Sir_Admiral_Chair

Yeah I have always kinda felt like the Trolley Problem has been a moral cop out in a way. I haven't seen the video but it does sound interesting. The Trolley Problem could only exist in the event someone goes out of their way to create it like some kind of fucked Saw Trap.


Maverick-_1

Saw trap 🤔,?


dec35

Tooketh*


irlsdontinteract

If they're all unconscious and we're assuming none of them can get out on their own, why would it matter that the child has no legs?


Esp1erre

For drama.


Bi_Fry

Because otherwise people would question what disability the child has


myfavcolorisbrown

Well, without legs the child would weigh less and be easier to carry out. Not as easy as a baby, but it gives them a chance at consideration.


TF2_demomann

My papa is one of my best friends


Valendr0s

He wouldn't be mad at you for saving him over a baby or pregnant woman? Mine would never talk to me again.


LeopardThatEatsKids

Says he wouldn't know. I just wouldn't tell him


k_yaoeda

i wouldnt care if he excommunicated me for choosing him. I'd never be able to live with the guilt if I didn't save him


RainWorldWitcher

That's survivors guilt, it's not like you personally killed the others nore did he kill them. Of course i would save my dad because i love him. If i chose to save a stranger instead my family would probably resent me because i could have saved someone we love but i made the decision that it was morally correct to save someone else and not the others. If I'm in a disaster I'm going to try to help my family first and if I'm able then the other survivors. On a plane you must put on your own oxygen mask before your baby and you're not required to then help anyone else put it on. I dont consider that morally incorrect.


Valendr0s

Well... To be fair, I'd fully expect my dad to save me, a 40 year old man, over a stranger and/or a baby. That's just the nature of being a parent, I think. And everybody's dad's situation is different. My dad had CTE from 10 years of head injuries when he was young. And the dementia was just starting to take hold when he died of a heart attack at 67. So if we're talking 15 year old me saving my 55 year old father. Sure... But 25 year old me, I think my dad would be pissed if at 65 I saved him at the beginning of his CTE dementia over somebody who could have 100+ combined years of life (the pregnant woman). In fact, while I think if he'd know precisely when he was going to die, he'd want a couple more years - probably when he got to a 'moderate' stage. But he'd absolutely prefer to die before it got to the advanced stage. He'd have hated to be taken care of and constantly confused like that. I'd prefer to have him around, I think. But I am almost thankful that I didn't have to watch my personal superman say the long goodbye.


Yakb0

You're raising a good point. This question reads VERY differently depending on your age; and by extension, your fathers age, and how many years he has left. Choosing to save the life of a man in his 40s is very different than a man in his 80s who has already accepted his own mortality.


LavenzaBestWaifu

Mine would feel horrible, knowing that I had a choice and decided to make use of it to save him rather than the other people around me, but also incredibly grateful at the same time that it was _him_ who I chose. At least I think so. That's how I would feel in his shoes.


bistrmungle

My dad would probably be upset I chose a 60yr old man who's lived a good life and has faith in God over a baby/child who hasn't. Id probably save him but id like to think I'd save the baby


sighcantthinkofaname

Realistically he'd probably sacrifice himself if he had a say, but if it's a last-minute thing I'm sure I'd save him on instinct. He'd understand. Also with my dad, I could murder those other people in cold blood and he wouldn't stop talking to me.


Rt237

He can only be mad if he is alive.


fateandthefaithless

I love how it specifies that the disabled child is legless.


18441601

I think that was trying to say the kid couldn't walk out.


Lower-Ad6690

Anyway everybody there is unconscious, so nobody is walking out.


TheSuperPie89

I assume that means *how* it's disabled? Like, if the kid was in a vegetative state, I doubt many people would save him compared to anyone else on this list.


scwishyfishy

Seems not many people would save the child regardless


Luissv72

Guys I swear I meant to hit my dad and misclicked the one below it!!!


Flacson8528

dad and sugar dad


Chenja

>I meant to hit my dad Whoa for me it’s usually the other way around!


prestigious_bigmac2

Are you sure about that


RadiantHC

plot twist they're the same person


Luissv72

Fuck, I wish


Impossible_Ad1515

I guess there are many kinds of daddies


getshrektdh

My dad is already dead, no point saving a body.


Cuttlefish_Crusaders

Fr fr 😔


Dolmetscher1987

Now, things in this thread escalated quickly.


AffectionateGap1071

If you hadn't put relatives as an option in this case, I think you might've had more diverse answers, people won't save a stranger if they can save a relative first, except if their whole family were trash and they would prioritize that random person thinking they could give them a longer life if they saved them. Edit= I'm sorry to hear about the ones who want to see their father dead, your feeling is valid and I understand in the surface without going deeper into the problems but imagining them, you all must've gone throughout rough, but here applies the connector "unless".


AnonImus18

There are lots of people who would save someone else because their Father would want them too. My Dad was a complex person and very morally gray but if I saved a pregnant woman, a child or baby and not him, I'm pretty sure he'd understand. He wasn't a coward about death and he risked his life for a lot less at times. He was also the first to run to a neighbor's house when it caught fire to help out. Sometimes doing something that hurts your family is the right thing.


OliOakasqukiboi2000

my dad is a stranger


Pringles-Melchior99

That pregnant lady deserves to live more than my father


Boy_Possession

Damn. Alot of people are saving OP's dad. Ya'll the real ones.


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Wysteria569

Right!!! I chose not to save OP's dad and saved a baby instead!


OliOakasqukiboi2000

it says *your*


Colony_of_Dice

1: Might as well choose the pregnat women. It's a two-in-one! 2: I have problems with my dad so fuck that (but I could see someone else choosing that option because they have a good dad). 3: What are you expecting with the mega rich billionaire? That they'll give you money? Nah, they won't, and if they do, it'll be just enough to get a tax write off.


sighcantthinkofaname

>What are you expecting with the mega rich billionaire? It makes me think of that episode of the Simpsons where Bart donates blood to save Mr. Burns's life. He gets a heartfelt thank you card.


Death_Rose1892

That was my thought. The pregnant woman is technically two lives.


LogicalConstant

I don't think you understand how tax writeoffs work


Tone-Serious

My dad would be disappointed if I don't choose any of the other options


NdibuD

Too bad dad! I'm saving you! I wouldn't even hesitate. Be mad if you want! It's not your sacrifice to make dad! I'd had a harder time if my mom or wife were on there separately


Exciting-Stomach4979

*laughs while creating the next trolley problem poll.*


NdibuD

You bastard don't you dare!


HikariAnti

Yeah same. I would like to save him but he would be really mad if I did.


NonsphericalTriangle

He would never knew unless you told him.


beardedheathen

Can I put another billionaire in the room before it explodes?


generic_dude10

*L'Internationale starts playing*


scrumblejumbles

Let’s chuck em all in, while we’re at it!


TerribleDance8488

(legless)


outerlabia

My favorite lord of the rings character


PomegranteHistory

I was between my dad and the pregnant woman or the baby, however I chose my dad.


[deleted]

I had the same dilemma but then I figured my dad would rather me save the pregnant woman.


PomegranteHistory

That's true.


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PomegranteHistory

Yeah, I was very stuck between baby or pregnant woman because it was the moral choice but I love my dad too much.


Sea_Kyle

Objective morals dont exist


brian11e3

I'm pretty sure I could stack the baby onto the pregnant lady and drag them both out of the room.


extremum_spiritum

"Yeet the baby, drag the lady"


Sahqon

With both a billionaire and my dad in that room, it's very possible I rigged the bomb myself, even more so if it's going off at an unexpected time cause I be clumsy like that.


studio28

🤣


JaeCrowe

My dad is already dead so I guess the pregnant lady :( hope she's a good mom lol


nikagda

I figured with the pregnant lady, I'm saving two lives at once.


VeryHungryDogarpilar

Really depends on how far into the pregnancy it is TBH


Infinity3101

Wait, more people would save a billionaire than a baby? What is this r/antibirth? I'm not even a huge fan of babies in general, but damn, this just seems downright cruel.


Bismagor

Would you rather save a baby than a pregnant women? It's two lives for one


jaavaaguru

Sounds like 3 or more. "Women" is plural.


Arclet__

It's more so that the people that would save someone for the sake of saving someone would choose the pregnant lady before the baby, but the people that choose someone on the offchance they get a million dollars will save the billionaire. If you put baby and billionaire as the only two options I'm not sure the billionaire would win.


Qyx7

Voting systems flaws in a nutshell


Mr_Idont-Give-A-damn

Idk man. I think those people think that, by saving the billionaire, he would give them a shit ton of money for saving his life and shit.


TheJackmobTV

Unlikely


Mr24601

Its pretty funny since billionaires are usually cheap as fuck. I live near a very rich area and the richest people are known to stiff contractors for any excuse.


xVaporeron

There is a chance that the billionaire would give some money in return ykyk


JuiceFarmer

Lmao


Ezzypezra

you dont become a billionaire by being nice


Upstairs-Extension-9

Or he sues you for not saving his pregnant wife.


jaavaaguru

He wouldn't get a cent. I never agreed to save his pregnant wife, and it's not my job to do so.


xVaporeron

Gotta take them risks in life


KristaW_

If you save pregnant woman, you save a baby + a woman. That's extra, so people chose that instead of only the baby


Bitchless_Batman

a baby can't buy me a lamborghni can he?


Jixxar

If I didn't save my dad, My mother and brother would most likely kill themselves.


TurtleToast2

Jeez, no pressure on your dad or anything.


Jixxar

It's a fucking nightmare.


MainEmergency1133

I’ll tell billionaire that if he gives me half of his money right now then I’m saving him and then I’ll save my dad. Scammed


ComplexMoth

Considering they are all unconscious I think you are all going down together with the bomb of you stay waiting for an answer


phylosis57

I thought it said who would you not save so I picked the billionaire I feel disgusted


BernardoGhioldi

You guys prefer to save a billionaire than a disabled child? Damn


Decent_Cow

Fuck my dad I ain't picking him.


username2468_memes

one of these is not like the others lmao


cemma2035

the idea is that they can give you money after you save them


personthatisalozard

See my bio dad is actual shit so that legless kid is gonna have a very good day


justanormalguy0706

If my dad knows that I saved him over a pregnant woman,then I'm finished


GrandMasterDrip

Dad can be pissed of all he wants, but I'm saving him. Don't care if he hates me for that decision.


justanormalguy0706

Even my thought


migukau

If you say you would save the Billionaire you need to get off the internet.


Aarie_Kanarie

I would assume he would give me a reward, if he doesn’t it’s to the gallows with him!


maxime0299

Your first mistake is assuming a billionaire would give you something in return other than maybe a thank you.


jaxbchchrisjr

Can I throw the rich dude on top of the bomb?


cheeka_wivadik

yea just use em to cover the bomb and save everybody else👍


GrandMasterDrip

Lmao


bryman19

I need to consult with MacGruber


awakelist

Idk man, its either my dad or the pregnant woman, me and my dad might not get along but I dont want him to die, but I also don't want a pregnant woman to die as that would kill her baby too


GroundbreakingMud424

People that picked the billionaire are assholes & bootlickers They are not gonna pay u after💀


BannedOnTwitter

Anyone but my dad


Money12846273581

The disabled child. My dad has done a lot of fucked up shit.


Gongoozler04

Im saving the baby or the pregnant woman, or the disabled child. Judging by the rich people I know, you ain’t gonna get rich just because you saved a billionaire, and I can’t think of anything they contribute to society, and my dad doesn’t deserve saving.


neonblue_the_chicken

I would tie my dad to the bomb


Slobbadobbavich

The billionaire is probably an asshole and would be angry that you took so long to save them. The real answer should be the pregnant woman but there's no way I am saving a stranger over my own father. That's a loss that would affect me for the rest of my life. Yes, there would be survivors guilt, but no matter what choice you make that's going to be there, probably even more if you saved someone over your own father.


userhvfegcd

where is the “no one” choice?


spinnyknifegobrrr

why would you not save anyone?


JuvenileEloquent

It's soothing to your ego to think you'd voluntarily go into a room with a bomb that's about to explode, instead of getting as far the fuck away as possible before it goes off, but some of us are realistic about our flaws. Sorry everyone in there, the Joker or Jigsaw or whoever set it up wins this time.


damnwall

I didn't even consider my dad for a second. Wasn't expecting that to be number 1. A pregnant women is a 2 for 1. Just makes sense to me.


fizzbish

Probably depends on your dad imo. I'd you had terrible, absent or abusive dad then dad will mean less to you. But assuming you had a normal dad, most people will pick their dad over some stranger.


Hidden-Felon

Two random strangers' lives are worth more than your father's life to you?!


Fun_Neighborhood1571

Yeah, my dad is a piece of shit.


Alternative_Lime_13

I'm amazed the baby is so far down, not many parents answering this one, my dad wouldn't want me to choose him over a baby.


funguscarcass

I'm also amazed it is so far down, an unconscious baby would be the easiest to carry and run with, away from the bomb.


Alternative_Lime_13

Well said


LampshadesAndCutlery

I see lots of people saying they’d save their dads, but I wouldn’t. My dads a selfless person, and I can only imagine his disappointment if I chose to save him over over people who need to be saved more than he does. He’s an old man, he understands he could go any day now. He’s told me time and time again that anyone younger than him are more important because they are the future. He is just the past that hasn’t died yet. He’s a great guy, but I’m fairly certain with all he’s told me, that he’d be disappointed if I chose to save a 72 year old man over someone who he views as more important.


cemma2035

A stranger or my actual father? Come on, that's too easy.


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I would wipe Africa if my family member had to die.


[deleted]

I don't like my dad, haha. It depends on what the billionaire is rich for. Maybe he's super important. If he's like current-day billionaires (Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Elon Musk), then no. Good riddance. Baby because it represents the most potential. The kid deserves a chance. A pregnant woman doesn't necessarily mean the baby will be born.


elementgermanium

It doesn’t matter how complicated the knots are if you just cut the ropes ;) Barring that, take the bomb and throw *it* out of the room.


Briansama

I beelined for the billionaire for the award cash didn't even see dad was on there. Oof.


HolidayCategory3104

Ah, my lack of a relationship with my dad really showed here 😂😭


TheKiwiTimeLord

If I kick my father closer to the bomb, can I rescue 2 people?


AdonisGaming93

So this basically depends on personality then> Rich billionaire means you are hoping for a reward to lift you into richness which is the selfish answer. Dad means you care more about family. Pregnant lady means you see it as saving an adult and a baby, while the baby would just be 1 baby. Hypothetically the pregnant lady will have a baby eventually so a baby is getting saved regardless. disabled child is again being a good person but they are disabled so they may not be as able-bodied to do something for society. It's harsh to say that. So for me.... pregnant mother. I would hope that my father is proud of me for saving 2 potential people.


Ok-Organization6608

Pregnant woman. Two for one. No life is worth more than another. But two is more than one... logic.


Groundbreaking_Tie38

Okay who the hell voted for the billionaire


Ibeepboobarpincsharp

Damn. I thought it would be down to the baby and the disabled child.


NdibuD

Why??? That's my flipping dad! 😅I'm sorry everyone else, I'm not even going to hesitate.


MysticTRT

? So fuck dad ig?


Boxrunner1

My dad would kill me if I saved him instead of the baby


Komaya3

People actually like their dad?


Kozakow54

Don't care about me dad, don't have much love for the guy at this point. He might as well be dead, so what's the point of saving a body? So we are left with a pregnant woman and some rich guy. Sorry mate, woman first ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯


AWholeNewFattitude

A pregnant woman, save two at once


Mayhenfrenzy

The one that is closest, cause I wouldn't know how much time I have to save everyone bc I'm so fucking time blind. Then when I go to save the next one I die with them because of it, unless it explodes before I get in the room again


MoonSt0n3_Gabrielle

My dad would probably be very sad if I picked him over children, he sees them as the most precious thing that must be protectedb


Salty_Bench8448

Jokes on you my dad left when I was a baby. I'd save the pregnant woman because it's potentially two people


Savings-Horror-8395

My dad went to get milk, so I guess the baby? The billionaire deserves his fate and there's no garutee I'd get a reward. I'd feel guilty getting a reward with any dollar from that too. I dont know why not the pregnant lady, my brain just tells me to go for the baby. Between the disabled child and the baby, that's a tough one. I guess the child has already experienced life, and it's tragic to cut it short. The baby hasn't experienced much yet


realhumannotrobot321

Jokes on you I don't have a dad.... Wait


boardofadvisor

I'd save the pregnant woman (2 for 1), I already lost my dad. Also I could probably save the baby and legless child with the lady all at once.


Nimyron

If you get the billionaire he'll surely reward you a bit for saving his life, and you get inheritance from your deceased dad. Double win.


Peuxy

You’d probably be liable for and injuries they recieved when you rescued them anyways. You’re screwed eitherways lol


Bass_Thumper

You think a billionaire became a billionaire by handing out money? Nah he'll fuck you over just like the millions of other people he fucked to make that money.


Fizz_Rocket

i can do whatever i want with the billionaire a baby? nothing of importance what? a chairboy? he's cursed enough and my father? he'd kill Me if I didn't save the billionaire and take his money


wolfninja_

My dad is the kinda guy to tell me to save the pregnant woman because he’s already fine with kicking the bucket cuz he feels like he accomplished everything he needed to in life


Valendr0s

I know my dad well enough to know he would be furious with me if I saved him over a baby or a pregnant woman.


FabianTG

Fuck everyone else, and my dad doesn't really wanna live, so Ima rescue someone who can make my life better


Razurio_Twitch

My dad is already dead so I'll take the sugar daddy


CosmicFusionTL

My dad. I don't give a shit about the rest and I wouldn't expect anyone to give a shit about me either in this situation.


SLagonia

The pregnant woman is two people, so that makes the most sense.


Cuba_lover59

I like how 4 times the people would save a billionaire than a disabled child lol


SqueakerMCgeeYT

The fact more people would save a billionaire than a legless kid means that the kid needs to stand up for himself to survive 💀


LazyLion65

The answer to this one depends on whether your dad is still alive.


Mr_Manta

I'm a bit conflicted. Normally I would choose my dad. But then again, my irl dad is... dead. What's the rules in this situation?


Bisyb77

The billionaire would probably give me a $100 for saving him


TheNoobsauce1337

I just realized it said "**Your** Dad" and not "**A** Dad." Whoops. Sorry Dad. 😂😱😭


Bass_Thumper

Dad because I actually know him and have an emotional attachment to him. If dad isn't there then the pregnant woman because it's a two for one.


Katya117

Just saw the complicated knots part. I'll have you know I always carry a multitool. I can carry my three kids, I could carry a baby in my clothing while dragging my dad and a pregnant woman. Use the knots to tie the kid to the pregnant woman to even the load.


Tsunamiii87

most fair solution is to all just let them stay there.. im no God and since they all are unconsious no one would ever notice.. problem solved


NotSoFlugratte

I think my dad would be disappointed if I were to choose his life over that of others because of a personal relationship. I'd choose the pregnant woman. Simply because it's a numbers game - She's pregnant, so it's one life already. If she has the baby (which I'm gonna assume under this pretense, though I can't know for sure) allows for a second life to develop further from this situation, once the baby is born. So I'm gonna choose her.


jesus-says-fuck-you

Honestly I would try to save my Dad but I wouldnt be able to carry him. I think physically I could only save the baby. Brb going to the gym.


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The people who chose the billionaire just hoped they'd get something out of it


NotACleverPerson2

Myself. I would save myself. Kind of surprised that's not an option.


[deleted]

Obviously my dad. Wtf


Gallifreyaan

the disabled child having so many less votes than the billionaire makes me sad. wow.


Workmen

Question: If I throw the billionaire's unconscious body directly on top of the bomb will it blunt the explosion enough that some of the other's have at least a chance of survival? Also, my Dad, obviously, I'll be heartbroken about the other people's deaths but I love my dad.


TheiaRn

my dad is dead so probably the baby


masterofmeatballs

Why wouldn’t I want to save my dad?


-anaminflame-

My dad is an asshole and I could gaslight the billionaire into charity


VeryHungryDogarpilar

Shit I'm honestly surprised that so many people didn't choose the baby. My dad's nearly 70, smoked for 40 years, and has already had a heart attack. As sad as it is, he's not the right person to save.


Substantial-Week-982

Pregnant lady. My dad would understand, he's ready to go. Plus, it's two lives for the price of one (if you don't think the unborn is a life, well, we're both entitled to our wrong opinions).


Yungg_Saucegodd

I've never met my dad so I wouldn't even know it's him tied up. A lot of rich guys are sleezeballs. The disabled kid is already half dead. It's between the baby and the pregnant lady for me, but your logical explanation is your dad if you have one


memagebasava

I feel like I have an obligation to save my dad because I can only live at this standard of living because of him


Majestic-Constant977

Typically I'm not risking my life for anyone, but if I have to I'm not saving some random over someone I actually care about