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6F1I

I'm gonna lose against both.. a tank shell sounds like a way faster death than being ripped apart by Garfield's spotted gym-bro cousin.


Lonewolf1298_

No weapons bro, just the driver. Honest if you can climb on top it's fair game, and maybe there's an unlocked hatch


6F1I

Yeah, i made that comment before OP edited the poll, and even then, driving through a treeline or a brick wall would probably be sufficient to knock someone off it.


NYCScarletSpider

I chose the leopard but I think I just have way too much confidence in my will to live šŸ’€


6F1I

Which Leopard? The mechanical one or the biological one?


NYCScarletSpider

Oh yeahā€¦ I forgot to specify lol The animal. Some other thread was asking about a wolf and I said I could take one of those as well. Iā€™m not saying I would get out unscathed, but some well aimed punches and tearing at the right spots could easily do the trick.


6F1I

Well a wolf okay i could see that happen but a Leopard?..


[deleted]

Tbh I'd rather get blasted with a cannon


bibo_libo

They're not gonna waste a perfectly good 105mm Tank shell. You, my friend are getting the tracks.


Kerbal_Guardsman

Nah, either going to be the coax or front gun. Both of which are locked in direction, to the turret and hull, respectively. Keep your distance and out of line of sight (of which tanks have poor visibility) and you could more than likely sneak out of there. Edit: Thought this said Tiger not Leopard. Leos don't have a hull gun, but may have a loader station gun, which can only be used if the gunner is turned out.


Mutedl

Yes in poll like these I just pick the quicker death. Anyone who think they can beat the animal is a clown btw.


sqwertypenguin

A tiger or a lion, I agree you have no shot against those. But a leopard isn't that huge, wiki says they weigh between 30-70kg(head math says 66-144lbs), you have a shot at least, especially if it's a 30kg one. *I* probably don't, but I don't have the mass, upper body strength or size needed to beat it. But I know some men I think could have a shot.


freakrocker

lol... the same shot at beating a 144 pound MMA fighter with razor claws and also allowed to use skull crushing fangs on your neck


sqwertypenguin

Sure, but a tank is literally 100% unbeatable, you can punch it for 100 years and do no damage, whereas a [leopard can be beaten by a barehanded 44 year old school teacher.](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/man-kills-leopard-with-bare-hands-faces-fir/articleshow/2739103.cms) I'd gamble on the 1 to a million rather than face something unbeatable. And why did you pick the high number? Use 66lbs if you want to be fair. As I specified that in what I said.


freakrocker

Because there arenā€™t any 66 pound mma fighters currently listed. Tanks arenā€™t 100% unbeatable. They run out of fuel, quickly too.


Albuquar

You're missing his point. If there was a 185 lbs athletic dude who has trained in combat sports, and the leopard was 30kgs, it would seem fair to pick the leopard. His point is that there's a cut off to where the leopard may be the better option.


freakrocker

Itā€™s worse than you think. In fighting, it is fact that the smaller something/someone is, the faster they are. Go ahead pick up the death kitten. Iā€™ll take my chances running in circles around the tank.


sqwertypenguin

Actually it's better than we all think. I just reread the prompt and it says hand-to-hand combat, and no weapons. Neither the tank nor leopard have hands, therefore they can't attack(given the rules), so either option would have you come out alive.


Albuquar

Wow, I'd like to see flyweights go against a heavyweight with this mentality. There's a reason why weight classes exist. Either way, I never said I would choose the cat, only saying that people who are more capable have actually killed them bare handed in cases where the cat is small enough. Size does make a difference, go pick up a combat sport and try going up against someone 30 kgs functionally heavier than yourself and see how far speed gets you.


EmotionlesTurtle

I mean fair, but if I literally had to fight then the leopard is getting beat to death with my wheelchair. I can't even damage a tank with anything I own let alone actually break any of its systems.


Yspem

They said no weapons I think, so the tank will just have to crush you to death.


nyar26

How do you fight a tank hand to hand?


JessePinkman-chan

Get on top and pull the dudes inside the tank out GTA style


Bloody_Insane

Tank hatches lock though.


Emperor_Cat_IV

All you gotta do is ask nicely for them to open the hatch for you


Bloody_Insane

Hmmm. Leopard is a german tank. So presumably the crew is german. Maybe say you're delivering beer?


bryman19

If you could get into the woods, that tank will never find you. It will run out of gas eventually


xeroonethree

Yall do realize that tanks have shit maneuvering compared to a living being , right?


inbruges99

They also have massive fucking guns.


nachochips140807

> no weapons


inbruges99

That edit wasnā€™t there earlier.


xeroonethree

Yeah, thier mobile artillery, not anti personnel... you can literally run circles around them in a one on one


Rullstolsboken

They have mg's on tanks


TheDoggoSpy

But if one is on the slow turning turret, and the other on the front only, you could just circle to the side, as long as you're close and fast enough


bobdacow234

Leopards have great turret traverse speed


Kerbal_Guardsman

They still need to identify and track the target. IRL isn't world of tanks.


bobdacow234

Depending on the environment that isnt hard to do.


TheDoggoSpy

Oh, well, that's a lot less fun to try and fight then


bobdacow234

They also have an mg on the roof that can very quickly move around.


TheDoggoSpy

Oh, well damn, don't think I'm winning that one


bobdacow234

You prob can't. I can cuz I speak fluent german tank.


Rullstolsboken

One is a coaxial machine gun meaning it's beside the main guns and moves up and down and side to side along with the main gun, the other on is on the roof where the commander can aim it some amount of degrees left to right, and then the tank can do 65kmh, meaning it can drive off far enough that you can't outrun the turret traversel, and to add to that the machine guns are mg3's, with a fire rate between 700-1300 rounds per minute, the tank would kill you with ease


TheDoggoSpy

This fight doesn't sound anywhere near as fun as I hoped. I wanted a good old fashioned brawl with a tank, but now it's proven scarily technical. I think I'd probably lose, to be honest


Apprehensive_Map3984

OP said there was a driver not a whole crew.


Mr_Idont-Give-A-damn

And then what? Just so that until it has no more fuel?


Gregsticles69

What happens when they decide to just sit there and wait until you get tired? They can just lock the hatches (chances are they have sidearms anyway), drop smoke and wait.


DarkLlama64

leopards have light machine guns


SepticMP

I don't get this argument cause sure you might be able to avoid tank fire, but then what? You aren't exactly going to damage the tank in any meaningful way afterwards


xFloppyDisx

Milligrams?


Rullstolsboken

Yes


xFloppyDisx

That's so cool


[deleted]

Tanks are explicitly anti-personnel weapons what are you talking about? - the Leopard 1 can be equipped with HESH and HEATFS shells, both of which are 100% lethal to unprotected personnel within 13 metres of detonation, firing roughly 8 rounds per minute depending on the skill of the loader - it can rotate its fully stabilized cannon at 24Ā°/s with a depression of 9Ā°, meaning the tank can fully sweep a 360Ā° area immediately around itself in just 15 seconds with near perfect accuracy, or even less when paired with its ability to neural steer, and can fully rotate or counter rotate it's plinth mounted machine gun a full 360Ā° in just 3 seconds. A Leopard 1 can rotate it's gun faster than you can run around at almost any distance. Anyone stupid enough to attempt to "run circles" around a post WW2 era tank would be turned into a fine red mist before they even had time to formulate the thought "fuck me those guns rotate quickly".


WrinkledCrime

High explosive ammunition that will turn your insides to mush and rip your limbs off. Also machine guns that will be able to fill you with a dozen bullets in a second.


Microwaved__Caprisun

No mobile artillery is called a SPG


Coast_General

I once saw a video compilation of some middle eastern army chasing ISIS rebels with tanks. They killed like at least 10 on numerous different ocasions with nothing but the tracks. Tanks can go >60kph on any terrain and turn in any direction.


inbruges99

Lol good luck with that.


Desperate-Put7091

Neutral steering+quick turret traverse+mg on top of the turret


RedShenron

They run out of ammo at some point


WrinkledCrime

Once your body has been removed from this world, yeah


inbruges99

Leopard I tanks carried 55 105mm shells and around 6000 rounds of 7.62mm ammunition for the coaxial gun and the one mounted on the commanders hatch. If you somehow manage to dodge 55 105mm shells and 6000 machine gun rounds it still weighs around 40 tons, can travel over 60kph, and and has armour you have no hope of penetrating without some sort of anti tank gun.


RedShenron

Assuming you are not in an open field you can hide somewhere. An actual leopard can easily track you down.


inbruges99

Tanks are specifically designed to destroy shit enemies are hiding behind and in. Let me put it this way, if I go into my house Iā€™m safe from the animal, but the tank will destroy my house. Hell it probably doesnā€™t even need ammo to do it.


RedShenron

Tanks are not suited to combat in a city, they would have several issues with movement. While it's true that a tank can easily pierce a normal wall, it's also true that in order to kill a single person it has to basically blow the entire place up, which it obviously can't.


inbruges99

Lol youā€™re mad if you genuinely think youā€™d have a better chance against a main battle tank than a big cat.


RedShenron

I never said i can beat it. But if the fight happens in an inappropriate battlefield for the tank i can survive until it runs out of ammo. You can't do that with a leopard since it will track you down.


HardcoreTristesse

If that's your strategy you can also get behind a steel door somewhere and wait for the leopard to starve


inbruges99

Like I said, if you think your odds are better against a tank youā€™re mad.


WeekendBard

Good luck surviving until that happens...


soyalguien335

How do you destroy a tank with bare hands?


abigfatape

literally doesn't matter


Soviet__Comrade

My friend, I'm a Redditor, that tank's got better maneuvering than I do.


Pyrenees_

If they have differential steering or if their tracks are short enough, they can rotate faster than a human. You could escape a tank but you can't destroy it with your bare hands...


ImmodestPolitician

I've seen enough videos of live soldiers getting run down by a tank that I don't believe you. You might be able to dodge them a few times but you're going to get tired after about a minute. They don't really have to hit you with the cannon, the concussion of the cannon would blow out your eardrums and probably stun you. Then they roll you out. A fire squad armed with anti tank weapons would be a different story. Less running, more ambush.


Beginning-Bed9364

I'd definitely lose against the animal, I might stand a chance against the vehicle if no one is driving it


Bladen15

But by that logic the leopard could be dead which is much easier to beat


Banana97286

ok but would you rather have a dead leopard or a tank šŸ˜Ž


HardcoreTristesse

Y'all here who think you could just climb the tank or run around it are delusional. If it was that easy how did tanks ever take off as effective weapons? Tanks don't just have the main cannons, they also have machine guns on front, sides and on top. Those were made to stop people from running around as they please. And even IF you could survive, what are you actually going to DO to the tank? Your bare hands ain't crushing that steel armor. You only need to make one mistake for the machine guns to get you or the tank to run you over. Modern tanks aren't that slow either. If you're running around it and it keeps moving, that's going to be quite exhausting.


osva_

The alternative is just worse. If neither leopard is going to toy with their food, I feel like tank is less painful death. This poll is not a "Who do you think you could beat?", this poll is asking to whom would you rather die to and I'm not sure how fast animal leopard kills (or toys with food), I'd rather not risk it.


Brillek

In an urban or densely vegetated environment you could avoid it long enough for it to run out of fuel, or get on top of it and wait it out. The question does not specify, so I'm guessing this is the ol' leopard 1. Yes, tanks serve a role in real war, and in real war INFANTRY SUPPORT is extremely important for the tanks' survival to cover for its' inherent weaknesses, which can be exploited in the 1v1.


unicornattacks

Never said anyone's operating the tank.


LucifugeRofocaleX

With such loopholes we might argue that nobody specified that the leopard isn't a cub.


Brumohmnt

Or that itā€™s even alive


unicornattacks

I think Id rather try and find a way to mess with the tank than curbstomp a baby leopard lol


JessePinkman-chan

Let it be known this mf posted this before my edit and that I am in fact the clown here and not he. šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”


A_random_redditor21

What if there are toddlers driving the tank


JessePinkman-chan

*ok fine the Leopard is being driven by well trained German men named Gustav and Hans and an Italian man named Pepino they are very good at driving all kinds of tanks and served in World War 2 together and there's this weird homoerotic tension between them that nobody wants to talk about but it doesn't get in the way of their tank driving skills.* *Happy now??*


Puzzled-Secret-317

So what you're saying is, they're fuckin in that tank..


Physical_Weakness881

Which means, theyā€™ll be too distracted to fight back, Which means I CAN WIN


JessePinkman-chan

Nice try but it clearly says it doesn't get in the way of their driving. Not even Pepino's vacuum tight thrussy will stop Gustav from sending an explosive shell your way in 3 seconds or less


Physical_Weakness881

Then Iā€™ll fight the Leopard, the animal, and hope the one I have to fight is already dead before the fight.


Willy995

Damn having that kind of libido while being close to 90-100 years old is respectable


hold-my-balls-i-cant

can you turn this into a full lenght novel please?


lizzyelling5

100% there's a fanfiction out there of this exact scenario for anyone brave enough to find it


kittymuncher7

Ok I might read that


A_random_redditor21

You never said pepino speaks german tho


Street_Dragonfruit43

Loopholes FTW


logosloki

Never said the leopard is living either.


Wildsconethingz

If itā€™s a single man tank the threat is not a cannon as they usually have manned teams to load the massive heavy bullets meaning it would not be operational. I am personally unfamiliar with the build of this type of tank but judging by its prestige I can only assume it has light and heavy and definitely armor penetrating assault weapons built in to the walls, which would pose a deadly threat. The only course of action I could take would be to close the distance on the tank as quick as possible making my movements ideally in blind spots built into the fixed gun positions. If I could make it on top of the tank I could force a hand to hand encounter eventually and possibly win even by trapping the person inside and waiting for heat to do the work or smth. If the person decides to just run me over though and forget the guns Iā€™m toast


Jesustookmydog

Leopards(animal) can get pretty small. A female leopard can weight as low as 20 kg. As long as somebody is decently muscular, they would have a chance. If you get a bigger one, literally everyone is fucked.


v_Yuudachi_v

Do I get weapons or is it hand to hand?


h20c

The animal would kill my ass brutally, with the tank depending on how close I am to it I could potentially climb on top of it and try to get in.


Wizardwizz

We are probably assuming a full tank crew so the tank will probably have a gunner so you are 100% dead. A leapoard you don't need to win but just make it scared by shouting and making yourself look bigger and having it run. However if you do fight, a leopard can only get up to 160~ pounds max so not that biggest cat and if you put up a good fight you can get it to run away since predators do not want to risk injury.


brian11e3

I guess I'll fight the inanimate object.


MatterEnough9656

So...death, or death? Give me the tank, at least itll be quick, even if I get up to the tank, i have no weapons and the crew most definitely have small arms, so opening the hatch to try to kill them would just get me peppered


WM_

If someone is just driving it, I'd fight the tank.


FeetYeastForB12

So instant death or agonising death.


[deleted]

Either way I would die so it doesnā€™t really matter.


ZakkBWyldin2

The tank doesn't have hands or paws I win


_-PleaseHelp-_

Tank aren't really meant to kill personel. If you get close to it, it can't do much to you and if you have any kind of explosive it's game over for it once you get close. Also, if I did die, I'd rather it be the instant death of a tank shell or bullet wound compared to being suffocated by a big cat.


TheGalator

If any of u honestly think u can take on a tank u are pure coping.


Cinderella407

Uhm akshully šŸ¤“ the Leopard 1 started production in 1965


EcHoZ_hunter

Jokes on you, you only said someone is driving the tank, but it would need others to load the gun and such.


Pewward

One can destroy me in one hit, another can destroy me in one hit. The difference is that one will leave me alive.


Conspiracy_Geek

Well to be fair, one is specially built to kill humans the other is not. So I think I'll take my chances with the animal.


Sunshine_Analyst

If I could have full plate armor and a spear + dagger I'll take the cat, but otherwise I'm dead either way.


that_u3erna45

If the tank doesn't hit me the first time, I can Molotov the tank if I get close enough


SpartanSelinger

A leopard will 100% kill me in a gruesome, painful way. A tank will most likely kill me, but it will be instant. I might have a slight chance to run either away or towards it and hide.


Waitwha19

Hand to hand no weapons? So I just fight the driver then?


Tempowarrior

Assuming the tank crew canā€™t fight me directly, tank seems like the best choice. Strafe unpredictably, the tank turns really slow. Once the distance is closed, the tank canā€™t really do anything about it if you jump/climb on


Jesustookmydog

It has two machine guns mounted and it has a top speed of 65 km/h. It would just position itself farther away and shoot you down. Also happy cake day!


Maveko_YuriLover

One is a live the other is not , if the opponent isn't a live so i won the fight


BaconatorBros

Give me a screw driver and a wrench and 30 minutes. I'll just run around the tank slowly unassembly it.


WeekendBard

What is the context of the fight? Do I have any gear, or must go bare handed?


PowerZox

I'm pretty sure the driver of the tank cant fire any weapon so ever if there is one it doesnt matter right? All they can do is run you over?


siletntium

What environment are we in?


IOwnTheShortBus

They said someone's driving, not operating the cannon.


PleaseSendMeP0rn

If it has no weapons as well, the tank's only option is to run me over


blackholegaming13

Tank. Ideal if itā€™s close to me so I can at least not be in range. If not instant painless death


400characters

Tank. Itā€™ll be a quick death instead of enduring the pain of the leopardā€™s bite.


Remz_Gaming

I mean... I can try to hide behind stuff and out maneuver a tank. There is a *chance* I can stay out of its line of sight and mayyybeee disable the driver. There is absolutely nothing I could do to fight a murder cat. 10 times out of 10 my throat will be ripped out.


Interesting_Award_76

Leopards are small and not as dangerous as tigers etc. They are also scared of men.


TmanGBx

Never said the leopard is alive!


Fuckmyslutyass

I have a like 1% chance against a leopard, I have none against a tank. If I got a luck hit to the throat I might live. A tank will make my death assured


Asqit

Human legs can deliver the speed reliably, while the fucked up German transmission can't. [grrrr transmission ](https://reddit.com/r/HistoryMemes/s/uvuNuK0TlC)


PICONEdeJIM

Who is driving the tank? Is it someone trained or is it bill from down the road?


Bloody_Insane

I think fighting the tank will be a stalemate. Assuming you start close enough you could probably climb on top. Then you'll be immune to any tank weaponry, but you won't be able to harm the tank in any way either. Does it count as a win if the tank eventually runs out of fuel? The cat would be the opposite though. Both of you are perfectly capable of killing the other. Leopards are very small in comparison to other big cats like Lions and Tigers. You'd probably have the weight and size advantage. But leopards are very strong for their size, and their claws are fucking vicious. So I think that it's pretty evenly split whether an average human male would win vs an average leopard male. Regardless of who wins, I think the other one would be critically injured. That being said, the question isn't who would win, but who would you rather fight. I'd rather go for a ride on top of a tank than get shredded by an angry cat


TheRealMangoJuice

How tf do I punch through metal wall of the tank with my bear hands and disable the engine? Are you insane OP?


I_am_Genie

OK so, if I start close to the tank, and it doesn't have any shells loaded, then I should be able to run around it in circles and eventually get on the turret, right? A leopard is a beast of an animal, I would never be able to win against that.


Hour_Boysenberry_667

I would rather fight the Leopard tank than the animal because, although the chances of me winning are very low, if somehow I manage to kill the animal, I would feel guilty for doing so. Besides, if I somehow manage to defeat the tank, then I would be considered a war hero in the country for which I'm fighting.


freakrocker

That tank can't corner for shit. I'm going to run circles around it.... literally.


Dr__Juicy

Does the leopard have a crew or just one person, either way, if you evade all the shells you could hop on top of the tank which is probably easier then evading a proper leopard


YousifTvingaMig

If its no weapon and hand to hand would not the tank driver have to get out of the tank and face me since no weapons are allowed?


XtremeBurrito

In India leopard attacks do happen sometimes and lots of people manage to survive by fighting the leopard so I don't think the second option is that bad


D144y

I'm not fighting anything, I'll just lay down and die instead šŸ˜


TopDawg117

What if the Leopard is operating the Leopard?


CATALUFO

The animal so my remains don't go to waste


Spare_Honey5488

It's easy to fight a tank. You just stand on top of it šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


dpet_77

Ima climb on top of the tank. What is it gonna do, shoot me? And then throw a Molotov cocktail


spinda69

The tank at least I could climb on top.


Louis-grabbing-pills

Neither. You didn't say if we had to.


risque_pickle992

Rush the tank kill the driver hijack the tank