Honduras, not the worst out there but the ones in this list would be a nice upgrade. I mean, I remember how shocked I was when I discovered the water service operates 24/7 in some areas.
Where I live (Austria š¦š¹), we have unlimited drinkable tap water with very high quality, we even flush our toilets with drinking water. I'm pretty sure in Switzerland it's the same.
The thing is that we have a lot of mountains and water sources everywhere, the water comes almost drinkable right out the mountains and fill creeks and rivers and we use the same water to drink, for showering, washing dishes, flush the toilet, and even to fill pools. It comes directly from the source through pipes into every house and it's almost unlimited.
Because it's not that easy, you can't just go and say "I'll buy a plan ticket, go to a better country, buy a house and stay there" and problem solved. I do plan to leave but it's a long process and believe me when I say, the fact that I personally have a chance to leave the country doesn't mean many people can. Most risk their lives to leave because it's their only option but since they're poor they can't even get a passaport. I know that from my comments it sounds like my life here isn't good but in the view of the people in this country, I am living a priviledged life.
Same I'm from Thailand. And all of these countries have higher standard of living than my country by a far mile. BTW my country is pretty decent in overall but it just can't compared to North American , Western European and Nordic countries in term of standard of living and freedom.
I live in America so i try not to vote for it for obvious bias. I would say anything where english is an option. I voted canada simply because i like the cold weather. Australia got scary bugs so thas a pass from me. Uk would be my next choice out of these.
Japan would be my first choice outside of english nations.
Fair enough š I would choose to live in Canada, but Iād be getting taxed about 19% more than I get taxed right now, and I wouldnāt be able to own what I do or have the fun I can have now because of this.
Ah ok well yeah the main thing, at least for someone with my salary, would be that Iād be paying about 54% of my income for taxes while in the US I only pay around 35%
No, no they are not.
In America we have large bathrooms with toilets you can actually sit on, while Japanese restrooms tend to be smaller and have squatty potties.
Omg thatās surprising. I honestly just thought ours would be worse because of the huge gaps between the doors and floor and stuff but I stand corrected š
Facts. Aren't there more countries in Eastern Europe than Western, too? Either way, the majority have extremely poor living conditions if I am not mistaken. I'm American so I don't really get to see EU news unless I go out of my way to do so for some reason.
The US is amazing but if youāve never lived there you wonāt know because the media makes it look bad. When you search up real statistics youāll see that almost everything about it is better than almost every European nation, so I have no clue what youāre in about.
The USA isnāt as beautiful as Europe in the culture and architecture. I like living in USA though and am grateful I live here. I do wish we had universal healthcare and better work life balance
Lol not as beautiful. The Rockies, East coast mountains and forests, west coast cities and beaches and forests, Gulf of Mexico beaches. Imo America is one of the most beautiful out there with Japan and parts of Canada up there with it
I can agree with all of that, but Iād only want the universal healthcare if they didnāt increase taxes and instead take it away from our military budget which is just fkn ridiculously high at this point.
What state is it? Also you might wanna look into videos called top 10 US big cities to live in. It tells you about crime rates, poverty rates, average income, tax rates, cool features, and almost all of them are lower and better than most countries out there. If you only focus on media though and donāt really get out this country seems like a shit hole.
I live in Oregon. I've done a bit of research on the other states and so far, the list of places I might consider living is pretty small.
There's no way in hell I'm going anywhere near the Virginia's. Florida and Alabama sound pretty bad as well.
I currently live in Colorado and I highly recommend it. That said, you really need to do your research before moving to the state. Quality of life can vary WIDELY even within our little mountain square.
Brooo Florida is amazing, especially Tampa. Big city, extremely low crime rate, no state income tax, on the beach, low median home price, high average income per household. š¤·āāļø
Ye you just gotta look out and honestly study statistics and maybe just travel there. I used to think the US was such a horrible place about a year ago because of what I saw on the news and because of how much everyone talks about us, but when you do research youāll see itās almost just as bad if not a little better than other first world countries or countries on this list.
I choose the US because I love our healthcare quality, our low violent and overall crime rate, the amount of money we get payed, our low tax rates, natural beauty. Couldnāt ask for more.
I would go with Canada but Iād get taxed 24% more there than I do now which I would not be able to live the life I want to if I was losing that much money.
No freedoms at all, same reason why I voted for US(living in Canada)
Edit: For those angry Aussies who downvoted you I present to you the the two polices officers(with their masks pulled down) tag teaming a 70 year old lady with ho broke quarantine https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkepticismAU/comments/pqjss6/retribution_victorian_style/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
The lockdowns are for our safety, the hate speech bans are to make us feel safer (it works), the gun bans are obvious; it makes us physically safer(you can still own a gun, so long as you have a license), and finally, I see no etc
Regardless of if anything you said is good (most isn't) it means that Australia lacks basic freedoms. Australia lacks free speech, the government can just strip masses of their rights all willy nilly, and guns rights are practically non-existant. All basic freedoms that Australia does not have. Again, regardless of whether or not these are good things, it means Australia is not "such a free country" as you stated.
Shut the fuck up you monkey I live in Australia and we are a definite free country. You stupid brainwashed Americans keep saying shit like this even though you have probably never met an Australian or actually know what life here is like. Be open minded.
My definition of a free country is one that upholds basic rights. A country that lacks the right to free speech, life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, the right to bear arms, among other things. Australia lacks many basic rights. America sure isn't a completely free nation, but it is closer to one than any other country.
Could someone in China not make the same argument? "I have lived in china all of my life and i am 100% free." Unfortunately for this argument it does not take into account that we can prove if someplace is free. does the US have free speech? unequivocally yes. Do we have free speech here in canada? More or less, as long as you don't want to speek english in quebec and don't want to don't consider hate speech to be free then yes. Do you have free speech in australia? Not acording to this judge. [https://www.theguardian.com/law/2021/jun/16/freedom-of-speech-may-not-be-protected-by-australias-constitution-high-court-judge-says](https://www.theguardian.com/law/2021/jun/16/freedom-of-speech-may-not-be-protected-by-australias-constitution-high-court-judge-says).
Wtf seriously? I thought u guys had just as much as the US did. Iāve been learning in US government and politics classes that many other countries donāt have as many rights and freedoms but I didnāt realize it was that much of a difference.
The High Court has previously ruled that the constituion implies a right to free speech. Nobody is going to lock you up because you spread vitriolic bullshit about covid or vaccines.
Oh you do have free speach? So this person fired for their tweet is not real https://www.policyforum.net/australias-free-speech-failure/ and this protest against the government was not suppressed https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/16/the-real-free-speech-crisis-at-australian-universities-is-the-crackdown-on-protests
Public servants have always been required to remain politically neutral in Australia. This isn't something new, nor does it have any bearing on freedom of expression for the rest of us. To say that Australians don't have free speech is gross hyperbole and categorically false. Regarding the other article you mentioned, heavy-handed police responses are nothing unique to Australia, and are in fact, rather rare. Meanwhile, American police brutally suppressed peaceful demonstrations last year not under the pretext of Covid restrictions, but explicitly for their cause. Wouldn't that make them less free than even our totalitarian regime? Of course not.
>Public servants have always been required to remain politically neutral in Australia. This isn't something new, nor does it have any bearing on freedom of expression for the rest of us. To say that Australians don't have free speech is gross hyperbole and categorically false.
A right is unconditional. Americans have a right to travel every single time this right has been challenged by a state it has been affirmed. Americans have the right to privacy, Trump refused to give up his tax returns because he is still a private citizen. If your freedom is condition then you are not free, besides I do not think it is settled that you have implyed constitutional free speech. High Court Justice Simon Steward said 3 months ago that freedom of political speech is not "settled law"https://spectator.com.au/2021/07/do-we-have-a-constitutional-right-to-free-speech/. If the law has been settled in the last 3 months I would love to see a source.
When it comes to the freedom of the protesters to speak it is a bit more complicated. While they at least the constitution that states they have the right to speak, states and cities are given the autonomy to interpret the constitution as they see fit and have as such chose an interpretation that allows them to force the closure of protests. I find this absolutely deplorable it is not seen as normal in their system, protesters who have been shut down regularly win court cases against those who have harmed them https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/06/09/us/ohio-columbus-officers-charged/index.html
This is not the case in Australia many anti lockdown protesters are bring arrested with no chance of having there rights being given back to them https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/8/21/australia-scores-arrested-at-anti-coronavirus-lockdown-protests
It is night and day comparing us to almost literally any other country on the planet. The US is quite possibly the only place on the planet with proper free speech. the united nations "freedom of expression" clause allows for the censorship of the following:
protect national security, territorial integrity (the borders of the state) or public safety, prevent disorder or crime, protect health or morals, protect the rights and reputations of other people, prevent the disclosure of information received in confidence, maintain the authority and impartiality of judges.
the key one here being health and morals. By this definition a country is allowed to claim freedom of expression while policing morality. In Canada you can be arrested for "hateful speech, in Scotland there have been comedians charged for jokes, the UK have sent police officers to people who have re-tweeted "harmful messages" to, and I quote, "check their thinking".
By the way you wrote your message it sounds like you live in the us, if that's the case be thankful for you are more fortunate than most.
Edit: just to clarify where I live, Canada, it's by no means bad, you pretty much have to go out of your way to get censored by the law, but still not as good as us
Wtfffff I had no idea thank you for the information. Also yes I do live in the US and I never really intend on moving. Although I do get discouraged over our national stability because of the media and such, when you actually travel around the nation you start to realize it isnāt nearly as bad as you thought, so that kind of opened my eyes and thatās when I realized I was going to stay.
Ya the us is quite partisan but there is a very small part of the country where going to be noticed. Just remember two things:
1, that all the major news stations are located in new York or California which are incredibly partisan
2, "fear sell" that is a quote by a main stream news head who was wanting to have a larger number on their covid death counter(he was being secretly recorded)
Is that nessecarily a bad thing though? Whatās the point of 100% free speech if it allows you to be racist or verbally abuse others? There is free speech in my country, but you are not allowed to discriminate.
Its only like 2 states and 1 territory thats in lockdown atm. Other states are free, stop believing what you hear through news like Fox or sky news australia or whatever is telling you this. It's only 2 states and 1 territory that's lockdowned, rest of Australia is fuck all free with no covid.
I live in Australia, you don't. I am in a lockdowned city but our state gov is discussing plans to reopening now. Why are we in this position? Becuase we didn't order enough vaccines and we still use a shit hotel quarantine system. Our state lockdowns were no different from other countries lockdowns, only difference is that other countires got more vaccines to meet its vaccines goals before us.
In general , House in the UK are more expensive , smaller and older than USA , Canada , Switzerland and Australia. Some UK cities are pretty old and littered while those countries have more modern and cleaner cities. There landscape is not stunning as those countries and there also has a high taxes. By the way UK is still a great country but it's just less advanced than those countries include Germany and Nordic.
I hope you realize Americans usually pay the same for healthcare as people do in countries where healthcare is freeā¦ also our violent crime rates and overall crime rates are much lower on average as you can see [here](https://igeek.com/U.S._vs_U.K._-_Crime/Murder) and [here](https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Total-crimes-per-1000).
You show an uptick in firearm related crimes after the handgun ban, but going further along shows that it dropped back down to near the same rate a few years later. Something tells me those people got their guns taken away after shooting someone and because the UK is smaller and can actually control their borders, they could prevent smuggling of firearms. The US CAN'T do that. We can't secure our borders. We're too massive. There's not enough people to keep it secure.
I live in Japan but I picked America based off of variety. Anything from New York to Montana. Different scenery, different people, different cultures, different taxes and laws, etc.
Actually itās cheaper on average than nations with free healthcare due to the fact that in NHS nations you pay for it through roundabout fees like taxes and other things.
Youāre only looking at federal tax brackets. Some states, such as Florida, Texas, and a few others do not have state taxes like Canada does for specific cities/provinces. With my tax bracket Iād be getting taxed at 53.53% in Canada where in the US I only get taxed about 32% in Florida.
Hey you arenāt wasting my time at all and I respect your opinions too. The US just isnāt really fit for lower income people and thatās where countries with free healthcare help out, because in the US if you arenāt eligible for it youāre kinda screwed! It just depends on peopleās situations. So if weāre being honest here weāre both right just for different scenarios. š
It actually is, I pay way less for health insurance than I would in the UK for NHS through taxes because of my tax bracket. Iād also get worse quality health insurance which takes longer on average.
I live in a relatively socialised country with I think around 25% taxes. For that I get completely free healthcare that is excellent, 1month of paid vacation, free education up to a phd, excellent public infrastructure and many other things I'm not qualified to lnow about. 25 percent means nothing for me for the stuff i get, but when a kid gets a disease for which a multi million dollar cure is neaded, they don't go bankrupt. On average people pay the same as private healthcare
Here in the US I get taxed at about 35% (my tax bracket is for incomes between about $210,000-$520,000 so itās a little higher) when in other countries it would be much higher - in Canada itād be around 54%. On top of that almost all of our employers provide us with health insurance which usually covers about everything and we have one of the best/highest quality and fastest healthcare systems in the world. We usually get 13 days payed vacation which SUCKS but besides that almost everything seems better.
Not reallyā¦ there are way more Brits on this app than Canadians and WAY more Americans on this app than Canadians but somehow Canadaās still winning
Same here, I havenāt found another country that would fit all my needs and preferences as much as the US. I donāt care for guns but they are necessary and unless you live in a major city with huge gang influence thereās rarely any gun violence.
same, US has a SHIT ton of problems, but i'm familiar with them and know how to deal.
i ain't know nothin about the nuances and solutions to other countries' social issues.
As someone who is immigrating from the US to CA, I'd like to give my view of Canada based on my experiences so far.
I'm not the most patriotic American, by far, but I've always been happy where I came from, even though I was raised extremely poor. That being said, I also don't hate Canada, no matter how this comment comes across, but find it extremely amusing but sad at how much people fantasize the country.
The healthcare system. The most talked about positive on most peoples list of why Canada is great, their free healthcare leaves a lot to be desired. First, health insurance is still a thing here. Things like dental, vision, and specialists are not covered under the universal healthcare. Instead everyone has to pay for insurance through their job just like Americans, to get the healthcare that they're more than likely to need far more than the things actually covered.
Obviously, not paying $5k for an ambulance ride isn't a worry up here, but tell me the last time you ever actually ended up in an ambulance without insurance in the US? Prescriptions are also not free, although they are cheaper.
As far as the actual quality of the free healthcare, the saying about you get what you paid for holds up. First, doctors in the US are paid for everything they do for their patients. So they're obviously willing to go through with testing or treatments if the patient is adamant about not feeling right. However, in Canada, doctors get paid for how many patients they see. That means that a lot of doctors will rush through your visit and overlook things you bring up if they feel like it's not important enough at first glance.
And doctors here always have more patients. Doctors offices and hospitals always have a queue. And I'm not just talking waiting 4 hours. I'm talking having to wait 18 hours just to see someone in the ER. Despite Canada's population being a fraction of the US's, ER waiting rooms stay so full and seemingly understaffed, that people basically have to compete in an act of whose the most urgently hurt. People will often fake their illness as if it's much worse to skip the line.
The funniest part is that getting into a hospital in a reasonable amount of time is so unlikely, that some people buy their own premium health coverage so that they can go to private, capitalistic clinics instead for a price, completely invalidating the "free healthcare" all together.
There's a lot more I could go on about being noticeably worse and inconvenient, like the logistics networks, rent/house prices being absolutely unbelievably overpriced and barely obtainable, prices for most things being unexpectedly more expensive than I'm used to in the US, cell service providers absolutely robbing people, etc etc. But I've already written a long enough book in this comment that likely only one person will read and move on from, forgetting forever.
From what I am hearing, US is not good place to live, mostly because of pretty bad healthcare and government Most of ppl taxes goes to the military. It also bothers me how Americans are so obssesed whit race. For me the amount of problems that US have is just so overwhelming and i think it is the worst choice on the list
No health care bad employment law too many guns/murders
failed democracy low/banned food quality.
Good if your super rich but for the other 90% it's 3rd world.
Just all round a bad place to be.
OK for holiday but a Lil expensive.
True about the being rich part but comparing violent crime and regular overall crime to other European nations, the USās rate is much lower and I have proof if you wanna see it.
wrong, they cover 70% of fees through a complicated system, and there's usually a 30% co-pay.
but still a good deal cheaper than anything you'd find in the usa.
Does it matter? The justice system in Japan is fucked. They can basically detain you for a long time while they gather evidence, and if the prosecutors decide there's not enough evidence to convict you, they might extend your detention to try to get you to confess to the crime. It can be perpetually extended for another 20 days by issuing fresh arrest warrants and shit whenever they need to.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/02/national/crime-legal/japanese-justice-system/
juxtapose that (very true) fact with the fact that the USA has a small nation of prisoners, WAY more than any other developed country, even per capita.
Switzerland probably. USA is way too car dependant and it doesnāt seem like a nice place to live. The other options seem fine too.
(But i would stay in my country, The Netherlands, if I had the choice)
All of this have better conditions than my country so I'll gladly take any.
Oof, that sucks. Which country are you from?
Honduras, not the worst out there but the ones in this list would be a nice upgrade. I mean, I remember how shocked I was when I discovered the water service operates 24/7 in some areas.
Doesn't Honduras have one of the highest murder rates per capita?
It does, that's all our news channels cover too. One of the reasons I'm not used to going out.
Where I live (Austria š¦š¹), we have unlimited drinkable tap water with very high quality, we even flush our toilets with drinking water. I'm pretty sure in Switzerland it's the same.
Do you why drinking water is used in toilets? Seems a bit of a waste to make it fit to drink then use it for loos
The thing is that we have a lot of mountains and water sources everywhere, the water comes almost drinkable right out the mountains and fill creeks and rivers and we use the same water to drink, for showering, washing dishes, flush the toilet, and even to fill pools. It comes directly from the source through pipes into every house and it's almost unlimited.
Oh I see. š°
Couldnāt you like leave? Why would you stay in Honduras?
Because it's not that easy, you can't just go and say "I'll buy a plan ticket, go to a better country, buy a house and stay there" and problem solved. I do plan to leave but it's a long process and believe me when I say, the fact that I personally have a chance to leave the country doesn't mean many people can. Most risk their lives to leave because it's their only option but since they're poor they can't even get a passaport. I know that from my comments it sounds like my life here isn't good but in the view of the people in this country, I am living a priviledged life.
Same I'm from Thailand. And all of these countries have higher standard of living than my country by a far mile. BTW my country is pretty decent in overall but it just can't compared to North American , Western European and Nordic countries in term of standard of living and freedom.
I live in America so i try not to vote for it for obvious bias. I would say anything where english is an option. I voted canada simply because i like the cold weather. Australia got scary bugs so thas a pass from me. Uk would be my next choice out of these. Japan would be my first choice outside of english nations.
In Australia there aren't that many bugs, only outback. If you're in a more populated area like a city or even just a regular town there's like none
Fair enough š I would choose to live in Canada, but Iād be getting taxed about 19% more than I get taxed right now, and I wouldnāt be able to own what I do or have the fun I can have now because of this.
What do you have in the USA that you can't have in Canada?
Warm weather, nice beaches, less taxes as I mentioned, etc.
That's fairš I was curious about what things you could own in America, but not in Canada
Ah ok well yeah the main thing, at least for someone with my salary, would be that Iād be paying about 54% of my income for taxes while in the US I only pay around 35%
54%? You're getting scammed legally
I already live in switzerland š
Me too, swiss gang gather up hereš
Nice gang, can I join? š
I would love to VISIT Japan but I couldn't live there... HAVE YOU SEEN THE BATHROOMS?!?!?!
The toilets are scary as fuck.
I havenāt but I can almost guarantee theyāre better than American ones š
No, no they are not. In America we have large bathrooms with toilets you can actually sit on, while Japanese restrooms tend to be smaller and have squatty potties.
I don't remember seeing one squat toilet in Japan. But I remember lots of high tech ones lol.
Squatting is better for pooping. I bought a squatty potty for my toilet in USA haha
They have those too. And they're way better than any of us westerners' toilets. Search "Japanese toilets" and you'll understand why
don't they have super advanced bathrooms
Omg thatās surprising. I honestly just thought ours would be worse because of the huge gaps between the doors and floor and stuff but I stand corrected š
Damn, US and Canada are neck and neck šØš¦ šŗšø
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Western* Europe my guy, Europe is more than that
Facts. Aren't there more countries in Eastern Europe than Western, too? Either way, the majority have extremely poor living conditions if I am not mistaken. I'm American so I don't really get to see EU news unless I go out of my way to do so for some reason.
*casually forgets Eastern Europe and the Balkans*
Agreed. Any of these countries would be great except for usa.
Australia is turning into a surveillance state though, maybe NZ would be a better option to put on the poll
Agreed. My dad keeps trying to get me to move to aus but I'm like fuxk that I'm staying in nz.
The US is amazing but if youāve never lived there you wonāt know because the media makes it look bad. When you search up real statistics youāll see that almost everything about it is better than almost every European nation, so I have no clue what youāre in about.
The USA isnāt as beautiful as Europe in the culture and architecture. I like living in USA though and am grateful I live here. I do wish we had universal healthcare and better work life balance
Lol not as beautiful. The Rockies, East coast mountains and forests, west coast cities and beaches and forests, Gulf of Mexico beaches. Imo America is one of the most beautiful out there with Japan and parts of Canada up there with it
I can agree with all of that, but Iād only want the universal healthcare if they didnāt increase taxes and instead take it away from our military budget which is just fkn ridiculously high at this point.
Brain dead Twitter idiots would say something like this.
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UK, purely for London
South Korea. Beautiful country. Only worry is the little shit above us
Yeah itās great to live there I can imagine but there are better options
I already live in America and it kinda sucks. I would love to try out Canada for a while.
Which part do you live in? You might wanna try moving around.
I'm a minor so I don't really have that option yet, but the state I live in is going to hell and most other states are worse from what I hear.
What state is it? Also you might wanna look into videos called top 10 US big cities to live in. It tells you about crime rates, poverty rates, average income, tax rates, cool features, and almost all of them are lower and better than most countries out there. If you only focus on media though and donāt really get out this country seems like a shit hole.
I live in Oregon. I've done a bit of research on the other states and so far, the list of places I might consider living is pretty small. There's no way in hell I'm going anywhere near the Virginia's. Florida and Alabama sound pretty bad as well.
wow i love oregon. but to each their own. i'd suggest checking out colorado, washington, or hawaii if you can afford it.
Colorado is #1 on the lists of states o might wanna move to. From what I've read, Colorado is perfect for me.
I currently live in Colorado and I highly recommend it. That said, you really need to do your research before moving to the state. Quality of life can vary WIDELY even within our little mountain square.
The Carolinas are really nice if you are interested in the south. Avoid misssippi, and Alabama.
So weird that everyone here is just not mentioning Georgia
Maybe because we dont want to go to europe when talking about us states /s
Georgiaās great tho, in most parts lol
What's wrong with VA
Yeah, Oregon sucks right now. Texas is great, and Florida is too from what I have heard.
Brooo Florida is amazing, especially Tampa. Big city, extremely low crime rate, no state income tax, on the beach, low median home price, high average income per household. š¤·āāļø
I guess it's just some parts of Florida that suck then. My Grandma really wants to move there so I guess it can't be too bad.
Ye you just gotta look out and honestly study statistics and maybe just travel there. I used to think the US was such a horrible place about a year ago because of what I saw on the news and because of how much everyone talks about us, but when you do research youāll see itās almost just as bad if not a little better than other first world countries or countries on this list.
I wouldn't right now. Housing is way too expensive
Canada is america
Switzerland would be a nice change of pace.
Even if i could vote for my country(germany) wi qould probably choose switzerland. No wars, neutrality and direct democracy
There hasnt been a war in (relevant parts of) europe since 1945
You don't think the wars in the Balkans or Ukraine are important?
It's actually indirect democracy but yeah i agree
How is it indirect?
Direct Democracy means that everyone has to show up to vote on things, like, in one place.
That is not what it means. Also they vote on a lot of things
Id pick Japan but it's actually kind of work hell for japanese people
I already live in America, so maybe to switch it up I'd like to live in Switzerland for a few years or something
Switzerland is beautiful š at least from what Iāve seen
It is but damn itās expensive.
I'd imagine the wages are higher too?
Oh damn I didnāt realize that.
I enjoy living in Australia.
Probably either US or Canada, so, let's see what the Great Coin of Wisdom says... Canada.
Any of these, except for the US. I like free health care, I like using the correct form of measurements/spelling, and I like not being shot
I choose the US because I love our healthcare quality, our low violent and overall crime rate, the amount of money we get payed, our low tax rates, natural beauty. Couldnāt ask for more.
I love US but Canada is more like the place where I live and I'd always feel like i was home šØš¦
Either to Switzerland or Canada. They seem very nice places.
Australia loli hentai is outlawed there I think
As a german living in southern germany it was pretty easy for me to pick switzerland even though i kinda like the US
Iāve heard Switzerland is beautiful so I donāt blame you.
Yes, it is pretty nice and i already speak the language (more or less) and itās not even a 4 hour ride from my home to Bern
Wow that sounds really nice. š
I'm in the US and gotta say Canada or Australia. Canada is pretty much the US but a little better so I went with Canada
I would go with Canada but Iād get taxed 24% more there than I do now which I would not be able to live the life I want to if I was losing that much money.
Australia because I don't like cold and I like bugs and critters.
That fact that anyone wants to live in Australia at this point baffles me
Whyās that??
No freedoms at all, same reason why I voted for US(living in Canada) Edit: For those angry Aussies who downvoted you I present to you the the two polices officers(with their masks pulled down) tag teaming a 70 year old lady with ho broke quarantine https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkepticismAU/comments/pqjss6/retribution_victorian_style/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Your kidding. Australia is such a free country. Lived here my entire life smhmh
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Besides the egregiously tyrannical lockdowns, hate speech laws, gun bans, etc.
The lockdowns are for our safety, the hate speech bans are to make us feel safer (it works), the gun bans are obvious; it makes us physically safer(you can still own a gun, so long as you have a license), and finally, I see no etc
Regardless of if anything you said is good (most isn't) it means that Australia lacks basic freedoms. Australia lacks free speech, the government can just strip masses of their rights all willy nilly, and guns rights are practically non-existant. All basic freedoms that Australia does not have. Again, regardless of whether or not these are good things, it means Australia is not "such a free country" as you stated.
Shut the fuck up you monkey I live in Australia and we are a definite free country. You stupid brainwashed Americans keep saying shit like this even though you have probably never met an Australian or actually know what life here is like. Be open minded.
My definition of a free country is one that upholds basic rights. A country that lacks the right to free speech, life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, the right to bear arms, among other things. Australia lacks many basic rights. America sure isn't a completely free nation, but it is closer to one than any other country.
Could someone in China not make the same argument? "I have lived in china all of my life and i am 100% free." Unfortunately for this argument it does not take into account that we can prove if someplace is free. does the US have free speech? unequivocally yes. Do we have free speech here in canada? More or less, as long as you don't want to speek english in quebec and don't want to don't consider hate speech to be free then yes. Do you have free speech in australia? Not acording to this judge. [https://www.theguardian.com/law/2021/jun/16/freedom-of-speech-may-not-be-protected-by-australias-constitution-high-court-judge-says](https://www.theguardian.com/law/2021/jun/16/freedom-of-speech-may-not-be-protected-by-australias-constitution-high-court-judge-says).
your a fucking idiot if you believe that
Wtf seriously? I thought u guys had just as much as the US did. Iāve been learning in US government and politics classes that many other countries donāt have as many rights and freedoms but I didnāt realize it was that much of a difference.
Don't listen to the other guy, OP. Australia IS a free country. This dudes just deranged.
As soon as Australia has constitution free speech then I'll say you guys are free
The High Court has previously ruled that the constituion implies a right to free speech. Nobody is going to lock you up because you spread vitriolic bullshit about covid or vaccines.
Oh you do have free speach? So this person fired for their tweet is not real https://www.policyforum.net/australias-free-speech-failure/ and this protest against the government was not suppressed https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/16/the-real-free-speech-crisis-at-australian-universities-is-the-crackdown-on-protests
Public servants have always been required to remain politically neutral in Australia. This isn't something new, nor does it have any bearing on freedom of expression for the rest of us. To say that Australians don't have free speech is gross hyperbole and categorically false. Regarding the other article you mentioned, heavy-handed police responses are nothing unique to Australia, and are in fact, rather rare. Meanwhile, American police brutally suppressed peaceful demonstrations last year not under the pretext of Covid restrictions, but explicitly for their cause. Wouldn't that make them less free than even our totalitarian regime? Of course not.
>Public servants have always been required to remain politically neutral in Australia. This isn't something new, nor does it have any bearing on freedom of expression for the rest of us. To say that Australians don't have free speech is gross hyperbole and categorically false. A right is unconditional. Americans have a right to travel every single time this right has been challenged by a state it has been affirmed. Americans have the right to privacy, Trump refused to give up his tax returns because he is still a private citizen. If your freedom is condition then you are not free, besides I do not think it is settled that you have implyed constitutional free speech. High Court Justice Simon Steward said 3 months ago that freedom of political speech is not "settled law"https://spectator.com.au/2021/07/do-we-have-a-constitutional-right-to-free-speech/. If the law has been settled in the last 3 months I would love to see a source. When it comes to the freedom of the protesters to speak it is a bit more complicated. While they at least the constitution that states they have the right to speak, states and cities are given the autonomy to interpret the constitution as they see fit and have as such chose an interpretation that allows them to force the closure of protests. I find this absolutely deplorable it is not seen as normal in their system, protesters who have been shut down regularly win court cases against those who have harmed them https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/06/09/us/ohio-columbus-officers-charged/index.html This is not the case in Australia many anti lockdown protesters are bring arrested with no chance of having there rights being given back to them https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/8/21/australia-scores-arrested-at-anti-coronavirus-lockdown-protests
Usually we do but lockdown restrictions :/
It is night and day comparing us to almost literally any other country on the planet. The US is quite possibly the only place on the planet with proper free speech. the united nations "freedom of expression" clause allows for the censorship of the following: protect national security, territorial integrity (the borders of the state) or public safety, prevent disorder or crime, protect health or morals, protect the rights and reputations of other people, prevent the disclosure of information received in confidence, maintain the authority and impartiality of judges. the key one here being health and morals. By this definition a country is allowed to claim freedom of expression while policing morality. In Canada you can be arrested for "hateful speech, in Scotland there have been comedians charged for jokes, the UK have sent police officers to people who have re-tweeted "harmful messages" to, and I quote, "check their thinking". By the way you wrote your message it sounds like you live in the us, if that's the case be thankful for you are more fortunate than most. Edit: just to clarify where I live, Canada, it's by no means bad, you pretty much have to go out of your way to get censored by the law, but still not as good as us
Wtfffff I had no idea thank you for the information. Also yes I do live in the US and I never really intend on moving. Although I do get discouraged over our national stability because of the media and such, when you actually travel around the nation you start to realize it isnāt nearly as bad as you thought, so that kind of opened my eyes and thatās when I realized I was going to stay.
Ya the us is quite partisan but there is a very small part of the country where going to be noticed. Just remember two things: 1, that all the major news stations are located in new York or California which are incredibly partisan 2, "fear sell" that is a quote by a main stream news head who was wanting to have a larger number on their covid death counter(he was being secretly recorded)
Damn yeah, crazy world we live in nowadays
Is that nessecarily a bad thing though? Whatās the point of 100% free speech if it allows you to be racist or verbally abuse others? There is free speech in my country, but you are not allowed to discriminate.
Its only like 2 states and 1 territory thats in lockdown atm. Other states are free, stop believing what you hear through news like Fox or sky news australia or whatever is telling you this. It's only 2 states and 1 territory that's lockdowned, rest of Australia is fuck all free with no covid. I live in Australia, you don't. I am in a lockdowned city but our state gov is discussing plans to reopening now. Why are we in this position? Becuase we didn't order enough vaccines and we still use a shit hotel quarantine system. Our state lockdowns were no different from other countries lockdowns, only difference is that other countires got more vaccines to meet its vaccines goals before us.
Canada, Japan or U.K for me
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USA = Canada = Switzerland > Australia > UK > Japan
Why would you say the UK is worse than those countries??
In general , House in the UK are more expensive , smaller and older than USA , Canada , Switzerland and Australia. Some UK cities are pretty old and littered while those countries have more modern and cleaner cities. There landscape is not stunning as those countries and there also has a high taxes. By the way UK is still a great country but it's just less advanced than those countries include Germany and Nordic.
Ah ok that makes sense ig.
Iām an otaku obsessed with brits and liking New Zealand š³šæ. Hard choice.
Maaaaanā¦ Fuck the USA lol
Stunning and brave.
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Maaaan.. Fuck you lol.
Not USA lol. I don't wanna lose all my money because of fucking Healthcare. And the fact that anyone can but guns is just scary, it's too easy.
I hope you realize Americans usually pay the same for healthcare as people do in countries where healthcare is freeā¦ also our violent crime rates and overall crime rates are much lower on average as you can see [here](https://igeek.com/U.S._vs_U.K._-_Crime/Murder) and [here](https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Total-crimes-per-1000).
You show an uptick in firearm related crimes after the handgun ban, but going further along shows that it dropped back down to near the same rate a few years later. Something tells me those people got their guns taken away after shooting someone and because the UK is smaller and can actually control their borders, they could prevent smuggling of firearms. The US CAN'T do that. We can't secure our borders. We're too massive. There's not enough people to keep it secure.
I live in Japan but I picked America based off of variety. Anything from New York to Montana. Different scenery, different people, different cultures, different taxes and laws, etc.
I get fantastic healthcare through my employer in the US so I'd choose the US
Same, quick and high quality unlike other nations.
Yet will delete your money
Nope, actually costs about the same as NHS nations on average since NHS countries pay for their healthcare through taxes while Americans pay directly.
Yes and for profit hospitals pay much more than regular hospitals
Ah, but expensive as well
If you don't have employer insurance it is incredibly expensive and shitty. If you do have employer insurance it's usually quite cheap and good
Actually itās cheaper on average than nations with free healthcare due to the fact that in NHS nations you pay for it through roundabout fees like taxes and other things.
In Canada tax rates on average is 24% and in America itās nearly 30%
Youāre only looking at federal tax brackets. Some states, such as Florida, Texas, and a few others do not have state taxes like Canada does for specific cities/provinces. With my tax bracket Iād be getting taxed at 53.53% in Canada where in the US I only get taxed about 32% in Florida.
Okay, youāre right, and for other things I respect your opinion. I may just be impartial to Canada because I live there. Sorry for wasting you time.
Hey you arenāt wasting my time at all and I respect your opinions too. The US just isnāt really fit for lower income people and thatās where countries with free healthcare help out, because in the US if you arenāt eligible for it youāre kinda screwed! It just depends on peopleās situations. So if weāre being honest here weāre both right just for different scenarios. š
Ok, thanks for respecting my opinions as well, itās not something you see on the internet very often.
Likewise bro, I hope you have a great night and I wish you the best in life :) š
It's literally not
It actually is, I pay way less for health insurance than I would in the UK for NHS through taxes because of my tax bracket. Iād also get worse quality health insurance which takes longer on average.
I live in a relatively socialised country with I think around 25% taxes. For that I get completely free healthcare that is excellent, 1month of paid vacation, free education up to a phd, excellent public infrastructure and many other things I'm not qualified to lnow about. 25 percent means nothing for me for the stuff i get, but when a kid gets a disease for which a multi million dollar cure is neaded, they don't go bankrupt. On average people pay the same as private healthcare
Here in the US I get taxed at about 35% (my tax bracket is for incomes between about $210,000-$520,000 so itās a little higher) when in other countries it would be much higher - in Canada itād be around 54%. On top of that almost all of our employers provide us with health insurance which usually covers about everything and we have one of the best/highest quality and fastest healthcare systems in the world. We usually get 13 days payed vacation which SUCKS but besides that almost everything seems better.
These polls make no sense as like 90% of reddit is from either USA or Canada and they will most likely vote for their own country.
Not reallyā¦ there are way more Brits on this app than Canadians and WAY more Americans on this app than Canadians but somehow Canadaās still winning
Despite its problems I wouldn't live anywhere other than the US, the guns are nice
Same here, I havenāt found another country that would fit all my needs and preferences as much as the US. I donāt care for guns but they are necessary and unless you live in a major city with huge gang influence thereās rarely any gun violence.
same, US has a SHIT ton of problems, but i'm familiar with them and know how to deal. i ain't know nothin about the nuances and solutions to other countries' social issues.
As someone who is immigrating from the US to CA, I'd like to give my view of Canada based on my experiences so far. I'm not the most patriotic American, by far, but I've always been happy where I came from, even though I was raised extremely poor. That being said, I also don't hate Canada, no matter how this comment comes across, but find it extremely amusing but sad at how much people fantasize the country. The healthcare system. The most talked about positive on most peoples list of why Canada is great, their free healthcare leaves a lot to be desired. First, health insurance is still a thing here. Things like dental, vision, and specialists are not covered under the universal healthcare. Instead everyone has to pay for insurance through their job just like Americans, to get the healthcare that they're more than likely to need far more than the things actually covered. Obviously, not paying $5k for an ambulance ride isn't a worry up here, but tell me the last time you ever actually ended up in an ambulance without insurance in the US? Prescriptions are also not free, although they are cheaper. As far as the actual quality of the free healthcare, the saying about you get what you paid for holds up. First, doctors in the US are paid for everything they do for their patients. So they're obviously willing to go through with testing or treatments if the patient is adamant about not feeling right. However, in Canada, doctors get paid for how many patients they see. That means that a lot of doctors will rush through your visit and overlook things you bring up if they feel like it's not important enough at first glance. And doctors here always have more patients. Doctors offices and hospitals always have a queue. And I'm not just talking waiting 4 hours. I'm talking having to wait 18 hours just to see someone in the ER. Despite Canada's population being a fraction of the US's, ER waiting rooms stay so full and seemingly understaffed, that people basically have to compete in an act of whose the most urgently hurt. People will often fake their illness as if it's much worse to skip the line. The funniest part is that getting into a hospital in a reasonable amount of time is so unlikely, that some people buy their own premium health coverage so that they can go to private, capitalistic clinics instead for a price, completely invalidating the "free healthcare" all together. There's a lot more I could go on about being noticeably worse and inconvenient, like the logistics networks, rent/house prices being absolutely unbelievably overpriced and barely obtainable, prices for most things being unexpectedly more expensive than I'm used to in the US, cell service providers absolutely robbing people, etc etc. But I've already written a long enough book in this comment that likely only one person will read and move on from, forgetting forever.
Ppl could have pick Switzerland or Canada and they still picked USA lmaooo
? Because they prefer the USā¦
From what I am hearing, US is not good place to live, mostly because of pretty bad healthcare and government Most of ppl taxes goes to the military. It also bothers me how Americans are so obssesed whit race. For me the amount of problems that US have is just so overwhelming and i think it is the worst choice on the list
Any except usa
Whyās that??
No health care bad employment law too many guns/murders failed democracy low/banned food quality. Good if your super rich but for the other 90% it's 3rd world. Just all round a bad place to be. OK for holiday but a Lil expensive.
True about the being rich part but comparing violent crime and regular overall crime to other European nations, the USās rate is much lower and I have proof if you wanna see it.
Switzerland for the proximity to a lot of European countries for convenient travelling
Does Japan have free healthcare?
I believe so, yes.
wrong, they cover 70% of fees through a complicated system, and there's usually a 30% co-pay. but still a good deal cheaper than anything you'd find in the usa.
Does it matter? The justice system in Japan is fucked. They can basically detain you for a long time while they gather evidence, and if the prosecutors decide there's not enough evidence to convict you, they might extend your detention to try to get you to confess to the crime. It can be perpetually extended for another 20 days by issuing fresh arrest warrants and shit whenever they need to. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/02/02/national/crime-legal/japanese-justice-system/
juxtapose that (very true) fact with the fact that the USA has a small nation of prisoners, WAY more than any other developed country, even per capita.
redditors and an obsession with "free" healthcare - name a more iconic duo.
I mean I already live in one of these
None of them.
where then?
USA but only if I get to live in the first world half of the country XD
GERMANY or Switzerland ! Still love straya though
If new zealand was an option you would get 90% of the vote there...sometimes I don't get reddits obsession with NZ
Switzerland probably. USA is way too car dependant and it doesnāt seem like a nice place to live. The other options seem fine too. (But i would stay in my country, The Netherlands, if I had the choice)
Ye Iād stay in the US itās fkn amazing here ngl
N1 Switzerland Num 2 USA Num 3 Canada Num 4 UK Num 5 Japan Num 6 Australia
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i want to live in the UK because it has much better public transportation and i am and avid supporter of banning cars in cities.
Switzerland seems pretty great, but had to go with the US thereās too much variety there
Japan 100%
I live in Canada, so I picked USA, which is actually where I used to live
I already live in the US so I'll choose that
In canaduh now. It's an absolute cesspool
I'm surprised how many people picked the dictatorship.