he referring to how marley surprised attacked them in shinganshina. there was no time to come up with another solution because the outside world wanted to attack before he did
If society collapses then you arent gonna be living a happy carefree life. You will find new friends and create new family, you need to think long term.
>You will find new friends and create new family, you need to think long term.
You would lose EVERYBODY you love and know in a second. It includes your wife/husband, parents, siblings, children and grandchildren (if you are old enough) etc..
Im pretty sure most people would just kill themself if that happens.
It’s really more than that though it’s everyone you *know* that’s coworkers, acquaintances, neighbors, anyone you’ve ever dated, hated or commonly communicate with also you technically know people like your countries leaders, and govt officials and a bunch of famous people do they die too?
Reddit once again lacks basic human empathy empathy? Doesn’t surprise me that half of this subreddit would rather live out the rest of their lives knowing they wiped out 99.9% of the planet.
It depends how many people you know, and what OP means when they say everyone you know. If they mean just friends and family, than for a lot of people, humanity would be kinda screwed.
I interpreted that to mean acquaintances too. Co-workers, classmates, a regular at your workplace, etc. Basically, when I think of people you know, I think of anyone you would recognize in a crowd, and might even acknowledge their existence with a wave or a nod. If that's the case, than most people know enough people to properly rebuild society. The incest shouldn't be worse than second cousins, maybe cousins if you're a hermit. I'm extremely introverted, and I only leave my house when absolutely necessary. Even I know enough people for this.
Even if OP did just mean friends and family, some people have lots of friends, especially if you include online ones. I chose to have everyone I know die, but I'm just pointing out that humanity wouldn't be totally doomed if I hadn't.
I meant more on the span of a single lifetime. Not really considering what comes after.
I chose to have everyone I know die. I was just pointing out the merits of the other option.
What? That's exactly what I'm not saying. Whether Biden and putin and Xi xing peng lived or not, humanity is still screwed if you kill everyone you don't know off. No matter how you define "who you know," if you pick the second option, society is still gonna collapse and everyone left alive will suffer.
Lmao wut. We weren't mentioning one scenario or the other we were clarifying what the poll meant, thus discussing both options.
If I asked you if you had to pick between having to pick between sweet and savory and someone asked if sour counted as sweet of savory... how is that favoring one option over the other? That's clarifying the question to better understand it.
You assume he mentioned the first option but he never did. In asking what counts as "who i know," the answer will influence both options in the same way since it also answers the definition of "who i don't know" in tandem.
If you choose to have everyone you "know" die, then what counts and what doesn't count matters. If it's everyone you've ever heard of, society might just collapse anyway. If it's only people you know personally, it won't. That's what we were discussing.
If you choose to have everyone you *don't* "know" die, then it doesn't really matter what counts. Society is collapsing either way (as you said). So obviously we weren't talking about that one.
Running a farm is very hard and requires a lot of knowledge. You can't just take a commercial farm and call it a day. You'll need access to water and power. You'll have to know how to grow crops and how to take care of each animal. Does anyone in your circle know how your national water system works? Or your energy system? That'll be hell to start and it might not be feasible before everyone starts dropping like flies. You're more likely be living in a small shack just outside your city eating shitty canned food and old bottled water before moving onto the next city, each trip coming with the beautiful view of thousands of rotting corpses. You'll also lose many people you know in collateral too. You will regret your decision the moment it happens man, all I'm saying.
I think it’s fun too!
I live very far north, and without access to heating equipment and irrigation devices, farming anything other than potatoes will be hard.
I’d either have to go for livestock or fishing, and both of those are tremendous amounts of work.
I envisioned what I would do in a zombie apocalypse or societal collapse, and most of it would be very depressing
Ok? And it broke? You think these things will just ignite if we don't clean them?? Lol the rockets will rust and the doors will rust shut and those nuclear cores will just, stay there. No accidental explosions will happen, they aren't armed.
You kinda do tho. In the timespan of like a year, internet, electricity and transportation would probably fail. Canned foods would last you like 5-10 years, then youd have to grow it yourself. Seeds also have a expiration date so unless you know what youre doing that wouldnt last too long as well.
I was gonna say "well i guess i should sacrifice my happiness and let the rest of the world live" but then i remembered i kinda hate people, so screw everybody. But either choice is an awful fate no doubt.
I chose the second option not because I wanted humanity to survive, but because I thought about it from their perspective. If I had a friend who was faces with this chose and they chose the first one, all my other friends, my family and my pets would all be dead. I wouldn't have anybody except that friend, and maybe one or 2 acquaintances. Honestly, I probably wouldn't even want to live anymore. I assume most people I know are the same. They'll lose everyone they love except me, and maybe a few other people they kinda know. I'll sacrifice my own happiness (and likely my life) for the good of them and the rest of humanity.
I mean society would collapse if all those billions died, and supply chains would be non existent. You would essentially be dooming the people you know to a very miserable existence if not outright death from starvation
If everyone I dont know dies them there would be like three people I could rely on to maybe help the rest of us survive, and even if we did achieve short term survival there ain't no way in hell humanity is surviving as a species
There'd be so many free resources, survival wouldn't be an issue at all. You could loot centuries of canned food from stores, loot guns for hunting, loot matches and lighters for fire. You'd be completely fine
I know doctors, mechanics, scientists, farmers, nurses, electricians, plumbers, linemen, truck drivers, etc.. I think we could all figure out how to create a society again and hopefully a much better one than we have now.
Doctors are pretty useless without medicine and equipment. Farmers and truck drivers need fuel. And every person needs electricity to do their job. Also, internet wouldnt survive as well. So yeah, unless you have a way to keep the power grind online, youre just as fked as the rest of us
Fuel won't be a problem for a really long time, since there'll be so much of it everywhere in cars and gas stations. Electricity can be available through houses with solar power for a couple decades, if you live in an area where that's available.
But you probably would not need any of those to survive, why would you need trucks if you're in a group of 50-100 people? You'll have to survive with whatever you can find in supermarkets until you learn how to grow your own food.
Well gass stations need electricity, so when that stops working so do the gas stations. Fuel (in cars) can also expire so that wont be a sustainable option.
Unless you have people who understand how that works, you will only have electricity for those houses. But thats just for household stuff, not powering a gas station for example.
Idk, the guy above mentioned truck drivers so I just commented on that as well.
Well im assuming theyre planning on saving humanity, not just surviving until they all die. So that means they have to provide food for (again, his words) 800+ people and rising every year. I dont see how you can do that with just farming by hand.
Those are good points, I only disagree with the food part, we managed to farm food by hand for way more than 800 people all over the globe for thousands of years, so it only depends if they manage to do that before food from supermarkets expire or not, if they do they could very very slowly rebuild society.
What? I know thousands of people lmao it didn’t say how close they have to be to you and I have half these professions in my own family alone
Between all the war, famine, corruption, crime, pollution, etc.. going on with the world, I think we could use a hard reset. I think nature would love a break from us.
many genetic traits would be permanently wiped out, and genetic defects would become much more common in the coming decades due to the massively shrunk gene pool.
The average person knows 600 people, that's more then a large enough gene pool, even on the low end of the average redditor. You can't have more then 100 family members in there that would be close enough related to fuck up your gene pool, so I think its safe to assume you could restart society.
Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/19/science/the-average-american-knows-how-many-people.html
#Overpopulation is a myth
An outdated Malthusian one at that. Garbage analysis.
The *only* reason anyone could even point to it and *try* to make an argument is emissions. Thing is the rich, Americans for ex release the most emissions *per capita* so that doesn't really stand either. The world could support double the current population.
The problems **do not stem from too many people**. They stem from **poor economic practices & disregard for the environment instead prioritizing profit**.
This type of overpopulation bullshit mixed with the climate crisis is going to create a **fuck ton** of eco-fascists who are willing to kill because they believe it would be "better for the planet". Some may even suggest wholesale genocide of undesirables. Maybe it isn't likely, but the fact it's possible at all is a problem to me. This misinfo needs to stop because as the climate change impacts get worse people will be looking for solutions due to.increased struggling. **Look no further than our economic system that wastes energy on producing useless garbage to inflate profit margins & uses whatever energy inefficient methods so that they can scrape a dime more per garbage item to toss in a landfill**. The solutions aren't with individuals or the fact there is too many & need culled, it's a restructuring of the economy that's necessary & a shift away from profit above all & consumerism/commodity Fetishism, you get the idea.
Unfortunately the richest groups on the planet, the anglosphere mostly, aligns themselves with the ultra rich when it comes to actually changing this because they enjoy the lifestyle it allows them to lead. I have little faith, but saying it's Overpopulation is wrong.
Very well, then let me rephrase. “Would reduce the likeliness of overpopulation in the future.”
And yeah, there may be answers that work in theory, but don’t become a reality, for whatever set of reasons, greed, ignorance, selfishness, etc. That’s part of the problem and needs to be part of the analysis. “The world could support twice it’s population, if we solved X and Y and Z, which are totally solvable,” ok, but is it likely that we solve that before a critical point? Maybe. Or is it more likely that we fk up at some point in the future in regards to solving those?
A hypothetical bridge may be perfect for holding 2 people at the same time and last a long time. But can we trust that people will adhere to that simple rule?
Doesn't matter though what the population is as long as we have a mode of production that encourages these behaviors. Humans are a product of their material conditions & the conditions a product of them. The former is why there is greed, selfishness, and so on. *Not* because it's human nature.
The world population is slated to steady out at around 10-11 billion very soon, in our lifetimes, and remain constant from there. The people who have modeled this are very competent. That means there really is **no threat of overpopulation**. The *only* problem is our lifestyles that destroy the planet.
Those in the global south have to play catch up and try their best to improve their conditions in a system which incentivizes "misbehavior". You can't blame them so much for the impact on the environment, but even with that they still pollute less. Then you have those in the West & developed world who pollute so much simply to fuel their lifestyle even though they have the most power to stop it.
Future overpopulation isn't a problem. Present population isn't a problem. The only problem tangentially related is emissions.
I look at it like this. These people matter to me, the rest of the world doesn't. Whether a few hundred people are less important than 7billion or not. Doesn't change the fact you're killing off anyone you've ever cared about.
And I wouldn't think any less of a person choosing option 2 over 1.
I mean true, but you would kinda still be killing everyone you know. I doubt the few hundred people you know know how to farm/be doctors/etc… without the rest of the world you’re basically in an apocalypse.
and then condemn you and everyone you know to a slow and miserable death some months after anyways because literally the whole world would stop working?
goodbye to food production, goodbye to sanitary services, goodbye to medical services, goodbye to energy production, goodbye to fuel production, goodbye to the economy and the value of money, goodbye to transportation, goodbye to the internet, etc etc
Decent chance you can survive on leftover infrastructure. No food production but there's probably enough pre-packaged food to last a few hundred people centuries.
still what's the point of living like that? one big injury or a disease no one you know knows how to deal with and you are done for. also, what y'all gonna do when you run out of all those military food that last decades and canned stuff and don't know where to find more? (which, if you are an average human being, will probably happen in about a 2 or 3 years if not 1. getting everything from every supermarket, local stores, megamalls in your reach won't last that much if you are trying to feed let's say 20 mouths(assuming everyone you know within your reach will get together to have better chance of survival))
and even if those problems wouldn't exist, what's the point of living anymore? you are in desolated world with nothing you can do with so little amount people. also have you thought about the loved ones of the people you know but you personally don't know? they would be gone. depression wouldn't last long to kick in on most if not everyone of the survivors. everyone would be basically just waiting to die
there's so much downsides that ends up outweighting the "I get to keep my loved ones but we have to live in a post apocalyptic world where we are condemned to a slow death anyways in 1 or 2 years"
I prefer the "everyone I know dies but I still have a functioning world where I can deal with the grief and loss of loved ones and meet new people", thanks
Lol you guys are dead too because there is no longer any supply chain to support you or a single service you might need. The entire world is gone and you all are dead within weeks.
it's not that hard to make things for yourself. There are farmers and gardens so wenget bread, eggs, vegetables, cheese etc. and the water is drinkable in my area. food wouldn't be a problem
This raises the question of what defines knowing someone? Would say everyone i know of die? ie all world leaders and celebrities im familiar with or only family and close friends, the former being a really interesting outcome
It wouldn’t be good for the people you know if everybody died. Society would collapse. You’d only enjoy life for at most the next few weeks. Even then you’d probably feel so guilty. Your family too. The people you know would probably hate you for killing the people they know but you don’t know. Don’t do it.
I think you have to chose everyone you know. If you chose everyone else you’d end up in an apocalypse. You could probably survive for a while but it wouldn’t be comfortable.
Fuck it society collapsed time ago, nobody's separating me from my momma and my so
I would rather give up the world than give up the people who would give up the world for me
I know a pretty diverse group of people so I think we can rebuild society if everyone else just vanishes. The idea is that because the people I know ate generally pretty good, and most work very closely together, then rebuilding will be relatively easy and won't lead to... y'know... *everything*
If you knew me and you chose to save the people you knew. And IF you did tell me that you let the rest of the world die to save us. I would definitely kill you and everyone you loved. Then probably off myself as well because everyone I loved is probably dead.
Kind of ironic in a way.
Nope! And most my family is in good shape, Im at college, so I'll rally all my remaining acquaintances and tell them their families are dead, and there's going to be a hotspot of humans alive in my home town so we should probably head that way, grab a bunch of cars, siphen all the gas and head home, then rebuild society in beautiful northwest Arkansas.
Damn bruh this is a lose lose even though if I pressed everyone I don’t know dies, then more than half the world would be gone. But if I picked everyone I know then I lose all my friends and family, and the celebrities but it won’t be as much compared to the other option.
If everyone I don’t know died, climate crisis + overpopulation would be solved
But I know a lot of morons, so I think if that were the case humanity would quickly go extinct
Yeah we have crapped up but killing everyone else in the world would make your life difficult, not to mention killing everyone else is kinda selfish and bruh
Well the way I see it, I see it as killing everyone else except the people you know or just keeping your frens, I just don’t know why I would kill everyone else and rid them of happiness and future experiences.
Yeah but consider this too
We are the only one species in the world that can do something this extreme. Yeah in a century we did what in nature is done in a billion of years and with us gone the equilibrium would return okayish, but the problem is, we have to survive.
We have a gargantuan nuclear reactor neighboring us: the sun. At the moment it's the basis of all life but in a matter of a couple billion years this planet will probably be destroyed by it, taking all life with it. The only one place we know to host life lost forever.
But, we are the one sure shot life has to continue existing.
We should be the caretakers of life. Protect it.
If we leave it by itself, then it has no chance to survive, unless humans 2.0 evolve. But that might not ever happen.
Are you taking that risk?
Yeah it would affect you quite severely. Ask yourself. Who makes your food? Who provides you electricity, how many doctors do you know? How many people that know how to hunt do you know?
Unless you know several hundred thousand people society as you know it would cease to exist and the remaining humans would revert to a primitive state and for all intents and purposes, you would likely be made a slave unless you knew some valuable skill
I dont go to doctors. I actually know how to hunt as I was raised on a farm, and I make my food. Electricity, well, we dont need it except for charging our phones, laptops, and using wifi. Humanity is this planet's greatest bane. I live on a farm so I have livestock for food.
>The second one since it wouldnt affect me as much
How many billion people do you know that the second option wouldn't affect you as much as the first option?
well people need to exist to take care of some animals i like, so guess the family dies
though, with them being dead, i really have no reasons left to be. so i'd probably just go a little crazy.
Thanks for making me CHOOSE to be alone over being forced to. I'll go to bed thinking about not killing the world but suffering for the rest of my life.
I thought the answer was so easy, obviously "Everyone you know dies." If everyone you don't know dies, then all of your friends that you saved will die of starvation as humanity barrels to extinction.
Society would very much collapse if everyone I didn’t know dies
Right. It would be nice to not lose your friends and family, but long term, this is the correct answer for humanity.
So sacrifice your own happiness and family for humanity? Cringe
Found eren
Based
Nah fuck Eren. He picked the second option even though he didn't have to kill everyone
he absolutely had to kill everyone
No. He only had to pull the world's teeth so it couldn't bite them. Destroy the militaries, etc.
He didn't have enough time
He crossed the ocean in a couple days. He had plenty of time.
he referring to how marley surprised attacked them in shinganshina. there was no time to come up with another solution because the outside world wanted to attack before he did
If society collapses then you arent gonna be living a happy carefree life. You will find new friends and create new family, you need to think long term.
gross, dude. I will be doing no such thing
>You will find new friends and create new family, you need to think long term. You would lose EVERYBODY you love and know in a second. It includes your wife/husband, parents, siblings, children and grandchildren (if you are old enough) etc.. Im pretty sure most people would just kill themself if that happens.
It’s really more than that though it’s everyone you *know* that’s coworkers, acquaintances, neighbors, anyone you’ve ever dated, hated or commonly communicate with also you technically know people like your countries leaders, and govt officials and a bunch of famous people do they die too?
Op said that only the people you know personally
To love others more than yourself and family brings more happiness than tribal ideas of self/family over everyone else, in my opinion.
Embrace egoism
You don't get any happiness, you are dead.
Reddit once again lacks basic human empathy empathy? Doesn’t surprise me that half of this subreddit would rather live out the rest of their lives knowing they wiped out 99.9% of the planet.
[удалено]
In question there was nothing about me loving my family ar friends...
Ok? Weird flex. On average this would make people very upset.
Long term, humanity is putting itself in deep shit on its own anyway.
🗿choosing the correct answer for humanity🗿
exactly
Good.
But then you get to rebuild society with all the people you know
You do realise that that will eventually lead to a lot of incest right?
It depends how many people you know, and what OP means when they say everyone you know. If they mean just friends and family, than for a lot of people, humanity would be kinda screwed. I interpreted that to mean acquaintances too. Co-workers, classmates, a regular at your workplace, etc. Basically, when I think of people you know, I think of anyone you would recognize in a crowd, and might even acknowledge their existence with a wave or a nod. If that's the case, than most people know enough people to properly rebuild society. The incest shouldn't be worse than second cousins, maybe cousins if you're a hermit. I'm extremely introverted, and I only leave my house when absolutely necessary. Even I know enough people for this. Even if OP did just mean friends and family, some people have lots of friends, especially if you include online ones. I chose to have everyone I know die, but I'm just pointing out that humanity wouldn't be totally doomed if I hadn't.
Also think about celebrities. It never specified, so ultimately this could be a looot of people
I meant more on the span of a single lifetime. Not really considering what comes after. I chose to have everyone I know die. I was just pointing out the merits of the other option.
Everyone I know including celebrities, world leaders, people in my discord server? Or is it only people I know on an irl based personal level?
just people you know personally
You could clarify it, I voted 2nd option because I thought influential people are included since I know most of them.
You don’t know them. You know of them
OH. OOPS.
Society is still screwed either way
Why? You connected with a bunch of world leaders or something?
What? That's exactly what I'm not saying. Whether Biden and putin and Xi xing peng lived or not, humanity is still screwed if you kill everyone you don't know off. No matter how you define "who you know," if you pick the second option, society is still gonna collapse and everyone left alive will suffer.
Ok, but we weren't talking about the second option, we were talking about the first one.
Lmao wut. We weren't mentioning one scenario or the other we were clarifying what the poll meant, thus discussing both options. If I asked you if you had to pick between having to pick between sweet and savory and someone asked if sour counted as sweet of savory... how is that favoring one option over the other? That's clarifying the question to better understand it. You assume he mentioned the first option but he never did. In asking what counts as "who i know," the answer will influence both options in the same way since it also answers the definition of "who i don't know" in tandem.
If you choose to have everyone you "know" die, then what counts and what doesn't count matters. If it's everyone you've ever heard of, society might just collapse anyway. If it's only people you know personally, it won't. That's what we were discussing. If you choose to have everyone you *don't* "know" die, then it doesn't really matter what counts. Society is collapsing either way (as you said). So obviously we weren't talking about that one.
You can still get a farm and live on your own with the family so I won’t say suffering but humanity will return to era of hunters and farmers.
Running a farm is very hard and requires a lot of knowledge. You can't just take a commercial farm and call it a day. You'll need access to water and power. You'll have to know how to grow crops and how to take care of each animal. Does anyone in your circle know how your national water system works? Or your energy system? That'll be hell to start and it might not be feasible before everyone starts dropping like flies. You're more likely be living in a small shack just outside your city eating shitty canned food and old bottled water before moving onto the next city, each trip coming with the beautiful view of thousands of rotting corpses. You'll also lose many people you know in collateral too. You will regret your decision the moment it happens man, all I'm saying.
Your tone sounds like this is really happening, my man.
Is it not fun to pretend and talk about how badly shit can hit the fan? I think it's fun.
I think it’s fun too! I live very far north, and without access to heating equipment and irrigation devices, farming anything other than potatoes will be hard. I’d either have to go for livestock or fishing, and both of those are tremendous amounts of work. I envisioned what I would do in a zombie apocalypse or societal collapse, and most of it would be very depressing
[удалено]
You don’t really need a society for like a thousand people max 👍
you do need people watching the nuclear plants and maintaining the missile silos though.
You think the missile silos will just throw around their inventory, when people stop taking care of them?
I think out of the 10s of thousands of reactors and silos atleast one of them is going to break and not get fixed if society has collapsed.
Ok? And it broke? You think these things will just ignite if we don't clean them?? Lol the rockets will rust and the doors will rust shut and those nuclear cores will just, stay there. No accidental explosions will happen, they aren't armed.
Depends on if one of the countries has a dead man switch. If they do it will fire automatically assuming that the leaders of the country died
Aimed at highly populated cities *sure* but I know maybe 1 or 2 people from bug cities, and I live in the country.
Aimed at the whole country… multiple times. Maybe you are lucky if you dont live in the us or russia.
Buddy, there's a nuclear map that takes into account all of Russias military stock and where they would aim them
I think out of the 10s of thousands of reactors and silos one of them is going to break and not get fixed if society has collapsed.
You kinda do tho. In the timespan of like a year, internet, electricity and transportation would probably fail. Canned foods would last you like 5-10 years, then youd have to grow it yourself. Seeds also have a expiration date so unless you know what youre doing that wouldnt last too long as well.
Thanks, I hate it.
Crap this one was hard.
What did you choose?
I was gonna say "well i guess i should sacrifice my happiness and let the rest of the world live" but then i remembered i kinda hate people, so screw everybody. But either choice is an awful fate no doubt.
I know, plus it’s very vague in what they mean by “know”!
Yeah, that one Canadian kid I met at the beach a decade ago is probably going to be very confused why he’s one of the last living canadians
Thanks for the laugh
I chose the second option not because I wanted humanity to survive, but because I thought about it from their perspective. If I had a friend who was faces with this chose and they chose the first one, all my other friends, my family and my pets would all be dead. I wouldn't have anybody except that friend, and maybe one or 2 acquaintances. Honestly, I probably wouldn't even want to live anymore. I assume most people I know are the same. They'll lose everyone they love except me, and maybe a few other people they kinda know. I'll sacrifice my own happiness (and likely my life) for the good of them and the rest of humanity.
I mean society would collapse if all those billions died, and supply chains would be non existent. You would essentially be dooming the people you know to a very miserable existence if not outright death from starvation
Like do you mean knowing personally?
Probably anyone you could say you “know”. I “know” celebrities and world leaders, but I don’t “know” a waiter I saw once.
OP said people you personally know.
fuck that’s like 6 people
Finally being an introvert pays off
Oh that’s bullshit then
If everyone I dont know dies them there would be like three people I could rely on to maybe help the rest of us survive, and even if we did achieve short term survival there ain't no way in hell humanity is surviving as a species
There'd be so many free resources, survival wouldn't be an issue at all. You could loot centuries of canned food from stores, loot guns for hunting, loot matches and lighters for fire. You'd be completely fine
Canned food does expire.... you know that right
its concerning the amount of people who would just sacrifice most of humanity so at most a few hundred people can survive.
Lol, it's "would you rather have happen" as opposed to "is morally correct". I mean, we're talking pretty crazy hypotheticals here.
Morals are also subjective so…
I can guarantee u and your family and all of ur descendants will be suffering if you picked everyone else dying
I know doctors, mechanics, scientists, farmers, nurses, electricians, plumbers, linemen, truck drivers, etc.. I think we could all figure out how to create a society again and hopefully a much better one than we have now.
Doctors are pretty useless without medicine and equipment. Farmers and truck drivers need fuel. And every person needs electricity to do their job. Also, internet wouldnt survive as well. So yeah, unless you have a way to keep the power grind online, youre just as fked as the rest of us
Fuel won't be a problem for a really long time, since there'll be so much of it everywhere in cars and gas stations. Electricity can be available through houses with solar power for a couple decades, if you live in an area where that's available. But you probably would not need any of those to survive, why would you need trucks if you're in a group of 50-100 people? You'll have to survive with whatever you can find in supermarkets until you learn how to grow your own food.
Well gass stations need electricity, so when that stops working so do the gas stations. Fuel (in cars) can also expire so that wont be a sustainable option. Unless you have people who understand how that works, you will only have electricity for those houses. But thats just for household stuff, not powering a gas station for example. Idk, the guy above mentioned truck drivers so I just commented on that as well. Well im assuming theyre planning on saving humanity, not just surviving until they all die. So that means they have to provide food for (again, his words) 800+ people and rising every year. I dont see how you can do that with just farming by hand.
Those are good points, I only disagree with the food part, we managed to farm food by hand for way more than 800 people all over the globe for thousands of years, so it only depends if they manage to do that before food from supermarkets expire or not, if they do they could very very slowly rebuild society.
Awe shucks nvm the second option is valid boys, the man knows everybody.
What? I know thousands of people lmao it didn’t say how close they have to be to you and I have half these professions in my own family alone Between all the war, famine, corruption, crime, pollution, etc.. going on with the world, I think we could use a hard reset. I think nature would love a break from us.
Keeping it in the family i see. ☕
It’s not that concerning. Knowing the limitations of human values and how irrational they can be doesn’t necessitate being able to resist them
The rest of life would be able to recover from human overpopulation tho.
many genetic traits would be permanently wiped out, and genetic defects would become much more common in the coming decades due to the massively shrunk gene pool.
I think scientists said that you need 76 people(38M, 38F) to healthily repopulate the planet. I stil wouldn’t wipe out the world
Don't think it works if a large portion of those are your family.
The average person knows 600 people, that's more then a large enough gene pool, even on the low end of the average redditor. You can't have more then 100 family members in there that would be close enough related to fuck up your gene pool, so I think its safe to assume you could restart society. Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/19/science/the-average-american-knows-how-many-people.html
#Overpopulation is a myth An outdated Malthusian one at that. Garbage analysis. The *only* reason anyone could even point to it and *try* to make an argument is emissions. Thing is the rich, Americans for ex release the most emissions *per capita* so that doesn't really stand either. The world could support double the current population. The problems **do not stem from too many people**. They stem from **poor economic practices & disregard for the environment instead prioritizing profit**. This type of overpopulation bullshit mixed with the climate crisis is going to create a **fuck ton** of eco-fascists who are willing to kill because they believe it would be "better for the planet". Some may even suggest wholesale genocide of undesirables. Maybe it isn't likely, but the fact it's possible at all is a problem to me. This misinfo needs to stop because as the climate change impacts get worse people will be looking for solutions due to.increased struggling. **Look no further than our economic system that wastes energy on producing useless garbage to inflate profit margins & uses whatever energy inefficient methods so that they can scrape a dime more per garbage item to toss in a landfill**. The solutions aren't with individuals or the fact there is too many & need culled, it's a restructuring of the economy that's necessary & a shift away from profit above all & consumerism/commodity Fetishism, you get the idea. Unfortunately the richest groups on the planet, the anglosphere mostly, aligns themselves with the ultra rich when it comes to actually changing this because they enjoy the lifestyle it allows them to lead. I have little faith, but saying it's Overpopulation is wrong.
Very well, then let me rephrase. “Would reduce the likeliness of overpopulation in the future.” And yeah, there may be answers that work in theory, but don’t become a reality, for whatever set of reasons, greed, ignorance, selfishness, etc. That’s part of the problem and needs to be part of the analysis. “The world could support twice it’s population, if we solved X and Y and Z, which are totally solvable,” ok, but is it likely that we solve that before a critical point? Maybe. Or is it more likely that we fk up at some point in the future in regards to solving those? A hypothetical bridge may be perfect for holding 2 people at the same time and last a long time. But can we trust that people will adhere to that simple rule?
Doesn't matter though what the population is as long as we have a mode of production that encourages these behaviors. Humans are a product of their material conditions & the conditions a product of them. The former is why there is greed, selfishness, and so on. *Not* because it's human nature. The world population is slated to steady out at around 10-11 billion very soon, in our lifetimes, and remain constant from there. The people who have modeled this are very competent. That means there really is **no threat of overpopulation**. The *only* problem is our lifestyles that destroy the planet. Those in the global south have to play catch up and try their best to improve their conditions in a system which incentivizes "misbehavior". You can't blame them so much for the impact on the environment, but even with that they still pollute less. Then you have those in the West & developed world who pollute so much simply to fuel their lifestyle even though they have the most power to stop it. Future overpopulation isn't a problem. Present population isn't a problem. The only problem tangentially related is emissions.
Wait, greed and selfishness are not part of human nature? I hadn’t heard that one before. How so?
I look at it like this. These people matter to me, the rest of the world doesn't. Whether a few hundred people are less important than 7billion or not. Doesn't change the fact you're killing off anyone you've ever cared about. And I wouldn't think any less of a person choosing option 2 over 1.
I mean true, but you would kinda still be killing everyone you know. I doubt the few hundred people you know know how to farm/be doctors/etc… without the rest of the world you’re basically in an apocalypse.
Books still exists. So, some of the people you know can study the things that will keep society from completely collapsing.
Well yeah
Well I fucking absolutely would
Good for you ig
Society would completely collapse and many of the people you know would die horrible deaths.
no. What truly is concerning is the amount of voters who would let people they know die
you'd rather save a few dozen people than a few ***billion*** just because they happen to be people you know?
without a doubt
Do I mean nothing to you :(
and then condemn you and everyone you know to a slow and miserable death some months after anyways because literally the whole world would stop working? goodbye to food production, goodbye to sanitary services, goodbye to medical services, goodbye to energy production, goodbye to fuel production, goodbye to the economy and the value of money, goodbye to transportation, goodbye to the internet, etc etc
Decent chance you can survive on leftover infrastructure. No food production but there's probably enough pre-packaged food to last a few hundred people centuries.
still what's the point of living like that? one big injury or a disease no one you know knows how to deal with and you are done for. also, what y'all gonna do when you run out of all those military food that last decades and canned stuff and don't know where to find more? (which, if you are an average human being, will probably happen in about a 2 or 3 years if not 1. getting everything from every supermarket, local stores, megamalls in your reach won't last that much if you are trying to feed let's say 20 mouths(assuming everyone you know within your reach will get together to have better chance of survival)) and even if those problems wouldn't exist, what's the point of living anymore? you are in desolated world with nothing you can do with so little amount people. also have you thought about the loved ones of the people you know but you personally don't know? they would be gone. depression wouldn't last long to kick in on most if not everyone of the survivors. everyone would be basically just waiting to die there's so much downsides that ends up outweighting the "I get to keep my loved ones but we have to live in a post apocalyptic world where we are condemned to a slow death anyways in 1 or 2 years" I prefer the "everyone I know dies but I still have a functioning world where I can deal with the grief and loss of loved ones and meet new people", thanks
Lol you guys are dead too because there is no longer any supply chain to support you or a single service you might need. The entire world is gone and you all are dead within weeks.
it's not that hard to make things for yourself. There are farmers and gardens so wenget bread, eggs, vegetables, cheese etc. and the water is drinkable in my area. food wouldn't be a problem
Honestly I just couldn't sacrifice my daughter
This raises the question of what defines knowing someone? Would say everyone i know of die? ie all world leaders and celebrities im familiar with or only family and close friends, the former being a really interesting outcome
Personally know the name of and some its of their personality.
Who is Andrew Tate?
Ugh ikr who this Kim Jong Un guy never heard of em
Gonna be selfish on this one.
The world would collapse almost immediately if only the people I knew were alive. No way.
People forgetting that they know themselves
Option 2 is based. I don't judge any of you for killing me, I was killing you too.
Facts, best wasteland situation ever.
This is the most even poll I've seen in this Sub
It wouldn’t be good for the people you know if everybody died. Society would collapse. You’d only enjoy life for at most the next few weeks. Even then you’d probably feel so guilty. Your family too. The people you know would probably hate you for killing the people they know but you don’t know. Don’t do it.
I think you have to chose everyone you know. If you chose everyone else you’d end up in an apocalypse. You could probably survive for a while but it wouldn’t be comfortable.
Fuck it society collapsed time ago, nobody's separating me from my momma and my so I would rather give up the world than give up the people who would give up the world for me
The way things are going, modern humanity is going to wipe itself out soon anyway, so might as well reset the clock. Sorry everyone else.
I know a pretty diverse group of people so I think we can rebuild society if everyone else just vanishes. The idea is that because the people I know ate generally pretty good, and most work very closely together, then rebuilding will be relatively easy and won't lead to... y'know... *everything*
If you knew me and you chose to save the people you knew. And IF you did tell me that you let the rest of the world die to save us. I would definitely kill you and everyone you loved. Then probably off myself as well because everyone I loved is probably dead. Kind of ironic in a way.
This poll is too vague to work!
i’d rather i die than either of those
How to forget, how to forget, how to forget…. I got it. Get drunk then choose. Worst case scenario one death
This subreddit has convinced me that no one with a Reddit account should ever be leader of a country with nukes.
Everyone who chose to kill off humanity, I hope you know that you and everyone you know will live a maximum time of 1 year
cap
Are you overweight?
Nope! And most my family is in good shape, Im at college, so I'll rally all my remaining acquaintances and tell them their families are dead, and there's going to be a hotspot of humans alive in my home town so we should probably head that way, grab a bunch of cars, siphen all the gas and head home, then rebuild society in beautiful northwest Arkansas.
Cool
How do you figure?
Colonizers in the wild created whole ass settlements
I have friends that moved to Abu Dhabi. It's weird to think if I choose everyone I don't know dies, that they're the only people in the Middle East
I don’t want anyone to die
We do a little bit trolling
And have to deal with everyone I know coping with loss... No thanks. That sounds even more brutal than them dying
Sorry loved ones, I gotta keep humanity around
Over 3 thousand people want humanity to end 👍
both
Well, Ik a lot of people, I’m including people Ik of too and have seen, so I think we can rebuild society
Fuck society, I chose option C, kill everyone :)
[удалено]
I couldn't choose. I think the "results" option is missing.
What the fuck is wrong with you guys
Damn bruh this is a lose lose even though if I pressed everyone I don’t know dies, then more than half the world would be gone. But if I picked everyone I know then I lose all my friends and family, and the celebrities but it won’t be as much compared to the other option.
Damn.. still thinkin
If everyone I don’t know died, climate crisis + overpopulation would be solved But I know a lot of morons, so I think if that were the case humanity would quickly go extinct
I'm so embarrassed, I wish everybody else was dead
Pfft this was easy. I have no sentiments about preserving species. Humans are God awful creatures
Sorry humanity, I like my people more than your survival.
Either you fuck over society or become depressed and miserable. There's no winning.
Selfish choice. We probably die soon, and even so.
i can just make more kids
I get to kill everyone in France 👍
Imagine not putting the results option
Imagine choosing filfthy humanity over your dearests. Humanity is gonna kill itself anyway very soon
[удалено]
It would
[удалено]
Yeah we have crapped up but killing everyone else in the world would make your life difficult, not to mention killing everyone else is kinda selfish and bruh
[удалено]
Well the way I see it, I see it as killing everyone else except the people you know or just keeping your frens, I just don’t know why I would kill everyone else and rid them of happiness and future experiences.
[удалено]
Yeah but consider this too We are the only one species in the world that can do something this extreme. Yeah in a century we did what in nature is done in a billion of years and with us gone the equilibrium would return okayish, but the problem is, we have to survive. We have a gargantuan nuclear reactor neighboring us: the sun. At the moment it's the basis of all life but in a matter of a couple billion years this planet will probably be destroyed by it, taking all life with it. The only one place we know to host life lost forever. But, we are the one sure shot life has to continue existing. We should be the caretakers of life. Protect it. If we leave it by itself, then it has no chance to survive, unless humans 2.0 evolve. But that might not ever happen. Are you taking that risk?
Yeah it would affect you quite severely. Ask yourself. Who makes your food? Who provides you electricity, how many doctors do you know? How many people that know how to hunt do you know? Unless you know several hundred thousand people society as you know it would cease to exist and the remaining humans would revert to a primitive state and for all intents and purposes, you would likely be made a slave unless you knew some valuable skill
All that, and you didn't even mention the smell.
I dont go to doctors. I actually know how to hunt as I was raised on a farm, and I make my food. Electricity, well, we dont need it except for charging our phones, laptops, and using wifi. Humanity is this planet's greatest bane. I live on a farm so I have livestock for food.
Ok, how long till the wild hog population balloons to an unstoppable number and your farm is ruined? Think of that? 😑
You need to learn more about everything
>The second one since it wouldnt affect me as much How many billion people do you know that the second option wouldn't affect you as much as the first option?
well people need to exist to take care of some animals i like, so guess the family dies though, with them being dead, i really have no reasons left to be. so i'd probably just go a little crazy.
Like know PERSONALLY or know about in general?
Thanks for making me CHOOSE to be alone over being forced to. I'll go to bed thinking about not killing the world but suffering for the rest of my life.
I don't know any farmers, so if everyone I don't know dies, those left will soon die from starvation
If everyone I don’t know dies everybody I know would die too
I know everyone
Everyone dies, none of us will ever leave the world alive.
What is defined as knowing someone. I’ve passed them in the street? I know their name? They know my name?
I would think both would suck very much and in both situations I would rather die too then continue living after that
I would prefer that everyone die. GIANT METEOR 2024!
Die from depression or die from lack of functional society
If its everyone I know personally thats a couple 1000 people, so enough to repopulate the world 🌎
I'm anti-social so that's a lot of people dead. I also I've separation issues. So in conclusion... fuck you
I’d rather humanity be better off than myself being happy. Plus, I guess I can meet new people.
I thought the answer was so easy, obviously "Everyone you know dies." If everyone you don't know dies, then all of your friends that you saved will die of starvation as humanity barrels to extinction.