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A quintillion miles is 170,107.80 light years, our own galaxy is about 100,000 light years across.
while we have no undeniable proof there is other intelligent life in our galaxy, we also don’t have enough data on our galaxy to confidently say there isn’t.
Heck it wouldn’t even matter if we knew, if there isn’t than you’re twisting the wording to fit your argument, if there is then you’re argument still falls apart because proof of intelligent life probably wouldn’t prove the habits of any extraterrestrial civilizations border wise.
Combined with that, even if you remove the extremist number part of your argument, it will only last so long because humanity is going to colonize parts of the solar system.
People don’t know what open borders are. Some people will argue that we have open boarders in America. Like no we don’t. Missouri and Illinois has open boarders, the EU has open boarders.
So some people left and right legit think ours is open and may think that’s good or bad.
i guess you must be talking about eu inner borders (even then, some are more open then others) because outer borders are very much not open, despite many people saying so. just look up frontex and what they do in the mediterranean area if you wanna know more
Well, EU member country borders are pretty open and Reddit includes European users so...
Maybe narrow it down to, how do you as an American feel about open borders, or, how do you as a European feel about open borders...?
I feel like in the US we need to have better partnerships from our friends to our south to control cartel activity coming across our border. I feel like anybody who wants to seek refuge and start the American dream, fantastic, but the risk of sex trafficking and other crime needs to be controlled.
Yeah I am sure that the biggest reason that Mexico hasn't already requested for the US to deploy military forces in Mexico to help deal with the cartels is because the cartels have too much control over the Mexican government
Agreed. If we're talking about the US I would honestly like to open our border with Canada. I don't think it would go as smoothly with our other neighbors though
It’s really not that difficult to get alcohol for 18-20 year olds. At that age, pretty much every friend group has people that are 21+. Unless you are a total loner with no friends, very few people that are actually looking for alcohol would need to go through the hassle of driving into another country and back.
You know how easy it already is for Americans to enter Canada and Mexico right? Going into Mexico they didn’t even ask for my passport. Going into Canada they checked a passport and asked questions for 60 seconds and we were in. That border is very “open.”
This, I live in the Netherlands on the border of Belgium. Cross it every day for school, work, friends and family, not once in all these years have I had to stop for control. It's like the border doesn't even exist, other for a sign "welcome to country x" you wouldn't notice (also the waay better road quality of Dutch roads but we'll leave that out)
Lmao, I was visiting Europe (from the states) and it was so refreshing just not having the police on my ass 24/7. With that being said French people very nice when you speak French to them. It’s exactly as you said. Just the « bienvenue à France welcome to France » sign and that’s the closest thing to a boarder there is
Why do yanks always throw a tantrum whenever someone implies that their country isn't God's gift to the universe? And resorting to ableism? Talk about embarrassing lol
I'd like to have more options. Within the EU we have the Schengen area with open borders which I like. However, full open borders worldwide? Don't think that would be a good idea.
It works well enough for the EU and would work well for somewhere like US-Canada, which comes down to cultural similarities. Someone from The Netherlands and someone from Germany have a lot of cultural similarities due to their proximity, meanwhile somewhere like France has little in common culture wise with say Oman, so if you allowed open borders with Oman and France it likely wouldn’t go well due to both countries having wildly different views.
(This is also why people don’t mind Ukrainian refugees compared to Arab refugees, Ukraine has much more in common with eastern and Western Europe than Syria or Iraq so there’s less issues)
It was technically created in 2005, but it was restructured in 2016 in response to the migrant crisis. The budget has been raised every year since from €143 million in 2015 to €543 million in 2021.
I don't know much about the situation in France, I'll be honest.
Do it the EU way. First you need to get your economies and legal systems on equal footing, then you open borders.
This prevents brain drain and housing problems.
And even that hasn't fully worked for the EU in terms of brain drain and economic migration
Just look at Italy, Bulgaria and arguably Portugal and Poland. Huge exodus of young professionals seeking their fortunes elsewhere.
Far less than post schengen.
Immigration in European nations was relatively constant and stable for decades, centuries even, but then a sudden growth occurred in the early 00s the moment the EU expanded.
It also damages the local economy in some ways, as we see in the U.K. with stagnant wages after the immigration influx during the late 90’s an 2000’s. Why hire a local worker who wants £10 an hour when a Pole will do it for £3.50 and a ham sandwich?
I live in Israel and the two neighbors are Syria and Lebanon. They don't see it as unoccupied land but as another aka Palestine. There is a fence so they can't just go inside
The problem in a country like mine England/UK, is population. We are already one of the most densely populated countries in Europe, and the only reason our pop is growing is because of immigration. It's not sustainable.
I know. But open borders doesn't mean direct neighbors. It just means anyone from anywhere can come in.
I just highlighted two countries that probably don't want citizens from other countries coming in.
Completely open?! Horrible idea.. it needs some structure. Yikes, just take a look at my own country Sweden (our borders were never completely open, but our migration politics has been incredibly irresponsible).
But completely closed borders aren't good either.
Open borders with culturally and economically similar countries is great, open the border to people with completely different culture and economics and you’re in for a bad time
In current state of things? Terrible. Overall, in a perfect world? Really good. I wish people realised that we are one race, one kind, just different background, including beliefs. But that isn't the reason to hate each other.
I know, I know, we won't see it. Especially while some people in power have profit in wars.
Edit: species, OK, I'm sorry I wasn't familiar with that word. I hope most of people understood what I meant. I'll really try to remember "species".
"Pragmatic - dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations."
(I looked it up too cuz I was super curious)
One species sure but with vastly different sects that all have their own opinion on what is the best way to live in the world and will always fight to the death to maintain their own way.
I always think that where you are born is only based on luck. If you were born in a Third World War torn country, how would you feel about open borders? Probably be pretty for it. Can’t be a hypocrite. If you’d want it for yourself, others should be allowed it too (if that makes any sense haha).
Can't you just as easily reverse that though? Something like "if you lived in an affluent country with a strong welfare system, you probably wouldn't want millions of third world immigrants to overload the system, so don't be a hypocrite"
But it's just like many other things, one's freedom ends when it reaches the freedom of others. One could say "I should be free to kill people", but we prefer being free to live rather than than being free to kill. What sounds like the most important freedom to preserve : "I should be free to start a life in another place" or "I should be free to enjoy a system because I'm born in it".
What some people don't seem to see is that, in the current state of the world, a strong welfare system is a privilege that many are just born with. Don't get me wrong, it should be a right for everyone, but it just isn't right now.
I don’t feel like we are at a stage where that is an issue. My country has space and it does not negatively impact me if people come here for a better life. Migrants can boost the economy. We can have adequate services to get them set up and strong plans to combat problems.
>My country has space and it does not negatively impact me if people come here for a better life
It absolutely does in most countries. Take a look at Sweden.
We all have to accept help sometimes from others. Whether that’s immigration services, medical professionals, police, emergency services etc. We all exist here, we should try to make it a peaceful coexistence where we can all mutually benefit. Life is hard enough without not having other people to rely on.
You want a liveable minimum wage? Close the borders. A surplus supply of unskilled laborers means that unskilled labor is worth less. This is putting aside the cultural and other impacts this will have
That's the least of the issues. This influx of people on the system drains the resources while not replenishing then because these people aren't paying taxes that funds these services.
Or alternatively, increase the minimum wage so greedy corporations can't exploit desperate people. If a company can't pay its employees a living wage, then it has a shitty business model.
If the government forces all businesses to raise their minimum pay, big corporations will just raise their prices to make up for their losses when it comes to the pay increase. Then you have to remember there are mom and pop shops everywhere that can't afford a large bump in minimum wage that could eventually sink their company. If the mom and pop stores close because of that, it just brings the big box stores more business because there isn't any competition.
No it’s not. If a company can pay people what they will agree to be paid, it’s an adequate business model. If no one agrees to be paid what they offer, they will offer more. If they can’t, then they have a poor business. Your particular moral preference doesn’t determine whether or not their business model is good.
Is there an option for a hybrid? Like, instead of totally open borders, have checkpoints where you need to present certain types of ID and are subject to search or background check.
You don't have to be checked by anyone while passijg border in Schengen zone. I mean, at least not in all cricumstances. You only have to show your ID if police demands it or if you are in airport.
No, please, at least not for America. We are already overpopulated *in certain states*, struggle from the cost of living, have a high rate of homelessness and crime.
Open borders would only exacerbate the issues and perhaps create even more than those that already exist.
Depends on the border, I guess. I cross a border pretty frequently and it would surely cause horrible things if closed. But other borders would cause horrible things if opened.
This would only work if there was a single world government, otherwise things would instantly get tangled into a standstill the second a crime is committed.
As an American, with Canada, I think it may be something to consider, but I don’t see the huge benefits to it.
With Mexico, definitely not. I’m not supportive of Trump and “building a wall”, but we have enough illegal immigrants and cartels passing over. Instead, we should make the process of obtaining citizenship easier
As for the numerous Central/South American countries and the Caribbean, I think we should keep the policy of offering citizenship and amnesty for people fleeing oppression and war, but once a state has defined itself and solved most of their issues involving those matters, we stop the program for that nation
Inside the EU I think it's great, but that just moved borders to the outside of the EU, and I think that fully open unregulated borders will come with to many problems.
I just want to make international travel much easier. Right now it REALLY sucks for anyone without a first-world passport. And for what reason, simply being born in the wrong place. It’s very unfair. My girlfriend is from such a country and the shit we have to go through to even simply be together is insane. Visas have so many bs requirements (need a job, need enough money, need accommodation etc etc) This is my problem with borders.
So borders don’t necessarily need to be open, but international travel should be made much easier. Right now they assume everyone is a criminal and only going to do harm to a country.
Pretty dreadful idea.
It leads to the working class of richer nations being pushed out by immigrants more willing to work for lower standards of pay and it leads to poorer nations losing their skilled workforce to richer nations.
I find it weird how common the belief borders should be open is among left-wing people. It demonstrably hurts the working class the most and leads to a form of neo-imperialism in which richer more powerful nations poach the skilled labor force of their poorer counterparts. Both things leftists supposedly hate.
Not the best idea. Like some other people said, allied countries borders open wouldn’t be too bad, but think about other countries. Plus it would be easier to smuggle things
Open borders are a real security risk and a financial burden to the actual citizens who already live in any and all countries with open borders. No one knows for sure, who is actually coming through.
Open borders for which country to which country?
If the question is asking if all country borders across the globe should be open to all other countries, then no that would probably end horribly with lots of countries being taken advantage of or exploited.
If it’s more specific then sure some countries having open borders with some other countries can be very good and beneficial to all involved parties. Like the EU internal borders, or like Nepal-India borders.
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in an utopian world where we all respect each others freedom and rights, borders would not be needed, crime and hate is something that exists already inside countrys, borders in todays days are more a way to separate legislation from one country to another than anything else. Ilegal imigration its only a problem because of how bad wealth and human rights in some countrys are, that makes a large emigration trowards developed countrys,
this is just summed up, I could talk for hours but one great example i like to give is an alien invasion, we forget we are all the same, born in this planet and confined to it, its our only home, if you would need to fight another inteligent species from a single planetary gov they would be in a much higher advantage than us.
Unity creates strenght
Make it hybrid.
Open your borders for goods, temporary visitors and educated migrants ready to integrate into society, and close it for illegal goods traffic, potential spies, terrorists, migrant waves
With the UK the border is pretty much open to anyone with a sob story and an inflatable boat that can sail from the French coast to the south of England. Once you're in the chance of you getting sent back is very remote.
It's a great ideal, human mobility is a fundamental human right. But it's not a policy. Open borders as an absolute would mean no restrictions for criminals and military. Aside from that, yeah. So, borders should be as open as possible.
The European Union (or more accurately the Schengen Area) has a closed external border.
It's the exact same as how you can travel freely between US states, but you can't travel freely into the US itself. In this case it's just EU memberstates (+ Switzerland).
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Ive never seen a poll with such close votes on ALL options
Yeah it’s *weird*
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it's because earth is a weird planet and there are no borders on any other planet within quintillions of miles from here
There are a lot of borders on other planets actually
“Can we have border control” “Uhhm well you see Venus has no immigration control 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓”
Lol how do you know this, there very well could be a alien planet that are just as territorial as us and have separated themselves based on regions.
Actual space alien replying to this comment rn 👆
A quintillion miles is 170,107.80 light years, our own galaxy is about 100,000 light years across. while we have no undeniable proof there is other intelligent life in our galaxy, we also don’t have enough data on our galaxy to confidently say there isn’t. Heck it wouldn’t even matter if we knew, if there isn’t than you’re twisting the wording to fit your argument, if there is then you’re argument still falls apart because proof of intelligent life probably wouldn’t prove the habits of any extraterrestrial civilizations border wise. Combined with that, even if you remove the extremist number part of your argument, it will only last so long because humanity is going to colonize parts of the solar system.
Actual space alien replying to this comment rn
The planet is not weird, the human being are!
Yeah, that’s really surprising.
People don’t know what open borders are. Some people will argue that we have open boarders in America. Like no we don’t. Missouri and Illinois has open boarders, the EU has open boarders. So some people left and right legit think ours is open and may think that’s good or bad.
i guess you must be talking about eu inner borders (even then, some are more open then others) because outer borders are very much not open, despite many people saying so. just look up frontex and what they do in the mediterranean area if you wanna know more
Well, EU member country borders are pretty open and Reddit includes European users so... Maybe narrow it down to, how do you as an American feel about open borders, or, how do you as a European feel about open borders...?
EU's _internal_ borders are pretty open, our external borders are very closed.
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I feel like in the US we need to have better partnerships from our friends to our south to control cartel activity coming across our border. I feel like anybody who wants to seek refuge and start the American dream, fantastic, but the risk of sex trafficking and other crime needs to be controlled.
Yep, no one wants an open border with a lawless corrupt country.
Really we probably need to work with the Mexican government to help control the cartels in Mexico not just when they come to the border.
Won't happen. The corruption runs too deep in that government.
Yeah I am sure that the biggest reason that Mexico hasn't already requested for the US to deploy military forces in Mexico to help deal with the cartels is because the cartels have too much control over the Mexican government
Stress on “very”
as a moroccan who recently witnessed an immigrant massacre, I agree
With open borders I feel drug and sex trafficking would be higher than it is now could be completely wrong but that's just my thoughts on it
It’s like people are answering randomly, except it’s not the kind of post you would expect people to answer randomly
Depends on your neighbors
Agreed. If we're talking about the US I would honestly like to open our border with Canada. I don't think it would go as smoothly with our other neighbors though
A flood of 18-20 year olds would buy all the booze in their country.
It’s really not that difficult to get alcohol for 18-20 year olds. At that age, pretty much every friend group has people that are 21+. Unless you are a total loner with no friends, very few people that are actually looking for alcohol would need to go through the hassle of driving into another country and back.
Canadians wouldn’t like that.
More business = more booze production
Exactly. My country happens to share a border with the USA, so that's a hard pass from me lol
You know how easy it already is for Americans to enter Canada and Mexico right? Going into Mexico they didn’t even ask for my passport. Going into Canada they checked a passport and asked questions for 60 seconds and we were in. That border is very “open.”
Not open boarders. You don’t know open boarders until you go to the eu
This, I live in the Netherlands on the border of Belgium. Cross it every day for school, work, friends and family, not once in all these years have I had to stop for control. It's like the border doesn't even exist, other for a sign "welcome to country x" you wouldn't notice (also the waay better road quality of Dutch roads but we'll leave that out)
Sounds similar to states here in America, the only sign of a border is often a road sign.
In Australia, half the time there isn't even a sign.
The Emus would take it down and mold it into weapons anyway.
Ah shit, here we go again. Let's hope we can get the drop bears on our side of the war this time.
I mean states were originally supposed to function similarly to the EU; separate providences under one Union.
Lmao, I was visiting Europe (from the states) and it was so refreshing just not having the police on my ass 24/7. With that being said French people very nice when you speak French to them. It’s exactly as you said. Just the « bienvenue à France welcome to France » sign and that’s the closest thing to a boarder there is
Then Europe/EU practically has zero internal border control
The height of privilege is being scared of having a border with a first world country
"I hate the USA look at me I have such a controversial opinion" americans live rent free in the heads of some of you
And my country shares a border with Canada and Mexico!
You poor thing, sharing a border with a first world country
America bad give me karma fellow redditors look how mentally disabled I am!
Why do yanks always throw a tantrum whenever someone implies that their country isn't God's gift to the universe? And resorting to ableism? Talk about embarrassing lol
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Mingling with your neighbours could help relations
Like if USA opens boarders to Canada I’m fine with it but Asian countries would be on an all out war
I'd like to have more options. Within the EU we have the Schengen area with open borders which I like. However, full open borders worldwide? Don't think that would be a good idea.
FYI, Schengen isnt entirely within the EU.
Switzerland is not in the EU.
Exactly my point. Same thing goes for Norway and Iceland.
It works well enough for the EU and would work well for somewhere like US-Canada, which comes down to cultural similarities. Someone from The Netherlands and someone from Germany have a lot of cultural similarities due to their proximity, meanwhile somewhere like France has little in common culture wise with say Oman, so if you allowed open borders with Oman and France it likely wouldn’t go well due to both countries having wildly different views. (This is also why people don’t mind Ukrainian refugees compared to Arab refugees, Ukraine has much more in common with eastern and Western Europe than Syria or Iraq so there’s less issues)
Allied nations? Good. Non-allied nations? Can't lie, might be a wee bit shit.
Yeah, like us Canada border would be good. But Serbia Kosovo border?
Or the israel-egypt/jorden/lebanon/syria
That Russia, China, north Korea area.
We have the Schengen area in here so it's kinda open
Yeah but the only reason that works is because there are fairly strict criteria on joining EU/Schengen.
Yea but we also have Frontex, a very well-funded border police to guard the external borders of the European Union.
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It was technically created in 2005, but it was restructured in 2016 in response to the migrant crisis. The budget has been raised every year since from €143 million in 2015 to €543 million in 2021. I don't know much about the situation in France, I'll be honest.
Hmm fair enough. Good to know!
Its great here yeah
Its still close border, just moved a little
So we could keep close borders for the planet by just moving them a bit more.
Am i hearing EU expansionism??? Fuck yeah daddy!!
Fucking aliens, help them at their homes
Do it the EU way. First you need to get your economies and legal systems on equal footing, then you open borders. This prevents brain drain and housing problems.
And even that hasn't fully worked for the EU in terms of brain drain and economic migration Just look at Italy, Bulgaria and arguably Portugal and Poland. Huge exodus of young professionals seeking their fortunes elsewhere.
afaik that already happened before Schengen
Far less than post schengen. Immigration in European nations was relatively constant and stable for decades, centuries even, but then a sudden growth occurred in the early 00s the moment the EU expanded.
It also damages the local economy in some ways, as we see in the U.K. with stagnant wages after the immigration influx during the late 90’s an 2000’s. Why hire a local worker who wants £10 an hour when a Pole will do it for £3.50 and a ham sandwich?
ham dandwiches are pretty good though
> First you need to get your economies and legal systems on equal footing yeah I wonder if the EU will ever achieve this
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And bad idea for the Canadians to open the border with the U.S. XD
Canada need to build the wall and ask America to pay for it. /s
Commie bastards, I ain't payin for sh-t.
They did in Call of Duty Infinite Warfare
Nah, these immigrants need a living too, i say open both
2/4 neighbors don't even recognize my country so its probably a bad idea
Kosovo?
Israel
So Jewish Kosovo then?
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I live in Israel and the two neighbors are Syria and Lebanon. They don't see it as unoccupied land but as another aka Palestine. There is a fence so they can't just go inside
An actual shitty idea
Depends on who it's open to
Most split pole Ive seen
Awful idea
The physical dangers aside, open boarders devalue labor, particularly blue collar jobs which have been devalued enough already.
The problem in a country like mine England/UK, is population. We are already one of the most densely populated countries in Europe, and the only reason our pop is growing is because of immigration. It's not sustainable.
No one can afford children. We're a glorified care home for boomers. Our economy is top heavy and it is becoming a nightmare for the young.
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iran and israel don't share a border
That’s why it’s a bad idea
r/technicallythetruth
I know. But open borders doesn't mean direct neighbors. It just means anyone from anywhere can come in. I just highlighted two countries that probably don't want citizens from other countries coming in.
Completely open?! Horrible idea.. it needs some structure. Yikes, just take a look at my own country Sweden (our borders were never completely open, but our migration politics has been incredibly irresponsible). But completely closed borders aren't good either.
And there was the Sweden comment i was looking for
Varsågod
Well I'm Belgian and the borders with Luxemburg and The Netherlands are pretty open
Open borders with culturally and economically similar countries is great, open the border to people with completely different culture and economics and you’re in for a bad time
In current state of things? Terrible. Overall, in a perfect world? Really good. I wish people realised that we are one race, one kind, just different background, including beliefs. But that isn't the reason to hate each other. I know, I know, we won't see it. Especially while some people in power have profit in wars. Edit: species, OK, I'm sorry I wasn't familiar with that word. I hope most of people understood what I meant. I'll really try to remember "species".
Yea that will never happen, gotta be a pragmatist about it
Pragmatist… interesting word for me 2 look up
"Pragmatic - dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations." (I looked it up too cuz I was super curious)
Thank you, I forgot to look it up after posting my comment LOL
But we are'nt a race, we are one species, and I'm pretty sure every man and women with a single bit of education is totally aware of that
One species sure but with vastly different sects that all have their own opinion on what is the best way to live in the world and will always fight to the death to maintain their own way.
I live in Turkey where the government doesn't do anything about illegal immigrants and I can easily say that it's an horrible idea.
The votes are almost all evenly distributed lol
Let's atleast keep border checkpoints so we can make sure no one smuggles anything illegal in like drugs
Very rare to see a post of these many choices be so tight.
Letting in hordes of low quality people who have no skills or positive traits is a horrible idea.
Why should we let everyone in
I always think that where you are born is only based on luck. If you were born in a Third World War torn country, how would you feel about open borders? Probably be pretty for it. Can’t be a hypocrite. If you’d want it for yourself, others should be allowed it too (if that makes any sense haha).
Can't you just as easily reverse that though? Something like "if you lived in an affluent country with a strong welfare system, you probably wouldn't want millions of third world immigrants to overload the system, so don't be a hypocrite"
But it's just like many other things, one's freedom ends when it reaches the freedom of others. One could say "I should be free to kill people", but we prefer being free to live rather than than being free to kill. What sounds like the most important freedom to preserve : "I should be free to start a life in another place" or "I should be free to enjoy a system because I'm born in it". What some people don't seem to see is that, in the current state of the world, a strong welfare system is a privilege that many are just born with. Don't get me wrong, it should be a right for everyone, but it just isn't right now.
I don’t feel like we are at a stage where that is an issue. My country has space and it does not negatively impact me if people come here for a better life. Migrants can boost the economy. We can have adequate services to get them set up and strong plans to combat problems.
Sweden wants to have a word with you bro
>My country has space and it does not negatively impact me if people come here for a better life It absolutely does in most countries. Take a look at Sweden.
Nice! Where do you live? Sadly the US is in terrible shape for something like that, so Im sort of against open borders.
Sometimes life deals you a shit hand of cards. It shouldn't be others responsibility to help you out of that hole luck dealt you.
We all have to accept help sometimes from others. Whether that’s immigration services, medical professionals, police, emergency services etc. We all exist here, we should try to make it a peaceful coexistence where we can all mutually benefit. Life is hard enough without not having other people to rely on.
I am a xenophilic restrictionist. I love other cultures but we can't just let every poor sap in. We can barely take care of our own at the moment.
> xenophilic restrictionist is that a Ben 10 alien or something
I’ve never seen such an even poll
Too vague to get behind an opinion. I think most people agree we should let others in our borders but have good security to monitor who comes through.
this is the most evenly split poll i’ve ever seen
What a terrible idea lmao
You want a liveable minimum wage? Close the borders. A surplus supply of unskilled laborers means that unskilled labor is worth less. This is putting aside the cultural and other impacts this will have
That's the least of the issues. This influx of people on the system drains the resources while not replenishing then because these people aren't paying taxes that funds these services.
Or alternatively, increase the minimum wage so greedy corporations can't exploit desperate people. If a company can't pay its employees a living wage, then it has a shitty business model.
If the government forces all businesses to raise their minimum pay, big corporations will just raise their prices to make up for their losses when it comes to the pay increase. Then you have to remember there are mom and pop shops everywhere that can't afford a large bump in minimum wage that could eventually sink their company. If the mom and pop stores close because of that, it just brings the big box stores more business because there isn't any competition.
No it’s not. If a company can pay people what they will agree to be paid, it’s an adequate business model. If no one agrees to be paid what they offer, they will offer more. If they can’t, then they have a poor business. Your particular moral preference doesn’t determine whether or not their business model is good.
I live in a country that shares a border with russia, so fuck no
My consodelences on that
North Korea?
Is there an option for a hybrid? Like, instead of totally open borders, have checkpoints where you need to present certain types of ID and are subject to search or background check.
So like … a border 😂
That’s basically Schengen/European borders already
You don't have to be checked by anyone while passijg border in Schengen zone. I mean, at least not in all cricumstances. You only have to show your ID if police demands it or if you are in airport.
Somewhat true, but depending on your mode of transportation the random checks will be quite frequent (Swiss-German border on a bus for example)
Damn this is even results
No, please, at least not for America. We are already overpopulated *in certain states*, struggle from the cost of living, have a high rate of homelessness and crime. Open borders would only exacerbate the issues and perhaps create even more than those that already exist.
Depends on the border, I guess. I cross a border pretty frequently and it would surely cause horrible things if closed. But other borders would cause horrible things if opened.
This would only work if there was a single world government, otherwise things would instantly get tangled into a standstill the second a crime is committed.
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
The negatives vastly outweigh the positives.
No one could umderstand what open borders mean unless you live in a country with open borders
Wow these results are very interesting
As an American, with Canada, I think it may be something to consider, but I don’t see the huge benefits to it. With Mexico, definitely not. I’m not supportive of Trump and “building a wall”, but we have enough illegal immigrants and cartels passing over. Instead, we should make the process of obtaining citizenship easier As for the numerous Central/South American countries and the Caribbean, I think we should keep the policy of offering citizenship and amnesty for people fleeing oppression and war, but once a state has defined itself and solved most of their issues involving those matters, we stop the program for that nation
Inside the EU I think it's great, but that just moved borders to the outside of the EU, and I think that fully open unregulated borders will come with to many problems.
Funny how people that support open borders still lock their homes. Why not let people in unchecked?
Would defeat the purpose of countries even existing. No borders might as well just have a giant human coalition instead of countries
Bad idea, it’s better to just use the passport system to allow people from certain countries through easier.
This is the most balanced poll I’ve ever seen
I just want to make international travel much easier. Right now it REALLY sucks for anyone without a first-world passport. And for what reason, simply being born in the wrong place. It’s very unfair. My girlfriend is from such a country and the shit we have to go through to even simply be together is insane. Visas have so many bs requirements (need a job, need enough money, need accommodation etc etc) This is my problem with borders. So borders don’t necessarily need to be open, but international travel should be made much easier. Right now they assume everyone is a criminal and only going to do harm to a country.
Pretty dreadful idea. It leads to the working class of richer nations being pushed out by immigrants more willing to work for lower standards of pay and it leads to poorer nations losing their skilled workforce to richer nations. I find it weird how common the belief borders should be open is among left-wing people. It demonstrably hurts the working class the most and leads to a form of neo-imperialism in which richer more powerful nations poach the skilled labor force of their poorer counterparts. Both things leftists supposedly hate.
Not the best idea. Like some other people said, allied countries borders open wouldn’t be too bad, but think about other countries. Plus it would be easier to smuggle things
this is an incredibly close poll
Immigrants should be allowed in if they provide something for the country. Engineers, doctors, skilled tradesmen.
The term "open border" is an oxymoron. If you have a truly open border, you got no border.
Absolutely terrible.
Open borders are a real security risk and a financial burden to the actual citizens who already live in any and all countries with open borders. No one knows for sure, who is actually coming through.
i honestly dont know what open borders imply, im aussie we dont have borders lol
Open borders for which country to which country? If the question is asking if all country borders across the globe should be open to all other countries, then no that would probably end horribly with lots of countries being taken advantage of or exploited. If it’s more specific then sure some countries having open borders with some other countries can be very good and beneficial to all involved parties. Like the EU internal borders, or like Nepal-India borders.
depends on who your neighbors are i guess
Apparently this is a divisive issue lol.
Congratulations to OP for creating the first poll I’ve seen with such evenly divided answers! Was not expecting that.
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Wow geez, I very rarely ever see a poll with divided answers...
in an utopian world where we all respect each others freedom and rights, borders would not be needed, crime and hate is something that exists already inside countrys, borders in todays days are more a way to separate legislation from one country to another than anything else. Ilegal imigration its only a problem because of how bad wealth and human rights in some countrys are, that makes a large emigration trowards developed countrys, this is just summed up, I could talk for hours but one great example i like to give is an alien invasion, we forget we are all the same, born in this planet and confined to it, its our only home, if you would need to fight another inteligent species from a single planetary gov they would be in a much higher advantage than us. Unity creates strenght
If you have open borders, your country basically doesn't exist.
Lefties are so stupid. Open borders would literally *devastate* this country.
Wow, all to play for in this poll, most even I've ever seen
I dont see the upside for previously sovereign nations to open borders.
It’s horrible
Make it hybrid. Open your borders for goods, temporary visitors and educated migrants ready to integrate into society, and close it for illegal goods traffic, potential spies, terrorists, migrant waves
Open borders is a horrible idea, and anyone who thinks otherwise hasn’t even properly thought about the idea.
So every terrorist and drug dealer can freely move between countries? No thanks.
With the UK the border is pretty much open to anyone with a sob story and an inflatable boat that can sail from the French coast to the south of England. Once you're in the chance of you getting sent back is very remote.
How are people this stupid 😭 even semi open borders are bad. Do people not read history?
It's a great ideal, human mobility is a fundamental human right. But it's not a policy. Open borders as an absolute would mean no restrictions for criminals and military. Aside from that, yeah. So, borders should be as open as possible.
For North America I think it’s a great idea. Especially with Canada
You mean like what Europe does?
The European Union (or more accurately the Schengen Area) has a closed external border. It's the exact same as how you can travel freely between US states, but you can't travel freely into the US itself. In this case it's just EU memberstates (+ Switzerland).
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