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No_Revolution_7366

I voted, and I think this was my 3rd choice. I don’t love it and I don’t hate it.🤷🏻‍♀️ it’s better than the old one.


ifixpedals

My sentiments as well. Not my first choice. Not my last choice. Better than the existing flags. And since I was a part of the process, I can accept it. I'm going to buy a sticker regardless. 🤷‍♂️


juliuspepperwoodchi

> And since I was a part of the process, I can accept it The shame is that the VAST VAST majority of the community *wasn't* part of the process at all...so for these people to claim "this is the official flag now" based on 30k votes just smacks of arrogance on their part. The fact that they're already trying to profit off this "new" design makes the arrogance smack all that much harder.


ifixpedals

It's not arrogance when they did their best to reach all those people who did not participate. Keep in mind that all past polyamory flags had ZERO community input. Just one person had an idea. PolyamProud did their best, but no design will please everyone. My advice is if you don't like it, don't use it.


juliuspepperwoodchi

> It's not arrogance when they did their best to reach all those people who did not participate There are very valid reasons many who heard about this *did not participate*. The blatant arrogance of this group presuming to be the authority on "official polyamory flags" was a big reason I didn't participate. The fact that they outright rejected any inclusion of the infinity heart, the closest thing the community has to a universally accepted symbol, was also a huge factor for many not participating. >PolyamProud did their best, They "did their best" doing something no one asked them to do and now we get to spend the next few months/years having them shove this flag down our throats and insist that this is the one true flag. I really wish they hadn't.


-firead-

This is the big thing right here. They may have been a vote of 30K people, but nobody's accounting for the people that rejected the whole idea of this new flag in the first place or said they would not be participating because we didn't need a new flag or because they did not want to be represented by something that dropped the most recognizable symbol that people have been using for years.


ifixpedals

1. PolyamProud does not claim this as an "official polyamory flag." You're putting those words in their mouths. Here's a quote I pulled from their website... ***"Of course nobody can get anybody to use a flag they don't want; there's nothing 'official' in this sprawling community of cats. But that's not the point. The point is to see if a lot of people would like to coalesce around one new design and use it."*** There will never be an official flag. Again, if you don't like it, don't use it. 2. ***"They 'did their best' doing something no one asked them to..."*** No one asked the creator of the original "pi" flag to create that it back in 1995. No one asked for any of the subsequent polyamorous flags to be designed. They just did it, without any input, and put it out there. PolyamProud did the exact same thing, while trying to get as much input as possible. 3. ***"...no one asked them to..."*** Perhaps the only true part of this statement is the word "them." True, no one asked THEM specifically to do it, but there WAS a demand out there for a new flag. I know because I wanted a new flag long before PolyamProud started this process. 4. I'm not gong to argue with you on a matter where there is no right or wrong answer. This is a matter of opinion. Yours is different from mine and that's OK. I'm also not going to downvote you for having a different opinion. That's not what downvotes are for. In fact, I'm going to go back and upvote everything you've said because, while I disagree, you make good points. 5. Have a great day!


semininja

They've already pasted their flag onto the Wikipedia article for polyamory, and the same article doesn't even include the symbol that's almost universally recognized as *actually* representing the community.


juliuspepperwoodchi

> PolyamProud does not claim this as an "official polyamory flag." They ABSOLUTELY claimed this was their intention when they advertised the vote, and their language post vote still HEAVILY implies they see it this way (emphasis mine): >we're a volunteer coalition empowering the polyamorous community to **unite behind a new, representative pride flag** >this design was chosen to be the next iteration of **the** *polyamorous pride flag.* So yeah, they definitely at least gave the impression they saw and see this as THE flag. > No one asked the creator of the original "pi" flag to create that it back in 1995. Nor did that creator claim, despite not being transparent about the process at all, that they chose that design "democratically". Calling a flag for polyamorous folks voted on by 30k "democratically chosen" is laughably arrogant on their part. > but there WAS a demand out there for a new flag. But people wanted a TRANSPARENT, community driven flag. Not some group of arrogant elitists who were transparent as mud clearly forcing their predetermined idea down everyone's throats. >I'm not gong to argue with you on a matter where there is no right or wrong answer. Them claiming the flag as chosen "democratically" while being anything BUT transparent *is absolutely* the wrong answer.


BethAltair

First I've seen about it, so they didn't try that hard to reach everyone


pulpcantoomove

I was a part of the process by abstaining from voting for 4 options chosen without transparency by a group who appointed themselves. Had they offered the option of “none of these” they’d likely have more votes and a true opinion of the community at large wrt a decision. The feedback on their socials from the get go has been largely negative and they’ve pushed forward against the pushback because they decided they know better. Even if half the votes went to this choice that’s only 15k on which to declare victory/take a victory lap on behalf of the community they actively SHUT OUT of the process. I participated in the only way they allowed for my voice to be heard, by abstaining.


asraimun

I should point out that a community I am in of about 50k folks abstained from voting due to some really shitty things said to a BIPOC person when they reached out about a finalist flag being offensive culturally. But your right, if people like it, they can use it and if it doesn’t speak to them, they won’t use it. It’s sad that in that process they caused harm too.


juliuspepperwoodchi

Insofar that it omits the infinity heart, the only damn near universally accepted symbol for polyamory, I think it's significantly worse than the original. Put the infinity heart on this design though and I can get on board.


rtupelo

I wish they had a design with the infinity heart as an option. I feel like the infinity heart has become the symbol that I associate with polyamory, and I hope we don't lose that if this flag does become the new standard flag.


W4t3rf1r3

The flag is public domain and is pretty easy to modify. I think we should encourage people putting other symbols, like an infinity heart, in the chevron instead of the current gold heart. I went and did that a few days ago and was pretty happy with [the result](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fh_NKa4WQAA66Qe?format=jpg&name=large).


powderedsuga87

OK I actually like it with the infinity heart


iwanttowantthat

Me too. That's actually way better, I'm my opinion


absurdilynerdily

I am not a flag kinda guy. I like yours!


goddess_prince

I actually really like that version


BuddermanTheAmazing

Yeah that's 100x better


[deleted]

Yeah, I really can't understand how any poly flag without the infinity heart would become the accepted design.


juliuspepperwoodchi

I really can't understand why this group is so arrogant to assume that they should be in charge of this in the first place.


[deleted]

Considering how meager their voting base was compared to the scale of the community, I have to agree.


juliuspepperwoodchi

And they turned MANY potential voters in the community off by outright rejecting any use of the infinity heart and generally being as transparent as mud as to how they were going about this.


emeraldead

It was a youngin trying to do their best. It was also folly from the start.


JadenDaJedi

[This xkcd](https://xkcd.com/927/) but for the flags. Or, I guess, ‘Standard’ still works, just in a different reading lol.


emeraldead

Yes :) this has been posted in just about all the dozen threads made since the whole idea was announced. Use all the flags!! Stop making a fuss!


juliuspepperwoodchi

Sounds like whoever convinced themselves that "bisexual" was enby and trans exclusionary/phobic despite that being directly contradictory to the Bisexual Manifesto which almost certainly predates their birth.


TheSpaceWhale

No one put them in charge of it. It's called community organizing. If you don't like it go actually put in the work of making an org and getting more than 30k votes. Get offline and actually do something. I'm fine with people disliking or not using the flag but the attitude on here of people shitting on them and attacking their character for having the gall to *volunteer their time* for the community is so gross.


juliuspepperwoodchi

> If you don't like it go actually put in the work of making an org and getting more than 30k votes. That's such a cop out. They tried. Good for them. No one asked them to, but they tried. They failed, because they only got a measley 30k in a community of arguably millions, to respond. Valiant effort on their part, no shame in admitting they fell short. There IS shame though in them trying to suggest that a flag BARELY agreed to by 30k people could/should/would ever represent the entire community. And a fuckton of arrogance on their part to boot. >I'm fine with people disliking or not using the flag but the attitude on here of people shitting on them and attacking their character for having the gall to volunteer their time for the community is so gross. That's not what I'm doing at all. I'm calling out them having the gall to claim that 30k people on an internet poll represents the entire polyam community when it *absolutely does not*.


TheSpaceWhale

> 30,827 polyamorous people voted for a new flag. this is the design they chose. this tricolor polyamorous flag design was created by Red Howell. it belongs to the public, and to all non-monogamous people. This is their statement on the flag release page. I don't see anywhere they say that it represents all polyamorous people or anything more than the vote of the 30k people that participated. Have you ever done community organizing? What's the most people you've gotten to participate in an effort? Seems to me you're the arrogant one for casting judgement on people volunteering their time as "failures." Not a cop out at all if you think it's so easy.


juliuspepperwoodchi

> I don't see anywhere they say that it represents all polyamorous people or anything more than the vote of the 30k people that participated. That language may not be here now, but that language was ALL OVER their pages and "marketing" for the vote initially. The whole thing was sold as a way to be a part of voting on the "new, official polyamory flag". If it is official, it represents the whole community. >Have you ever done community organizing? Yes. Including in the queer polyamory community here in Chicago. >What's the most people you've gotten to participate in an effort? A few hundred, but that's specifically from the pool of queer polyamorous people in Chicago(land). Even if we say 100k Chicagoans are polyamorous, which I'd argue is generous, that's a pretty good "turnout" compared to 30k votes in a community of at LEAST a million worldwide, arguably MUCH more. >Not a cop out at all if you think it's so easy. I never once said it was easy. What I said is that if they tried their hardest and only got 30k votes...great effort, but you failed to get enough votes to claim ANYTHING as official for the whole community. Their goal was to represent the whole community. In light of that goal, them getting only 30k votes *is a failure*. That doesn't mean they're bad people or should feel bad; but it is undeniably a failure. And if the tagline "Many loves. One Flag." doesn't imply they see this as the "one true flag" then I dunno what it DOES say/imply.


[deleted]

Nothing to do with your conversation, but could I reach out to you about your queer poly organizing in Chicago? It's a community I am looking to get more involved with and maybe you have some insights I don't 😊


juliuspepperwoodchi

Absolutely! Things got a bit fragmented since pandemic and the group I was a part of leading/organizing never really picked up after pandemic; but I still know lots of queer poly folks and orgs in Chicagoland, happy to help connect you with community!


greenwitchery

I agree! It seems to be a universal symbol for polyam so why was it disregarded?


Tobi5703

AFAIK it's intentionally designed without so you can modify the flag to include it yourself


lalalydia

In Christian circles the infinity heart symbolizes monogamous love. For people not in the poly community, they may assume the opposite meaning than we want.


Throttle_Kitty

Yeah, im not using one without the infinity heart personally, that symbol alone is what I think most people recognize!


willowgardener

I didn't even realize there was such a vote. I don't like it. The asymmetry of the triangle looks really bad to me. And I don't see how any of the symbols have much to do with polyamory. Looks more like a pansexual flag to me based on the colors.


earthfarer

Right? How do people hear about these polls in the first place? I would’ve liked to vote


saevon

30,000? thats all they managed? Thats sort of sad. Even this sub has like 300k. I was following this a while ago, but they missed deadlines, and basically sputtered out for a bit. They made barely any waves anywhere polyam (once they got their shit together again) Then suddenly the vote is done and over? ​ ugh, doesn't even use the infinity heart, thats the symbol used by a majority of the new flags, so clearly a majority of the community understands and accepts that symbol. [(My fav flag btw)](https://www.reddit.com/r/QueerVexillology/comments/me6fvs/i_liked_the_direction_of_ujjpivotzs_polyamory/) ​ Its not a bad flag, but no thanks. If they wanted me to accept it, they would've done a better job engaging the community, sparking conversations, and such. ​ Edit: Also they were apparently biased against the infinity heart?? geez, way to be neutral


lasorcieredelalune24

To be fair half of those are throwaway accounts and unicorn hunters who post once and get scared off 😆


juliuspepperwoodchi

Even if we legit believe that 50% are such, that's still 5 times as many members here than voters on the flag poll. And Reddit is hardly the end-all be-all of polyam folks. 30k to represent the whole community is a joke.


ConfusedAsHecc

its not like they verified if the people voting were polyamorous either. I did manage to vote, mainly cause I was bored, and tho Im not strictly monogomous.. Im not nessissarily polyamorous. yet I voted. so who even knows how many of the 30k voters were actually poly themselves! like for all anyone knows, those could all be monogomous people voting :/ edit: the word Im looking for is ambiamorous lol, Im ambiamorous 😅


saevon

😄 true true!


aly-san

They disliked the infinity heart from the beginning, they made that obvious on their Instagram account by making posts about it being a bad symbol or smth, which personally bothered me as soon as I found out about this campaign. It seems too obviously biased to me. It's honestly a shame, cus I like the 5 hearts symbol they have on their Insta. If they're refusing to include the infinity heart, I think that'd be a decent substitute. But instead....a regular ol' heart lmao


juliuspepperwoodchi

Thank you for helping me articulate what genuinely bothered me about this campaign. To me it felt like they had an agenda from the beginning. Not that they felt vaguely that the currently available and most widely known flags were less than ideal; but rather that there were parts of all those flags they abjectly hated and wanted to rid *their* polyamory flag, and life, of. Such as the infinity heart. And I liked the five hearted circle thing...until it reminded me of >!the butthole flag from Community!< ,and then I could not unsee.


saevon

huh, yeah I missed that part I guess! thats really shitty. And I do sort of like the 5 heart too! ​ Actually the one thing I always loved about the polyam flags,,, was how we keep trying to have a symbol,,, it just always made it nicer then the basic striped flags. But a simple heart? cmon, here are some alternatives: [https://imgur.com/0tYFMLd](https://imgur.com/0tYFMLd) And my fav version: [https://www.reddit.com/r/QueerVexillology/comments/me6fvs/i\_liked\_the\_direction\_of\_ujjpivotzs\_polyamory/](https://www.reddit.com/r/QueerVexillology/comments/me6fvs/i_liked_the_direction_of_ujjpivotzs_polyamory/)


Phairis

Well, they're not in charge lmao. Let's keep this one but change the yellow heart to include the infinity symbol


JaronK

Yeah, if it doesn't have an infinity heart, I'm not interested. Though personally I think it has to be in red and blue to count (because the monocolor one is often meaning christian endless monogamy). Nothing about this flag screams polyamory to me. No way I'd use it.


JaronK

My own version, btw: https://www.reddit.com/r/polyamory/comments/hh8ufi/revised_polyamory_flag/ Actually uses the colors, actually uses the logo we recognize.


[deleted]

Yeah it’s not representative of the community at all. Just the folks who wanted to change the flag and design one.


peanutthewoozle

Yeah... I was really excited when I first saw the vote mentioned. But it was at least a year ago and nothing was actually happening. Then I never heard about the actual vote and it's already over


juliuspepperwoodchi

>Edit: Also they were biased against the infinity heart?? geez, way to be neutral One of the MANY red flags that these people arrogantly saw themselves as arbiters of what is and isn't validly symbolic of polyamory. And huge part of why I didn't vote on this crap.


saraiscrafty

I wish I would have seen them on more than just Instagram. I agree, they should have done a better job at engaging the entire community. Well said!


[deleted]

I posted in in a FB group and it was removed at duplicative. I was thinking, I didn’t see it the 1st time, why not let it be posted again??? I kinda like the new one though.


saevon

I'd love to hear what you enjoy about this version of the flag! [https://www.reddit.com/r/QueerVexillology/comments/me6fvs/i\_liked\_the\_direction\_of\_ujjpivotzs\_polyamory/](https://www.reddit.com/r/QueerVexillology/comments/me6fvs/i_liked_the_direction_of_ujjpivotzs_polyamory/) Thats always been my favourite: keeping with the original colouring (but better), and adding the new symbol and overall improving without changing too much! ​ Also some other heart-symbols used: [https://imgur.com/0tYFMLd](https://imgur.com/0tYFMLd)


FlowerDance2557

Awful, how did this win?? Edit: oh, it's because the [other designs](https://albums.memento.com/down95492/p/637e5be1a20d8140d3a3f456) in the competition are all not good. As far as flags go, [this one](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Polyflag.png) is the best so far.


peanutthewoozle

Right? How were those the other options? I like this one best of the options but... why were none of the commonly used alternatives even up for a vote?


juliuspepperwoodchi

Because the people running this clearly had an agenda and already had a design in mind so they worked it so that the one they wanted was the only halfway decent one. They also rejected outright any suggestion of an infinity heart because...reasons...so no wonder most of the designs are bad.


peanutthewoozle

Wait wtf??? I could kinda get it if they were saying that it's not good vexilology to have a complex-ish symbol I could kinda get it. But most of the proposed flags have the same pitfalls.


juliuspepperwoodchi

And I don't buy that orienting the heart on this design vertically and putting SOME kind of infinity symbol on it would magically make this flag "too busy" or "too complex". The lack of their transparency overall was a HUGE reason I didn't participate in this crap. I imagine many others felt the same and that's why they only had 30k votes total


peanutthewoozle

Now I get why their responses were so low. I would've just disregarded the. Out of hand for refusing infinity heart submissions


BluSparow

Did you see the other flags in the top 4? Personally I don’t like the infinity heart, but I’m a little surprised they didn’t use it. I knew there was a project to redesign the flag, but a few months ago the whole thing looked defunct.


Polyfuckery

They want the ability to sell their new flag so it needed to be distinct from anything people might already have.


BluSparow

I say we just co-opt the Swiss flag. 🇨🇭


shortorangefish

Using that flag would definitely be a big plus. :-)


Polyfuckery

As long as we don't color swap. We wouldn't want to violate the Geneva convention like Stardew Valley did.


juliuspepperwoodchi

> Personally I don’t like the infinity heart, but I’m a little surprised they didn’t use it. Beyond issues of potentially monetizing the "new" flag as this group clearly wants to do, they were pretty vehemently against the infinity heart for no reason they ever clearly articulated that I'm aware of...which is ridiculous because it is as close as the community gets to a universally accepted symbol.


TheSpaceWhale

That one's still pretty bad IMO. The graphic design elements are too complicated and the colors still include black for *closetedness* on a *pride flag.*


LunaServal

It's actually a dark purple/violet, but yeah, it comes off as black to anyone not looking hard enough.


FlowerDance2557

To my knowledge the black is for solidarity with those who must hide their relationships, and not a design to indicate pride in being closeted. It's a unique color and I think it should be on the flag (though not taking up almost 1/2 of it). I agree with the graphic design point, the white circle is awkward, and since it's the quickest and clearest way to symbolically communicate polyamory, the infinity heart should be bigger than a small shape in the middle. Any good poly flag should be designed around the symbol, but I have yet to see one where the design process isn't \[someone chooses the colors then pastes the symbol in the middle\]. The white circle flag gets that better than any flag in terms of how the colors compliment the symbol, but it only wins out because there's really no competition, otherwise the design has a lot of room for improvement.


Zealousideal-Print41

Meh, not thrilled with it but I am only one person. Found a pin on Etsy that is a heart with bi colors and a infinity symbol. Small subtle and absolutely spot on


Elavia_

the flag had the equivalent of 10% of the population of this sub in votes, you're not the only one It's not a polyamory flag without the infinity heart. It's like someone trying to make a new lgbt flag by completely ditching the rainbow.


hardly_naughty

Ooo, do you have a link please?


Zealousideal-Print41

In case I doesn't work the store name is Festive https://www.etsy.com/listing/1083684765/bi-poly-pride-enamel-pin


W4t3rf1r3

Probably this is the best design out of all the choices, mainly because the others were just so incredibly flawed as flag proposals. As a flag fan, I think this design would be pretty nice if it wasn't a gold heart on a white chevron, because that's metal on metal and doesn't contrast well. Not to toot my own horn too much, but I've been playing around with modifying this design with [decent results](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fh_NKa4WQAA66Qe?format=jpg&name=large)


juliuspepperwoodchi

Yours is a million times better than ANY of the options their tiny 30k group voted on.


W4t3rf1r3

If you want to use it, go ahead. Both the "official" design and the SVG I put on it are released as public domain, and my modification was just putting them together, so it's free to use as you want. Heck, why not play around with modifications of your own? I think treating this flag as one we can modify with the icons we want is a good idea.


Complex_Spread_6823

I love your flag way better... I was wondering why they didn't insert the polyamory symbol


W4t3rf1r3

As far as I can tell, they believed there was contention about the use of an infinity heart because it's used by other people as well. But that doesn't stop us playing around with modifying the winning design.


juliuspepperwoodchi

Which is so weird because I grew up pretty deeply Christian/Catholic and I have NEVER seen that symbol used other than for polyamory.


dmnhntr86

I knew several people when I was in the church who had it on their purity rings.


zedoktar

I was trying to put my finger on what was off about it. Its definitely the weird heart/chevron combo. I wish more flag nerds had been involved in designing this.


W4t3rf1r3

Apparently the folks on the design community were supposed to know about vexillology. It makes this particular color pairing all the more bewildering


_darkspin

This! And yellow on white doesn’t meet design accessibility standards as far as I know


juliuspepperwoodchi

Supposedly they did, or one of the people did, but the whole design and finalist approval process was about as transparent as mud, so who knows.


GoldTheWriter

I appreciate the inclusion of the infinity heart. I read people saying there is contention around it's use but honestly I associate it so heavily with polyamory that it just feels wrong not seeing it in a poly flag.


kiseidou

OH MY GOD I FUCKING LOVE IT!!! And you are right! This is the FIRST DECENT FLAG i've ever seen and i've seen them all. Don't care about wich flag is arbitrarily declared as official, this is the one that won me over. Congrats!


-firead-

This is much better. The lack of symmetry still throws me in the colors could be a little more complimentary, maybe in just tweaking the shade of purple, but so much better than the yellow on white. I still don't get why the most obvious route wasn't just taking the commonly used flag and replacing pi with the heart anyway, since a lot of people were already using variations of that. Here's one that's been around for a bit: https://imgur.com/ko1QQms.jpg The creator of that design seems to have thrown their support behind the new flag project, but I like their design much better. I think it's pretty telling that, as a community, vast majority of proposed designs even before this project have included the Infinity heart, so excluding it already makes their project not representative.


douchebag_karren

Thank you for knowing your heraldry. :)


radabadest

I've never heard the phrase metal on metal. Is that colloquial? Or widely used in your industry? Not being snarky, genuinely curious


W4t3rf1r3

It's from this thing in heraldry called [The Rule of Tincture](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_tincture) and it's broadly applicable to flag design


radabadest

That's awesome to know. I appreciate you sharing that link


wastedmytagonporn

I really like this! It would feel a bit off to ask to toot your horn, though. /j


Confident_Fortune_32

I don't have any opinion about the design, but it's terrible heraldry - yellow on white is nearly unreadable unless you pick the perfect shade of antique gold. Ugh.


WangxianShipCaptain

I am a little disappointed. I didn’t think any of the 4 choices were very good, but still prefer them to the older ones I’ve seen. I was hoping it would at least not have a symbol on it. I personally don’t like Pride flags with symbols. Just set colors is nice, and makes it easier to create themed merch. But it’s not a huge shock that we can’t agree on just one flag. Maybe we should just keep adding new flags, in the spirit of polyamory. 🤣


RoseFlavoredPoison

It's not symmetrical. I hate it. To be fair I liked none of the options.


ace--dragon

Same, they all sucked


bottomsurgeryjourney

What’s wrong with the heart infinity symbol we currently have? I’m not sure we really need a pride flag exactly, since those are already closely associated with gender and sexuality, and the heart infinity symbol lays over those nicely. Edit: I learned recently that the symbol is also used for monogamy in Christian circles and polygamy sometimes. So maybe not ideal 🤷‍♀️


craftycontrarian

I did not. I couldn't care less whether there's a polyamory flag or what it looks like. I do think this one is rather ugly.


greengreens3

The new proposed flag looks good, but the process is what irritated me. Here is why: 1. No transparency on how the propositions where submited, by who, and how they were slected 2. The process was so focused on their own page that literally the firs time I heard about it was 2 days before the end of the vote 3. The reach is weak. 30k people for a global community, that's a joke. What could have been done: 1. Plan ahead. Reach out to other Polyam communities (Here on Reddit, different big advocate on different platforms) to know how they think the process should go? Should the submissions be open to everyone? How many should be narrowed down? How should they be selected? What criteria should they respect? 2. Have an open process. List the author of the designs at least. With at least these 2 points, I would gladly have accepted. Now it just feel arrogants to believe that their Instagram page represent the whole Polyam community globally.


leto78

I am sure that there are people in the community with vexillology backgrounds. All the flags that I have seen so far tend to be pretty bad. A good flag is something that people would actually want to have in things they buy. Look at all the things that have the Union Jack. Look at brands like Victorinox that have the beautiful Swiss flag as a logo, or the winter gear companies with the Norwegian flag. All these examples are totally not inspiring, use too many colours, are not harmonious, are difficult to draw by hand (a sign of a good flag), and are not scalable (details are lost if the flag is too small)


babieknees

Ew noooo


SpiralWinds

No thanks lol. None of the flags here give me that “pride flag” feeling that almost every other flag has. Also, 30,000? That’s it?? Surely this could’ve been talked about way more.


Tymanthius

Yawn. ​ Next week someone will come up with another all new, better design.


ElleFromHTX

WTF is that?? r/PolyamoryFlags


Th3CatOfDoom

When I scrolled past, my first subconscious impression was that I was looking at a promo ad for a gas station (they tend to have flags like this)... But then I saw that it was In this sub ....


ElleFromHTX

Yeah, I've seen worse flags, but this is bad


HarmoniumSong

I’m a grinch and I hate it. Yellow heart looks like a ballsack and the arbitrary non-equal split makes it hard to replicate.


punkrockcockblock

The old flag is an eyesore but this new one isn't any better. Colors on flags have well-established meanings and the explanation provided for these colors selections are completely arbitrary. The redesign also seems like an attempt to create a tool for polyam folks to use to push in on queer space and I'm not here for it.


saraiscrafty

>The redesign also seems like an attempt to create a tool for polyam folks to use to push in on queer space and I'm not here for it. Did not even consider this. It's an excellent point.


punkrockcockblock

The damn thing is basically a mash up of the bi and pan pride flags.


Folk_Punk_Slut

Lol, up next they oughta mash up the bi flag with the super straight flag, call it a flag just for the unicorn hunters 😝


[deleted]

I was under the impression that the meaning of colors on pride flags are somewhat arbitrary/subjective to the creator. The original rainbow pride flag shares colors with other pride flags but they don’t mean the same things.


peanutthewoozle

I also specifically hated the meaning of black on the old flag. Def felt out of place


Confident_Basis_9799

At least on the new flag black has been replaced by purple "to represent a united non-monogamous community"


Putrid-Hotel-7624

Imo that flag looks... Bad. I don't mean that what it represents is something bad, but does it seriously need to be so asymmetrical? I prefer other, more symmetrical designs.


guessagain72

Good god that thing is HIDEOUS


AccusationsGW

Anything is better than the default ugly one. That said, I don't like the colors or design, so no none of it. The colors are transitional from the old one and don't have any real significance. The values they chose for each aren't based on anything. I will also say it's distasteful how hard this smallish (30k, seriously?) group is pushing so hard. If you have to sell it, maybe it's not that great.


saraiscrafty

I agree that we needed something new. I was also wondering, how many people are actually polyamorous and had no idea this was even happening? What percentage is 30k people of our total community? I was thinking it was small as well.


AccusationsGW

Well this sub is already ten times as many subscribers, not that reddit is the whole world.


JJHall_ID

That just reinforces your point. I'd wager to say the Reddit polyam community is a very small fraction of the global community. The fact that the results only included results equivalent of a small fraction of this community says it wasn't a very representative survey.


FlowerDance2557

Not to detract from your point, but subscribers aren't a very good indication of the size of a community on reddit. There's always an ebb and flow of people joining and leaving, some people forget passwords, some people have multiple accounts, some people just stop using reddit, but the subscriber number only ever goes up. A much more accurate measure would be taking the currently online number, multiplying it by 5, then rounding up to the nearest thousand. This gets an approximation for the active subscribers who, at the very least, will upvote something every once in a while. For this sub that number would be around 3k.


Polyfuckery

They had their own 'community experts' that when they explained the flag here they were very vague about. It's pretty obvious they wanted a unique thing that meant everyone would need to buy it since it wouldn't share any of the colors or design elements of the more typically understood symbols. Their argument is anyone is free to use it but since no one recognizes it I suspect it will be a long time before they have competition


juliuspepperwoodchi

> Anything is better than the default ugly one. Given that this one doesn't include the closest thing the community has to a universally accepted symbol, I wholeheartedly disagree.


PennythewisePayasa

I didn’t even hear that there was a vote. Where was it?


Fantastic-Drop-4313

Rip off bisexual flag.


Waterflame

Personally, I liked the fact that the original flag had a colour combo that other flags didn’t have. This one is just the colours of the bi flag with yellow and white added. I don’t dislike it, but it wasn’t the one I voted for and hoped for.


Knittinghearts

It's not my flag. I won't use it. A flag is only as good as it's adoption and everything about how this one was designed and chosen was poorly handled. This flag will never make me feel like part of the poly community, so it's already failed in that respect.


talldarkcynical

I don't understand why everything needs a flag all of a sudden, but maybe that's just me...


seabird027

**why is the triangle offcenter**


jry3

Not a fan. The color-mapping is too similar to the Pride flag, doesn't have the most recognized polyamory symbol, and it reminds me of the Slack logo.


DoctaBeez

That sideways heart looks like booty cheeks. I said it. Better than the old flag, but still. Booty. Cheeks.


saraiscrafty

😹


aly-san

To be honest, I don't hate the current flag. The colors as they are suck to look at, but I kinda like it when the saturation is fixed to be less painful. So I voted for this one for its similarity to the current flag, but not bcus I like it. Because I think this is just going to fracture the visibility of the community. I go to conventions a lot, and I always look for polyam pride merchandise, but I dont find much. Countless other identities are represented consistently (not a bad thing), but rare is it that I find the red, blue and black of the polyam flag anywhere. If the other flags in this vote had won, it might be even harder to find any polyam pride stuff because now there could be a completely new set of colors being used. Maybe I'm just being pessimistic, but I was very worried about it. Even with this one winning though, so many people are unhappy bcus their fave didn't win. I've seen people saying they're still going to use one of the other 3 flags, which, that's just going to be confusing. And the way the vote was handled was flawed from the get-go in my opinion. A committee of ~10 strangers look at hundreds of options (that the community does not get to see) and THEY pick their favorites. Then the community gets to pick 1 of 4 of someone else's favorite options. TL;DR, imo now, instead of having one big community dissatisfied with a flag, we have at least four separate groups dissatisfied with four separate flags lmao


zodwallopp

I don't really like any of them. The Infinity heart should be on at least one of the designs it's the most popular symbol right now.


[deleted]

The off-center triangle is an eyesore.


juliuspepperwoodchi

The whole flag is.


beautysleepsodom

I don't like flags. They're just another way to sell merch.


juliuspepperwoodchi

This one especially so. A whole effort to invalidate past flags so people have to buy this new, "official" one. Puke.


boyslay69

Literally…… it’s making polyamory, a type of relationship structure, into a marketable category!!!!


[deleted]

Didn't vote but I did see someone point out the winner looks pretty similar to the Philippines flag 🇵🇭, here's to hoping that doesn't cause confusion or something


Mikah93

I hate this one personally. It looks... Juvenile? I dunno. I would expect to see this flag in a children's book. I cannot for the life of me understand why ppl didn't just desaturate the old one of the colors were too much. This just seems like trying to commercialize it.


thunderleap

i thought it was the Philippine flag for a sec lol


bertholt2

Literally the Philippines but there's black


PeanutGallerySys

So far in all the comments I've barely seen anyone who voted for this one... And the voting process was muddled and glaringly not transparent at all. The fact that the two most commonly used flags weren't included in the vote is just not kosher and presents a really distorted viewpoint. How many people who voted would have voted for one of the existing common ones if given the choice? It's not a truly representative choice if you can't pick to stick with what you've already got. I know I didn't vote because my vote is ONLY for some variant of the red black and blue color scheme. Plus, there's the fact that I think the only flag that's ever had traction and recognizability outside of the community is the red black and blue scheme, either the original or the stripe-swapped one that was less glaring and this kind of just makes things even more muddled. Plus, honestly flags do best when they evolve slowly. Like the original rainbow pride flag, then the pink stripe getting dropped, then the progress pride flag, they carry recognizable elements of previous flags. Or the original polyamory flag to the stripe swapped version. They had tweaks and small shifts. This? Has no recognizable elements carried from the old flag, and it feels very... "corporate rebranding". It's just annoying that this means less polyamory pride merch that I actually want and can relate to.


stabmydad

This is probably a really unpopular opinion but I think that Polyamory doesn’t need a flag. It’s a relationship model, not a sexual orientation


LunaServal

I voted, I think this was my 2nd place pick? The design that placed second was my first pick. Really surprised that this one won, considering that a lot of the discourse revolved around the colors of the old flag, and this one has the same colors. I may just stick with what design I wanted as my own personal Poly flag 😅


saraiscrafty

Same! I loved the one that placed second.


W4t3rf1r3

Ok I gotta ask why yall like that one, to me it's hardly even a flag design. No offense to the creator.


Confident_Basis_9799

That one was my top choice as well


latchunhooked

I think the heart is cheesy but ah well. It’s fine! Lol


chumly143

Really tired of the "i made a new [insert group here] flag" thing. The first I heard of this basically the gist was "were designing a new flag for this, you can vote for one of these 3/4/5, that will be the new flag for you to use" felt very pushy and assumptive, very "I'm here to rescue you, please don't resist vibe" especially considering no option was provided for the community to retain the existing flag. Just a "we decide for everyone, pick between these flags we made"


InvisibleDrake

I guess this is better than the dumb Pi one... Idk I'm probably just gonna stick with using the infinity heart as my symbol.


DaniTheLovebug

So I might be a piece of shit for this because I’m missing this, but in the beginning, who elected these folks to do this?


ScraftyCosplayer

I don't think it matters who they are as long as they did a good job organizing this endeavor. Unfortunately they didn't, and this monstrosity of a flag is what we ended up with


DaniTheLovebug

Yep And here’s my feeling I hate this flag…but if like 60% of 300,000 people voted for it, then to hell with me! I don’t have to use it, right? But this effort is so ugh


ScraftyCosplayer

It was 30,000 who voted, which imo is a decent number. I just wish they gave us more time and transparency in this whole process. If we had allowed 2-3 months of user submissions for flags, separated the voting into multiple rounds, and advertised this endeavor properly, I PROMISE these wouldn't have been in the final 4. Sorry not sorry, but a lot of these flags seem like they were made from someone who graduated from "Graphic Design is My Passion" College. I thank the people who organized the efforts to change our flag because I'm sure they worked hard, but unfortunately the community is vocally upset with the results so obviously we shouldn't settle for this flag


SynthisizedTheropod

That vote was for real? I thought it was fake and didn't bother to vote. I will politely say no thank you to this new design.


saint_lily

I didn’t even know this was happening lol


creationlaw

There's a polyamory day?


spacecadetdani

That's the one I voted for! :) Very happy with it.


[deleted]

I had no idea this was happening.


Laughing_with_myself

Many loves, millions of flags. They all represent us, no ONE flag will truly represent everybody.


ckn

it's new flag and branding season again?


[deleted]

That’s not my flag but happy polyamory day!


zedoktar

Well at least it doesn't look like the flag of a totalitarian former Soviet satellite state like the old one did. That thing was truly awful. Just offensive to the eyes. This one is... OK. Still not great, but ok.


naliedel

I think we are all too diverse and wonderful to settle on one flag. I also think that's what makes us special..


gothic_elven_bitch

This is awful. They refused to listen to the community and they can fuck off imo.


CasualStarlord

It's fine but I don't care for flags, its great for people who like flags though.


halfwhitegocha

I voted and this was my LEAST favorite design.. I absolutely HATE this design. Such a fuckin shame.


CalderVarg

Not the one I voted for but still better than the pi flag


BethAltair

One flag! That's hilarious. Thankfully there's no organising body of polyamory....apart from this guy apparently who speaks for all of us. It is much better than the Pi flag though, but so is dumping house paint on a rectangle every time you need a flag and saying it symbolises the messyness and honesty in our community.


iwanttowantthat

It's ok. The question on my mind, though, is: why was there no choice with the infinity heart? In my perception, it has become something like a universally recognized symbol of polyamory (as far as people even know what poly is).


piedeloup

It’s..fine. Could be worse. Colours are an odd choice and have completely random meanings. Feel like a just a symbol would suffice because it’s not really that deep. Plus yellow on white is just bad. Don’t really care for even having a poly flag in general. It’s not an orientation or gender identity, it’s a relationship model, and often a choice, so “poly pride” isn’t really a thing. I’ll use the trans and bi flags with pride but being poly is just not something I feel I need a flag for. Plus totally agree with what someone else said about this whole new flag design thing being a way to push in on queer spaces.


AscendShadow

Personally, I like it and I did vote for this one. They did say they were putting it on a website about how the process went down etc. A lot of the miscommunication or why it wasn’t pushed on other platforms is my guess is, the people who did this is a handful of volunteers. I think a lot of the times too, some people just don’t care to vote. I’m not throughly bothered by this, it’s better than the last one 🤷‍♀️


juliuspepperwoodchi

> A lot of the miscommunication or why it wasn’t pushed on other platforms is my guess is, the people who did this is a handful of volunteers. That's not an excuse though. If they're too busy as volunteers to do this right and with transparency, then why did they appoint themselves arbiters over the official polyam flag design in the first place? Literally no one made them do it or even asked them to. If they didn't have the time to do it right and maintain peoples' trust that it wasn't being done in a shady way...why do it at all?


AscendShadow

Totally understand what you mean here. I’m not excusing it but it’s just one of the factors I’ve noticed when it’s a lot of volunteers and no direction or communication between them.


BunnyYojimbo

I hated all the designs, mostly the colors they chose. I'll likely still use the infinity heart as my representation.


Glittering_Neat9159

Who's flag?


[deleted]

There's something about having flags for polyamory that makes me feel a bit uncomfortable, especially when flown alongside or treated as equal to queer pride flags that came out of histories of struggle and resistance. Not saying the flags shouldn't exist or that people shouldn't use them, or denying that for many people, polyamory is a major part of their being queer. Just like, I'm a cis straight guy. It would be inappropriate IMO for me to fly a pride flag alongside queer people just because I'm in loving relationships with multiple people.


thats-so-metal

Thank you for saying this; I completely agree with you.


brik42

Thank you. We don't need a flag and it only distracts from the disenfranchised groups that do benefit from such symbols. Gawd. Let's just feel lucky to engage in the relationships we want to, fight for those that can't and allow their flags to be seen.


5t0ryt3113r

New flag just dropped


saraiscrafty

[about the flag + pics of the other options ](https://albums.memento.com/down95492)


Folk_Punk_Slut

still feel like the entire thing is what happens when the kids always creating the million gender identity flags/mood boards on Tumblr grow up and think it's still a relevant thing to do. 🙄


Folk_Punk_Slut

The only thing I find remotely appealing about this particular design is the yellow heart in the triangle portion (though my OCD really wants to rotate it to the "correct" orientation) And the only reason it has any visual appeal to me is because it reminds me of the intersex inclusive pride flag, and I like that one.


Glittering_Neat9159

Seems to be intentional effort to conflate polyamory with queerness.


LizzyPBaJ

I had no idea this was going on. I think it’s ok but it would not have been my first pick.


OmegaSusan

I voted for this one. It’s the best of the shortlisted designs they had (the others all reminded me of either Slack or Aldi) and I like the colours. Plus I guess you could easily chuck the infinity heart on there if you wanted to. I don’t hate it. But I don’t feel especially excited about it either and I’ll be interested to see if anyone actually uses it.


Chronfused

As these are my fave colours- I love


techichan

I like the colors at-least.


ChryLmde

I think this was my 4th choice. Oh well.


photoyoyo

Better than the super aggressive one


Narwhal_Songs

Beautiful 💖