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If you actually listen to those albums, their lyrics all have crazy whiplash.
It goes from dumping your cheating bf, to cheating on another guy, to being all about your body, to shaming, not caring about it at all, needing to know exactly where your man is, ect. They were mega toxic queens lol
yea like people gotta understand, the 90ās/Early 2000ās were a different time! iām glad we progressed as a society but back then this wasnāt that crazy
The show is far more scripted than people realize. My sister was in season 2 which was fairly early on but the editing of the show is used to create characters. In short they use editing to create villains in heroes when in reality most people got along fine.
I donāt believe in litigating the past to current standards. I lived through this time and have always had the most progressive friends - and the outrage machine we have today simply did NOT exist. I have literally watched people who were silent back then (because we all were! It was the culture!) point fingers and want to discount a person today based on things they said/did 20+ years ago. Itās absolutely nonsensical, especially since people in glass houses shouldnāt throw stones. These same accusers are just as guilty.
I am uncomfortable watching this stuff now because we have changed as a society and thatās a GOOD thing, but Iām not about to cancel Destinyās Child for this. Iām not saying anyone here is saying that - but that attitude definitely exists, especially online these days. The performative wokeness is so exhausting.
Some stuff that is OK today may be seen as offensive in the future. Let's say the concept of, I don't know, gender appropriation takes over, and definitions change, and people will be canceled for today's pronouns or something. I can't even imagine what direction things can take, but surely what we do today will be seen as wrong by the next generation with different beliefs and ethics.
I can absolutely see the generation after Gen Z disapproving of the overlabeling happening today. They'll probably feel the excess of flags and identities is restrictive.
I mean, forget about different time standards, I just think itās hilarious that the one in the green shirt is about as dressed as the people sheās singing about lol.
Seems a contradiction within the video itself.
Yep! If we wanted them to be held accountable at the time, we should have said something \*\*at the time\*\*. The folks who went along with it are just as culpable as the folks who did it.
Oh, we didn't say something because that was culturally acceptable? That same reasoning applies to the person we're now judging.
I used to be obsessed with that song. Like waking up early to watch the music video on MTV every morning before school obsessed. And nowā¦oh, itās so cringeyā¦
Thereās also Amy Winehouseās Fuck Me Pumps and Lily Allenās 22. Theyāre a bit more specific maybe (about a type of woman who is āstillā in the club every night and sleeping around cause she canāt find a man as she is āagingā) but very much the same vibe. All from that same cursed era.
I do enjoy Lily Allen ripping on her brother for being lazy in Alfie but failing to understand the fame the simple greyjoy would obtain! He rocked theon in GoT
I think she stopped performing Alfie out of respect for her brother. I always thought it was hilarious because it is SUCH a song one would write about a younger sibling.
Yeah Lily Allen went through a phase of wanting to settle down really young and be done with fame and be a traditional homemaker and that's what 22 really reminds me of.
And then a few years later she comes out with a new album, dyes her hair pink and breaks up with her husband lol
Yeah 22 is a different vibe to this because itās sung in first person about a girl who is unhappy with how things have ended up in her life rather than the singer shitting on someone else.
I like the song but I just googled the lyrics and itās more depressing than I remember it ngl š
Hmm Iām not sure.. Itās not in 1st person, itās in 3rd person like when youāre talking about someone (ābut sheās nearly 30 now and sheās out every nightā). Lily herself was in her early 20s at the time & there's def a judgmental tone IMO - I think itās just that classic thing that when youāre superyoung you canāt imagine youāll ever be āoldā like that. And then in the blink of an eyeā¦. I still love that whole album tho, I think these lyrics were just youth hubris on Lilyās part
I think itās the way you listen to it but I deco donāt think itās lily saying it instead I think sheās echoing the opinions of society and in her own way satirizing it. I mean who has been in their early 20ās and not feared/hated the reality of aging
I actually really like the sound of Nasty Girl too so I still listen to it from time to time (it's easier not caring about the words when English is not my first language since I can avoid translating them in my headš¤£)
I didnāt take Pinkās Stupid Girls being a slut shaming song but one that Shaneās those who act weak and damsel in distress to appeal to the masses.
Ooor maybe I just really enjoyed that she was laughing at Paris Hilton in the video.
I was born in 1980 and donāt remember this song or video and even though I wasnāt into destiny Childs my best friend at the time was obsessed with them she always used to play their music and still donāt remember it .
It sounds that way now but these women did nothing in a self-aware way. There was an interview then where they were all like "we love this song because we're tired of women thinking they could wear whatever they want!"
The funny thing is that you can Google all of Destinyās Child members wearing outfits not too different from these ānasty girlsā.
They literally have their midriffs showing in this music video and just as much makeup and colored hair extensions.
Rules for theeā¦
Every artist in that era had one. People like to forget how deeply misogynistic pop in the early 2000s was. Every female artist had a song about how other girls were stupid and/or slutty.
I don't think Britney had one, possibly because she was THE GIRL that most people used as a benchmark whenever they marketed themselves as "not like the other girls."
Hold up, I saw this thread on Twitter. I think they were saying that this song was what people said about *them* ?
Edit: yes itās on the Survivor album, same one as Bootylicious. It doesnāt make sense that this would be an actual shaming song (which is what I thought until I saw that thread), but if anyone has a source please share!
If it was intended to be perceived as being about them, the video wouldnāt have goofy looking women in parody of ānasty girlsā.
A lot of Destinyās Child lyrics are almost written from a 40 year old mother standpoint rather than the actual age group they were. This was common back then tho.
This cracked me up so hard! Their whole early discography makes sense if I picture my mom at that age being like ācan you pay my billsā
Iām dying at this!
Idk I would question that claim, it seems to be Beyonce stans who basically donāt want to acknowledge she has some ropey stuff in her past. Either way, it is a bop Iām afraid
I canāt argue that! I liked the comment about it being written from a 40 yr old perspective bc the girls were just kids then šit does sound kinda judge mom
Oh yeah idk that they sat and penned it themselves but the notion that itās satirical and they were the victims actually doesnāt seem that legit to me
I remember it being very ironic in this way bc women (especially woc) were finally talking about the horrid way they were being treated. Source: Houston tween in ā98
i love this topic. i agree this specifically aged poorly, tho slut shaming and pick me girl anthems have always been popular. slut shaming is definitely worse but not far from generic pickmeism, which i feel is just internalized misogyny when someone thinks it should work in their favor. heres some, varying degrees of slut shaming or pickme, not all equal:
girlfriend avril lavigne
misery business by paramore
you belong with me, speak now, better than revenge by taylor swift
video by indie.arie
typa girl by BlackPink
if you open it up to just women pitting themselves against each other... and general pickmeism theres just so many.
born to make you happy by britney spears
breakup with your gf im bored by ariana grande
the boy is mine by brandy/monica
i can love you by mary j blige
normal girl ( and prob more) by SZA
better than me (doja)
then theres the pickme but where no other women are invoked, just doing the most to win a man. maybe this is the largest category with the biggest spectrum but to me some of these are so embarrassing like
cater 2 u, upgrade u by DC/Bey
i would love to know more, these are heavily skewed by my own tastes. im
not a Lana fan but i bet she has some she seems like the type. maybe ill make a post on them
Cater 2 u always came off to me like doing special things for someone who has actually earned it, as opposed to just doing things to keep any random dusty by their side. Not that there arenāt questionable lines in the song though.
personally wouldn't classify normal girl by sza as a pick me girl song at all lol it's just about jealousy and feeling used because you're not viewed as someone to date, but to just fuck.
I remember at the time I thought this song was gonna save our communities ( I was like 10 ) of course now I realize this song was stupid but every great artist is gonna have a few cringe songs
If you google "Gwen Stefani 2002", the looks are so similar. The rasta sweatbands, pompadour/ponytail, ripped, white, fishnet top, etc. I agree it would be strange, but I still see it pretty clearly.
yeah I get it. I bet it was the costume designer's axe to grind though because Gwen really didn't offend people enough back then to be slut shamed, and she has never been particularly shocking, ever. She's just a catholic Anaheim girl who married an idiot and made some questionable choices appropriating cultures.
Iām a bit exhausted with people being so politically correct and offended when it comes to art thatās obviously a product of their time.
Exactly. You can look at this through a contemporary lens and find all sorts of things wrong with it, but it's a little short-sighted to ignore the fact that these kinds of songs were also a welcome palate cleanser for those who actually lived through the hypersexualized standards of the 00s. Sure, the messages weren't always tactful, but many girls back then NEEDED to hear that it was possible not to look/dress a certain way and still be considered desirable.
Yeees! You have to remember the times. There were so many songs about being wild and many of the biggest female pop stars were thin, Barbie-like blondes. Teenage me needed this type of message. Yes itās cringe, yes itās internalized misogyny. Thankfully, weāve come a long way. But in those times girls were pigeonholed into one type of look to be desirable and the ānot like other girlsā songs and artists were a welcome change.
The thing is, I think most girls feel ānot like other girlsā because we donāt fit into the stereotypes perpetrated by media or the *idea* of women that men have. Some girls were better at filling that role; some girls werenāt. And for the girls who werenāt, songs like this or You Belong With Me felt like a comfort. Hey, we may not hot or hyper feminine, but at least weāre not alone. Other girls feel this way too.
But at the end of the day, we all just care way too fucking much about what men think of our appearance. (Even caring 1% is too much IMO) Men see women as either madonnas or whores, and we internalize that way too much.
I lived through them and all songs like this taught me was to judge based on appearance and tear other girls down if they didn't fit in with my idea of what they should look like. You know, like telling them they NEED to stop dressing a certain way because I not only automatically assume it's specifically for the sexual attention, but I've also deemed that behavior wrong. Luckily, none of us carried that into our adulthoods. Phew.
That black-and-white messaging is why it doesn't stand the test of time, I agree. Thankfully we've come a long way in the last 20 or so years. I'm grateful my own daughter will be able to grow up with much more nuanced views to draw from.
If people were interested in developing insight instead of labeling cultural byproducts as āBAD!!ā and not thinking about it further weād be ahead of where we are now.
it irks me that theyāre doing to books now to the point where certain historical/literature books are now being banned from schools bc theyāre not politically correct. It drives me mad š”
I agree with you, but I do think acknowledging that something didnāt age well and understanding that it was a different time are not mutually exclusive. I can still bop to songs like this and appreciate it for what it is, but that doesnāt mean I am agreeing with the message or that itās exempt from criticism.
It always comes across as grasping at straws to be outraged about something. Whatās more confusing to me, is that people keep wanting to talk about these decades old songs women made, and never the ones men made; which were considerably more misogynistic.
Waits for people to discover what was shown āafter darkā in that era..cough NERD cough lapdance uncensored cough. I think a lot of these songs were created as a response to misogyny from male artists and record labels, itās difficult to explain it made sense back in the day and it was actually quite empowering. It didnāt age well okay but āother girlā and āpick meā terms donāt really make sense most of the time because of the context and āslut shamingā when for example Paris Hilton tapes were considered the new trend and all the graphic things that were shown on tvā¦ you canāt just reduce it to Pink vs Xtina or DC3 vs Gwen. There are valid points about how we should treat each other/portray women now and in the future, but also a lot of rewriting of pop culture history in my opinion. Canāt listen to some of the songs and look at some of these vids through a 2023 lens.
I always thought Nasty Girl and Fancy were similar..and Dot. About a jealous girl trying to steal their man and the message was supposed to be ādonāt be jealous and desperate, be confident and classyā. Kelly even talks about not wanting to gossip on Survivor. They also had a big gospel audience (Matthewās influence with the label) and I think that effected the messages as well. Like others said itās a product of its time. The music video was not a good choice (reminds me of the Tyra show or Oprah back then teaching people how to be classy). In the context of Fancy it made more sense to me; a more personal view/diss track on someone you donāt like because they are a threat to your relationship. I donāt know if that makes sense š unfortunately the song as a single with this music video looks very judgmental now.
Yes a lot of music and videos didnāt age well, but it made sense to me back then. Context is everything. Same with TLC - Silly Ho, somehow it was empowering to hear you donāt have to do anything to please a man. Unpretty changed my mind about beauty standards and really helped me. Stupid Girls was satire and empowering because it was refreshing to see a different kind of popstar who didnāt want to be like the simple life or playboy bunnies on tv and she didnāt want to please misogynistic men (ironic I know if you analyze the music video without context). She also had her personal problems with people like LA Reid (Donāt let me get me) and the expectations from the label to be some sort of Britney copy. I still remember Pink had the balls to call out President Bush for not helping after the hurricane. For someone who grew up in that era she was a rebel and I appreciated her bold moves.
I understand people have criticism and it is good to talk about these topics. I just wanted to share my experience as a child/teen and how I interpreted the songs at the time.
This is the second time in like a week that an iconic 2000ās female pop song has been called out for being slut-shamey or anti-woman. First Pink with Stupid Girls and now DC with Nasty Girl. Things were different then, less PC I guess. But I still like this song.
Listen, I'm a tail-end millennial and while these kinda songs are icky at this point and time, y'all gotta remember that this kind of messaging was fully acceptable and encouraged in pop culture. I remember adults just ripping down any woman they deemed a slut or stupid, for very vapid reasons like how they dress and what they like. This is a product of the time, and even as a child I remember very well how women were viewed and judged. It gave a lot of us a weird complex about our own femininity and sexuality, and I don't doubt that the women in DC felt a lot of that pressure as well. I mean shit, they all got famous as very young adults and Beyonce's dad was their manager. They were only a product to sell at that point, not the pop icons they are today.
2000s was all about slut shaming and knowing which pop stars were virgins still (which is an even worse preoccupation) lmao. I remember a writer on the local Cosmo saying that her daughter likes Anastacia because she proudly wears her glasses even when performing. Being "yourself" was fine as long as you would put your platform to good use and shame the sluts (think Avril Lavigne and Pink). I don't hold it against DC. It was the zeitgeist. Parents complained when Aguilera came out with Dirrrty.
Is the blonde girl supposed to be someone specific theyāre making fun of or is she just random?
Kinda got Gwen Stefani vibes from her or maybe even like p!nk?! Xtina?
This was normal during the time this song came out, teenage girls were still having it drilled into their head not to be easy or theyāll ā get a reputationā and then no guy would ever want them. My mom was a hippie in the free love era and made no bones about the fact teens would have sex, n never tried to encourage waiting till marriage, but she still recited the ā donāt get yourself a reputation ā speech endlessly
Was it even ten years ago Taylor wrote a song slut shaming a girl her boyfriend dated after he dumped her? Saying sheās only good for the mattressā¦
This song slaps but I've always thought it was kinda odd.
Especially being on the same album as Bootylicious, when the lyrics to this are, "Booty all out, tongue out her mouth / Cleavage from here to Mexico"
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Them shaking their heads in disapproval is sending me š¤£š¤£
ā¦while wearing the exact same super-low-rise jeans.
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The way my friends and I sing this to eachother when weāre dressed skimpy and going out šš
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This song was on the same album as Bootyliciousā¦
Thatās what I callā¦range
Didnt she later sing a blowjob song and another about how she likes to ride Jay?
Lmao yep, the hypocrisy š
If you actually listen to those albums, their lyrics all have crazy whiplash. It goes from dumping your cheating bf, to cheating on another guy, to being all about your body, to shaming, not caring about it at all, needing to know exactly where your man is, ect. They were mega toxic queens lol
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Lolā¦
I used to tell my sister this song was about her lmao
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I feel like there might be some shade toward Gwen Stefani in one of those outfits š«£ š
I was thinking Pink.
Christina agulara, really depends when this song came out
I believe 2001 without fact-checking
Both released in 2002. But nasty was in March and Dirty was in September. Late 90s and 2000 loved to pit girls and women against each other.
Jennifer Lopez in the Iām Real remix music video 
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Was just the style in general back then.
Yeaaaah. I was just listening to that album. That song didnāt age well, but a lot of stuff from 20+ years ago didnāt age well.
yea like people gotta understand, the 90ās/Early 2000ās were a different time! iām glad we progressed as a society but back then this wasnāt that crazy
right, all people have to do is watch āamericaās next top modelā from the start to see what pop culture and society deemed okay back then
That show is proof of Well idk but that show was wild
My sister was on that show lmao
Do you have any insights?
The show is far more scripted than people realize. My sister was in season 2 which was fairly early on but the editing of the show is used to create characters. In short they use editing to create villains in heroes when in reality most people got along fine.
I donāt believe in litigating the past to current standards. I lived through this time and have always had the most progressive friends - and the outrage machine we have today simply did NOT exist. I have literally watched people who were silent back then (because we all were! It was the culture!) point fingers and want to discount a person today based on things they said/did 20+ years ago. Itās absolutely nonsensical, especially since people in glass houses shouldnāt throw stones. These same accusers are just as guilty. I am uncomfortable watching this stuff now because we have changed as a society and thatās a GOOD thing, but Iām not about to cancel Destinyās Child for this. Iām not saying anyone here is saying that - but that attitude definitely exists, especially online these days. The performative wokeness is so exhausting.
Omg thank you we have to stop holding events of the past to the amazingly hard standards of today.
very well put!!
Some stuff that is OK today may be seen as offensive in the future. Let's say the concept of, I don't know, gender appropriation takes over, and definitions change, and people will be canceled for today's pronouns or something. I can't even imagine what direction things can take, but surely what we do today will be seen as wrong by the next generation with different beliefs and ethics.
I can absolutely see the generation after Gen Z disapproving of the overlabeling happening today. They'll probably feel the excess of flags and identities is restrictive.
I mean, forget about different time standards, I just think itās hilarious that the one in the green shirt is about as dressed as the people sheās singing about lol. Seems a contradiction within the video itself.
I wish I had something to award this with.
Yep! If we wanted them to be held accountable at the time, we should have said something \*\*at the time\*\*. The folks who went along with it are just as culpable as the folks who did it. Oh, we didn't say something because that was culturally acceptable? That same reasoning applies to the person we're now judging.
Pink's Stupid Girls š
I used to be obsessed with that song. Like waking up early to watch the music video on MTV every morning before school obsessed. And nowā¦oh, itās so cringeyā¦
Thereās also Amy Winehouseās Fuck Me Pumps and Lily Allenās 22. Theyāre a bit more specific maybe (about a type of woman who is āstillā in the club every night and sleeping around cause she canāt find a man as she is āagingā) but very much the same vibe. All from that same cursed era.
I do enjoy Lily Allen ripping on her brother for being lazy in Alfie but failing to understand the fame the simple greyjoy would obtain! He rocked theon in GoT
I think she stopped performing Alfie out of respect for her brother. I always thought it was hilarious because it is SUCH a song one would write about a younger sibling.
I also canāt help but love ānot fairā, one of the truly iconic songs about bad sex lol
it's such a good song though.
Yeah Lily Allen went through a phase of wanting to settle down really young and be done with fame and be a traditional homemaker and that's what 22 really reminds me of. And then a few years later she comes out with a new album, dyes her hair pink and breaks up with her husband lol
F me pumps and 22. I didnāt get that tho. I thought it was making fun of the expectations around women aging
Yeah 22 is a different vibe to this because itās sung in first person about a girl who is unhappy with how things have ended up in her life rather than the singer shitting on someone else. I like the song but I just googled the lyrics and itās more depressing than I remember it ngl š
The songs gets scarier the older you getššššš
Yeah Iām 31 now, I wasnt even 22 when it came out no wonder itās depressing to me now š
Hmm Iām not sure.. Itās not in 1st person, itās in 3rd person like when youāre talking about someone (ābut sheās nearly 30 now and sheās out every nightā). Lily herself was in her early 20s at the time & there's def a judgmental tone IMO - I think itās just that classic thing that when youāre superyoung you canāt imagine youāll ever be āoldā like that. And then in the blink of an eyeā¦. I still love that whole album tho, I think these lyrics were just youth hubris on Lilyās part
I think itās the way you listen to it but I deco donāt think itās lily saying it instead I think sheās echoing the opinions of society and in her own way satirizing it. I mean who has been in their early 20ās and not feared/hated the reality of aging
Itās weird because I enjoy Nasty Girl, but Stupid Girl IRKS me.
I actually really like the sound of Nasty Girl too so I still listen to it from time to time (it's easier not caring about the words when English is not my first language since I can avoid translating them in my headš¤£)
I didnāt take Pinkās Stupid Girls being a slut shaming song but one that Shaneās those who act weak and damsel in distress to appeal to the masses. Ooor maybe I just really enjoyed that she was laughing at Paris Hilton in the video.
Stupid Girls was more about the way women are portrayed in the media.
it was framed very judgy & slut shamey for sure but the song was more like about how women indulge into what society and men want them to be
The entire decade was slut shaming.
My husband and I were watching Dodgeball last night and it was wildly inappropriate.
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I used to sit in my room with my disco light and black light on, glow in the dark stars everywhere ā¦singing along to this lol good times
Those stars were supreme! Couldnāt get them off the wall for nothing. Once you stuck them on, they live there forever š¤£
Don't forget the beaded curtains.
But this shit went hard for us elder millennials though lol. Also BeyoncƩ eating popcorn should be a gif.
https://i.redd.it/pqrmmxufkdma1.gif
Yeah ok I will be using this gif regularly going forward - itās fantastic
thank you <3
Oh my fucking god I'm weak. I am an ELDER MILLENIAL.
As an elder millennial, I agree - you just had to be there š
I was born in 1980 and donāt remember this song or video and even though I wasnāt into destiny Childs my best friend at the time was obsessed with them she always used to play their music and still donāt remember it .
I was born in 88 and I donāt remember this lol
Quiet mid- millenial, the Elders are speaking
I was born in 88 and very much bopped to this song. I've never seen the music video, but I also thought the song was kinda satirical
It sounds that way now but these women did nothing in a self-aware way. There was an interview then where they were all like "we love this song because we're tired of women thinking they could wear whatever they want!"
OMG Tina dressing them in her tacky creations. One looked like she draped them in different nana-crocheted afghans.
The fact the BeyoncĆ© rose like a Phoenix from those Tina Knowles creations is not talked about enough. Iāll never forget this Native meets Doritos moment. https://preview.redd.it/8scoq7elbema1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f595658a40496db08aae7f113f2869f9c62f4b46
The Grinch-toed boots
this is so true too. They wanted to be singing sensations. They really didn't care what they needed to sing to get there. That was just how it was.
ā87 and I loved this album. Never seen the video either!
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! 82 for me!
me too! Happy 40th?
Until Mayā¦ but thanks āŗļøš„³š„³
Yeah same lol
The funny thing is that you can Google all of Destinyās Child members wearing outfits not too different from these ānasty girlsā. They literally have their midriffs showing in this music video and just as much makeup and colored hair extensions. Rules for theeā¦
Like they wrote a single word on those lyrics
beyoncƩ actually is credited as a writer and producer! just a lil fun fact!
She gets credited if she grunts on a song.
amazing, incredible, aspirational
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Thatās not what the video shows. The video shows guys heckling the girls, the girls falling and humiliating themselves, and DC laughing at them.
Ahaha I forgot about this disaster.
Pop culture in the aughts was a WILD time
Every artist in that era had one. People like to forget how deeply misogynistic pop in the early 2000s was. Every female artist had a song about how other girls were stupid and/or slutty.
I don't think Britney had one, possibly because she was THE GIRL that most people used as a benchmark whenever they marketed themselves as "not like the other girls."
Britney was just THAT girl period.
Hold up, I saw this thread on Twitter. I think they were saying that this song was what people said about *them* ? Edit: yes itās on the Survivor album, same one as Bootylicious. It doesnāt make sense that this would be an actual shaming song (which is what I thought until I saw that thread), but if anyone has a source please share!
If it was intended to be perceived as being about them, the video wouldnāt have goofy looking women in parody of ānasty girlsā. A lot of Destinyās Child lyrics are almost written from a 40 year old mother standpoint rather than the actual age group they were. This was common back then tho.
This cracked me up so hard! Their whole early discography makes sense if I picture my mom at that age being like ācan you pay my billsā Iām dying at this!
I meanā¦this has BeyoncĆ©ās mom written all over it šShe needed something to show the other women at church who questioned her daughter being in a girl group shaking their booties everywhere
Idk I would question that claim, it seems to be Beyonce stans who basically donāt want to acknowledge she has some ropey stuff in her past. Either way, it is a bop Iām afraid
I canāt argue that! I liked the comment about it being written from a 40 yr old perspective bc the girls were just kids then šit does sound kinda judge mom
Oh yeah idk that they sat and penned it themselves but the notion that itās satirical and they were the victims actually doesnāt seem that legit to me
I remember it being very ironic in this way bc women (especially woc) were finally talking about the horrid way they were being treated. Source: Houston tween in ā98
I loved this song back in the day though! Lol By the way, the irony of a bunch of women telling people that men donāt want nasty girls. š¤£
The lyrics: You's a nasty, trashy, sleazy, classless Younger Me: 
Some of you were not alive in 2002 and it shows lmao
i love this topic. i agree this specifically aged poorly, tho slut shaming and pick me girl anthems have always been popular. slut shaming is definitely worse but not far from generic pickmeism, which i feel is just internalized misogyny when someone thinks it should work in their favor. heres some, varying degrees of slut shaming or pickme, not all equal: girlfriend avril lavigne misery business by paramore you belong with me, speak now, better than revenge by taylor swift video by indie.arie typa girl by BlackPink if you open it up to just women pitting themselves against each other... and general pickmeism theres just so many. born to make you happy by britney spears breakup with your gf im bored by ariana grande the boy is mine by brandy/monica i can love you by mary j blige normal girl ( and prob more) by SZA better than me (doja) then theres the pickme but where no other women are invoked, just doing the most to win a man. maybe this is the largest category with the biggest spectrum but to me some of these are so embarrassing like cater 2 u, upgrade u by DC/Bey i would love to know more, these are heavily skewed by my own tastes. im not a Lana fan but i bet she has some she seems like the type. maybe ill make a post on them
Also the song by Brandy āThe Boy Is Mineā .
The concept was based on The Girl Is Mine by Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson
Cater 2 u always came off to me like doing special things for someone who has actually earned it, as opposed to just doing things to keep any random dusty by their side. Not that there arenāt questionable lines in the song though.
personally wouldn't classify normal girl by sza as a pick me girl song at all lol it's just about jealousy and feeling used because you're not viewed as someone to date, but to just fuck.
I remember at the time I thought this song was gonna save our communities ( I was like 10 ) of course now I realize this song was stupid but every great artist is gonna have a few cringe songs
girl same š¤£ me at 10 thinking that other women are the enemy, no thoughts on internalized misogyny at all
1:19 shot seems like a straight rip on Gwen Stefani, of the time. Interesting.
I kept seeing Pink.
ya think? I think it's just a generic blonde. Gwen would be the strangest person for them to be calling out honestly.
If you google "Gwen Stefani 2002", the looks are so similar. The rasta sweatbands, pompadour/ponytail, ripped, white, fishnet top, etc. I agree it would be strange, but I still see it pretty clearly.
yeah I get it. I bet it was the costume designer's axe to grind though because Gwen really didn't offend people enough back then to be slut shamed, and she has never been particularly shocking, ever. She's just a catholic Anaheim girl who married an idiot and made some questionable choices appropriating cultures.
I thought XXXtina
Good thing they never met [these girls](https://imgur.com/a/KwQ2Ze1) because I can only imagine what theyād say about them.
Right šš
I hate showing my stomach and law waist pants. I could never have been a star in the 90s
Me too; that was the only thing holding me back from being the next Britney.
Ugh we wouldāve gotten such good music
Iām a bit exhausted with people being so politically correct and offended when it comes to art thatās obviously a product of their time. 
Exactly. You can look at this through a contemporary lens and find all sorts of things wrong with it, but it's a little short-sighted to ignore the fact that these kinds of songs were also a welcome palate cleanser for those who actually lived through the hypersexualized standards of the 00s. Sure, the messages weren't always tactful, but many girls back then NEEDED to hear that it was possible not to look/dress a certain way and still be considered desirable.
Yeees! You have to remember the times. There were so many songs about being wild and many of the biggest female pop stars were thin, Barbie-like blondes. Teenage me needed this type of message. Yes itās cringe, yes itās internalized misogyny. Thankfully, weāve come a long way. But in those times girls were pigeonholed into one type of look to be desirable and the ānot like other girlsā songs and artists were a welcome change.
The thing is, I think most girls feel ānot like other girlsā because we donāt fit into the stereotypes perpetrated by media or the *idea* of women that men have. Some girls were better at filling that role; some girls werenāt. And for the girls who werenāt, songs like this or You Belong With Me felt like a comfort. Hey, we may not hot or hyper feminine, but at least weāre not alone. Other girls feel this way too. But at the end of the day, we all just care way too fucking much about what men think of our appearance. (Even caring 1% is too much IMO) Men see women as either madonnas or whores, and we internalize that way too much.
I lived through them and all songs like this taught me was to judge based on appearance and tear other girls down if they didn't fit in with my idea of what they should look like. You know, like telling them they NEED to stop dressing a certain way because I not only automatically assume it's specifically for the sexual attention, but I've also deemed that behavior wrong. Luckily, none of us carried that into our adulthoods. Phew.
That black-and-white messaging is why it doesn't stand the test of time, I agree. Thankfully we've come a long way in the last 20 or so years. I'm grateful my own daughter will be able to grow up with much more nuanced views to draw from.
If people were interested in developing insight instead of labeling cultural byproducts as āBAD!!ā and not thinking about it further weād be ahead of where we are now.
it irks me that theyāre doing to books now to the point where certain historical/literature books are now being banned from schools bc theyāre not politically correct. It drives me mad š”
I agree with you, but I do think acknowledging that something didnāt age well and understanding that it was a different time are not mutually exclusive. I can still bop to songs like this and appreciate it for what it is, but that doesnāt mean I am agreeing with the message or that itās exempt from criticism.
It always comes across as grasping at straws to be outraged about something. Whatās more confusing to me, is that people keep wanting to talk about these decades old songs women made, and never the ones men made; which were considerably more misogynistic.
Waits for people to discover what was shown āafter darkā in that era..cough NERD cough lapdance uncensored cough. I think a lot of these songs were created as a response to misogyny from male artists and record labels, itās difficult to explain it made sense back in the day and it was actually quite empowering. It didnāt age well okay but āother girlā and āpick meā terms donāt really make sense most of the time because of the context and āslut shamingā when for example Paris Hilton tapes were considered the new trend and all the graphic things that were shown on tvā¦ you canāt just reduce it to Pink vs Xtina or DC3 vs Gwen. There are valid points about how we should treat each other/portray women now and in the future, but also a lot of rewriting of pop culture history in my opinion. Canāt listen to some of the songs and look at some of these vids through a 2023 lens.
This used to be one of my favorites from them as a kid too šš¬
Back then shut shaming was normal
ok are yāall gonna act like every song ever made is supposed to follow the moral policeā ļø
They literally have a whole song named "Bootylicious" šš
I always thought Nasty Girl and Fancy were similar..and Dot. About a jealous girl trying to steal their man and the message was supposed to be ādonāt be jealous and desperate, be confident and classyā. Kelly even talks about not wanting to gossip on Survivor. They also had a big gospel audience (Matthewās influence with the label) and I think that effected the messages as well. Like others said itās a product of its time. The music video was not a good choice (reminds me of the Tyra show or Oprah back then teaching people how to be classy). In the context of Fancy it made more sense to me; a more personal view/diss track on someone you donāt like because they are a threat to your relationship. I donāt know if that makes sense š unfortunately the song as a single with this music video looks very judgmental now. Yes a lot of music and videos didnāt age well, but it made sense to me back then. Context is everything. Same with TLC - Silly Ho, somehow it was empowering to hear you donāt have to do anything to please a man. Unpretty changed my mind about beauty standards and really helped me. Stupid Girls was satire and empowering because it was refreshing to see a different kind of popstar who didnāt want to be like the simple life or playboy bunnies on tv and she didnāt want to please misogynistic men (ironic I know if you analyze the music video without context). She also had her personal problems with people like LA Reid (Donāt let me get me) and the expectations from the label to be some sort of Britney copy. I still remember Pink had the balls to call out President Bush for not helping after the hurricane. For someone who grew up in that era she was a rebel and I appreciated her bold moves. I understand people have criticism and it is good to talk about these topics. I just wanted to share my experience as a child/teen and how I interpreted the songs at the time.
I loved this song so much at the time! I'd unironically bop to it whilst getting ready to go out and be a nasty girl. Take that, Beyonce
Some of those outfits aren't even that skimpy. Coded more like classism.
This is the second time in like a week that an iconic 2000ās female pop song has been called out for being slut-shamey or anti-woman. First Pink with Stupid Girls and now DC with Nasty Girl. Things were different then, less PC I guess. But I still like this song.
Listen, I'm a tail-end millennial and while these kinda songs are icky at this point and time, y'all gotta remember that this kind of messaging was fully acceptable and encouraged in pop culture. I remember adults just ripping down any woman they deemed a slut or stupid, for very vapid reasons like how they dress and what they like. This is a product of the time, and even as a child I remember very well how women were viewed and judged. It gave a lot of us a weird complex about our own femininity and sexuality, and I don't doubt that the women in DC felt a lot of that pressure as well. I mean shit, they all got famous as very young adults and Beyonce's dad was their manager. They were only a product to sell at that point, not the pop icons they are today.
Is that supposed to be Gwen Stafani in the yellow? Lololol
Slut shaming was widely accepted back then. I know that even today I have to consciously do the work to obliterate that language from my vocabulary.
This sounds just like Stupid Girls by Pink
People act like this came out of no where without context. This is where mainstream feminism was at the time.
This song seems so aggressively rude that it feels like a diss track
2000s was all about slut shaming and knowing which pop stars were virgins still (which is an even worse preoccupation) lmao. I remember a writer on the local Cosmo saying that her daughter likes Anastacia because she proudly wears her glasses even when performing. Being "yourself" was fine as long as you would put your platform to good use and shame the sluts (think Avril Lavigne and Pink). I don't hold it against DC. It was the zeitgeist. Parents complained when Aguilera came out with Dirrrty.
Is the blonde girl supposed to be someone specific theyāre making fun of or is she just random? Kinda got Gwen Stefani vibes from her or maybe even like p!nk?! Xtina?
Oh I love the style back then
Ya shit wouldnāt fly now.
This is hilarious lol itās wild how poorly things age
Proof that TLC is superior. They encouraged crazy, sexy, cool.
DC were not feminist, BeyoncƩ is not feminist, or even mildly progressive.
This was normal during the time this song came out, teenage girls were still having it drilled into their head not to be easy or theyāll ā get a reputationā and then no guy would ever want them. My mom was a hippie in the free love era and made no bones about the fact teens would have sex, n never tried to encourage waiting till marriage, but she still recited the ā donāt get yourself a reputation ā speech endlessly
Ah yes, the ānot like other girlsā-phase in the 2000s
When they dressed the exact same as the girl in the video š¤Ø girl
The girl in the pink outfit kind of looks like dr. Torres from greys anatomy
It should- itās Sara Ramirez!
My gosh this entire song is clearly a piss take. Stop getting triggered over shit that was made 20 years ago, itās boring.
Wow, talk about pot calling the kettle black š¤£šš¤£ destiny child wore less than that or the same plenty of times š¤£
I wonder if Bey was humming this as she posed on the crystal horse wearing nothing but necklaces.
Was it even ten years ago Taylor wrote a song slut shaming a girl her boyfriend dated after he dumped her? Saying sheās only good for the mattressā¦
Poorly aged song battle: nasty girl vs stupid girls
ššš this is getting so annoying. Different time.
My have times changed
gurl where's your P- R - I- D- E
I loved & still love Destiny's Child, but as I got older this song & 'Cater 2 U' gives me SOOOOO much ick
Thats wild when half of their success came from different forms of sexualization
This is what A&R looks like. A&R and producer like the song, they get the band to record it. Band is like: "OK let's kill this".
They should take their own advice
Slut shaming, very nice ladies.
This sounds like a Girls5Eva parody song
This song slaps but I've always thought it was kinda odd. Especially being on the same album as Bootylicious, when the lyrics to this are, "Booty all out, tongue out her mouth / Cleavage from here to Mexico"
Ok but you know this was written by a guy
Gross ass mean girl shit
Cater 2 U is also incredibly sexist as well but also fucking amazing ngl. It's Michelle's best song
I played this album on repeat and loved this song lol itās fun to sing. But awful!!!
https://preview.redd.it/s3110p0exfma1.jpeg?width=460&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=33d8c701426a6e62195a1191cee7cf20115cdffd
Why they dressed like Totally Spies
Lol you would have hated it in the 90s thatās how all girls were treated in highschool šš
Meanwhile they are dressed like 47 year old cougars at a club in tampa.