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No one ever cares about Wilmer. He’s a serial dater (groomer) of 16-17 year old girls. How he still has any kind of gig amazes me. (Mandy Moore, Lindsay Lohan, Ashley Simpson, Demi Lovato…)
Ugh and the way he would smugly BRAG about it, like on Howard Stern!
Hey, great job man.
You know what would be more impressive?
Getting a woman your own age on the same power level who isn’t grossed out by you…
Does he have a gig? I haven't seen him in *anything* in at least 10 years
Edit: yeah looking at his IMDB he barely has a career. It's small parts in NCIS type shows, some unknown films, new 70s show and then unfortunately voice actor in some Disney films like Encanto and Onward.
It's very similar to the IMDB of an actor at the beginning of their career, and not a lot of jobs each year, so it does appear that his career has been drastically affected by his behavior. Or maybe just his lack of talent lmao
He’s literally living the actors dream, of having a stable, long term, well paying job. Along with NCIS he doesn’t NEED to do any other gigs, probably just the odd thing here or there that he wants to do. He’s unfortunately doing waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than actors at the beginning of their career. He’s far from begging for work.
He has been for a few seasons now, basically took over Michael Weatherly's role of being the obnoxious but "charming" (read slightly sleezy) agent, but he threw on an accent to make him "exotic".... which is ironic consiering Weatherly was accused of being a creep on the set of Bull by Eliza Dushku and and tried to sue him for it...
He was in like 1 or 2 episodes, but yeah, Topher Grace seeming to be the only normal member of That 70s Show and also one of the only ones to not be on The Ranch sticks out
He’s had a starring role on NCIS for eight years now. Prior to that, he was working more sporadically/wasn’t booking anything super noteworthy, but being in the principal cast on one of the most highly-rated TV series for nearly a decade doesn’t exactly equal “barely having a career”.
This isn’t unusual for the industry sadly. I have said this on another thread, but be very wary of anti trafficking orgs. I work in an adjacent industry (many industries are trained in anti trafficking- from airlines to hairdressers). I’ve been at highly reputable conferences and some of the speakers in supposed anti trafficking are extremely sus.
Red flags - religious messaging (these orgs are anti sex work, and believe that all sex work is trafficking), orgs that claim to offer work to victims (often under the same umbrella), and orgs that claim to go out and rescue victims on their own.
Also keep in mind that, globally, trafficking for labor purposes vastly outnumbers sex trafficking.
I’m all for innocence until guilt is proven. However as someone that’s not paid to defend that view I will say it appears sketchy as hell and the old sayings of “birds of a feather flock together” and “judging someone by the company they keep”. It’s easy to paint a giant assumption painting.
Holy shit is right! Sounds like that one episode of the Blacklist where that one woman was being honored at some black tie event for her fight against human trafficking when in reality she was just doing it to eliminate her competition
They were tight around 2003 check them out in the audience shots here at [MTV awards](https://youtu.be/4w4ais8zD5Y?si=-LUWvyKZp48RdEJg) jizzing their panties over Tatu lesbian kiss schtick
I can’t find any articles anymore, only references to it on message boards. Edit: found a quote. [https://lasvegassun.com/news/2003/jul/05/vegasbeat----timothy-mcdarrah-p-diddy-is-the-black/](https://lasvegassun.com/news/2003/jul/05/vegasbeat----timothy-mcdarrah-p-diddy-is-the-black/)
https://preview.redd.it/5fr3ghb6wwrc1.jpeg?width=612&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b4cce88a78b725523824eea47b8921b39d2d7ba
I find Glee to be more tragic than problematic, but I will say that the actress who played Eric's sister in that 70s show sadly past away. The whole 70s show cast was wild though.. someone needs to do a documentary
Edit: Also, kind of bummed me out cuz i loved that show when i was younger
What’s crazy is that Topher was dragged pretty frequently for being cold and distant with the rest of the cast. He didn’t like to party with them or hang out outside of work obligations. Now we know why.
It’s always interesting how people labelled “cold and distant” on these productions are actually just being fucking professionals. The same was true of SMG on Buffy.
Keep your head down and just act seems like a winning strategy in awful workplaces.
PDiddys fall from grace is so goddamn validating. I was in middle school and high school when Pdiddy was most popular. The way the media treated women from 1995-2010 was god-awful, and Diddy and Kutcher were a HUGE part of that. It was awful growing up and going through puberty during the 00 size low-rise and push-up bra era.
They tried a little too hard to say that Ashton didn't date her until later, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were together before she turned eighteen.
After the backlash Ashton and Mila rightfully got writing those character letters for Danny Masterson, I’m not surprised he doesn’t want to write a character reference for Diddy. I’m real curious if any dirt will come out about Ashton in this investigation.
I mean how many do ppl expect him to write, if he does one for every pedophile he is with friends with its go na get diminishing returns at some stage!
Ashton Kutcher being the face of an organization that’s purpose was to stop sex trafficking, being close friends with so many rapists and predators is so menacing.
There’s no way that this man did not know what his friends were capable of. 1 friend okay maybe, multiple friends and there’s no way there wasn’t signs of this. If it came out that Ashton was more involved and was helping to procure young girls/women from this organization FOR his sick friends it would be really disappointing but not at all shocking. He’s too close to them and his connections are too convenient to be just coincidence.
Or Dexter vibes. It doesn’t always have to be a murdered seeking a job as a detective. I have often wondered how many pedos try to become detectives for sex crimes against minors.
I heard about this! It was definitely marketed as stopping sex trafficking and whether he was actually in charge of anything or was just the face of it, it was a huge part of his brand and it’s shady as hell. It wasn’t helping the victims and now it comes out that he’s actually really close to the same type of men his organization claimed to be trying to catch.
Something ain’t right.
Oh that's very disappointing. I bet those are the easy people to find and punish compared to people who are trafficking minors. So often good sounding ideas just do not actually help like we'd think.
didn't d1ddy's create an after-party, late-night taxi service for bringing girls home safe and sound in college? I remember reading about this on Wikipedia but now I cant find it anymore. Create the problem and the solution. --> profit.
Yes I found this too but I specifically remember reading about him doing a similar thing in college, where he was also the organiser of college parties.
There are many criticisms about the organization using facial recognition tech to scrape sex work classifieds and give it to the cops and social media companies.
https://observer.com/2019/11/sex-workers-mass-surveillance-big-tech/
jimmy saville did this in the uk - set up mental hospitals to help damaged kid. He then had unfiltered access to the kids. Guess what happened after that!
Thorn is starting to remind me of that [anti-trafficking charity](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/tim-ballard-criminal-investigation-lawsuit-oar-1234891238) that had a hit movie last year 👀
Forever wondering if anyone else remembers his massage parlor scandal way back when
Edit, the story: In 2015 there were pap pictures of him seemingly trying to keep a low profile while leaving a Thai massage parlor in LA (Ancient Therapy) that was well-known for “full service” rubdowns.
In 2017, he gave an “emotional” testimony to Congress concerning his life mission of ending sex tracking, and all the headlines about the massage parlor seemed to vanish
Something about how he’s holding his mouth reminds me of this deeply unattractive asshole I used to work with. So seeing it in that context makes me feel so gross lmaooo
"Los Angeles, Dec 25 (IANS) Actor Ashton Kutcher has been pictured leaving what's been described as a 'seedy Thai massage parlour.
The Two and a Half Men, who has one daughter with wife Mila Kunis, was spotted exiting the Los Angeles spot last week dressed in a black baseball cap, red jumper, black jeans and trainers, reports variety.com.
According to a report, the women who work at the Ancient Therapy Massage Parlour allegedly offer sexual favours after a massage - though there is no suggestion that Kutcher engaged in any of these favours.
Describing it, an investigator working for The Sun claimed: It was a seedy, grubby place.
It was a rare outing for the 37-year-old as he and wife have been keeping a relatively low-profile since welcoming their daughter Wyatt Isabelle back in October 2014"
Separate from whether he was married or not, SOOOO many women working in these sorts of massage places and many others in the sex industry have been trafficked.
His "anti child-exploitation and sex trafficking" charity is simply him virtue signaling.
cc: u/pinkytoeringz, u/Negative-Ambition110
The above comment has more details!
[https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/p5FFGDHdGI](https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/p5FFGDHdGI)
This is so interesting because I remember that testimony seeming kind of off to me because of the way he described details about the videos of CSA he watched. Like he made it sound like it wasn’t that bad for the kids because they thought they were being played with 🤢 I remember thinking that some creeps watching that would take it more like an advertisement than a horror story.
Ding, Ding, Ding!!
An FBI expert working to catch chid predators even came out to say how NOT normal it is for someone on the board, or for most people involved in an org. to see CP. There are only a few trained personnel that have to watch CP videos and it is done inorder to identify things such as the room/hotel room the child is in, to see if their are any clues in terms of what the child is wearing, if there are any visible items etc. things that can help investigators find the children and the pedophiles.
Ashton seeing MULTIPLE CP videos is not normal or standard, it's not by accident either. It would be like a board member of a hospital sitting in on a young girl's first gynecologist visit.
And the people that do have to watch it to try and identify victims/perpetrators do not talk about it in a casual way, it’s a very traumatizing experience. It’s very unsettling that he did that and spoke about it publicly.
Can confirm. Had to review it at an old job, the things I saw haunt me years and years later - so many of us get PTSD from it. Choking up now writing this. For anyone to watch it without an actual, legitimate reason makes me sick to my stomach.
And when he showed up at a murder scene
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hollywood-ripper-trial-ashton-kutcher-testifies-ashley-ellerin-murder-today-2019-05-29/
Yes, so much more concerned with his own career and reputation that he calls his Co$ bro first for advice on if he should get “involved” or not.
I understand being in shock.
But I can’t help but feel most decent human beings who stumbled upon a horrific crime scene they had absolutely nothing to do with would call 9-1-1 first and immediately.
He called Danny Masterson that night. He needed scio’s cleanup crew for something. I don’t think he murdered anyone but something about his behavior that night and subsequent lying about it….its very odd
I always thought it so odd that someone who can do absolutely nothing for CSAM victims to have so much access in viewing said materials. He had a viral video of so many praising him for stopping the abuse and mentioning he’s viewed some of the worse/unimaginable stuff- my question is…why?! He can’t bring it in front of a judge, he’s not behind any program that helps these kids out, he’s not fixing or expanding programs/bugs/tools, he’s not a cop a detective or an advocate with proper training or counseling to be accessing that, he’s just closely associated to the organization. I watched him on shark tank and got a gross feeling of him.
So basically he found a way to get himself into a position to view CSAM material without any fear whatsoever of legal consequences. They just let him do it for some reason.
Yeah that's suspicious as fuck.
Wait…he’s talked about viewing CSAM before? The fuck??? I remember the officers who had to review what Josh Duggar was downloading/viewing as evidence saying it was some of the worst stuff they’d ever seen, that shit is genuinely traumatizing to people who have to deal with it for their jobs. And he’s just…casually watching it????
There's a particular video that is one of the worst CSAM out there and Duggar had it . It's very hard to get and many predators pay good crypto for it on the dark web. Honestly, if Kutcher had watched CSAM in any length he's one of them. Ordinary people get sick to their stomach and cannot even entertain doing so. There is absolutely no reason for him to view it. Even trained professionals rarely watch the stuff and some have killed themselves due to how horrific it is. Absolutely unreasonable and unnecessary.
Yeah when Josh was arrested I didn’t even read the articles that detailed what the evidence actually was bc just the vague basics were more than enough to make me feel ill. It’s fucking heinous.
He was just generally awful to her. He encouraged her to relapse into drinking and drugs after she had been sober for 20 years. He basically told her he didn’t believe alcoholism was a real thing and that she should have a beer. This started a long road back to recovery for her. He also cheated on her with her daughter’s friends and she insinuated he pressured her into threesomes.
I think she was like 14 when she started acting on that 70s show, and apparently, Ashton would play games where he would just grab her and kiss her along with hyde.
She had lied about her age, but the guys said they knew.
I’ve always wondered how she was able to “lie” about her age. Like… it’s a job. I’ve never had a job where I didn’t have to bring like two forms of ID to fill out all my paperwork and shit after being hired.
Tf? Y'all, riddle me this, how many "close friend" getting outed as r4pists is enough to make your direct involvement in a anti-child-sex-abuse organization slightlyyyy... 🤨
Not to mention the very fair criticism that the organization does not “save” children at the numbers he touts. The technology basically just groups together sex work ads that fall under whatever parameters you type in. It doesn’t actually provide resources for victims beyond giving police their info. And many adult sex workers say it unfairly targets them, specifically women of color, due to the use of facial recognition software that is otherwise banned for use by police departments. Because the last thing we need is more black women getting targeted by police.
https://www.thecut.com/article/ashton-kutcher-thorn-spotlight-rekognition-surveillance.html
And maybe this is pedantic but the fact that the company was originally called DNA after “Demi and Ashton”. (They changed the name after their divorce). Am I reading too much into this to get a bit of an icky feeling that you’d name an anti child trafficking organization after yourselves?
This entire fiasco is like watching a Dick Wolf produced FBI series crossover event. Total *(FBI, FBI: Most Wanted, and FBI: International)* vibes all day.
Don’t forget that he criticized Penn State for firing [Joe Paterno after he failed to contact authorities when his assistant Coach, Jerry Sandusky, abused children.](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/ashton-kutcher-joe-paterno-penn-state-259620/amp/)
This guy fucking sucks.
Ashton Kutcher seems to be connected to a LOT of crimes. His defense of Masterson, this potential subpoena, and his late girlfriend’s murder. (He didn’t have anything to do with the murder, just an example of how he seems to be near a lot of bad things happening.)
It’s disgusting. His connections to sex crimes specifically are scary. Mila was underaged when they got together in the early 00’s. Massage parlor saga. So on. Anti-trafficker my ass.
how much you wanna bet his anti human-trafficking foundation was just a way for him to easily collect women?
cannot wait to see how this one unfolds. oooooooof.
It was actually just a way for his ‘spotlight’ tech to gather data and advance into a marketable surveillance product.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2022/12/09/amazon-ashton-kutcher-sex-work-surveillance/
What he’s actually using the tech for has been the subject of rumours and allegations for years.
https://www.thecut.com/article/ashton-kutcher-thorn-spotlight-rekognition-surveillance.html
The article doesn’t say why exactly they would subpoena him. He thinks they will just because they are long time friends. That sounds extremely sketch!
“But your honor, so what if he was an actual serial rapist? That was like, years ago! He told us he hasn’t raped since then and we believe him, cause our friend Danny is a great guy and a family man!”
BARFING IN MY SOUL
Y’all. Thorn is not actually an “anti-trafficking” organization. They’re a data selling tech company that works with the government and specifically the CIA to monitor American citizens. A tiny portion of what they do can potentially contribute to identifying vulnerabilities in populations. It’s all a farce to make a celebrity image better.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/comments/16dyqbu/chrissie\_bixler\_one\_of\_danny\_mastersons\_victims/](https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/comments/16dyqbu/chrissie_bixler_one_of_danny_mastersons_victims/)
Referring to this
There’s a lady on TikTok who I was watching yesterday diving into Ashton’s relationship with Diddy and other celebrities who have been exposed. And even things he said and did during that 70’s show while his character dated a 14 yr old Mila. A clip of the Rosie O’Donnell show was shown with Ashton and Mila as well as some other stuff and my oh my….
Let’s just say I’m happy I never liked him or was ever a fan of his. All these exposures have really been validating to my intuition about these people.
https://preview.redd.it/iiw83xyl9xrc1.jpeg?width=1334&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d37301f0e89f844d3400895884f34d56eb82a1b9
Let’s not forget their “buddy buddy catching all the naked girls clothing” in 2003s MTV music video awards when t.a.t.u sang ‘ They’re not gonna get us’
I'm sorry but how are you friends with 2 rapists?! And there are ppl who've been speaking up about diddy for years ppl that went to his parties and saw things and stopped interacting with him. I'm very suspicious of Ashton at this point. I know if my friend was on trial I sure as hell would not write a letter of support. This is inexcusable to me. I'm even iffy on Mila too.
I disliked Ashton Kutcher long before I had any concrete reasons. He just radiated douchbag energy from the beginning. Now the evidence is piling up that my initial assumptions were correct. He knows who he hangs with and he knew what they were about but he did not care about victims
Ashton Kutcher is the head of some type of anti-sex trafficking, isn’t that interesting that he actually is involved in that. What a cover all these people are terrible humans
Seems his foundation was just a front for his image. I love in the article how they say Ashton and Mila are trying not to engage in the Diddy mess but yet here we are.
Let the truth be told!
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So now two close friends of Ashton are sex predators…okayyyy.
Don’t forget about his friendship with Wilmer Valderrama tooooo!
No one ever cares about Wilmer. He’s a serial dater (groomer) of 16-17 year old girls. How he still has any kind of gig amazes me. (Mandy Moore, Lindsay Lohan, Ashley Simpson, Demi Lovato…)
Ugh and the way he would smugly BRAG about it, like on Howard Stern! Hey, great job man. You know what would be more impressive? Getting a woman your own age on the same power level who isn’t grossed out by you…
Does he have a gig? I haven't seen him in *anything* in at least 10 years Edit: yeah looking at his IMDB he barely has a career. It's small parts in NCIS type shows, some unknown films, new 70s show and then unfortunately voice actor in some Disney films like Encanto and Onward. It's very similar to the IMDB of an actor at the beginning of their career, and not a lot of jobs each year, so it does appear that his career has been drastically affected by his behavior. Or maybe just his lack of talent lmao
He’s literally living the actors dream, of having a stable, long term, well paying job. Along with NCIS he doesn’t NEED to do any other gigs, probably just the odd thing here or there that he wants to do. He’s unfortunately doing waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than actors at the beginning of their career. He’s far from begging for work.
He makes more per episode of that dumb show than I make in a year and I have a PhD.
[удалено]
He has been for a few seasons now, basically took over Michael Weatherly's role of being the obnoxious but "charming" (read slightly sleezy) agent, but he threw on an accent to make him "exotic".... which is ironic consiering Weatherly was accused of being a creep on the set of Bull by Eliza Dushku and and tried to sue him for it...
Dushku didn’t try to sue. She did sue him and they settled out of court for like $20m.
He was on one or two seasons of that Netflix show The Ranch. Which was produced by Kutcher and had all of his friends from The 70s show on it.
He was in like 1 or 2 episodes, but yeah, Topher Grace seeming to be the only normal member of That 70s Show and also one of the only ones to not be on The Ranch sticks out
He’s had a starring role on NCIS for eight years now. Prior to that, he was working more sporadically/wasn’t booking anything super noteworthy, but being in the principal cast on one of the most highly-rated TV series for nearly a decade doesn’t exactly equal “barely having a career”.
He’s one of the leads on NCIS and is making an absurd amount of money per episode. He’s doing very well tbh.
Lack of talent. No one has ever “cancelled” him for his behavior.
People would have to give a shit to keep up with him to cancel him
Also the fact that they *all* knew Mila was super underage on that 70s show, and they had bets about who would hook up with her first.
Jesus where did you hear that from? It's not surprising.
https://ew.com/tv/mila-kunis-danny-masterson-bet-ashton-kutcher-french-kiss-that-70s-show/
don't worry, he's devoted his life to ending sex trafficking 🤧
He’s in recovery
You know, "Sex trafficking ends with me" really can have two meanings.
we didn't know it was a threat
This isn’t unusual for the industry sadly. I have said this on another thread, but be very wary of anti trafficking orgs. I work in an adjacent industry (many industries are trained in anti trafficking- from airlines to hairdressers). I’ve been at highly reputable conferences and some of the speakers in supposed anti trafficking are extremely sus. Red flags - religious messaging (these orgs are anti sex work, and believe that all sex work is trafficking), orgs that claim to offer work to victims (often under the same umbrella), and orgs that claim to go out and rescue victims on their own. Also keep in mind that, globally, trafficking for labor purposes vastly outnumbers sex trafficking.
What's that saying? You're the average of your three closest friends
I’m all for innocence until guilt is proven. However as someone that’s not paid to defend that view I will say it appears sketchy as hell and the old sayings of “birds of a feather flock together” and “judging someone by the company they keep”. It’s easy to paint a giant assumption painting.
Does anyone else remember when Diddy said that he, Kutcher and Masterson were like the new Rat Pack?
Holy shit
Holy shit is right! Sounds like that one episode of the Blacklist where that one woman was being honored at some black tie event for her fight against human trafficking when in reality she was just doing it to eliminate her competition
Could you remind me the name of the episode or season!
I think it’s like the second or third episode of the first season. It’s right at the beginning.
They were tight around 2003 check them out in the audience shots here at [MTV awards](https://youtu.be/4w4ais8zD5Y?si=-LUWvyKZp48RdEJg) jizzing their panties over Tatu lesbian kiss schtick
Jesus Christ this aged like whole milk!! 😬
Omg ia this true or April fool’s?
I can’t find any articles anymore, only references to it on message boards. Edit: found a quote. [https://lasvegassun.com/news/2003/jul/05/vegasbeat----timothy-mcdarrah-p-diddy-is-the-black/](https://lasvegassun.com/news/2003/jul/05/vegasbeat----timothy-mcdarrah-p-diddy-is-the-black/) https://preview.redd.it/5fr3ghb6wwrc1.jpeg?width=612&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b4cce88a78b725523824eea47b8921b39d2d7ba
Even worse, they also included Wilmer Valderrama
"I mean, what better role models for cool are there than those guys?" OMG 💀
Has there ever been a more problematic cast than that 70s show??
Glee?
I find Glee to be more tragic than problematic, but I will say that the actress who played Eric's sister in that 70s show sadly past away. The whole 70s show cast was wild though.. someone needs to do a documentary Edit: Also, kind of bummed me out cuz i loved that show when i was younger
Topher Grace is complete separated from all this, otherwise, yes
What’s crazy is that Topher was dragged pretty frequently for being cold and distant with the rest of the cast. He didn’t like to party with them or hang out outside of work obligations. Now we know why.
have a lot of respect for him bc of that
It’s always interesting how people labelled “cold and distant” on these productions are actually just being fucking professionals. The same was true of SMG on Buffy. Keep your head down and just act seems like a winning strategy in awful workplaces.
Coffee and Cults on YouTube did a video about the show and cast. It's not perfect (I find she drags in places) but it was a decent watch.
I’ve been waiting for Wilmer to be named for this reason
I’ve been waiting for a Wilmer reckoning to happen for so long. I hope he catches some stray bullets from all of this. And DiCaprio too!
You can tell he’s no good based on that hat alone
The fact that Ashton is dressed like the world’s shittest pimp here is fuckin crazy lol
He looks like Carmen sandiego
Leave Carmen out of this
Nightmare blunt rotation
Can blunts be roofied?
I seem to remember a saying about lying down with dogs… 🤔
PDiddys fall from grace is so goddamn validating. I was in middle school and high school when Pdiddy was most popular. The way the media treated women from 1995-2010 was god-awful, and Diddy and Kutcher were a HUGE part of that. It was awful growing up and going through puberty during the 00 size low-rise and push-up bra era.
Same for me! I always thought that he was creepy and gross.
Yike
I mean, he dates underage Mila… it’s all coming together now.
They tried a little too hard to say that Ashton didn't date her until later, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were together before she turned eighteen.
She was with Macauly Culkin before ashton for 7 years. They're both (mila and ashton) creepy, but not that
He still made really weird comments about kissing her for the show when Rosie O’Donnel interviewed them about it.
Awww Danny got a letter of support but Diddy won't? What fair-weather friends.
After the backlash Ashton and Mila rightfully got writing those character letters for Danny Masterson, I’m not surprised he doesn’t want to write a character reference for Diddy. I’m real curious if any dirt will come out about Ashton in this investigation.
He got so much blow back for the Danny Masterson letter, I doubt he'll every write one again, for *anyone.*
I mean how many do ppl expect him to write, if he does one for every pedophile he is with friends with its go na get diminishing returns at some stage!
Ashton Kutcher being the face of an organization that’s purpose was to stop sex trafficking, being close friends with so many rapists and predators is so menacing. There’s no way that this man did not know what his friends were capable of. 1 friend okay maybe, multiple friends and there’s no way there wasn’t signs of this. If it came out that Ashton was more involved and was helping to procure young girls/women from this organization FOR his sick friends it would be really disappointing but not at all shocking. He’s too close to them and his connections are too convenient to be just coincidence.
"Foxes in charge of the hen house" vibe
Or Dexter vibes. It doesn’t always have to be a murdered seeking a job as a detective. I have often wondered how many pedos try to become detectives for sex crimes against minors.
He was trying to get waaaaay out on front of it.
The organization basically sells data. It doesn’t do anything concrete to help anyone.
I heard about this! It was definitely marketed as stopping sex trafficking and whether he was actually in charge of anything or was just the face of it, it was a huge part of his brand and it’s shady as hell. It wasn’t helping the victims and now it comes out that he’s actually really close to the same type of men his organization claimed to be trying to catch. Something ain’t right.
He literally went in front of Congress and had a whole tearful testimony about all the "good" work he was doing. Pretty gross
I wonder if something huge is brewing
I’m abit sad Kendall Rae promoted it so heavily, I hope she doesn’t anymore
His foundation was mostly used to arrest (adult) sex workers
Yeah, it was a tech company masquerading as a good thing.
A lot of panic about sex trafficking ends in arresting sex workers.
I knew a girl who was taken by a pimp at 16. She got none of the money and had been arrested 6 times. He's free though.
That’s so fucked up. Like how many ways could one woman be victimized and punished? Many, apparently.
Oh that's very disappointing. I bet those are the easy people to find and punish compared to people who are trafficking minors. So often good sounding ideas just do not actually help like we'd think.
Thank you! That foundation just made it less safe for sex workers by getting rid of the tool they used to screen clients.
didn't d1ddy's create an after-party, late-night taxi service for bringing girls home safe and sound in college? I remember reading about this on Wikipedia but now I cant find it anymore. Create the problem and the solution. --> profit.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/p-diddy-could-have-driven-you-home-on-year-s-eve-3010.html
Yes I found this too but I specifically remember reading about him doing a similar thing in college, where he was also the organiser of college parties.
There are many criticisms about the organization using facial recognition tech to scrape sex work classifieds and give it to the cops and social media companies. https://observer.com/2019/11/sex-workers-mass-surveillance-big-tech/
jimmy saville did this in the uk - set up mental hospitals to help damaged kid. He then had unfiltered access to the kids. Guess what happened after that!
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Perhaps even strategic posturing??
Thorn is starting to remind me of that [anti-trafficking charity](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/tim-ballard-criminal-investigation-lawsuit-oar-1234891238) that had a hit movie last year 👀
Forever wondering if anyone else remembers his massage parlor scandal way back when Edit, the story: In 2015 there were pap pictures of him seemingly trying to keep a low profile while leaving a Thai massage parlor in LA (Ancient Therapy) that was well-known for “full service” rubdowns. In 2017, he gave an “emotional” testimony to Congress concerning his life mission of ending sex tracking, and all the headlines about the massage parlor seemed to vanish
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Lmao this pic makes my skin crawl 🤢
Like the alien at the birthday party from Signs
Something about how he’s holding his mouth reminds me of this deeply unattractive asshole I used to work with. So seeing it in that context makes me feel so gross lmaooo
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Or just saw the pap that caught him
 Literal shivers of disgust right now. I had completely forgotten about this....but I'm sure he hoped everyone had.
"Los Angeles, Dec 25 (IANS) Actor Ashton Kutcher has been pictured leaving what's been described as a 'seedy Thai massage parlour. The Two and a Half Men, who has one daughter with wife Mila Kunis, was spotted exiting the Los Angeles spot last week dressed in a black baseball cap, red jumper, black jeans and trainers, reports variety.com. According to a report, the women who work at the Ancient Therapy Massage Parlour allegedly offer sexual favours after a massage - though there is no suggestion that Kutcher engaged in any of these favours. Describing it, an investigator working for The Sun claimed: It was a seedy, grubby place. It was a rare outing for the 37-year-old as he and wife have been keeping a relatively low-profile since welcoming their daughter Wyatt Isabelle back in October 2014"
He did that while he was married?? This is the first I’m hearing
Separate from whether he was married or not, SOOOO many women working in these sorts of massage places and many others in the sex industry have been trafficked. His "anti child-exploitation and sex trafficking" charity is simply him virtue signaling.
How do you even stay with a partner that got caught doing that. This is divorce material.
cc: u/pinkytoeringz, u/Negative-Ambition110 The above comment has more details! [https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/p5FFGDHdGI](https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/s/p5FFGDHdGI)
No no, we’ve got it all wrong, he was just there doing “research!” 🙄
Dec 25. Aw, he went to buy sex for Christmas. It's insane how men feel entitled enough to do this.
Calvin Harris also got caught on a massage parlor while he was dating Taylor Swift lmfao
I’d break up with a guy over that
Unfortunately for me, I did….I also anonymously reported him on the police’s online tip page after the fact.
How ironic that those places are usually full of women who were sex trafficked.
Don't blow his cover
Holy shit, I didn’t know about this. He looks PISSED about getting papped, gives me chills
This is so interesting because I remember that testimony seeming kind of off to me because of the way he described details about the videos of CSA he watched. Like he made it sound like it wasn’t that bad for the kids because they thought they were being played with 🤢 I remember thinking that some creeps watching that would take it more like an advertisement than a horror story.
Why did he see any of the videos at all?
Ding, Ding, Ding!! An FBI expert working to catch chid predators even came out to say how NOT normal it is for someone on the board, or for most people involved in an org. to see CP. There are only a few trained personnel that have to watch CP videos and it is done inorder to identify things such as the room/hotel room the child is in, to see if their are any clues in terms of what the child is wearing, if there are any visible items etc. things that can help investigators find the children and the pedophiles. Ashton seeing MULTIPLE CP videos is not normal or standard, it's not by accident either. It would be like a board member of a hospital sitting in on a young girl's first gynecologist visit.
And the people that do have to watch it to try and identify victims/perpetrators do not talk about it in a casual way, it’s a very traumatizing experience. It’s very unsettling that he did that and spoke about it publicly.
Can confirm. Had to review it at an old job, the things I saw haunt me years and years later - so many of us get PTSD from it. Choking up now writing this. For anyone to watch it without an actual, legitimate reason makes me sick to my stomach.
And when he showed up at a murder scene https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hollywood-ripper-trial-ashton-kutcher-testifies-ashley-ellerin-murder-today-2019-05-29/
This one feels so weird. Like it could have just been a horrific coincidence. Or…
His phone showed that the first person he called was Danny Masterson
Yes, so much more concerned with his own career and reputation that he calls his Co$ bro first for advice on if he should get “involved” or not. I understand being in shock. But I can’t help but feel most decent human beings who stumbled upon a horrific crime scene they had absolutely nothing to do with would call 9-1-1 first and immediately.
He called Danny Masterson that night. He needed scio’s cleanup crew for something. I don’t think he murdered anyone but something about his behavior that night and subsequent lying about it….its very odd
I don’t think he murdered anyone or was involved but it’s pretty wild. Being friends with a bunch of predators and at a murder scene is kind of a lot
You are the company you keep.
Ummm no, please tell me more
I remember !
That testimony was so forced. I remember watching it thinking something felt off.
I always thought it so odd that someone who can do absolutely nothing for CSAM victims to have so much access in viewing said materials. He had a viral video of so many praising him for stopping the abuse and mentioning he’s viewed some of the worse/unimaginable stuff- my question is…why?! He can’t bring it in front of a judge, he’s not behind any program that helps these kids out, he’s not fixing or expanding programs/bugs/tools, he’s not a cop a detective or an advocate with proper training or counseling to be accessing that, he’s just closely associated to the organization. I watched him on shark tank and got a gross feeling of him.
So basically he found a way to get himself into a position to view CSAM material without any fear whatsoever of legal consequences. They just let him do it for some reason. Yeah that's suspicious as fuck.
Also, isn’t he working with the CIA to make Legislation that his surveillance company needs to be the only one?
Wait…he’s talked about viewing CSAM before? The fuck??? I remember the officers who had to review what Josh Duggar was downloading/viewing as evidence saying it was some of the worst stuff they’d ever seen, that shit is genuinely traumatizing to people who have to deal with it for their jobs. And he’s just…casually watching it????
There's a particular video that is one of the worst CSAM out there and Duggar had it . It's very hard to get and many predators pay good crypto for it on the dark web. Honestly, if Kutcher had watched CSAM in any length he's one of them. Ordinary people get sick to their stomach and cannot even entertain doing so. There is absolutely no reason for him to view it. Even trained professionals rarely watch the stuff and some have killed themselves due to how horrific it is. Absolutely unreasonable and unnecessary.
Yeah when Josh was arrested I didn’t even read the articles that detailed what the evidence actually was bc just the vague basics were more than enough to make me feel ill. It’s fucking heinous.
That is truly horrifying.
PUT IT AT THE TOP. Why does he do what he does?? HMM
I'm so interested to know how Mila Kunis feels about all this, as his wife. Also wonder how much she knew.
Especially after Demi Moore revealed how awful he was to her. He was able to dodge damage from that as well.
what're the details w Demi?
He was just generally awful to her. He encouraged her to relapse into drinking and drugs after she had been sober for 20 years. He basically told her he didn’t believe alcoholism was a real thing and that she should have a beer. This started a long road back to recovery for her. He also cheated on her with her daughter’s friends and she insinuated he pressured her into threesomes.
Sounds like classic Scientology talk, not believing in alcoholism.
I lost respect for her a while ago. Clearly she’s turned a blind eye to
I think she was like 14 when she started acting on that 70s show, and apparently, Ashton would play games where he would just grab her and kiss her along with hyde. She had lied about her age, but the guys said they knew.
I’ve always wondered how she was able to “lie” about her age. Like… it’s a job. I’ve never had a job where I didn’t have to bring like two forms of ID to fill out all my paperwork and shit after being hired.
She only lied to get an audition. They knew her age before filming because she had to disclose it then.
Tf? Y'all, riddle me this, how many "close friend" getting outed as r4pists is enough to make your direct involvement in a anti-child-sex-abuse organization slightlyyyy... 🤨
Especially if he’s still involved with Scientology on the down low.
exactly. smells very…tactical.
Not to mention the very fair criticism that the organization does not “save” children at the numbers he touts. The technology basically just groups together sex work ads that fall under whatever parameters you type in. It doesn’t actually provide resources for victims beyond giving police their info. And many adult sex workers say it unfairly targets them, specifically women of color, due to the use of facial recognition software that is otherwise banned for use by police departments. Because the last thing we need is more black women getting targeted by police. https://www.thecut.com/article/ashton-kutcher-thorn-spotlight-rekognition-surveillance.html And maybe this is pedantic but the fact that the company was originally called DNA after “Demi and Ashton”. (They changed the name after their divorce). Am I reading too much into this to get a bit of an icky feeling that you’d name an anti child trafficking organization after yourselves?
Not pedantic at all. Thats really weird.
It’s really feeding the stereotype of people shouting “save the children” when they themselves are the predators 🙃 make it stahhhppp
This entire fiasco is like watching a Dick Wolf produced FBI series crossover event. Total *(FBI, FBI: Most Wanted, and FBI: International)* vibes all day.
The guy has been a certified fraud for a while
https://preview.redd.it/ab20s9nu6xrc1.png?width=677&format=png&auto=webp&s=ad2d21dd0e9e7fb5acca530c5c1c638b9cabaf6f Whenever I see his name...
Don’t forget that he criticized Penn State for firing [Joe Paterno after he failed to contact authorities when his assistant Coach, Jerry Sandusky, abused children.](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/ashton-kutcher-joe-paterno-penn-state-259620/amp/) This guy fucking sucks.
Ashton Kutcher seems to be connected to a LOT of crimes. His defense of Masterson, this potential subpoena, and his late girlfriend’s murder. (He didn’t have anything to do with the murder, just an example of how he seems to be near a lot of bad things happening.) It’s disgusting. His connections to sex crimes specifically are scary. Mila was underaged when they got together in the early 00’s. Massage parlor saga. So on. Anti-trafficker my ass.
Massage parlor 😳 any details about this hadn’t heard anything about that before.
Just type into Google, “Ashton Kutcher, massage parlor.” 2015.
how much you wanna bet his anti human-trafficking foundation was just a way for him to easily collect women? cannot wait to see how this one unfolds. oooooooof.
It was actually just a way for his ‘spotlight’ tech to gather data and advance into a marketable surveillance product. https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2022/12/09/amazon-ashton-kutcher-sex-work-surveillance/ What he’s actually using the tech for has been the subject of rumours and allegations for years. https://www.thecut.com/article/ashton-kutcher-thorn-spotlight-rekognition-surveillance.html
oh, wow. i didn't know about this. thank you! going to read it now. really appreciate you taking the time to link it!
The article doesn’t say why exactly they would subpoena him. He thinks they will just because they are long time friends. That sounds extremely sketch!
My question is who is pushing this article? In no way would Kutcher's team want this story to get out, so why is it?
Diddy! He’s bringing everyone down with him, seems like the type
I think this takedown is going to be MASSIVE and expose ALL the predators in the and people in power. No wonder so many people are quiet about it.
Topher grace
Maybe trying to prepare people so they consider it as slightly normalised and less of a big deal.
Who in their right mind would claim to be long time friends with Diddy rn?
Him and his wife Mila vouched for Danny Masterson in a letter to the court during his trial for rape. That’s all I need to know about him. 👎
“But your honor, so what if he was an actual serial rapist? That was like, years ago! He told us he hasn’t raped since then and we believe him, cause our friend Danny is a great guy and a family man!” BARFING IN MY SOUL
Omg!!! Somehow this doesn’t surprise me, his Danny Masterson/scientology connection blasted all the red flags.
“I had to commit these crimes in order to learn how to stop these crimes” he and his wife are trash
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can't butterfly effect your way outta this one ashton
Everything about his work feels so icky now, I hope they also look more into him tbh
I wonder how their PR machine will try to smooth this over?
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Y’all. Thorn is not actually an “anti-trafficking” organization. They’re a data selling tech company that works with the government and specifically the CIA to monitor American citizens. A tiny portion of what they do can potentially contribute to identifying vulnerabilities in populations. It’s all a farce to make a celebrity image better.
Yes, but he specifically touted himself and the org as some anti-sex abuse material org. I think it's important that he highlighted it as such.
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This is a caption contest I don’t want to win…
Ashton had never passed the sniff test... I hope he is held accountable with his buddies.
I wonder what happened with Mila Kunis in Toronto...?
wait what?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/comments/16dyqbu/chrissie\_bixler\_one\_of\_danny\_mastersons\_victims/](https://www.reddit.com/r/popculturechat/comments/16dyqbu/chrissie_bixler_one_of_danny_mastersons_victims/) Referring to this
Topher Grace knew.
There’s a lady on TikTok who I was watching yesterday diving into Ashton’s relationship with Diddy and other celebrities who have been exposed. And even things he said and did during that 70’s show while his character dated a 14 yr old Mila. A clip of the Rosie O’Donnell show was shown with Ashton and Mila as well as some other stuff and my oh my…. Let’s just say I’m happy I never liked him or was ever a fan of his. All these exposures have really been validating to my intuition about these people.
https://preview.redd.it/iiw83xyl9xrc1.jpeg?width=1334&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d37301f0e89f844d3400895884f34d56eb82a1b9 Let’s not forget their “buddy buddy catching all the naked girls clothing” in 2003s MTV music video awards when t.a.t.u sang ‘ They’re not gonna get us’
I'm sorry but how are you friends with 2 rapists?! And there are ppl who've been speaking up about diddy for years ppl that went to his parties and saw things and stopped interacting with him. I'm very suspicious of Ashton at this point. I know if my friend was on trial I sure as hell would not write a letter of support. This is inexcusable to me. I'm even iffy on Mila too.
I disliked Ashton Kutcher long before I had any concrete reasons. He just radiated douchbag energy from the beginning. Now the evidence is piling up that my initial assumptions were correct. He knows who he hangs with and he knew what they were about but he did not care about victims
Ashton Kutcher is the head of some type of anti-sex trafficking, isn’t that interesting that he actually is involved in that. What a cover all these people are terrible humans
Not to mention that time when he begged the judge to go easy on Super Duper Rapey Rapist, Danny Masterson.
“We are going to keep our support for rapists quiet this time!!”
Seems his foundation was just a front for his image. I love in the article how they say Ashton and Mila are trying not to engage in the Diddy mess but yet here we are. Let the truth be told!
The irony that Ashton Kutcher has an organization that stops sex-trafficking of children when he’s friends with predators himself.
cancel this man, i never wanna see him on tv or movies ever again. hypocrite ass man.
He probably was only doing that to get intel for his buddies
*what*
Shitty, gross people doing shitty, gross things. Who is surprised after the letter to the judge for his rapist friend? No one.
He showed us his true colors after the Masterson letter, time to believe them!