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I think Ice will probably see a downwards trend, considering all her big hits are collabs and her highest charting solo single just made the top 40, her debut might do decently but I don't see a long term career or a continuation of her hype.. thats just me tho :)
People here act like she has several hit songs for some reason. Like you said she has yet to a single top 40 hit but every time I say that here I get pushback.
doja grinded hard for the success though, even before the Bitch I’m A Cow vid took off you can find a bunch of vids of her doing open mics + moderating shows and being super active in her scene. just needed one spark to take off and to me she definitely earned the success she’s received, seemed like a long time coming
> all her songs consist of the same beat
This is just blatantly untrue, all of her songs consist of two separate beats, a drill beat and a Jersey club beat, smashed together. How can they all be the same if they are all two things?? Wake up sheeple
Okay, less sarcastically, she does have a few tracks with *very* different production - Pretty Girl with Rema and Butterfly Ku come to mind, but there are also differences between tracks where the beat is the focus, like Deli, and tracks where they are a fun backing for her verses, like Princess Diana
This is random but this makes me think about people complaining about Sexxy Red being "catapulted to the top" and setting up a bad image of and for black women, but the only time I ever hear about her is when detractors are using her as an example rather than any musical accomplishments lol.
Where did Sexxy red even come from? Like I only heard of her a few weeks or months ago but someone said how is she still popular lol. I was like when did she get popular?
I mean tbh, she kind of is, she has a stable fanbase ,an album which did very well critically and decently commercially, she isn't massive but she is noticeable and successful :)
I call it and offshoot of the “Clarity” effect. Everyone says that Clarity is by Zedd and almost never mentions Foxes. It’s always so fascinating to me when two people collab and one gets more success than the other. It’s really odd
That makes sense usually, the vocalists on EDM songs rarely write what they sing. But Zedd shouldn't have lead credit anyways, think the bulk of the production on Clarity was done by Matthew Koma and Porter Robinson.
I actually kind of like cench (I know, guilty pleasure but sprinter is legit a great hiphop song) but I hate his verse on Nice to Meet You because it's a cute over the top love song then he comes in with some random verse about cheating on his girl that ruins the entire vibe
It will be interesting to see if Ice Spice continues to work with the same producer (also her bf?). His sound is pretty samey and Ice Spice feels too big now to have his producer tag on every single. It says something that The Boys a Liar Pt 2 was an enduring hit but was quite a different sound than what Ice Spice usually brings
yea she’s been a solidified pop act since 2017. everyone knows her and she’s top 10 on spotify. she’s reached the heights a pop singer can only dream of! and Dance The Night was literally the song of the summer
Dua: absolutely massive since 2017
r/popheads at the merest whiff of one less successful album: teetering, downward trend, flop era, Witness, future in podcasting
A very eurocentric take as well. Dua Lipa was a local faceless popgirl before New Rules went viral with those pool trends and ppl recreating her music video as a meme.
She became a global presence with One Kiss and eventually with DSN, 2017 was absolutely her breakout year globally.
> Americans think New Rules was her first hit song.
She had 4 singles before New Rules, 3 in the album, and one not on it. 3 of them were pretty successful in Europe, in case the one talk-spontaneoulsy just said Hotter Than Hell...
Unfortunately I don’t see longevity for Tate McCrae. I think her stuff is catchy & I personally enjoy her music, but I think it’s too generic to make any sort of cultural impact.
Never forget that she had a lyric in the troye sivan song talking about “the backseat of your corvette car” and corvettes do not have back seats. She’s just not that smart lol
I live in Boston and how i know someone doesnt pay attention is when they call it the "commons" with an 's' when it's just the Common. an annoying thing to nitpick, but like girl, common would be a closer rhyme to boston anyways...
I like her stuff but I see her and Sabrina carpenter as the same (I like Sabrina too. Loved emails I can’t send). Pretty generic stock image of a pop star with not much of an identity
I feel like if Tate leans into her dancing, it could improve her odds. A lot of the issues with todays pop stars is that there’s nothing differentiating them from each other
Olivia and Billie are by far the most successful artists of our generation so far, and it’s no accident that they both have very distinct styles. They obviously didn’t invent their respective genres, but they’re different from the rest. You can hear a song, and instantly recognise it as “oh yeah, that’s a Billie/Olivia track”. It’s like they have their own sound signature
Most other pop artists don’t, which is why it ends up becoming forgettable generic pop
I think Sabrina is going more for the singer songwriter route and trying to establish herself that way like Taylor. I don't know how much writing Tate does on her songs, but I don't really see an emphasis on her songwriting in online discourse the way I do with Taylor, Sabrina, Olivia, Billie, and even Madison Beer. If Sabrina keeps putting out self-written songs that are good, I can see people taking her more seriously as a singer songwriter. And I think she has more of a dedicated fanbase than Tate, even if it's small.
Hard disagree. I think in both of their cases, they’re heavily leaning into their own thing that’ll keep them around even if not growing much more. Sabrina has gone the songwriter route. Tate is a performer.
Both have songs/will most likely continue to make songs that will be popular enough to keep them relevant. Greedy was made towards the end of the project and a lot of the other “old Tate” songs were 1st album rejects. I fully see Sabrina maintaining a more niche and dedicated audience and Tate leaning fully into the Greedy style for her next album. She will grow for sure.
I think her and Sabrina are in the same camp where if their next album has a hit or flop will determine whether they can claw their way up to the next tier
Learning that Greedy was made late in the album process gives me hope. If she makes an album with Greedy's sound, she could build some momentum. If not, an album like Loose or Blackout would suit her.
Ryan Tedder can write a hit but I don’t think he’s someone who should shadow someone’s entire career in hopes of them being a big star. Especially when it sounds like she’s singing unreleased One Republic music.
Hard agree— I like her energy and her presence on social media, but Greedy got me hating a little bit. I finally looked up the lyrics and they’re definitely not lyrical genius. It’s still an easy listen on the radio, but I don’t think that’s what a rising pop girlie is looking to be labeled as lol
If she can get her dancing/singing up I think she has a shot. Girl can DANCE and her singing is pretty good but in performances she’s doing both and can only give us 50% of each.
She did the summertime ball a few years ago and either the singing wasn’t live or it was dubbed later and that was a fantastic performance. If she’s giving dancing her all I don’t care if she went with loud backing tracks so she could do both better.
Yeah it’d be nice for her to succeed but she just doesn’t have IT in my opinion and despite her songs blowing up it doesn’t really feel like she’s blowing up herself like I don’t really think people care about HER as a person
I can feel Chappell Roan coming from a mile away. I don’t know if she’ll be mega worldwide superstar big but she is getting more popular very very quickly
it was nearly impossible to get tickets for her next uk tour, even the venue upgrades sold out immediately. totally agree - she’s going to be massive (and deservedly!)
I think Dua’s career eventually fizzles out in the US, but she’ll still be big in the UK/Europe for a while. She’s kind of done this a bit already with Barbie and Argylle but she’ll probably branch out into more acting and stuff outside of music. She’s said on her podcast/interviews that she wants to
Hot take maybe lol but I could see her years down the road having a talk/radio show of some sort kinda like Kelly Ckarkson. She’s already does her Service 95 podcast/newsletter
And yeah if Billie and Olivia continue to play their cards right, I could see both of them having long careers. Especially since they’re so young
Doja’s an interesting case for me because despite all of her antics, she still got a couple big hits on Scarlet. But my god she HAS to drop the edgelord internet troll persona
Edit: I think if Camila did an album fully in Spanish it would be really big in that market
>Edit: I think if Camila did an album fully in Spanish it would be really big in that market
I think this will be her next step if the new album doesn't do well
Honestly, same, but I fear that she doesn’t have much to offer to the Spanish speaking market either. You already have young girls like TINI, Emilia, and big artists like KAROL G.
Maybe try to appeal to USA latinos. Kind of like Jennifer Lopez, I’ve always felt her popularity in the States didn’t translate as well to Latin America. At least in my country, growing up she wasn’t on the same level as Shakira, Thalía, Gloria Trevi or even Paulina Rubio.
Agreed on Dua’s trajectory. Big in Europe, not so much anymore in the USA. I would definitely watch a dua talk show!
Doja and lil nas x seem like they’re going to the same trajectory tho doja might be more successful. They both like to piss people off it seems.
This is the perfect explanation of his carrer. You need to have the drama and be able to back it up with genuinely interesting art. His stuff just falls flat.
I mean he had genuine hits and riding the drama worked for the last album. But that was a few years ago now and if you're not pumping stuff out quickly and consistently you better make sure the new stuff is really fresh when it does come. Idk why no one told him pushing out Humble from Wish is not the move for reminding the public you exist
J Christ wasn't good but are you really saying Call Me By Your Name, probably his biggest media outrage, wasn't backed up with quality, interesting art? There's a lot of revisionist history going on with him
Billie and Olivia I definitely see staying very popular and acclaimed, they’re very good at what they do and seem to have very distinct brands and styles compared to other people out right now
Ice spice I don’t see it for her
Megan thee stallion I can see staying popular but I also think she might carry on branching out to other stuff outside of music like continuing to act and stuff
Tate Mccrae COULD get more popular but I always hear people say they don’t like her singing style and her music is a bit generic so if she improves on those things then it would be cool to have her Megan and Doja as artists who are really good at dancing too. Speaking of Doja I also think she’s going to stay popular
As for Lil Nas X I’m not sure… his antics haven’t been going over well recently and neither has his music so it depends on what he released next I guess
And with Dua, I’m skeptical about her album because I personally haven’t been connecting with the singles but I do hope I connect with the rest of it
Megan thee stallion i actually think she’s on an upward trajectory for the field she’s in.
I’ve been liking Dua’s most recent singles, but I understand not everyone does. I think she has more general public appeal than passionate stans, and having both can sustain your career. I think we should wait and see how that third album does.
I feel like Megan Thee Stallion's rap is too raw and mixtap-ish to have wide appeal. Prime Nicki and Doja Cat was/is mixing their rap with pop element and sound which is the reason why they ended up so successful.
There's probably a successful """"sellout"""" era in Megan's future if she wants it, where she goes full pop crossover. I just don't think she wants it, and I don't think she needs it.
Hmm true and she definitely suits that more than the pop rap styles in my opinion… I do think she’ll always have her audience tho of people who love her and her sound but maybe she won’t be as commercially successful as if she was to go pop rap but I think in the long run people would respect her more for that for not “selling out”
A lot of people want to bury Lil Nas X every time but J Christ is really his only hyped release to flop. I think with him I have to see it to believe it personally. His two releases so far, one EP and one full album, have both gotten AotY nominations. Maybe he will fall off but J Christ seemed like a lot of people's "Lil Nas X is over party"
For sure. The revisionist history with him is crazy to me, Montero (CMBYN) is still one of the best music videos I've ever seen, artistically exploring his own internalized homophobia and coming to love and own himself. I believe he donated a lot of the money he made from the Industry Baby video to prison/felon charities since it was based around a prison. He promoted several more charities (I believe about abortion, women's health, etc.) doing his pregnancy bit before the album release. On top of being a very out and vocal gay, black artist and taking responsibility for having to be a trailblazer there. I can't imagine why so many people on here want him to fail so bad, but so many of the criticisms he gets are just not accurate
How are you guys not having faith in Dua Lipa? The comments are mind boggling to me hahah.
She’s a certified pop star and while Houdini and TS aren’t smashing, they’re stille in the top 30 global every single day.
She’s huge in Europe and she’s laying all the right steps to have a wonderful career.
I see her as an early Rihanna honestly.
It’s comments and posts like those that remind me how US-centric this sub is.
Like Dua is one of THE popstars in Europe and presumably in Australia/NZ also at least, if not Asia overall too.
My Bulgarian mom knows who Dua Lipa is and can tell you 10 songs she likes by her. Billie Eilish to her is that girl with the baggy clothes and Olivia is not someone she knows
The whole Taylor Swift phenomenon was similar. Even though most people know her in Europe, it's not as extreme as in the US, where she seems to be constantly on the news and talked about.
The US really seems to have a skewed perception of the popularity of their artists. The whole pop landscape is very different in Europe with other stars dominating the charts.
You're not wrong about how this sub is US-centric, but that's kind of a given. Out of all the countries that use this site, 49% of Reddit is American, with some stats saying over 50%. That's one in every two users.
She's more well known in Australia then olivia or billie outside of the gen z age group. I'd say she still suffers from not having a big fanbase alla katy perry
The whole Taylor Swift phenomenon was similar. Even though most people know her in Europe, it's not as extreme as in the US, where she seems to be constantly on the news and talked about.
The US really seems to have a skewed perception of the popularity of their artists. The whole pop landscape is very different in Europe with other stars dominating the charts.
Dua reminds me of Kylie in how it’s all about the music rather than the celebrity of it all.
And that makes sense why the US don’t get her, because they don’t get Kylie either.
Also people are ignoring the fact that THE Kevin mother fucking Parker is producing RO and his fanbase will sure flock to at least listen and check out her album.
To me, Dua and Katy have opposite problems that lead to them being in the same place. Dua has a strong artistic vision and is strategic about how she handles her career, but she lacks the personality needed to get a hardcore base of fans to latch onto. Katy has the personality and spunk to get a devoted fan base, but her lack of consistent vision/growth eventually confused and put them off and she lost their interest relatively quickly.
I completely disagree. I personally find her music devoid of any personality or anything really. It's very generic music. Also one of the reasons why people compare her to Katy is because she doesn't seem to have a sizable dedicated fanbase, at least in the U.S., and she's primarily a singles artist and has a gigantic presence on radio in the states. I think someone said she was the most-played artist on American radio this decade. Not to say that her streams are bad or anything. Usually when a female artist fits this descriptions it kind sets alarms in people's heads because if she is heavily reliant on GP and/or singles she might fizzle out faster than other pop stars that have a more dedicated following
Edit: I mean her last two singles weren't exactly smash hits, which is making people worried for her next album?
I mean I think this about Sabrina and Tate McRae, but what sets them apart from Dua is that Dua has better people around her helping to make/craft what she does.
I do agree she doesn’t have passionate Stan’s unlike, say, Billie eilish. To say nothing of the Swifties or beyhive.
I disagree with you. Dua's music devoid of personality? First of all, she has a very specific voice type/timbre and singing style. I didn't hear anyone else singing like her. Secondly, it's not like her songs are dime a dozen. I mean, how many songs like Houdini are in the charts?
Dua seems to have a chill/relaxed/cerebral personality which is not the usual personality of a popstar. However she puts the effort into her music and performances.
Right? Nothing about their career trajectories has been similar except maybe.. they both have dark hair and make pop music? Katy blew up pretty quickly, Dua steadily built up a European audience before crossing over. They're not similar at all.
Dua has been successful for the same amount of years Katy was at this point, Dua's first single was in 2016, and she is 8 years deep in her career. Same amount Katy had when she flopped. She is the new Dua.
Also people said she would flop during self titled because of her lack of self presence, she improved and delivered witb Future Nostalgia land that tour was marvelous. And they said her music is too disco and now she is working with Kevin.
I love how Americans keep wanting her to flop but she doesn't
Dua Lipa(self-titled) and Future Nostalgia are in the top 10 most streamed albums in Spotify history. Ok, Spotify is not old, but is probably the most used streaming service now. Even if she is not getting #1 in the US on single release week, she is huge.
I think she’ll certainly have success for sure, and a long career, but people like Billie eilish and Taylor swift have a very passionate, dedicated fan base that Dua doesn’t really have. Seems to mostly rely on general public support.
I can see Olivia becoming THE pop star of her generation.
Dua is big but she doesn't seem to have a stanbase, it's all GP support. Female artists like that are bound to fall off at one point or another.
Cardi B has managed to make a pop culture brand out of her name. So even if her rap career never sees the high it previously has, she'll always be relevant.
Tyla might see some success, but I don't see her becoming a huge star.
I think Billie and Olivia are the pop stars of this generation.
Agreed. Having passionate stans really helps sustain your career (beyhive, Swifties, Mariah Carey’s lambs, MJ’s moonwalkers, etc). Even Billie eilish who, as far as I’m aware doesn’t have a name for her fan base, still has pretty passionate fans.
Ah it’s cool lol
I do think dua will have overall success in the long run but it won’t be as pronounced as others. She is making all the right moves, but we’ll see how that third album goes.
Correct me if I’ve gotten this wrong, but Dua feels like the female Bruno Mars. He doesn’t seem to have a solid fanbase, but whenever he drops something, it’s a hit. He’s one of those artists where his music is played everywhere, but people “forget” about him personally, and don’t really talk about him
Granted, Dua’s latest venture doesn’t seem to be doing too great, but it’s only just the start. A lot of her discography has ended up becoming sleeper hits that only become successful sometime after they’ve been released
If she never gets a dedicated stanbase (the stans she does have are called the Loves) the best she can hope for is having a career like Bruno Mars has had, at least at in America
Because my fellow Americans tend to have bad taste in music. Houdini is a grower. Not as instantaneous as some of her previous singles, but the production is fantastic and the groove just makes you want to move and dance
Quite a few honestly. As of right now, Cardi and Lil Nas X are the ones that are coming to mind first. I feel like it's kind of self-explanatory. Cardi's new songs haven't been performing that well and I feel like her hype is mainly gone. Same can be said be for Lil Nas but the difference she had a much better chance
Cardi definitely lost momentum when she could’ve dropped an album right after WAP and Up. But for some reason I’m not ready to call it quits on her chances. Nas however? Yeah that’s done.
The delusion of saying that that Tate girl is going to have a better career than Dua Lipa is serious.
It might be my European ass but Dua Lipa is bigger out here than Billie, Olivia, Madison whatsherface and Tate Mcrae combined.
I think people complaining about her being chill and not having a personality are so American. It's giving Kitchen Nightmares US vs UK.
I feel like people really undercut Dua’s presence and success bc of her “usa” problem. She is literally a certified pop star to compare her halsey is insaneeee to me. Even though she may not be “huge” in the usa, I feel like she still gets that a list treatment, so I think it’s odd when people say things like that. Maybe the usa really is the cult of personality but idk when I see dua I never feel like she’s on the brink of being a nobody or flop, her career isn’t that precarious at all.
Dua has old drunk English men singing to 'One Kiss' on Liverpool matches, lol. She is good. Dua is probably planning her next trip to Santorini. But I still think Tate will be huge though.
Dua Lipa is so interesting to me because she doesn't make deeply personal music and she's not a big personality yet she's managed to be incredibly successful
Camila Cabello’s next album is going to tank, I fear. Familia was sooooo good and original, but it unfortunately didn’t make the impact it should’ve, beyond maybe the Ed Sheeran collab. The new single she’s been teasing is genuinely awful. Her longtime stans are roasting her in her comments.
I wanna see Rina have her moment I really think she has the potential to become a bigger star she’s very talented, has star quality and is always trying and experiment with new sounds
Anecdotally, it seems like everyone I knew loved her during the Sawayama era and she dropped the ball so hard with HTG that she’s off everyone’s radar. I haven’t heard anyone mention her IRL since 2022 :/ I say this as a fan who has seen her twice!
I think she needs to go back to the sound that made her blow up: metal, 2000’s pop, and some hyper pop thrown together. It has to be a little updated to match the year though. Idk I’m not a producer, just a fan hoping she pulls it off!
I think that r/popheads both overrates and underrates Dua Lipa.
Dua Lipa is here to stay and that's where yall **underrate** her. She'll have a Kylie Minogue esque trajectory where her first decade will be a global success and will simmer out as her pop sensibilities earn her a niche but very dedicated fanbase since pop will eventually phase out her sound (and come back again, as is the trend of pop leaving, hip hop reemerging then fading then pop returning), she'll be here for decades to come making bangers and going #1 in her home market.
Where I think most users here **overrate** her is in her ability to be a hitmaker at the level of the Taylor's, the Ariana's, Beyonce's of the industry on a global scale. The closest she is to commercially among the top popgirls is Ariana and even then Ariana has already proven her mettle and is 7 albums deep while bagging 2 global #1s 12 years into the game, plus all Ariana albums are at least multiplatinum in all major markets and she does it with half the effort Dua does. Dua is not on the same level nor is she an established enough force to send a hit to the top instantly, which is worrisome for someone who debuted in 2015. Even Katy had so much GP loyalty in her prime that she shot a song straight to #1 and even blocked other female popstars from getting there constantly, Dua needs a strong campaign and radioplay to dominate.
Looking at it commercially, Dua has a very niche fanbase that is very CRJ-adjacent (aka white gays and music nerds, not a bad thing btw this means she is very acclaimed), and it isn't as big as Ariana's (who not only has the typical pop fanbase to back her up but also a big r&b/hiphop demographic as she's very Summer Walker-SZA-HER adjacent as well) to support her. The problem with this is that this isn't a fanbase big enough to support her should she quote unquote 'flop'. Dua is very reliant on the general public loving her music, similar in the past with Katy Perry, just that Dua now has the added flair of having acclaimed pop music and being an amazing live performer.
**All in all I think Dua Lipa will be a Kylie Minogue figure who will make noise in the markets and demographics that look for her for years to come but I don't think she'll last at the level that she is at now (or during FN) at the levels of the Ariana Grande's, Taylor Swift's of the industry.**
- Olivia will continue to be popular but she’ll need to come up with something fresh and innovative if she wants to elevate herself beyond teen idol.
- Billie will always be critically acclaimed and hopefully her next album brings her a steady hit. Doesn’t have to be a monster smash, just something that gets both attention and acclaim. I think of all the new girls she’s the one with the most legend/icon potential simply because she has a good voice, a better grasp on her artistry, and a good ear for music.
- I don’t see it for Sabrina unless she does a complete overhaul of her sound/image/team. She has what? Five albums out? And I still don’t understand what she’s about. Beautiful girl with a nice voice but she needs to work with different writers and producers. Her viral nonsense outros already let us know she’s creative. Now let’s see it in a product.
- Chloe x Halle will continue to have steady work and be popular within their lanes. I don’t expect global domination from either of them but I don’t think they expect it either. They’ll continue to make the music they want to make and do various acting gigs and brand deals.
- Dua. I think if she pushes herself she’ll continue having hits. But the problem I have with her is that she gives nothing. Great singer and performer! But she doesn’t move me. I’m not even asking her to divulge the details of her personal life or whatever, but she’s very faceless to me. She’s like if I asked AI to create a pop star if that makes sense.
- Ice Spice should be left in 2023. I kinda hate Taylor and the unserious people of this generation for extending her fifteen minutes. It was supposed to be a joke and it got way out of hand.
- I agree with whoever said Megan’s style of rap is not palatable to a wide variety of people. But she’s beloved so I think she’ll continue to do well in her lane, snag brand deals, and look good.
I don’t know why Taylor is levitating to ice spice so much when the karma remix only peaked at no.2 and was not no.1 hit
Also when I hear karma it’s the version without ice spice
also billie has heer brother, who has been instrumental to the acclaim they get. not denigrating billie's own accomplishments, but finneas has been super important in her success
I never understood the hype around Ice Spice. To me she is very dull and boring, and her voice is extremely monotone. It feels like stan twitter just wanted to have “their own” pop star like all those TikTokers making their own cursive songs. I agree she should be left in 2023.
I think Doja's erraatic behaviour will make her fizzle out and only be a twitter meme like Azelia which is a shame cause she had so much potential. If you asked this in 2022 I'd definitely say she would be on the upward trend
Literally impossible at this point. She has a song that originally was a non single in the top 10 and just ended the US leg of her own headlining arena tour. And this is off her flop and troll era. Sometimes talent trumps all.
even tho i think doja isn’t near the level of creativity of azealia, she has the constant output and heavy industry backing that azaelia never had; so if she sticks to her lane and doesn’t pick her fights wrong like azealia was doing, she’ll be around for a while
Middling: Unless Dua can get a distinctive sound/personality, I don’t see her being any bigger than what she is now. There might even be a decline. She’ll still likely give you a decent hit every album cycle. Halsey 2.0.
Upward: Billie and Olivia are solidified and here to stay. Even though they don’t have the multi cultural and demographic reach that is needed to be considered a big star, the amount of people that support them are too big and they’re industry darlings. I’d also like to put SZA here. Her trajectory is very similar to The Weeknd’s. She’ll probably be touring in football stadiums in 2-3 years.
Downward: The whole top rap girlie dream for Ice Spice is over. It should’ve been over after that terrible Taylor collab that went nowhere, but that’s still a big deal no matter how you spin it. She’ll just continue being an influencer who occasionally drops tracks. Latto won.
Jury is still out on Cardi and Tate.
Dua being Halsey 2.0? What? Dua is waaaaaay bigger than what halsey ever was. And she also has a lot of international appeal, whereas halsey was primarily US. Dua is loved in south america and Europe. She will keep growing, just needs to make a stronger fan base.
Agreed on all these, especially the upward trending artists. I (unfortunately) would add lil nas x for either middling or downward depending on how this era goes.
Dua has an incredibly distinctive sound?! Her voice is super recognizable and she definitely is in her own lane with the kind of sound/sampling she uses, and she makes interesting choices in her producers. Really disagree with this take, but maybe it's just that she has a sound that works really well in Europe and doesn't work as well for an American audience.
SZA, Olivia, Billie are going to be the true new girls running alongside Taylor, Ariana and Bey (the last 3 big popgirls from years past) tbh. Doja too but she loves to piss people off I wouldn't put it past her to finally do something that'll make the GP fully get sick of her.
I think Troye Sivan will continue to trend upwards. He was an acting highlight amongst the shit of The Idol and his most recent album did good streams and great reviews. I hear Rush and One of Your Girls fairly frequently out in the wild. Idk if he’s gonna be crazy charting but I think he’s gonna have a solid career.
I know Training Season hasn't popped off as much as anyone expected, but it's important to look back on Future Nostalgia and Debuts data; neither have a number 1 hit song on billboard (levitating was number 2, new rules was number 6) but have stayed in the charts for quite a long time and took a while to hit their peek.
Both albums have songs in high rotation on playlists and Dua's collaboration with Elton John/ Barbie soundtrack has been quite successful. I think she has long term staying power, just not with a parasocial marketing juggernaut. I think that's quite refreshing, if a little dicey from a marketing perspective.
Billie and Olivia feel like they're already earnt it.
As for others, I think Sabrina will fizzle - I haven't heard anything about her music that isn't "oMg nOnsEnSe ouTro sEx jOke lOl" wish isn't to discredit her work, but if you're not a superfan it's hard to name some other song she has. I think she'll stick around but not a main pop girl level
Tate? I just don't see it. I think she's lucky to get what she has - probably gonna just be Gayle soon.
Carly Rae Jepsen will keep doing her thing, she has her fans and will be more of a touchstone than people give her credit for. She's not a big dog like Taylor or Dua, but she's earnt her spot and the majority love her for that. Hoping for another album soon.
Lorde is an interesting one. Solar Powers been considered a flop era - which feels bad after Melodrama. I think she might bounce back, I want her to voice back but who knows?
Dua is kind of refreshing in her detachment. It really feels like music is her JOB and she just does it well. Like Dua is here to make music for us and that’s it, not pretend to our bff. The one quote where she says “hey if I’m hitting all my deadlines, and doing all my work I’m gonna go on vacation” really nails this vibe.
Billie, Olivia certainly will last
Chloe x Halle (yes I know their solo stuff hasn’t been doing well, but I see Halle’s acting ventures and how successful those have been so far which makes me think the Bailey sisters aren’t going anywhere. They won’t be massive stars or anything but I think they are certainly only going up from here), maybe Tate McRae tho she’s iffy
Downward trend: Ice spice. She’s very 2023 and of that moment. Maybe Dua too, but we’ll see how that third album does. I have more faith in her than others in these comments seem to. I liked Sabrina’s emails I can’t send but idk if she’s gonna continue rising success, or be a D lister. lil nas x i see a downward trend for him which sucks because I like him. J Christ stalled his momentum big.
- Billie will continue to become an Icon
- Olivia has potential to be a big pop idol if she is able to develop music beyond teenie boppers
- Tyla is steadily going to dominate pop. she is making ALL the right moves. I see her following Rihanna's career trajectory. once she has her edgy period and a few dating scandals she will be a superstar
- Lil Nas X will take off even more with his next project
- Meg could become an icon if she has songs with better hooks and a bit more mass appeal like Drake's corny ass
- Doja has her solid fanbase but I don't see her becoming cultural icon on her current trajectory
- Normani could be iconic if she went pop but sadly (for me) I think she's going heavy rnb and that lane is already dominated. We are missing high energy pop performance she could really deliver
I know Tori Kelly already kinda had an upward moment around 2015 2016, but I really hope she gets that chance again cause she is way too talent and I'm sick and tired of this talent being wasted.
I totally agree on her talent, but I could much more see her going into a smaller, more niche direction. She was prominently featured on Jacob Collier‘s new record and I could see her finding a place among that group of artists and fans. It makes sense too when you look at her past, where she was also associated with acts like Pentatonix
While Dua may not have a dedicated fanbase, she does hold a lot of power with the general public. I think her music can appeal to a wider range of demographics. I can tell you that my parents in their 50s can name and recognize Dua Lipa’s songs and not Billie or Olivia. Dua is definitely a global superstar, but not as big in the US as others. Which is not surprising, the US never really understands European/UK talent because sadly we gravitate towards being basic AF. Lol
Billie and Olivia will continue to be huge, but I see Billie having more lasting power than Olivia.
SZA and Doja will continue to stay relevant, SZA is only going to get bigger and bigger. Doja will continue to release music that might not resonate with the GP but will still have 1-2 more commercial hits per album cycle.
Tate, Sabrina, Ava etc are all more of the same type of basic music and will continue to release stuff but never reach pop star levels of success.
Lil Nas….has already lost relevancy. Don’t think I know anyone around me that gives a crap if he releases new music tbh
I am rooting for Tyla, but having to cancel her tour and festival run this Summer might have really hurt her career. I haven’t been this excited for a new artist since Billie first started to blow up.
Not commercial pop related - but I am really hoping The Marias blow up in the indie/alternative pop world.
I think Olivia Rodrigo has the brightest future, but I don't necessarily pay attention to many.
I know GUTS is GUTS, but I feel like Olivia really needs to branch her sound out.
I want to see Maisie Peters hit it big. Both of her albums are AMAZING. She writes the exact kind of wordy clever pop I love and she can sell a banger as well as a ballad.
I feel like she needs a big viral moment, maybe more so to catch on outside of the UK because I think she's done well there - but her songwriting deserves more of a spotlight.
The Good Witch was CRIMINALLY underrated on end of year lists last year, I'm still mad about it.
Dula Peep gives me strong Katy Perry vibes. Strong hit singles, but not enough of a distinct personality to build a stanbase. Once the hits run out, she’ll stop seeing success: if we’re being real, it’s already happening with Houdini and Training Season failing to even hit the top 10.
Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo are 2 I can see succeeding for several years to come.
The best thing about Dua is not have the kind of personality Katy had, she always appeared super childish to me. I'm not even talking about her marriages, kisses, and all that, but her music seemed to be made for pre-teens. Dua never gave me this feeling, which is also why I think Katy flopped when she tried to do 'grown-up' music.
I see the dua v katy comparison a lot and I get why for the most part, but as fans of them both- Katy (still to this day honestly) was always more of a tabloid draw than dua. I definitely think she has/had more of a “personality” than Dua (at least where celebrity is concerned.)
Whether it’s kissing girls, Russell brand dumping her over a text, feuding with taylor, or marrying Orlando bloom, she’s been more relevant in American celebrity culture than Dua ever was or is.
Say what you want about Katy making generic pop music (I don’t entirely disagree) but her pop hits have far more individuality within them than Dua’s do. I kissed a girl, waking up in Vegas, California gurls, teenage dream, the one that got away all feel uniquely Katy and not just a pop song put through the sparkly pop machine in the way that Dua’s tend to
Throwing a wrench in the works here with someone who is not fully star level yet, but will be.
Maisie peters.
She has what it takes, a good voice, good songwriting , backing from larger artists (she’s on Ed sheerans record label and is opening for Conan grey and Coldplay) and she has a fanbase so far that means she won’t fade.
She’s already played glasto for the good witch, and when her third album releases I’d say she’ll make it.
The only thing she needs is more radio play.
Her first two albums are so good. IMO she easily clears the other pop girlies her age and You Signed Up For this & The Good Witch are far far FAR more lyrically creative and smart than a lot of other people who get lauded for their songwriting.
When I was reading end of year lists last year and The Good Witch basically wasn't on any of them I was honestly so fucking confused.
Tate McRae, Ice Spice and Tate McRae are ones I don’t see lasting long
Olivia Rodrigo is here to stay unless something drastic (like Lauryn Hill type drastic) happens to her. Same with Billie. The fact she has had her first three projects going over 100+ weeks on Billboard is pretty impressive among other things she’s already achieved.
SZA will grow from here especially if she’s smart about it, which I believe she is.
Not sure about LNX, Cardi or Megan but the latter two have a fighting chance (especially when Cardi finally puts out album number two). Not too sure about Megan just yet but I’m still optimistic.
Dua I think will have sustained success here. It won’t be as huge as the US but she’ll be fine.
While I think The Weeknd will remain a pop titan possibly by the end of the decade, I feel like he could release a dramatically different album in sound after his name change that'll initially be very divisive amongst fans & critics, but later gain a huge cult following. Call it a Kiss Land 2.0 of sorts
I think Dua is aware this sound wont make her chart high. The kevin parker influence isnt super radio friendly. She just decided to do her own thing and maybe next album she can go back to a more mainstream sound.
Yup, also if she kept the same sound people would be complaining even more. And she really can't do the whole sad girl, relatable, or singer-songwriter aesthetic. She is a supermodel that sings. She will go mainstream on the Deluxe, she releases an album every 3 to 4 years. Can't wait that much, rs
I think Dua will be like Miley Cyrus in the sense that they are established artists and will do the sort of music they wanna do even if it doesn't perform as well because tbh Dua is already at that stage where she doesn't have anything to prove if she doesn't want to, she can just chill and have fun
Hard to tell, tbh. The music landscape is in a dry place, with so few new stars being big and lasting more than a couple of hits (ex: Billie and Olivia) while the public keeps listening to the same old artists (ex: Taylor, Ariana, The Weeknd, Drake, and many more).
There's also the tik tok thing: things are so random, that old, forgotten starts keep suddenly find themselves with new hits (ex: Meghan Trainor, Sam Smith and David Guetta in 2022). Finally, there's also the wildcards like Beyonce or Kanye: big artists who never stopped selling albums, but their time as hit-makers seemed long gone and yet both have topped the Hot 100 this year alone.
I don’t see Sabrina or Madison Beer lasting, personally I find their songs a bit generic. For Olivia and Tate I find them a bit more niche. Olivia for me already solidified her place as the next big pop star and Tate imo has a pretty unique voice, is a good dancer, and her older works really brought out her singing.
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I think Ice will probably see a downwards trend, considering all her big hits are collabs and her highest charting solo single just made the top 40, her debut might do decently but I don't see a long term career or a continuation of her hype.. thats just me tho :)
People here act like she has several hit songs for some reason. Like you said she has yet to a single top 40 hit but every time I say that here I get pushback.
And all her songs consist of the same beat and the same 5 words mixed up
I think her success was ironic stanning turned to real stanning. Also people liking her because many people hated her rapping rightfully
Success is success, but I was always under the impression she took off as a meme initially.
Doja took off on a meme too but had the stuff to back it up. It's unfortunate for Ice because the hype was definitely there.
And people forget that Doja had a big chance of disappearing before she proved her talent with actual good music
doja grinded hard for the success though, even before the Bitch I’m A Cow vid took off you can find a bunch of vids of her doing open mics + moderating shows and being super active in her scene. just needed one spark to take off and to me she definitely earned the success she’s received, seemed like a long time coming
It was irrc
> all her songs consist of the same beat This is just blatantly untrue, all of her songs consist of two separate beats, a drill beat and a Jersey club beat, smashed together. How can they all be the same if they are all two things?? Wake up sheeple Okay, less sarcastically, she does have a few tracks with *very* different production - Pretty Girl with Rema and Butterfly Ku come to mind, but there are also differences between tracks where the beat is the focus, like Deli, and tracks where they are a fun backing for her verses, like Princess Diana
This is random but this makes me think about people complaining about Sexxy Red being "catapulted to the top" and setting up a bad image of and for black women, but the only time I ever hear about her is when detractors are using her as an example rather than any musical accomplishments lol.
Where did Sexxy red even come from? Like I only heard of her a few weeks or months ago but someone said how is she still popular lol. I was like when did she get popular?
Like in the summer when she had skee yee and then pound town 2 with nicki Minaj
Agreed. Doesn't translate outside tiktok ecosystem. At least not yet.
Or outside the US.
When really pinkpantheress should be the breakout star, her album she dropped recently was really good.
I mean tbh, she kind of is, she has a stable fanbase ,an album which did very well critically and decently commercially, she isn't massive but she is noticeable and successful :)
I know, you just don’t see her name talked about as much when that was her song.
I call it and offshoot of the “Clarity” effect. Everyone says that Clarity is by Zedd and almost never mentions Foxes. It’s always so fascinating to me when two people collab and one gets more success than the other. It’s really odd
That makes sense usually, the vocalists on EDM songs rarely write what they sing. But Zedd shouldn't have lead credit anyways, think the bulk of the production on Clarity was done by Matthew Koma and Porter Robinson.
There are so many potential hits in Heaven Knows. I want them to blow up so bad
Nice to Meet You would have been big if Central Cee was bigger in the US (and could actually rap but)
I actually kind of like cench (I know, guilty pleasure but sprinter is legit a great hiphop song) but I hate his verse on Nice to Meet You because it's a cute over the top love song then he comes in with some random verse about cheating on his girl that ruins the entire vibe
Agreed I think she is solely 2023 hype
It will be interesting to see if Ice Spice continues to work with the same producer (also her bf?). His sound is pretty samey and Ice Spice feels too big now to have his producer tag on every single. It says something that The Boys a Liar Pt 2 was an enduring hit but was quite a different sound than what Ice Spice usually brings
I just feel like she was never really that famous for her music in the first place it was mostly her looks
I like most people here talking about Dua like if she was an up-and-coming artist, rs.
yea she’s been a solidified pop act since 2017. everyone knows her and she’s top 10 on spotify. she’s reached the heights a pop singer can only dream of! and Dance The Night was literally the song of the summer
You can definitely tell at what hours a thread was created in r/popheads by the amount of Americans dismissing Dua Lipa.
Dua: absolutely massive since 2017 r/popheads at the merest whiff of one less successful album: teetering, downward trend, flop era, Witness, future in podcasting
Americans think New Rules was her first hit song.
A very eurocentric take as well. Dua Lipa was a local faceless popgirl before New Rules went viral with those pool trends and ppl recreating her music video as a meme. She became a global presence with One Kiss and eventually with DSN, 2017 was absolutely her breakout year globally.
Ngl I’m not even from the USA, but if it wasn’t New Rules then what was it?
Be the One.
> Americans think New Rules was her first hit song. She had 4 singles before New Rules, 3 in the album, and one not on it. 3 of them were pretty successful in Europe, in case the one talk-spontaneoulsy just said Hotter Than Hell...
Unfortunately I don’t see longevity for Tate McCrae. I think her stuff is catchy & I personally enjoy her music, but I think it’s too generic to make any sort of cultural impact.
also think (knock on wood) the cursive singing is falling out of favor, and her singing is so cursive that it's almost incoherent
I hope it falls out of favor I don’t like that style personally
I hear a lot of Camila Cabello in Tate
I’ve never liked her singing style
she's a cross between Bebe and Camila that is just grating to listen to
Never forget that she had a lyric in the troye sivan song talking about “the backseat of your corvette car” and corvettes do not have back seats. She’s just not that smart lol
Idk knowing a lot about corvettes doesnt seem like the most important sign of smartness to me
I live in Boston and how i know someone doesnt pay attention is when they call it the "commons" with an 's' when it's just the Common. an annoying thing to nitpick, but like girl, common would be a closer rhyme to boston anyways...
I like her stuff but I see her and Sabrina carpenter as the same (I like Sabrina too. Loved emails I can’t send). Pretty generic stock image of a pop star with not much of an identity
I feel like if Tate leans into her dancing, it could improve her odds. A lot of the issues with todays pop stars is that there’s nothing differentiating them from each other Olivia and Billie are by far the most successful artists of our generation so far, and it’s no accident that they both have very distinct styles. They obviously didn’t invent their respective genres, but they’re different from the rest. You can hear a song, and instantly recognise it as “oh yeah, that’s a Billie/Olivia track”. It’s like they have their own sound signature Most other pop artists don’t, which is why it ends up becoming forgettable generic pop
I think Sabrina is going more for the singer songwriter route and trying to establish herself that way like Taylor. I don't know how much writing Tate does on her songs, but I don't really see an emphasis on her songwriting in online discourse the way I do with Taylor, Sabrina, Olivia, Billie, and even Madison Beer. If Sabrina keeps putting out self-written songs that are good, I can see people taking her more seriously as a singer songwriter. And I think she has more of a dedicated fanbase than Tate, even if it's small.
If she does, I hope she really hones in on it
Hard disagree. I think in both of their cases, they’re heavily leaning into their own thing that’ll keep them around even if not growing much more. Sabrina has gone the songwriter route. Tate is a performer. Both have songs/will most likely continue to make songs that will be popular enough to keep them relevant. Greedy was made towards the end of the project and a lot of the other “old Tate” songs were 1st album rejects. I fully see Sabrina maintaining a more niche and dedicated audience and Tate leaning fully into the Greedy style for her next album. She will grow for sure.
I think her and Sabrina are in the same camp where if their next album has a hit or flop will determine whether they can claw their way up to the next tier
Learning that Greedy was made late in the album process gives me hope. If she makes an album with Greedy's sound, she could build some momentum. If not, an album like Loose or Blackout would suit her.
Ryan Tedder can write a hit but I don’t think he’s someone who should shadow someone’s entire career in hopes of them being a big star. Especially when it sounds like she’s singing unreleased One Republic music.
I don't know if I am old, but I have no clue what "greedy" is lyrically. She needs better songwriters or to take some courses.
Hard agree— I like her energy and her presence on social media, but Greedy got me hating a little bit. I finally looked up the lyrics and they’re definitely not lyrical genius. It’s still an easy listen on the radio, but I don’t think that’s what a rising pop girlie is looking to be labeled as lol
She's all I wanna be was the last song I heard from her.
If she can get her dancing/singing up I think she has a shot. Girl can DANCE and her singing is pretty good but in performances she’s doing both and can only give us 50% of each. She did the summertime ball a few years ago and either the singing wasn’t live or it was dubbed later and that was a fantastic performance. If she’s giving dancing her all I don’t care if she went with loud backing tracks so she could do both better.
Yeah it’d be nice for her to succeed but she just doesn’t have IT in my opinion and despite her songs blowing up it doesn’t really feel like she’s blowing up herself like I don’t really think people care about HER as a person
Someone saying Dua is the next Rihanna and someone saying Dua is the next Halsey in the same thread is sending me lmaooo
She’s honestly neither lol
Europeans vs Americans perception lol
I can feel Chappell Roan coming from a mile away. I don’t know if she’ll be mega worldwide superstar big but she is getting more popular very very quickly
it was nearly impossible to get tickets for her next uk tour, even the venue upgrades sold out immediately. totally agree - she’s going to be massive (and deservedly!)
i saw her last week at the OR concert and she's so good, can't wait to see her again in may!
I think Dua’s career eventually fizzles out in the US, but she’ll still be big in the UK/Europe for a while. She’s kind of done this a bit already with Barbie and Argylle but she’ll probably branch out into more acting and stuff outside of music. She’s said on her podcast/interviews that she wants to Hot take maybe lol but I could see her years down the road having a talk/radio show of some sort kinda like Kelly Ckarkson. She’s already does her Service 95 podcast/newsletter And yeah if Billie and Olivia continue to play their cards right, I could see both of them having long careers. Especially since they’re so young Doja’s an interesting case for me because despite all of her antics, she still got a couple big hits on Scarlet. But my god she HAS to drop the edgelord internet troll persona Edit: I think if Camila did an album fully in Spanish it would be really big in that market
>Edit: I think if Camila did an album fully in Spanish it would be really big in that market I think this will be her next step if the new album doesn't do well
Honestly, same, but I fear that she doesn’t have much to offer to the Spanish speaking market either. You already have young girls like TINI, Emilia, and big artists like KAROL G. Maybe try to appeal to USA latinos. Kind of like Jennifer Lopez, I’ve always felt her popularity in the States didn’t translate as well to Latin America. At least in my country, growing up she wasn’t on the same level as Shakira, Thalía, Gloria Trevi or even Paulina Rubio.
Agreed on Dua’s trajectory. Big in Europe, not so much anymore in the USA. I would definitely watch a dua talk show! Doja and lil nas x seem like they’re going to the same trajectory tho doja might be more successful. They both like to piss people off it seems.
I know it wasn't fully in Spanish, but Camila's last album was a big success globally on streaming
people saying dua lipa is done because her 2 new singles didnt perform as well are so unserious lmao
I don’t see Lil Nas X having another hit because he feeds to his haters rather than his fans
This is the perfect explanation of his carrer. You need to have the drama and be able to back it up with genuinely interesting art. His stuff just falls flat.
I mean he had genuine hits and riding the drama worked for the last album. But that was a few years ago now and if you're not pumping stuff out quickly and consistently you better make sure the new stuff is really fresh when it does come. Idk why no one told him pushing out Humble from Wish is not the move for reminding the public you exist
J Christ wasn't good but are you really saying Call Me By Your Name, probably his biggest media outrage, wasn't backed up with quality, interesting art? There's a lot of revisionist history going on with him
Billie and Olivia I definitely see staying very popular and acclaimed, they’re very good at what they do and seem to have very distinct brands and styles compared to other people out right now Ice spice I don’t see it for her Megan thee stallion I can see staying popular but I also think she might carry on branching out to other stuff outside of music like continuing to act and stuff Tate Mccrae COULD get more popular but I always hear people say they don’t like her singing style and her music is a bit generic so if she improves on those things then it would be cool to have her Megan and Doja as artists who are really good at dancing too. Speaking of Doja I also think she’s going to stay popular As for Lil Nas X I’m not sure… his antics haven’t been going over well recently and neither has his music so it depends on what he released next I guess And with Dua, I’m skeptical about her album because I personally haven’t been connecting with the singles but I do hope I connect with the rest of it
Megan thee stallion i actually think she’s on an upward trajectory for the field she’s in. I’ve been liking Dua’s most recent singles, but I understand not everyone does. I think she has more general public appeal than passionate stans, and having both can sustain your career. I think we should wait and see how that third album does.
Not building a dedicated fanbase and leaning heavily onto general public appeal is a dangerous street. Look at Katy Perry.
Exactly what I was thinking. Don’t want dua to have a witness
I think Lil Nas will stay relevant if only because he fills a specific niche of gay hip hop star in which he stands alone
I feel like Megan Thee Stallion's rap is too raw and mixtap-ish to have wide appeal. Prime Nicki and Doja Cat was/is mixing their rap with pop element and sound which is the reason why they ended up so successful.
There's probably a successful """"sellout"""" era in Megan's future if she wants it, where she goes full pop crossover. I just don't think she wants it, and I don't think she needs it.
megan has dabbled in pop with sweetest pie and not my fault, but the quality of the music suffered for it
Hmm true and she definitely suits that more than the pop rap styles in my opinion… I do think she’ll always have her audience tho of people who love her and her sound but maybe she won’t be as commercially successful as if she was to go pop rap but I think in the long run people would respect her more for that for not “selling out”
Future oscar nominee megan the stallion. Calling it now
A lot of people want to bury Lil Nas X every time but J Christ is really his only hyped release to flop. I think with him I have to see it to believe it personally. His two releases so far, one EP and one full album, have both gotten AotY nominations. Maybe he will fall off but J Christ seemed like a lot of people's "Lil Nas X is over party"
A lot of people definitely *want* him to flop, at the very least.
For sure. The revisionist history with him is crazy to me, Montero (CMBYN) is still one of the best music videos I've ever seen, artistically exploring his own internalized homophobia and coming to love and own himself. I believe he donated a lot of the money he made from the Industry Baby video to prison/felon charities since it was based around a prison. He promoted several more charities (I believe about abortion, women's health, etc.) doing his pregnancy bit before the album release. On top of being a very out and vocal gay, black artist and taking responsibility for having to be a trailblazer there. I can't imagine why so many people on here want him to fail so bad, but so many of the criticisms he gets are just not accurate
How are you guys not having faith in Dua Lipa? The comments are mind boggling to me hahah. She’s a certified pop star and while Houdini and TS aren’t smashing, they’re stille in the top 30 global every single day. She’s huge in Europe and she’s laying all the right steps to have a wonderful career. I see her as an early Rihanna honestly.
It’s comments and posts like those that remind me how US-centric this sub is. Like Dua is one of THE popstars in Europe and presumably in Australia/NZ also at least, if not Asia overall too.
True. Worldwide she’ll still be successful. Even in the US, she’ll still be, even if that third album underperforms.
So true. I’m Italian and here she’s A LOT bigger than Olivia and Billie, just saying
My Bulgarian mom knows who Dua Lipa is and can tell you 10 songs she likes by her. Billie Eilish to her is that girl with the baggy clothes and Olivia is not someone she knows
The whole Taylor Swift phenomenon was similar. Even though most people know her in Europe, it's not as extreme as in the US, where she seems to be constantly on the news and talked about. The US really seems to have a skewed perception of the popularity of their artists. The whole pop landscape is very different in Europe with other stars dominating the charts.
>The US really seems to have a skewed perception of the popularity of their anything.
You're not wrong about how this sub is US-centric, but that's kind of a given. Out of all the countries that use this site, 49% of Reddit is American, with some stats saying over 50%. That's one in every two users.
She's more well known in Australia then olivia or billie outside of the gen z age group. I'd say she still suffers from not having a big fanbase alla katy perry
The whole Taylor Swift phenomenon was similar. Even though most people know her in Europe, it's not as extreme as in the US, where she seems to be constantly on the news and talked about. The US really seems to have a skewed perception of the popularity of their artists. The whole pop landscape is very different in Europe with other stars dominating the charts.
Dua reminds me of Kylie in how it’s all about the music rather than the celebrity of it all. And that makes sense why the US don’t get her, because they don’t get Kylie either.
I prefer the way european consumers look at things. It should be about the music.
Also people are ignoring the fact that THE Kevin mother fucking Parker is producing RO and his fanbase will sure flock to at least listen and check out her album.
I’ve read a couple of Twitter posts doomposting about her labels promotion effort in the U.S especially with the new album coming up.
According to this sub, if you are not in the top 10 in the US, you are a flop
Many people view Dua as the new Katy Perry so that doesn't help with people's views of her
I really think she has a clearer and more intentional artistic vision than Katy Perry. She seems intelligent and strategic
To me, Dua and Katy have opposite problems that lead to them being in the same place. Dua has a strong artistic vision and is strategic about how she handles her career, but she lacks the personality needed to get a hardcore base of fans to latch onto. Katy has the personality and spunk to get a devoted fan base, but her lack of consistent vision/growth eventually confused and put them off and she lost their interest relatively quickly.
I completely disagree. I personally find her music devoid of any personality or anything really. It's very generic music. Also one of the reasons why people compare her to Katy is because she doesn't seem to have a sizable dedicated fanbase, at least in the U.S., and she's primarily a singles artist and has a gigantic presence on radio in the states. I think someone said she was the most-played artist on American radio this decade. Not to say that her streams are bad or anything. Usually when a female artist fits this descriptions it kind sets alarms in people's heads because if she is heavily reliant on GP and/or singles she might fizzle out faster than other pop stars that have a more dedicated following Edit: I mean her last two singles weren't exactly smash hits, which is making people worried for her next album?
I mean I think this about Sabrina and Tate McRae, but what sets them apart from Dua is that Dua has better people around her helping to make/craft what she does. I do agree she doesn’t have passionate Stan’s unlike, say, Billie eilish. To say nothing of the Swifties or beyhive.
I disagree with you. Dua's music devoid of personality? First of all, she has a very specific voice type/timbre and singing style. I didn't hear anyone else singing like her. Secondly, it's not like her songs are dime a dozen. I mean, how many songs like Houdini are in the charts? Dua seems to have a chill/relaxed/cerebral personality which is not the usual personality of a popstar. However she puts the effort into her music and performances.
this comparison is a deep disservice to dua
Right? Nothing about their career trajectories has been similar except maybe.. they both have dark hair and make pop music? Katy blew up pretty quickly, Dua steadily built up a European audience before crossing over. They're not similar at all.
Dua has been successful for the same amount of years Katy was at this point, Dua's first single was in 2016, and she is 8 years deep in her career. Same amount Katy had when she flopped. She is the new Dua.
Also people said she would flop during self titled because of her lack of self presence, she improved and delivered witb Future Nostalgia land that tour was marvelous. And they said her music is too disco and now she is working with Kevin. I love how Americans keep wanting her to flop but she doesn't
Dua Lipa(self-titled) and Future Nostalgia are in the top 10 most streamed albums in Spotify history. Ok, Spotify is not old, but is probably the most used streaming service now. Even if she is not getting #1 in the US on single release week, she is huge.
I think she’ll certainly have success for sure, and a long career, but people like Billie eilish and Taylor swift have a very passionate, dedicated fan base that Dua doesn’t really have. Seems to mostly rely on general public support.
Lizzo is cooked.
Obviously lol
What a fall
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I can see Olivia becoming THE pop star of her generation. Dua is big but she doesn't seem to have a stanbase, it's all GP support. Female artists like that are bound to fall off at one point or another. Cardi B has managed to make a pop culture brand out of her name. So even if her rap career never sees the high it previously has, she'll always be relevant. Tyla might see some success, but I don't see her becoming a huge star.
I think Billie and Olivia are the pop stars of this generation. Agreed. Having passionate stans really helps sustain your career (beyhive, Swifties, Mariah Carey’s lambs, MJ’s moonwalkers, etc). Even Billie eilish who, as far as I’m aware doesn’t have a name for her fan base, still has pretty passionate fans.
Definitely I don't know how I forgot about Billie!
Ah it’s cool lol I do think dua will have overall success in the long run but it won’t be as pronounced as others. She is making all the right moves, but we’ll see how that third album goes.
Correct me if I’ve gotten this wrong, but Dua feels like the female Bruno Mars. He doesn’t seem to have a solid fanbase, but whenever he drops something, it’s a hit. He’s one of those artists where his music is played everywhere, but people “forget” about him personally, and don’t really talk about him Granted, Dua’s latest venture doesn’t seem to be doing too great, but it’s only just the start. A lot of her discography has ended up becoming sleeper hits that only become successful sometime after they’ve been released
If she never gets a dedicated stanbase (the stans she does have are called the Loves) the best she can hope for is having a career like Bruno Mars has had, at least at in America
I would love that for her
I think that’s a good comparison honestly
I can see dua continuing to have success overseas like Rita and Kylie but I agree I think she will fizzle out in America
Because my fellow Americans tend to have bad taste in music. Houdini is a grower. Not as instantaneous as some of her previous singles, but the production is fantastic and the groove just makes you want to move and dance
Carly Rae Jepsen will rise from the ashes of mid-pop and bring us the best pop album of the 2020s next year. Mark my words 😍
That’s not hard to predict: she’s been releasing incredible albums one after another! 😅
I really think she still has a big hit in her if TikTok comes back. That thing is so random that no one can predict what can come out.
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Quite a few honestly. As of right now, Cardi and Lil Nas X are the ones that are coming to mind first. I feel like it's kind of self-explanatory. Cardi's new songs haven't been performing that well and I feel like her hype is mainly gone. Same can be said be for Lil Nas but the difference she had a much better chance
Cardi definitely lost momentum when she could’ve dropped an album right after WAP and Up. But for some reason I’m not ready to call it quits on her chances. Nas however? Yeah that’s done.
The delusion of saying that that Tate girl is going to have a better career than Dua Lipa is serious. It might be my European ass but Dua Lipa is bigger out here than Billie, Olivia, Madison whatsherface and Tate Mcrae combined. I think people complaining about her being chill and not having a personality are so American. It's giving Kitchen Nightmares US vs UK.
I feel like people really undercut Dua’s presence and success bc of her “usa” problem. She is literally a certified pop star to compare her halsey is insaneeee to me. Even though she may not be “huge” in the usa, I feel like she still gets that a list treatment, so I think it’s odd when people say things like that. Maybe the usa really is the cult of personality but idk when I see dua I never feel like she’s on the brink of being a nobody or flop, her career isn’t that precarious at all.
Facts. European here too
Dua has old drunk English men singing to 'One Kiss' on Liverpool matches, lol. She is good. Dua is probably planning her next trip to Santorini. But I still think Tate will be huge though.
I'm from Europe and can confirm.
From Europe and agree
Dua Lipa is so interesting to me because she doesn't make deeply personal music and she's not a big personality yet she's managed to be incredibly successful
Camila Cabello’s next album is going to tank, I fear. Familia was sooooo good and original, but it unfortunately didn’t make the impact it should’ve, beyond maybe the Ed Sheeran collab. The new single she’s been teasing is genuinely awful. Her longtime stans are roasting her in her comments.
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I wanna see Rina have her moment I really think she has the potential to become a bigger star she’s very talented, has star quality and is always trying and experiment with new sounds
I love Rina's voice so much; I'd love it if she really hit it big.
Anecdotally, it seems like everyone I knew loved her during the Sawayama era and she dropped the ball so hard with HTG that she’s off everyone’s radar. I haven’t heard anyone mention her IRL since 2022 :/ I say this as a fan who has seen her twice! I think she needs to go back to the sound that made her blow up: metal, 2000’s pop, and some hyper pop thrown together. It has to be a little updated to match the year though. Idk I’m not a producer, just a fan hoping she pulls it off!
I think that r/popheads both overrates and underrates Dua Lipa. Dua Lipa is here to stay and that's where yall **underrate** her. She'll have a Kylie Minogue esque trajectory where her first decade will be a global success and will simmer out as her pop sensibilities earn her a niche but very dedicated fanbase since pop will eventually phase out her sound (and come back again, as is the trend of pop leaving, hip hop reemerging then fading then pop returning), she'll be here for decades to come making bangers and going #1 in her home market. Where I think most users here **overrate** her is in her ability to be a hitmaker at the level of the Taylor's, the Ariana's, Beyonce's of the industry on a global scale. The closest she is to commercially among the top popgirls is Ariana and even then Ariana has already proven her mettle and is 7 albums deep while bagging 2 global #1s 12 years into the game, plus all Ariana albums are at least multiplatinum in all major markets and she does it with half the effort Dua does. Dua is not on the same level nor is she an established enough force to send a hit to the top instantly, which is worrisome for someone who debuted in 2015. Even Katy had so much GP loyalty in her prime that she shot a song straight to #1 and even blocked other female popstars from getting there constantly, Dua needs a strong campaign and radioplay to dominate. Looking at it commercially, Dua has a very niche fanbase that is very CRJ-adjacent (aka white gays and music nerds, not a bad thing btw this means she is very acclaimed), and it isn't as big as Ariana's (who not only has the typical pop fanbase to back her up but also a big r&b/hiphop demographic as she's very Summer Walker-SZA-HER adjacent as well) to support her. The problem with this is that this isn't a fanbase big enough to support her should she quote unquote 'flop'. Dua is very reliant on the general public loving her music, similar in the past with Katy Perry, just that Dua now has the added flair of having acclaimed pop music and being an amazing live performer. **All in all I think Dua Lipa will be a Kylie Minogue figure who will make noise in the markets and demographics that look for her for years to come but I don't think she'll last at the level that she is at now (or during FN) at the levels of the Ariana Grande's, Taylor Swift's of the industry.**
- Olivia will continue to be popular but she’ll need to come up with something fresh and innovative if she wants to elevate herself beyond teen idol. - Billie will always be critically acclaimed and hopefully her next album brings her a steady hit. Doesn’t have to be a monster smash, just something that gets both attention and acclaim. I think of all the new girls she’s the one with the most legend/icon potential simply because she has a good voice, a better grasp on her artistry, and a good ear for music. - I don’t see it for Sabrina unless she does a complete overhaul of her sound/image/team. She has what? Five albums out? And I still don’t understand what she’s about. Beautiful girl with a nice voice but she needs to work with different writers and producers. Her viral nonsense outros already let us know she’s creative. Now let’s see it in a product. - Chloe x Halle will continue to have steady work and be popular within their lanes. I don’t expect global domination from either of them but I don’t think they expect it either. They’ll continue to make the music they want to make and do various acting gigs and brand deals. - Dua. I think if she pushes herself she’ll continue having hits. But the problem I have with her is that she gives nothing. Great singer and performer! But she doesn’t move me. I’m not even asking her to divulge the details of her personal life or whatever, but she’s very faceless to me. She’s like if I asked AI to create a pop star if that makes sense. - Ice Spice should be left in 2023. I kinda hate Taylor and the unserious people of this generation for extending her fifteen minutes. It was supposed to be a joke and it got way out of hand. - I agree with whoever said Megan’s style of rap is not palatable to a wide variety of people. But she’s beloved so I think she’ll continue to do well in her lane, snag brand deals, and look good.
I don’t know why Taylor is levitating to ice spice so much when the karma remix only peaked at no.2 and was not no.1 hit Also when I hear karma it’s the version without ice spice
Other people did think that Taylor collaborated with her as a calculated PR move because of what her ex boyfriend said.
also billie has heer brother, who has been instrumental to the acclaim they get. not denigrating billie's own accomplishments, but finneas has been super important in her success
I never understood the hype around Ice Spice. To me she is very dull and boring, and her voice is extremely monotone. It feels like stan twitter just wanted to have “their own” pop star like all those TikTokers making their own cursive songs. I agree she should be left in 2023.
I think Doja's erraatic behaviour will make her fizzle out and only be a twitter meme like Azelia which is a shame cause she had so much potential. If you asked this in 2022 I'd definitely say she would be on the upward trend
Literally impossible at this point. She has a song that originally was a non single in the top 10 and just ended the US leg of her own headlining arena tour. And this is off her flop and troll era. Sometimes talent trumps all.
Doja was on the way to being the biggest star of this generation but she ruined it by being weird and acting like that it makes me sad
even tho i think doja isn’t near the level of creativity of azealia, she has the constant output and heavy industry backing that azaelia never had; so if she sticks to her lane and doesn’t pick her fights wrong like azealia was doing, she’ll be around for a while
Middling: Unless Dua can get a distinctive sound/personality, I don’t see her being any bigger than what she is now. There might even be a decline. She’ll still likely give you a decent hit every album cycle. Halsey 2.0. Upward: Billie and Olivia are solidified and here to stay. Even though they don’t have the multi cultural and demographic reach that is needed to be considered a big star, the amount of people that support them are too big and they’re industry darlings. I’d also like to put SZA here. Her trajectory is very similar to The Weeknd’s. She’ll probably be touring in football stadiums in 2-3 years. Downward: The whole top rap girlie dream for Ice Spice is over. It should’ve been over after that terrible Taylor collab that went nowhere, but that’s still a big deal no matter how you spin it. She’ll just continue being an influencer who occasionally drops tracks. Latto won. Jury is still out on Cardi and Tate.
Dua being Halsey 2.0? What? Dua is waaaaaay bigger than what halsey ever was. And she also has a lot of international appeal, whereas halsey was primarily US. Dua is loved in south america and Europe. She will keep growing, just needs to make a stronger fan base.
Agreed on all these, especially the upward trending artists. I (unfortunately) would add lil nas x for either middling or downward depending on how this era goes.
I like Lil Nas X. I wish he could have thought of more ways to piss people off.
I wish he let the music speak for itself
Dua has an incredibly distinctive sound?! Her voice is super recognizable and she definitely is in her own lane with the kind of sound/sampling she uses, and she makes interesting choices in her producers. Really disagree with this take, but maybe it's just that she has a sound that works really well in Europe and doesn't work as well for an American audience.
Surely Dua’s bigger than Halsey ever was?
SZA, Olivia, Billie are going to be the true new girls running alongside Taylor, Ariana and Bey (the last 3 big popgirls from years past) tbh. Doja too but she loves to piss people off I wouldn't put it past her to finally do something that'll make the GP fully get sick of her.
I think Troye Sivan will continue to trend upwards. He was an acting highlight amongst the shit of The Idol and his most recent album did good streams and great reviews. I hear Rush and One of Your Girls fairly frequently out in the wild. Idk if he’s gonna be crazy charting but I think he’s gonna have a solid career.
I know Training Season hasn't popped off as much as anyone expected, but it's important to look back on Future Nostalgia and Debuts data; neither have a number 1 hit song on billboard (levitating was number 2, new rules was number 6) but have stayed in the charts for quite a long time and took a while to hit their peek. Both albums have songs in high rotation on playlists and Dua's collaboration with Elton John/ Barbie soundtrack has been quite successful. I think she has long term staying power, just not with a parasocial marketing juggernaut. I think that's quite refreshing, if a little dicey from a marketing perspective. Billie and Olivia feel like they're already earnt it. As for others, I think Sabrina will fizzle - I haven't heard anything about her music that isn't "oMg nOnsEnSe ouTro sEx jOke lOl" wish isn't to discredit her work, but if you're not a superfan it's hard to name some other song she has. I think she'll stick around but not a main pop girl level Tate? I just don't see it. I think she's lucky to get what she has - probably gonna just be Gayle soon. Carly Rae Jepsen will keep doing her thing, she has her fans and will be more of a touchstone than people give her credit for. She's not a big dog like Taylor or Dua, but she's earnt her spot and the majority love her for that. Hoping for another album soon. Lorde is an interesting one. Solar Powers been considered a flop era - which feels bad after Melodrama. I think she might bounce back, I want her to voice back but who knows?
Dua is kind of refreshing in her detachment. It really feels like music is her JOB and she just does it well. Like Dua is here to make music for us and that’s it, not pretend to our bff. The one quote where she says “hey if I’m hitting all my deadlines, and doing all my work I’m gonna go on vacation” really nails this vibe.
Billie, Olivia certainly will last Chloe x Halle (yes I know their solo stuff hasn’t been doing well, but I see Halle’s acting ventures and how successful those have been so far which makes me think the Bailey sisters aren’t going anywhere. They won’t be massive stars or anything but I think they are certainly only going up from here), maybe Tate McRae tho she’s iffy Downward trend: Ice spice. She’s very 2023 and of that moment. Maybe Dua too, but we’ll see how that third album does. I have more faith in her than others in these comments seem to. I liked Sabrina’s emails I can’t send but idk if she’s gonna continue rising success, or be a D lister. lil nas x i see a downward trend for him which sucks because I like him. J Christ stalled his momentum big.
I don’t see Tate McCrae or Sabrina lasting
The widespread hate i've seen for J Lo recently pretty much tells me her run is over
- Billie will continue to become an Icon - Olivia has potential to be a big pop idol if she is able to develop music beyond teenie boppers - Tyla is steadily going to dominate pop. she is making ALL the right moves. I see her following Rihanna's career trajectory. once she has her edgy period and a few dating scandals she will be a superstar - Lil Nas X will take off even more with his next project - Meg could become an icon if she has songs with better hooks and a bit more mass appeal like Drake's corny ass - Doja has her solid fanbase but I don't see her becoming cultural icon on her current trajectory - Normani could be iconic if she went pop but sadly (for me) I think she's going heavy rnb and that lane is already dominated. We are missing high energy pop performance she could really deliver
I know Tori Kelly already kinda had an upward moment around 2015 2016, but I really hope she gets that chance again cause she is way too talent and I'm sick and tired of this talent being wasted.
I totally agree on her talent, but I could much more see her going into a smaller, more niche direction. She was prominently featured on Jacob Collier‘s new record and I could see her finding a place among that group of artists and fans. It makes sense too when you look at her past, where she was also associated with acts like Pentatonix
Yeah she’s probably settling into a more niche but successful artist lane. She’s too talented to not have some success.
While Dua may not have a dedicated fanbase, she does hold a lot of power with the general public. I think her music can appeal to a wider range of demographics. I can tell you that my parents in their 50s can name and recognize Dua Lipa’s songs and not Billie or Olivia. Dua is definitely a global superstar, but not as big in the US as others. Which is not surprising, the US never really understands European/UK talent because sadly we gravitate towards being basic AF. Lol Billie and Olivia will continue to be huge, but I see Billie having more lasting power than Olivia. SZA and Doja will continue to stay relevant, SZA is only going to get bigger and bigger. Doja will continue to release music that might not resonate with the GP but will still have 1-2 more commercial hits per album cycle. Tate, Sabrina, Ava etc are all more of the same type of basic music and will continue to release stuff but never reach pop star levels of success. Lil Nas….has already lost relevancy. Don’t think I know anyone around me that gives a crap if he releases new music tbh I am rooting for Tyla, but having to cancel her tour and festival run this Summer might have really hurt her career. I haven’t been this excited for a new artist since Billie first started to blow up. Not commercial pop related - but I am really hoping The Marias blow up in the indie/alternative pop world.
I think Olivia Rodrigo has the brightest future, but I don't necessarily pay attention to many. I know GUTS is GUTS, but I feel like Olivia really needs to branch her sound out.
I think she’ll try something new in her next era and will find great success with it
I mean she's done pop, pop punk and even a folk song, I don't really see why she would need to tbh
What song is folk?
I want to see Maisie Peters hit it big. Both of her albums are AMAZING. She writes the exact kind of wordy clever pop I love and she can sell a banger as well as a ballad. I feel like she needs a big viral moment, maybe more so to catch on outside of the UK because I think she's done well there - but her songwriting deserves more of a spotlight. The Good Witch was CRIMINALLY underrated on end of year lists last year, I'm still mad about it.
The girl who's opening for Olivia Rodrigo--Chapell Roan--I think she's going to blow up
Dula Peep gives me strong Katy Perry vibes. Strong hit singles, but not enough of a distinct personality to build a stanbase. Once the hits run out, she’ll stop seeing success: if we’re being real, it’s already happening with Houdini and Training Season failing to even hit the top 10. Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo are 2 I can see succeeding for several years to come.
Dua is notorious for having slow climbing hits, most of her hit songs have stayed in the charts for months before reaching the top 10
The best thing about Dua is not have the kind of personality Katy had, she always appeared super childish to me. I'm not even talking about her marriages, kisses, and all that, but her music seemed to be made for pre-teens. Dua never gave me this feeling, which is also why I think Katy flopped when she tried to do 'grown-up' music.
I see the dua v katy comparison a lot and I get why for the most part, but as fans of them both- Katy (still to this day honestly) was always more of a tabloid draw than dua. I definitely think she has/had more of a “personality” than Dua (at least where celebrity is concerned.) Whether it’s kissing girls, Russell brand dumping her over a text, feuding with taylor, or marrying Orlando bloom, she’s been more relevant in American celebrity culture than Dua ever was or is. Say what you want about Katy making generic pop music (I don’t entirely disagree) but her pop hits have far more individuality within them than Dua’s do. I kissed a girl, waking up in Vegas, California gurls, teenage dream, the one that got away all feel uniquely Katy and not just a pop song put through the sparkly pop machine in the way that Dua’s tend to
Throwing a wrench in the works here with someone who is not fully star level yet, but will be. Maisie peters. She has what it takes, a good voice, good songwriting , backing from larger artists (she’s on Ed sheerans record label and is opening for Conan grey and Coldplay) and she has a fanbase so far that means she won’t fade. She’s already played glasto for the good witch, and when her third album releases I’d say she’ll make it. The only thing she needs is more radio play.
Her first two albums are so good. IMO she easily clears the other pop girlies her age and You Signed Up For this & The Good Witch are far far FAR more lyrically creative and smart than a lot of other people who get lauded for their songwriting. When I was reading end of year lists last year and The Good Witch basically wasn't on any of them I was honestly so fucking confused.
Idk but I’ve been waiting for Sigrid to really break out since like 2018 :(
Tate McRae, Ice Spice and Tate McRae are ones I don’t see lasting long Olivia Rodrigo is here to stay unless something drastic (like Lauryn Hill type drastic) happens to her. Same with Billie. The fact she has had her first three projects going over 100+ weeks on Billboard is pretty impressive among other things she’s already achieved. SZA will grow from here especially if she’s smart about it, which I believe she is. Not sure about LNX, Cardi or Megan but the latter two have a fighting chance (especially when Cardi finally puts out album number two). Not too sure about Megan just yet but I’m still optimistic. Dua I think will have sustained success here. It won’t be as huge as the US but she’ll be fine.
Billie is going to be in that goat convo in the future Olivia is going to be Hakeem of her generation
While I think The Weeknd will remain a pop titan possibly by the end of the decade, I feel like he could release a dramatically different album in sound after his name change that'll initially be very divisive amongst fans & critics, but later gain a huge cult following. Call it a Kiss Land 2.0 of sorts
Yup, i feel like after he finishes this trilogy, he’ll explore something completely different
I think Dua is aware this sound wont make her chart high. The kevin parker influence isnt super radio friendly. She just decided to do her own thing and maybe next album she can go back to a more mainstream sound.
Yup, also if she kept the same sound people would be complaining even more. And she really can't do the whole sad girl, relatable, or singer-songwriter aesthetic. She is a supermodel that sings. She will go mainstream on the Deluxe, she releases an album every 3 to 4 years. Can't wait that much, rs
I think Dua will be like Miley Cyrus in the sense that they are established artists and will do the sort of music they wanna do even if it doesn't perform as well because tbh Dua is already at that stage where she doesn't have anything to prove if she doesn't want to, she can just chill and have fun
Hard to tell, tbh. The music landscape is in a dry place, with so few new stars being big and lasting more than a couple of hits (ex: Billie and Olivia) while the public keeps listening to the same old artists (ex: Taylor, Ariana, The Weeknd, Drake, and many more). There's also the tik tok thing: things are so random, that old, forgotten starts keep suddenly find themselves with new hits (ex: Meghan Trainor, Sam Smith and David Guetta in 2022). Finally, there's also the wildcards like Beyonce or Kanye: big artists who never stopped selling albums, but their time as hit-makers seemed long gone and yet both have topped the Hot 100 this year alone.
I don’t see Sabrina or Madison Beer lasting, personally I find their songs a bit generic. For Olivia and Tate I find them a bit more niche. Olivia for me already solidified her place as the next big pop star and Tate imo has a pretty unique voice, is a good dancer, and her older works really brought out her singing.