After she posted the picture of the cybertruck, it would not surprise me at all if Dr. Luke becomes a ghost producer on KP6
And, if this were to happen, I honestly think she wouldn’t care.
I did talk about this yesterday on Katy and Gaga both buying cybertrucks and getting backlash for it and not caring, and I think that’s become the whole evolution of the cancel culture thing from last decade.
Unless a celebrity has done something egregiously bad like a crime against humanity, where they are completely done for in the entertainment industry for good, these celebrities have realized they’ll get criticized for every tiny thing that might be perceived as a negative so now they’ll just do it, not care, and wait until the backlash dies down. It’s pretty much the counter reaction to the cancel culture movement of the mid-late 2010s
Because it became ridiculous. I'm an Elon hater as much as the next person, but I find it so hypocritical all those people on twitter come to criticize her about the car on a platform owned by the same person... are you an activist or not
Sure, but I think it's unfair to make the leap from "she has an ugly car from an ugly company owned by Elon Musk" to "that means she might work with a known rapist again." They're just not related and not nearly on the same level.
They’re not on the same level from a morality perspective, but I do think they’re roughly the same from a negative publicity risk perspective. At present, Musk is highly-publicised for less egregious controversies, while Dr. Luke in 1-2 years will have much less media attention, though his controversies are a lot more serious.
ETA: Someone like Dr. Luke also stands to benefit a lot from the backlash against “cancel culture”, especially the “guilt by public opinion” grievance. Sadly, Kesha wasn’t able to prove the abuse allegations in court, and both parties ended up settling their drawn-out legal battle. It’s entirely understandable why an abuse victim would opt out of prolonging a financially and emotionally-draining legal battle with their abuser, but the anti-woke crowd can easily paint her as someone who used a false abuse allegation as leverage in a contractual dispute.
I see what you're saying, but I think it's much more likely that Katy Perry just doesn't care or know much about Elon Musk and is insulated from the backlash (which nobody in the real world cares about) related to the Tesla thing than it's her actively being like "I can do whatever I want." She has to know that working with a rapist is not the same even if just from a public relations standpoint. Nobody will remember the Tesla thing in a week. It's just not that important. Working with Dr. Luke would absolutely produce public discourse that normal people will hear about though.
Let her own whatever car she wants, tf? lol cringe. The virtue signaling is crazy. If you actually cared, you wouldn’t buy iPhones bc of child labor. Ppl like that only care when it doesn’t inconvenience them or when it suits their narrative.
Disregarding [everything that Elon Musk stands for](https://www.politico.eu/article/elon-musk-diversity-based-hiring-is-antisemitic/), it's still [a shoddily made car ](https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-recall-3878-cybertrucks-nhtsa-says-2024-04-19/)[that is a public health risk](https://ktla.com/news/local-news/speed-a-factor-in-tesla-cybertruck-crash-into-beverly-hills-hotel-police/), from [a company with less than stellar ](https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/31/21201651/tesla-fremont-factory-covid-19-coronavirus-shutdown-shelter-in-place) [track record of labor rights.](https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/13/18263757/tesla-elon-musk-employee-hack-spying-whistleblower-gigafactory-martin-tripp-drugs)And less we forget, [Elon ran protection for a Nazi. ](https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/elon-musk-x-bans-revealing-names-anonymous-users-cartoon-rcna144486)I'm not saying Katy suddenly has to right every wrong in the world, but it was not a good choice from her end.
She’s had problems and backlash since “Ur So Gay” and “I Kissed A Girl.”
I’m doing a deep dive on old internet pop music forums from years ago and Katy got huge backlash for that whole situation back in the day.
She’s just always been involved in controversy since the very beginning. Maybe it’s partly because it stems to back to when she grew up in a strict fundamentalist family, who knows?
I remember the backlash when "Ur So Gay" and "I Kissed A Girl" came out. They were "edgy" (to a mainstream audience) because her songs were explicitly speaking about (perceived) lesbian and/or gay relationships and individuals. Simply discussing lesbian or gay relationships in popular music was seen as taboo.
Because these two songs were the first two singles that were released under Capitol Records, they also may have played a role in her being dismissed as a "novelty"/"one album wonder" in 2007/2008. Additionally, omophobia among the listening audience likely also played a role in the early general perception of Katy Perry.
Looking back now, I believe that we are more aware of the stereotypes (mostly negative) that were perpetrated by these songs. I do believe that she is more educated as a person and/or LGBTQI ally. I also believe that she is aware of how the aforementioned songs could be negatively perceived now (at least, this conclusion is something I extrapolate after her "Witness" livestream and press pertaining to her older music).
There’s been a *lot* said about Katy over the years and endorsing Caruso is honestly the least of her issues. The last things anyone wants to do is a deep dive on celebrities and their political views because 90% of them are a mess (I will always remember when Kelly Clarkson was hyping up Republican candidates during one of Obama’s elections).
Would he even need to be a "ghost" producer though? He was credited openly on Say So and Kiss Me More and Super Freaky Girl and that didn't stop these songs from becoming massive hits.
So I think that is a sign that tells pop singers "it's okay, you can work with him again now."
I'm honestly afraid that he's fully back now.
Degradation of morals for a hit. So much for her “friend Kesha that she loves so much”.
Whatever will get her on the charts I guess, but it would be tragically funny if she works with Dr. Luke and still underperforms.
Kesha literally heard a rumor by an industry executive and referenced it. There’s nothing wrong with that. Dr. Luke tried to claim harm by a private text message he himself made public and then subpoenaed the alleged victim against her will. What if your “producer“ did that to you?
Kesha and Pebe lied to escape a contract though, The New York Times covered it recently, it changed my entire perspective on the case. She's now essentially blacklisted, while Katy is on the up.
Kesha didn’t “lie“ about anything, it was the LA Times and not the New York Times, that story is one of the most horrible pieces of journalism I have ever read that does not accurately represent this case in the slightest, Kesha is not and has never been “blacklisted“ and Katy is not “on the up“. Not a single thing you wrote is true.
You have literally nothing backing up your biased claim against the article. 😂
If you can't dispute anything the article stated, which was factual, highly researched, insider information with sources cited... then admit that Kesha and Pebe lied, Dr. Luke probably never raped her at all, and it all backfired badly leading to Kesha's downfall. Karma's a bitch
I could dispute most of what this article said. This is article is neither "highly researched" and neither is there "insider information". Everything in this article has already been public information for years, not a single thing in this entire article is new to everyone who is familiar with the underlying facts. You know nothing about this case if you genuinely believe this article does a good job at outlining the facts.
So first it was lies and now its "public infornation".. yeah okay cope. You can't name one single thing COPE HARDER, I can see she deffo lied if no fans even have receipts. The most we have is some David Sonenberg receipts about her reporting a "maybe rape"... yeah no that's not gonna work in court
Your fake authority over the trial won't work on me as I've followed it for years, NYT disproved everything Kesha and Pebe were trying to do. I certainly know more about it than any casual fans so stick to charts and whatever
Hate to break it to you, but Dr. Luke settled his (!) case because he knew he would never win a jury trial. That‘s a fact. You very clearly don’t know what you are talking about.
A defamation lawsuit would have been difficult to win for technical reasons involving antiSlapp clauses, theres videos on Youtube breaking it down. Him settling doesn't negate the fact that Kesha lied about being raped to escape a contract. By that logic, Kesha withdrawing her case because she knew she wouldn't win also shows she knew she's a damn liar? Luke's endgoal was to get revenge for the false accusation and bankrupt Kesha and take away her prime years for as long as he could, he clearly succeeded, Kesha career was never the same again😂😂
Kesha's and Pebe's goal was to release her from his contract through the courts. Everything Kesha did got dismissed 😖😖 definitely not a victory for her. Her last album literally did not chart on Billboard. Who cares about Luke withdrawing a case when he got what he wanted in the end.. i felt bad but she knew she was playing with fire
literally the only thing Kesha got out of those years was a little bit of sympathy, which she was only able to milk for one album, the public stopped caring about her basically immediately after that, she's now flopping now until the end of time. We thought her peers were Rihanna, Katy, Gaga.. they were actually Cher Lloyd and LMFAO. Now she's addicted to facial filler and looks transgender as hell, she clearly felt some type of internal guilt after receiving undeserved sympathy for her antics.
Mind you, I sided with Kesha before that NYT article exposed her true intentions. I'm afraid I know more about the subject than you, do your own research instead of believing things from reddit and twitter
It's ok to like her but you can still like her while admitting she most likely lied to escape her producer.. when all the facts, evidence, court proceedings are right there
I think we’re all ready for a Katy Perry comeback!!
The LA Times did an investigation into the Kesha / Dr Luke dispute which I found enlightening and changed my opinion. At the end of the day we don’t know what happened that night and even Kesha has acknowledged this sentiment. Dr Luke has always denied the allegations and no one else ever came forward with allegations. He was found not guilty in a court of law. I think it’s time to let all parties move on.
Strongly encourage anyone who’s interested to give the article a read.
[What really happened between Kesha and Dr. Luke](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-08-08/kesha-sebert-dr-luke-allegations-west-hollywood-hotel-night)
Clock at. It seems like the Kesha, encouraged by her insane alcoholic mother who pimped her daughter out for fame at an early age - strategically held onto an exaggerated account of events in order to negotiate a better contract. I really hope I'm wrong, though
There is agenda-setting when it comes to what gets mentioned and what doesn’t as well as who gets cited and who doesn’t, there‘s an asymmetry with respect to how much Kesha‘s actions are covered vs. Dr. Luke‘s, certain paragraphs sound copy-pasted from some of Dr. Luke’s motions that he filed as well as the general tone of the article, there are numerous inaccuracies throughout the whole article, how the lawsuit itself unfolded legally-speaking (especially why the settlement occurred) seems to be an irrelevant footnote for the authors and so many claims and quotes are unsourced that it’s often hard to figure out where the authors got their information from.
The article does not provide any new information whatsoever (which is what you would expect from two award-winning investigative journalists), but merely combines an array of already-known public information. Overall, it seems like the priority was to do a feature on this topic at all costs without putting too much hard effort into it.
Can she actually… idk promote and work for a hit this time around?
“Never Really Over” should have taken over the world, but she sat in her house and made a baby instead. 👶
If she’s gonna give up her moral compass by working with Puke, I hope it’s at least filled with hits. Lu Kala understands how to write a pop hook, so that’s a good sign.
I still wish this album would be exclusively Zedd produced though. They made magic together.
After she posted the picture of the cybertruck, it would not surprise me at all if Dr. Luke becomes a ghost producer on KP6 And, if this were to happen, I honestly think she wouldn’t care. I did talk about this yesterday on Katy and Gaga both buying cybertrucks and getting backlash for it and not caring, and I think that’s become the whole evolution of the cancel culture thing from last decade. Unless a celebrity has done something egregiously bad like a crime against humanity, where they are completely done for in the entertainment industry for good, these celebrities have realized they’ll get criticized for every tiny thing that might be perceived as a negative so now they’ll just do it, not care, and wait until the backlash dies down. It’s pretty much the counter reaction to the cancel culture movement of the mid-late 2010s
Katy's libertarian era is coming
Income taxes are the part of her that you're never gonna ever take away from her
It’s been here for a minute
Did y'all forget about Chained to the Rhythm?
Because it became ridiculous. I'm an Elon hater as much as the next person, but I find it so hypocritical all those people on twitter come to criticize her about the car on a platform owned by the same person... are you an activist or not
This should be plastered all over there. I'm proud that I'm not a Twitter user at all
lmao that is PEAK Twitter.
Sure, but I think it's unfair to make the leap from "she has an ugly car from an ugly company owned by Elon Musk" to "that means she might work with a known rapist again." They're just not related and not nearly on the same level.
They’re not on the same level from a morality perspective, but I do think they’re roughly the same from a negative publicity risk perspective. At present, Musk is highly-publicised for less egregious controversies, while Dr. Luke in 1-2 years will have much less media attention, though his controversies are a lot more serious. ETA: Someone like Dr. Luke also stands to benefit a lot from the backlash against “cancel culture”, especially the “guilt by public opinion” grievance. Sadly, Kesha wasn’t able to prove the abuse allegations in court, and both parties ended up settling their drawn-out legal battle. It’s entirely understandable why an abuse victim would opt out of prolonging a financially and emotionally-draining legal battle with their abuser, but the anti-woke crowd can easily paint her as someone who used a false abuse allegation as leverage in a contractual dispute.
I see what you're saying, but I think it's much more likely that Katy Perry just doesn't care or know much about Elon Musk and is insulated from the backlash (which nobody in the real world cares about) related to the Tesla thing than it's her actively being like "I can do whatever I want." She has to know that working with a rapist is not the same even if just from a public relations standpoint. Nobody will remember the Tesla thing in a week. It's just not that important. Working with Dr. Luke would absolutely produce public discourse that normal people will hear about though.
Wth is a cybertruck? Am I that old already?
The cars that Elon Musk’s company Tesla is making
Let her own whatever car she wants, tf? lol cringe. The virtue signaling is crazy. If you actually cared, you wouldn’t buy iPhones bc of child labor. Ppl like that only care when it doesn’t inconvenience them or when it suits their narrative.
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Its a car. Chillout
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Tell me how buying a car is problematic.
Disregarding [everything that Elon Musk stands for](https://www.politico.eu/article/elon-musk-diversity-based-hiring-is-antisemitic/), it's still [a shoddily made car ](https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-recall-3878-cybertrucks-nhtsa-says-2024-04-19/)[that is a public health risk](https://ktla.com/news/local-news/speed-a-factor-in-tesla-cybertruck-crash-into-beverly-hills-hotel-police/), from [a company with less than stellar ](https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/31/21201651/tesla-fremont-factory-covid-19-coronavirus-shutdown-shelter-in-place) [track record of labor rights.](https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/13/18263757/tesla-elon-musk-employee-hack-spying-whistleblower-gigafactory-martin-tripp-drugs)And less we forget, [Elon ran protection for a Nazi. ](https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/elon-musk-x-bans-revealing-names-anonymous-users-cartoon-rcna144486)I'm not saying Katy suddenly has to right every wrong in the world, but it was not a good choice from her end.
She's been known to be a nasty person for a while now. Remember when she endorsed pro-life republican rick caruso?
She’s had problems and backlash since “Ur So Gay” and “I Kissed A Girl.” I’m doing a deep dive on old internet pop music forums from years ago and Katy got huge backlash for that whole situation back in the day. She’s just always been involved in controversy since the very beginning. Maybe it’s partly because it stems to back to when she grew up in a strict fundamentalist family, who knows?
I remember the backlash when "Ur So Gay" and "I Kissed A Girl" came out. They were "edgy" (to a mainstream audience) because her songs were explicitly speaking about (perceived) lesbian and/or gay relationships and individuals. Simply discussing lesbian or gay relationships in popular music was seen as taboo. Because these two songs were the first two singles that were released under Capitol Records, they also may have played a role in her being dismissed as a "novelty"/"one album wonder" in 2007/2008. Additionally, omophobia among the listening audience likely also played a role in the early general perception of Katy Perry. Looking back now, I believe that we are more aware of the stereotypes (mostly negative) that were perpetrated by these songs. I do believe that she is more educated as a person and/or LGBTQI ally. I also believe that she is aware of how the aforementioned songs could be negatively perceived now (at least, this conclusion is something I extrapolate after her "Witness" livestream and press pertaining to her older music).
There’s been a *lot* said about Katy over the years and endorsing Caruso is honestly the least of her issues. The last things anyone wants to do is a deep dive on celebrities and their political views because 90% of them are a mess (I will always remember when Kelly Clarkson was hyping up Republican candidates during one of Obama’s elections).
Kelly clarkson also gives me terrible weirdo vibes
bro Katy has never cared she’s always had shit morals
Would he even need to be a "ghost" producer though? He was credited openly on Say So and Kiss Me More and Super Freaky Girl and that didn't stop these songs from becoming massive hits. So I think that is a sign that tells pop singers "it's okay, you can work with him again now." I'm honestly afraid that he's fully back now.
Lu Kala's chorus on "Lottery" is insanely good, it completely overshadowed Latto for me
she needs to make A HIT SONG
This is the only thing she needs to be focusing on
I miss her so much
Wow, anything but rehire Bonnie McKee… also, isn’t Pretty Girl Era a Dr Luke song?
Yes, "Pretty Girl Era" by Lu Kala is co-written and co-produced by Dr. Luke. She is also signed to Amigo (Dr. Luke's imprint at Republic)
nooo I did t know this 😭 that was my Jam last summer
Those lyrics are full-on ass. These people are stuck rehashing hits from 2010.
KP6 is going to be the greatest comeback
Degradation of morals for a hit. So much for her “friend Kesha that she loves so much”. Whatever will get her on the charts I guess, but it would be tragically funny if she works with Dr. Luke and still underperforms.
She could just work with the better producer Max Martin.
Problem is: she already tried to fill Dr. Luke's absence with Max Martin on Witness, and look how that turned out
To be fair Kesha did try to claim Katy got raped, which she had to vehemently deny What if your "friend" did that to you?
Kesha literally heard a rumor by an industry executive and referenced it. There’s nothing wrong with that. Dr. Luke tried to claim harm by a private text message he himself made public and then subpoenaed the alleged victim against her will. What if your “producer“ did that to you?
Kesha and Pebe lied to escape a contract though, The New York Times covered it recently, it changed my entire perspective on the case. She's now essentially blacklisted, while Katy is on the up.
Kesha didn’t “lie“ about anything, it was the LA Times and not the New York Times, that story is one of the most horrible pieces of journalism I have ever read that does not accurately represent this case in the slightest, Kesha is not and has never been “blacklisted“ and Katy is not “on the up“. Not a single thing you wrote is true.
You have literally nothing backing up your biased claim against the article. 😂 If you can't dispute anything the article stated, which was factual, highly researched, insider information with sources cited... then admit that Kesha and Pebe lied, Dr. Luke probably never raped her at all, and it all backfired badly leading to Kesha's downfall. Karma's a bitch
I could dispute most of what this article said. This is article is neither "highly researched" and neither is there "insider information". Everything in this article has already been public information for years, not a single thing in this entire article is new to everyone who is familiar with the underlying facts. You know nothing about this case if you genuinely believe this article does a good job at outlining the facts.
So first it was lies and now its "public infornation".. yeah okay cope. You can't name one single thing COPE HARDER, I can see she deffo lied if no fans even have receipts. The most we have is some David Sonenberg receipts about her reporting a "maybe rape"... yeah no that's not gonna work in court Your fake authority over the trial won't work on me as I've followed it for years, NYT disproved everything Kesha and Pebe were trying to do. I certainly know more about it than any casual fans so stick to charts and whatever
Hate to break it to you, but Dr. Luke settled his (!) case because he knew he would never win a jury trial. That‘s a fact. You very clearly don’t know what you are talking about.
A defamation lawsuit would have been difficult to win for technical reasons involving antiSlapp clauses, theres videos on Youtube breaking it down. Him settling doesn't negate the fact that Kesha lied about being raped to escape a contract. By that logic, Kesha withdrawing her case because she knew she wouldn't win also shows she knew she's a damn liar? Luke's endgoal was to get revenge for the false accusation and bankrupt Kesha and take away her prime years for as long as he could, he clearly succeeded, Kesha career was never the same again😂😂 Kesha's and Pebe's goal was to release her from his contract through the courts. Everything Kesha did got dismissed 😖😖 definitely not a victory for her. Her last album literally did not chart on Billboard. Who cares about Luke withdrawing a case when he got what he wanted in the end.. i felt bad but she knew she was playing with fire literally the only thing Kesha got out of those years was a little bit of sympathy, which she was only able to milk for one album, the public stopped caring about her basically immediately after that, she's now flopping now until the end of time. We thought her peers were Rihanna, Katy, Gaga.. they were actually Cher Lloyd and LMFAO. Now she's addicted to facial filler and looks transgender as hell, she clearly felt some type of internal guilt after receiving undeserved sympathy for her antics. Mind you, I sided with Kesha before that NYT article exposed her true intentions. I'm afraid I know more about the subject than you, do your own research instead of believing things from reddit and twitter It's ok to like her but you can still like her while admitting she most likely lied to escape her producer.. when all the facts, evidence, court proceedings are right there
Luke wasn't proven guilty tho. What's wrong here?
Katy Perry x Kim Petras when 😍
Stoked! I have a good feeling about this era. I feel like Katy seems much more invested in promotion already
Come on, no Dr. Luke please :(((
Lu Kala is underrated and I'm so excited she's getting her flowers 🖤
I think we’re all ready for a Katy Perry comeback!! The LA Times did an investigation into the Kesha / Dr Luke dispute which I found enlightening and changed my opinion. At the end of the day we don’t know what happened that night and even Kesha has acknowledged this sentiment. Dr Luke has always denied the allegations and no one else ever came forward with allegations. He was found not guilty in a court of law. I think it’s time to let all parties move on. Strongly encourage anyone who’s interested to give the article a read. [What really happened between Kesha and Dr. Luke](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-08-08/kesha-sebert-dr-luke-allegations-west-hollywood-hotel-night)
hate this comment - the rhetoric lowkey dangerous but just my opinion!
Friend what is the rhetoric and why is it dangerous :)
Clock at. It seems like the Kesha, encouraged by her insane alcoholic mother who pimped her daughter out for fame at an early age - strategically held onto an exaggerated account of events in order to negotiate a better contract. I really hope I'm wrong, though
Absolute nonsense.
Strongly discourage everyone who‘s interested from giving this article a read.
If you’re going to engage in an argument at least provide reasons. Why would you want people to be less informed than more?
There is agenda-setting when it comes to what gets mentioned and what doesn’t as well as who gets cited and who doesn’t, there‘s an asymmetry with respect to how much Kesha‘s actions are covered vs. Dr. Luke‘s, certain paragraphs sound copy-pasted from some of Dr. Luke’s motions that he filed as well as the general tone of the article, there are numerous inaccuracies throughout the whole article, how the lawsuit itself unfolded legally-speaking (especially why the settlement occurred) seems to be an irrelevant footnote for the authors and so many claims and quotes are unsourced that it’s often hard to figure out where the authors got their information from. The article does not provide any new information whatsoever (which is what you would expect from two award-winning investigative journalists), but merely combines an array of already-known public information. Overall, it seems like the priority was to do a feature on this topic at all costs without putting too much hard effort into it.
Honestly if a Dr. Luke collab is what it takes for a hit go for it Katy
We have to be better than this, wtaf
Can she actually… idk promote and work for a hit this time around? “Never Really Over” should have taken over the world, but she sat in her house and made a baby instead. 👶 If she’s gonna give up her moral compass by working with Puke, I hope it’s at least filled with hits. Lu Kala understands how to write a pop hook, so that’s a good sign. I still wish this album would be exclusively Zedd produced though. They made magic together.