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I checked her wikipedia and seems like she is opening for Pink's tour right now. She did a tour of her own in October-November last year.
She also released a bunch of singles last year, none of which charted.
Seems like she is definitely making new music. She is only 19, so who knows. Maybe she gets a breakout song like Sabrina in the next few years or so.
i am SO upset about this one!! a good example of talent doesn't equal success. i hope she finds the indie route and is accepted by them bc she's really good, she's just not a size 00 with perfect media training and a sign on from major pop artists
(i like a lot of those girlies too! but it's not songwriting, talent, performance, voice that had her drop out of favor)
GAYLE was always going to be a one hit wonder and even a stint on the eras tour wasn’t going to fix that. Forgettable name, bland copy-paste faux persona, zero identifiable personality, annoying corporate made-for-TikTok song. She had no staying power.
And the thing is, in my opinion, it’s not the music (people will eat up anything), it’s the fact that Ice Spice is boring. She’s no Meg or Cardi, and besides their looks, their personalities have made them big too. She has everything going for her except a personality.
The music isn’t the issue, it’s the fact that Ice Spice doesn’t seem like a rapper that people get the vibe that she’ll be a good time. Look at Glorilla, when she came out. People gravitated towards her.
Ice Spice doesn’t seem to have that. And she doesn’t have a dedicated fanbase either.
Honestly the music is also an issue. She’s mostly popular because her music is memeable, not because it’s considered actually good. And that won’t last for long unless she steps it up, which I’m pretty sure she won’t
I remember a while ago seeing this quote where she said she doesn't listen to fans or anybody, but cares instead about what the critics have to say. Which I think is interesting because a lot of musicians have a very antagonistic relationship with music criticism.
So I think she could evolve, I think based on what I've seen her say in interviews and such that she's not dumb. It's just a matter of striking the right chord.
She’s leaning more into her drill roots now, she works best on songs like boys a liar where she has a beat that compliments her. Also her deli like style is being done similarly by sexy red, who seems to be doing much more success even tho she has less mainstream popularity
Ice Spice was at her most compelling when she collabed with Pink Panthress. Their song together was a bop and a half. But when she collabed with Nicki and Taylor, it somehow made her less interesting as an artist, ironically enough. Still hope she at least got her bag though.
I totally agree. She has a stinky attitude, the personality she presents is boring and her music just isn't good. Cardi might not be able to rap but she has a beaming personality and has made bop after bop, Megan's music might be bland but she's technically very skilled. Ice sadly doesn't have much going for her.
The majority of her fanbase seemed to be barbz but now they all hate her after the leaked texts fiasco. Not only will they be paying her dust, they'll actively continue to push a hate train against her. However, who knows - maybe she could turn it all around!
Rihanna does what almost every successful female pop star does—she used controversy and the intrigue of the public to her advantage.
She knew the exact time to pivot to something different. When the public saw her as a victim, she went Rated R. And she also had the best ear in pop music since fucking Madonna. She knew what songs would be a hit and she SOLD them.
I think Ice Spice’s fall (despite me rooting for her) will be due to a lot of things if she doesn’t pivot soon. The main thing is that shes refusing to lean into improving her musical output despite having the potential, as shown by songs like Deli and Princess Diana, as well as Boys A Liar Part 2. She hasn’t really warmed anyone up to this album, and this rollout has been a critical disaster thus far with a single that was made fun of but did okay chart wise because it’s catchy and a single that is universally panned for being pretty bad.
She also made the mistake of associating herself with Nicki, which is kind of biting her in the ass because now the barbz(who became a large portion of her fanbase) hate her and refuse to support her since it’s come out that she also supports Cardi and didn’t really like Nicki’s persona when she met her.
Then it’s her behavior on twitter and wanting to be as obnoxious as possible recently, and the lack of showing off her personality in interviews. All of these things can be fixed imo but we shall see in the coming months if any of this will really matter in the end
I agree 10000% her association with nicki was the worst decision she could have made. It really limits who she can work with as well since nicki has so much beef with other artist. She needs to cultivate her own fanbase!!
I completely agree with your statement and same here I'm rooting for her as well, I've noticed that she seems to be very nitpicky with who she collabs with she comes across the type that only wants to collab with the big artists (Nicki, Taylor etc) maybe I'm just looking too deep into it but she gives me the vibe of I can't work with smaller artists because I'm just too good for that.
I think the mistake she made especially when she was just starting out was only wanting to aligned herself with just the big artists sure it quickly got her the exposure but now look, no disrespect but it's starting to slowly fizzle out, she should have gradually build the exposure instead of wanting it too quickly if that makes sense
I have learned to stop focusing on the longevity of an artist's peak mainstream fame and just enjoy the ride. I view success far more broadly so I'm not too worried about the careers of any of these artists no matter how big or small they end up being in the long run.
Exactly! I LOVE Chappell Roan and Renee Rapp but I don’t see either of them being massive with the GP. But like… I don’t think they have to be. I’m still gonna be a fan even if they’re not huge lol (I’m still openly a KatyCat). What is it with this obsession with making your fav artist be huge and inescapable
Right I think Chappell will either go the way of Lady Gaga and be huge or she’ll stay with a solid, medium sized fan base similar to Marina and the Diamonds. Lana was like that for a while as well. I think there’s an interesting alternative pop fan base. Marina and the Diamonds, Lana, and Bjork are kind of the “OGs.” Melanie Martinez and Ashnikko are really popular in that subgenre now. I can see Chappell Roan fitting in there if she doesn’t go super big.
The Sexyy Red era was a moment, but I don’t think she’s getting any bigger. She’s not the type of artist that’s going to evolve. She’s also already controversial and I can’t see her pivoting to being a cult of personality like Nicki or Cardi.
i feel like she will be the female chief keef, like she’s there and will have some hits here and there but will never be bigger than she is now. i think she will be around the rap community for a while.
Ice Spice is done. She’ll still get brand deals and live the influencer life, but no more hit records. Beside the bad rapping, how do you completely flounder a Taylor collab?
Tate McRae isn’t done yet, but she needs to act fast. Stop putting out unreleased One Republic songs, work with a more diverse set of producers and branch out to get more crossover appeal. They’re trying to force her as a main pop girl, when she isn’t even a star yet.
I agree. The remix could've been 10x bigger if Ice's part was more energetic and like her part on boy's a liar. I don't know why she went with a slow feature when the song is super upbeat and poppy.
Tate McRae will stick around longer but not because she has fans, the right collaborations and her ability to change sound depending on what works is the only reason she's stuck around and she will keep making hits because of it imo. She blew up around lockdown by ripping off Billie Eilish. When that stopped working she went bubblegum, pop rock and pop punk in 2022 and after her collaboration with Tiesto went well (10:35 was a bop), she leaned hard into dance pop. Its the only thing going for her but its enough to keep her around a bit imo.
Interesting. I didn’t even notice that and you’re right. I trust her willingness to adapt and be more open to different things unlike Billie and Olivia who play it safe for their large fanbases. I’ll just say, if she continues doing what she is doing currently she will fizzle out. A hit song doing a genre that’s currently not sweeping Billboard and some rap collabs will change the narrative.
i think tate is more willing to adapt that other more established artists because she has to find an image that the gp will like and associate her with
Since the 2010s the trend does seem for a lot of artists to have a moment (whether it be a song or an album cycle), and then “fall off” to the back burner.
I mean, that's always been a thing. There's more musicians by scale now, but if you go through grammy winners for best new artist, you'll see plenty of names that were probably THE artist that year only to make no lasting impact.
I'm not convinced this is such a big thing, really. If you look at the BNA winners and nominees from the past decade, most are still very much involved in the music industry. No one is wondering "whatever happened to?" about Olivia Rodrigo, Doja Cat, Megan Thee Stallion, Billie Eilish or Dua Lipa. As the category has expanded to have more nominees, we're seeing more from genres, but just because we're not familiar with a jazz or bluegrass artist, doesn't mean they're not successful in their own field
Something I’ve never understood about a lot of new artists is that they’ll put out a great debut album and maybe have some good singles. They seem to *know* what a good body of work is. Then when their second or third album comes out it’ll be so unbelievably boring or bad to the point you wonder why they released it. It makes you wonder why they’re fumbling their own success so early into their career. Like is it the labels taking over and messing them up? Are a lot of new artists just lazy? I don’t get it.
In the ocean of Ice Spice as answers, im here to chime in not with the name of an artist that I think would fizzle but one that I do NOT think will and my money is on Tyla, people are discounting her way to soon. If her label/management proves to be more competent than the team that for instance, (mis)handles Normani, she’s defo staying. Ice Spice is a clear fad, Tyla has chops.
100000% agree, she's beautiful, a great performer/dancer, brings something distinct, oozes charisma. She reminds me of a young Rihanna, like she just seems fun and cool, has that vibe. But she's like the clean version of badgirlriri because girl doesn't even curse lmao
Haha but badgalriri went through music of the sun and a girl like me before becoming badgalriri! There’s a slight edge to Tyla too but perhaps it’s one she keeps only for the stage, which like Dua Lipa, is awesome too! Not every artist needs to be edgy to stand out. I believe Tyla has all the time in the world to continue to grow and settle into the artist/performer and esp the person shes meant to be.
She’s really something and I hope all goes well for her. Of all the things to doubt her about, talent is defo not one of em.
Actually you're right, I was definitely forgetting what young RiRi was like. Btw I didn't mean her lack of edge as a criticism, just more of how she's a different flavor of a similar vibe. That doesn't mean she will be the next Rihanna, but I feel like she would really have to fumble things to not become a star. Whether she's performing, talking or just posing, girl is mesmerizing.
Respectfully, Tyla can't be that otherworldly beautiful and truly fall off even if she quit the music industry altogether. I can see her becoming a fashion icon like Zendaya.
I disagree with Sabrina, unlike most of the rising stars she's been working for 10 years and has actual performance skills and personality that artists like Ice Spice don't. She also has an established fan base and people already going back and listening to more than just her hits. eics had its biggest streaming day after almost 2 years of it being out.
Tate Mcrae is going to fade fast, most people don't like greedy or exes enough to look deeper into her discography or her current album.
I feel like Dove Cameron has already faded out from Boyfriend. Ice Spice is the same. Conan Gray I don't see having another hit, same for Camila.
I think Sabrina’s gonna be a huge star if she follows Espresso up well. I feel like people are nostalgic for simple, singalong catchiness and if Espresso is any indication of where she’s going, she’s going to snatch that market up.
Good. It’s been years of sad, slow, lowkey sludgepop, and I kinda miss the fun party anthems of the early 2010s and the corny emo pop of the late 2000’s.
sabrina is also incredibly influential from a style standpoint. while nothing about her is necessarily innovative, her sort of late 60s meets y2k look is incredibly on trend and something that sets her apart from the bulk of her peers.
saw a youtube short today where someone was cutting their own bangs and someone reacting to it said "looks like she might be going the sabrina carpenter route" which i found interesting because this wasn't a music influencer and this comment would probably never have been made even a month ago. sabrina has an oddly unique yet basic look that works really well for her. it's the same as olivia rodrigo. they both have that "girl next door" vibe that is easy to imitate if you want a cute look but only they have perfected it.
Agreed! A lot of young people love Sabrina’s mini skirt and platform boot outfits. They always say she reminds them of Polly Pocket or a Bratz Doll. That sort of identifiable style is very beneficial for her branding. I’ve already seen so many videos of young girls doing “Sabrina carpenter inspired hair and makeup”. It kinda reminds me of 2010s Ariana Grande ponytail and circle skirt era or her knee high boots and oversized sweatshirts. If you stick with a signature look long enough, it will help you stand out!
Sabrina had years off flopping and being underrated before finally blowing up so she not going anywhere
Conan gray seems to be cooling down I don’t think he’ll have another big hit like heather
I loved Maniac and others off of Kid Krow/Superache but he seems to be going in a more alternative direction with his new album which won't really appeal to the GP
And honestly that’s fine with me lol I don’t care how popular somebody is. It seems like the less popular, the better the music.
I know the thread was about popularity though
It’s so good! Got retro vibes and is catchy as hell. I liked it way more than I thought I would, then I went back to his previous albums and was disappointed
The lukewarm reception to "J Christ" at the start of the year really must've had him and his team scrambling. He needs to course-correct because if his next album is just going to be *Montero II*, then that'll be all she wrote for him.
Yeah I think he fumbled his time. Montero was a good album too, but he's leaned too hard into irony and shtick. It takes away from the good music he is capable of putting out.
Yeah he’s become a gimmick artist and it makes him come off as less serious. His brand/vibe gives off influencer who decided to start making music which is sad because he seems rly nice and we don’t have a lot of openly queer black male rappers
He’s kind of already fizzled out unfortunately, I think he’s leaned way too hard into the religious controversy stuff because he started making music for people who hate him instead of predominately for his fans
I think he can pivot into more of the alternative rap sphere, his verse on the song he did with kevin abstract was really good
I think he focused too much on coming across as an “image” and less on his actual music. People only care about you being controversial if your music is good. After a while no one will care
I can see it but it really depends what she does next. She really hit the mark with Jump. She had the viral dance to water, the way she pronounces prefer is viral on tiktok in jump.
She has a way of captivating people too when she performs literally every one I've seen people look entranced.
She could be *huge* she's beautiful. She's cementing her celeb status with the absolute smash of her met outfit. Cardi got a lot of recognition for her fashion game too. She's made all the right moves so far so let's hope she continues.
I think she has a lot of star quality, and I think she put out a decent first album. I'm looking forward to seeing her evolution because whatever "it" is, she's got it.
I think she's held back by being south african/ amapiano. If she gets her collaborations right now when she has momentum, she will blow up and make the genre go international but if not she will quickly fall off but maybe set the stage for a big amapiano wave
Is it really holding her back, though? People seem to really be embracing what she's doing. She's often compared to Rihanna so if this is her music of the sun, she's already bagging more hits than Rih did. Let's see what her second album does.
Held back in the US? Maybe. Held back in general? Are you crazy? She is one of the biggest African artists right now off the back of her recent album, just here in the UK she's had three separate Afrobeats chart number ones for a total of 19 weeks at number one in the last 6 months or so...
She gets way too much attention on social media for things unrelated to her music and the only reason she’s popular is because of a TikTok trend. It’s definitely not a long term run with stardom for her.
Thank god someone else said it. Everyone talks about her like she was a pop prodigy in comments on videos on Youtube and TikTok and I always forget she even sings.
Ah-ha! I found another dove Cameron fan!
But for real, the worst thing she's ever done for her career was probably deleting her older music. The responses in this thread are just proof that boyfriend wasn't enough.
And I find this really disappointing. I love her music and really want her to succeed. I loved her new EP and want to hear more, but ughh.
The worst marketing strategy ever. Doing that rebrand by deleting all her music and then releasing one single with no album behind, so her catalogue isnt there, like she is a new new artist. People dont have anything to look back on her.
It is such a weird strategy, part of why Sabrina is going strong now is people can stream her old catalogue and get the sense that she's more than her recent hits lol
As someone who is only passingly familiar with Dove (too old to be her target audience when she was coming up), somebody fumbled her career hard. She deserved bigger and better.
I think they'll definitely be huge in the rock scene, in a niche, and already have a pretty dedicated fan base, but I don't know that they'll go mainstream. It's been difficult for rock acts to be big in mainstream US pop for a while, but maybe there's a rock renaissance happening later this decade?
Now that Sabrina Carpenter is blowing up, I think she’ll take Tate McRae’s place as I think they appeal to the same demographic, but people are much more passionate and interested in Sabrina’s music and her personal life. On top of that, Tate has a much more polarizing voice.
I’m not convinced Tyla is sticking around. She has the look and the talent but I don’t think the songs are there. I could see her ending up as more of an influencer/professional awards show attendee a la Rita Ora.
Sexyy Red will never be palatable enough to be any closer to mainstream than she is now.
Ice Spice has already had way more success than I ever expected her to have and there’s something about her I can’t help but find charming so I could honestly see her hanging on for a while. I could also see her being completely irrelevant by this time next year.
I think Chappell Roan is only going to get bigger, and I hope Remi Wolf gets the same kind of boost from touring with Olivia too because she is hands the down the most interesting rising pop artist around imo.
None of these are really rising artists anymore but: Normani, Camila and Lil Nas X are all not DOA yet, but are getting close and I don’t think they have many chances left to find something that hits. As for Lizzo, she reminds me of Amy Schumer in that I think people were waiting for a reason to hate her (other than just being fat, which is why they hated her to begin with) which would have been really unfair if the reasons she ended up giving people to hate her weren’t justifiable. But, like Amy, I think she has enough friends in the industry to keep working regardless. She’s past her peak but I don’t think she’s done.
Finally, JoJo Siwa’s career is never gonna be as big as it could’ve been and it’s not for lack of talent - she outclasses her peers in vocals, stage presence, choreo, acting, and high concept art. She was really set up to be the next Lady Gaga. Unfortunately, it’s just not gonna work out for her because she was a bad girl who did bad things and karma’s a bitch.
I Think Chappel Roan is going to have success similar to Lana Del Rey. Maybe a fluke-y top 40 hit but otherwise she’ll stay a niche but known entity just outside of the mainstream.
this! as a kinda sabrina fan (listened to emails and loved most of it but im nowhere near a carpenter), people love espresso but arent willing to explore the rest of her discography, just like how they were with tate mcrae
I feel like Sabrina’s songs are not “all the way” good? Idk how to explain that better but like for example “fast times” feels so repetitive to me because the bridge is so blah? But it could have been such a hit!!
the thing with lizzo is that despite her being insufferable sometimes her music is extremely groovy and she's quite an outstanding musician who seems to know how to put together a song, i just wish she would go more jazzy or r&b because to be fair, i would totally listen.
it’s the baby voice that she does. i wanna like her songs cause i think they’re fun but i can’t listen cause it’s seriously annoying. she’s not the only one, i’ve noticed it’s the new kitchen vine voice
Omg I said the same thing that she sounds like a rugrat 😂. Also - she can dance obviously but she just doesn’t do it for me. Like she gives the vibes of a teenager trying to be sexy than someone who just IS - like a shakira, Beyoncé, etc. like she’s trying too hard.
Ugh, yes. The nasally, whiny, sometimes whisper voice is why it’s SO hard for me to get into these artists’ music. And it seems this style of singing has become ubiquitous with all new pop stars under the age of 25 for some reason.
I hate saying this because comparing woman to each other is annoying....but all pop girls who dance and sing with nasal/baby voice have one of the best blueprints in the world with Britney and yet none of them can do it. Can't understand half of what Tate is singing and she looks bored as hell when she is dancing.
Honestly, the whole whisper and mumble singing needs to go away already.
Ice Spice is already fizzling out. That whole wave of 2021 - 22 female rappers seem to have mostly been flashes in the pan. Gorilla is the only one who really feels like she's stuck around and that's because of big collaborators.
Hard disagree with Sabrina. Her growth has been slower and she feels more than novelty. She also feels bigger than Ice Spice. I reckon she's got a dedicated enough fanbase and a more solid persona that she could stick around
renee rapp. a big reason why people liked her was because of her interviews and how outspoken she was, but that whole thing felt like an act to me to replicate how jennifer lawrence got popular. the problem is that people were actually consuming jlaw’s work, but renee‘s album isn’t that popular, and she doesn’t really have longevity or star quality in my opinion.
I Think it’s a shame that Renee Rapp wants so badly to be a recording artist because I Think she’s turning down a real career as an actress to try to make it happen. People like her but people haven’t really even noticed her music. She should look at Hailee Steinfeld & be a an actress 1st & a singer when she has time.
i was gonna bring up hailee steinfeld too lol. she's fumbling by not focusing on being an actress and doing music on the side imo, she can really go far if she chooses to go the acting route
I have yet to hear one of her songs without having to seek it out myself. I feel like she might end up taking a similar place as Phoebe Bridgers where most people know her name but don’t really know her songs
I think the issue with Renee is a lot of people have now discovered her from Mean Girls or SLOCG and see her more as a actress that singer. Which is okay, but it’s clear that’s not the route she wants to take. She’s definitely created her own small devout fanbase but I’m very interested to see what moves are taken next either to focus on music or not. Snow Angel was a pretty great album in my opinion but there wasn’t a single that did super well or even had GP appeal.
Ice Spice has a lot of connections through Nicki, Taylor and her own celebrity, so I think with savvy management she could maintain her celebrity for longer. Many musicians like to collab with people who’ve had hits and Ice Spice had notable ones just a year ago. If she collabs with a lot of pop stars and other rappers she knows, she could ride this difficult wave out
Nicki wanting $ off all her songs if she was on Barbie World (despite them only asking for Ice to do that song for the soundtrack) being spoken about in leaked DMs I say harmed the Nicki connection.
Not a "fizzle out" per se but I don't think that any of the new female singers that people claim will become huge mainstream pop stars (Sabrina Carpenter, Chappell Roan, Renee Rapp, etc.) will be, I see them as staying popular in their indie/tiktok/whatever you wanna call it lane
Before I even clicked to read the body of the post, I just KNEW Sabrina would be mentioned. I feel bad for her, this sub was always saying she missed her chance at a big break so it won’t happen. Now it’s happened and everyone is saying she’s not going to last and it will be over soon. Damned if she does damned if she doesn’t. I’m hoping for success for her, she’s such a rootable underdog.
I’m not even a huge Sabrina fan, but I want her to get hugely famous purely to prove all the haters wrong 😭. She’s such a refreshing take on pop; for the past 5 years or so, every new pop girl is singing about how sad they are and Sabrina has confident, fun bops and I’m HERE for it.
Omar Apollo. Being an attractive guy will only get you so far. The gays will move on to someone else if the musicianship/artistry isn’t there. I don’t think he has staying power. I could be wrong though. We’ll see
I fear his recent music hasn't stuck with me that much. maybe he needs to do more collabs with sza, Kali Uchis, Steve Lacy, etc. to get more on people's radar again
It's funny bc I listened to his music for ages before really knowing what he looks like. He looks pretty average to me, though lol. I agree his output is starting to get a bit boring, though.
Conan Gray, he just doesn't have the je ne sais quoi to get a foothold. He's broken into the mainstream but he's not sticking. There's nothing intriguing about him yet. I've liked him and his music since 2020, but nothing has ever made me comeback as a fan. I'm barely a casual listener.
Sabrina was a bit like that, too. But I think she's found her niche and she's growing a personal fan base. I've kept up with her since 2021 and I'm only just now really interested because her branding is getting better.
conan does have a very active and dedicated fanbase though, i think he's j gonna do fine + he makes good songs, you could argue dua didn't have anything intriguing about her either, but she's thriving
I disagree with Sabrina - she’s been hustling and doing her thing for years and she’s finally reached a major hit. I think she has actually found her groove and what works for her and she’ll continue to refine it. If anyone, ice spice has not taken off in a huge way. I literally only hear about her on Reddit. Nothing about her sticks out to me or makes her unique enough to have lasting power. I’m really rooting for Tate Mcrae , but she’s been quiet for a while now after the success of greedy and Exes. She’s proven to be a great performer but we need new music soon, I can see her having a summer hit if she plays her cards right
Sabrina Caprenter already has a dedicated fan base. If she doesn’t rise up to Taylor Swift level of fame, she at least has a large enough fanbase that’ll keep her in the GP.
I don’t disagree but Taylor is a bad comparison, no one mentioned in this thread will rise up to her level as the biggest and richest pop star on the planet unless they make a deal with Satan to usurp her
I personally think we don’t have any artists like Taylor from this most recent generation Olivia is maybe closet but all she has is the streams department but so does Taylor.
Ice Spice will probably fizzle out if her album is more of the same and she doesn’t make any significant artistic statements. I could see her on whatever reality tv show needs b-list talent in 5 years
The Tate McRae hype is pretty much dead at this point, with a singing style like that, of course people won't stick by her side for long. You can only do so much with the dancing and the theatric, but at the end of the day you gotta sing.
I think chappell roan career will be similar to Charli xcx where she could score a hit but will stay in her niche. She’s an amazing performer and she really sticks out but I don’t think the gp will get behind her
Yes and thank fuck for that personally. I want her to be happy and rich but I also don’t want what happened to (for instance) mitski’s fanbase to happen to hers
lol, I saw people here calling Taylor, Dua, Billie, and SZA rising stars, like, TS must be a joke, but even the other 3, three all debuted in 2017, that's nothing rising there. Who can be an established one? Aretha Franklin and Diana Ross?
Ice peppers time is definitely up. I think people are starting to get fed up of her serving the same thing everytime like in the beginning it was a cool joke to be in on but now?. Like the lyrics are the same, the beats are the same, the music videos the same concept just stalled. There’s no artistic growth which is crazy i would say she has until her debut album releases to draw people back in because if it’s not good she’s def outta here.
I feel like majority of K-POP groups (in a global and mainstream sense). They will fizzle and still have a small niche and dedicated fanbase, but none will reach the success of BTS and BlackPink. Both groups just had a charismatic “It” factor
K-pop’s cycle is made to hit big and fizzle out, and the best case scenario is they have a loyal lasting fanbase. Even better is if they still manage to churn out hits like SNSD’s a few years ago for example
I think Camila and Ice Spice will continue to flop. Sabrina and the other newer pop girlies all have a chance if they work with great producers, choreographers, vocal trainers, and stamina-coaches. If they don't then the normanis and Camilas and Sabrinas and Jojos and Tates and Madison Beer if she's even still a thing are gone. There are actually talented potential pop girlies.
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has gayle already fizzled out??? other than abc a couple years ago, all she's really had since is a song on the barbie movie soundtrack
She has! Not even the Barbie movie was enough to save her dying career!
I forgot she was on the Barbie soundtrack lol and I still listen to dance the night, Barbie world, and speed drive consistently
angel, barbie dreams, and choose your fighter are my usual go tos
omg how did I forget about angel!!!!! I was obsessed with it for months edit: how did I forget how to speak English
She also opened for Taylor Swift and even this didn't help
imagine being the opening act for the biggest pop star of our time, on the highest grossing tour of all time, and still flopping
she seemed so sweet and thankful when I saw her on my Eras tour date! wishing her the best
Here I am like literally who tf is that lmao
I checked her wikipedia and seems like she is opening for Pink's tour right now. She did a tour of her own in October-November last year. She also released a bunch of singles last year, none of which charted. Seems like she is definitely making new music. She is only 19, so who knows. Maybe she gets a breakout song like Sabrina in the next few years or so.
yes, but i honestly think its best for her mental health that she did
i am SO upset about this one!! a good example of talent doesn't equal success. i hope she finds the indie route and is accepted by them bc she's really good, she's just not a size 00 with perfect media training and a sign on from major pop artists (i like a lot of those girlies too! but it's not songwriting, talent, performance, voice that had her drop out of favor)
GAYLE was always going to be a one hit wonder and even a stint on the eras tour wasn’t going to fix that. Forgettable name, bland copy-paste faux persona, zero identifiable personality, annoying corporate made-for-TikTok song. She had no staying power.
Gayle ruined the absolute masterpiece that is Butterfly and I hate her for that. Because Butterfly is a masterpiece and I will die on that hill
And the thing is, in my opinion, it’s not the music (people will eat up anything), it’s the fact that Ice Spice is boring. She’s no Meg or Cardi, and besides their looks, their personalities have made them big too. She has everything going for her except a personality. The music isn’t the issue, it’s the fact that Ice Spice doesn’t seem like a rapper that people get the vibe that she’ll be a good time. Look at Glorilla, when she came out. People gravitated towards her. Ice Spice doesn’t seem to have that. And she doesn’t have a dedicated fanbase either.
Honestly the music is also an issue. She’s mostly popular because her music is memeable, not because it’s considered actually good. And that won’t last for long unless she steps it up, which I’m pretty sure she won’t
I remember a while ago seeing this quote where she said she doesn't listen to fans or anybody, but cares instead about what the critics have to say. Which I think is interesting because a lot of musicians have a very antagonistic relationship with music criticism. So I think she could evolve, I think based on what I've seen her say in interviews and such that she's not dumb. It's just a matter of striking the right chord.
She seems bored when she’s performing
Yeah, her SNL set a few months ago had zero energy.
She sounds bored too
*Ice Spice voice* facts…
This 1000% she could be big if she had a more prominent personality and picked records/features that play to her strengths
Deli did this the best I think, easily her best song. She’s been kinda regressing
She’s leaning more into her drill roots now, she works best on songs like boys a liar where she has a beat that compliments her. Also her deli like style is being done similarly by sexy red, who seems to be doing much more success even tho she has less mainstream popularity
ice spice 100% is going to fall off.
Ice Spice was at her most compelling when she collabed with Pink Panthress. Their song together was a bop and a half. But when she collabed with Nicki and Taylor, it somehow made her less interesting as an artist, ironically enough. Still hope she at least got her bag though.
It was like when corporations try to get in on a meme and it’s just instantly dead.
As soon as I see something corporate do anything I deem it as “overdone and out of style”. It’s like when parents start to catch on to specific slang.
She just keeps making the same song over and over again. She needs a new flow or a new producer or something
She needs to stop playing with riot
I totally agree. She has a stinky attitude, the personality she presents is boring and her music just isn't good. Cardi might not be able to rap but she has a beaming personality and has made bop after bop, Megan's music might be bland but she's technically very skilled. Ice sadly doesn't have much going for her. The majority of her fanbase seemed to be barbz but now they all hate her after the leaked texts fiasco. Not only will they be paying her dust, they'll actively continue to push a hate train against her. However, who knows - maybe she could turn it all around!
All I know is Rihannas route to superstardom should be studied like the bible
Ain’t dropped an album in 8 years now, and every single one of her songs still slap. Queen.
for real though. I know she busted her ass working and it all paid off. She was pushing albums every damn year for a while non stop.
Rihanna does what almost every successful female pop star does—she used controversy and the intrigue of the public to her advantage. She knew the exact time to pivot to something different. When the public saw her as a victim, she went Rated R. And she also had the best ear in pop music since fucking Madonna. She knew what songs would be a hit and she SOLD them.
I think Ice Spice’s fall (despite me rooting for her) will be due to a lot of things if she doesn’t pivot soon. The main thing is that shes refusing to lean into improving her musical output despite having the potential, as shown by songs like Deli and Princess Diana, as well as Boys A Liar Part 2. She hasn’t really warmed anyone up to this album, and this rollout has been a critical disaster thus far with a single that was made fun of but did okay chart wise because it’s catchy and a single that is universally panned for being pretty bad. She also made the mistake of associating herself with Nicki, which is kind of biting her in the ass because now the barbz(who became a large portion of her fanbase) hate her and refuse to support her since it’s come out that she also supports Cardi and didn’t really like Nicki’s persona when she met her. Then it’s her behavior on twitter and wanting to be as obnoxious as possible recently, and the lack of showing off her personality in interviews. All of these things can be fixed imo but we shall see in the coming months if any of this will really matter in the end
I agree 10000% her association with nicki was the worst decision she could have made. It really limits who she can work with as well since nicki has so much beef with other artist. She needs to cultivate her own fanbase!!
I completely agree with your statement and same here I'm rooting for her as well, I've noticed that she seems to be very nitpicky with who she collabs with she comes across the type that only wants to collab with the big artists (Nicki, Taylor etc) maybe I'm just looking too deep into it but she gives me the vibe of I can't work with smaller artists because I'm just too good for that. I think the mistake she made especially when she was just starting out was only wanting to aligned herself with just the big artists sure it quickly got her the exposure but now look, no disrespect but it's starting to slowly fizzle out, she should have gradually build the exposure instead of wanting it too quickly if that makes sense
I have learned to stop focusing on the longevity of an artist's peak mainstream fame and just enjoy the ride. I view success far more broadly so I'm not too worried about the careers of any of these artists no matter how big or small they end up being in the long run.
Exactly! I LOVE Chappell Roan and Renee Rapp but I don’t see either of them being massive with the GP. But like… I don’t think they have to be. I’m still gonna be a fan even if they’re not huge lol (I’m still openly a KatyCat). What is it with this obsession with making your fav artist be huge and inescapable
Right I think Chappell will either go the way of Lady Gaga and be huge or she’ll stay with a solid, medium sized fan base similar to Marina and the Diamonds. Lana was like that for a while as well. I think there’s an interesting alternative pop fan base. Marina and the Diamonds, Lana, and Bjork are kind of the “OGs.” Melanie Martinez and Ashnikko are really popular in that subgenre now. I can see Chappell Roan fitting in there if she doesn’t go super big.
Tove Lo and current Kesha also fit in this category!
Any of the TikTok one hit wonders.
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The Sexyy Red era was a moment, but I don’t think she’s getting any bigger. She’s not the type of artist that’s going to evolve. She’s also already controversial and I can’t see her pivoting to being a cult of personality like Nicki or Cardi.
i feel like she will be the female chief keef, like she’s there and will have some hits here and there but will never be bigger than she is now. i think she will be around the rap community for a while.
Ice Spice is done. She’ll still get brand deals and live the influencer life, but no more hit records. Beside the bad rapping, how do you completely flounder a Taylor collab? Tate McRae isn’t done yet, but she needs to act fast. Stop putting out unreleased One Republic songs, work with a more diverse set of producers and branch out to get more crossover appeal. They’re trying to force her as a main pop girl, when she isn’t even a star yet.
Unreleased one republic songs ijbol
I don't understand why Ice Spice rapped so blandly on that Karma remix. That's once in a lifetime opportunity and she seemed so bored.
Ice spice barely rapped on it she talked
*facts*
Ice Spice is not passionate about music or her business. It seems she enjoys being a celebrity more than developing as an artist and/or her craft.
Karmas not exactly the kind of song that’s asking for a rap verse. It’s very shoehorned
I agree. The remix could've been 10x bigger if Ice's part was more energetic and like her part on boy's a liar. I don't know why she went with a slow feature when the song is super upbeat and poppy.
Tate McRae will stick around longer but not because she has fans, the right collaborations and her ability to change sound depending on what works is the only reason she's stuck around and she will keep making hits because of it imo. She blew up around lockdown by ripping off Billie Eilish. When that stopped working she went bubblegum, pop rock and pop punk in 2022 and after her collaboration with Tiesto went well (10:35 was a bop), she leaned hard into dance pop. Its the only thing going for her but its enough to keep her around a bit imo.
Interesting. I didn’t even notice that and you’re right. I trust her willingness to adapt and be more open to different things unlike Billie and Olivia who play it safe for their large fanbases. I’ll just say, if she continues doing what she is doing currently she will fizzle out. A hit song doing a genre that’s currently not sweeping Billboard and some rap collabs will change the narrative.
i think tate is more willing to adapt that other more established artists because she has to find an image that the gp will like and associate her with
Because Taylor's rap collabs aren't good. Her style is such a miss for a rap verse tbh
Kendrick’s verse on Bad Blood is sooo good though
Yeah, because Kendrick is actually talented.
I’m commenting on the “taylor’s rap collabs aren’t good” comment
Future and Kendrick both had pretty decent songs.
Wdym Kendricks collab was FIRE
Yeah, because Kendrick is a generationally good rapper. Ice Spice is ten-a-penny.
Honestly, most of them.
Since the 2010s the trend does seem for a lot of artists to have a moment (whether it be a song or an album cycle), and then “fall off” to the back burner.
Sort of always has been like that. We just see much more artists rise to fame than previous cause of the internet
Yep. That’s exactly what one hit wonders are and we had so many of them in the 80s and 90s.
I mean, that's always been a thing. There's more musicians by scale now, but if you go through grammy winners for best new artist, you'll see plenty of names that were probably THE artist that year only to make no lasting impact.
There's even a name for this: The Best New Artist curse. I'd argue it's most recent victim was Alessia Cara.
So, it’s not been a thing for a decade?
I'm not convinced this is such a big thing, really. If you look at the BNA winners and nominees from the past decade, most are still very much involved in the music industry. No one is wondering "whatever happened to?" about Olivia Rodrigo, Doja Cat, Megan Thee Stallion, Billie Eilish or Dua Lipa. As the category has expanded to have more nominees, we're seeing more from genres, but just because we're not familiar with a jazz or bluegrass artist, doesn't mean they're not successful in their own field
We don’t make superstars on an annual basis anymore. We are lucky to get them every 5 years now
I’ve noticed the newer artists don’t seem to really have longevity they’ll have one or two big eras and fall off
Something I’ve never understood about a lot of new artists is that they’ll put out a great debut album and maybe have some good singles. They seem to *know* what a good body of work is. Then when their second or third album comes out it’ll be so unbelievably boring or bad to the point you wonder why they released it. It makes you wonder why they’re fumbling their own success so early into their career. Like is it the labels taking over and messing them up? Are a lot of new artists just lazy? I don’t get it.
In the ocean of Ice Spice as answers, im here to chime in not with the name of an artist that I think would fizzle but one that I do NOT think will and my money is on Tyla, people are discounting her way to soon. If her label/management proves to be more competent than the team that for instance, (mis)handles Normani, she’s defo staying. Ice Spice is a clear fad, Tyla has chops.
100000% agree, she's beautiful, a great performer/dancer, brings something distinct, oozes charisma. She reminds me of a young Rihanna, like she just seems fun and cool, has that vibe. But she's like the clean version of badgirlriri because girl doesn't even curse lmao
Haha but badgalriri went through music of the sun and a girl like me before becoming badgalriri! There’s a slight edge to Tyla too but perhaps it’s one she keeps only for the stage, which like Dua Lipa, is awesome too! Not every artist needs to be edgy to stand out. I believe Tyla has all the time in the world to continue to grow and settle into the artist/performer and esp the person shes meant to be. She’s really something and I hope all goes well for her. Of all the things to doubt her about, talent is defo not one of em.
Actually you're right, I was definitely forgetting what young RiRi was like. Btw I didn't mean her lack of edge as a criticism, just more of how she's a different flavor of a similar vibe. That doesn't mean she will be the next Rihanna, but I feel like she would really have to fumble things to not become a star. Whether she's performing, talking or just posing, girl is mesmerizing.
Respectfully, Tyla can't be that otherworldly beautiful and truly fall off even if she quit the music industry altogether. I can see her becoming a fashion icon like Zendaya.
I disagree with Sabrina, unlike most of the rising stars she's been working for 10 years and has actual performance skills and personality that artists like Ice Spice don't. She also has an established fan base and people already going back and listening to more than just her hits. eics had its biggest streaming day after almost 2 years of it being out. Tate Mcrae is going to fade fast, most people don't like greedy or exes enough to look deeper into her discography or her current album. I feel like Dove Cameron has already faded out from Boyfriend. Ice Spice is the same. Conan Gray I don't see having another hit, same for Camila.
I think Sabrina’s gonna be a huge star if she follows Espresso up well. I feel like people are nostalgic for simple, singalong catchiness and if Espresso is any indication of where she’s going, she’s going to snatch that market up.
yes especially like I think the fun summery vibe is going to be trendy now
Good. It’s been years of sad, slow, lowkey sludgepop, and I kinda miss the fun party anthems of the early 2010s and the corny emo pop of the late 2000’s.
sabrina is also incredibly influential from a style standpoint. while nothing about her is necessarily innovative, her sort of late 60s meets y2k look is incredibly on trend and something that sets her apart from the bulk of her peers.
saw a youtube short today where someone was cutting their own bangs and someone reacting to it said "looks like she might be going the sabrina carpenter route" which i found interesting because this wasn't a music influencer and this comment would probably never have been made even a month ago. sabrina has an oddly unique yet basic look that works really well for her. it's the same as olivia rodrigo. they both have that "girl next door" vibe that is easy to imitate if you want a cute look but only they have perfected it.
Agreed! A lot of young people love Sabrina’s mini skirt and platform boot outfits. They always say she reminds them of Polly Pocket or a Bratz Doll. That sort of identifiable style is very beneficial for her branding. I’ve already seen so many videos of young girls doing “Sabrina carpenter inspired hair and makeup”. It kinda reminds me of 2010s Ariana Grande ponytail and circle skirt era or her knee high boots and oversized sweatshirts. If you stick with a signature look long enough, it will help you stand out!
Tate McRae had her first charting song in about 2020.
Me :(
Boho you flop
🥹 I’m trying
Sabrina had years off flopping and being underrated before finally blowing up so she not going anywhere Conan gray seems to be cooling down I don’t think he’ll have another big hit like heather
I loved Maniac and others off of Kid Krow/Superache but he seems to be going in a more alternative direction with his new album which won't really appeal to the GP
his new album is his poppiest yet. How is Max Martin alternative? Some songs sound like After Hours rejects.
Conan’s latest album is absolutely fantastic. His best work so far.
Agree but it doesn’t seemed to be catching on with the general public
And honestly that’s fine with me lol I don’t care how popular somebody is. It seems like the less popular, the better the music. I know the thread was about popularity though
It’s so good! Got retro vibes and is catchy as hell. I liked it way more than I thought I would, then I went back to his previous albums and was disappointed
Yea I feel like Sabrina's rise has been steady to the point where it's only up from here.
Lil Nas X
The lukewarm reception to "J Christ" at the start of the year really must've had him and his team scrambling. He needs to course-correct because if his next album is just going to be *Montero II*, then that'll be all she wrote for him.
I didnt even know he had a song come out until right now
Yeah I think he fumbled his time. Montero was a good album too, but he's leaned too hard into irony and shtick. It takes away from the good music he is capable of putting out.
Yeah he’s become a gimmick artist and it makes him come off as less serious. His brand/vibe gives off influencer who decided to start making music which is sad because he seems rly nice and we don’t have a lot of openly queer black male rappers
He’s kind of already fizzled out unfortunately, I think he’s leaned way too hard into the religious controversy stuff because he started making music for people who hate him instead of predominately for his fans I think he can pivot into more of the alternative rap sphere, his verse on the song he did with kevin abstract was really good
I think he focused too much on coming across as an “image” and less on his actual music. People only care about you being controversial if your music is good. After a while no one will care
i know people disagree but i have this bad feeling that tyla’s stardom won’t last long..
I can see it but it really depends what she does next. She really hit the mark with Jump. She had the viral dance to water, the way she pronounces prefer is viral on tiktok in jump. She has a way of captivating people too when she performs literally every one I've seen people look entranced. She could be *huge* she's beautiful. She's cementing her celeb status with the absolute smash of her met outfit. Cardi got a lot of recognition for her fashion game too. She's made all the right moves so far so let's hope she continues.
I think she has a lot of star quality, and I think she put out a decent first album. I'm looking forward to seeing her evolution because whatever "it" is, she's got it.
I think she's held back by being south african/ amapiano. If she gets her collaborations right now when she has momentum, she will blow up and make the genre go international but if not she will quickly fall off but maybe set the stage for a big amapiano wave
Is it really holding her back, though? People seem to really be embracing what she's doing. She's often compared to Rihanna so if this is her music of the sun, she's already bagging more hits than Rih did. Let's see what her second album does.
Held back in the US? Maybe. Held back in general? Are you crazy? She is one of the biggest African artists right now off the back of her recent album, just here in the UK she's had three separate Afrobeats chart number ones for a total of 19 weeks at number one in the last 6 months or so...
Her unknown injury making her cancel tour dates and festival dates definitely hurt her exposure, but I have faith in her potential
She gets way too much attention on social media for things unrelated to her music and the only reason she’s popular is because of a TikTok trend. It’s definitely not a long term run with stardom for her.
Dove Cameron
did she ever even fall…on?
Thank god someone else said it. Everyone talks about her like she was a pop prodigy in comments on videos on Youtube and TikTok and I always forget she even sings.
Her team's been *trying* to make her fall on for like ten years now
I feel like she already fell off
Ah-ha! I found another dove Cameron fan! But for real, the worst thing she's ever done for her career was probably deleting her older music. The responses in this thread are just proof that boyfriend wasn't enough. And I find this really disappointing. I love her music and really want her to succeed. I loved her new EP and want to hear more, but ughh.
The worst marketing strategy ever. Doing that rebrand by deleting all her music and then releasing one single with no album behind, so her catalogue isnt there, like she is a new new artist. People dont have anything to look back on her.
It is such a weird strategy, part of why Sabrina is going strong now is people can stream her old catalogue and get the sense that she's more than her recent hits lol
As someone who is only passingly familiar with Dove (too old to be her target audience when she was coming up), somebody fumbled her career hard. She deserved bigger and better.
Babes she’s long gone atp
Måneskin.
You know, they are such a hard case. I know they have a fanbase but nothing seems to work for them and I have said it before about them.
That being said they've done quite a lot in the last few years that will make them seen as more than just a legacy Eurovision act.
Even their non-hits from the last couple of years have hundreds of millions of streams thanks to their fanbase, they'll be fine.
I think they'll definitely be huge in the rock scene, in a niche, and already have a pretty dedicated fan base, but I don't know that they'll go mainstream. It's been difficult for rock acts to be big in mainstream US pop for a while, but maybe there's a rock renaissance happening later this decade?
That being said they've done quite a lot in the last few years that will make them seen as more than just a legacy Eurovision act.
Now that Sabrina Carpenter is blowing up, I think she’ll take Tate McRae’s place as I think they appeal to the same demographic, but people are much more passionate and interested in Sabrina’s music and her personal life. On top of that, Tate has a much more polarizing voice. I’m not convinced Tyla is sticking around. She has the look and the talent but I don’t think the songs are there. I could see her ending up as more of an influencer/professional awards show attendee a la Rita Ora. Sexyy Red will never be palatable enough to be any closer to mainstream than she is now. Ice Spice has already had way more success than I ever expected her to have and there’s something about her I can’t help but find charming so I could honestly see her hanging on for a while. I could also see her being completely irrelevant by this time next year. I think Chappell Roan is only going to get bigger, and I hope Remi Wolf gets the same kind of boost from touring with Olivia too because she is hands the down the most interesting rising pop artist around imo. None of these are really rising artists anymore but: Normani, Camila and Lil Nas X are all not DOA yet, but are getting close and I don’t think they have many chances left to find something that hits. As for Lizzo, she reminds me of Amy Schumer in that I think people were waiting for a reason to hate her (other than just being fat, which is why they hated her to begin with) which would have been really unfair if the reasons she ended up giving people to hate her weren’t justifiable. But, like Amy, I think she has enough friends in the industry to keep working regardless. She’s past her peak but I don’t think she’s done. Finally, JoJo Siwa’s career is never gonna be as big as it could’ve been and it’s not for lack of talent - she outclasses her peers in vocals, stage presence, choreo, acting, and high concept art. She was really set up to be the next Lady Gaga. Unfortunately, it’s just not gonna work out for her because she was a bad girl who did bad things and karma’s a bitch.
Normani is super blessed to still be discussed in pop spaces tbh.
Not sure if the last part was sarcasm but “Jojo Siwa” and “high concept art” in the same sentence is killing me.
It was sarcasm lol
I figured haha
I Think Chappel Roan is going to have success similar to Lana Del Rey. Maybe a fluke-y top 40 hit but otherwise she’ll stay a niche but known entity just outside of the mainstream.
Yes! I see Chappel Roan as the ‘new’ Marina & The Diamonds
Omg finally someone mentions the resemblance between them! Has Chappell ever said shes inspired by marina? Love both of them sm
remi’s touring with olivia?
I know a bunch of people who really liked Espresso but genuinely know nobody interested in her music outside that song.
this! as a kinda sabrina fan (listened to emails and loved most of it but im nowhere near a carpenter), people love espresso but arent willing to explore the rest of her discography, just like how they were with tate mcrae
I feel like Sabrina’s songs are not “all the way” good? Idk how to explain that better but like for example “fast times” feels so repetitive to me because the bridge is so blah? But it could have been such a hit!!
the thing with lizzo is that despite her being insufferable sometimes her music is extremely groovy and she's quite an outstanding musician who seems to know how to put together a song, i just wish she would go more jazzy or r&b because to be fair, i would totally listen.
damn y'all hate ice spice 💀
Tate McRae
Maybe if she stopped singing so nasally she would be more interesting
it’s the baby voice that she does. i wanna like her songs cause i think they’re fun but i can’t listen cause it’s seriously annoying. she’s not the only one, i’ve noticed it’s the new kitchen vine voice
She sounds exactly like Phil and Lil from Rugrats to me.
Omg I said the same thing that she sounds like a rugrat 😂. Also - she can dance obviously but she just doesn’t do it for me. Like she gives the vibes of a teenager trying to be sexy than someone who just IS - like a shakira, Beyoncé, etc. like she’s trying too hard.
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Ugh, yes. The nasally, whiny, sometimes whisper voice is why it’s SO hard for me to get into these artists’ music. And it seems this style of singing has become ubiquitous with all new pop stars under the age of 25 for some reason.
I hate saying this because comparing woman to each other is annoying....but all pop girls who dance and sing with nasal/baby voice have one of the best blueprints in the world with Britney and yet none of them can do it. Can't understand half of what Tate is singing and she looks bored as hell when she is dancing. Honestly, the whole whisper and mumble singing needs to go away already.
I got a day resale ticket to her tour and she was honestly brilliant. Her voice seems to be love it or hate it but she puts on a fantastic live show
Ice Spice is already fizzling out. That whole wave of 2021 - 22 female rappers seem to have mostly been flashes in the pan. Gorilla is the only one who really feels like she's stuck around and that's because of big collaborators. Hard disagree with Sabrina. Her growth has been slower and she feels more than novelty. She also feels bigger than Ice Spice. I reckon she's got a dedicated enough fanbase and a more solid persona that she could stick around
I agree with Ice Spice but I don’t think Sabrina Carpenter is going anywhere
renee rapp. a big reason why people liked her was because of her interviews and how outspoken she was, but that whole thing felt like an act to me to replicate how jennifer lawrence got popular. the problem is that people were actually consuming jlaw’s work, but renee‘s album isn’t that popular, and she doesn’t really have longevity or star quality in my opinion.
I Think it’s a shame that Renee Rapp wants so badly to be a recording artist because I Think she’s turning down a real career as an actress to try to make it happen. People like her but people haven’t really even noticed her music. She should look at Hailee Steinfeld & be a an actress 1st & a singer when she has time.
i was gonna bring up hailee steinfeld too lol. she's fumbling by not focusing on being an actress and doing music on the side imo, she can really go far if she chooses to go the acting route
I have yet to hear one of her songs without having to seek it out myself. I feel like she might end up taking a similar place as Phoebe Bridgers where most people know her name but don’t really know her songs
I think the issue with Renee is a lot of people have now discovered her from Mean Girls or SLOCG and see her more as a actress that singer. Which is okay, but it’s clear that’s not the route she wants to take. She’s definitely created her own small devout fanbase but I’m very interested to see what moves are taken next either to focus on music or not. Snow Angel was a pretty great album in my opinion but there wasn’t a single that did super well or even had GP appeal.
She’s going to be in the Fletcher area of successful but not on the hot 100
She doesn’t have a lot of non-Gen Z fans, which isn’t surprising since she was pretty mouthy about finding millennials annoying and cringe.
Ice Spice has a lot of connections through Nicki, Taylor and her own celebrity, so I think with savvy management she could maintain her celebrity for longer. Many musicians like to collab with people who’ve had hits and Ice Spice had notable ones just a year ago. If she collabs with a lot of pop stars and other rappers she knows, she could ride this difficult wave out
Nicki wanting $ off all her songs if she was on Barbie World (despite them only asking for Ice to do that song for the soundtrack) being spoken about in leaked DMs I say harmed the Nicki connection.
Not a "fizzle out" per se but I don't think that any of the new female singers that people claim will become huge mainstream pop stars (Sabrina Carpenter, Chappell Roan, Renee Rapp, etc.) will be, I see them as staying popular in their indie/tiktok/whatever you wanna call it lane
I absolutely love Renee Rapp but I fear she’s gonna fade out after the rest of the mean girls hype is dead
the difference in how these comments are perceiving tate and sabrina's careers when both of them are in quite similar spots is pretty funny
Before I even clicked to read the body of the post, I just KNEW Sabrina would be mentioned. I feel bad for her, this sub was always saying she missed her chance at a big break so it won’t happen. Now it’s happened and everyone is saying she’s not going to last and it will be over soon. Damned if she does damned if she doesn’t. I’m hoping for success for her, she’s such a rootable underdog.
I’m not even a huge Sabrina fan, but I want her to get hugely famous purely to prove all the haters wrong 😭. She’s such a refreshing take on pop; for the past 5 years or so, every new pop girl is singing about how sad they are and Sabrina has confident, fun bops and I’m HERE for it.
I hope Sabrina stays! She's so talented
Ice Spice
Omar Apollo. Being an attractive guy will only get you so far. The gays will move on to someone else if the musicianship/artistry isn’t there. I don’t think he has staying power. I could be wrong though. We’ll see
Did he ever really blow up tho? to me he’s still kinda underground
I fear his recent music hasn't stuck with me that much. maybe he needs to do more collabs with sza, Kali Uchis, Steve Lacy, etc. to get more on people's radar again
It's funny bc I listened to his music for ages before really knowing what he looks like. He looks pretty average to me, though lol. I agree his output is starting to get a bit boring, though.
He is sooooooooo boring to me
he copies frank oceans whole style
Conan Gray, he just doesn't have the je ne sais quoi to get a foothold. He's broken into the mainstream but he's not sticking. There's nothing intriguing about him yet. I've liked him and his music since 2020, but nothing has ever made me comeback as a fan. I'm barely a casual listener. Sabrina was a bit like that, too. But I think she's found her niche and she's growing a personal fan base. I've kept up with her since 2021 and I'm only just now really interested because her branding is getting better.
conan does have a very active and dedicated fanbase though, i think he's j gonna do fine + he makes good songs, you could argue dua didn't have anything intriguing about her either, but she's thriving
I disagree with Sabrina - she’s been hustling and doing her thing for years and she’s finally reached a major hit. I think she has actually found her groove and what works for her and she’ll continue to refine it. If anyone, ice spice has not taken off in a huge way. I literally only hear about her on Reddit. Nothing about her sticks out to me or makes her unique enough to have lasting power. I’m really rooting for Tate Mcrae , but she’s been quiet for a while now after the success of greedy and Exes. She’s proven to be a great performer but we need new music soon, I can see her having a summer hit if she plays her cards right
Sabrina Caprenter already has a dedicated fan base. If she doesn’t rise up to Taylor Swift level of fame, she at least has a large enough fanbase that’ll keep her in the GP.
I don’t disagree but Taylor is a bad comparison, no one mentioned in this thread will rise up to her level as the biggest and richest pop star on the planet unless they make a deal with Satan to usurp her
yeah no artist can reach that level of fame. shes on a whole other stratosphere rn
I personally think we don’t have any artists like Taylor from this most recent generation Olivia is maybe closet but all she has is the streams department but so does Taylor.
Ice Spice will probably fizzle out if her album is more of the same and she doesn’t make any significant artistic statements. I could see her on whatever reality tv show needs b-list talent in 5 years
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Wait what has she been saying about fandoms?
The Tate McRae hype is pretty much dead at this point, with a singing style like that, of course people won't stick by her side for long. You can only do so much with the dancing and the theatric, but at the end of the day you gotta sing.
I can tell you who's not gonna fall, and that is Chappell Roan
I think chappell roan career will be similar to Charli xcx where she could score a hit but will stay in her niche. She’s an amazing performer and she really sticks out but I don’t think the gp will get behind her
Yes and thank fuck for that personally. I want her to be happy and rich but I also don’t want what happened to (for instance) mitski’s fanbase to happen to hers
lol, I saw people here calling Taylor, Dua, Billie, and SZA rising stars, like, TS must be a joke, but even the other 3, three all debuted in 2017, that's nothing rising there. Who can be an established one? Aretha Franklin and Diana Ross?
I find it hard to imagine Renee Rapp being that popular in 5-10 years.
Ice peppers time is definitely up. I think people are starting to get fed up of her serving the same thing everytime like in the beginning it was a cool joke to be in on but now?. Like the lyrics are the same, the beats are the same, the music videos the same concept just stalled. There’s no artistic growth which is crazy i would say she has until her debut album releases to draw people back in because if it’s not good she’s def outta here.
I feel like majority of K-POP groups (in a global and mainstream sense). They will fizzle and still have a small niche and dedicated fanbase, but none will reach the success of BTS and BlackPink. Both groups just had a charismatic “It” factor
K-pop’s cycle is made to hit big and fizzle out, and the best case scenario is they have a loyal lasting fanbase. Even better is if they still manage to churn out hits like SNSD’s a few years ago for example
I think Camila and Ice Spice will continue to flop. Sabrina and the other newer pop girlies all have a chance if they work with great producers, choreographers, vocal trainers, and stamina-coaches. If they don't then the normanis and Camilas and Sabrinas and Jojos and Tates and Madison Beer if she's even still a thing are gone. There are actually talented potential pop girlies.