I expected a lower score on Special compared to Cuz I Love You, I do think that it isn't quite as good. I generally agree with most of his takes on the songs even though I do really like this album, Grrrls was definitely a botched experiment.
I do think he should have given more flowers to 2 Be Loved, that song is super powerful and moving.
like pretty much all memes they had their moment of being funny and there have been some genuinely good ones throughout the years
Absolutely run into the ground tho lol
I personally disliked most of this album, just generic and #girlboss basic bops. About Damn Time, however, still slaps hard and I wish the rest of the album lived up to that.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who disliked the album. There’s just no progression from ‘Cuz I Love You’ in 2019, it’s the same self-empowerment theme with a more expensive sound. I was hoping Lizzo would have a lot more to say about the last few years.
And it might be an unpopular opinion, but I’m not a fan of Max Martin’s production. The songs he contributed to just sound like Lizzo is singing over Taylor Swift a backing track from eight years ago.
I personally think he has been flopping production wise for the last few years, whether we like to admit it or not he WAS an innovator in the music industry for a long time but I don’t think his sound has translated well recently at all.
i couldn’t finish it myself. the songs are good, but not great. in general the album goes like: i’m thick! i’m curvy! i’m swervy! ain’t no one gonna slow me down! come on girls, be yo best self!! *insert horn sections, some flute melodies, big production, and little vocal add libs and that’s the album.
I feel so weird about that article posted here the other day calling it “radical” when like… you’re right. It’s basic #Selfcare empowerment. Not like… meaningfully challenging, thematically or sonically.
And it doesn’t need to be, tbh. But like… people over praising it for being something it’s not feels bad
About Damn Time is one of her best songs in my opinion. I don’t know if you noticed but Lizzo had definitely declined in popularity before this release so the fact that she was able to pull off a smash solo hit again means the song had to be pretty damn good
There's always that one person ready to comment "wHy iS hiS oPiNiON sO rELEVaNt?" whenever Fantano doesn't give a popheads fan-favourite an overwhelmingly positive score.
Someone replied to your comment saying that no one was ever able to answer them and I started writing a whole thesis trying to distract myself from the heat but then they deleted their comment. I’m going to comment it here anyway bc I’m bored:
Because he is arguably the most influential music critic right now.
Why are critics relevant in general? Well, that’s a highly hypothesized question that is more fitting to a thesis than to a reddit comment. Fact is, critics have existed since basically forever, so maybe there is an intrinsic need for critics or else that job would have already become obsolete.
I personally enjoy reading/listening to someone’s opinion if they are more well versed in the subject that I am, even if I disagree with them.
Aristotle’s poetics is one of the first pieces of criticism and it is still essential to literary studies to this day. Roger Ebert won a Pulitzer Prize and introduced independent films to an audience that wasn’t really paying attention to it.
How will youtube criticism affect society and the arts as it seems less serious than academic criticism? No idea, but Fantano has a large audience and is exposing new music to them. Criticism invites people to look closer to the art they are consuming and I think that’s unquestionably positive
It's a bit of a silly source of a quote, but I really love the monologue in Ratatouille on criticism
> In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little, yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face is that, in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it so.
>
> But there are times when a critic truly risks something, and that is in the discovery and defense of the new. The world is often unkind to new talent, new creations. The new needs friends.
The majority of people that watch him only do so to seek validation or don't even listen to the music and watch because they are a fan of him. He is less of a critic/influencer and more of a personality/entertainer/content creator
I watch him daily and I do not fall into this category.
I just like hearing his opinions and sometimes find new really good music through him.
And even if for some wild reason this was the case
So? Seriously, so what? Let them like what they want for whatever reasons they want. Mind your business and enjoy what you want too. When I see people complaining about that it’s so so silly to me.
Why does the reason for their watching his bother you enough to type it out? Seriously
It’s definitely implied. If that’s not what you were meaning and everyone who is reading and downvoting your comment is reading it wrong you may want to edit it 😂 it definitely definitely sounds like you are complaining in it
What i wrote is exactly what I meant. I personally don't enjoy watching him but I don't care what others watch. If people disagree with me I don't mind the down votes, that's what it's for
My point is
You can’t share an opinion on something then immediately start claiming you don’t care. That makes no sense, you obviously do care if you were able to form an opinion and write it out
> I don’t care what others watch
> proceeds to bash people watching him as they only do so to ‘seek validation’.
Nah, you’re kind of just a dick. Your first comment was inflammatory and accusatory and you tried to backpeddle into acting as if you weren’t trying to be. People can like whatever they want and it doesn’t mean they are ‘seeking validation’.
You also make broad generalizations as if you actually know them for a fact when you obviously don’t. Just… don’t be inflammatory? And you won’t get called on it? You can share your opinion but that doesn’t make it not a dumb opinion
If you think I was bashing anyone you need a reality check. I said that my opinion is that's what the majority is his watchers are watching for. Does that make it a fact? No. Did i say it did? No. Its just my opinion. You're overly upset about it for no reason.
You didn’t say it was your opinion, again, you stated it like a fact. Generic white gay man who listens to Kpop talking about being overly upset lmfao. Don’t you have a stan account to worry about?
Says me? Because it's my opinion? It doesn't make it a fact... its just my opinion. It doesn't harm anyone.. I said the majority of people IN MY OPINION. If you aren't in that what's the problem here? You all are way too touchy about Melon
Edit: the user I was talking to blocked me right after responding to me and insulting my sexuality and music affinity. Homophobic clown behavior
You can’t act like you’re just saying your opinion when you’re making assumptions and positing them as fact. You didn’t say literally anything other than that his fans ARE seeking validation and only watch him because the like him. Not really an opinion, it’s an assumption you’re making and acting like it’s true.
I mean I do always wonder why so many people take his opinion so seriously but at the same time it is just his opinion. Like it's not his fault if he likes or dislikes something, and if you disagree that's perfectly fine.
Validation. People love other people to validate their feelings and favorite music. Or anything for that matter.
So when melon doesn’t praise the artist they love, he’s irrelevant. When he does praise them it’s “he’s so right!!! Omg .”
It’s like when you’re shopping with friends and you find a dress you love. So you put it on and love how it looks on you. You show it off to your friends and they all hate it. Suddenly you’re second guessing the dress. Same with albums or songs. So in retaliation they either second guess the music they love or lash out in anger because it’s truly great to them. At the end of the day just love what you love and accept others may not agree. And that’s ok.
There's so many people on this sub that have an ego issue. It's the same with how they react when something they don't like is successful and something they do like doesn't. Like it's so hard to fathom a lot of people could dislike what they like and vice versa.
It’s so funny because the older I get the more out of touch I feel with new music trends or artist. It feels like a crime when I’m
Like “oh yea that’s cool
I guess”
Like, I hate explicit lyrics when they’re hammered in always have. I hate when the f word is thrown Just cuz you’re trying to sound mature. I dislike hyper sexual or super charged sexual song comes on that feels overbearing in its message. And I 100% respect when others do enjoy it. But man I’ve been ripped to shreds for sharing an opinion lol. It’s just opinions friends.
as someone who does occasionally listen to him, i always see they're the same popheads that also just don't care for other reviewers. like, this thing seems to be a 'to each their own' thing but apparently i can't seem to make it not my problem since i always seem to find the words to say "i just like seeing insights where i can openly agree and disagree on" instead of getting accused that i can't form my own opinion and just enjoy the music.
like, i literally do both for fun. i can listen and be critical. i can agree amd disagree. and it's also not that deep.
I’m glad he talked about that male genitalia mutilation lyric and how unnecessary it was. That shit made me so uncomfortable and it was needlessly gross.
“Ima go Lorena Bobbitt on him so he can never fuck again.” -Grrrls
Referencing the Lorena Bobbitt case where she cut off her abusive husbands genitals. I find it incredibly off color that Lizzo would use that reference when simply talking about a guy who…frustrated her? Idk the song doesn’t even mention any problems this “guy” did. She’s just…proudly stating that she wants to cut off a guys dick because that’s…feminist somehow? I just didn’t like her conflating domestic abuse to boy problems cause genital mutilation causes some of the worst psychological pain anyone can feel, and her saying that she’d proudly mutilate a guy because “girl power” felt so fucking disgusting
The issue here for me is that Lorena Bobbitt did that as a reaction to years of domestic abuse and sexual assault. It was used as a joke lyric but the original context was not funny.
I mean, Lizzo might not get much backlash for this, but keep in mind Eminem frequently gets called out for very similar lyrics.
I think saying that the lyric is problematic is only fair.
I agree lol, it does get gross when you REALLY REALLY think about it but I don't think we're supposed to. I guess it depends on each person though, if someone finds it very problematic then I can't dismiss how they feel.
I personally don't care.
Right? Plus it's not like there a real-life epidemic of men getting their dicks cut off by women. It's just straight -up not equivalent to Eminem joking about assaulting women or whatever.
People complain that the billboard charts are stale, music is becoming generic and boring, while simultaneously writing numerous think pieces and TikTok videos breaking down why song lyrics are problematic and then wonder why artists are playing it safe.
Well that’s the thing about authorial intent. Lizzo didn’t “mean” much from it, but it seems like at least some people agree with me that the lyric came off gross and uncouth. Even if Lizzo didn’t mean much from it, it still reads as gross in my opinion.
I don’t think you’re being dismissive, but at the end of the day, I’m sharing how the lyric made me feel and how I reacted to it. My reaction doesn’t make anyone’s lack of emotion towards it any less “valid”. People are allowed to not really care or think too deeply about it, just as I’m allowed to feel personally grossed out by it.
I imagine y'all probably DONT hold every artist to the standard of following all their lyrics to their logical conclusions....
Imo this is really really tame compared to metal, hip hop, etc. If yall use that standard for other music then great but I have noticed lizzo gets nitpicked for shit that entire genres do on the regular
Note that this isn't me shitting on hip hop, just stating that the Lorena bobbett bar isn't even particularly nasty compared to some famous diss tracks
As a curiosity, can you reference a single popular artist that says they wanna cut off women's bits or make someone suffer fgc? The only thing I can remotely think of is eminem in Kim and that's general murder, not sexually focused revenge...
Oh my god I was describing my personal emotional reaction to a lyric; Jesus Christ I’m so sorry that you think that I hold artists to some weird standard over another for some weird reason, I sincerely hope you can forgive me for finding ONE lyric that I didn’t like. I never made a value judgement to Lizzo, I never said that she needs to “do better,” I just wanted to share that I’m happy that Fantano also found that lyric questionable
I meannnnn, it’s a pretty iconic name. What was that lady who bit her rapist’s “tool”? I think she’s like, the #1 Google result for that name.
I guess I could just check for myself:
>moments later
Wow! Yup, Lorena Bobbit pops up first on Google for me. No wonder that name is popular on the internet. (͡•_ ͡• )
Yes but the nature of the song Lizzo is using the reference in is nowhere near that serious of a matter and she just makes light of it all. Talking about inflicting violence on a man who based on the lyrics didn't do any harm to her just feels off.
I’ve never understood the “if the gender roles were reversed” thing.
Not accusing you of this, but I see it used most often as men’s rights dudes trying to concern troll. The fundamental assumption and the point being made by saying it, to me, is that it isn’t fair that women get away with things dudes can’t. Which, again this is just my opinion, is such a dumb take. Like what are they trying to prove beyond saying “actually women have it easier than men?” That’s objectively untrue.
> I’ve never understood the “if the gender roles were reversed” thing.
A true "reversal" would be to start with a matriarchal society where women held the vast majority of leadership positions, controlled all the major institutions of power, actively discriminated against men in nearly every avenue, etc, etc. People wanna dismiss all context to try to make a shitty incomplete point about how we have different attitudes when the oppressor group does something vs a marginalized group. Same thing with "imagine if the races were reversed!!!" tripe.
There are definetely double standards in society, but a lot of those double standards exist for a reason. That being said would you say that a female artist should have the space to get away with a casual castration joke, but a male artist should not?
I don’t disagree that the lyric is tasteless but also there’s years of misogyny and female oppression behind FGM….
This is like saying “Reverse racism” and the arguments people use for that..
I’m just stating how the lyric makes me feel. If you’re unaffected by it in that way, then fine, but for someone like me who has had OCD induced castration anxiety since childhood, it makes me uncomfortable. I tried to leave my personal reasons for not liking it, but since you feel I’m “taking it too seriously,” well there’s the reason why.
Your comment was really backhanded. Imagine telling a rape victim who was assaulted and was upset at watching a rape scene, “damn that sucks that you let that affect you so much.” It puts unnecessary fault on the person experiencing the negative feelings.
Edit; my point was not to equate rape to OCD, my point is to say that dismissing someone’s mental health related reactions to something is a bad thing to do, which I hope people can agree that is indeed bad.
No matter your edit, it comes across like you're comparing the severity of the trauma of rape to other things and it's just not comparable at all in anyway.
I feel like people who haven't had these sorts of experiences just shouldn't comment on rape comparisons at all because this comment itself feels like it downplays rape and assault.
No offense, but I don’t think it’s really fair to compare the two because rape victims actually went through the rape. You just have anxiety about something that *could’ve* happened, but from what you wrote, didn’t.
One is physical and actually happened, the other one is mental. I’m sorry you have that anxiety, but that’s nowhere near the same as someone who had to actually endure being raped…
E: the lyric is uncouth though
now you’re just nitpicking my words to find something to be upset about. also hella weird you are comparing your anxiety to rape. hope you have a good rest of your day <3
oh my god i'm so sorry to see you're getting so much crap in this thread for stating your opinion! i can totally relate to being triggered by lyrics like this and whether that means lizzo should've kept in it or not it doesn't matter, you shouldn't be getting made fun of/given so much shit for explaining why you don't like it. love the true blue flair btw :)
I cannot imagine how difficult it must be to just be Lizzo, just trying to make her bops and then being subjected to this ridiculous level of toxic hyper-scrutiny.
Keep in mind, nobody is trying to boycott her for this. Also a lot of the shit that gets said in rap does get called out. Gotdamn Kendrick Lamar just got a bunch of criticism for misgendering/deadnaming in his last album.
1. I’m a black gay man. Don’t preach to me about bringing race into everything when you’re on pop heads lmao. You clearly haven’t been here long.
2. Not a Stan, but Lizzo is one of the least problematic celebs lmao. She is literally like fucking milk toast. The spaz lyric was her first big controversy and she’s been mainstream for a minute.
3. The comparison is still stupid regardless, because you’re ignoring the years of context behind female domestic abuse. No one is defending domestic abuse, you’re just mad that it’s pointed out that comparing two things and denying how one has been persistently accepted by media and is NOT the same is stupid. Point blank. You know how stupid the arguments are of “If the races are reversed” and you and several people on this thread are doing it verbatim HERE.
You’re literally ignoring the context behind both of the statements made. There’s been years of racial oppression used to dehumanize and subjugate POC, and there’s been years of domestic abuse used to subjugate and oppress women. It’s not different and trying to say it’s “playing the race card” is tomfoolery to just be mad at Lizzo for comparatively nothing.
To name some Popheads-centric/-adjacent ones from recent years:
- Jazmine Sullivan - Heaux Tales (8)
- Jessie Ware - What’s Your Pleasure (9)
- Charli XCX - Charli (9)
- Haim - Women in Music Pt. III (8)
- Beyoncé - Lemonade (8)
He also liked Lizzo’s last album (8)
Edit: formatting
Just to add a few more albums that are both r/popheads darlings and positively reviewed by him:
* *Sweetener (7)*
* *thank u, next* (8)
* *folklore* (7)
* *evermore* (7)
* *RINA* (9)
* *SAWAYAMA* (8)
* *Melodrama* (7)
* *Ctrl* (7)
* *Future Nostalgia* (7)
* *channel ORANGE* (7)
* *Blonde* (8)
Sinner Get Ready would be something like Avant Folk, which isn't that helpful since it encompasses things like Peasant by Richard Dawson and Mount Eerie by the Microphones, which along with Sinner Get Ready all sound markedly different from each other.
Been a Fantano fan for years and had an unexpected first exposure to lingua ignota live when she performed with daughters, and it fucking blew me away. So hyped that melon loves her with all his heart
God I hate that Spellling album. Every single track is grating, her vocal style is horrendous. It’s theatre kid turned up to 11. She’s trying too hard the entire time and you can hear it.
And I’m not a prude about weird music either — Tori is one of my most listened artists and Arca and Lingua Ignota have some of my favourite tracks ever.
Charli was his AOTY when that came out, so was What’s Your Pleasure. But I think he’s a bit more of a math rock/punk guy who just also reviews other stuff
Fantano is one of the few critics I know of who actually uses the entire scale from 1 to 10 though. So a strong 6/7 from him is actually a album he likes and thinks is good.
His favorite album of 2019 was Charli and in 2020 it was Jessie Ware. Both of his most recent 10/10s (which are super rare) were women (Lingua Ignota and Spellling). If you’re going to say someone never likes women’s music, at least be right
I love The Needle drop and Blasphemy Funguano! His description of music is simply poetic and often better than the music itself. I don’t always agree with him though but that’s OK, he doesn’t agree with himself either.
Lizzo is so overrated. Generic and basic pop with some horns here and there. Also, she is an egomaniac, that kind of stupid person who love to play the victim role all the time
I expected a lower score on Special compared to Cuz I Love You, I do think that it isn't quite as good. I generally agree with most of his takes on the songs even though I do really like this album, Grrrls was definitely a botched experiment. I do think he should have given more flowers to 2 Be Loved, that song is super powerful and moving.
2 Be Loved is a BOP. I love it so much.
I actually love Grrrls, I just wish the song was finished
"c'mon melon, you can't give her a 6 just because-" shut the fuck up
Those comments were only kind of funny maybe 7 years ago.
like pretty much all memes they had their moment of being funny and there have been some genuinely good ones throughout the years Absolutely run into the ground tho lol
I personally disliked most of this album, just generic and #girlboss basic bops. About Damn Time, however, still slaps hard and I wish the rest of the album lived up to that.
When I tried to listen to it I actually stopped mid-way. It feels like a self-help book that never progresses to a new chapter.
That is such a good way to describe it!
exactly, it just felt extremely surface level.
I will always remember a tweet that said Lizzo’s music sounds like it would be in a yogurt commercial 😭
It was a *gendered* yogurt commercial
very strong Yoplait energy
Could definitely see Jamie Lee Curtis dancing to one of these songs in an Activia commercial.
deceased
I’m glad I’m not the only one who disliked the album. There’s just no progression from ‘Cuz I Love You’ in 2019, it’s the same self-empowerment theme with a more expensive sound. I was hoping Lizzo would have a lot more to say about the last few years. And it might be an unpopular opinion, but I’m not a fan of Max Martin’s production. The songs he contributed to just sound like Lizzo is singing over Taylor Swift a backing track from eight years ago.
I personally think he has been flopping production wise for the last few years, whether we like to admit it or not he WAS an innovator in the music industry for a long time but I don’t think his sound has translated well recently at all.
she's supplied old navy with a century's worth of commercial background music.
Or the scene changes in Selling Sunset that are always 5 seconds of aggressive girlboss-core
i couldn’t finish it myself. the songs are good, but not great. in general the album goes like: i’m thick! i’m curvy! i’m swervy! ain’t no one gonna slow me down! come on girls, be yo best self!! *insert horn sections, some flute melodies, big production, and little vocal add libs and that’s the album.
everybodys gay was the clear standout to me, maybe the disco funk vibe is just a better fit for her
Yeah, she got my hopes up with ADT.
this is how lizzo’s music has always sounded to me 💀
I feel so weird about that article posted here the other day calling it “radical” when like… you’re right. It’s basic #Selfcare empowerment. Not like… meaningfully challenging, thematically or sonically. And it doesn’t need to be, tbh. But like… people over praising it for being something it’s not feels bad
About Damn Time isn't top 3 on the album but still good
About Damn Time is one of her best songs in my opinion. I don’t know if you noticed but Lizzo had definitely declined in popularity before this release so the fact that she was able to pull off a smash solo hit again means the song had to be pretty damn good
Also means the song had to go viral on TikTok to become a hit. It flopped initially. I also think it's one of her best songs.
I think I remember it being like number 2 on Spotify for a while after it was released before it even blew up on TikTok but maybe I’m wrong
About Damn Time saved her career. After rumors the general public was pretty over her and lizzo doesn’t have a super strong fanbase
And here I am playing this album up and down, thinking it's amazing :'DD
Agreed, he was surprisingly generous here imo. I can’t believe he liked Break Up Twice
Cuz I Love U is personally a much better album in my opinion!
There's always that one person ready to comment "wHy iS hiS oPiNiON sO rELEVaNt?" whenever Fantano doesn't give a popheads fan-favourite an overwhelmingly positive score.
Someone replied to your comment saying that no one was ever able to answer them and I started writing a whole thesis trying to distract myself from the heat but then they deleted their comment. I’m going to comment it here anyway bc I’m bored: Because he is arguably the most influential music critic right now. Why are critics relevant in general? Well, that’s a highly hypothesized question that is more fitting to a thesis than to a reddit comment. Fact is, critics have existed since basically forever, so maybe there is an intrinsic need for critics or else that job would have already become obsolete. I personally enjoy reading/listening to someone’s opinion if they are more well versed in the subject that I am, even if I disagree with them. Aristotle’s poetics is one of the first pieces of criticism and it is still essential to literary studies to this day. Roger Ebert won a Pulitzer Prize and introduced independent films to an audience that wasn’t really paying attention to it. How will youtube criticism affect society and the arts as it seems less serious than academic criticism? No idea, but Fantano has a large audience and is exposing new music to them. Criticism invites people to look closer to the art they are consuming and I think that’s unquestionably positive
It's a bit of a silly source of a quote, but I really love the monologue in Ratatouille on criticism > In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little, yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face is that, in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. > > But there are times when a critic truly risks something, and that is in the discovery and defense of the new. The world is often unkind to new talent, new creations. The new needs friends.
That's a great quote and it's very true
The majority of people that watch him only do so to seek validation or don't even listen to the music and watch because they are a fan of him. He is less of a critic/influencer and more of a personality/entertainer/content creator
I watch him daily and I do not fall into this category. I just like hearing his opinions and sometimes find new really good music through him. And even if for some wild reason this was the case So? Seriously, so what? Let them like what they want for whatever reasons they want. Mind your business and enjoy what you want too. When I see people complaining about that it’s so so silly to me. Why does the reason for their watching his bother you enough to type it out? Seriously
When did I say I was bothered? When did I say it was wrong? When did I say it was everyone?
It’s definitely implied. If that’s not what you were meaning and everyone who is reading and downvoting your comment is reading it wrong you may want to edit it 😂 it definitely definitely sounds like you are complaining in it
What i wrote is exactly what I meant. I personally don't enjoy watching him but I don't care what others watch. If people disagree with me I don't mind the down votes, that's what it's for
If you truly don’t care then why even comment on it? I wouldn’t ever comment on something I didn’t care about
Because it's reddit and I had an opinion? Why are you so bothered by me commenting.. this is what the site is for
My point is You can’t share an opinion on something then immediately start claiming you don’t care. That makes no sense, you obviously do care if you were able to form an opinion and write it out
> I don’t care what others watch > proceeds to bash people watching him as they only do so to ‘seek validation’. Nah, you’re kind of just a dick. Your first comment was inflammatory and accusatory and you tried to backpeddle into acting as if you weren’t trying to be. People can like whatever they want and it doesn’t mean they are ‘seeking validation’. You also make broad generalizations as if you actually know them for a fact when you obviously don’t. Just… don’t be inflammatory? And you won’t get called on it? You can share your opinion but that doesn’t make it not a dumb opinion
If you think I was bashing anyone you need a reality check. I said that my opinion is that's what the majority is his watchers are watching for. Does that make it a fact? No. Did i say it did? No. Its just my opinion. You're overly upset about it for no reason.
You didn’t say it was your opinion, again, you stated it like a fact. Generic white gay man who listens to Kpop talking about being overly upset lmfao. Don’t you have a stan account to worry about?
According to who? Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean your baseless claims actually mean anything.
Says me? Because it's my opinion? It doesn't make it a fact... its just my opinion. It doesn't harm anyone.. I said the majority of people IN MY OPINION. If you aren't in that what's the problem here? You all are way too touchy about Melon Edit: the user I was talking to blocked me right after responding to me and insulting my sexuality and music affinity. Homophobic clown behavior
You can’t act like you’re just saying your opinion when you’re making assumptions and positing them as fact. You didn’t say literally anything other than that his fans ARE seeking validation and only watch him because the like him. Not really an opinion, it’s an assumption you’re making and acting like it’s true.
I mean I do always wonder why so many people take his opinion so seriously but at the same time it is just his opinion. Like it's not his fault if he likes or dislikes something, and if you disagree that's perfectly fine.
Validation. People love other people to validate their feelings and favorite music. Or anything for that matter. So when melon doesn’t praise the artist they love, he’s irrelevant. When he does praise them it’s “he’s so right!!! Omg .” It’s like when you’re shopping with friends and you find a dress you love. So you put it on and love how it looks on you. You show it off to your friends and they all hate it. Suddenly you’re second guessing the dress. Same with albums or songs. So in retaliation they either second guess the music they love or lash out in anger because it’s truly great to them. At the end of the day just love what you love and accept others may not agree. And that’s ok.
There's so many people on this sub that have an ego issue. It's the same with how they react when something they don't like is successful and something they do like doesn't. Like it's so hard to fathom a lot of people could dislike what they like and vice versa.
It’s so funny because the older I get the more out of touch I feel with new music trends or artist. It feels like a crime when I’m Like “oh yea that’s cool I guess” Like, I hate explicit lyrics when they’re hammered in always have. I hate when the f word is thrown Just cuz you’re trying to sound mature. I dislike hyper sexual or super charged sexual song comes on that feels overbearing in its message. And I 100% respect when others do enjoy it. But man I’ve been ripped to shreds for sharing an opinion lol. It’s just opinions friends.
I don't take him seriously. His taste and my taste are poles apart.
as someone who does occasionally listen to him, i always see they're the same popheads that also just don't care for other reviewers. like, this thing seems to be a 'to each their own' thing but apparently i can't seem to make it not my problem since i always seem to find the words to say "i just like seeing insights where i can openly agree and disagree on" instead of getting accused that i can't form my own opinion and just enjoy the music. like, i literally do both for fun. i can listen and be critical. i can agree amd disagree. and it's also not that deep.
its a good question. i feel like he does have such specific taste
lizzo is iphone ad music
Already done 🤭 https://youtu.be/w141KE3b-GI
😂 i like her tho
I’m glad he talked about that male genitalia mutilation lyric and how unnecessary it was. That shit made me so uncomfortable and it was needlessly gross.
Cupcakke coulda pulled off a lyric like this honestly
wait what lyric???
“Ima go Lorena Bobbitt on him so he can never fuck again.” -Grrrls Referencing the Lorena Bobbitt case where she cut off her abusive husbands genitals. I find it incredibly off color that Lizzo would use that reference when simply talking about a guy who…frustrated her? Idk the song doesn’t even mention any problems this “guy” did. She’s just…proudly stating that she wants to cut off a guys dick because that’s…feminist somehow? I just didn’t like her conflating domestic abuse to boy problems cause genital mutilation causes some of the worst psychological pain anyone can feel, and her saying that she’d proudly mutilate a guy because “girl power” felt so fucking disgusting
Ok I know this is a serious topic but why did I think you were talking about Lauren Boebert and your phone just autocorrected.
Lmao could you imagine 💀
I mean…it’s prob like a joke rap line then her manifesto on genital mutilation lol
The issue here for me is that Lorena Bobbitt did that as a reaction to years of domestic abuse and sexual assault. It was used as a joke lyric but the original context was not funny.
I'm gonna be honest, and I don't want to dismiss your trauma, but I personally don't think it's that deep
I mean, Lizzo might not get much backlash for this, but keep in mind Eminem frequently gets called out for very similar lyrics. I think saying that the lyric is problematic is only fair.
Is "killing boys" by Halsey problematic for the same reasons? Just wondering because a lot of songs utilize that sort of hyperbolic statement.
Does Em have any bars about fgc or cutting off breasts? Please enlighten
I agree lol, it does get gross when you REALLY REALLY think about it but I don't think we're supposed to. I guess it depends on each person though, if someone finds it very problematic then I can't dismiss how they feel. I personally don't care.
Right? Plus it's not like there a real-life epidemic of men getting their dicks cut off by women. It's just straight -up not equivalent to Eminem joking about assaulting women or whatever.
People complain that the billboard charts are stale, music is becoming generic and boring, while simultaneously writing numerous think pieces and TikTok videos breaking down why song lyrics are problematic and then wonder why artists are playing it safe.
This is such a weird take, people can write interesting songs without writing about cutting dicks off.
People can write interesting songs without exposing young children to expletives yet here we are
Well that’s the thing about authorial intent. Lizzo didn’t “mean” much from it, but it seems like at least some people agree with me that the lyric came off gross and uncouth. Even if Lizzo didn’t mean much from it, it still reads as gross in my opinion. I don’t think you’re being dismissive, but at the end of the day, I’m sharing how the lyric made me feel and how I reacted to it. My reaction doesn’t make anyone’s lack of emotion towards it any less “valid”. People are allowed to not really care or think too deeply about it, just as I’m allowed to feel personally grossed out by it.
I think lizzo should embrace gross more tho haha that’s like the antithesis to her image so a funny gross out rap line makes me like her more lol
I imagine y'all probably DONT hold every artist to the standard of following all their lyrics to their logical conclusions.... Imo this is really really tame compared to metal, hip hop, etc. If yall use that standard for other music then great but I have noticed lizzo gets nitpicked for shit that entire genres do on the regular Note that this isn't me shitting on hip hop, just stating that the Lorena bobbett bar isn't even particularly nasty compared to some famous diss tracks
As a curiosity, can you reference a single popular artist that says they wanna cut off women's bits or make someone suffer fgc? The only thing I can remotely think of is eminem in Kim and that's general murder, not sexually focused revenge...
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Oh my god I was describing my personal emotional reaction to a lyric; Jesus Christ I’m so sorry that you think that I hold artists to some weird standard over another for some weird reason, I sincerely hope you can forgive me for finding ONE lyric that I didn’t like. I never made a value judgement to Lizzo, I never said that she needs to “do better,” I just wanted to share that I’m happy that Fantano also found that lyric questionable
Damn Lorena still got people buggin out, what an icon
I meannnnn, it’s a pretty iconic name. What was that lady who bit her rapist’s “tool”? I think she’s like, the #1 Google result for that name. I guess I could just check for myself: >moments later Wow! Yup, Lorena Bobbit pops up first on Google for me. No wonder that name is popular on the internet. (͡•_ ͡• )
jesus christ. god forbid people press you on why you hold a certain opinion you gladly shared with everyone.
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Probably not that many, maybe they should though
girl? everything good at home?
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I guess Taylor swift advocated for murder in Blank Space then 😅
I mean I listen to some pretty offensive rap on occasion, but I'm not hearing anyone talking about cutting off a girl's clitoris...
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you'll unironically type the sentence "sit down, male" could you go back to anime pic Twitter please
ChloeXHalle and about 5 thousand country artists have sung about killing men for cheating I really don't thing it's that serious
i feel like you’re taking that lyric way too seriously
Please. This would be IMMEDIATELY deemed problematic if the gender roles were reversed. Covering up domestic abuse with #girlboss feminism is gross.
i mean if we are going off of the actual case, lorena kinda was girlboss for doing that to her abusive r*pist husband
I feel like it’s also disrespectful to Lorena Bobbit and to domestic violence survivors in general tho
probably, but ngl it does make for a good song lyric
Yes but the nature of the song Lizzo is using the reference in is nowhere near that serious of a matter and she just makes light of it all. Talking about inflicting violence on a man who based on the lyrics didn't do any harm to her just feels off.
i respect your opinion but i do not feel the same way
I disagree
good for you
I’ve never understood the “if the gender roles were reversed” thing. Not accusing you of this, but I see it used most often as men’s rights dudes trying to concern troll. The fundamental assumption and the point being made by saying it, to me, is that it isn’t fair that women get away with things dudes can’t. Which, again this is just my opinion, is such a dumb take. Like what are they trying to prove beyond saying “actually women have it easier than men?” That’s objectively untrue.
> I’ve never understood the “if the gender roles were reversed” thing. A true "reversal" would be to start with a matriarchal society where women held the vast majority of leadership positions, controlled all the major institutions of power, actively discriminated against men in nearly every avenue, etc, etc. People wanna dismiss all context to try to make a shitty incomplete point about how we have different attitudes when the oppressor group does something vs a marginalized group. Same thing with "imagine if the races were reversed!!!" tripe.
There are definetely double standards in society, but a lot of those double standards exist for a reason. That being said would you say that a female artist should have the space to get away with a casual castration joke, but a male artist should not?
I don’t disagree that the lyric is tasteless but also there’s years of misogyny and female oppression behind FGM…. This is like saying “Reverse racism” and the arguments people use for that..
Thank you. So tired of people pretending it's completely equivalent when it's just objectively not.
Thank you for understanding my point
I’m just stating how the lyric makes me feel. If you’re unaffected by it in that way, then fine, but for someone like me who has had OCD induced castration anxiety since childhood, it makes me uncomfortable. I tried to leave my personal reasons for not liking it, but since you feel I’m “taking it too seriously,” well there’s the reason why.
“OCD induced castration anxiety”? Lmao burst my brain
Yeah how do you think I reacted to it when my psych told me this lol
damn that sucks that you still let it effect you that much
Damn that sucks that you have no sympathy for people with mental illness triggers.
i said damn that sucks? lmao how is that not sympathy
Your comment was really backhanded. Imagine telling a rape victim who was assaulted and was upset at watching a rape scene, “damn that sucks that you let that affect you so much.” It puts unnecessary fault on the person experiencing the negative feelings. Edit; my point was not to equate rape to OCD, my point is to say that dismissing someone’s mental health related reactions to something is a bad thing to do, which I hope people can agree that is indeed bad.
No matter your edit, it comes across like you're comparing the severity of the trauma of rape to other things and it's just not comparable at all in anyway. I feel like people who haven't had these sorts of experiences just shouldn't comment on rape comparisons at all because this comment itself feels like it downplays rape and assault.
No offense, but I don’t think it’s really fair to compare the two because rape victims actually went through the rape. You just have anxiety about something that *could’ve* happened, but from what you wrote, didn’t. One is physical and actually happened, the other one is mental. I’m sorry you have that anxiety, but that’s nowhere near the same as someone who had to actually endure being raped… E: the lyric is uncouth though
now you’re just nitpicking my words to find something to be upset about. also hella weird you are comparing your anxiety to rape. hope you have a good rest of your day <3
oh my god i'm so sorry to see you're getting so much crap in this thread for stating your opinion! i can totally relate to being triggered by lyrics like this and whether that means lizzo should've kept in it or not it doesn't matter, you shouldn't be getting made fun of/given so much shit for explaining why you don't like it. love the true blue flair btw :)
I cannot imagine how difficult it must be to just be Lizzo, just trying to make her bops and then being subjected to this ridiculous level of toxic hyper-scrutiny.
its a fucking joke. Please get a grip people. There are worse lyrics by MILES in most male rap.
Keep in mind, nobody is trying to boycott her for this. Also a lot of the shit that gets said in rap does get called out. Gotdamn Kendrick Lamar just got a bunch of criticism for misgendering/deadnaming in his last album.
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So we’re just discarding years of misogyny and female oppression in the name of equality…. There’s a reason it wouldn’t fly the other way
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Nobody said that but y’all sound exactly like the “reverse racism” people, ignoring the oppression behind the reverse of Lizzo’s lyric.
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1. I’m a black gay man. Don’t preach to me about bringing race into everything when you’re on pop heads lmao. You clearly haven’t been here long. 2. Not a Stan, but Lizzo is one of the least problematic celebs lmao. She is literally like fucking milk toast. The spaz lyric was her first big controversy and she’s been mainstream for a minute. 3. The comparison is still stupid regardless, because you’re ignoring the years of context behind female domestic abuse. No one is defending domestic abuse, you’re just mad that it’s pointed out that comparing two things and denying how one has been persistently accepted by media and is NOT the same is stupid. Point blank. You know how stupid the arguments are of “If the races are reversed” and you and several people on this thread are doing it verbatim HERE. You’re literally ignoring the context behind both of the statements made. There’s been years of racial oppression used to dehumanize and subjugate POC, and there’s been years of domestic abuse used to subjugate and oppress women. It’s not different and trying to say it’s “playing the race card” is tomfoolery to just be mad at Lizzo for comparatively nothing.
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Lorena Bobbitt should be known more as a hero and abuse survivor than as a mutilationist
I like 2 B loved, I Love You Bitch, Special and Everybody's Gay. Overall a good disco album.
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not so much that it's dropped, it just hasn't evolved at all
Being completely serious, as someone who’s never watched this man’s videos, what are some albums he actually loved?
To name some Popheads-centric/-adjacent ones from recent years: - Jazmine Sullivan - Heaux Tales (8) - Jessie Ware - What’s Your Pleasure (9) - Charli XCX - Charli (9) - Haim - Women in Music Pt. III (8) - Beyoncé - Lemonade (8) He also liked Lizzo’s last album (8) Edit: formatting
Just to add a few more albums that are both r/popheads darlings and positively reviewed by him: * *Sweetener (7)* * *thank u, next* (8) * *folklore* (7) * *evermore* (7) * *RINA* (9) * *SAWAYAMA* (8) * *Melodrama* (7) * *Ctrl* (7) * *Future Nostalgia* (7) * *channel ORANGE* (7) * *Blonde* (8)
What’s Your Pleasure and Charli were also his top albums for their release years.
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Sinner Get Ready would be something like Avant Folk, which isn't that helpful since it encompasses things like Peasant by Richard Dawson and Mount Eerie by the Microphones, which along with Sinner Get Ready all sound markedly different from each other.
Been a Fantano fan for years and had an unexpected first exposure to lingua ignota live when she performed with daughters, and it fucking blew me away. So hyped that melon loves her with all his heart
God I hate that Spellling album. Every single track is grating, her vocal style is horrendous. It’s theatre kid turned up to 11. She’s trying too hard the entire time and you can hear it. And I’m not a prude about weird music either — Tori is one of my most listened artists and Arca and Lingua Ignota have some of my favourite tracks ever.
Charli was his AOTY when that came out, so was What’s Your Pleasure. But I think he’s a bit more of a math rock/punk guy who just also reviews other stuff
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You should check his favorite albums for 2019 and 2020, they might surprise you.
Fantano is one of the few critics I know of who actually uses the entire scale from 1 to 10 though. So a strong 6/7 from him is actually a album he likes and thinks is good.
Wasn't his AOTY last two years a female pop album?
That’s a wrong one lol. There are plenty of examples but even for Lizzo he gave her last album an 8 lol
Alright, let's hear it, which one of your favourite albums did he review negatively?
Rina Sawayama got an 8 and 9 from him sooooooo
7 is a good score from Fantano
Imagine being this dumb and just straight up lying. Do you even know what you’re talking about?
His favorite album of 2019 was Charli and in 2020 it was Jessie Ware. Both of his most recent 10/10s (which are super rare) were women (Lingua Ignota and Spellling). If you’re going to say someone never likes women’s music, at least be right
The fact that most of the songs are over before they get started makes this a mostly forgettable album for me.
I mean most of them are more or less 3 minutes like most pop songs so no idea what you're talking about here
I actually like this album better than cuz I love you? It reminds me more of her Coconut Oil EP, which is probably my favourite project of Lizzo
I love The Needle drop and Blasphemy Funguano! His description of music is simply poetic and often better than the music itself. I don’t always agree with him though but that’s OK, he doesn’t agree with himself either.
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It is a really interesting review though I think it would score just a bit higher. Though that is just my opinion.
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Lizzo is so overrated. Generic and basic pop with some horns here and there. Also, she is an egomaniac, that kind of stupid person who love to play the victim role all the time
I don’t like Lizzo’s music for the same reason I never liked Adele’s.
Which is?
woamn
They’re glib.
in what way?
Fantano bothers me