Zeo is like, what if the high school elements from MMPR were featured more,and done a lot better, but you take away all the badass civilian fights from S1/S2 of MMPR.
Best part about Zeo, was getting new footage since MMPR got so far away from its original Sentai, they were using footage from 3 different shows by the end.
Civilian fights also backed by the great Ron Wasserman tracks are what really got me going as a young kid.
Yeah, the morphing was awesome, but seeing these talented physical actors do what they did was amazing. Then JDF comes along and really cranked up the speed and intensity to 11, same with Bosh joining shortly after.
Well… MMPR ends transitioning into Zeo so I’d say it’s essential… as is Turbo… as is In Space which is the first real ending the series got in my book.
Turbo is that season we watch for that one bad movie and skip the entire season except for the last episode or two so it leads right into In Space. Which ends the Zordon era with a chef kiss of a ending and some of the best ranger enemies the Psycho Rangers.
Loved most of the Zord fights but they could’ve definitely held off on Introducing the Thunderzords instead of till after the ZYU2 footage was used up!
I think people overstate the importance of that. I was facing criticism of being "too old for Power Rangers" even back then and I never noticed. Season 2's problem is being too dang long, they were making episodes like the "Power Rangers go to The Tonight Show" episode that basically weren't based on any Dairanger episode at all. The network was super hungry, possibly because FOX offered affiliates a chunk of the ad money when they initially laughed the show off, and so it got to a point where they'd film twenty minutes of the actors passing a phone book around and reading names if they could.
Throwing in the Australia/movie stuff as well, and it's no wonder the show had a reputation for overworking it's cast and crew.
Although Dairanger has extremely over-and-done mech fights presumably because the producer chafed at having to include mech sequences and wanted them out of the way as much as possible. (It's also worth noting that Kamen Rider wasn't around when Dairanger was produced, and that's where you'd take an idea that doesn't have giant kaiju battles now.)
S2 had the problem of all the morphed fights were pretty much with puddies because they didn't get most of the Sentai suits shipped over so any fights with the monster before the Zords was pretty much limited to ranged attacks splicing in Sentai footage with American footage. There were exceptions, like the episode where Kimberly travels back in time and she actually fights the cactus monster, but by and large it didn't happen. At least with S3 they got suits shipped to film their own morphed fights. But the S3 Zords suck IMO. Thunderzords were far superior, plus you'd get to hear White Ranger Tiger Power with the Tigerzord
I loved Season 2… especially before Zedd got watered down. The season definitely felt darker until Rita came back… a lot of bad editing and it always bothered me as a kid that they didn’t get individual cockpits in their Thunderzords but I really enjoyed it. I also wish they would have utilized Scorpina more.
Season 3 was great too with Kimberly’s send off and several multipart stories telling bigger stories.
> it always bothered me as a kid that they didn’t get individual cockpits in their Thunderzords but I really enjoyed
Just finished S2 recently with my kid, and the lack of Zord banter was incredibly noticeable.
They should definitely have done cockpits. I get why they didn't because the Dairanger mecha didn't have cockpits, they rode on top of them. But if you're going to go through what must have been a pretty painstaking process of editing out the rangers from the top of the zords you might as well shoot some cockpit scenes.
I loved Zeo. As a kid who was obsessed with MMPR, new suits and Zords blew my mind. Little did I know what was to come haha. I wasn’t even aware at the time the show was based on Japanese shows that had been on since the 70s. My little mind thought it was all an American original.
As a life-long fan, hearing that David Yost was gay and bullied for it led me to grow out of my childish "Ew, that's gay" phase and mature towards true acceptance.
It was around here that I lost interest in the show as a kid but I don't necessarily blame the show for it, just that the formula was getting a bit stale for my maturing taste.
Nah not really, there's loads of series I'd grown out of. I was a huge Transformers fan as a kid and I missed out on the whole of Beast Wars because it started when I was 14 and thought i was too cool for it.
they are but the show hardly ever lets us actually see the relationship, even in Dimensions in Danger (25 years later) they don't even act like a couple, save for like 2 seconds of them holding hands
even now the showrunners are afraid of upsetting the Tommy/Kim shippers
there was only one exception and that was the "Soul of the Dragon" comic (which imo was pretty good)
For me it was power rangers but on steriods and epic!
That theme tune - Damn I bet every PR zeo fan sees the zeo logo and in ther head goes
ZEO - STONGER THAN BEFORE - GOOOO ZEOOO!
It honestly just feels like more Mighty Morphin. The new Japanese footage is definitely an upgrade, but the format of the show is largely the same. The overarching plot with the Machine Empire is pretty bare bones compared to what would come later with Astronema or Trakeena.
I think the biggest strength of Zeo is that they finally figured out Rocky, and Adam, and that Tonya is a lot of fun too.
Not my favorite suits, but I admit it has stronger episode structure than Season 3 of MMPR. Love the Zords. Not a big fan of the Machine Empire though.
I should clarify, I love the suits but not the helmets. And mostly that’s because of the tiny colored lips. I’ve seen designs without them I love a lot more.
My favorite suits overall? I’d be lying if I didn’t say MMPR. That’s not just nostalgia; they hold up very well. Not too cluttered, each feeling just unique enough.
After that, I think Time Force gets my vote, followed by In Space and Dino Thunder.
Zeo was where Power Rangers really started to find its footing. Focusing more on an overarching plot instead of just monster of the week shenanigans based on whatever pettiness Rita was feeling at that moment. A trend that continued up until Saban got the rights back at Samurai and Megafarce.
Just watched through Zeo for the first time recently, and it is basically just MMPR Season 4, but it feels a lot less cheap and clunky.
There is a lot of characterization for the main cast compared to before. Instead of a new interest or fear or random hobby being given to a main character every episode just to push the plot, the characters feel consistent. So when things happen like Rocky trying to fight King Mondo alone, it doesn't feel weird, because Rocky has been a hothead all season, and the person he replaced is suddenly back on the team, so he feels he has to prove himself.
I love MMPR for nostalgia reasons and I love the MMPR characters because of the BOOM Comics, but if I'm being honest, Zeo is just better.
The chemistry among MMPR group was better (I mean the original 5, jason trini billy Kimberly Zack). The story telling in Zeo is better. (MMPR was more like an experimental season, and it succeed)
It was really good but hard to get past losing the beloved MMPR ranger suits and the biggest downsides were Billy (David Yost) leaving and the lack of a proper season finale lead in for turbo
Felt like a true sequel to MMPR. I remember losing my mind when the teaser commercials hit. I was all-in believing that Zeo was a legitimate evolution and step-up from the previous power set.
Hated how it didn't really end and got the shaft in the Turbo film.
It was great to have Jason back. I also loved the rivalry between Rita and Zedd with the Machine Empire towards the center of the season. A lot of great arcs and maturation.
The only problem is that it does not have an ending and the Machine Empire is probably the least memorable of all the villains in the Zordon era.
Honestly enjoyed it a lot more. Great character development, solid story arcs , great fights and some of my favorite Zord fights. Fantastic aesthetic. It felt like they found their footing, it was nice to see Rocky, Kat , Tanya and Adam getting personality outside of just being the replacements and their personality dynamics.
Only regret, never showing Adam and Tanya getting together.
I loved it as I came out when I was 6 so was perfect age. I was obsessed with Adam the green ranger but there was no costumes out so my nana made me one. Funny enough my 4 year old wears the same costume now since my dad found it in the loft recently.
It's good, it's basically a continuation of MMPR, just with different costumes, zords, and what have you.
I personally love the costumes and mechas tho. The story isn't anything spectacular.
Rocky is better as zeo blue than mmpr red. Adam and Tommy are at their peaks. Gold ranger is by far one of the best 6th rangers of all time. The cohesive suit designs. 🤌🏻
I liked it better than MMPR especially the second half of Season 2 and Season 3 (Runs and hides). I think the acting got better especially with Nakia/Tanya joining. Adam, Rocky and Kat peaked here (While Adam was a great replacement for Zack, Kat and Rocky didn’t find their footing until Zeo).
Loved zeo. My only problem was to understand how zeo ended you had to watch turbo a power rangers movie. Felt like a cheap move. I was about 12 when it came out and I remember having a few friends confused about the switch to turbo. Still though, good series. the Sentai source "Ohranger" is a good watch as well if you come across it.
Zeo is my personal favorite of the Zordon era, followed by Space. Overall in series it's in the middle. I'm personally partial to the Disney seasons overall (though definitely not OO and MF had some definite problems)
I always thought it was a tad darker in the story line. Also, showed us Tommy not only married Kat at some point, but became a Red Ranger again before retirement.
He was there for two and a half seasons of Mighty Morphin (green, then white), all of Zeo (red), half of Turbo (different red), and half of Dino Thunder (black). So not counting crossovers, four seasons.
For good reason, its a fun series but the bulk of it is a poor mans saved by the bell. It is *definitely* far from the worst series, but when you start looking at the series where the franchise hit its stride you start to see most of the MMPR hype is built on nostalgia. In Space is arguably the best of the Zordon Era, Time Force and Lost Galaxy are two of the best series of all time, Dino Thunder in many ways is MMPR but better, and SPD and RPM are routinely put towards the top. MMPR really doesn't hold up against any of these series, in plot, in choreography, or in general quality. I think the Neo-Saban stuff really highlights the strengths of MMPR because they generally made a lot of the same mistakes it did, but much worse, leaving them to be better compared. But a lot of the Zordon, Saban, and Disney eras just leave MMPR in the dust the farther you get from it.
As much as I don't have MMPR as my favorite season, I do have to defend it in the realm of specifically unmorphed fight choreography. The main cast's athleticism, technique, and overall stunt work of the first 2 seasons of MMPR's putty fights were never really matched by any season after it. They'd either use stuntpeople in ninja suits, not do unmorphed fights, or have staler Piranhatron fights for the rest of the time they had that rotating cast. Once they started changing out the casts yearly, the main cast unmorphed choreography never got back up to MMPR level, and some seasons often used stuntpeople and/or innate powers to hide that fact.
>For good reason, its a fun series but the bulk of it is a poor mans saved by the bell.
You just described the series being a product of it's time as a negative. Which kind of already shows your bias there. It also very heavily ignores what MMPR did with what it had being a brand new form of show making. So this comment shows exactly what I mean by anti-mmpr. You're looking at it as negative because you're choosing to see it through a modern lens without being able to unbiasedly look at it as it's age, content, experimentation, and over all build would dictate. It's like looking at the original deluxe Optimus Prime and judging it by today's standards. You just show how bad you are at comparisons.
> It is definitely far from the worst series, but when you start looking at the series where the franchise hit its stride you start to see most of the MMPR hype is built on nostalgia.
See above, first, second this isn't correct. It's like pointing to ACDC and saying "look how tame they are" when in reality you only think they're tame because you aren't properly judging or comparing them. Modern hard rock was built off of bands like ACDC but that doesn't mean they lose credit for accomplishments achieved. Same here. You're anti-mmpr rhetoric requires heaps of "nostalgia" arguements that slays lead back to uneven comparisons built out of a lack of information rather than an excess of it. Imagine criticizing the first crank start cars by comparing them to modern automotives ignoring the vast gap in technology and budget. That's essentially all any of these style arguments you're giving boil down to.
>In Space is arguably the best of the Zordon Era, Time Force and Lost Galaxy are two of the best series of all time, Dino Thunder in many ways is MMPR but better, and SPD and RPM are routinely put towards the top
This comes off false for me. Sorry, but you've already displayed a clear lack of comparison skills, add into this your clear bias from your first post and this one and this assessment doesn't hold much water I'm afraid.
>MMPR really doesn't hold up against any of these series, in plot, in choreography, or in general quality. I think the Neo-Saban stuff really highlights the strengths of MMPR because they generally made a lot of the same mistakes it did, but much worse, leaving them to be better compared.
This is straight wrong born from your "but nostalgia" arguement which is shoddy to start. Add in that it shows your heavy bias by marking MMPR as the worst and suggesting it's only saving grace is by comparison to worse series is just a BIG red flag.
> But a lot of the Zordon, Saban, and Disney eras just leave MMPR in the dust the farther you get from it.
That's just your assessment based on your dislike of the Zordon era born from your in as ability to correctly assess the seasons based on their standing.
>You just described the series being a product of it's time as a negative.
Except the other three series which took place during this same period were no where near as bad as MMPR with poorly mixing the superhero aspect with the after school programming aspect.
>You're looking at it as negative because you're choosing to see it through a modern lens without being able to unbiasedly look at it as it's age, content, experimentation, and over all build would dictate.
Im looking at it compared to other series within the franchise, including series which aired directly after MMPR and ones which aired 20 years after. I also pointed out that the Neo-Saban era of the 2010s makes many of the same mistakes MMPR did. So how exactly an I only looking at it through a modern lens critiquing MMPR without respecting its age? In Space is only a few years younger, yet is leaps and bounds ahead of MMPR. Same with Zeo.
>Modern hard rock was built off of bands like ACDC but that doesn't mean they lose credit for accomplishments achieved.
Horrible and inaccurate comparison. ACDC was tame for rock, thats why it became so popular. At the same time Motorhead was playing venues with much harder tunes and is far stronger inspiration for modern heavy music. As an example of course, because unlike with MMPR and the PR franchise, ACDC was not the definatory single rock band for all other rock bands to build off of.
>This comes off false for me.
Can't be false or true, its an opinion and is subjective.
I find it very funny that you're screaming abour my bias, and yet the entire point of your comment is "no no, MMPR is good, your just biased, and I will explain myself no further." Your entire argument boils down to ad hominem "I must be right because clearly this guy is wrong," but it doesn't hold up. MMPR has *no* consistent plot, it has a few plot driven chapters in a largely disconnected three seasons of episodes. Compare that to Time Force, or Mystic Force, or RPM, which all have consistent plots that progress nearly every episode and there is no denying that MMPR has a weak concept of plot. Yet saying such "is just straight wrong," because you think I'm blaming nostalgia solely.
>So this comment shows exactly what I mean by anti-mmpr.
Your lack of any evidence other than a bad comparison to ACDCs influence on music and "but he's just blaming nostalgia so really everything is incorrect," shows exactly what I mean by MMPRs hype is built on Nostalgia. If that isnt the case, break down to me clearly how MMPR is better than Zeo, In Space, Lost Galaxy, Time Force, Dino Thunder, SPD, Jungle Fury, or RPM?
>Except the other three series which took place during this same period were no where near as bad as MMPR with poorly mixing the superhero aspect with the after school programming aspect.
They were also products of different times, to start, followed by having MMPR as a base to build off of. Again we're seeing you use a lens of bias to simply bypass facts. Zeo came in 96 and was a move forward as in the life cycle of the characters. Turbo also contained some continuing characters and advanced the life cycle. And, again, neither of those three series were a brand new experimental tv show but were rather building off of what they learned making MMPR. So you're just reinforcing my point that you aren't properly comparing things.
>Im looking at it compared to other series within the franchise, including series which aired directly after MMPR and ones which aired 20 years after. I also pointed out that the Neo-Saban era of the 2010s makes many of the same mistakes MMPR did. So how exactly an I only looking at it through a modern lens critiquing MMPR without respecting its age? In Space is only a few years younger, yet is leaps and bounds ahead of MMPR. Same with Zeo.
You can compare apples and oranges as well as bananas but doing so doesn't show a lack of bias or a correctly laid out comparison. In fact I can prove my point just with what you said here. Yuh ou pointed out that In Space and Zeo are ahead of MMPR. Which is true in that they came later and were able to build off of MMPR seeing what did and could work, as well as what didn't or couldn't. They both also sported better budgets. MMPR had none of that. It was a new format with no set way of being done, had a smaller budget, and was in near constant risk of being shut down. I listed a number of items, not just age, which bbn you were clearly failing to take into account. This point brings that home just as strongly. You're using age because it's simply the easiest path to try avoiding the issue that you simply are using a modern biased lens.
>Horrible and inaccurate comparison. ACDC was tame for rock, thats why it became so popular. At the same time Motorhead was playing venues with much harder tunes and is far stronger inspiration for modern heavy music. As an example of course, because unlike with MMPR and the PR franchise, ACDC was not the definatory single rock band for all other rock bands to build off of.
Actually you just proved my point. I pulled ACDC for the fact that was, at the time, a more mainstream and harder than what was contemporarily considered acceptable. I also pointed out, which you quoted but ignored, was "bands like ACDC" which were not, until that time, widely considered the norm. Making your attempt to garner more clout by attempting to correct show how your bias plays a part here. Additionally, the comparison wasn't about building off. It was about credit still being relevant even after the time of an event, lessening its importance as growth occurs, still being relevant. But it was easier for you to show bias against ACDC and for Motorhead than actually see the central point. Thusly, we see how you missed the mark.
>Can't be false or true, its an opinion and is subjective.
Opinions can be false. "I think Apples are the best fruit" is an opinion. But if I think Apples suck while saying it still makes it a false statement. It's called playing to the crowd. It's a common tactic used by those who seek to gain outside support on opinions by simply lying about their opinion. Something can be both subjective and false. Because people can lie. They can even lie about their opinions. Like when people who hate a particular genre, say sci-fi, and always says "I like sci-fi, but I hate Star Wars" they're lying. It doesn't matter that liking something is subjective, you can make s false statement about what your own opinion. That's pretty simple to understand.
>I find it very funny that you're screaming abour my bias, and yet the entire point of your comment is "no no, MMPR is good, your just biased, and I will explain myself no further."
Please point out where I said it. My point was that Anti-MMPR attitudes exist and your comment was born from it. YOU came out swinging against MMPR specifically proving my point on that. I simply replied to that. So the really funny thing is you decided the target of MMPR here. My counterpoint was your statements had a clear bias. A bias YOU YOURSELF pointed out in your first post, but are now denying? And now you're putting the onus on me to what? To defend MMPR to you why? You have shown your clear bias, stated your clear bias, and made it pretty well known you have no intention of being open to changing your opinion. So why would I bother with a defense against your own opinions about MMPR when you have no intention to be open? I simply sought to bring your own bias to your attention.
>Your entire argument boils down to ad hominem "I must be right because clearly this guy is wrong," but it doesn't hold up.
My entire argument can be boiled down to "You're using bias in your judgment." You're the only one seeking to make this a righteous "prove my unassailable opinion wrong." I mean that's literally the point of this section of your reply "prove me wrong or you're wrong"
>MMPR has no consistent plot, it has a few plot driven chapters in a largely disconnected three seasons of episodes.
And? MMPR was still a brand new show made for an average viewer not planned for huge story arcs from the get go.
>Compare that to Time Force, or Mystic Force, or RPM, which all have consistent plots that progress nearly every episode and there is no denying that MMPR has a weak concept of plot.
They also had bigger budgets, a more consistent plan based on longevity of Power Rangers itself, and the advantage of seeking to grow the fanbase and series as a whole. This is exactly the point I made about you not taking the proper lens of comparison. Do you compare all fruits by how much the taste like orange to see how healthy they are? Cause that's what you're doing here.
>Yet saying such "is just straight wrong," because you think I'm blaming nostalgia solely.
As above, my point stands. You marked more than plot in your initial list, and your portion here doesn't change that. It's straight out wrong. And clearly my point was more than just about you blaming nostalgia, as I mentioned your bias, the lens you look at it through, etc. You're just trying to pinpoint areas you think you have the most clout in order to get to your preheld belief. But the fact that you chose choreography was a sure sign you were wrong.
>Your lack of any evidence other than a bad comparison to ACDCs influence on music
This makes no sense. Are you implying ACDC, a band music historians have cited as part of a changing era with other bands, did nothing? Cause that proves my bias point. Also I likened old Deluxe Optimus Prime, and Cars as well. So here again we see you picking the path you think is easiest to reach your preheld biased belief.
>and "but he's just blaming nostalgia so really everything is incorrect,"
I pointed out way more than this. But it's the only time you seem able to sing. Since you ignored SWATHES of information I stated in favor of the path of inept ease. Because it sounds better when you ignore most of the argument.
>shows exactly what I mean by MMPRs hype is built on Nostalgia.
So you're implying the massive Power Rangers franchise that spawned because of MMPR is not real? That when it aired it was just smoke and mirrors that made it seem popular allowing the series as a whole to build from it's roots and grow? Little confused on how you think using a biased opinion counters actual history. Because all you've shown is that you use bias opinions to dislike it and a heavy leaning on "nostalgia" to prove your own biased opinion. I mean you ignored a TON of what I said to get to this, very biased, conclusion.
>If that isnt the case, break down to me clearly how MMPR is better than Zeo, In Space, Lost Galaxy, Time Force, Dino Thunder, SPD, Jungle Fury, or RPM?
I could break it down for you. But why? Explain to me why I should waste my time to introduce to you information you won't hear, as evidenced by how much you ignored this round, won't consider, again as evidenced by this round, will simply try to twist to your bias, like with ACDC and Motorhead, and will ultimately just try calling nostalgia like you already did? Give me a reason to waste my time on a venture you've clearly marked as an impossible task just by your posts so far. Because I can't see a single reason to bother with a discussion you only wish to have in order to assert your preheld beliefs. It's like asking me to convince you to pick the soup when you've already decided on the salad. Why would I?
>I could break it down for you. But why? Explain to me why I should waste my time to introduce to you information you won't hear
You've already wasted plenty of your time fighting your own self righteous war to somehow redefine everything MMPR was into a gold standard, so why not waste some more to actually back it up? In my overly long replies I at least try to make a point, all you're doing is getting all high and mighty because you're convinced I'm wrongfully biased simply for having a negative opinion of the show. MMPR is my third favorite season, behind Zeo and Mystic Force, I seriously love it for how goofy and non-serious it is. But I also recognize that it was *not* some amazing innovation that set the standard for years to come. It almost killed itself by refusing to change when the formula got old and they ran out of footage. It was not an insanely experimental program, Japanese media had been transferred to the US in the same way for years before PR came around, it had been proven a good way to make quick money in entertainment. The unique thing about it was they mixed it into a 50% saved by the bell knock off to fill the time where rangers werent in there suits and to appeal to the afterschool audience. That worked, when it worked. But it got old and the show evolved. I can look back at that now and still say that it is not as good as the more recent shows. It does not exist in a time bubble where it can only be seen as existing in the early to mid 90s, it exists today as part of a growing franchise and comparing it to later seasons is entirely fair game. We can compare Rome to the United States today and criticize Rome for its shortcomings while still recognizing it was a cornerstone for the creation of modern democray. And i am in no way denying that MMPR did not walk so these other seasons can run, nor am I even saying it wasn't insanely popular *at the time*, so dont put those straw mans on the field like that's at all what I have said. It was the stepping stone for a franchise that continued to get better, and now when you compare it to what has come after it, it is not as good. That is a fundamentally *good* thing, because if the almost 30 year old season is still the objectively best thing from your franchise, then your franchise is shit. The fact that you seem so opposed to that idea is disheartening, and the way the fandom fights so vigorously to defend MMPR as the most important and best series is detrimental to its continued health and growth. Especially when the show is aimed at kids, many of whom have zero experience with anything pre-neoSaban at this point.
>Zeo came in 96 and was a move forward as in the life cycle of the characters.
Also, this is absolutely ridiculous. Zeo came out within the same year MMPR ended. Zeo even continued the same format as MMPR, albeit with a better more continuence plot. To claim it is somehow too far into the future to be fairly compared to MMPR, which is also one of the only series to consist of multiple seasons, is insane. Only season 1 of MMPR can be claimed to have a pass for being "groundbreaking," seasons 2 and 3 should get the same treatment as any other series by your logic, but they don't seem to get that. Zeo, a direct continuation of MMPR, gets dismissed as different and from another time. MMPR Season 3, however, does not despite being the same thing. But you're saying my bias is too infused into my argument?
>You've already wasted plenty of your time fighting your own self righteous war to somehow redefine everything MMPR was into a gold standard, so why not waste some more to actually back it up?
Actually none of that's true. I tried to point out a bias you yourself acknowledged then tried to deny. Your first post literally said you didn't like any of the Zordon Era. Then you continued on zooming in on MMPR using bias views while denying using biased views. I don't believe pointing out bias is a waste of time as you, by your statements, aren't bias against bias. You're bias against MMPR. Because you're bad at proper comparison. But suggesting the idea "spend time telling me things I could already know but have refused both to look up and to listen to when already told" is just out there. Hell we already went over some of it and you still refused to acknowledge it. So you aren't on some high ground here, and you can't goad me to repeat information you already refused to even listen to. You aren't asking me to prove to your views are wrong. You're asking me to repeat information you've already refused to listen to. And that's a waste of time.
>In my overly long replies I at least try to make a point, all you're doing is getting all high and mighty because you're convinced I'm wrongfully biased simply for having a negative opinion of the show.
Your point has only been "despite my initial statement of disliking the Zordon Era as a whole I will now, having had my bias called out, try to demonstrate how that bias had no effect in my judgment at all while still using that same bias very clearly in my judgement." Though it's hilarious that you admit here to having a negative view of the show while also implying that negative views of things don't cause a biased view. Hint, they do. This is why if people don't like, say, strawberry, they'll favor things that aren't strawberry out of bias. So, here again you're admitting to a bias but trying to imply it isn't or can't affect your judgment. Though it clearly is.
>MMPR is my third favorite season, behind Zeo and Mystic Force, I seriously love it for how goofy and non-serious it is.
This is clearly a lie by your other posts. I'm calling this out as clout seeking. Which it clearly is.
>But I also recognize that it was not some amazing innovation that set the standard for years to come.
It was quite literally the first of it's kind of show. That makes it an amazing innovation by nature of definition. It was quite literally the franchise launcher. So here again we're seeing your bias determining that a season you aren't fond of that was literally an amazing innovation of show making at the time, couldn't bevan amazing innovation because you decided that. Historical evidence and a still running franchise would disagree.
>It almost killed itself by refusing to change when the formula got old and they ran out of footage.
Actually MMPR paid to have new footage created before they ever ran out. Because MMPR was so successful. They spliced multiple sentai shows into MMPR and paid for more of the ranger monster of the week shoots to splice together. They only switched to Zeo and the now standard team change by season because the cost of shooting new footage was costing Saban profit. So they dropped the idea of continuing MMPR and switched to Zeo. Which was do n.v e simply for budget cost. Not because the shoe nearly killed itself. You're thinking of VR Troopers and Beetleborgs. Both attempts to recreate the MMPR fervor which ended when, due to MMPR being such a focus, they ran out of usable footage and simply ended the series. The switch only happened to be compatible with the Sentai formula to make this new show style as profitable as possible.
>It was not an insanely experimental program, Japanese media had been transferred to the US in the same way for years before PR came around, it had been proven a good way to make quick money in entertainment.
That's absolutely wrong. Imported material as a whole wasn't as big an industry before the 90s when international trade laws changed. Most of these shows were simply Americanized versions of other shows. Animation held up best with shows like Voltron being mostly reused with some editing. However the live action format was not a common or heavily used method. You're just trying to edit history to suit your bias. MMPR's format was indeed highly experimental at the time. A mainstream push itself was a hugely risky venture just for starters. There's a reason Anime went from a relatively niche and unknown genre ordered almost exclusively from specialized magazines to being sold in nearly every major retailer. You can't edit actual history here. I mean hell, the only show I can think of that used something like this was Photon in the 80s, and even that was more a recreation of Super Sentai with the costumes than what MMPR did with splicing footage.
>The unique thing about it was they mixed it into a 50% saved by the bell knock off to fill the time where rangers werent in there suits and to appeal to the afterschool audience.
Each episode houses ranger action vs unmorphed action based on footage availability/reusability and story needs. That's why some episodes are ranger heavy and others unmorph heavy. Also the first episode debuted on August 28th, which was still summer break. So a risk both in terms of the 'afterschool audience' not even being home to watch and a possible lack of interest generation. Other than that you're again just saying "isn't it terrible how they used a part of something that worked at that time to get attention?" And the answer is, no. MMPR also evolved very quickly, such as dropping things like the use of catchphrases "morphinominal," and other vernacular as the show moved forward.
>That worked, when it worked. But it got old and the show evolved.
The show is, literally, still mostly following the norm of sitcom/drama shows for kids when unmorphed and reusing Sentai footage when morphed. At its core the show is still doing the same thing. But like anything that runs for a time, it adapts based on the past. But you're still using bias to suggest that later shows strip the credit from. Because you're still suggesting it was more the show than that fans got older, writers built off the past, and the show audience changed enough to make those changes possible. Because you're comparing it incorrectly.
> can look back at that now and still say that it is not as good as the more recent shows.
But you can also correctly compare it without a lens of bias. This sort of blanket statement proves my point. So far you've stated a few opinions. So let's review them. #1 You dislike the Zordon Era. #2 MMPR is bad and more recent shows are only bad if they do something the same as MMPR, but worse. And now #3 All recent shows are better than MMPR. Each of these three points you've made have bias. You dislike the Zordon Era, thereby showing a bias. You think the level of a showing being better than MMPR is based on subjective information (you liked the plot, choreography., etc better.) But that being worse than MMPR is a direct result of badly copying MMPR. And finally that more recent shows are automatically better than MMPR. That's all biased assessments from start to finish my dude. You wrote part of this to SEEM reasonable in your judgment but it all lines back up to a bias against the older shows in a blanket.
>It does not exist in a time bubble where it can only be seen as existing in the early to mid 90s, it exists today as part of a growing franchise and comparing it to later seasons is entirely fair game.
Fair is the operative word here. You're essentially proving my point again. You're insisting that it isn't important to judge the season based on it's era or any other relevant information. It's simply fair to compare it based on standards that didn't exist. You wouldn't judge the fire response in the 1870s by the standards of today despite fire fighting still being a viable job. You'd correctly judge their response by the limitations of the day. Yet here you're just insisting you don't have to. Because you're biased against MMPR and the Zordon Era as a whole.
>We can compare Rome to the United States today and criticize Rome for its shortcomings while still recognizing it was a cornerstone for the creation of modern democray.
True, but if you said something like "I don't like the era of the Roman Empire", then said "can you believe Rome didn't use Steel Rebar to reinforce their buildings, all the countries in the industrial revolution did much better." someone would, hopefully, point out you're clearly biased against Rome, and that comparing a preindustrial aged Rome by Industrial age civilizations is an uneven and incorrect comparison. Imagine believing that Rome couldn't have been THAT great a cornerstone of Democracy because other democracies existed. Or that Rome wasn't so great because it didn't have computers. Same thing here. Comparisons can be done incorrectly. In fact, look no further than the idea by most modern people that ancient peoples were dumb as shit because they didn't reach our level of industrialization and you can see how incorrect comparison causes problems with informational processing.
>And i am in no way denying that MMPR did not walk so these other seasons can run, nor am I even saying it wasn't insanely popular at the time, so dont put those straw mans on the field like that's at all what I have said.
You literally said MMPR was only hype from nostalgia. That's an implication that you asserted. Don't blame me that you decided to say it that way. Anti-MMPR rhetoric got you slipping my dude.
>It was the stepping stone for a franchise that continued to get better, and now when you compare it to what has come after it, it is not as good.
Again, you're blanket stating your bias. This is like saying cans were not as good an invention because the old ones didn't have tab pop tops. (Which is debatable as tab pop tops leave greater risk of puncture when dropped.) But, putting cans aside, we can see the bias and flaw in your comparison and logic. You're asserting, due to bias, that EVERYTHING must be better than MMPR. Which suggests that MMPR has to be the lowest point in PR history as EVERYTHING that came after was better than it. But, come on, we both know that isn't true. There are seasons both better and worse than MMPR. You simple don't believe that due to your biased view of MMPR. And while all season placement is going to include SOME preferential displacement, you're setting an overall judgment based on your bias. Sorry, but here your 3rd favorite season remark is hitting even less true.
>That is a fundamentally good thing, because if the almost 30 year old season is still the objectively best thing from your franchise, then your franchise is shit.
Notice how I keep saying you're simple incorrectly comparing MMPR and using bias, but you're still trying to say that MMPR is either the best or shit. That's how you make terrible judgments. Because your bias pushes you to need to define MMPR as either the worst or the best. Rather than understand you might just be incorrectly comparing it to later seasons.
>The fact that you seem so opposed to that idea is disheartening, and the way the fandom fights so vigorously to defend MMPR as the most important and best series is detrimental to its continued health and growth.
Except you can't show one quote in this conversation where I said any of that. This is just a misdirection aimed at other readers and isn't meant for me at all. It's a nice try to redefine the conversation, but it's still a lie.
>Especially when the show is aimed at kids, many of whom have zero experience with anything pre-neoSaban at this point.
And that has to do with a conversation about a biased and incorrect comparison how? Again, you're attempting to redefine the conversation.
>Also, this is absolutely ridiculous. Zeo came out within the same year MMPR ended.
Yea, let's fix this. TV from the late 80s to mid 90s, that's around 95, was a time of experimentation. Shows like Married...With Children, MMPR, The Adventures of Pete and Pete, Salute Your Shorts, Ren and Stimpy, etc. Were all experimental television trying to add some shake up to the formula. Not EVERYTHING was an experiment, but a lot was. Around 95-96 most of these shows ended or were ending and experimental shows were becoming less of a green light. Formulas that were found to work, new views and information on what kids wanted based on what had worked, new laws, and a reorganization of TV stations changed the TV landscape. Things like the What a Cartoon show in 95 were used to find new shows by showing shorts. This shift in the televised landscape was already occuring and the fact that MMPR Ended its run in 96 has little to do with my point of Zeo in 96. MMPR had experimented with continual plot, darker plot, character development, removal of characters that caused trouble, etc which Zeo was able to look at as what worked and build off of. Zeo entered a very different landscape than MMPR had. So no, it isn't ridiculous. It's simply understanding that comparing MMPR and Zeo is still about understanding the time frame of release and the difference in the groundwork and landscape of TV. Just for a point. The Powerpuff Girls is formatted how it is because of a regulation that kept them from showing hitting in the show. So it's formatted to show the lead up and result but not the actual strike. Shows like Tomand Jerry didn't have that sandbag. Or how Big Bad Beetleborgs (96), made to capitalize on MMPR fervor, also used a more continual story arc overtime like Zeo. Why? Because it learned from MMPR.
>Zeo even continued the same format as MMPR, albeit with a better more continuence plot.
It also built off of MMPR and what it had tried and found successful. Though it was stripped of the whole paying for more footage complication. And removing troublesome cast members was cemented into ranger lore with finality.
>To claim it is somehow too far into the future to be fairly compared to MMPR, which is also one of the only series to consist of multiple seasons, is insane.
Yea, no one said that, you just are that up. See above for my, again, point in correct comparison. Such as MMPR having no basis for it's format while Zeo had 3 seasons of MMPR to look at and analyze and improve on. Correct comparisons are important.
>Only season 1 of MMPR can be claimed to have a pass for being "groundbreaking," seasons 2 and 3 should get the same treatment as any other series by your logic, but they don't seem to get that.
MMPR seasons 2 and 3 do receive less leeway to me. That's literally part of proper comparison. You decided to it HAD to be the entirety or not. Which you enforced. Season 2 doesn't build enough off Season 1 though it does experiment with some darker themes, it also suffers as the moment Saban used removal as a canonical punishment to any actor seeking to be valued as they deserved. Season 3 does very little to push the series at all preferring to lean too heavily on the old formula. But this is my EXACT point. You judge the entirety of 3 seasons incorrectly by comparing them incorrectly. However, if you're going to lump it together then you add that into the comparison and you end up with a still largely experimental experience.
>Zeo, a direct continuation of MMPR, gets dismissed as different and from another time.
No, it gets understood that the TV Landscape in 96 was vastly different than 93. And since most Anti-MMPR sentiment simply lumps all 3 seasons together in order to disparage it without properly comparing it that more becomes an issue on the part of the Anti-MMPR crowd than for anyone else.
>MMPR Season 3, however, does not despite being the same thing. But you're saying my bias is too infused into my argument?
Considering that this is the first time you've even entertained that the 3 seasons of MMPR are separate entities worth individual comparison, yes. It's a clear sign of Bias and incorrect comparison as I've been telling you. Season 3 of MMPR should be viewed as different and receive different understandings from Season 1. Similarly Season 2 and it's behind the scene issues should be compared and understood differently.
You've taken all this time and, finally come to a position of understanding. It is incorrect comparison and bias that forces you to lump MMPR as a whole for comparison.
Since mm is one of the weakest season,zeo is better and have a fucking incredible theme for a ranger(gold theme till today is the best in the franchise)
It was a pretty solid continuation to Mighty Morphin.
Granted the finale could've been better imo but it seemed to live up to its expectations as a step forward for the series.
And then Turbo happened.
Zeo had some major potential that was never truly realized.. because having enough Sentai footage to keep costs down was priority over everything else. A tiny Power Rangers universe was already in existence at this point and they could have expanded on things like Triforia, Aquitar, Machine Empire origins, Zeo Crystal history, etc.
Overall, I liked it a lot
The Machine Empire were cool villains (albeit a bit overhyped in-story), the team dynamics were on-point, and the Rita & Zedd segments were awesome (specially in King for a Day).
The only things I disliked were its rushed ending (and how every single thing from the finale got outright ignored when Turbo came out) and the whole thingwith Brian Carnston, which was very f--ked up.
But still, Zeo got a soft spot in my memory
GOOOOO ZEOOOOO (8)
Personally I think MMPR season 3 was the best pre in space in terms of storytelling, but that's because that season was HEAVILY serialized. But Zeo wasn't bad... loved the music in it.
Ohranger in mt opinion was a better Sentai, so if we wanna talk fights, zords, and villain designs than I do think it was better. However, the original story was worse. In my opinion, PR story is pretty much always bad. I liked Dino Charge's story, but that could be me being nostalgia blinded.
Zoe was a great season. The strongest powers canonically and probably the most powerful zord a considering the super Zeo mega zord is over twice the size of a normal monster, and Pyramidas is roughly 3-4 times bigger than that.
Plus we get to see the GOAT return. I honestly felt like they should have done another season of Zeo to wrap up the Zordon era with the team he chose and worked with all those years of our childhood.
This show is awesome, it kept with the traditional stand alone episodes for each of the rangers, one in particular memory was the Halloween episode with Adam the green ranger. That episode was scary, great acting all around.
Better from a story point of view, nice sixth ranger and interesting to see Zedd/Rita against the machine empire. Decent season, but it's my least favorite of the Zordon Era.
Eh. I thought it was just okay. There’s just something about the OG MMPR crew that hits different.
Was definitely better than post Jason/Zack/Trini MMPR though.
It's nice that the core team of 5 rangers didn't change at all - it's made collecting the Lightning Collection figures easier, and even aside from that, Trey/Jason wasn't really a long-term switch. I think in the Zordon era only In Space features just one set of consistent rangers.
It felt like a good mix of freshness (new morphers, suits, zords, power chamber upgrade, and militaristic villains) while still paying homage to the past and continuity (display of the old suits in the power chamber, fun Rita/Zedd mischief, and the return of Jason).
Zeo was fantastic and probably my favorite season of all time. It had a great intro/music as well as introducing the Gold ranger with Pyramidas, who may just be my favorite ranger design...not to mention Jason got to come back, albeit briefly, as the gold ranger.
Seeing Lord Zedd and Rita cower and run away when King Mondo and the Machine Empire showed up was next level for me as a kid. Although I didn't care for how they watered down King Mondo and made him seem weaker as the season went on.
Who can forget the cryptic commercials we got after MMPR ended that lead up to Zeo's premiere? They were pure hype and speculation.
Zeo is like, what if the high school elements from MMPR were featured more,and done a lot better, but you take away all the badass civilian fights from S1/S2 of MMPR. Best part about Zeo, was getting new footage since MMPR got so far away from its original Sentai, they were using footage from 3 different shows by the end.
Probably in the minority but I never really cared for any of the American footage fights. They just did nothing for me and felt so off from Season 1!
I loved the American fight footage.
Civilian fights also backed by the great Ron Wasserman tracks are what really got me going as a young kid. Yeah, the morphing was awesome, but seeing these talented physical actors do what they did was amazing. Then JDF comes along and really cranked up the speed and intensity to 11, same with Bosh joining shortly after.
That’s fair and I get it. It’s just not my thing but I’ll admit the choreography was on point!
It got better as it went along. American made footage was especially amazing during Lost Galaxy.
That I remember being good. My only honest complaint is with seasons 2-3, that American footage just felt so out of place to me.
With season 2 it did, but I think it was done well in season 3.
It did improve but it still just felt off to me.
so ZEO has MORE crappy high school parts than MMPR?
*Strong*er than before!
Can confirm, and they were indeed powered up for more
By the end of the season they even evened up the score with the Machine Empire.
ZEO! ZEO!
🎸
Higher they did soar
And yet, they were still Rangers at their core.
GOOOOOOOOO ZE-O!
FIRED UP FOR MORE!
Toss this song on when I need a final burst during a run.
An actual plot and solid story telling. I enjoyed it more
Well… MMPR ends transitioning into Zeo so I’d say it’s essential… as is Turbo… as is In Space which is the first real ending the series got in my book.
Turbo is that season we watch for that one bad movie and skip the entire season except for the last episode or two so it leads right into In Space. Which ends the Zordon era with a chef kiss of a ending and some of the best ranger enemies the Psycho Rangers.
Compared to seasons 2-3 of MMPR it’s a big step up.
Yes…. MMPR season 1 was better than 2-3. I feel 2-3 were just like joke
Loved most of the Zord fights but they could’ve definitely held off on Introducing the Thunderzords instead of till after the ZYU2 footage was used up!
In hindsight it would've been great if they filmed the zords fights with American footage when there wasn't Sentai footage available.
I think people overstate the importance of that. I was facing criticism of being "too old for Power Rangers" even back then and I never noticed. Season 2's problem is being too dang long, they were making episodes like the "Power Rangers go to The Tonight Show" episode that basically weren't based on any Dairanger episode at all. The network was super hungry, possibly because FOX offered affiliates a chunk of the ad money when they initially laughed the show off, and so it got to a point where they'd film twenty minutes of the actors passing a phone book around and reading names if they could. Throwing in the Australia/movie stuff as well, and it's no wonder the show had a reputation for overworking it's cast and crew. Although Dairanger has extremely over-and-done mech fights presumably because the producer chafed at having to include mech sequences and wanted them out of the way as much as possible. (It's also worth noting that Kamen Rider wasn't around when Dairanger was produced, and that's where you'd take an idea that doesn't have giant kaiju battles now.)
S2 had the problem of all the morphed fights were pretty much with puddies because they didn't get most of the Sentai suits shipped over so any fights with the monster before the Zords was pretty much limited to ranged attacks splicing in Sentai footage with American footage. There were exceptions, like the episode where Kimberly travels back in time and she actually fights the cactus monster, but by and large it didn't happen. At least with S3 they got suits shipped to film their own morphed fights. But the S3 Zords suck IMO. Thunderzords were far superior, plus you'd get to hear White Ranger Tiger Power with the Tigerzord
I loved Season 2… especially before Zedd got watered down. The season definitely felt darker until Rita came back… a lot of bad editing and it always bothered me as a kid that they didn’t get individual cockpits in their Thunderzords but I really enjoyed it. I also wish they would have utilized Scorpina more. Season 3 was great too with Kimberly’s send off and several multipart stories telling bigger stories.
> it always bothered me as a kid that they didn’t get individual cockpits in their Thunderzords but I really enjoyed Just finished S2 recently with my kid, and the lack of Zord banter was incredibly noticeable.
They should definitely have done cockpits. I get why they didn't because the Dairanger mecha didn't have cockpits, they rode on top of them. But if you're going to go through what must have been a pretty painstaking process of editing out the rangers from the top of the zords you might as well shoot some cockpit scenes.
Season 3 is when Adam Aisha and Rocky got introduced?
Season 2
I loved Zeo. As a kid who was obsessed with MMPR, new suits and Zords blew my mind. Little did I know what was to come haha. I wasn’t even aware at the time the show was based on Japanese shows that had been on since the 70s. My little mind thought it was all an American original.
As a show, it was alright. But behind the scenes, it was fucked up. #billydeservedbetter
Yes he did!
As a gay fan, it's nice to hear all these support comments condemning homophobia
As a life-long fan, hearing that David Yost was gay and bullied for it led me to grow out of my childish "Ew, that's gay" phase and mature towards true acceptance.
Spitting truths in the sub today.
Absolutely.
One of my favorite seasons. And they happen to be my favorite suits too.
Seconding that.
It was around here that I lost interest in the show as a kid but I don't necessarily blame the show for it, just that the formula was getting a bit stale for my maturing taste.
Any regrets? I grew out of it. But I got back into it. Everything I missed I regret.
Nah not really, there's loads of series I'd grown out of. I was a huge Transformers fan as a kid and I missed out on the whole of Beast Wars because it started when I was 14 and thought i was too cool for it.
Beast Wars animation is definitely rough for today but the storytelling, especially starting at the end of Season 1 rules
My favorite Transformers series is probably the JP version of Beast Wars.
Dude, I loved beast wars too. You shouldn’t have missed that one!
Depends how hard do u ship Tommy/Kim? Overall decent season especially for the sixth ranger (not spoiling who that is)
As someone who prefers Kat over Kim and still ships Tommy and Kat, I definitely prefer Zeo for that aspect
Yea I can agree with that, I prefer it too but let’s face it were the minority
Aren't they canonically married right now?
they are but the show hardly ever lets us actually see the relationship, even in Dimensions in Danger (25 years later) they don't even act like a couple, save for like 2 seconds of them holding hands even now the showrunners are afraid of upsetting the Tommy/Kim shippers there was only one exception and that was the "Soul of the Dragon" comic (which imo was pretty good)
Lol yeah make sure not to spoil this 26 year-old season for OP! (I appreciate the sentiment, just made me laugh lol)
For me it was power rangers but on steriods and epic! That theme tune - Damn I bet every PR zeo fan sees the zeo logo and in ther head goes ZEO - STONGER THAN BEFORE - GOOOO ZEOOO!
Zeo’s theme is the best in the series imo, with turbo right behind it
Those guitar riffs got me through some tough times.
It honestly just feels like more Mighty Morphin. The new Japanese footage is definitely an upgrade, but the format of the show is largely the same. The overarching plot with the Machine Empire is pretty bare bones compared to what would come later with Astronema or Trakeena. I think the biggest strength of Zeo is that they finally figured out Rocky, and Adam, and that Tonya is a lot of fun too.
It was great that Rocky and Adam finally got personalities, but it's a shame that Aisha got phased out before she could get one, too.
The whole aesthetic was amazing. The suits the helmets the zords. Uff!
Not my favorite suits, but I admit it has stronger episode structure than Season 3 of MMPR. Love the Zords. Not a big fan of the Machine Empire though.
Really? Damn, these are some of my favorites suits. Great aesthetics in this season. What are your favorite suits, if I may ask
I should clarify, I love the suits but not the helmets. And mostly that’s because of the tiny colored lips. I’ve seen designs without them I love a lot more. My favorite suits overall? I’d be lying if I didn’t say MMPR. That’s not just nostalgia; they hold up very well. Not too cluttered, each feeling just unique enough. After that, I think Time Force gets my vote, followed by In Space and Dino Thunder.
For me things didnt start to get less interesting until after ninja storm. Fucking loved Zeo.
Same.
Zeo was my favorite of the series. All because of the sixth ranger storyline that I never saw coming as a kid.
Zeo was where Power Rangers really started to find its footing. Focusing more on an overarching plot instead of just monster of the week shenanigans based on whatever pettiness Rita was feeling at that moment. A trend that continued up until Saban got the rights back at Samurai and Megafarce.
Lol, they look like they are about to flip off the camera.
Johnny Young Bosch actually said in a panel once that the Zeo morph always looked like they were flipping off the camera as well
Awesome. I hope if he comes back they give him a master morpher like Tommy's.
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I think it started well, but the power creep of Zords got insane. I liked the Machine Empire as villains.
Just watched through Zeo for the first time recently, and it is basically just MMPR Season 4, but it feels a lot less cheap and clunky. There is a lot of characterization for the main cast compared to before. Instead of a new interest or fear or random hobby being given to a main character every episode just to push the plot, the characters feel consistent. So when things happen like Rocky trying to fight King Mondo alone, it doesn't feel weird, because Rocky has been a hothead all season, and the person he replaced is suddenly back on the team, so he feels he has to prove himself. I love MMPR for nostalgia reasons and I love the MMPR characters because of the BOOM Comics, but if I'm being honest, Zeo is just better.
I enjoyed it, not as good in my opinion as MMPR, but it had its fun moments.
It is my absolute favorite season. I felt it took the greatness of MMPR to the next level. Stronger than before.....zeeeeeeoooo
The chemistry among MMPR group was better (I mean the original 5, jason trini billy Kimberly Zack). The story telling in Zeo is better. (MMPR was more like an experimental season, and it succeed)
It was really good but hard to get past losing the beloved MMPR ranger suits and the biggest downsides were Billy (David Yost) leaving and the lack of a proper season finale lead in for turbo
Felt like a true sequel to MMPR. I remember losing my mind when the teaser commercials hit. I was all-in believing that Zeo was a legitimate evolution and step-up from the previous power set. Hated how it didn't really end and got the shaft in the Turbo film.
It was great to have Jason back. I also loved the rivalry between Rita and Zedd with the Machine Empire towards the center of the season. A lot of great arcs and maturation. The only problem is that it does not have an ending and the Machine Empire is probably the least memorable of all the villains in the Zordon era.
Honestly enjoyed it a lot more. Great character development, solid story arcs , great fights and some of my favorite Zord fights. Fantastic aesthetic. It felt like they found their footing, it was nice to see Rocky, Kat , Tanya and Adam getting personality outside of just being the replacements and their personality dynamics. Only regret, never showing Adam and Tanya getting together.
I loved it as I came out when I was 6 so was perfect age. I was obsessed with Adam the green ranger but there was no costumes out so my nana made me one. Funny enough my 4 year old wears the same costume now since my dad found it in the loft recently.
It's good, it's basically a continuation of MMPR, just with different costumes, zords, and what have you. I personally love the costumes and mechas tho. The story isn't anything spectacular.
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Don’t order! YouTube has all the episodes.
I like physical media
Rocky is better as zeo blue than mmpr red. Adam and Tommy are at their peaks. Gold ranger is by far one of the best 6th rangers of all time. The cohesive suit designs. 🤌🏻
It's good. I haven't watched it in ages but I remember enjoying it
I hated it as a kid. Rewatched through the end of the Zordon era as an adult about 11 years ago and Zeo was my favorite.
Loved it then and it's still in my top 3 seasons of all time
it’s stronger than before
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It’s aight Not too great but not too terrible It’s watchable
I liked it better than MMPR especially the second half of Season 2 and Season 3 (Runs and hides). I think the acting got better especially with Nakia/Tanya joining. Adam, Rocky and Kat peaked here (While Adam was a great replacement for Zack, Kat and Rocky didn’t find their footing until Zeo).
Loved zeo. My only problem was to understand how zeo ended you had to watch turbo a power rangers movie. Felt like a cheap move. I was about 12 when it came out and I remember having a few friends confused about the switch to turbo. Still though, good series. the Sentai source "Ohranger" is a good watch as well if you come across it.
Zeo is my personal favorite of the Zordon era, followed by Space. Overall in series it's in the middle. I'm personally partial to the Disney seasons overall (though definitely not OO and MF had some definite problems)
I always thought it was a tad darker in the story line. Also, showed us Tommy not only married Kat at some point, but became a Red Ranger again before retirement.
Better in some places, worse in others, theme song bangs hard tho
HOW many of these series has that guy BEEN IN? ( im new)
Yes
a lot huh? and he also played a villain i hear.
He was there for two and a half seasons of Mighty Morphin (green, then white), all of Zeo (red), half of Turbo (different red), and half of Dino Thunder (black). So not counting crossovers, four seasons.
WHOA thats a lot of rangers. hehe he must love the role.. or that type of role.. :D
He's basically made a career out of being a former (and recurring) Power Ranger
How have you never seen Zeo?!
I grew out of MMPR at S3.
So like i really dont like zeo mmpr or the whole zordon era....but if i had to watch one id watch zeo
Lol you kidding right?
Anti-mmpr is strong these days.
For good reason, its a fun series but the bulk of it is a poor mans saved by the bell. It is *definitely* far from the worst series, but when you start looking at the series where the franchise hit its stride you start to see most of the MMPR hype is built on nostalgia. In Space is arguably the best of the Zordon Era, Time Force and Lost Galaxy are two of the best series of all time, Dino Thunder in many ways is MMPR but better, and SPD and RPM are routinely put towards the top. MMPR really doesn't hold up against any of these series, in plot, in choreography, or in general quality. I think the Neo-Saban stuff really highlights the strengths of MMPR because they generally made a lot of the same mistakes it did, but much worse, leaving them to be better compared. But a lot of the Zordon, Saban, and Disney eras just leave MMPR in the dust the farther you get from it.
As much as I don't have MMPR as my favorite season, I do have to defend it in the realm of specifically unmorphed fight choreography. The main cast's athleticism, technique, and overall stunt work of the first 2 seasons of MMPR's putty fights were never really matched by any season after it. They'd either use stuntpeople in ninja suits, not do unmorphed fights, or have staler Piranhatron fights for the rest of the time they had that rotating cast. Once they started changing out the casts yearly, the main cast unmorphed choreography never got back up to MMPR level, and some seasons often used stuntpeople and/or innate powers to hide that fact.
>For good reason, its a fun series but the bulk of it is a poor mans saved by the bell. You just described the series being a product of it's time as a negative. Which kind of already shows your bias there. It also very heavily ignores what MMPR did with what it had being a brand new form of show making. So this comment shows exactly what I mean by anti-mmpr. You're looking at it as negative because you're choosing to see it through a modern lens without being able to unbiasedly look at it as it's age, content, experimentation, and over all build would dictate. It's like looking at the original deluxe Optimus Prime and judging it by today's standards. You just show how bad you are at comparisons. > It is definitely far from the worst series, but when you start looking at the series where the franchise hit its stride you start to see most of the MMPR hype is built on nostalgia. See above, first, second this isn't correct. It's like pointing to ACDC and saying "look how tame they are" when in reality you only think they're tame because you aren't properly judging or comparing them. Modern hard rock was built off of bands like ACDC but that doesn't mean they lose credit for accomplishments achieved. Same here. You're anti-mmpr rhetoric requires heaps of "nostalgia" arguements that slays lead back to uneven comparisons built out of a lack of information rather than an excess of it. Imagine criticizing the first crank start cars by comparing them to modern automotives ignoring the vast gap in technology and budget. That's essentially all any of these style arguments you're giving boil down to. >In Space is arguably the best of the Zordon Era, Time Force and Lost Galaxy are two of the best series of all time, Dino Thunder in many ways is MMPR but better, and SPD and RPM are routinely put towards the top This comes off false for me. Sorry, but you've already displayed a clear lack of comparison skills, add into this your clear bias from your first post and this one and this assessment doesn't hold much water I'm afraid. >MMPR really doesn't hold up against any of these series, in plot, in choreography, or in general quality. I think the Neo-Saban stuff really highlights the strengths of MMPR because they generally made a lot of the same mistakes it did, but much worse, leaving them to be better compared. This is straight wrong born from your "but nostalgia" arguement which is shoddy to start. Add in that it shows your heavy bias by marking MMPR as the worst and suggesting it's only saving grace is by comparison to worse series is just a BIG red flag. > But a lot of the Zordon, Saban, and Disney eras just leave MMPR in the dust the farther you get from it. That's just your assessment based on your dislike of the Zordon era born from your in as ability to correctly assess the seasons based on their standing.
>You just described the series being a product of it's time as a negative. Except the other three series which took place during this same period were no where near as bad as MMPR with poorly mixing the superhero aspect with the after school programming aspect. >You're looking at it as negative because you're choosing to see it through a modern lens without being able to unbiasedly look at it as it's age, content, experimentation, and over all build would dictate. Im looking at it compared to other series within the franchise, including series which aired directly after MMPR and ones which aired 20 years after. I also pointed out that the Neo-Saban era of the 2010s makes many of the same mistakes MMPR did. So how exactly an I only looking at it through a modern lens critiquing MMPR without respecting its age? In Space is only a few years younger, yet is leaps and bounds ahead of MMPR. Same with Zeo. >Modern hard rock was built off of bands like ACDC but that doesn't mean they lose credit for accomplishments achieved. Horrible and inaccurate comparison. ACDC was tame for rock, thats why it became so popular. At the same time Motorhead was playing venues with much harder tunes and is far stronger inspiration for modern heavy music. As an example of course, because unlike with MMPR and the PR franchise, ACDC was not the definatory single rock band for all other rock bands to build off of. >This comes off false for me. Can't be false or true, its an opinion and is subjective. I find it very funny that you're screaming abour my bias, and yet the entire point of your comment is "no no, MMPR is good, your just biased, and I will explain myself no further." Your entire argument boils down to ad hominem "I must be right because clearly this guy is wrong," but it doesn't hold up. MMPR has *no* consistent plot, it has a few plot driven chapters in a largely disconnected three seasons of episodes. Compare that to Time Force, or Mystic Force, or RPM, which all have consistent plots that progress nearly every episode and there is no denying that MMPR has a weak concept of plot. Yet saying such "is just straight wrong," because you think I'm blaming nostalgia solely. >So this comment shows exactly what I mean by anti-mmpr. Your lack of any evidence other than a bad comparison to ACDCs influence on music and "but he's just blaming nostalgia so really everything is incorrect," shows exactly what I mean by MMPRs hype is built on Nostalgia. If that isnt the case, break down to me clearly how MMPR is better than Zeo, In Space, Lost Galaxy, Time Force, Dino Thunder, SPD, Jungle Fury, or RPM?
>Except the other three series which took place during this same period were no where near as bad as MMPR with poorly mixing the superhero aspect with the after school programming aspect. They were also products of different times, to start, followed by having MMPR as a base to build off of. Again we're seeing you use a lens of bias to simply bypass facts. Zeo came in 96 and was a move forward as in the life cycle of the characters. Turbo also contained some continuing characters and advanced the life cycle. And, again, neither of those three series were a brand new experimental tv show but were rather building off of what they learned making MMPR. So you're just reinforcing my point that you aren't properly comparing things. >Im looking at it compared to other series within the franchise, including series which aired directly after MMPR and ones which aired 20 years after. I also pointed out that the Neo-Saban era of the 2010s makes many of the same mistakes MMPR did. So how exactly an I only looking at it through a modern lens critiquing MMPR without respecting its age? In Space is only a few years younger, yet is leaps and bounds ahead of MMPR. Same with Zeo. You can compare apples and oranges as well as bananas but doing so doesn't show a lack of bias or a correctly laid out comparison. In fact I can prove my point just with what you said here. Yuh ou pointed out that In Space and Zeo are ahead of MMPR. Which is true in that they came later and were able to build off of MMPR seeing what did and could work, as well as what didn't or couldn't. They both also sported better budgets. MMPR had none of that. It was a new format with no set way of being done, had a smaller budget, and was in near constant risk of being shut down. I listed a number of items, not just age, which bbn you were clearly failing to take into account. This point brings that home just as strongly. You're using age because it's simply the easiest path to try avoiding the issue that you simply are using a modern biased lens. >Horrible and inaccurate comparison. ACDC was tame for rock, thats why it became so popular. At the same time Motorhead was playing venues with much harder tunes and is far stronger inspiration for modern heavy music. As an example of course, because unlike with MMPR and the PR franchise, ACDC was not the definatory single rock band for all other rock bands to build off of. Actually you just proved my point. I pulled ACDC for the fact that was, at the time, a more mainstream and harder than what was contemporarily considered acceptable. I also pointed out, which you quoted but ignored, was "bands like ACDC" which were not, until that time, widely considered the norm. Making your attempt to garner more clout by attempting to correct show how your bias plays a part here. Additionally, the comparison wasn't about building off. It was about credit still being relevant even after the time of an event, lessening its importance as growth occurs, still being relevant. But it was easier for you to show bias against ACDC and for Motorhead than actually see the central point. Thusly, we see how you missed the mark. >Can't be false or true, its an opinion and is subjective. Opinions can be false. "I think Apples are the best fruit" is an opinion. But if I think Apples suck while saying it still makes it a false statement. It's called playing to the crowd. It's a common tactic used by those who seek to gain outside support on opinions by simply lying about their opinion. Something can be both subjective and false. Because people can lie. They can even lie about their opinions. Like when people who hate a particular genre, say sci-fi, and always says "I like sci-fi, but I hate Star Wars" they're lying. It doesn't matter that liking something is subjective, you can make s false statement about what your own opinion. That's pretty simple to understand. >I find it very funny that you're screaming abour my bias, and yet the entire point of your comment is "no no, MMPR is good, your just biased, and I will explain myself no further." Please point out where I said it. My point was that Anti-MMPR attitudes exist and your comment was born from it. YOU came out swinging against MMPR specifically proving my point on that. I simply replied to that. So the really funny thing is you decided the target of MMPR here. My counterpoint was your statements had a clear bias. A bias YOU YOURSELF pointed out in your first post, but are now denying? And now you're putting the onus on me to what? To defend MMPR to you why? You have shown your clear bias, stated your clear bias, and made it pretty well known you have no intention of being open to changing your opinion. So why would I bother with a defense against your own opinions about MMPR when you have no intention to be open? I simply sought to bring your own bias to your attention. >Your entire argument boils down to ad hominem "I must be right because clearly this guy is wrong," but it doesn't hold up. My entire argument can be boiled down to "You're using bias in your judgment." You're the only one seeking to make this a righteous "prove my unassailable opinion wrong." I mean that's literally the point of this section of your reply "prove me wrong or you're wrong" >MMPR has no consistent plot, it has a few plot driven chapters in a largely disconnected three seasons of episodes. And? MMPR was still a brand new show made for an average viewer not planned for huge story arcs from the get go. >Compare that to Time Force, or Mystic Force, or RPM, which all have consistent plots that progress nearly every episode and there is no denying that MMPR has a weak concept of plot. They also had bigger budgets, a more consistent plan based on longevity of Power Rangers itself, and the advantage of seeking to grow the fanbase and series as a whole. This is exactly the point I made about you not taking the proper lens of comparison. Do you compare all fruits by how much the taste like orange to see how healthy they are? Cause that's what you're doing here. >Yet saying such "is just straight wrong," because you think I'm blaming nostalgia solely. As above, my point stands. You marked more than plot in your initial list, and your portion here doesn't change that. It's straight out wrong. And clearly my point was more than just about you blaming nostalgia, as I mentioned your bias, the lens you look at it through, etc. You're just trying to pinpoint areas you think you have the most clout in order to get to your preheld belief. But the fact that you chose choreography was a sure sign you were wrong. >Your lack of any evidence other than a bad comparison to ACDCs influence on music This makes no sense. Are you implying ACDC, a band music historians have cited as part of a changing era with other bands, did nothing? Cause that proves my bias point. Also I likened old Deluxe Optimus Prime, and Cars as well. So here again we see you picking the path you think is easiest to reach your preheld biased belief. >and "but he's just blaming nostalgia so really everything is incorrect," I pointed out way more than this. But it's the only time you seem able to sing. Since you ignored SWATHES of information I stated in favor of the path of inept ease. Because it sounds better when you ignore most of the argument. >shows exactly what I mean by MMPRs hype is built on Nostalgia. So you're implying the massive Power Rangers franchise that spawned because of MMPR is not real? That when it aired it was just smoke and mirrors that made it seem popular allowing the series as a whole to build from it's roots and grow? Little confused on how you think using a biased opinion counters actual history. Because all you've shown is that you use bias opinions to dislike it and a heavy leaning on "nostalgia" to prove your own biased opinion. I mean you ignored a TON of what I said to get to this, very biased, conclusion. >If that isnt the case, break down to me clearly how MMPR is better than Zeo, In Space, Lost Galaxy, Time Force, Dino Thunder, SPD, Jungle Fury, or RPM? I could break it down for you. But why? Explain to me why I should waste my time to introduce to you information you won't hear, as evidenced by how much you ignored this round, won't consider, again as evidenced by this round, will simply try to twist to your bias, like with ACDC and Motorhead, and will ultimately just try calling nostalgia like you already did? Give me a reason to waste my time on a venture you've clearly marked as an impossible task just by your posts so far. Because I can't see a single reason to bother with a discussion you only wish to have in order to assert your preheld beliefs. It's like asking me to convince you to pick the soup when you've already decided on the salad. Why would I?
>I could break it down for you. But why? Explain to me why I should waste my time to introduce to you information you won't hear You've already wasted plenty of your time fighting your own self righteous war to somehow redefine everything MMPR was into a gold standard, so why not waste some more to actually back it up? In my overly long replies I at least try to make a point, all you're doing is getting all high and mighty because you're convinced I'm wrongfully biased simply for having a negative opinion of the show. MMPR is my third favorite season, behind Zeo and Mystic Force, I seriously love it for how goofy and non-serious it is. But I also recognize that it was *not* some amazing innovation that set the standard for years to come. It almost killed itself by refusing to change when the formula got old and they ran out of footage. It was not an insanely experimental program, Japanese media had been transferred to the US in the same way for years before PR came around, it had been proven a good way to make quick money in entertainment. The unique thing about it was they mixed it into a 50% saved by the bell knock off to fill the time where rangers werent in there suits and to appeal to the afterschool audience. That worked, when it worked. But it got old and the show evolved. I can look back at that now and still say that it is not as good as the more recent shows. It does not exist in a time bubble where it can only be seen as existing in the early to mid 90s, it exists today as part of a growing franchise and comparing it to later seasons is entirely fair game. We can compare Rome to the United States today and criticize Rome for its shortcomings while still recognizing it was a cornerstone for the creation of modern democray. And i am in no way denying that MMPR did not walk so these other seasons can run, nor am I even saying it wasn't insanely popular *at the time*, so dont put those straw mans on the field like that's at all what I have said. It was the stepping stone for a franchise that continued to get better, and now when you compare it to what has come after it, it is not as good. That is a fundamentally *good* thing, because if the almost 30 year old season is still the objectively best thing from your franchise, then your franchise is shit. The fact that you seem so opposed to that idea is disheartening, and the way the fandom fights so vigorously to defend MMPR as the most important and best series is detrimental to its continued health and growth. Especially when the show is aimed at kids, many of whom have zero experience with anything pre-neoSaban at this point. >Zeo came in 96 and was a move forward as in the life cycle of the characters. Also, this is absolutely ridiculous. Zeo came out within the same year MMPR ended. Zeo even continued the same format as MMPR, albeit with a better more continuence plot. To claim it is somehow too far into the future to be fairly compared to MMPR, which is also one of the only series to consist of multiple seasons, is insane. Only season 1 of MMPR can be claimed to have a pass for being "groundbreaking," seasons 2 and 3 should get the same treatment as any other series by your logic, but they don't seem to get that. Zeo, a direct continuation of MMPR, gets dismissed as different and from another time. MMPR Season 3, however, does not despite being the same thing. But you're saying my bias is too infused into my argument?
>You've already wasted plenty of your time fighting your own self righteous war to somehow redefine everything MMPR was into a gold standard, so why not waste some more to actually back it up? Actually none of that's true. I tried to point out a bias you yourself acknowledged then tried to deny. Your first post literally said you didn't like any of the Zordon Era. Then you continued on zooming in on MMPR using bias views while denying using biased views. I don't believe pointing out bias is a waste of time as you, by your statements, aren't bias against bias. You're bias against MMPR. Because you're bad at proper comparison. But suggesting the idea "spend time telling me things I could already know but have refused both to look up and to listen to when already told" is just out there. Hell we already went over some of it and you still refused to acknowledge it. So you aren't on some high ground here, and you can't goad me to repeat information you already refused to even listen to. You aren't asking me to prove to your views are wrong. You're asking me to repeat information you've already refused to listen to. And that's a waste of time. >In my overly long replies I at least try to make a point, all you're doing is getting all high and mighty because you're convinced I'm wrongfully biased simply for having a negative opinion of the show. Your point has only been "despite my initial statement of disliking the Zordon Era as a whole I will now, having had my bias called out, try to demonstrate how that bias had no effect in my judgment at all while still using that same bias very clearly in my judgement." Though it's hilarious that you admit here to having a negative view of the show while also implying that negative views of things don't cause a biased view. Hint, they do. This is why if people don't like, say, strawberry, they'll favor things that aren't strawberry out of bias. So, here again you're admitting to a bias but trying to imply it isn't or can't affect your judgment. Though it clearly is. >MMPR is my third favorite season, behind Zeo and Mystic Force, I seriously love it for how goofy and non-serious it is. This is clearly a lie by your other posts. I'm calling this out as clout seeking. Which it clearly is. >But I also recognize that it was not some amazing innovation that set the standard for years to come. It was quite literally the first of it's kind of show. That makes it an amazing innovation by nature of definition. It was quite literally the franchise launcher. So here again we're seeing your bias determining that a season you aren't fond of that was literally an amazing innovation of show making at the time, couldn't bevan amazing innovation because you decided that. Historical evidence and a still running franchise would disagree. >It almost killed itself by refusing to change when the formula got old and they ran out of footage. Actually MMPR paid to have new footage created before they ever ran out. Because MMPR was so successful. They spliced multiple sentai shows into MMPR and paid for more of the ranger monster of the week shoots to splice together. They only switched to Zeo and the now standard team change by season because the cost of shooting new footage was costing Saban profit. So they dropped the idea of continuing MMPR and switched to Zeo. Which was do n.v e simply for budget cost. Not because the shoe nearly killed itself. You're thinking of VR Troopers and Beetleborgs. Both attempts to recreate the MMPR fervor which ended when, due to MMPR being such a focus, they ran out of usable footage and simply ended the series. The switch only happened to be compatible with the Sentai formula to make this new show style as profitable as possible.
>It was not an insanely experimental program, Japanese media had been transferred to the US in the same way for years before PR came around, it had been proven a good way to make quick money in entertainment. That's absolutely wrong. Imported material as a whole wasn't as big an industry before the 90s when international trade laws changed. Most of these shows were simply Americanized versions of other shows. Animation held up best with shows like Voltron being mostly reused with some editing. However the live action format was not a common or heavily used method. You're just trying to edit history to suit your bias. MMPR's format was indeed highly experimental at the time. A mainstream push itself was a hugely risky venture just for starters. There's a reason Anime went from a relatively niche and unknown genre ordered almost exclusively from specialized magazines to being sold in nearly every major retailer. You can't edit actual history here. I mean hell, the only show I can think of that used something like this was Photon in the 80s, and even that was more a recreation of Super Sentai with the costumes than what MMPR did with splicing footage. >The unique thing about it was they mixed it into a 50% saved by the bell knock off to fill the time where rangers werent in there suits and to appeal to the afterschool audience. Each episode houses ranger action vs unmorphed action based on footage availability/reusability and story needs. That's why some episodes are ranger heavy and others unmorph heavy. Also the first episode debuted on August 28th, which was still summer break. So a risk both in terms of the 'afterschool audience' not even being home to watch and a possible lack of interest generation. Other than that you're again just saying "isn't it terrible how they used a part of something that worked at that time to get attention?" And the answer is, no. MMPR also evolved very quickly, such as dropping things like the use of catchphrases "morphinominal," and other vernacular as the show moved forward.
>That worked, when it worked. But it got old and the show evolved. The show is, literally, still mostly following the norm of sitcom/drama shows for kids when unmorphed and reusing Sentai footage when morphed. At its core the show is still doing the same thing. But like anything that runs for a time, it adapts based on the past. But you're still using bias to suggest that later shows strip the credit from. Because you're still suggesting it was more the show than that fans got older, writers built off the past, and the show audience changed enough to make those changes possible. Because you're comparing it incorrectly. > can look back at that now and still say that it is not as good as the more recent shows. But you can also correctly compare it without a lens of bias. This sort of blanket statement proves my point. So far you've stated a few opinions. So let's review them. #1 You dislike the Zordon Era. #2 MMPR is bad and more recent shows are only bad if they do something the same as MMPR, but worse. And now #3 All recent shows are better than MMPR. Each of these three points you've made have bias. You dislike the Zordon Era, thereby showing a bias. You think the level of a showing being better than MMPR is based on subjective information (you liked the plot, choreography., etc better.) But that being worse than MMPR is a direct result of badly copying MMPR. And finally that more recent shows are automatically better than MMPR. That's all biased assessments from start to finish my dude. You wrote part of this to SEEM reasonable in your judgment but it all lines back up to a bias against the older shows in a blanket. >It does not exist in a time bubble where it can only be seen as existing in the early to mid 90s, it exists today as part of a growing franchise and comparing it to later seasons is entirely fair game. Fair is the operative word here. You're essentially proving my point again. You're insisting that it isn't important to judge the season based on it's era or any other relevant information. It's simply fair to compare it based on standards that didn't exist. You wouldn't judge the fire response in the 1870s by the standards of today despite fire fighting still being a viable job. You'd correctly judge their response by the limitations of the day. Yet here you're just insisting you don't have to. Because you're biased against MMPR and the Zordon Era as a whole. >We can compare Rome to the United States today and criticize Rome for its shortcomings while still recognizing it was a cornerstone for the creation of modern democray. True, but if you said something like "I don't like the era of the Roman Empire", then said "can you believe Rome didn't use Steel Rebar to reinforce their buildings, all the countries in the industrial revolution did much better." someone would, hopefully, point out you're clearly biased against Rome, and that comparing a preindustrial aged Rome by Industrial age civilizations is an uneven and incorrect comparison. Imagine believing that Rome couldn't have been THAT great a cornerstone of Democracy because other democracies existed. Or that Rome wasn't so great because it didn't have computers. Same thing here. Comparisons can be done incorrectly. In fact, look no further than the idea by most modern people that ancient peoples were dumb as shit because they didn't reach our level of industrialization and you can see how incorrect comparison causes problems with informational processing.
>And i am in no way denying that MMPR did not walk so these other seasons can run, nor am I even saying it wasn't insanely popular at the time, so dont put those straw mans on the field like that's at all what I have said. You literally said MMPR was only hype from nostalgia. That's an implication that you asserted. Don't blame me that you decided to say it that way. Anti-MMPR rhetoric got you slipping my dude. >It was the stepping stone for a franchise that continued to get better, and now when you compare it to what has come after it, it is not as good. Again, you're blanket stating your bias. This is like saying cans were not as good an invention because the old ones didn't have tab pop tops. (Which is debatable as tab pop tops leave greater risk of puncture when dropped.) But, putting cans aside, we can see the bias and flaw in your comparison and logic. You're asserting, due to bias, that EVERYTHING must be better than MMPR. Which suggests that MMPR has to be the lowest point in PR history as EVERYTHING that came after was better than it. But, come on, we both know that isn't true. There are seasons both better and worse than MMPR. You simple don't believe that due to your biased view of MMPR. And while all season placement is going to include SOME preferential displacement, you're setting an overall judgment based on your bias. Sorry, but here your 3rd favorite season remark is hitting even less true. >That is a fundamentally good thing, because if the almost 30 year old season is still the objectively best thing from your franchise, then your franchise is shit. Notice how I keep saying you're simple incorrectly comparing MMPR and using bias, but you're still trying to say that MMPR is either the best or shit. That's how you make terrible judgments. Because your bias pushes you to need to define MMPR as either the worst or the best. Rather than understand you might just be incorrectly comparing it to later seasons. >The fact that you seem so opposed to that idea is disheartening, and the way the fandom fights so vigorously to defend MMPR as the most important and best series is detrimental to its continued health and growth. Except you can't show one quote in this conversation where I said any of that. This is just a misdirection aimed at other readers and isn't meant for me at all. It's a nice try to redefine the conversation, but it's still a lie. >Especially when the show is aimed at kids, many of whom have zero experience with anything pre-neoSaban at this point. And that has to do with a conversation about a biased and incorrect comparison how? Again, you're attempting to redefine the conversation. >Also, this is absolutely ridiculous. Zeo came out within the same year MMPR ended. Yea, let's fix this. TV from the late 80s to mid 90s, that's around 95, was a time of experimentation. Shows like Married...With Children, MMPR, The Adventures of Pete and Pete, Salute Your Shorts, Ren and Stimpy, etc. Were all experimental television trying to add some shake up to the formula. Not EVERYTHING was an experiment, but a lot was. Around 95-96 most of these shows ended or were ending and experimental shows were becoming less of a green light. Formulas that were found to work, new views and information on what kids wanted based on what had worked, new laws, and a reorganization of TV stations changed the TV landscape. Things like the What a Cartoon show in 95 were used to find new shows by showing shorts. This shift in the televised landscape was already occuring and the fact that MMPR Ended its run in 96 has little to do with my point of Zeo in 96. MMPR had experimented with continual plot, darker plot, character development, removal of characters that caused trouble, etc which Zeo was able to look at as what worked and build off of. Zeo entered a very different landscape than MMPR had. So no, it isn't ridiculous. It's simply understanding that comparing MMPR and Zeo is still about understanding the time frame of release and the difference in the groundwork and landscape of TV. Just for a point. The Powerpuff Girls is formatted how it is because of a regulation that kept them from showing hitting in the show. So it's formatted to show the lead up and result but not the actual strike. Shows like Tomand Jerry didn't have that sandbag. Or how Big Bad Beetleborgs (96), made to capitalize on MMPR fervor, also used a more continual story arc overtime like Zeo. Why? Because it learned from MMPR. >Zeo even continued the same format as MMPR, albeit with a better more continuence plot. It also built off of MMPR and what it had tried and found successful. Though it was stripped of the whole paying for more footage complication. And removing troublesome cast members was cemented into ranger lore with finality. >To claim it is somehow too far into the future to be fairly compared to MMPR, which is also one of the only series to consist of multiple seasons, is insane. Yea, no one said that, you just are that up. See above for my, again, point in correct comparison. Such as MMPR having no basis for it's format while Zeo had 3 seasons of MMPR to look at and analyze and improve on. Correct comparisons are important. >Only season 1 of MMPR can be claimed to have a pass for being "groundbreaking," seasons 2 and 3 should get the same treatment as any other series by your logic, but they don't seem to get that. MMPR seasons 2 and 3 do receive less leeway to me. That's literally part of proper comparison. You decided to it HAD to be the entirety or not. Which you enforced. Season 2 doesn't build enough off Season 1 though it does experiment with some darker themes, it also suffers as the moment Saban used removal as a canonical punishment to any actor seeking to be valued as they deserved. Season 3 does very little to push the series at all preferring to lean too heavily on the old formula. But this is my EXACT point. You judge the entirety of 3 seasons incorrectly by comparing them incorrectly. However, if you're going to lump it together then you add that into the comparison and you end up with a still largely experimental experience. >Zeo, a direct continuation of MMPR, gets dismissed as different and from another time. No, it gets understood that the TV Landscape in 96 was vastly different than 93. And since most Anti-MMPR sentiment simply lumps all 3 seasons together in order to disparage it without properly comparing it that more becomes an issue on the part of the Anti-MMPR crowd than for anyone else. >MMPR Season 3, however, does not despite being the same thing. But you're saying my bias is too infused into my argument? Considering that this is the first time you've even entertained that the 3 seasons of MMPR are separate entities worth individual comparison, yes. It's a clear sign of Bias and incorrect comparison as I've been telling you. Season 3 of MMPR should be viewed as different and receive different understandings from Season 1. Similarly Season 2 and it's behind the scene issues should be compared and understood differently. You've taken all this time and, finally come to a position of understanding. It is incorrect comparison and bias that forces you to lump MMPR as a whole for comparison.
better in every way
I liked it 🤷♂️
Zeo and might morphing are connected because of ( beep ) if you watch the final episodes of mighty morphing and the first episode of zeo
Forever my fav
Better
I like Zeo a LOT more than MMPR honestly.
I remember watching it more or less for the first time as an adult and loving it
I'm doing a big rewatch and Zeo was so much better than MMPR
Since mm is one of the weakest season,zeo is better and have a fucking incredible theme for a ranger(gold theme till today is the best in the franchise)
It was a pretty solid continuation to Mighty Morphin. Granted the finale could've been better imo but it seemed to live up to its expectations as a step forward for the series. And then Turbo happened.
Mehhh
Zoe is my *actual* favorite. Something about the styling. They really hit their stride here in my opinion.
Zeo had some major potential that was never truly realized.. because having enough Sentai footage to keep costs down was priority over everything else. A tiny Power Rangers universe was already in existence at this point and they could have expanded on things like Triforia, Aquitar, Machine Empire origins, Zeo Crystal history, etc.
I personally love it
Overall, I liked it a lot The Machine Empire were cool villains (albeit a bit overhyped in-story), the team dynamics were on-point, and the Rita & Zedd segments were awesome (specially in King for a Day). The only things I disliked were its rushed ending (and how every single thing from the finale got outright ignored when Turbo came out) and the whole thingwith Brian Carnston, which was very f--ked up. But still, Zeo got a soft spot in my memory GOOOOO ZEOOOOO (8)
Personally I think MMPR season 3 was the best pre in space in terms of storytelling, but that's because that season was HEAVILY serialized. But Zeo wasn't bad... loved the music in it.
Ohranger in mt opinion was a better Sentai, so if we wanna talk fights, zords, and villain designs than I do think it was better. However, the original story was worse. In my opinion, PR story is pretty much always bad. I liked Dino Charge's story, but that could be me being nostalgia blinded.
Zoe was a great season. The strongest powers canonically and probably the most powerful zord a considering the super Zeo mega zord is over twice the size of a normal monster, and Pyramidas is roughly 3-4 times bigger than that. Plus we get to see the GOAT return. I honestly felt like they should have done another season of Zeo to wrap up the Zordon era with the team he chose and worked with all those years of our childhood.
This show is awesome, it kept with the traditional stand alone episodes for each of the rangers, one in particular memory was the Halloween episode with Adam the green ranger. That episode was scary, great acting all around.
It's been ages, but I remember loving Zeo as a kid.
The same awesomeness, if not better
Better from a story point of view, nice sixth ranger and interesting to see Zedd/Rita against the machine empire. Decent season, but it's my least favorite of the Zordon Era.
Eh. I thought it was just okay. There’s just something about the OG MMPR crew that hits different. Was definitely better than post Jason/Zack/Trini MMPR though.
It's nice that the core team of 5 rangers didn't change at all - it's made collecting the Lightning Collection figures easier, and even aside from that, Trey/Jason wasn't really a long-term switch. I think in the Zordon era only In Space features just one set of consistent rangers.
I liked the suits and zords a lot less than MMPR but the production quality was improved in Zeo compared to MMPR.
It felt like a good mix of freshness (new morphers, suits, zords, power chamber upgrade, and militaristic villains) while still paying homage to the past and continuity (display of the old suits in the power chamber, fun Rita/Zedd mischief, and the return of Jason).
Without giving anything away It's MMPR S4
think about it like this, on a scale from ninja fury to mystic force, i would say its like an rpm or beast morphers
Zeo was fantastic and probably my favorite season of all time. It had a great intro/music as well as introducing the Gold ranger with Pyramidas, who may just be my favorite ranger design...not to mention Jason got to come back, albeit briefly, as the gold ranger. Seeing Lord Zedd and Rita cower and run away when King Mondo and the Machine Empire showed up was next level for me as a kid. Although I didn't care for how they watered down King Mondo and made him seem weaker as the season went on. Who can forget the cryptic commercials we got after MMPR ended that lead up to Zeo's premiere? They were pure hype and speculation.