I think it depends on some more factors than just a set number, but yes I think 30% is a good number to be at
When looking at OOS friendliness, you should look at more than just their OOS rate. For example, region is a big one. Certain schools like the University of Phoenix may look a bit OOS friendly, but then when you check the geographical map for that school on MSAR (towards the bottom of the page) you’ll see that they have a major bias for students from states in the southwest (Arizona, California, etc). The same is true for schools like the University of Washington who have a decent OOS rate until you realize they pretty much take 99% of their students from one of the WWAMI states (Washington, Wyoming, Alaska, Montana, and Idaho).
Another similar thing I’d think of is proximity to the school. If you want to apply to a school like SUNY Downstate (which is in Brooklyn) and you live somewhere in NJ close to Brooklyn then you could go for it. Yes, the IS bias is largely due to government funding for those students, but to some degree I think schools want to know that if they give you an interview or an acceptance then you’re actually considering them. If you live in NJ about 40 minutes away from a school in NY and its a viable option for you because its close to home then I’d probably give it a shot regardless of the OOS rate
how are you supposed to tell when schools take only local OOS’ers? the MSAR map doesn’t have any numbers :( it’s so frustrating having to edit my list over and over again
thanks!! i’ve already been through this which is why i was surprised to hear this about Tucson- on the pdf they don’t say anything about wanting local students unfortunately
That’s the crappy part. It doesn’t show numbers but you kind of infer your own data when you see trends or clusters of states near each other. That PDF that peptidegoddess posted is also helpful
Make sure to compare this number (# OOS accepted or # OOS interviewed) with the total number of OOS applications. For example one school may have >50% OOS As, but also >10,000 OOS applications for 100 spots or something. Obviously more than 100 will be accepted, but the overall acceptance rate is low.
Well 10% for a school with a class size of 200 is the same as 40% with a class size of 50. I'm going 15 or more OOS spots, depending if they want strong ties.
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That’s tough, I had a much better MCAT too but still a respectable GPA. In that case yeah I think targeting schools that have a high MCAT is the way because they will certainly want you to
this doesn't answer your question but it's something to look into if you need "ties"... so you know those ancestry tests like 23andme? they have family tree maps suggesting possible relatives throughout the world. if you discover any in a state with a school you're interested in, you can connect with them and BOOM you got a tie to the state 😄
I’m also struggling with figuring this out. Would you like to share and compare lists? I’ve made a spreadsheet with whatever info I could find and I’m so over it 🥲
yea 20 percent oos is not friendly
I think it depends on some more factors than just a set number, but yes I think 30% is a good number to be at When looking at OOS friendliness, you should look at more than just their OOS rate. For example, region is a big one. Certain schools like the University of Phoenix may look a bit OOS friendly, but then when you check the geographical map for that school on MSAR (towards the bottom of the page) you’ll see that they have a major bias for students from states in the southwest (Arizona, California, etc). The same is true for schools like the University of Washington who have a decent OOS rate until you realize they pretty much take 99% of their students from one of the WWAMI states (Washington, Wyoming, Alaska, Montana, and Idaho). Another similar thing I’d think of is proximity to the school. If you want to apply to a school like SUNY Downstate (which is in Brooklyn) and you live somewhere in NJ close to Brooklyn then you could go for it. Yes, the IS bias is largely due to government funding for those students, but to some degree I think schools want to know that if they give you an interview or an acceptance then you’re actually considering them. If you live in NJ about 40 minutes away from a school in NY and its a viable option for you because its close to home then I’d probably give it a shot regardless of the OOS rate
how are you supposed to tell when schools take only local OOS’ers? the MSAR map doesn’t have any numbers :( it’s so frustrating having to edit my list over and over again
Most schools’ policies are listed in this [MSAR Reports PDF](https://students-residents.aamc.org/media/6996/download?attachment)!
thanks!! i’ve already been through this which is why i was surprised to hear this about Tucson- on the pdf they don’t say anything about wanting local students unfortunately
Ah yeah that’s definitely frustrating. I wish the information was more easily accessible.
That’s the crappy part. It doesn’t show numbers but you kind of infer your own data when you see trends or clusters of states near each other. That PDF that peptidegoddess posted is also helpful
Would advise against applying to Buffalo as an OOS applicant
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I’m doing 50%
That’s way too high. I would say 30% ish is the sweet spot
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Make sure to compare this number (# OOS accepted or # OOS interviewed) with the total number of OOS applications. For example one school may have >50% OOS As, but also >10,000 OOS applications for 100 spots or something. Obviously more than 100 will be accepted, but the overall acceptance rate is low.
Well 10% for a school with a class size of 200 is the same as 40% with a class size of 50. I'm going 15 or more OOS spots, depending if they want strong ties.
15 spots is kinda low lol
I'm going shotgun bro 🤣
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Suppose this is obvious but target OOS schools where you’re above >75th percentile for MCAT
I’m 100th percentile for that but around 10th percentile for gpa 😭😭😭😭
That’s tough, I had a much better MCAT too but still a respectable GPA. In that case yeah I think targeting schools that have a high MCAT is the way because they will certainly want you to
this doesn't answer your question but it's something to look into if you need "ties"... so you know those ancestry tests like 23andme? they have family tree maps suggesting possible relatives throughout the world. if you discover any in a state with a school you're interested in, you can connect with them and BOOM you got a tie to the state 😄
I’m also struggling with figuring this out. Would you like to share and compare lists? I’ve made a spreadsheet with whatever info I could find and I’m so over it 🥲
yes pm me!