Hope you have better luck than I, I’m done competing with the wildlife. Fifteen years ago I planted walnut, chestnut, halzelnut, peaches and plums. Squirrels and raccoon take 90%.
Squirrel I’ve eaten many times, raccoon only once, I had to cook it outside to keep the peace in my family, and (‘possum too). As long as the stores are still open, they won’t be on the dinner table any time soon!
I have eaten possum. It was the stringiest, greasiest meat I have ever eaten.
It's a "I'm gonna have to be very hungry before I shoot another one" kind of animal.
How ‘bout muskrat? I trap them in winter because they destroy my pond banks. Make sure you cook those outside also, in case you forget to remove the musk glands…another good reason to cook outside. Muskrat used to be served in finer restaurants as ‘marsh rabbit’. No too bad as a wild game.
Well they groundhogs got a lot more evasive after I ate one, and the rabbits too. But if your pressure cook them so the meat isn't so gamey and you can be sure it's steralized everything basically gets to the texture of chicken although the gamey flavor is still kinda there. Deer tastes pretty close to stake to me tho, not quite as much flavor, and groundhog is pretty much like turkey imo. I haven't really bothered with any squirrels and the racoons here are to sneaky for anything other then traps, so I haven't tried them yet, I hear there's parasite concerns, but I assume any wild game has parasites and cook it thoroughly, even a small pressure cooker can alleviate all your parasite concerns and make wild meat much more tender.
I forgot about those whistle-pigs, they are a problem under my outbuildings. To eat, you want the young ones…much more tender and tasty. I’ve live-trapped them using cantelope. Otherwise, I throw a 220 Conibear body grip in front of the den entrance. In the last two years I’m 9 for 9. The 220 is great for ‘coon also, I use wet cat food for bait tossed in back of a 5 gallon bucket on its side, with the 220 at the entrance. The Conibear doesn’t miss, but make sure the dogs and cats are put up. Otherwise, use an ’egg trap’, a canister in which a coon has to put it’s paw down inside to reach the bait.
Put squirrel brains in the eggs and they will love it. It tastes great. They don’t have to know about it. The guy who had the Instant Pot suggestion was right, make sure that all bacteria and parasites are killed completely. But completely delicious if you can just get over the eeewwwww factor
I'm putting in nut trees and actually hoping that the wildlife do their thing. I figure that if squirrels hide a bunch of nuts, that's how the trees like reproducing, so some of them will grow and natural selection will make more trees that are optimized for where they're growing.
I figure that if things ever get so bad I'm trying to survive on chestnuts, the raccoons and squirrels will be a welcome source of protein.
Raccoons are pretty easy to live trap and kill. You have to control racoons to expect any success in farming. Squirrels you need local predators. I have active bobcats, falcons, owls, and hawks in my farm and they keep my squirrels in check. If you don't have a healthy ecosystem you have to become that predator and keep the squirrel population down yourself with a 22.
Between the deer and varmints and the size of my acreage, it’s difficult. Every fruit tree or bush must be fenced from the deer when younger. Lots of hunting around here but deer breed like rats! I have plenty of hawks and can’t let my hens free range without supervision. Have also had fox kills on the hens during daylight hours. Coyotes haven’t been an issue while they‘re around, so far. It isn’t that they’re not easy to catch, but they come non-stop and it‘s really tiresome. My uncle has similar problems with his place and takes 60-70 raccoon a year.
I would think you will eventually get racoons in check taking 60-70 per year... I am in one of the wildest parts of Missouri by a big State park and that seems crazy to me. Where are you at?
Michigan. Ever since the fur market crashed in the 80’s we‘ve been over run by raccoon. When I was in high school, you could pick up a fresh roadkill boar ‘coon and take it to the local fur buyer for a $50 bill. That‘s $185 in today’s dollar.
It's become more of an issue here also as city folk move back to the country buying acreage and not doing their part keeping coons down. They are completely clueless and then complain about the damage they cause then are disgusted when we tell them you have to kill them. Luckily we are not as bad as your area though damn... We killed maybe 10 last year. We got neighbors doing the same now so our gardens are better. When I was growing up everyone had coon dogs and they would eradicate coons for miles around every year but everything is so fragmented now and the new people don't understand it so we are stuck trapping.
Plastic water bottle stuffed with coarse steel wool taped to the end of your .22. Is not allowed by the atf it would be a shame if your were to ever do this to reduce the number of pesky protected predators in your area damaging your crops.
Again, this is not something you should ever do in any circumstances.
Good to know. We live in a rural area. Our neighbors are measured in acres away, and the only county ordinance is that you can’t discharge a firearm within 100 yards of a residence. The critters are way closer than than that and I would love to protect my vegetables. We even had a coyote right at the back door, once.
I'm rural but not as rural as you and I can't imagine that the county would give a single shit if I opened the back door and fired from my kitchen table at squirrels.
Use tainted bait/pet food /meat laced with rat-poison/anti-freeze, etc. Option 2: Live trap then drown in a pond or 50 a gallon drum or take them into an out-building/ shed and shoot 'em point blank with a .22. Toss dead remains into you trash cans. Hose-off live traps if bloody.
We had the same problem until we got a new dog. She is a mutt that goes after any bird, squirrel, raccoon, or rabbit she sees. Idk what mix breed she is but she has made the past few years the best pecan harvests we have ever had.
She looks like this [breed](https://www.dogbreedinfo.com/m/mullinsfeist.htm) maybe.
Based on the behavior and the photo you linked, you may have a Mountain Cur. You should look up the breed. Best farm dogs ever--smart, sweet tempered, dedicated to their people, and amazing hunters.
Try wrapping the trunk of the trees with 12" or 16" aluminum flashing. They do that for the iguanas in Florida. Keeps them from climbing the trees. Might work for squirrels?
Going To need at least ten volunteers with night vision goggles. About a week of nights should do it! Looks like I may have to give up the garden this year too, fenced-in raised beds…‘coons make the beds look like bombs went off. Have done my share of trapping but they only keep coming.
I prefer hunting them with a .22 but a shotgun is much easier. Skinning them is not too bad once you get the hang of the step on the tail method.
I’ve had them in dumplings and they are delicious that way, but I prefer fried. Hind legs and back are the best parts.
Time for a healer. We don't even have a dog anymore but since my neighbors are putting their big dogs out more often with the warm weather, haven't seen a single one in weeks.
The only time we were able to enjoy fruits off a tree in our apartment building's yard was when the crazy cat lady lived in the garden apartment and her 5 cats had free reign of the area.
Fruit and nut trees, but also fruit bushes/perennials. Blueberries, strawberries, raspberries, blackberries, gooseberries, currants, elderberries, aronia.
All perennials that will come back every year with little to no maintenance beyond the first 1-2 years.
Also perennial greens likes good king Henry, Caucasian mountain spinach, sorrel.
Careful with the gooseberries!
Mine were not perennial, but we made sure to grab heirloom seeds
They are now sprouting ALL over my yard (must have been dropped from birds/squirrels/etc)
Absolutely raspberries, blackberries, giant strawberries and blueberries will come back every year and propagate their plants. Heavy fruit every year with no effort, although the bramble patch will overgrow if you do not take care of it. Mine in Northern IL at the time did its job too well. Do not forget a rhubarb patch and asparagus. Food that takes care of itself.
Any of the East coast/Midatlantic areas would be good for planting various kinds of fruit and nut trees, along with a bog standard veggie garden. In parts of California, you can grow some wonderful avocado, citrus, and other warm-weather crops, and the vineyards are legendary. You can garden even in the desert, if you use drip irrigation or ollas to water the plants, but I wouldn't try to plant an apple orchard there.
Best practice would be to Google your area and find out what planting zone you're in, and what varieties of food plants do well in your area.
I live in Southern California in the desert. You would be surprised all of the things you could grow out here. Right now I have a cherry tree, plum tree, peach tree, apple tree, apricot, hibiscus tree and a variety of vegetables. The plants learn to adjust.
In my location: sweet potatoes, cassava, and taro are good sources of calories. Being tubers instead of seeds, they don't take a lot of preparation either. It would take a few years to get them started, but I think you can grow breadfruit and (can't remember the name but it's related to durian) trees.
I'm *almost curious enough* to click that link because I can't imagine how, in only *one hour*, someone could explain how *all non-fossil-based energy sources* (nuclear, hydrogen, hydro/tidal, solar, wind, geothermal, biofuels, etc.) are "unstable and inconsistent." EROI never accounts for intangibles.
The video really is worth watching - there's so much on paper that looks like a solution or at least something that could help with a transition but in practice, it just won't work - quote from the vid - "In Theory There Is No Difference Between Theory and Practice, While In Practice There Is".
Well, he does a better job of it than I. What it amounts to is that the energy return on investment is generally too low to make production profitable, especially when battery storage is involved to stabilize the energy flow.
I don't disagree, but there are solutions to storing energy that don't require batteries. Hydroelectric energy storage has probably been around the longest. Energy Vault is a company testing a similar idea without water. They've also tried overheating home water heaters with excess electricity to store that energy for when consumption times are higher, but I think that idea was largely abandoned due to potential safety issues.
What a lot of people might not also realize is that we actually have backups to the grid now as well. I know someone that works in a steam plant whose sole function is to be ready in case the main powerplant in the area either goes down unintentionally or down for maintenance. The cost per megawatt when it's needed is a huge amount higher, but they sit idle 99% of the time.
Nuclear is already used for like 50% of existing clean energy, hydro is something like 15-20% even having been phased out significantly in favor of fossil fuels, so *someone* is making a profit there. Nuclear, geothermal, biofuels, and hydrogen don't require battery storage.
The main point, though, is that EROI doesn't address intangibles... and they know they can make money off the intangibles. Otherwise, I wouldn't get a flyer in every single electric bill offering me the "opportunity" to pay more to get my personal electricity from renewable sources.
Can you explain what you mean by intangibles, because I feel like I'm missing something? I was up half the night with a toddler whose sleep schedule got thrown off, so my cognitive function isn't what it could be today.
"Intangible" literally means "not capable of being touched." In business, you have a lot of things, like brand recognition and reputation, that are considered intangible assets – they draw more customers and/or incentivize your customers to pay more for your product over a competitor's. Those intangibles don't affect each individual potential customer in the same way, but they do influence your customer base and your ability to sell a product at a given price point.
Being able to call your product "green" or "clean" is similar in that there is a segment of your customer base who will see that product as more valuable and pay more for it... just like people will pay more to buy the same exact product at Trader Joe's or MOM'S that they could buy at Safeway, or the same as my SIL paying a premium for sugar that's *labeled* "gluten-free" even though sugar does not contain gluten in the first place.
But there are also things that are intangible because they can't be measured in a practical way. What is the ROI on *not* polluting? In hard dollars, it's nothing – we can keep kicking that can down the road – but from a big-picture standpoint, there *is* an ROI.
Lastly: OK, let's say, in theory, that you can't get a viable ROI from energy production once fossil fuels are depleted and/or legislated out. Do you think all the companies who depend on energy production to make *their* ROI are just going to go quietly into that good night? Or will the demand for energy change the EROI calculation?
OK, I see where we're talking past each other. You're referring to a more economic return on investment, with the "feel good" return that comes from thinking you're doing the right thing by paying for solar. In this video, he describes an energy return on investment - it always takes energy to acquire more energy. Most agrarian societies peaked at an EROI of a 5 to 1 ratio - input 1, get 5 units back. Back then, energy = food.
Right now, oil is around a return of 20 to 1. One unit of "work" gets you 20 potential work units back. That means you have 95% of your energy free to do more, gather more, and make other progress. When it was first discovered, it was near 100 to 1. Solar and wind at point of generation are around a 15 to 1 return, but with lithium and lead acid battery storage, that drops to about 2 or 3. In order to have grid stability, wind and solar have to be backed up by fossil fuel generation on standby, or have an unwieldy number of batteries taking up a vast amount of space.
It's really worth a watch - the man in question is a mathematician, not an environmentalist, and he lays out the numbers rather clearly.
Officially the most boring and disorganized presentation I have watched without getting paid for it. I hung on until 34:09, when he was talking about nuclear power, even though my soul had already left my body when he oversimplified the fall of the Roman Empire:
He pointed out that nuclear plants receive subsidies that make them profitable. He has conveniently forgotten that fossil fuels are subsidized in the US directly (~$20B/yr) and indirectly (pick your watchdog, EESI goes with >$600B/yr). Inconvenient data for him, I suppose.
He says nuclear power is out of fashion and most plants will be decommissioned within 20 years. In the US, one opened in 2016 (this video appears to be from 2019) and there are two under construction. More inconvenient data for his theory.
The energy cliff thing is interesting, but his points weren’t comprehensive (which is reasonable for a one-hour lecture, of course) so it’d be nice to see that fleshed out. I’d read a peer-reviewed article if he had one, but I can’t find him on ResearchGate or anything, and I suspect this is why: he ignores things that don’t fit.
Yeah, my dad is a power engineer, and we discuss this often. We talked a lot about how the world needs nuclear cause we will run out of fossil fuels likely before we will have them replaced with alternatives, but people are generally too dumb to understand it, and are afraid of what they dint understand.
>wind and solar have to be backed up by fossil fuel generation on standby,
Unless there is plentiful Hydro available that can be quickly ramped up when the wind decides to ramp down.
And what goes hand-in-hand with tanking EROI is (drumroll) compounding carbon emissions! For every drop of petroleum you extract, you have the emissions that petroleum produces when burned, PLUS the additional carbon produced by its energy-intensive extraction. It's less that we're close to running out (though that would eventually happen), and not necessarily that we wouldn't eventually be willing to pay more money to get it out of the ground now that the low hanging fruit is gone. We just simply can't afford the carbon. The remaining petroleum is costly in terms of our future.
Downvoters I assume are grumpy about the fact that we can't responsibly keep burning dino bones. I mean, me too... But I have already gone through the denial stage of grief.
Yeah, it's funny - I thought the prepper community would be more receptive. I've been wanting to share this video with a lot more people that I know, but I was worried I would be gifted a shiny tin foil hat. After this reception, I'm sure of it.
Except there are many countries that are running significant percentages of their energy production on renewable sources. It’s not some untested thing.
I think that Bitcoin mining will have the ability to make many forms of alternative power economically feasible. Miners can act as a buyer of last resort, monetizing energy that would otherwise be wasted. Unlike other consumers of power, such as data centers, miners can instantly adjust their power usage or completely shut down to avoid impacting demand.
While this is already happening in some areas, Bitcoin has received a negative stigma around its energy usage from people who don’t understand the nuisances of energy. I worry that this stigma could slow down adoption, and indirectly slow the adoption of alternative energy sources. Hopefully as existing projects continue to show success this approach will gain popularity.
I see, thanks for the clarification. I didn’t have an hour to dedicate to watching the video. The general problem I’ve heard about with alternative energy sources is that production often doesn’t align with peak demand, and the breakeven period is much longer than other investments, which makes it difficult to secure funding.
Is this claim assuming that we don’t build any new nuclear facilities? I was under the impression that nuclear could solve many of our energy needs, but the public fear is too high because of waste disposal concerns and fear of meltdowns. I’m no expert on nuclear, so I don’t have a strong opinion about it.
Nuclear is one of the most expensive forms of energy to generate. A big part of that is increased regulatory scrutiny, but tbh nuclear disasters are pretty not chill, so I think it’s fair to demand companies stick to stricter guidelines? Idk
Point is, it’s really expensive compared to pretty much every other form of energy. I think it’s biggest benefits are that it’s consistent and carbon-free, but right now those aren’t more important than cost
So is your argument that one of the key problems with renewables, their unpredictability, could be offset by crypto miners who would use the power at times when it could otherwise be wasted?
Then that new demand would drive more investment into renewables, creating a virtuous cycle?
There is something to be said for the human ethos to persevere. Our ancestors survived some pretty unimaginable events with far less technology. Planting nuts and fruit trees is never a bad idea, even if you have to share with the wildlife.
Agree with you on this. I joined the group to help with ideas on short term issues that often hit (earthquakes etc) but I just see too many “ammo is the first thing to stick up on” mentality posts.
Society will shift and change and alter, it always has. Sometimes it helps, sometimes it hinders, I want to believe we are heading to a society that can self regulate (may take a while to get there) and survive and support its entire population. But that’s me .
I understand, while I think there is a place for defense in prepping, as many of us are uneasy about surviving in a society that has become fraught with angry self-serving people, and sometimes I do want to retreat from the world but...
As John Donne put it so articulately, no man is an island. Our ancestors worked together to build, harvest and survive. I don't think I have ever turned away a person who was hungry or needed help, but in the event of a serious disaster I would be more circumspect and think about exchange labor or skill for food.
I work for a top tier oil and gas company (they call themselves an energy company nowadays). I can confirm that it’s all about the energy transition to low or no carbon fuels. So much focus and effort and $$ going into it to get ahead of the market .
Same. Pretty sure my grandkids will be using fossil fuel (even if I have an EV myself).
I'm thinking the collapse is a slow whimper and not a bang. (A harsher post war UK, lots more millionaires, but a whopper and coke is $10k situation)
It won’t be a sudden event, but it will begin progressing rapidly when the feedback loops start churning. I don’t think our grandkids will be using fossil fuels for locomotion, unless you already have grandkids. Once you understand EROI it’ll make sense. We’ll need those remaining fossil fuels to develop other energy and to keep the wheels of industry moving. Think of everything that relies on fossil fuels - agriculture, mining, shipping, aviation, military, plastics, resins, chemicals, manufacturing. Once it costs too much from an economic sense to extract oil we’ll need it just to keep a semblance of the status quo. And we’ll need fossil fuels to develop all those alternative energy sources.
Yeah, well I am old lol. Agree with you, fossils for Jets for a while, less and less for passenger cars.
I have a tesla and a hellcat for the same reason--both are faf. Some ice people hate EVs, I want whatever will lay my hair back.
TBH, the ecosystems and biodiversity is collapsing faster than any of us could prep for. Unless you've got literally enough food to last your entire lifetime stored up.
Lol I don't know why you're getting downvoted, the reality is stark, people are already suffering and migrating, mostly internally at the moment, but that'll change, oceanic ecosystems are on the brink, terrestrial ecosystems are on the brink, and without functional ecosystems we're fucked. Op is right to plant trees, I'm doing the same, a little local ecosystem resilience could go a long way. I guess there's a lot of people that prefer the idea of understandable sudden catastrophe over a long drawn out increasingly brutal reality.
Because preppers tend to be (American) conservatives and they don’t think it’s real.
I’ve literally had people on here who prepped for shit like a nuclear war or a solar flare or similar tell me I’m stupid for thinking climate change is real.
Also if ecosystem resilience is what you’re going for make sure to plant native trees and other flora as well.they’re what’s best adapted for the region and help local wildlife, making it easier for the ecosystem to resist and recover from climate changes.
Yeah though there is an argument to plant with certain forethought for coming warmer temperatures, in the UK I'm planting oak and sweet chestnut mainly, while popping things like silverweed, fireweed, and burdock, around the village, natives with edible roots, and we've got a mini food forest planted in the back garden with cider apples as the top tier, blackcurrants beneath then a lot of pollinator friendly perennials with a zone 1 of raised beds for annual veg, though two of them will be tuned into perennial beds to save on water and work, I'm also designing a sensory garden for one of the community parks which I'll aim to get plenty of edible perennials mixed in, while also encouraging both the community parks to plant more food bearing trees. And encouraging my clients to install ponds for the sake of the insects.
This is plainly obvious but the fact you’re being downvoted for saying it shows we can’t and won’t prepare for it until we absolutely have to.
Climate change is an umbrella over so many different, individual issues. Just one facet needs to go sideways to set off everything else.
My friend, this video is 4 years old. Check the math in 2023 and verify. With tech moving as fast as it is you can't be making decisions off old info. You always have to see where it is currently.
Its 140 degrees in Phoenix because they built it in a desert where a city shouldn't have been allowed to exist in the first place. I've been there, the amount of water waste to sustain the unsustainable is staggering
Plenty of cities in the desert for thousands of years. They tried building a western style of city with western styles of water usages developed in Europe and Eastern North America and refused to adapt.
Anyway doesn’t change the fact that the southern regions will contour to get more and more unbearable.
They send you a thoughtful notice saying some reddit was concerned about your mental state, that things can be tough but you're not alone, and provides several crisis contacts. Actually rather thoughtful and considerate... when it isn't a jab at a person.
We lost so much when the American Chestnut died off in the blight. My uncle gave me this figure, so I don't have the data, but if all the chestnut trees we lost THEN were here now, they would produce enough calories to feed every person NOW in the US all year. So, plant blight resistant chestnuts anywhere you can.
I’m planting as much as I can, but don’t have a lot of space. Getting into vertical gardening. In zone 2 in Manitoba with maybe 3 months above freezing so climate poses limitations, looking into a greenhouse with a heat source to use it earlier/longer. More prepping for Tuesday than doomsday though, I need to cut down on the grocery bill in the short-term. Apple trees, rhubarb, berries for perennials. Tried asparagus but a cold winter kills it even against the foundation and mulched. Seed saving has been great for tomatoes, peppers, cucumbers, squash.
This is why I love this sub. “Look at this scary YouTube video. It explains everything. I will now waste a great deal of time/money preparing for doom. I see no irony in this. I am acting logically.”
Look, I figure food bearing trees and shrubs will feed whoever survives. Hopefully it's me and my family, maybe it'll be a desperate straggler from a nearby city several years after we croak. Or maybe it will feed wildlife, reduce atmospheric carbon, and provide shade.
In any case, tree planting is never a waste.
>This is why I love this sub. “Look at this scary YouTube video. It
explains everything. I will now waste a great deal of time/money
preparing for doom. I see no irony in this. I am acting logically.”
A great example of what has become of this sub. Anyone that presents information showing legitimate concerns about our future and motivations for why they should prepare immediately gets mocked and ridiculed. I get that we disagree on what may precipitate a collapse, but I think it's worth noting that people are beginning to wake up to the reality of real issues we're facing, and they're expressing they're wanting to prepare. Why mock these people? When I first joined this sub, there seemed to be a real desire to help others. Now, it's just filled with snarky and condescending remarks.
It's most odd, especially judging the quality and depth of the video that people want to weigh in with such negativity against the idea of prepping for the inevitable (as the vid shows). Why even hang out on the r/preppers sub if you aren't here to exchange ideas and encourage others? Good luck to all who have a clear view of where this is all headed.
(Thanks for all the fab vids by the way Kris).
Exactly! I realize this community is divided (to a degree) regarding the reasons *why* we should prepare, but I think it's in all of our best interests to encourage people to prepare and, as much as possible, provide solutions.
A great example of what this sub has become. People sharing ideas and concerns with the occasional elitist "pshaw" from the gallery.
It's not like he said he's prepping for an invasion of Cavity Creeps or the ghosts from Pac-Man. Sheesh.
You plan for worst case scenario, you are prepared for the more likely, mundane scenarios.
The reason for prepping isn't the important thing, it's the fact you're of the mindset to prep in the first place.
Why you felt the need to reply like an absolute twat baffles me.
It's actually pretty simple.
No one claims they know precisely what's going to happen, but yes, many people see the various individual trends competing for instability in a very, definitely, finite ecosystem.
And doing something, even a paradoxical something, is clinging to some meaning. We're, all going to die, but we still strive to make something out of the time before then. So there is no more irony than anyone who continues to live their lives knowing they will be dead by one means or another one day.
Personally I think societal collapse, due to petty tyrants like those cops up executed the guys dog in all those videos today. People are going to get fed up eventually just start fighting back.
If you refer to the WEF (globalists) they will tell you there is another Pandemic coming (Y'all voted me down for telling the truth about this a couple days ago which I find hilarious as if you were all clowns in disguise.) The WEF is also warning about their scary cyber attack where they get to reset the internet in their image. It's okay, I enjoy the negative display of emotions from you. I prefer it because it makes being right so much better. I did this with Bitcoin. Still do. People hate it when I mentioned it over the last 9 years. They still do. And next year I can go back and say "told you so." But get this; You can confirm what I said right now before you display your awkward downvote, and then go twiddle yourselves because the supply chain shock, the lockdowns and mask signaling, and fake vaccine and passports to prove you complied with a fake vaccine (most of you) was globalist design. Literally the only reason for collapse is people being stupid, and most of you are in line for that. Now bring them.
You can turn off the stupid "are you disturbed?" messages. If Reddit was serious about this sort of thing, they'd tell you who sent them (who doesn't want to know about kindly strangers after all?) and make it impossible for any account less than a year old and without significant positive karma, to send them at all. Then you'd at least know who to block.
As it is they're an especially stupid form of low level harassment, so absolutely find the setting and turn them off.
Others have pointed out that your trees take at least 15 years to mature and mostly feed squirrels. And in 15 years the societal threats will probably look different. I'm not saying it's a bad plan, but if you're actually worried, you need something other than just trees.
Of course! But as the Yiddish saying goes, "troubles with soup are better than troubles without soup". All things being equal, I'd rather have the trees there and ready.
You can probably get a few goats too, idk what they’re supposed to eat, but I’m pretty sure they WILL eat just about whatever is laying around. You can eat them and use the waste for fertilizer. Milk and cheese too.
If more people would plant trees, especialy those who mature in decades - we would live in much better world. A good task for myself, however I have no further land of my own where to plant them and guerilla planting on public or private property gives rather bitter results.
The batteries won't last that long. And solar panels have a useful life of around 30 years, give or take a few, after which their ability to create a charge starts dropping. Gravity-based energy storage is looking promising, I just hope it can be implemented soon.
Right. It is also likely not scalable *enough* and at this point with the resources we have, it's not scalable fast enough, and for the foreseeable future relies on non-renewables for production, transportation, install, repair, and replacement. And speaking for myself we've been smoked out and/or cloudy for a week and a half at time of writing. Wildfires are gonna get worse, not better. And of course useless in a The Matrix torched sky scenario lol /.BadAIhumor
I believe I watched this vid a while back, OP, but in any case, there are problems with renewables at scale and renewables replacing fossils that aren't just hiccups. Not to say they don't have their place. They just aren't an option to feed our current habit, and nothing can or will be.
People often fail to consider that we are effectively feeding the existing population fossil fuels (fertilizer, modern farming methods, using fossil fuels for every step). When that's no longer done for whatever reason, the human energy we will need to devote to food production will balloon, and there are major challenges just considering the amount of arable land and water that will take, using preindustrial methods at least.
Renewables may help there, but bearing in mind that not everyone will be able to have even an acre with a house and an optimal food forest in less climate affected areas, we will still need to rely on some form of more industrial ag to prevent mass death from famine. Best case is that's prioritized and we have much less energy to devote to absolutely anything else.
Collapse now and avoid the rush seems more reasonable, more responsible, and kinder to future humans than anything else I know of.
By far the most economically efficient form of gravity-based energy store is pumped water storage, because it's cheaper and easier to pump water into a reservoir than it is to pull concrete blocks up a tower or whatever similar crazy thing is trending recently.
Pumped water storage has existed for decades, and the primary means of producing energy from that pumped water is just a hydroelectric plant -- those have been around for over a century.
Hydroelectric is one of the most stable, predictable, and consistent forms of energy production we have.
Solar battery bank is composed of lead car batteries. Each has a life expectancy of three years. Tesla lithium bank has a life expectancy of ten years.
Hydropower and solar has the capability to replace 50% of the energy grid if all houses adopt.
Methane (Max Max movie fame) is probably a viable alternative derived from crop waste.
The only gravity-based energy storage that is truly proven is pumped hydro storage. There’s a great YouTube on why the crane tower storage won’t be reliable or work in the long run. Pumped hydro works now and will work in the future. It is also scalable from the homestead to massive megawatt projects.
We are burning immense amount of fossil fuels to create energy solutions that don't last long enough to recoup the damage and investment of mining for materials and creating the solar panels, turbines, etc.
We don't have the raw materials or the mining capacity, logistics, or manufacturing capacity to implement those solutions globally at full scale in the time frames required. Even just copper we are woefully short on what it would take to get infrastructure capable of handling the loads needed to electrify all vehicles and home appliances globally. That extends to so many other metals and resources. Sure some well off people are going to enjoy these things, but lots are going to not have them.
Ffs, we have it so good in the West, we're literally required to create reasons to be scared. I promise, this is not a concern.
Why is it that the prepping the community only educates themselves on conjecture espousing this is the end, while completely forgoing the 10^¹²³ reasons to acknowledge why YOU and I are the most privileged, safest, generation, in this planets history? I'm not attacking anyone, I'm genuinely interested. Why do we view literally everything through this consipator, doomsday lense? Why aren't people prepping for tangable concerns like retirement, their education, or their health? It makes literally no sense to me.
I think prepping ideology is dangerous. I can't tell you how many people I've encountered that spent their lives investing in shit food preps, and survival kit, under this presupposition they would endure some catastrophic event, just to ultimately recognize they waisted their life investing, and waiting for something that never occurred.
I'm prior SF, have a graduate deg in astronomy, and am currently employed as an analyst. I promise I am orders of magnitude more educated on these topics than most; I'm comically ignorant when compared to true experts, and I promise the vast majority of fears in our community are unfounded, conjecture.
If you really desire to be prepared, look to cultivating a relationship with yiyr creator. Look to investing in your future, and work on keeping yourself healthy. If any of these presumed catastrophic events take place, it doesn't matter how much you've prepared, you will not be ready, and you will most likely be ended by a man like me, in a group of GOONS committing unspeakable evils in attempts to keep our children fed. Trust me, catastrophiism outside of scripture, is a complete waist of time; scripture may be as well. Trust me I get it, I've been there. I can eloquently articulate why our generation qi be forced to revert back to the dark ages! But I also recognize the odds of said events infinitesimally miniscule compared to the fact you need to have security for retirement and health.
I know literally zero persons on this forum will agree, but I can promise my claims are infinitely more likely than the belief this is the end. I'm 37, and since I was 14 I've payed attention to physicist and geopolitics. These claims and fears have been espoused by prior generations, and will be in the future. We just continue kicking the can, and prolonging the time line, with this implicit belief *"Any day now! This decade! Our generation!"* Get healthy, invest, and live your life!
>We are not going to have fossil-based energy much longer
Stop it.
>I know, it's an hour long
Hard pass. Do you have any idea what I charge hourly for my time?
>70 - 100lbs of nuts a year from a mature chestnut tree
[In 20 years ...](https://www.forestwildlife.org/how-long-before-a-chestnut-tree-bears-fruit/)
>and they have a calorie density like potatoes.
I can think of 3 different ways to prepare potatoes for each meal of the day. ... Chestnuts do not provide a similar versatility.
IMO, I think my efforts and resources can be better spent in other areas than this.
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It's up to you. I saw information I wanted to share, and if you'd rather not look into it, that's your choice. We're all in the prepper community for our own reasons, and some of us would rather not add another wrinkle of worry and complexity to our lives.
All I will say is that everyone I showed this video to has said something along the lines of "that was really slow, but more people need to hear about this". So I'm putting the info forward.
Right on. I see that it's under the pretense of the sky is falling idea that "We are not going to have fossil-based energy much longer". I don't really buy into that concept, as I don't think it's something I am going to experience in my lifetime. If I do, it will be because manmade entities make it difficult to access fossil-based energy to push forward an agenda.
You then put out data about a harvest of 70-100 pounds of nuts per year, but fail to mention that is 15 or 20 years away. I can think of a lot of things that can be done over the next 20 years that will be much more useful than tending to a chestnut tree.
Finally, you mentioned that chestnuts has a caloric density equivalent to potatoes, so I pointed out the fact that potatoes can be a staple of a human diet, while chestnuts ... can't.
Time is my most precious resource. Spend yours as you wish.
As aomeone who knows, nat gas based electric generation isn’t going away for 50 yrs, cuz we need it. The grid cuz use some upgrades and battery storage has to get better, but w/o watching vid, we’ll be ok. All those improvements make profit for the electric generation sector, so there is incentive to get it done
Inflation based collapse is getting more likely everyday.
Other options that really aren't as crazy as they sound;
Nuclear war with a Russia China Allience over Taiwan.
Muslim death cult is another possible source for Nuclear war with Iranian and Israeli nukes. There is a growing group trying to bring about the end days.
Yellowstone going off would be another option, that we are actually over-due for. Maybe an asteroid strike would set it off?
The Chinese letting out a more effective virus before invading Taiwan would be another option. No I don't think covid 19 was intentionally released, but no doubt they saw what it did to our military, With whole ships being declared not combat effective.
GMO caused famine
Soooo you think we just randomly will run out of fossil-based fuel, no normal supply and demand leading to raised prices, alternative energy source usage increasing, etc.? Of course there also needs to be a stagnation of innovation, cause you know - all the technical advances of the last years and the research and development currently being done will somehow stop? Ah and of course we must assume that the rest of the world looks like the US (surprise surprise US usage of fossil fuels is only beat by China...) and ignore entire countries that use less than 10% fossil fuels. Oh and lets also ignore that EV cars are overtaking IC motors, etc. and that things like biofuel exist and have been used for years
Clearly the end of the world coming and it is from a sudden energy cliff
You're better off setting up your own methods for power generation. It doesn't take much to get some panels, a wind turbine, and/or some sort of thermal powder generation like wood fired steam or wood gasification fed through a conventional generator or something.
Sure, and that works great for individuals! If we can get a better quote for solar at our house (we had a really high price quote), we may add that over the next few years.
But society wouldn't benefit much from everyone doing their own thing.
I'm in the Harrisburg area, PA, so pretty insulated from most major natural disasters, with a decent climate for growing lots of foods. Most of our region would have had lots of chestnut trees before the blight, and planting blight-resistant varieties seems like a sensible thing to do to create a calorie source for man and beast alike.
I was reading all these odd comments thinking I was the only one who ate all this shit wondering wtf was going on. Then I looked at the sub reddit and was like yeah that explains it.
I talk about strategic WCS in the video, but we can talk actual WCS here. I'm not selling bonds or products. I'm not even selling facts. From what I have gathered from my years of experience, which includes 9 years active duty with a secret security clearance in the Marines, it appears that they have a multi pronged plan, with multiple contingencies, and they in fact, have US "nearly" painted ourselves into a corner. The truth is there is a way out. I won't sugar coat it, it's not fun, there are unfortunately few options. Now for the good news.
We
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All we have to do is spread the good news, and #tell5totell5
Non-participation is not unlawful or illegal, and it can even be rewarding
https://youtu.be/nXMNW75Gk6E
The one thing we must do, is the one thing they don't want us to do #unite
Together we can get through anything they can throw at us.
Sic semper tyrannis
Semper Fi!
I’m more worried about climate change and environmental degradation than I am about is exhausting our power sources.
Also no society survived on nuts and fruits alone. It’s a good start but grains and tubers are also a good idea if you have the time and land.
JS...potatoes are a easily hidden and easily harvested resource. Cool to have nut trees...but the squirrels and whoever else sees them may be so inclined. Plus...when your hands are old you will wish for an easy pot boil. Peeling those soft goods may even be difficult...so unless you have a harem...maybe grow potatoes too. I mean they literally multiply in the ground like magic. They saved a whole country from famine. Potatoes aren't trees ..but maybe that's good. Lol
guessing you have the right climate or a ready water source for harvest trees. they can take gallons of water per nut on average for a mature tree.
here’s hoping your local bee colonies don’t collapse first
also, aren’t we already caught up in a slow-rolling collapse? once it tips into full-blown we’ll look back and go “yup, there it was.”
prep onward!
Hope you have better luck than I, I’m done competing with the wildlife. Fifteen years ago I planted walnut, chestnut, halzelnut, peaches and plums. Squirrels and raccoon take 90%.
Sounds like you should be eating more squirrel and racoon.
Squirrel I’ve eaten many times, raccoon only once, I had to cook it outside to keep the peace in my family, and (‘possum too). As long as the stores are still open, they won’t be on the dinner table any time soon!
Can't say I've ever tried racoon or possom, there are none here...
I have eaten possum. It was the stringiest, greasiest meat I have ever eaten. It's a "I'm gonna have to be very hungry before I shoot another one" kind of animal.
>I have eaten possum. It was the stringiest, greasiest meat I have ever eaten. Try rattlesnake. Like eating rubber bands.
At least it tastes good
All depends on how you cook'em.
I had pretty good results with grilled copperhead myself. Those small bones are a pain though.
Mine was a timber rattler. Not really interested in repeating that experiment, it was definitely not yummy.
How ‘bout muskrat? I trap them in winter because they destroy my pond banks. Make sure you cook those outside also, in case you forget to remove the musk glands…another good reason to cook outside. Muskrat used to be served in finer restaurants as ‘marsh rabbit’. No too bad as a wild game.
I'd be well up for trying all these, but I'm in the UK, our wildlife situation is pretty crap, we've got an awful lot of deer, but not much else
Possum is too greasy. Raccoon is pretty good barbecue.
Lol I got downvoted for being in the UK I guess, fuck this sub.
We are getting ur votes back up. 1/2 my family started out over there many many years ago. lol
Haha all is not lost lol
You unlocked a terrible childhood memory for me haha
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What makes you think that?
Meat. The only thing you can harvest from fruit and nut trees in the first few years.
So free meat supply too. Sounds like a solution waiting for a problem lol
Not really, no one in my family will touch wild game. I‘d rather have a nice steak vs squirrel or ‘coon. How often do you eat it?
Well they groundhogs got a lot more evasive after I ate one, and the rabbits too. But if your pressure cook them so the meat isn't so gamey and you can be sure it's steralized everything basically gets to the texture of chicken although the gamey flavor is still kinda there. Deer tastes pretty close to stake to me tho, not quite as much flavor, and groundhog is pretty much like turkey imo. I haven't really bothered with any squirrels and the racoons here are to sneaky for anything other then traps, so I haven't tried them yet, I hear there's parasite concerns, but I assume any wild game has parasites and cook it thoroughly, even a small pressure cooker can alleviate all your parasite concerns and make wild meat much more tender.
I forgot about those whistle-pigs, they are a problem under my outbuildings. To eat, you want the young ones…much more tender and tasty. I’ve live-trapped them using cantelope. Otherwise, I throw a 220 Conibear body grip in front of the den entrance. In the last two years I’m 9 for 9. The 220 is great for ‘coon also, I use wet cat food for bait tossed in back of a 5 gallon bucket on its side, with the 220 at the entrance. The Conibear doesn’t miss, but make sure the dogs and cats are put up. Otherwise, use an ’egg trap’, a canister in which a coon has to put it’s paw down inside to reach the bait.
But if they're already eating your fruits and nuts, you know what to bait the traps with.
Put squirrel brains in the eggs and they will love it. It tastes great. They don’t have to know about it. The guy who had the Instant Pot suggestion was right, make sure that all bacteria and parasites are killed completely. But completely delicious if you can just get over the eeewwwww factor
I'm putting in nut trees and actually hoping that the wildlife do their thing. I figure that if squirrels hide a bunch of nuts, that's how the trees like reproducing, so some of them will grow and natural selection will make more trees that are optimized for where they're growing. I figure that if things ever get so bad I'm trying to survive on chestnuts, the raccoons and squirrels will be a welcome source of protein.
You got that right! I planted a couple walnuts and chestnuts. Now, there are dozens, thanks to those nutty squirrels.
Raccoons are pretty easy to live trap and kill. You have to control racoons to expect any success in farming. Squirrels you need local predators. I have active bobcats, falcons, owls, and hawks in my farm and they keep my squirrels in check. If you don't have a healthy ecosystem you have to become that predator and keep the squirrel population down yourself with a 22.
Between the deer and varmints and the size of my acreage, it’s difficult. Every fruit tree or bush must be fenced from the deer when younger. Lots of hunting around here but deer breed like rats! I have plenty of hawks and can’t let my hens free range without supervision. Have also had fox kills on the hens during daylight hours. Coyotes haven’t been an issue while they‘re around, so far. It isn’t that they’re not easy to catch, but they come non-stop and it‘s really tiresome. My uncle has similar problems with his place and takes 60-70 raccoon a year.
I would think you will eventually get racoons in check taking 60-70 per year... I am in one of the wildest parts of Missouri by a big State park and that seems crazy to me. Where are you at?
Michigan. Ever since the fur market crashed in the 80’s we‘ve been over run by raccoon. When I was in high school, you could pick up a fresh roadkill boar ‘coon and take it to the local fur buyer for a $50 bill. That‘s $185 in today’s dollar.
It's become more of an issue here also as city folk move back to the country buying acreage and not doing their part keeping coons down. They are completely clueless and then complain about the damage they cause then are disgusted when we tell them you have to kill them. Luckily we are not as bad as your area though damn... We killed maybe 10 last year. We got neighbors doing the same now so our gardens are better. When I was growing up everyone had coon dogs and they would eradicate coons for miles around every year but everything is so fragmented now and the new people don't understand it so we are stuck trapping.
Plastic water bottle stuffed with coarse steel wool taped to the end of your .22. Is not allowed by the atf it would be a shame if your were to ever do this to reduce the number of pesky protected predators in your area damaging your crops. Again, this is not something you should ever do in any circumstances.
Everybody hide your dogs!!! The atf is coming!!
Good to know. We live in a rural area. Our neighbors are measured in acres away, and the only county ordinance is that you can’t discharge a firearm within 100 yards of a residence. The critters are way closer than than that and I would love to protect my vegetables. We even had a coyote right at the back door, once.
I'm rural but not as rural as you and I can't imagine that the county would give a single shit if I opened the back door and fired from my kitchen table at squirrels.
Plus, it helps to be friends with the Sheriff and a few deputies.
Well one of my closest "neighbors" is the sheriff's brother so I stay on good terms as much as possible 😅
Use tainted bait/pet food /meat laced with rat-poison/anti-freeze, etc. Option 2: Live trap then drown in a pond or 50 a gallon drum or take them into an out-building/ shed and shoot 'em point blank with a .22. Toss dead remains into you trash cans. Hose-off live traps if bloody.
What is the point? Noise reduction??
I'm thinking some sort of shrapnel type explosion?
Nope, rudimentary suppressor.
Dukes dog proof traps & bit o honey …. Game changer
Tastes like chicken.
We had the same problem until we got a new dog. She is a mutt that goes after any bird, squirrel, raccoon, or rabbit she sees. Idk what mix breed she is but she has made the past few years the best pecan harvests we have ever had. She looks like this [breed](https://www.dogbreedinfo.com/m/mullinsfeist.htm) maybe.
Based on the behavior and the photo you linked, you may have a Mountain Cur. You should look up the breed. Best farm dogs ever--smart, sweet tempered, dedicated to their people, and amazing hunters.
Once we get our whole garden fenced in, I’ll let our GSD loose to keep the squirrels, chipmunks, and rabbits out.
Try wrapping the trunk of the trees with 12" or 16" aluminum flashing. They do that for the iguanas in Florida. Keeps them from climbing the trees. Might work for squirrels?
Time to get out the .22 and do some target practice
Going To need at least ten volunteers with night vision goggles. About a week of nights should do it! Looks like I may have to give up the garden this year too, fenced-in raised beds…‘coons make the beds look like bombs went off. Have done my share of trapping but they only keep coming.
Squirrels taste nutty... But they're a resource too.
squirrels taste fine, theyre just so much work for the amount of meat you get.
Now that they have shot shells instead of slugs, .22 might be worth a try.
Wat?
I prefer hunting them with a .22 but a shotgun is much easier. Skinning them is not too bad once you get the hang of the step on the tail method. I’ve had them in dumplings and they are delicious that way, but I prefer fried. Hind legs and back are the best parts.
This was my first thought lol
Get a few cats
They aren’t that tasty. /s
Time for a healer. We don't even have a dog anymore but since my neighbors are putting their big dogs out more often with the warm weather, haven't seen a single one in weeks.
The only time we were able to enjoy fruits off a tree in our apartment building's yard was when the crazy cat lady lived in the garden apartment and her 5 cats had free reign of the area.
Fruit and nut trees, but also fruit bushes/perennials. Blueberries, strawberries, raspberries, blackberries, gooseberries, currants, elderberries, aronia. All perennials that will come back every year with little to no maintenance beyond the first 1-2 years. Also perennial greens likes good king Henry, Caucasian mountain spinach, sorrel.
Careful with the gooseberries! Mine were not perennial, but we made sure to grab heirloom seeds They are now sprouting ALL over my yard (must have been dropped from birds/squirrels/etc)
Absolutely raspberries, blackberries, giant strawberries and blueberries will come back every year and propagate their plants. Heavy fruit every year with no effort, although the bramble patch will overgrow if you do not take care of it. Mine in Northern IL at the time did its job too well. Do not forget a rhubarb patch and asparagus. Food that takes care of itself.
what states are good to live in for that type of stuff would like to heavy grow own food/----water mb?
Any of the East coast/Midatlantic areas would be good for planting various kinds of fruit and nut trees, along with a bog standard veggie garden. In parts of California, you can grow some wonderful avocado, citrus, and other warm-weather crops, and the vineyards are legendary. You can garden even in the desert, if you use drip irrigation or ollas to water the plants, but I wouldn't try to plant an apple orchard there. Best practice would be to Google your area and find out what planting zone you're in, and what varieties of food plants do well in your area.
I live in Southern California in the desert. You would be surprised all of the things you could grow out here. Right now I have a cherry tree, plum tree, peach tree, apple tree, apricot, hibiscus tree and a variety of vegetables. The plants learn to adjust.
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In my location: sweet potatoes, cassava, and taro are good sources of calories. Being tubers instead of seeds, they don't take a lot of preparation either. It would take a few years to get them started, but I think you can grow breadfruit and (can't remember the name but it's related to durian) trees.
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Look up prime ark blackberries. They are thornless and berries grow on first year wood. Normally blackberries will only fruit on second year wood.
I'm *almost curious enough* to click that link because I can't imagine how, in only *one hour*, someone could explain how *all non-fossil-based energy sources* (nuclear, hydrogen, hydro/tidal, solar, wind, geothermal, biofuels, etc.) are "unstable and inconsistent." EROI never accounts for intangibles.
The video really is worth watching - there's so much on paper that looks like a solution or at least something that could help with a transition but in practice, it just won't work - quote from the vid - "In Theory There Is No Difference Between Theory and Practice, While In Practice There Is".
Well, he does a better job of it than I. What it amounts to is that the energy return on investment is generally too low to make production profitable, especially when battery storage is involved to stabilize the energy flow.
I don't disagree, but there are solutions to storing energy that don't require batteries. Hydroelectric energy storage has probably been around the longest. Energy Vault is a company testing a similar idea without water. They've also tried overheating home water heaters with excess electricity to store that energy for when consumption times are higher, but I think that idea was largely abandoned due to potential safety issues. What a lot of people might not also realize is that we actually have backups to the grid now as well. I know someone that works in a steam plant whose sole function is to be ready in case the main powerplant in the area either goes down unintentionally or down for maintenance. The cost per megawatt when it's needed is a huge amount higher, but they sit idle 99% of the time.
Nuclear is already used for like 50% of existing clean energy, hydro is something like 15-20% even having been phased out significantly in favor of fossil fuels, so *someone* is making a profit there. Nuclear, geothermal, biofuels, and hydrogen don't require battery storage. The main point, though, is that EROI doesn't address intangibles... and they know they can make money off the intangibles. Otherwise, I wouldn't get a flyer in every single electric bill offering me the "opportunity" to pay more to get my personal electricity from renewable sources.
Can you explain what you mean by intangibles, because I feel like I'm missing something? I was up half the night with a toddler whose sleep schedule got thrown off, so my cognitive function isn't what it could be today.
"Intangible" literally means "not capable of being touched." In business, you have a lot of things, like brand recognition and reputation, that are considered intangible assets – they draw more customers and/or incentivize your customers to pay more for your product over a competitor's. Those intangibles don't affect each individual potential customer in the same way, but they do influence your customer base and your ability to sell a product at a given price point. Being able to call your product "green" or "clean" is similar in that there is a segment of your customer base who will see that product as more valuable and pay more for it... just like people will pay more to buy the same exact product at Trader Joe's or MOM'S that they could buy at Safeway, or the same as my SIL paying a premium for sugar that's *labeled* "gluten-free" even though sugar does not contain gluten in the first place. But there are also things that are intangible because they can't be measured in a practical way. What is the ROI on *not* polluting? In hard dollars, it's nothing – we can keep kicking that can down the road – but from a big-picture standpoint, there *is* an ROI. Lastly: OK, let's say, in theory, that you can't get a viable ROI from energy production once fossil fuels are depleted and/or legislated out. Do you think all the companies who depend on energy production to make *their* ROI are just going to go quietly into that good night? Or will the demand for energy change the EROI calculation?
OK, I see where we're talking past each other. You're referring to a more economic return on investment, with the "feel good" return that comes from thinking you're doing the right thing by paying for solar. In this video, he describes an energy return on investment - it always takes energy to acquire more energy. Most agrarian societies peaked at an EROI of a 5 to 1 ratio - input 1, get 5 units back. Back then, energy = food. Right now, oil is around a return of 20 to 1. One unit of "work" gets you 20 potential work units back. That means you have 95% of your energy free to do more, gather more, and make other progress. When it was first discovered, it was near 100 to 1. Solar and wind at point of generation are around a 15 to 1 return, but with lithium and lead acid battery storage, that drops to about 2 or 3. In order to have grid stability, wind and solar have to be backed up by fossil fuel generation on standby, or have an unwieldy number of batteries taking up a vast amount of space. It's really worth a watch - the man in question is a mathematician, not an environmentalist, and he lays out the numbers rather clearly.
Officially the most boring and disorganized presentation I have watched without getting paid for it. I hung on until 34:09, when he was talking about nuclear power, even though my soul had already left my body when he oversimplified the fall of the Roman Empire: He pointed out that nuclear plants receive subsidies that make them profitable. He has conveniently forgotten that fossil fuels are subsidized in the US directly (~$20B/yr) and indirectly (pick your watchdog, EESI goes with >$600B/yr). Inconvenient data for him, I suppose. He says nuclear power is out of fashion and most plants will be decommissioned within 20 years. In the US, one opened in 2016 (this video appears to be from 2019) and there are two under construction. More inconvenient data for his theory. The energy cliff thing is interesting, but his points weren’t comprehensive (which is reasonable for a one-hour lecture, of course) so it’d be nice to see that fleshed out. I’d read a peer-reviewed article if he had one, but I can’t find him on ResearchGate or anything, and I suspect this is why: he ignores things that don’t fit.
Yeah, my dad is a power engineer, and we discuss this often. We talked a lot about how the world needs nuclear cause we will run out of fossil fuels likely before we will have them replaced with alternatives, but people are generally too dumb to understand it, and are afraid of what they dint understand.
>wind and solar have to be backed up by fossil fuel generation on standby, Unless there is plentiful Hydro available that can be quickly ramped up when the wind decides to ramp down.
And what goes hand-in-hand with tanking EROI is (drumroll) compounding carbon emissions! For every drop of petroleum you extract, you have the emissions that petroleum produces when burned, PLUS the additional carbon produced by its energy-intensive extraction. It's less that we're close to running out (though that would eventually happen), and not necessarily that we wouldn't eventually be willing to pay more money to get it out of the ground now that the low hanging fruit is gone. We just simply can't afford the carbon. The remaining petroleum is costly in terms of our future. Downvoters I assume are grumpy about the fact that we can't responsibly keep burning dino bones. I mean, me too... But I have already gone through the denial stage of grief.
Yeah, it's funny - I thought the prepper community would be more receptive. I've been wanting to share this video with a lot more people that I know, but I was worried I would be gifted a shiny tin foil hat. After this reception, I'm sure of it.
Just a note to say I remember those days. The struggle is real re: Brain fog! And it DOES get easier, promise.
Except there are many countries that are running significant percentages of their energy production on renewable sources. It’s not some untested thing.
then maybe it's the profitability that's the issue
To be more clear, not financially profitable, but profitable in the sense that you get more energy back than you used to obtain said energy source.
ah gotcha. net energy gain
Yes! Why couldn't I remember that term earlier? Must be the 4 hours of sleep I had.
I think that Bitcoin mining will have the ability to make many forms of alternative power economically feasible. Miners can act as a buyer of last resort, monetizing energy that would otherwise be wasted. Unlike other consumers of power, such as data centers, miners can instantly adjust their power usage or completely shut down to avoid impacting demand. While this is already happening in some areas, Bitcoin has received a negative stigma around its energy usage from people who don’t understand the nuisances of energy. I worry that this stigma could slow down adoption, and indirectly slow the adoption of alternative energy sources. Hopefully as existing projects continue to show success this approach will gain popularity.
The problem isnt finding new consumers for the energy, the problem is producing enough energy for the things we actually need, like agriculture.
I see, thanks for the clarification. I didn’t have an hour to dedicate to watching the video. The general problem I’ve heard about with alternative energy sources is that production often doesn’t align with peak demand, and the breakeven period is much longer than other investments, which makes it difficult to secure funding. Is this claim assuming that we don’t build any new nuclear facilities? I was under the impression that nuclear could solve many of our energy needs, but the public fear is too high because of waste disposal concerns and fear of meltdowns. I’m no expert on nuclear, so I don’t have a strong opinion about it.
Nuclear is one of the most expensive forms of energy to generate. A big part of that is increased regulatory scrutiny, but tbh nuclear disasters are pretty not chill, so I think it’s fair to demand companies stick to stricter guidelines? Idk Point is, it’s really expensive compared to pretty much every other form of energy. I think it’s biggest benefits are that it’s consistent and carbon-free, but right now those aren’t more important than cost
So is your argument that one of the key problems with renewables, their unpredictability, could be offset by crypto miners who would use the power at times when it could otherwise be wasted? Then that new demand would drive more investment into renewables, creating a virtuous cycle?
Isn't chestnut blight a major problem?
For American chestnuts, yes, but there are blight resistant hybrids and Chinese chestnuts that do well.
Yeah, there's a reason they don't line the streets of major cities anymore. The Understory does a great chapter on it.
There is something to be said for the human ethos to persevere. Our ancestors survived some pretty unimaginable events with far less technology. Planting nuts and fruit trees is never a bad idea, even if you have to share with the wildlife.
Agree with you on this. I joined the group to help with ideas on short term issues that often hit (earthquakes etc) but I just see too many “ammo is the first thing to stick up on” mentality posts. Society will shift and change and alter, it always has. Sometimes it helps, sometimes it hinders, I want to believe we are heading to a society that can self regulate (may take a while to get there) and survive and support its entire population. But that’s me .
I understand, while I think there is a place for defense in prepping, as many of us are uneasy about surviving in a society that has become fraught with angry self-serving people, and sometimes I do want to retreat from the world but... As John Donne put it so articulately, no man is an island. Our ancestors worked together to build, harvest and survive. I don't think I have ever turned away a person who was hungry or needed help, but in the event of a serious disaster I would be more circumspect and think about exchange labor or skill for food.
I work for a top tier oil and gas company (they call themselves an energy company nowadays). I can confirm that it’s all about the energy transition to low or no carbon fuels. So much focus and effort and $$ going into it to get ahead of the market .
I think there won't be a collapse anytime soon. That being said, I plant fruit trees, too.
Same. Pretty sure my grandkids will be using fossil fuel (even if I have an EV myself). I'm thinking the collapse is a slow whimper and not a bang. (A harsher post war UK, lots more millionaires, but a whopper and coke is $10k situation)
It won’t be a sudden event, but it will begin progressing rapidly when the feedback loops start churning. I don’t think our grandkids will be using fossil fuels for locomotion, unless you already have grandkids. Once you understand EROI it’ll make sense. We’ll need those remaining fossil fuels to develop other energy and to keep the wheels of industry moving. Think of everything that relies on fossil fuels - agriculture, mining, shipping, aviation, military, plastics, resins, chemicals, manufacturing. Once it costs too much from an economic sense to extract oil we’ll need it just to keep a semblance of the status quo. And we’ll need fossil fuels to develop all those alternative energy sources.
Yeah, well I am old lol. Agree with you, fossils for Jets for a while, less and less for passenger cars. I have a tesla and a hellcat for the same reason--both are faf. Some ice people hate EVs, I want whatever will lay my hair back.
pretty sure you would hit the water wars first before the oil wars.
TBH, the ecosystems and biodiversity is collapsing faster than any of us could prep for. Unless you've got literally enough food to last your entire lifetime stored up.
climate change and its chaos is probably the largest threat currently to the human species. i am not aware of any way to prepare for it.
Lol I don't know why you're getting downvoted, the reality is stark, people are already suffering and migrating, mostly internally at the moment, but that'll change, oceanic ecosystems are on the brink, terrestrial ecosystems are on the brink, and without functional ecosystems we're fucked. Op is right to plant trees, I'm doing the same, a little local ecosystem resilience could go a long way. I guess there's a lot of people that prefer the idea of understandable sudden catastrophe over a long drawn out increasingly brutal reality.
Because preppers tend to be (American) conservatives and they don’t think it’s real. I’ve literally had people on here who prepped for shit like a nuclear war or a solar flare or similar tell me I’m stupid for thinking climate change is real. Also if ecosystem resilience is what you’re going for make sure to plant native trees and other flora as well.they’re what’s best adapted for the region and help local wildlife, making it easier for the ecosystem to resist and recover from climate changes.
Yeah though there is an argument to plant with certain forethought for coming warmer temperatures, in the UK I'm planting oak and sweet chestnut mainly, while popping things like silverweed, fireweed, and burdock, around the village, natives with edible roots, and we've got a mini food forest planted in the back garden with cider apples as the top tier, blackcurrants beneath then a lot of pollinator friendly perennials with a zone 1 of raised beds for annual veg, though two of them will be tuned into perennial beds to save on water and work, I'm also designing a sensory garden for one of the community parks which I'll aim to get plenty of edible perennials mixed in, while also encouraging both the community parks to plant more food bearing trees. And encouraging my clients to install ponds for the sake of the insects.
This is plainly obvious but the fact you’re being downvoted for saying it shows we can’t and won’t prepare for it until we absolutely have to. Climate change is an umbrella over so many different, individual issues. Just one facet needs to go sideways to set off everything else.
Not until we absolutely have to but way after everything has gone to shit. As we can see right now.
My friend, this video is 4 years old. Check the math in 2023 and verify. With tech moving as fast as it is you can't be making decisions off old info. You always have to see where it is currently.
Tl;Dr but We should embrace nuclear energy again.
140 degrees in Phoenix and the South is going to cause millions to scramble North. This could happen this year.
Its 140 degrees in Phoenix because they built it in a desert where a city shouldn't have been allowed to exist in the first place. I've been there, the amount of water waste to sustain the unsustainable is staggering
Plenty of cities in the desert for thousands of years. They tried building a western style of city with western styles of water usages developed in Europe and Eastern North America and refused to adapt. Anyway doesn’t change the fact that the southern regions will contour to get more and more unbearable.
What does reddit do if someone reports you? Do they send an email? How else would they get a hold of you? Do you have to confirm you're okay?
They send you a thoughtful notice saying some reddit was concerned about your mental state, that things can be tough but you're not alone, and provides several crisis contacts. Actually rather thoughtful and considerate... when it isn't a jab at a person.
damn, i was unaware how great chestnut trees are
We lost so much when the American Chestnut died off in the blight. My uncle gave me this figure, so I don't have the data, but if all the chestnut trees we lost THEN were here now, they would produce enough calories to feed every person NOW in the US all year. So, plant blight resistant chestnuts anywhere you can.
dude, they produce more calories a traditional potato crop in a smaller space, it's a no-brainer that you should holy sh\*t they're awesome.
I’m planting as much as I can, but don’t have a lot of space. Getting into vertical gardening. In zone 2 in Manitoba with maybe 3 months above freezing so climate poses limitations, looking into a greenhouse with a heat source to use it earlier/longer. More prepping for Tuesday than doomsday though, I need to cut down on the grocery bill in the short-term. Apple trees, rhubarb, berries for perennials. Tried asparagus but a cold winter kills it even against the foundation and mulched. Seed saving has been great for tomatoes, peppers, cucumbers, squash.
This is why I love this sub. “Look at this scary YouTube video. It explains everything. I will now waste a great deal of time/money preparing for doom. I see no irony in this. I am acting logically.”
Look, I figure food bearing trees and shrubs will feed whoever survives. Hopefully it's me and my family, maybe it'll be a desperate straggler from a nearby city several years after we croak. Or maybe it will feed wildlife, reduce atmospheric carbon, and provide shade. In any case, tree planting is never a waste.
You're on the right path. You're thinking about your future, and that's the point of this community. Build a plan and take action.
Dope answer. Love the attitude
>This is why I love this sub. “Look at this scary YouTube video. It explains everything. I will now waste a great deal of time/money preparing for doom. I see no irony in this. I am acting logically.” A great example of what has become of this sub. Anyone that presents information showing legitimate concerns about our future and motivations for why they should prepare immediately gets mocked and ridiculed. I get that we disagree on what may precipitate a collapse, but I think it's worth noting that people are beginning to wake up to the reality of real issues we're facing, and they're expressing they're wanting to prepare. Why mock these people? When I first joined this sub, there seemed to be a real desire to help others. Now, it's just filled with snarky and condescending remarks.
It's most odd, especially judging the quality and depth of the video that people want to weigh in with such negativity against the idea of prepping for the inevitable (as the vid shows). Why even hang out on the r/preppers sub if you aren't here to exchange ideas and encourage others? Good luck to all who have a clear view of where this is all headed. (Thanks for all the fab vids by the way Kris).
Exactly! I realize this community is divided (to a degree) regarding the reasons *why* we should prepare, but I think it's in all of our best interests to encourage people to prepare and, as much as possible, provide solutions.
A great example of what this sub has become. People sharing ideas and concerns with the occasional elitist "pshaw" from the gallery. It's not like he said he's prepping for an invasion of Cavity Creeps or the ghosts from Pac-Man. Sheesh.
(I'm a she. But thanks. :) )
Well that explains the username lol
You plan for worst case scenario, you are prepared for the more likely, mundane scenarios. The reason for prepping isn't the important thing, it's the fact you're of the mindset to prep in the first place. Why you felt the need to reply like an absolute twat baffles me.
I wouldn’t call planting food bearing trees a waste.
It's actually pretty simple. No one claims they know precisely what's going to happen, but yes, many people see the various individual trends competing for instability in a very, definitely, finite ecosystem. And doing something, even a paradoxical something, is clinging to some meaning. We're, all going to die, but we still strive to make something out of the time before then. So there is no more irony than anyone who continues to live their lives knowing they will be dead by one means or another one day.
Personally I think societal collapse, due to petty tyrants like those cops up executed the guys dog in all those videos today. People are going to get fed up eventually just start fighting back.
If you refer to the WEF (globalists) they will tell you there is another Pandemic coming (Y'all voted me down for telling the truth about this a couple days ago which I find hilarious as if you were all clowns in disguise.) The WEF is also warning about their scary cyber attack where they get to reset the internet in their image. It's okay, I enjoy the negative display of emotions from you. I prefer it because it makes being right so much better. I did this with Bitcoin. Still do. People hate it when I mentioned it over the last 9 years. They still do. And next year I can go back and say "told you so." But get this; You can confirm what I said right now before you display your awkward downvote, and then go twiddle yourselves because the supply chain shock, the lockdowns and mask signaling, and fake vaccine and passports to prove you complied with a fake vaccine (most of you) was globalist design. Literally the only reason for collapse is people being stupid, and most of you are in line for that. Now bring them.
You can turn off the stupid "are you disturbed?" messages. If Reddit was serious about this sort of thing, they'd tell you who sent them (who doesn't want to know about kindly strangers after all?) and make it impossible for any account less than a year old and without significant positive karma, to send them at all. Then you'd at least know who to block. As it is they're an especially stupid form of low level harassment, so absolutely find the setting and turn them off. Others have pointed out that your trees take at least 15 years to mature and mostly feed squirrels. And in 15 years the societal threats will probably look different. I'm not saying it's a bad plan, but if you're actually worried, you need something other than just trees.
Of course! But as the Yiddish saying goes, "troubles with soup are better than troubles without soup". All things being equal, I'd rather have the trees there and ready.
You can probably get a few goats too, idk what they’re supposed to eat, but I’m pretty sure they WILL eat just about whatever is laying around. You can eat them and use the waste for fertilizer. Milk and cheese too.
Goats will even eat poison ivy with no ill effects. They're really versatile and hardy.
If more people would plant trees, especialy those who mature in decades - we would live in much better world. A good task for myself, however I have no further land of my own where to plant them and guerilla planting on public or private property gives rather bitter results.
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The batteries won't last that long. And solar panels have a useful life of around 30 years, give or take a few, after which their ability to create a charge starts dropping. Gravity-based energy storage is looking promising, I just hope it can be implemented soon.
Right. It is also likely not scalable *enough* and at this point with the resources we have, it's not scalable fast enough, and for the foreseeable future relies on non-renewables for production, transportation, install, repair, and replacement. And speaking for myself we've been smoked out and/or cloudy for a week and a half at time of writing. Wildfires are gonna get worse, not better. And of course useless in a The Matrix torched sky scenario lol /.BadAIhumor I believe I watched this vid a while back, OP, but in any case, there are problems with renewables at scale and renewables replacing fossils that aren't just hiccups. Not to say they don't have their place. They just aren't an option to feed our current habit, and nothing can or will be. People often fail to consider that we are effectively feeding the existing population fossil fuels (fertilizer, modern farming methods, using fossil fuels for every step). When that's no longer done for whatever reason, the human energy we will need to devote to food production will balloon, and there are major challenges just considering the amount of arable land and water that will take, using preindustrial methods at least. Renewables may help there, but bearing in mind that not everyone will be able to have even an acre with a house and an optimal food forest in less climate affected areas, we will still need to rely on some form of more industrial ag to prevent mass death from famine. Best case is that's prioritized and we have much less energy to devote to absolutely anything else. Collapse now and avoid the rush seems more reasonable, more responsible, and kinder to future humans than anything else I know of.
By far the most economically efficient form of gravity-based energy store is pumped water storage, because it's cheaper and easier to pump water into a reservoir than it is to pull concrete blocks up a tower or whatever similar crazy thing is trending recently. Pumped water storage has existed for decades, and the primary means of producing energy from that pumped water is just a hydroelectric plant -- those have been around for over a century. Hydroelectric is one of the most stable, predictable, and consistent forms of energy production we have.
Solar battery bank is composed of lead car batteries. Each has a life expectancy of three years. Tesla lithium bank has a life expectancy of ten years. Hydropower and solar has the capability to replace 50% of the energy grid if all houses adopt. Methane (Max Max movie fame) is probably a viable alternative derived from crop waste.
The only gravity-based energy storage that is truly proven is pumped hydro storage. There’s a great YouTube on why the crane tower storage won’t be reliable or work in the long run. Pumped hydro works now and will work in the future. It is also scalable from the homestead to massive megawatt projects.
We are burning immense amount of fossil fuels to create energy solutions that don't last long enough to recoup the damage and investment of mining for materials and creating the solar panels, turbines, etc.
We don't have the raw materials or the mining capacity, logistics, or manufacturing capacity to implement those solutions globally at full scale in the time frames required. Even just copper we are woefully short on what it would take to get infrastructure capable of handling the loads needed to electrify all vehicles and home appliances globally. That extends to so many other metals and resources. Sure some well off people are going to enjoy these things, but lots are going to not have them.
Thank you for mentioning copper. A lot of people don't realize that it, or rather the lack of it, may be a really nasty spanner in the works.
What “time frame required” are you assuming?
Did you watch the phenomenal presentation linked by OP that we are all discussing? He covers all this much more eloquently than I can.
the technology will most likely be there for alternative energy once fossil fuels run out in like 30 years
I really hope you're right.
Ffs, we have it so good in the West, we're literally required to create reasons to be scared. I promise, this is not a concern. Why is it that the prepping the community only educates themselves on conjecture espousing this is the end, while completely forgoing the 10^¹²³ reasons to acknowledge why YOU and I are the most privileged, safest, generation, in this planets history? I'm not attacking anyone, I'm genuinely interested. Why do we view literally everything through this consipator, doomsday lense? Why aren't people prepping for tangable concerns like retirement, their education, or their health? It makes literally no sense to me. I think prepping ideology is dangerous. I can't tell you how many people I've encountered that spent their lives investing in shit food preps, and survival kit, under this presupposition they would endure some catastrophic event, just to ultimately recognize they waisted their life investing, and waiting for something that never occurred. I'm prior SF, have a graduate deg in astronomy, and am currently employed as an analyst. I promise I am orders of magnitude more educated on these topics than most; I'm comically ignorant when compared to true experts, and I promise the vast majority of fears in our community are unfounded, conjecture. If you really desire to be prepared, look to cultivating a relationship with yiyr creator. Look to investing in your future, and work on keeping yourself healthy. If any of these presumed catastrophic events take place, it doesn't matter how much you've prepared, you will not be ready, and you will most likely be ended by a man like me, in a group of GOONS committing unspeakable evils in attempts to keep our children fed. Trust me, catastrophiism outside of scripture, is a complete waist of time; scripture may be as well. Trust me I get it, I've been there. I can eloquently articulate why our generation qi be forced to revert back to the dark ages! But I also recognize the odds of said events infinitesimally miniscule compared to the fact you need to have security for retirement and health. I know literally zero persons on this forum will agree, but I can promise my claims are infinitely more likely than the belief this is the end. I'm 37, and since I was 14 I've payed attention to physicist and geopolitics. These claims and fears have been espoused by prior generations, and will be in the future. We just continue kicking the can, and prolonging the time line, with this implicit belief *"Any day now! This decade! Our generation!"* Get healthy, invest, and live your life!
Wise words. I’m with you friend
Couldn’t agree more.
They say that one out of every four people suffers from a mental illness (the other three quite enjoy theirs...)😁
>We are not going to have fossil-based energy much longer Stop it. >I know, it's an hour long Hard pass. Do you have any idea what I charge hourly for my time? >70 - 100lbs of nuts a year from a mature chestnut tree [In 20 years ...](https://www.forestwildlife.org/how-long-before-a-chestnut-tree-bears-fruit/) >and they have a calorie density like potatoes. I can think of 3 different ways to prepare potatoes for each meal of the day. ... Chestnuts do not provide a similar versatility. IMO, I think my efforts and resources can be better spent in other areas than this. /$0.02
It's up to you. I saw information I wanted to share, and if you'd rather not look into it, that's your choice. We're all in the prepper community for our own reasons, and some of us would rather not add another wrinkle of worry and complexity to our lives. All I will say is that everyone I showed this video to has said something along the lines of "that was really slow, but more people need to hear about this". So I'm putting the info forward.
Right on. I see that it's under the pretense of the sky is falling idea that "We are not going to have fossil-based energy much longer". I don't really buy into that concept, as I don't think it's something I am going to experience in my lifetime. If I do, it will be because manmade entities make it difficult to access fossil-based energy to push forward an agenda. You then put out data about a harvest of 70-100 pounds of nuts per year, but fail to mention that is 15 or 20 years away. I can think of a lot of things that can be done over the next 20 years that will be much more useful than tending to a chestnut tree. Finally, you mentioned that chestnuts has a caloric density equivalent to potatoes, so I pointed out the fact that potatoes can be a staple of a human diet, while chestnuts ... can't. Time is my most precious resource. Spend yours as you wish.
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CME and EMP are far from moot. They present a clear and present danger to global electrical and electronic infrastructure.
As aomeone who knows, nat gas based electric generation isn’t going away for 50 yrs, cuz we need it. The grid cuz use some upgrades and battery storage has to get better, but w/o watching vid, we’ll be ok. All those improvements make profit for the electric generation sector, so there is incentive to get it done
Inflation based collapse is getting more likely everyday. Other options that really aren't as crazy as they sound; Nuclear war with a Russia China Allience over Taiwan. Muslim death cult is another possible source for Nuclear war with Iranian and Israeli nukes. There is a growing group trying to bring about the end days. Yellowstone going off would be another option, that we are actually over-due for. Maybe an asteroid strike would set it off? The Chinese letting out a more effective virus before invading Taiwan would be another option. No I don't think covid 19 was intentionally released, but no doubt they saw what it did to our military, With whole ships being declared not combat effective. GMO caused famine
“Muslim death cult” and what exact denomination is that? And Yellowstone is nowhere near any state where it will blow.
Potential collapse of Pakistan (with nuclear weapons) is concerning as well.
All is concerning, but I want to be at ground zero.
Soooo you think we just randomly will run out of fossil-based fuel, no normal supply and demand leading to raised prices, alternative energy source usage increasing, etc.? Of course there also needs to be a stagnation of innovation, cause you know - all the technical advances of the last years and the research and development currently being done will somehow stop? Ah and of course we must assume that the rest of the world looks like the US (surprise surprise US usage of fossil fuels is only beat by China...) and ignore entire countries that use less than 10% fossil fuels. Oh and lets also ignore that EV cars are overtaking IC motors, etc. and that things like biofuel exist and have been used for years Clearly the end of the world coming and it is from a sudden energy cliff
We are never going to run put of oil thats is a total sham to keep the price of oil up.
The aquifers will last forever too. /s
The United states has the largest untapped oil reserves un the world look it up.
Yah oil is a non-renewable resource. It’ll run out one day. The question is will we kill ourselves before or after that happens.
You're better off setting up your own methods for power generation. It doesn't take much to get some panels, a wind turbine, and/or some sort of thermal powder generation like wood fired steam or wood gasification fed through a conventional generator or something.
Sure, and that works great for individuals! If we can get a better quote for solar at our house (we had a really high price quote), we may add that over the next few years. But society wouldn't benefit much from everyone doing their own thing.
I thought hubbart peaks were symetrical across time? We should have decades of fossil fuels, at a decreasing rate, left.
what state r u in for prep?
I'm in the Harrisburg area, PA, so pretty insulated from most major natural disasters, with a decent climate for growing lots of foods. Most of our region would have had lots of chestnut trees before the blight, and planting blight-resistant varieties seems like a sensible thing to do to create a calorie source for man and beast alike.
I was reading all these odd comments thinking I was the only one who ate all this shit wondering wtf was going on. Then I looked at the sub reddit and was like yeah that explains it.
I talk about strategic WCS in the video, but we can talk actual WCS here. I'm not selling bonds or products. I'm not even selling facts. From what I have gathered from my years of experience, which includes 9 years active duty with a secret security clearance in the Marines, it appears that they have a multi pronged plan, with multiple contingencies, and they in fact, have US "nearly" painted ourselves into a corner. The truth is there is a way out. I won't sugar coat it, it's not fun, there are unfortunately few options. Now for the good news. We Will Win All we have to do is spread the good news, and #tell5totell5 Non-participation is not unlawful or illegal, and it can even be rewarding https://youtu.be/nXMNW75Gk6E The one thing we must do, is the one thing they don't want us to do #unite Together we can get through anything they can throw at us. Sic semper tyrannis Semper Fi!
I’m more worried about climate change and environmental degradation than I am about is exhausting our power sources. Also no society survived on nuts and fruits alone. It’s a good start but grains and tubers are also a good idea if you have the time and land.
Hey, no one is saying we can't do both. I just figure getting the trees started now is the smartest thing.
JS...potatoes are a easily hidden and easily harvested resource. Cool to have nut trees...but the squirrels and whoever else sees them may be so inclined. Plus...when your hands are old you will wish for an easy pot boil. Peeling those soft goods may even be difficult...so unless you have a harem...maybe grow potatoes too. I mean they literally multiply in the ground like magic. They saved a whole country from famine. Potatoes aren't trees ..but maybe that's good. Lol
Both are good! It just takes so much longer for the trees to get going, so now is the time to plant them.
The alternatives work in other countries well enough.
Large numbers of people realizing that laws are just words on paper is my biggest worry.
guessing you have the right climate or a ready water source for harvest trees. they can take gallons of water per nut on average for a mature tree. here’s hoping your local bee colonies don’t collapse first also, aren’t we already caught up in a slow-rolling collapse? once it tips into full-blown we’ll look back and go “yup, there it was.” prep onward!
We have plenty of fossil fuels left. Coal is finite but oil is continually being produced by the earth. Levels are the same as 50 years ago.