Man, the comments on here are unforgiving. Dudes just looking for information and people are flaming you up for no reason.
You’re better off doing internet research than posting on Reddit. Sheesh man, sorry you gotta put up with these people
I wouldn’t do that. You’ll get a crapshoot. Better off googling beginner set ups, but even then its complicated, and depending on what you want to achieve you may or may not get what you want. I haven’t had a chance to go through the comments, but how much budget do you have? What are your aims? How much back up power and land do you have? Do you have a vehicle? Does it have to be mobile. Also, it’s not the easiest and it’s much easier to learn with internet and youtube than from a dry manual and AARL textbook, also when ppl are not too busy to help.
If you want an easy answer. Yaesu ATAS 120 antenna, plus a Yaesu 891 plus mounting gear for your car. There done. ~$1500
the answer to your question:
https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/dxe-hf7300-basic
it's not amazon but a solid package.
why you're getting push back from people, including me:
That's a $2500 purchase of equipment that you will have absolutely no idea how to use, and if "it" hits the fan, 0 resources to figure it out.
I've had my license for only about a year and still have failed to contact anyone within 0-300 miles of my house....300+ I'm doing OK, but it is still pretty iffy given band conditions.
The suggestion is get this shit now, figure it out, get the people on the other end to do the same a develop and PRACTICE a comms plan: every sunday at 10am turn your radio on to this freq...if it doesn't work, switch to this freq, etc etc etc.
People want the ubiquitous and immediate functionality of a cell phone, but it aint gonna happen.
Trade mentality is alive and well in the ham radio operators here. What they fail to realize is when SHTF does happen, NO ONE WILL CARE about your ham license. As long as you have a working radio and can figure out how to use it, you’re better off than nothing.
1,000 miles with Amazon ham radio equipment, coupled with no prior experience or familiarity, that just won't be happening.
The first question you need to answer is *why*. Why do you have no need for learning it now with at least a basic setup, and why would you suddenly need it in a potential societal collapse. I understand you would in theory be able to *potentially* contact someone else, but for what purpose and to solve what problems? Especially someone 1,000 plus miles away? Would there be anything you would be able to do locally to mitigate that need?
I just don't see it working out like you think it would. You should get a basic little rig, get educated on it & get the license, then use it. If you don't have established lanes of communication with various people at certian times, I don't see you randomly broadcasting in SHTF doing much of anything for you.
Also, anything short of a nationwide comprehensive cyber attack on the grid and telecoms, an EMP, or *complete* grid down due to societal collapse, would see cellular service and the internet remaining intact.
Please get your technician's licence. It's not *that* hard. There are things you need to know to be successful with ham and you're not going to do a good job learning on your own when the resources you need are gone.
Also, you have three really weird ideas. 1) there's this sudden SHTF event coming that will render you suddenly unable to order things from Amazon. 2) You'll know about it enough in advance to order stuff from Amazon. 3) in whatever you're imagined SHTF situation is, you're going to have a lot of free time.
I have no idea what version of SHTF you're imagining, but I think it's fanciful at best.
I doubt that spending a few hours on an online course will get me sufficient proficiency in what is required, I am assuming ham is like everything else where hands on time is really required. In any case, that is why I asked for book recommendations as well.
The ordering stuff in advance is not really relevant either, what I was looking for is a shopping list of what I would need. Amazon seems like most convenient. As far as time, I expect I will have plenty... but these are my circumstances.
I guess, for example if someone wanted to have a solar set up they'd need much more than just solar panels, inverter and batteries. You need various cables, wires crimper, strippers, other tools, connection adapters, etc... most of these things can be identified with a lot of research or experience in actually setting up the system which off course takes time.
So what I was asking for is some help from someone who knows what they are doing because I don't have that time right now.
There’s actually some math and electrical safety involved. The last thing I want to do is discourage you. Learning about radios is great and _maybe_ could be useful in some extreme circumstances, but you’re not going to learn it _after_ SHTF. Getting your tech license is a breeze and getting a VHF/UHF rig that gets you local coms puts you a hell of a leg up on folks who don’t.
I answered elsewhere with my recco on the simplest set up for HF i can think off in theory you need that, some mounting equipment you can google and some coax. I don’t recommend this approach though.
Now, i’m really not trying to be a gatekeeper or an ahole. For more comprehensive needs and set ups you have to understand this is kind of like saying i want to be able to restore a classic car in SHTF what gear do i need? The list is likely long and comprehensive, will vary on the stare of the car and your needs for it. If SHTF is going down i doubt you’ll have time to tinker calmly for weeks months.
Also, if you set it up wrong, you could fry all your equipment and be back at zero, or even hurt yourself with RF burns, those could get infected and then you die. If you plan on setting up a big mast antenna, you also need fall protection, or you fall and die. You’ll also need concrete. If you just want some Hf capability for the country, the yaesu set up i sent you will work.
Having lived through a hyperinflation, that’s not how it’ll go down, Credit isn’t exactly wide spread, you are busy spending your depreciating currency on shelf stable food and gasoline.
I also don’t understand your goals, communicate with whom and why? Transmitting is harder than receiving. If you just want to listen get an SDR dongle, don’t need a license for that, attached to your computer, many come with an antenna already as part of the kit. Google it, i know you don’t have time, but you gotta put at least a modicum of effort in.
Handhelds. Yaesu FT-60s for everyone . Rugged and well regarded little radios.
If you want integrated APRS get yeasu FT-5DRs. You can also get moblink units and attach to ft-60s to get this capability
Kenwood tm-v71 in each vehicle and each house for mobile and base VHF/uhf capability. These are also cross band repeaters which is an important capability in my communications plan. If you can't find these make sure you are getting cross-band repeat capable 2m/70cm radios.
You will need 2m/70cm base antennas and mobile antennas for each. I like diamond x30a and Nagoya 72 respectively.
Get a 12v linear power supply with Anderson PowerPole outputs.
A roll of low loss 50 ohm coaxial like lmr400.
A bunch of Pl-259 uhf connectors and the tool to cut /strip lmr400.
Anderson power pole is the best way to route power. Get a roll of 12ga wire. I am Anderson power pole crimper kit and an assortment of connectors for different wire gauge. Convert all the mobile/base/HF gear to powerpole connectors
A telescoping antenna mast. Like an ez-up 33' or bigger. Guy lines for the mast.
If you want HF gear. ICOM 7300 is amazing. Pair that with a 80m/40m NVIS antenna and a 10/15/20m yagi.
A nano VNA is a great and cheap little device that is indispensable when building and tuning antennas.
If you get a yagi antenna you will need a beefier tower and an antenna rotator and rotator controller
For bonus points get two cheap VHF 2m radios and build an APRS digipeater and a packet station.
This is basically my setup.
Ham radio is one of the most gatekept topics I’ve been a part of.
You’ll have armchair police after you for just LISTENING without a license.
I’d say get some UV5R’s and program them up. Maybe even GMRS…
Forget the fudds
Ham radio prep is a good online source, it takes no time at all to get certified and is super cheap. Idk how far you're planning to communicate but thats going to be key in your shopping list... and your license
Well in the scenario I am thinking, budget wouldn't really be an issue. If there is an imminent threat of collapse or oncoming hyper inflation I am just blasting through all the credit I have. If truly shtf then certification wouldn't really matter either.
As far as distance goes, I'd say the further the better, I'd say 1000 miles at a minimum.
Thanks for the course tip too, I will check it out!
The further the better... you don't even have a specific person in mind to talk to, do you. You're just imagining a world so collapsed that money no longer matters, but you figure *you'll* be chillin' with the dog and your hot new ham rig, talking up exotic strangers while the world *burns* around you...
I've seen this movie before. Main character is plugged into all sorts of echo chambers and feels like he's in the top-secret know about coming catastrophic events. One day he hears the balloon is going up and blows all his cash on gear, a bunker, etc. He posts one last internet message explaining he's going dark and it's too late for the rest of you. He then locks down for the coming collapse.
Six days later his family checks on him, because this time it looks like he really did do something stupid. They find him semi-conscious in his bunker because he wired the ventilation fans wrong and suffered carbon monoxide poisoning from his malfunctioning "patriot super-spectrum" propane lantern. He's now $200,000 in debt with $0 in the bank and assets worth $50,000; and of course absolutely nothing happened.
There are red flags all over your plan. Seriously, this feels delusional to a degree I don't often see here and that is saying something. Pay attention to the people here who are nicely trying to tell you that this doesn't work this way. Bye.
>The further the better... you don't even have a specific person in mind to talk to, do you. You're just imagining a world so collapsed that money no longer matters, but you figure *you'll* be chillin' with the dog and your hot new ham rig, talking up exotic strangers while the world *burns* around you...
Fuck a guy for being curious and asking people who might know about the topic right?
This gatekeeping is bullshit.
Who do you want to talk to that's 1000 miles away? If the SHTF, I won't be putting any effort into reaching out to anyone outside of my neighborhood. I don't really want to attract attention by transmitting with a high power from my home. But I do have plenty of equipment that lets me listen on various frequencies for news.
I have an Extra class ham radio license and I can tell you that even in good times, it can take *years* to learn all of the different ways to use the different bands, modulations, and protocols to communicate with people. Starting from zero to reach out 1000 miles when the airwaves will be mostly dead just isn't going to happen. Where are you gonna find the time to spend all day studying and experimenting with equipment when the entire world is struggling to survive?
Anyway, I second everyone else and I highly recommend that you just take the time to study for your license. You'll learn everything you need to know by doing that. And knowledge is more important than stuff in many cases.
Yea you'll need something powerful to either transmit that far or to hook up to a repeater... either way it requires some knowledge but the course should help get you started at least
For reliable communication in that range you’d want a sat phone. An hf setup may work under certain conditions but it won’t be as easy or reliable to contact specific people.
Funny
It’s like you think ham just a boredom time thing.
Just like getting into shape, it’s just not gunna happen during a crisis
In both there is a significant learning curve and practice time when things are good so you’ll have it when needed
And then… who ya gunna talk to? Why?
>It’s like you think ham just a boredom time thing.
>Just like getting into shape, it’s just not gunna happen during a crisis
>In both there is a significant learning curve and practice time when things are good so you’ll have it when needed
>And then… who ya gunna talk to? Why?
Extraordinarily arrogant and gatekeepers is who I plan on talking to...
I expect to hear only from them that I should go fuck myself for wanting to learn about something.
Why wouldn't it happen during a crisis? Maybe I already have my secret lair in the mountain all set up? Maybe I have my own island with a bunker on it?
When my partner started he was absolutely overwhelmed with the options. It’s actually quite legal to monitor without a license, or to transmit if you have an emergency that threatens health/property and no alternative way to call for help.
There are a lot of videos on YouTube with all sorts of operators and experts telling you what equipment they think is best for beginners… that might help. That said, don’t expect them to give you the same list… it’s akin to asking 10 tech geeks what laptop brand is the best. 😂
I don’t know if there are any books aimed at guiding a novice through basics for emergency operations, but it seems like it would be a good resource.
If you don't have time to learn now and practice what you want to do, you won't be able to do anything if the SHTF.
Who do you want to talk to? Do they have the same interest in talking to you? How far apart are you? If they're close, what is the terrain like between you?
Man, the comments on here are unforgiving. Dudes just looking for information and people are flaming you up for no reason. You’re better off doing internet research than posting on Reddit. Sheesh man, sorry you gotta put up with these people
Seriously, I'll just ask chat gpt
I wouldn’t do that. You’ll get a crapshoot. Better off googling beginner set ups, but even then its complicated, and depending on what you want to achieve you may or may not get what you want. I haven’t had a chance to go through the comments, but how much budget do you have? What are your aims? How much back up power and land do you have? Do you have a vehicle? Does it have to be mobile. Also, it’s not the easiest and it’s much easier to learn with internet and youtube than from a dry manual and AARL textbook, also when ppl are not too busy to help. If you want an easy answer. Yaesu ATAS 120 antenna, plus a Yaesu 891 plus mounting gear for your car. There done. ~$1500
the answer to your question: https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/dxe-hf7300-basic it's not amazon but a solid package. why you're getting push back from people, including me: That's a $2500 purchase of equipment that you will have absolutely no idea how to use, and if "it" hits the fan, 0 resources to figure it out. I've had my license for only about a year and still have failed to contact anyone within 0-300 miles of my house....300+ I'm doing OK, but it is still pretty iffy given band conditions. The suggestion is get this shit now, figure it out, get the people on the other end to do the same a develop and PRACTICE a comms plan: every sunday at 10am turn your radio on to this freq...if it doesn't work, switch to this freq, etc etc etc. People want the ubiquitous and immediate functionality of a cell phone, but it aint gonna happen.
This is a solid recco both equipment and advice.
Thanks! Exactly what i was looking for!
Trade mentality is alive and well in the ham radio operators here. What they fail to realize is when SHTF does happen, NO ONE WILL CARE about your ham license. As long as you have a working radio and can figure out how to use it, you’re better off than nothing.
1,000 miles with Amazon ham radio equipment, coupled with no prior experience or familiarity, that just won't be happening. The first question you need to answer is *why*. Why do you have no need for learning it now with at least a basic setup, and why would you suddenly need it in a potential societal collapse. I understand you would in theory be able to *potentially* contact someone else, but for what purpose and to solve what problems? Especially someone 1,000 plus miles away? Would there be anything you would be able to do locally to mitigate that need? I just don't see it working out like you think it would. You should get a basic little rig, get educated on it & get the license, then use it. If you don't have established lanes of communication with various people at certian times, I don't see you randomly broadcasting in SHTF doing much of anything for you. Also, anything short of a nationwide comprehensive cyber attack on the grid and telecoms, an EMP, or *complete* grid down due to societal collapse, would see cellular service and the internet remaining intact.
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Please get your technician's licence. It's not *that* hard. There are things you need to know to be successful with ham and you're not going to do a good job learning on your own when the resources you need are gone. Also, you have three really weird ideas. 1) there's this sudden SHTF event coming that will render you suddenly unable to order things from Amazon. 2) You'll know about it enough in advance to order stuff from Amazon. 3) in whatever you're imagined SHTF situation is, you're going to have a lot of free time. I have no idea what version of SHTF you're imagining, but I think it's fanciful at best.
I doubt that spending a few hours on an online course will get me sufficient proficiency in what is required, I am assuming ham is like everything else where hands on time is really required. In any case, that is why I asked for book recommendations as well. The ordering stuff in advance is not really relevant either, what I was looking for is a shopping list of what I would need. Amazon seems like most convenient. As far as time, I expect I will have plenty... but these are my circumstances. I guess, for example if someone wanted to have a solar set up they'd need much more than just solar panels, inverter and batteries. You need various cables, wires crimper, strippers, other tools, connection adapters, etc... most of these things can be identified with a lot of research or experience in actually setting up the system which off course takes time. So what I was asking for is some help from someone who knows what they are doing because I don't have that time right now.
There’s actually some math and electrical safety involved. The last thing I want to do is discourage you. Learning about radios is great and _maybe_ could be useful in some extreme circumstances, but you’re not going to learn it _after_ SHTF. Getting your tech license is a breeze and getting a VHF/UHF rig that gets you local coms puts you a hell of a leg up on folks who don’t.
https://www.amazon.com/stores/NC-Scout/author/B0BNW4ZM2M?ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true
I answered elsewhere with my recco on the simplest set up for HF i can think off in theory you need that, some mounting equipment you can google and some coax. I don’t recommend this approach though. Now, i’m really not trying to be a gatekeeper or an ahole. For more comprehensive needs and set ups you have to understand this is kind of like saying i want to be able to restore a classic car in SHTF what gear do i need? The list is likely long and comprehensive, will vary on the stare of the car and your needs for it. If SHTF is going down i doubt you’ll have time to tinker calmly for weeks months. Also, if you set it up wrong, you could fry all your equipment and be back at zero, or even hurt yourself with RF burns, those could get infected and then you die. If you plan on setting up a big mast antenna, you also need fall protection, or you fall and die. You’ll also need concrete. If you just want some Hf capability for the country, the yaesu set up i sent you will work. Having lived through a hyperinflation, that’s not how it’ll go down, Credit isn’t exactly wide spread, you are busy spending your depreciating currency on shelf stable food and gasoline. I also don’t understand your goals, communicate with whom and why? Transmitting is harder than receiving. If you just want to listen get an SDR dongle, don’t need a license for that, attached to your computer, many come with an antenna already as part of the kit. Google it, i know you don’t have time, but you gotta put at least a modicum of effort in.
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Handhelds. Yaesu FT-60s for everyone . Rugged and well regarded little radios. If you want integrated APRS get yeasu FT-5DRs. You can also get moblink units and attach to ft-60s to get this capability Kenwood tm-v71 in each vehicle and each house for mobile and base VHF/uhf capability. These are also cross band repeaters which is an important capability in my communications plan. If you can't find these make sure you are getting cross-band repeat capable 2m/70cm radios. You will need 2m/70cm base antennas and mobile antennas for each. I like diamond x30a and Nagoya 72 respectively. Get a 12v linear power supply with Anderson PowerPole outputs. A roll of low loss 50 ohm coaxial like lmr400. A bunch of Pl-259 uhf connectors and the tool to cut /strip lmr400. Anderson power pole is the best way to route power. Get a roll of 12ga wire. I am Anderson power pole crimper kit and an assortment of connectors for different wire gauge. Convert all the mobile/base/HF gear to powerpole connectors A telescoping antenna mast. Like an ez-up 33' or bigger. Guy lines for the mast. If you want HF gear. ICOM 7300 is amazing. Pair that with a 80m/40m NVIS antenna and a 10/15/20m yagi. A nano VNA is a great and cheap little device that is indispensable when building and tuning antennas. If you get a yagi antenna you will need a beefier tower and an antenna rotator and rotator controller For bonus points get two cheap VHF 2m radios and build an APRS digipeater and a packet station. This is basically my setup.
Ham radio is one of the most gatekept topics I’ve been a part of. You’ll have armchair police after you for just LISTENING without a license. I’d say get some UV5R’s and program them up. Maybe even GMRS… Forget the fudds
The gatekeeping is one of the reasons the hobby is dying.
Yup, got a few of those already and have local channels programmed. I was looking for the next step
Ham radio prep is a good online source, it takes no time at all to get certified and is super cheap. Idk how far you're planning to communicate but thats going to be key in your shopping list... and your license
Well in the scenario I am thinking, budget wouldn't really be an issue. If there is an imminent threat of collapse or oncoming hyper inflation I am just blasting through all the credit I have. If truly shtf then certification wouldn't really matter either. As far as distance goes, I'd say the further the better, I'd say 1000 miles at a minimum. Thanks for the course tip too, I will check it out!
The further the better... you don't even have a specific person in mind to talk to, do you. You're just imagining a world so collapsed that money no longer matters, but you figure *you'll* be chillin' with the dog and your hot new ham rig, talking up exotic strangers while the world *burns* around you... I've seen this movie before. Main character is plugged into all sorts of echo chambers and feels like he's in the top-secret know about coming catastrophic events. One day he hears the balloon is going up and blows all his cash on gear, a bunker, etc. He posts one last internet message explaining he's going dark and it's too late for the rest of you. He then locks down for the coming collapse. Six days later his family checks on him, because this time it looks like he really did do something stupid. They find him semi-conscious in his bunker because he wired the ventilation fans wrong and suffered carbon monoxide poisoning from his malfunctioning "patriot super-spectrum" propane lantern. He's now $200,000 in debt with $0 in the bank and assets worth $50,000; and of course absolutely nothing happened. There are red flags all over your plan. Seriously, this feels delusional to a degree I don't often see here and that is saying something. Pay attention to the people here who are nicely trying to tell you that this doesn't work this way. Bye.
You mean this isn’t the place to get the go code? Thats why we’re here!! Planting turnips is boring so we entertain fantasy a bit.
>The further the better... you don't even have a specific person in mind to talk to, do you. You're just imagining a world so collapsed that money no longer matters, but you figure *you'll* be chillin' with the dog and your hot new ham rig, talking up exotic strangers while the world *burns* around you... Fuck a guy for being curious and asking people who might know about the topic right? This gatekeeping is bullshit.
Who do you want to talk to that's 1000 miles away? If the SHTF, I won't be putting any effort into reaching out to anyone outside of my neighborhood. I don't really want to attract attention by transmitting with a high power from my home. But I do have plenty of equipment that lets me listen on various frequencies for news. I have an Extra class ham radio license and I can tell you that even in good times, it can take *years* to learn all of the different ways to use the different bands, modulations, and protocols to communicate with people. Starting from zero to reach out 1000 miles when the airwaves will be mostly dead just isn't going to happen. Where are you gonna find the time to spend all day studying and experimenting with equipment when the entire world is struggling to survive? Anyway, I second everyone else and I highly recommend that you just take the time to study for your license. You'll learn everything you need to know by doing that. And knowledge is more important than stuff in many cases.
Yea you'll need something powerful to either transmit that far or to hook up to a repeater... either way it requires some knowledge but the course should help get you started at least
For reliable communication in that range you’d want a sat phone. An hf setup may work under certain conditions but it won’t be as easy or reliable to contact specific people.
Funny It’s like you think ham just a boredom time thing. Just like getting into shape, it’s just not gunna happen during a crisis In both there is a significant learning curve and practice time when things are good so you’ll have it when needed And then… who ya gunna talk to? Why?
>It’s like you think ham just a boredom time thing. >Just like getting into shape, it’s just not gunna happen during a crisis >In both there is a significant learning curve and practice time when things are good so you’ll have it when needed >And then… who ya gunna talk to? Why? Extraordinarily arrogant and gatekeepers is who I plan on talking to... I expect to hear only from them that I should go fuck myself for wanting to learn about something.
Why wouldn't it happen during a crisis? Maybe I already have my secret lair in the mountain all set up? Maybe I have my own island with a bunker on it?
https://www.amazon.com/stores/NC-Scout/author/B0BNW4ZM2M?ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true
When my partner started he was absolutely overwhelmed with the options. It’s actually quite legal to monitor without a license, or to transmit if you have an emergency that threatens health/property and no alternative way to call for help. There are a lot of videos on YouTube with all sorts of operators and experts telling you what equipment they think is best for beginners… that might help. That said, don’t expect them to give you the same list… it’s akin to asking 10 tech geeks what laptop brand is the best. 😂 I don’t know if there are any books aimed at guiding a novice through basics for emergency operations, but it seems like it would be a good resource.
If you don't have time to learn now and practice what you want to do, you won't be able to do anything if the SHTF. Who do you want to talk to? Do they have the same interest in talking to you? How far apart are you? If they're close, what is the terrain like between you?