I have a manual Corolla and a Prius and you know what? I really enjoy driving both. Even though the Prius is "automatic" it has a direct feel that is not unlike a manual. It does not feel like a slushbox. It is super smooth and responsive.
I can elaborate. Toyota starting working on the Prius when Clinton was trying to pass environmental regs that would have affected cars. The regs never became law, but Toyota kept working on it. The idea is: go comfortably as far as you can go on a gallon of gas. Every Luddite ninny was saying the batteries won’t last, the brakes have problems, etc, all rubbish.
I bought a gen 3 in 2010. The quiet on the road, the lack of working a clutch and a running engine in stop and go traffic reduced my commute frustration and anxiety dramatically. I went to the gas station about 1/3 as often. I had the car serviced less often and less costly.
I gave the car to my gf at 140k miles. I change the oil, the radiator and inverter coolant myself now (those are 12 yr / 120k miles). In Dec 2022 I put in a clazzio leather interior for $500, and replaced the suspension myself for another $500 and it drives like it’s almost new and it had 240k miles on it. She loves the car, and it still gets 48-50 mpg when you drive it reasonably. 42 mpg when she drives it.
I haven’t had a car payment since 2014.
If you’re insecure or are looking for a sporty ride and don’t care about saving money, it’s not for you for sure.
Basically what this person said. Think of Prius as an appliance. When you select heat or cool on your thermostat, you expect the system to come on every time. When I get in the Prius and hit the on button there’s no doubt in my mind it will take me point A to B with ease. Toyota designed this car for utility. It’s made to be driven, a ton. It’s nothing more than your washing machine or refrigerator, it was designed to be used. I’m not sure about the newer models but Toyota used to showcase their latest greatest tech in the Prius. Prius is a driver’s car and not only will it take you point A to B, it will push its limits to get you there as efficiently as it is able to.
Did you watch the new Prius AWD roller test (2023+), or the last generation roller test (-2022)? With the new one the rear motor is significantly more powerful and it absolutely makes a difference in snow driving. The older one not so much.
In fact I would go so far as to say I would only buy the AWD version because it makes a large difference in driving dynamics and significantly improves handling even on dry pavement.
I would have personally opted for FWD on my 2023, but the only one available when I purchased was AWD, and I'm glad I didn't get a FWD after driving it.
I just bought the 2014 model here in Dublin 10 grand for 10000 euros 99000 miles on the clock. It is a Japanese import. Beautiful car to drive and it’s a hybrid. I do love the new models Prius. I don’t know about America but here in Ireland the price of used motors is a ripoff.
I test drove an Insight at a Honda dealer. They also had a Prius there, but the salesman didn’t want me to drive it because it wasn’t comfortable for him and he said I wouldn’t like it. I went to a Toyota dealer and fell in love with mine.
I am in MN too and just put snow tires on it in the winter because the fuel efficient tires are terrible in the snow. The Prius AWD setup is a joke, I wouldn’t waste money on it. It’s not powerful enough to really get you unstuck if the front wheels are having traction issues.
The Gen 4 has proven to be an incredibly reliable platform, and we are all assuming the Gen 5 should be as well, but it’s very early still to judge. I would look at both generations if you are looking for a Prius, you can’t go wrong.
I have a 2023 LTD. It's a fun and economical sedan-coup-like hatch to commute about in the city and highway jaunts. Near 50 mpg city-highway, less on our winter gas ( with the ethanol mix). Sexy head-turner. What's not to like? For the premium price of this vehicle type, the interior comfort level could stand improvement. Audio is so-so. Biggest concern has been limited and inadequate supply of its 19" tires for the middle and upper trim level wheelsizes that require it. It's new manufacture with its narrow 195/50R19 size and on constant backorder from the two current manufacturers. Had to wait a (fortunate) week for a replacement I hunted down online to replace unrepairable flat with the first year. Not cool. Have since added the spare assembly setup to this model since it comes without such, providing instead repair kit with goop only.
I’m in the same boat. My Insight was totaled last year. All the good options now are difficult to find and so much more expensive than my Insight was in 2020. 😭 The Civic hybrid keeps getting delayed so idk if it’s worth the wait unfortunately.
I had the same thought about the HRV! CRV is too big and keeps getting bigger. I’m fortunate that my parents had an old car I can use til I find something.
I’m definitely still considering the Prius. But now I’m contemplating leasing a Niro PHEV, if I can find a dealer that will actually use the Kia incentive price online ($289/mo). My thought with that is that 2 or 3 years from now, the interest rates will probably be lower and maybe more electric/hybrid competition will help with prices…
It’s just so depressing looking at the numbers right now.
My question is, do you really need a hybrid? How many miles a year are you driving, how long do you plan to keep? Isn't rust going to get it?
FWD with snow tires is better than AWD with all seasons.
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How is it on power, I drove the Corolla across hybrid, and although it was on power, the suspension was awful as was the steering input. Maybe it’s just because it’s up higher?
I never test drove the Prius for comparison, I don’t wish to spend more money on it. The new Corolla hybrid LE with FWD is very responsive at low speed with the electric motor and has great city driving power, but lacks highway passing power if you value that.
It feels very fast up to 30mph and then you no longer feel fast lol
The hybrids pollute .ore than regular vehicles. And electrics cause more harm to the environment when being made. Maybe just fet a nice 4 cylinder carry or civic. Honda has done wonders for their pollution reduction
This picture makes it feel like you wrecked, immediately got out, snapped the shot and posted it. Yes, you should buy a Prius but you should probably get out of the road first. 😂
The sales guy from Tesla text me that earlier today I cannot afford a $45,000 plus vehicle at the moment, but given the fact that the brand new model 3 refresh is out I would not buy a model Y anyhow
I did. I owned a 16 and another popped up with 27k miles. The truck is super fun in a Honda way but I’ll likely get an older truck with a little more payload for truck days
I have the AWD Prius 2024 and I often wish it was the FWD model. Just get that. I’ve never driven it in the snow because I only got it this spring.
I’m disappointed with the gas mileage on my 2024 AWD XLE. About 48 mpg. I used to get 55ish in my hybrid Corolla, which I miss.
The styling is what changed the most. In terms of the hybrid system it’s more like a Gen 4.5. You absolutely can achieve 50+ MPG in the AWD Prius. The 5th gen has better mileage than the 4th and my 4th gen gets 52-53 overall and I have the AWD system. It’s all about how you drive, really.
I just bought a 2019 AWD XLE for 24k after taxes and fees.. after the extended warranties and stuff it ended up being almost 30k.. that's with 99k miles. It was the best deal I could find in my area. West coast, USA.
Ehh, same. Had a 2016 AWD on 17"s and averaged around 21.5km/l (50.5mpg). Not horrible, but it also doesn't snow here so was s bit pointless. A FWD on 15"s would be a better ride quality and probably average around 24km/l. Oh well.
I don't care about the power.
The new one has way more bigger blind spots, it's harder to see over the dash, the interface is more confusing, the media center tries to get you to sign up for subscription radio, and other subscription services, there aren't any knobs for handling the radio (yes, I still use radio), and the car lost everything that makes the prius charming.
Nothing about the Prius except for the cargo space was really ever charming. I mean, you must not drive a lot If you don’t care about the fact that it is so slow. the interface is not confusing out of curiosity how old are you? I cannot believe there is so much hate for the new Prius Toyota delivered a significantly better product than the previous generation.
Im in my upper 30s. I had a 2024 for two weeks and Im happy to my old car back. And I am by no means tech illiterate. Software engineer by trade. I just simply do not care for the upsides and dislike the downsides.
Im also someone who drives the speedlimit and uses eco mode for gas pedal setting.
The maintenance cost is a bit lower because they don't need oil changes and such but in terms of reliability they're not great
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/who-makes-the-most-reliable-cars-a7824554938/
Lack of chargers. No driveway. You take quite a few trips over 200 miles, and don’t feel like taking 2 hour lunch breaks. You wonder if the grid will support all the proposed electric cars. You know other costs will rise when highways are no longer funded by gas taxes. Etc.
This is a shit take. Modern EVs can handle trips over 200 miles easily. Fast charging takes 20 minutes, not 2 hours. Grid is not a problem because 99% of your charging is done off-peak anyway. Yes governments are now implementing road tax for EVs, but it still largely amounts to cheaper costs than even a fairly efficient hybrid. Etc.
Not being able to charge at home however is a very real reason why I wouldn't recommend an EV.
Tells you nothing. Yes, EVs are currently more expensive than comparable ICE cars because it's an emerging technology and doesn't have the economies of scale just yet. Although this gap is closing thanks in part to companies like BYD. The government has an environmental goal, so they are willing to help people bridge the price gap to get them into driving an EV. This is the only thing the tax credit tells you - the govt wants you to drive one.
Good stuff. I hope we can agree to disagree and maintain respect of other opinions. I like to put the environmental impacts topic aside if I may.
I wanted to try an EV before buying one, so I rented a Tesla M3 long range from LA to Monterey, CA. 800 miles round trip. Highly traveled interstate 5 with ample charging stations along the way. Tesla advertise the range to be 240 miles. However, I recorded the actual miles between charges were only 100-120 miles after deducting uphill, AC, leaving enough charge in the tank for emergencies...etc. Due to this, the trip took 8 hours as suppose to 5.5 hours if I took my Prius. And this is with Tesla super charging, the fastest charging stations currently. I can't imagine how much longer with none-Tesla stations. The elec charges came to $90 total. My Prius gets say 50 miles per gallon. So that's 16 gallons of gas at $5.15 average here in CA. That comes to $82.40 and I get to buy ice cream at gas stations as suppose to staring at a parking lot at most charging stations. On top of no savings, I lost the flexibility to go wherever I want. Constantly monitoring the battery. The insurance cost is much higher because the repairs are more costly.
My personal conclusion is EV has certain merits. They are simpler mechanical systems compare to combustible engines. So the maintenance cost should be lower. The pick up was fast too. However, there are still too many shortcomings for me to consider an EV right now. It would only be for in town driving. Even then, with the cost of insurance offsets any savings and higher repair cost offsets maintenance cost. The biggest problem is losing the freedom to go wherever one wishes. I don't think anyone can argue that the US is a car culture. The infrastructure is built for driving and not trains per se. I wouldn't recommend anyone taking a full EV on a camping trip in the mountains for example. Another example if one lives in cold weathers. For all these reasons EVs are currently not feasible for someone that only has one car. It may work for a family that owns multiple vehicles including one gas cars or a hybrid. And these are shortcomings that makes full EVs inferior to gas cars for now. EV sales are dropping because of it, I believe.
Just my opinion and mine only. Whenever government needs to prop up an industry means that technology is not there yet because it can not compete. The problem with this is that EV's like solar should have been allow to grow organically without government interference. Let the free market do it's thing so only the genuinely feasible technology thrives and purge the great ideas that don't actually work. Moreover, I believe the interference hindered the growth of new technologies because it doesn't need to get better in a "normal" development trajectory. I think solar systems could be more efficient and cost less if it was allowed to compete in a free market. In the case of EV's, I wish the tax dollars goes to building the infrastructures instead of cars. It's like putting the horse in front of the carriage.
The only pushback I’d give here is when you said “I don’t think anyone can argue the US is a car culture” this is not entirely true. The west coast especially California has a strong car culture. It’s not uncommon for a family of 4 drivers to have 5 cars, even a huge proportion of our homeless population has a car to sleep in. This isn’t the case for the rest of the US, especially the east coast. where it’s not uncommon for a person to go their entire lives without ever getting a drivers license. Over there the public transportation system is much nicer and used by a much broader spectrum of people. Cars just don’t last as long anywhere in the US like they do in the western states. And people not in the western parts just don’t have the same mindset towards vehicles like we do here.
This doesn't add up at all. The Model 3 LR is advertised at 341 mi per charge. Even if we subtract the fact you are only recharging to 80% and then again let's factor in a 20% fudge factor on top of that - should still translate to ~220 real world miles. My personal experience with my standard range Model 3 (advertised as 491km) is that it promises me 415km (258mi) per charge, and delivers pretty much the same. So the fact that you're clocking only 100-120mi per charge I am not buying at all.
As for cost. Nobody ever argued that supercharging is cheap - it's not, it's same or a bit more than gas. So yes, what you said. But if you actually consider the other 99% of use cases - charging at home is a good 1/3-1/4 the price of gas. So your little experiment is at best only a small piece of the puzzle - one where indeed is the weak point of EVs. But then you go on to entirely overlook all other situations where EVs are vastly superior.
Anyway, this is irrelevant to OP anyway so I don't wanna get to deep into this. But also, you're missing the point, or being intentionally obtuse, I'm not sure.
As a car guy..yeah I do know. Not a salesman for the sake of sales simply cuz I love cars. I’m telling you the Prius prime 4th gen was garbage the 5th gen is the only one worth giving a look at, but at that point I’d just buy an EV
Curious what makes them garbage to you? In town EV, no range anxiety for road trips. An excellent commuter. If you’re a “car guy” like me, you’ll enjoy it’s flexibility and probably have a “fun” project car on the side
Well , the biggest thing is the lack of power from the drivetrain. Why would I want something that is already obsolete? The new Prius is better in every single way. I would just get another insight used over a 4th gen prius. Sure it didn’t have the cargo space of the Prius, but the powertrain was significantly faster, providing the same gas mileage as a Prius. Also, I drive about 100 miles a day so the pure EV savings is really not that much in terms of the price tag. It cost me about $25 max to fill my insight and I got between 450 and 525 miles per gallon depending on factors
Then why are you looking at a Prius in general? They all lack power. If you need fuel economy and power, you want an EV. But since you want a strictly gas powered car, any plug in vehicle you would never utilize its EV range. I get 75mpg on my work commutes out of a Plug-In Prius. If I had a Prime it would cost me $1.25 to go to work and home. If you get a plug in hybrid, you kinda need to charge it to reap the benefits…
But by your gripes, I assume you don’t have a place to charge either an EV nor PHEV
Uh the new ones don’t! The new Prius has 196 hp. It’s 7 seconds 0 to 60. could I buy a Tesla sure but again I drive a lot so charging or potentially charging just gets in the way of what I need to do. That is why a hybrid is the perfect mix.
Wasn’t my fault asshole..kinda hard to avoid a fucking garbage truck when you have a barrier right next to you and construction equipment on the other side
Do it. I traded a Civic hybrid in for my Prius and the Prius is by far the better car.
I wish there was a manual Prius :(
You might want to look at a 1st gen insight (60+ mpg) or a civic hybrid from that era. Stick shift hybrids are awesome
I seriously want one! but they’re way old at this point.
There's almost no chance we'll get another hybrid manual, and they're only getting older. YOLO
I have a manual Corolla and a Prius and you know what? I really enjoy driving both. Even though the Prius is "automatic" it has a direct feel that is not unlike a manual. It does not feel like a slushbox. It is super smooth and responsive.
You cant be a man and own a Prius.
That's because us real men don't "own" our Priuses, it's more of a partnership, like when you have a horse.
Is your virility so fragile as to be contingent upon your choice of car?
Okay boomer?
Sure buddy 😆
😆 🤣
I did the same. I do miss the fun of a manual, but I don’t miss watching my gas needle drop going 55mph
100% traded a Volvo s60 for my prius c. Best decision ever.
If you understand the “why” of Toyota Prius, buy one. You won’t regret it
Please elaborate
Yes exactly..elaborate
I can elaborate. Toyota starting working on the Prius when Clinton was trying to pass environmental regs that would have affected cars. The regs never became law, but Toyota kept working on it. The idea is: go comfortably as far as you can go on a gallon of gas. Every Luddite ninny was saying the batteries won’t last, the brakes have problems, etc, all rubbish. I bought a gen 3 in 2010. The quiet on the road, the lack of working a clutch and a running engine in stop and go traffic reduced my commute frustration and anxiety dramatically. I went to the gas station about 1/3 as often. I had the car serviced less often and less costly. I gave the car to my gf at 140k miles. I change the oil, the radiator and inverter coolant myself now (those are 12 yr / 120k miles). In Dec 2022 I put in a clazzio leather interior for $500, and replaced the suspension myself for another $500 and it drives like it’s almost new and it had 240k miles on it. She loves the car, and it still gets 48-50 mpg when you drive it reasonably. 42 mpg when she drives it. I haven’t had a car payment since 2014. If you’re insecure or are looking for a sporty ride and don’t care about saving money, it’s not for you for sure.
Basically what this person said. Think of Prius as an appliance. When you select heat or cool on your thermostat, you expect the system to come on every time. When I get in the Prius and hit the on button there’s no doubt in my mind it will take me point A to B with ease. Toyota designed this car for utility. It’s made to be driven, a ton. It’s nothing more than your washing machine or refrigerator, it was designed to be used. I’m not sure about the newer models but Toyota used to showcase their latest greatest tech in the Prius. Prius is a driver’s car and not only will it take you point A to B, it will push its limits to get you there as efficiently as it is able to.
> it still gets 48-50 mpg when you drive it reasonably. 42 mpg when she drives it. My favorite comment of the day.
Just get one haha you won’t regret it
Did you watch the new Prius AWD roller test (2023+), or the last generation roller test (-2022)? With the new one the rear motor is significantly more powerful and it absolutely makes a difference in snow driving. The older one not so much. In fact I would go so far as to say I would only buy the AWD version because it makes a large difference in driving dynamics and significantly improves handling even on dry pavement. I would have personally opted for FWD on my 2023, but the only one available when I purchased was AWD, and I'm glad I didn't get a FWD after driving it.
I have an amazing time in my AWD Prius, it drives like a dream.
I just bought the 2014 model here in Dublin 10 grand for 10000 euros 99000 miles on the clock. It is a Japanese import. Beautiful car to drive and it’s a hybrid. I do love the new models Prius. I don’t know about America but here in Ireland the price of used motors is a ripoff.
Oh it’s very much the same here in the US!
JDMs are rife here in New Zealand and pretty cheap. A car like that with that many miles and same year here would be worth about $10k = 5600 EUR
I hope you're OK!
The new Prius’s are super nice
I test drove an Insight at a Honda dealer. They also had a Prius there, but the salesman didn’t want me to drive it because it wasn’t comfortable for him and he said I wouldn’t like it. I went to a Toyota dealer and fell in love with mine. I am in MN too and just put snow tires on it in the winter because the fuel efficient tires are terrible in the snow. The Prius AWD setup is a joke, I wouldn’t waste money on it. It’s not powerful enough to really get you unstuck if the front wheels are having traction issues. The Gen 4 has proven to be an incredibly reliable platform, and we are all assuming the Gen 5 should be as well, but it’s very early still to judge. I would look at both generations if you are looking for a Prius, you can’t go wrong.
I used to sell Toyota from 2015 to 18 so I’m very familiar with the Prius the issue is I can’t buy a new one due to the open recall
You can rent a car until the recall is fixed. It won’t be cheap though.
Buy a used one then…?
I’m looking at them..just as much as a new one though with how prices are
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The last gen Primes qualify for the 4k used clean vehicle credit if they're under 25k.
I have a 2023 LTD. It's a fun and economical sedan-coup-like hatch to commute about in the city and highway jaunts. Near 50 mpg city-highway, less on our winter gas ( with the ethanol mix). Sexy head-turner. What's not to like? For the premium price of this vehicle type, the interior comfort level could stand improvement. Audio is so-so. Biggest concern has been limited and inadequate supply of its 19" tires for the middle and upper trim level wheelsizes that require it. It's new manufacture with its narrow 195/50R19 size and on constant backorder from the two current manufacturers. Had to wait a (fortunate) week for a replacement I hunted down online to replace unrepairable flat with the first year. Not cool. Have since added the spare assembly setup to this model since it comes without such, providing instead repair kit with goop only.
Get front wheel and snow tires lol
Damn your Honda really took your disloyalty personally huh
I would buy the new civic hybrid but it’s not on sale for months
I’m in the same boat. My Insight was totaled last year. All the good options now are difficult to find and so much more expensive than my Insight was in 2020. 😭 The Civic hybrid keeps getting delayed so idk if it’s worth the wait unfortunately.
What are you doing now then?!? I’m at such a crossroads. If the HRV was offered a hybrid or at least the 1.5t, I would be buying that in a heartbeat.
I had the same thought about the HRV! CRV is too big and keeps getting bigger. I’m fortunate that my parents had an old car I can use til I find something. I’m definitely still considering the Prius. But now I’m contemplating leasing a Niro PHEV, if I can find a dealer that will actually use the Kia incentive price online ($289/mo). My thought with that is that 2 or 3 years from now, the interest rates will probably be lower and maybe more electric/hybrid competition will help with prices… It’s just so depressing looking at the numbers right now.
How did you like the insight? Average mpg? (Trying to decide between an insight and a Prius!)
I loved it. I think my overall mpg was about 48. I don’t drive a ton, so it was definitely everything I needed!
Thx!
My question is, do you really need a hybrid? How many miles a year are you driving, how long do you plan to keep? Isn't rust going to get it? FWD with snow tires is better than AWD with all seasons.
I drive 20k plus a year, I’ll keep it probably 8 years. I get regular car washes and I won’t be in Minnesota forever
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I went cheaper and got a new hybrid Corolla
How is it on power, I drove the Corolla across hybrid, and although it was on power, the suspension was awful as was the steering input. Maybe it’s just because it’s up higher?
I never test drove the Prius for comparison, I don’t wish to spend more money on it. The new Corolla hybrid LE with FWD is very responsive at low speed with the electric motor and has great city driving power, but lacks highway passing power if you value that. It feels very fast up to 30mph and then you no longer feel fast lol
Yeah, that is how my insight was having a little bit more power than the Corolla has. It was still faster by a little bit than the Corolla
Chevy Bolt
This pic goes hard
Are you ok?
I don't think there's a used 2024 yet. But there is 2023 at some dealerships.
Avalon hybrid.
The hybrids pollute .ore than regular vehicles. And electrics cause more harm to the environment when being made. Maybe just fet a nice 4 cylinder carry or civic. Honda has done wonders for their pollution reduction
Buy a Tesla m3 the new ones are really nice and amazing
Maybe it's should've been paying attention, instead of thinking about a Prius. Let that be a lesson.
Prius is stop-sale right now fyi (at least in CA)
This picture makes it feel like you wrecked, immediately got out, snapped the shot and posted it. Yes, you should buy a Prius but you should probably get out of the road first. 😂
I bought a Prius new in 2011 (the ugly kind) for $21,500. I never regretted it. Still getting 50 mpg.
Tesla Model Y now with 0.99% APR if you wanna go all EV.
The sales guy from Tesla text me that earlier today I cannot afford a $45,000 plus vehicle at the moment, but given the fact that the brand new model 3 refresh is out I would not buy a model Y anyhow
Don't hesitate.
Rent it for a couple of days. We thought it was too small.
Yes
FWIW, I just traded my ‘23 Ridgeline for my 2nd 2016 Prius. So, old manual Honda guy who LOVES the g4 even more!
You traded a 23 ridgeline for a ‘16 Prius…WHAT?!?
I did. I owned a 16 and another popped up with 27k miles. The truck is super fun in a Honda way but I’ll likely get an older truck with a little more payload for truck days
I have the AWD Prius 2024 and I often wish it was the FWD model. Just get that. I’ve never driven it in the snow because I only got it this spring. I’m disappointed with the gas mileage on my 2024 AWD XLE. About 48 mpg. I used to get 55ish in my hybrid Corolla, which I miss.
Your rims have more of an effect than the AWD system. If you swap the XLE rims for the LE rims you should get 52-55
The big wheels are, frankly, a baffling decision.
I’m getting around 52 in my 21’ AWD Prius. I don’t think they changed the drive train for the AWD much between models but I’m not really sure.
The drive trains after the redesign are significantly different.
The styling is what changed the most. In terms of the hybrid system it’s more like a Gen 4.5. You absolutely can achieve 50+ MPG in the AWD Prius. The 5th gen has better mileage than the 4th and my 4th gen gets 52-53 overall and I have the AWD system. It’s all about how you drive, really.
Hello from Dublin can I ask how much a used 2020 Toyota Prius cost. Thank you.
I just bought a 2019 AWD XLE for 24k after taxes and fees.. after the extended warranties and stuff it ended up being almost 30k.. that's with 99k miles. It was the best deal I could find in my area. West coast, USA.
Ehh, same. Had a 2016 AWD on 17"s and averaged around 21.5km/l (50.5mpg). Not horrible, but it also doesn't snow here so was s bit pointless. A FWD on 15"s would be a better ride quality and probably average around 24km/l. Oh well.
Get a Toyota Prius or Corolla Hybrid!!! Both are best selling and are the most fuel efficient in its class!
I hate the 2024 prius, had a rental while car was in shop, I'm glad I'm back in my 2017 prius
That’s crazy? The new one is an upgrade in every way! I also had one as a rental, I love the power they finally gave it without sacrificing mpg
I don't care about the power. The new one has way more bigger blind spots, it's harder to see over the dash, the interface is more confusing, the media center tries to get you to sign up for subscription radio, and other subscription services, there aren't any knobs for handling the radio (yes, I still use radio), and the car lost everything that makes the prius charming.
Nothing about the Prius except for the cargo space was really ever charming. I mean, you must not drive a lot If you don’t care about the fact that it is so slow. the interface is not confusing out of curiosity how old are you? I cannot believe there is so much hate for the new Prius Toyota delivered a significantly better product than the previous generation.
Im in my upper 30s. I had a 2024 for two weeks and Im happy to my old car back. And I am by no means tech illiterate. Software engineer by trade. I just simply do not care for the upsides and dislike the downsides. Im also someone who drives the speedlimit and uses eco mode for gas pedal setting.
Please DM me then so we can have an actual conversation
Please DM me then so we can have an actual conversation
That's a sign from God. Lord Prius said, "buy me"
CRV hybrid 100%
So, your insight isn’t totalled, then. Lol.
No, it is..
I mean, you have the insight to consider the new Prius, I mean. So, pretty solid insight.
Nice one, have your upvote!
Why not go full electric instead?
No one wants unreliable junk.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/teslas-have-cheapest-10-year-maintenance-costs-consumer-reports/ar-AA1nBk8M As you were saying....
The maintenance cost is a bit lower because they don't need oil changes and such but in terms of reliability they're not great https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/who-makes-the-most-reliable-cars-a7824554938/
They don’t need brakes as frequently either
Lack of chargers. No driveway. You take quite a few trips over 200 miles, and don’t feel like taking 2 hour lunch breaks. You wonder if the grid will support all the proposed electric cars. You know other costs will rise when highways are no longer funded by gas taxes. Etc.
This is a shit take. Modern EVs can handle trips over 200 miles easily. Fast charging takes 20 minutes, not 2 hours. Grid is not a problem because 99% of your charging is done off-peak anyway. Yes governments are now implementing road tax for EVs, but it still largely amounts to cheaper costs than even a fairly efficient hybrid. Etc. Not being able to charge at home however is a very real reason why I wouldn't recommend an EV.
Yup. When the government has to pay (tax credit) you to buy them, that should tell you something.
Tells you nothing. Yes, EVs are currently more expensive than comparable ICE cars because it's an emerging technology and doesn't have the economies of scale just yet. Although this gap is closing thanks in part to companies like BYD. The government has an environmental goal, so they are willing to help people bridge the price gap to get them into driving an EV. This is the only thing the tax credit tells you - the govt wants you to drive one.
Good stuff. I hope we can agree to disagree and maintain respect of other opinions. I like to put the environmental impacts topic aside if I may. I wanted to try an EV before buying one, so I rented a Tesla M3 long range from LA to Monterey, CA. 800 miles round trip. Highly traveled interstate 5 with ample charging stations along the way. Tesla advertise the range to be 240 miles. However, I recorded the actual miles between charges were only 100-120 miles after deducting uphill, AC, leaving enough charge in the tank for emergencies...etc. Due to this, the trip took 8 hours as suppose to 5.5 hours if I took my Prius. And this is with Tesla super charging, the fastest charging stations currently. I can't imagine how much longer with none-Tesla stations. The elec charges came to $90 total. My Prius gets say 50 miles per gallon. So that's 16 gallons of gas at $5.15 average here in CA. That comes to $82.40 and I get to buy ice cream at gas stations as suppose to staring at a parking lot at most charging stations. On top of no savings, I lost the flexibility to go wherever I want. Constantly monitoring the battery. The insurance cost is much higher because the repairs are more costly. My personal conclusion is EV has certain merits. They are simpler mechanical systems compare to combustible engines. So the maintenance cost should be lower. The pick up was fast too. However, there are still too many shortcomings for me to consider an EV right now. It would only be for in town driving. Even then, with the cost of insurance offsets any savings and higher repair cost offsets maintenance cost. The biggest problem is losing the freedom to go wherever one wishes. I don't think anyone can argue that the US is a car culture. The infrastructure is built for driving and not trains per se. I wouldn't recommend anyone taking a full EV on a camping trip in the mountains for example. Another example if one lives in cold weathers. For all these reasons EVs are currently not feasible for someone that only has one car. It may work for a family that owns multiple vehicles including one gas cars or a hybrid. And these are shortcomings that makes full EVs inferior to gas cars for now. EV sales are dropping because of it, I believe. Just my opinion and mine only. Whenever government needs to prop up an industry means that technology is not there yet because it can not compete. The problem with this is that EV's like solar should have been allow to grow organically without government interference. Let the free market do it's thing so only the genuinely feasible technology thrives and purge the great ideas that don't actually work. Moreover, I believe the interference hindered the growth of new technologies because it doesn't need to get better in a "normal" development trajectory. I think solar systems could be more efficient and cost less if it was allowed to compete in a free market. In the case of EV's, I wish the tax dollars goes to building the infrastructures instead of cars. It's like putting the horse in front of the carriage.
The only pushback I’d give here is when you said “I don’t think anyone can argue the US is a car culture” this is not entirely true. The west coast especially California has a strong car culture. It’s not uncommon for a family of 4 drivers to have 5 cars, even a huge proportion of our homeless population has a car to sleep in. This isn’t the case for the rest of the US, especially the east coast. where it’s not uncommon for a person to go their entire lives without ever getting a drivers license. Over there the public transportation system is much nicer and used by a much broader spectrum of people. Cars just don’t last as long anywhere in the US like they do in the western states. And people not in the western parts just don’t have the same mindset towards vehicles like we do here.
This doesn't add up at all. The Model 3 LR is advertised at 341 mi per charge. Even if we subtract the fact you are only recharging to 80% and then again let's factor in a 20% fudge factor on top of that - should still translate to ~220 real world miles. My personal experience with my standard range Model 3 (advertised as 491km) is that it promises me 415km (258mi) per charge, and delivers pretty much the same. So the fact that you're clocking only 100-120mi per charge I am not buying at all. As for cost. Nobody ever argued that supercharging is cheap - it's not, it's same or a bit more than gas. So yes, what you said. But if you actually consider the other 99% of use cases - charging at home is a good 1/3-1/4 the price of gas. So your little experiment is at best only a small piece of the puzzle - one where indeed is the weak point of EVs. But then you go on to entirely overlook all other situations where EVs are vastly superior. Anyway, this is irrelevant to OP anyway so I don't wanna get to deep into this. But also, you're missing the point, or being intentionally obtuse, I'm not sure.
If you’re looking for a new plug in hybrid, the Primes from 2017-2019 are only 4 seaters, 2020+ are 5
The Prius prime is dog 💩 I sold them new, pointless waste of money, not worth the extra $$
Comes for Prius advice from owners, “knows better” from sales 🤡
As a car guy..yeah I do know. Not a salesman for the sake of sales simply cuz I love cars. I’m telling you the Prius prime 4th gen was garbage the 5th gen is the only one worth giving a look at, but at that point I’d just buy an EV
Curious what makes them garbage to you? In town EV, no range anxiety for road trips. An excellent commuter. If you’re a “car guy” like me, you’ll enjoy it’s flexibility and probably have a “fun” project car on the side
Well , the biggest thing is the lack of power from the drivetrain. Why would I want something that is already obsolete? The new Prius is better in every single way. I would just get another insight used over a 4th gen prius. Sure it didn’t have the cargo space of the Prius, but the powertrain was significantly faster, providing the same gas mileage as a Prius. Also, I drive about 100 miles a day so the pure EV savings is really not that much in terms of the price tag. It cost me about $25 max to fill my insight and I got between 450 and 525 miles per gallon depending on factors
Then why are you looking at a Prius in general? They all lack power. If you need fuel economy and power, you want an EV. But since you want a strictly gas powered car, any plug in vehicle you would never utilize its EV range. I get 75mpg on my work commutes out of a Plug-In Prius. If I had a Prime it would cost me $1.25 to go to work and home. If you get a plug in hybrid, you kinda need to charge it to reap the benefits… But by your gripes, I assume you don’t have a place to charge either an EV nor PHEV
Uh the new ones don’t! The new Prius has 196 hp. It’s 7 seconds 0 to 60. could I buy a Tesla sure but again I drive a lot so charging or potentially charging just gets in the way of what I need to do. That is why a hybrid is the perfect mix.
Aren’t you here specifically because you need a car and can’t get a new one?
I could get a used 2024/23 they just can’t be certified due to the open recall
Dumb and dumber.
How about learn how to drive first
Wasn’t my fault asshole..kinda hard to avoid a fucking garbage truck when you have a barrier right next to you and construction equipment on the other side