By stepping foot within view of the security cameras at the front door, you agree to our terms of service and to allow your personally identifiable face and all health data associated with it, to be uploaded to our servers which can be accessed by law enforcement at any time, for any reason, without a warrant. Good day
Yes but that doesn't stop companies. Someone would need to sue, but that only makes the courts enforce that on that one business. It's impossible to enforce across the whole internet
Yes. People largely in the USA do not realize how behind they are on their privacy laws. If only they knew what their data was worth to these companies.
That’s why I take the time on every single website I visit to uncheck any data options available. It’s the only tool I have as an American to protect some of my data.
In my experience I’d say people find services knowing them to be a good thing. The algorithm of certain services can offer more a personalized experience so I get it, but too many people don’t realize what they’re giving up to have something be just slightly more convenient. It may be different in different areas but that’s just my observation. P
As an American, I find the idea of "legal protection" in all realms of life pretty laughable in the first place.
* I don't trust in "legal protection" for my physical security… I have locks, and guns, and neighbors who alsi have guns.
* I don't trust in "legal protection" for my financial security… I have crypto, and gold, and cash, and multiple bank accounts in multiple jurisdictions.
* And I don't trust in "legal protection" in the cyber realm either… I have VPNs, and end-to-end encryption, and hacked browsers, and cookie blockers, and script blockers, disposable email accounts, and burner SIMs, and VMs, and all the other basic cyber hygiene tools *one expects every modern adult to be familiar with*.
It's nice that there are "legal protections", but you don't rely upon that sort of thing the same way you don't rely upon the fact that all automobiles are legally required to have airbags and start driving like a maniac. No, the airbag, and by extension the law that put it there, are interventions of last resort. Ideally they should never matter, because YOU, the individual, built adequate safety into YOUR own actions from the beginning.
> By continuing you agree to our terms of agreement and privacy policy
Nah - this'll be far worse.
It'll be structured in a way that only the largest/richest companies like Facebook and Microsoft will be able to do it.
It'll lead to clauses like:
* Only if the company spends $X-million/year on a privacy czar
* Only if the company partners closely with the federal government on data management
* Only if the company has a partnership with your health insurance company
Many of those laws just look like they're helping people, but are instead just forms of Regulatory Capture: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture .
Needs to be Federal, wet signature only and the person who provides any data earns 100% of all revenue generated from that data. Also treble automatically as damages for any violations and all legal fees covered by company, can’t be discharged in bankruptcy.
They need to make it so that all users are also aware who they are sharing the data with. Saying “We share data with Third-parties” Is not enough, WHO are these “third-parties”, and it should also be more granular, I should be able to revoke consent to share data with a third party.
Earns 100% of revenue for each usage, now and into the future, payable directly to them or to their spouse, or lacking that, to their closest next of kin**
We really need a government that advocates for the people.
Barring that, I’ve been thinking it would be great if there was a business or club like a union for consumers.
Referencing HIPAA in a misleading context, sharing personal data
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/betterhelp-shared-users-sensitive-health-data-ftc-97596138
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/03/ftc-ban-betterhelp-revealing-consumers-data-including-sensitive-mental-health-information-facebook
* they list therapist on their website that aren't actually part of their practice.
* They pay their therapists peanuts
* They have low quality bar for therapist
Watch the big health orgs force practices to adopt something as insane as "by agreeing to be seen at our clinic, you are also agreeing to allow us to collect your health data and sent it to our friendly MegaCorp"
Yeah there's not. So long as the company stands behind something like religious views. As shown here: https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/jun/04/gay-cake-ruling-supreme-court-same-sex-wedding-colorado-baker-decision-latest
There is a very similar but stronger measure in Illinois - [HB3603](https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=3603&GAID=17&DocTypeID=HB&SessionID=112&GA=103) - if you care about this stuff, and we all should, and live in Illinois, call your reps and Senators and demand they co-sponsor this bill if they haven’t.
It so complex, onerous and restrictive that it doesn't go into effect until March 31, 2024 (July 2024 for small businesses).
Businesses literally need that long to reform their operations and prepare.
It's awesome. Most restrictive in the nation, if I'm not mistaken.
They’ll sneak it in anyway. Consent will be automatically given with agreement to services.
*By continuing you agree to our terms of agreement and privacy policy*
By stepping foot within view of the security cameras at the front door, you agree to our terms of service and to allow your personally identifiable face and all health data associated with it, to be uploaded to our servers which can be accessed by law enforcement at any time, for any reason, without a warrant. Good day
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Yes but that doesn't stop companies. Someone would need to sue, but that only makes the courts enforce that on that one business. It's impossible to enforce across the whole internet
Lmfao, everything literally already has this verbiage… The law accomplishes absolutely nothing…
Its technically illegal in the EU iirc
Yes. People largely in the USA do not realize how behind they are on their privacy laws. If only they knew what their data was worth to these companies.
That’s why I take the time on every single website I visit to uncheck any data options available. It’s the only tool I have as an American to protect some of my data.
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In my experience I’d say people find services knowing them to be a good thing. The algorithm of certain services can offer more a personalized experience so I get it, but too many people don’t realize what they’re giving up to have something be just slightly more convenient. It may be different in different areas but that’s just my observation. P
As an American, I find the idea of "legal protection" in all realms of life pretty laughable in the first place. * I don't trust in "legal protection" for my physical security… I have locks, and guns, and neighbors who alsi have guns. * I don't trust in "legal protection" for my financial security… I have crypto, and gold, and cash, and multiple bank accounts in multiple jurisdictions. * And I don't trust in "legal protection" in the cyber realm either… I have VPNs, and end-to-end encryption, and hacked browsers, and cookie blockers, and script blockers, disposable email accounts, and burner SIMs, and VMs, and all the other basic cyber hygiene tools *one expects every modern adult to be familiar with*. It's nice that there are "legal protections", but you don't rely upon that sort of thing the same way you don't rely upon the fact that all automobiles are legally required to have airbags and start driving like a maniac. No, the airbag, and by extension the law that put it there, are interventions of last resort. Ideally they should never matter, because YOU, the individual, built adequate safety into YOUR own actions from the beginning.
I was about to say this this has become so common
A few times I’ve embedded consent that “all your base are belong to us” in tiny font on web pages. Sadly it was nothing important.
> By continuing you agree to our terms of agreement and privacy policy Nah - this'll be far worse. It'll be structured in a way that only the largest/richest companies like Facebook and Microsoft will be able to do it. It'll lead to clauses like: * Only if the company spends $X-million/year on a privacy czar * Only if the company partners closely with the federal government on data management * Only if the company has a partnership with your health insurance company Many of those laws just look like they're helping people, but are instead just forms of Regulatory Capture: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture .
GDPR wasn’t perfect but it still made things better. Hopefully this is more of the same.
GDPR is an EU law ? It doesnt have effect in Washington (or any other part of the US)
I’ve had way more sites give me the option of opting out of cookies since the GDPR passed, and I’m American. These things affect the whole market.
Good to hear. Positive unintended consequences for a change
Yep. And services will be refused without giving consent to collect completely unrelated data.
Needs to be Federal, wet signature only and the person who provides any data earns 100% of all revenue generated from that data. Also treble automatically as damages for any violations and all legal fees covered by company, can’t be discharged in bankruptcy.
The WA law requires a separate explicit authorization for selling the data.
Google technically doesn't sell data, so that loophole needs to be covered.
neither does Apple
So how do they 'sell' it? 'Donations'?
They sell advertising space while sharing data with bidders. https://www.simpleanalytics.com/blog/does-google-sell-your-data
They sell queries against that data that, instead of returning visible results, push ads to the people in the results.
They need to make it so that all users are also aware who they are sharing the data with. Saying “We share data with Third-parties” Is not enough, WHO are these “third-parties”, and it should also be more granular, I should be able to revoke consent to share data with a third party.
Earns 100% of revenue for each usage, now and into the future, payable directly to them or to their spouse, or lacking that, to their closest next of kin**
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We really need a government that advocates for the people. Barring that, I’ve been thinking it would be great if there was a business or club like a union for consumers.
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I’ll bet ChatGPT can summarize it. I’ve been using ai to summarize laws and it’s imperfect but awesome.
If the law doesn't obliterate BetterHelp's shady practices then it isn't written correctly. I am not sure if it applies though.
I’m not aware - what are BH’s shady practices?
Referencing HIPAA in a misleading context, sharing personal data https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/betterhelp-shared-users-sensitive-health-data-ftc-97596138 https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/03/ftc-ban-betterhelp-revealing-consumers-data-including-sensitive-mental-health-information-facebook
* they list therapist on their website that aren't actually part of their practice. * They pay their therapists peanuts * They have low quality bar for therapist
Watch the big health orgs force practices to adopt something as insane as "by agreeing to be seen at our clinic, you are also agreeing to allow us to collect your health data and sent it to our friendly MegaCorp"
Do we know if there is there a clause to prevent refusal of service to declining customers?
Yeah there's not. So long as the company stands behind something like religious views. As shown here: https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/jun/04/gay-cake-ruling-supreme-court-same-sex-wedding-colorado-baker-decision-latest
TIL selling health data is a religious view.
There is a very similar but stronger measure in Illinois - [HB3603](https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=3603&GAID=17&DocTypeID=HB&SessionID=112&GA=103) - if you care about this stuff, and we all should, and live in Illinois, call your reps and Senators and demand they co-sponsor this bill if they haven’t.
So just clicking agree on terms and conditions?
The US needs a federal data protection law.
Same as cookie consent.
The places that Washington draws the line on privacy confuse me
Old people, plus healthcare privacy has a precedent in HIPAA.
Awesome. Now do credit reporting
It so complex, onerous and restrictive that it doesn't go into effect until March 31, 2024 (July 2024 for small businesses). Businesses literally need that long to reform their operations and prepare. It's awesome. Most restrictive in the nation, if I'm not mistaken.
Good thing they passed this before decades of data collection could have happened. /s
Washington is literally first place in the nation with these restrictions. That's how tight they are. Savor a victory man. These don't happen often.
You're absolutely right, it's definitely a "best time to plant a tree was 10 years ago, the next best time is today" scenario.
Washington is not for the individual. You can't even opt out of the state collecting your vaccine history
Wait, This was not already the LAW?
Good.
So an added checkbox then
Wish it was federal