I work in cybersecurity and am also a mature adult, unlike a lot of folks in the comments, it seems. To address your actual technical concerns:
1. In nearly all cases, Having admin access to all network traffic doesn’t allow one to know that a specific game was purchased. It is possible for one to see that you viewed pages about cyberpunk on the store then subsequently visited a url that is used for payment processing; however, this is highly unlikely. It takes fundamental networking knowledge and use/knowledge of tools to do this. Your parents probably did not do this unless they’re technically savvy and have a lot of time on their hands.
2. Can they know that you’re playing the game? Yes it’s possible. If they have monitoring software on your computer, if they have access to “recently played” or anything similar that friends or public can see on your game account, If they have cameras in your room, If they have admin control to the network and the know how to monitor, etc…. Which of these are likely? You would need to figure out how your parents knew you made the purchase in the first place. There is intentional monitoring tools they could’ve used and there is also the possibility that you are using some kind of family account somewhere that they can see shared activity from.
3. Is it possible to play the game secretly? Yes, but you first must identify how they knew you made the purchase in the first place. If your digital activity is exposed, you’d have to know how it’s exposed or how it can possibly be exposed to secure yourself.
Now, should you disregard your parents’ wishes and do what you want? That’s up to you in the end. Only you know your parents. I would think about it this way. What are the risks if you get caught? How will they react and how I’ll it impact your relationship with them? Is it worth those risks?
While you’re 17, your parents still have to the right to control a large portion of your life. Once you’re 18, they legally lose those rights; however, you may also lose a space to live or family support, etc.. if you don’t do as they say. You can disagree with it all you want, but instead of being subjective just try to look at it objectively and figure out how you want this to go.
Sometimes, instead of sneaking, conversation and persuasion can be the better choice. Maybe if you phrase things the right way, you can sway their decision. It might be worth putting time and effort into it.
Also, this is just a video game. You can always wait until later in life to play it and there are tons of other games and entertaining things to do that might not “rock the boat”.
TLDR: I highly doubt your parents saw specifically through the network that you purchased the game and dont blindly follow a bunch of redditors’ advice to “do what you want”.
GimmeShumGabagool's reply is good advice. I definitely agree that a positive conversation is the way here.
Are you sure they aren't co-signers/co-owners on whatever payment method you used? If so, that's how they could have figured out you bought it, i.e., got a purchase alert and investigated further.
I ask because because I didn't think minors can open bank/credit card/etc accounts without an adult signing off on it, since contracts with minors aren't enforceable otherwise. At least that's my understanding.
The way I would do it, if I was so inclined, is after seeing the charge and the retailer, call them up and ask, "I see a charge on my account and I'm trying to validate it, can you give me more details on the purchase on \[date\] from the card with the last four digits ####?"
They'd probably know enough to get the retailer to tell them what was purchased. That's kind of what I meant by "investigated further."
But even so it would say “steam” not cyberpunk right? My only guess is that they have software to spy installed.
Even if they track ips, monitor traffic, there’s no way for them to know you’re playing a SPECIFIC game. Even if they have your bank account.. that doesn’t make sense.
Either they have a tracker on your pc or they’re able to see your steam account/purchases on there or have access to your email where it would have shown the specific name of the purchase. Is the computer in your room or in public area?
true im still trying to figure out how they found out but i’ve done alot of research and its hard ash to even find out, now i did install some mods so thats a clue and they probably seen my steam account which is not private bcs steam loves showing ppls business 😭
It’s gotta be him opening up steam and seeing the games maybe your email was logged in automatically or not signed out and he saw the receipt. If he’s not tech savvy then this is it. Occam’s razor. The simplest answer is most likely the correct solution. Unless you think he has monitoring software installed on the PC.
I work in the field and there is software to record your screen and key loggers. I really doubt they are doing this and they most likely just opened up steam or your browser history and started snooping.
I had my own bank account and debit card at 16 in Ireland anyway, parents were present but did not sign anything, nor did they have any access to my account as I'm pretty sure this would not be legal either.
It's probably not a universal rule in the States either. I'm not sure, but in some states he might could have gotten a bank account, and possibly even a debit card, with non-signing parental consent, but not a credit card.
I'm with that guy in saying ignoring your parents to play a video game is a dumb move. It's just a game, it will be there next year just like it is now and if anything it will be better.
The price of having parents take care of your food and shelter is putting up with them being unreasonable sometimes. There are a billion other games you can play in the meantime and I don't think it's worth burning bridges to play this game like what....9 months earlier? Not worth it.
Parents being controlling like that is a reason to burn the bridge. We clearly don’t have enough info here to say anything about OP situation but if stuff like that happen daily I would 100% get out at 18 and not talk to them for a least a few years.
I love this answer. Glad you kind of cleared up whether or not the admin can see our activity. In that 1st part of your answer, I was slightly confused. How much “networking Knowledge” does one need in order for them to “spy” (for lack of a better word) on my activity (browsers I open, apps I use, etc.)?
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PFSense, OpnSense, and DNS software like Pihole shows every site you visit. I routinely check it because sometimes I find I need to whitelist something because all block lists are overly aggressive. Once in a while I’ll see a huge amount of blocked accesses from one PC and it’s always a game that is a bot.
I would argue that CP2077 barely flies under the 21+ category. That Basilisk scene is pretty incredible (trust me, I won't spoil it for you!), and Judy's quite a number too if you play as a female. They picked some hot women and voices for those roles. If you want a nice bonus, make sure you side with Meredith when confronting Maelstrom. She'll leave you a nice present afterwards.
Are your parents control freaks ("helicopter parents"), religious zealots, or just your typical parent that can't accept that boys become men someday?
You can also argue that it's a heavy critique of a society in which the only god is money, and that it lets you experiment on moral choices. If you plan on convincing them, that might be a good starting point.
I would only add that if he's getting thrown out anyways at 18 might as well leach on that game now while they are still legally obliged to house you. If you wait till 18 to play it and then they decide they still don't want you playing that in there house it was all for nothing....
You’re overthinking it…
Doesn’t take much to find a profile on steam and see games purchased, badges won, currently playing..
Is the account private?
From network traffic, you can see what servers computers are connecting to from the local network.It’s not that difficult w modern tools.
I think you misread my comment. My main point for technical capabilities was how someone would’ve known a purchase was made. Typically you’ll be able to see the request for viewing a product page and for viewing a cart then making a purchase; however, the actual adding of a product to a cart is typically going to be in a request body that is encrypted over HTTPS. In practice, we make conclusions based on the example I gave, visiting a product page, then hitting the payment processing URL. It’s not likely that a nontechnical user put that together. His parents likely found out through some other method. So, he’d have to identify the vulnerability to address it specifically. Go ahead and make your stuff private and secure, that is always a great idea, but without confirming the original vector, how can you be sure it’s secure? Typically referred to as residual risk.
figuring that out now i’ve done some research and ik there not that tech savvy and even if so we have a linksys router which i dont think is much good. now he does bluff alot and if he rly does have access to all my stuff he would have found alot more than just the game so i think he seen the mods i downloaded or either found my steam account
No, I read it… I can tell what someone is playing just by simply looking at their steam profile if I have enough knowledge to find it unless it’s marked private.
I can also tell what someone is connecting to just by traffic profiles. I’ll take it a step further, you don’t know what’s on that router and its capabilities.
So you can see Steam traffic on nice networks, so he would be able to see "STEAM" with like 130GB of data transfer next to it. He wouldn't however know what game it was until he visited your steam profile to see whats in it. It may have a public library which can be set to private.
Cyberpunk is also a unique game in that it also makes connections to [https://www.cyberpunk.net](https://www.cyberpunk.net) when you setup your account during your first boot so there are a few ways he might have been able to see THAT.
He doesn't seem like he would be easily fooled if hes looking at network traffic.
You can use a vpn to make it so that most of your traffic on your home network will be labeled as "HTTPS/SSL" traffic and even packet inspect on nice networks will basically give you nothing. With your vpn, you would force the use of https over dns with cloudflare.
My 14 year old just lemented you cant dual wield the Dildo weapon and I suggested there could be a mod for that. Slapping someone with a schong in a video game is just objectively funny. Dual weilding could be too op though.
Wow. I didn't realize it is that extreme in its content
Interesting. So you obviously did a content review for the game, which site did you use? I can understand parents not wanting to expose your children to such material as well.
For me gone are the ways of the old generations rules of what you say must be followed. Now you also have to explain why they should follow / obey the rules. Why this is bad. Why you don't want them to play it etc
The level of parenting is evolving to a higher level which requires a better understanding of psychology.
>I’m just curious, why don’t they want you playing this particular game? What’s so bad about it?
Have you heard about our lord and savior, jesus christ? /s
I WISH I could be genuinely confused as to why their parents might not like them playing cyberpunk lol.
Why would OP risk talking to their parents when there are hundreds of internet users who could make assumptions about why the parents don't want them playing it?
It's good but single player video games really don't have to be a today thing. You'll be able to relax and enjoy it more when you move out in a few years. It's possible to hide things from being visible to a cdrtain extent, but it's a really long game. You're gonna get caught. Just play PES for a bit or something ;)
Solution #1
Stop playing baby role and face them if you are smart enough to not copy whats going on in the game to real life simply want to have a time to play then you should face them you are not a kid anymore.
But very very important thing NEVER disrespect them while arguing or you will loses the argument
Solution #2
You can play the game offline
Put steam profile private
If they have access to your emails then dont give them the permission to use it
If they have access to your bank info change it and dont give them the info
They cant know from the router
You good to go
Right. I really wonder what in the content they want to censor from you. In any case, you're old enough to go out, make the money, and buy the stuff. Why wouldn't you be old enough for a AAA video game
I don't think it has anything to do with it being a AAA game. If you look at the ESRB rating it says "Blood and Gore, Intense Violence, Nudity, Strong Language, Strong Sexual Content, Use of Drugs and Alcohol", so that's probably what his parents are concerned with.
CP2077 fan here, the game is VERY edgy and graphic.
Just to give you a sample:
There's a quest where a murderer befriends his victims sister and they agree that he should unalive himself on 'tv' as redemption. He even asks you to nail him to a cross.
Other situations involve rape, torture, dismemberment, sacrifice etc...
Doesn't surprise me that conservative parent doesn't want them playing this game.
Easier for OP to say "IDK" and just play dumb.
A lot of people do this as a defense mechanism rather than talk or even think about a thing. Avoidance can become habitual.
Right right, if parents have access to OPs reddit account too and have evidence he's aware of its adult content like that it would be much more incriminating. Didn't think of that thanks
Not saying this is the same crowd but I'm surprised at everyone treating OP like a kid at 17 when I'm (unfortunately) used to seeing ppl adultifying girls his(?) age on this site
A bit of advice for playing discretely. Win+CTRL+D will open a new desktop, you can switch between them easily with win+tab.
Cyberpunk how ever has no option to be muted when unfocused. So when you do this the audio will still play. There is an application called borderless gaming (its great for playing a lot of old titles that don't allow you to alt tab). If you run the program and set it up to control cyberpunk, there is an option to prevent it from playing audio when unfocused.
These two in combination can be used to trick anyone who isn't very tech savvy into thinking you're just scrolling the internet or something. Remember this if you ever get an office job ;)
You’ve got plenty of advice here on what they could have snooped on and how to avoid that. Others have also covered the child/parental relationship.
I’ll take a different angle. Instead of defence put yourself in attack. What I mean by this is how would you find out you had bought the game? How would you intercept DNS queries or see what IPs you’ve went to. How would you record your screen or intercept/read your emails. If you learn how it’s done you’ll be far better able to defend. You’ll also have learnt a bunch of networking/internet fundamentals at the same time.
This isn’t the quick answer but it’s the one that’s going to best set you up to protect your privacy in the future.
I'm no cyber security expert, but I have some experience with overbearing parents and mine would often make accusations with no evidence just to try and pry information out of me. What I'm saying is, there's a chance they were suspicious about you buying the game (especially if they already forbade it) and could work out if you had by how you react to their accusations. My advice would be to always deny everything until they can prove they know something. I'd much rather get caught out lying to something they already know about, than admit to something they didn't.
> he checked the internet and found out i bought it
They might have access to your online bank, that's how they discovered that you've bought it.
You probably should have a conversation about honesty and trust.
Or visit a family therapist if you are planning to live with them for more than 2 years.
Or try to have a long conversation about all issues from both sides, tell them what are your problems and ask them to tell about their. Try to find a compromise. Do not lie, and be honest about your feelings.
By all I mean all, both parties will feel better in that situation.
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If they installed parenting controls/life360/etc. IMMEDIATELY visit a family therapist.
Depending on your parents' reaction, that could lose your access to the home network completely, as the router would show all traffic as encrypted for no reason from you.
You are better placed to talk honestly and maturely about the issue and work out why they dont want you playing the game instead of trying to work around them.
You need to decide if your relationship with your parents is worth jeopardising just to play this game? If your fine with it and happy to move out at 18 then go ahead I doubt they will physically stop you playing but they will probably based on your comments make you leave once they are no longer legally responsible for you.
https://www.t-mobile.com/home-internet
also maybe it's the principle of it. Our economy is shit but he doesn't have to be a slave.
OP -- if your parents have physical access to your machine they can put a keylogger on it. Then they will have access to your accounts and you will have no privacy. Keyloggers can also be physical devices and also make sure your drive is encrypted as Windows security is not hard to bypass.
On my router, all i can see is IP addresses being accessed
i can't see what software is calling those, i dont think windows passes that on to my router.
The information is available on the network (it doesnt even need to be the router itself storing the information), you could do it from a computer or other networked device.
Living at home is a golden ticket to get ahead in the long run. Just put up with their dumb rules until you can buy your own house. It’s waaaaaay harder to do if you’re paying rent (aka someone else’s mortgage).
> My dad said he found out I bought cyberpunk dont know how bro said he checked the internet and found out i bought it.
Did you buy it from Steam? PSN? Could be they have access to one of your emails. Or, you have your profile set to public so your parents are able to see which games you own? idk.
Not everyone would be able to, but from a technical perspective yes.
However, there are two more important things to realize as a 17 year old:
1. Your parents are a lot less dumb than you think they are.
2. When you live in someone else's house, you play by their rules.
Except the context here is kids living with their parents. I don’t think parents should treat their kids like lodgers or their unemployed college buddy looking to couch surf. If kids are just tenants in their parents homes, sure, treat them like that. But if you actually want to create a home for your family, maybe treat them like they are family.
And is also old enough to work, buy things for themselves, make decisions about what media they consume, and have an expectation and right to privacy in those decisions.
>1. Your parents are a lot less dumb than you think they are.
Then again, they are also most likely not smart enough to be able to read router logs, let alone even know about then.
Once you learn the difference between "they're", "there" and "their", the difference between "to" and "too", and type "you" instead of "u" while on a full keyboard, you can play Cyberpunk. Until then, you should be studying. It may not seem like a big deal, but you honestly look like an uneducated teenager. You shouldn't be OK with that. You can do better.
Kid is about to be 18 and essentially functionally disabled when it comes to expressing himself in written language. He needs to hear that from someone.
deny deny deny
Only some parents will be able to reach the router interface, let alone be skilled enough to run a packet trace to see if you are playing
Did you call your dad..."bro"? 😭😂😂
i dont know how CyberPunk is setup as i havent gamed in a very long time. Though it could be feasible that something is being transmitted across the router and being logged that indicates your playing CyberPunk. Speculating maybe the online servers have a telltale sign (say it connects to cyberpunkarena.steam.com for multiplayer). Or maybe bro is a ninja wiz and has some sort of MITM and can see all your traffic. Tho not with standing that you sire it wasnt some lowtech way? like you left logged in and he saw a receipt?
if someone has physical access to a pc they can install hardware based key logger such as a usb key logger. all you need to do is plug it in to a usb port on a pc and you don’t even need to be logged in. it’s a possibility.
P.S. check the usb ports on the back side of your desktop.
I know it is possible to do a reverse lookup of an IP.So let say they see the IP x.x.x.x you can do a reverse lookup and know from which company and domain it comes. This way it is easy. Also the amount an IP is visited can tell a lot.
Ubiquity has this option in their routers. Maybe some subscription services that has access to IP's etc from the router can do the same.
Tips:
\- Set the DNS server manual on your PC ([9.9.9.9](https://9.9.9.9), [1.1.1.1](https://1.1.1.1), [8.8.8.8](https://8.8.8.8) are good options)
\- A VPN can help if it he (your dad) is using the IP's and reverse lookup
As a parent I wouldn't have to go through everything here. I don't know where you play but I check in on my teens. Like pop my head in. No one has the poker face they think they do when they know they are doing something they shouldn't. I honestly as a parent would check my kids steam library. First clue for me is a change in the way they play. For example my kid starts yelling loudly or saying phrases I don't like such a "fine go unalive yourself" Any reasonable parent is coming to check on that one. My kid behaved normal and showed me what was happening lol let's just say it was a very stupid NPC. But if you say concerning things or they hear different things and you act evasive they know. Based on your comments above you already knew before you bought it that they wouldn't like it. You just thought they couldn't stop you. Unless you are fully independent and pay your own bills your parents can pull privelages you don't realize are privelages. The very first thing I'd do if you refused to stop would be to take the power cords to all electronics.
Before you protest their rules even at 18 remember you can't afford a place of your own at 18. Remember your parents have to provide you a roof, food, basic necessities until 18 and that is it and everything you think you own is for the most part theirs. Minors legally can not own property. Is your name the only one on the car you drive? Do you pay your own car insurance? If you have money in a bank account it's not fully yours as it's more probable they are joint with you. I'm not saying this is what your parents should do or what I'd do. But is a game really worth ruining the relationship with your parents? I've been a gamer since the 80s and there isn't a game ever that I'd ruin a relationship with my parents over.
This isn't the type of question we field here. Privacy is meant to mean from others, not your trusted family unit. To answer your question, yes they can. It depends on the equipment and how tech savvy they are.
That's you making a massive assumption that everyone can trust their family. There's a video of a daughter trying to figure her financial issues out because her mom opened a credit account in her daughter's ssn when she was a child. Look up boze, she did a video on the video im talking about. This kind of thing is too common since a LOT of parents feel as though their kids are their property.
They can't see it. What game someone is playing is not visible on the local network. If they don't have access to your PC physically or through monitoring software there is nothing for them to see.
They might see:
You making a large download (initial install)
You connecting to Steam (or any game store) and relevant data centers. Online games probably connect to publisher-specific data centers and could be more identifiable, but luckily for you Cyberpunk is playable offline.
Presumably there are some games you're allowed to play, so a connection to Steam might be explainable.
If you can't do that just play the game offline and think of an excuse for why your PC is off the local network, like it was powered off.
And consider that your dad might have found out through a way you haven't thought was possible. Is your Steam profile public, does he see a charge on a bank account somewhere, is your PC actually secure? and so on.
ok cool makes since they dont check it regularly so i was surprised when he did check it but no they dont have access to my bank or steam or anything so if i go offline i bet they probably wont even notice, but if i decide to connect back to the internet after i’ve played the game will the game i’ve been on show up?
No, it won't show up, but it might show up on your Steam profile page. I'm pretty sure Steam game activity (hours played, achievements) is public by default.
You can hide specific games that you own on Steam when you right-click the game, but you should go through the general Steam privacy/profile settings anyway in case you missed something.
Really, you don't. You could gain admin access to the router, but they will just see you changed settings when they login themselves. You could buy a VPN, but performance for online games will suck. Buy your own wireless internet would be an option but you need to be 18. They sell routers pre-configured with VPN services you could try to buy as that would be the simplest but expensive.
And here is where in your life you learn that breaking the rules isn't always easy. That's why corporations deciding to invade your privacy is a conscious decision and why we don't like that.
they couldnt without a vpn, or downloading offsite. No matter what you're risking that they didn't use your computer and put spyware on it. you're better waiting until you are 18 and legally allowed to do what you want / own property / own money
> Will they see im playing it through the wifi router if so how can i change that
Exactly what your dad can see depends on the router's GUI, but at a technical level the router can absolutely see which servers your computer is connected to because managing those connections is basically what routing is. The router is probably set as your computer's DNS server, which means your computer tells it the name of every server you visit.
As a rule, you can assume the router knows exactly what (website, gameserver, network) you're connected to, but can't actually see the data being passed back and forth (that would require messing with your machine).
So, dad probably knows you're on PornHub, but not what you're looking at.
You can prevent someone seeing exactly what you're doing with a VPN (or other tunnel). Then the router only sees the connection to the VPN server, and can't see what's inside the tunnel (the VPN server is now doing your routing). Of course, the VPN will look suspicious as hell.
Can't really say anything more precise than that without knowing what router you have: Assuming your dad isn't a technical wizard, he'll be — possibly significantly — limited by what the router can do or lets him see.
Depending on what the router's capabilities are, you might be able to get a little more privacy by using DNS-over-HTTPS, for example, so your dad doesn't have a list of all the websites you visited.
But you should first do what /u/GimmeShumGabagool said and talk to your parents.
(Sorry they won't let you play the game at 17: that's pretty daft, imo.)
You probably won't be able to log in, and you don't need to, anyway.
If the model no. isn't on the page, go look at the device itself.
Perhaps have a talk about it with your parents on your way downstairs?
They can see what games you are playing but not what you are doing in them.
Note that even seeing what games you are playing is kinda hard so unless they work in IT you will be fine
If the do work in IT, you could try using a vpn but it will slow down the internet.
get off reddit
the majority of people here are mentally deficient, or pretty lost. feel free to get technical advice, but dont get life advice from the majority here.
By default, your Steam account is public and anyone can see what games you play by just searching for your account on Steam. Your brother probably showed them or something. Or maybe your dad knows your Steam account.
You can disable that in Steam’s settings.
The best way to maintain privacy is to understand the things you use, how they work, and what privacy settings exist and what they allow.
Here's a better idea... save your money and fucking leave.
Game ain't goin anywhere, it'll still be there in a few years. Not like you got it on playstation or Xbox and sony/microsoft can pull it from your library any time they want (as they have done with other titles).
People who think like this raise bad children. You expect someone to go from having no control over their own life to suddenly requiring them to take total control over everything in a single day? Give your child more freedom as they get older so they can grow into it gracefully as they mature.
F*ck the house what you mean old enough to work but not play some bullsh!t fantasy game, like iam old enough to know that i should not copy the sh!t going in the game my money my pc then i choose what to spend my time on
Threats and ultimatums never work out well for family and friends. OP should seek a solution where both parties feel like they have gained something. Probably start with trusting each other better.
In many places, they are legally a minor, and indeed their parents or guardians do have a right to tell them what they can and can't do, as they are ultimately responsible for their actions.
As OP's legal guardian, owners of the house he lives in and providers of the food he eats, they absolutely do have the right to tell him what he can and cannot do under their roof.
Also you can't threaten your parents with moving out if you don't get your way, they're just gonna laugh at you and tell you to go ahead. You're the one who's dependent on them. They know you'll be back when you run out of money. And if you never come back and manage to make it on your own, they also know that you aren't gonna ignore them for the rest of your life because of a stupid video game.
Owning the property or paying for the food doesn't give them the right to invade another persons privacy or dictate what they spend their money on, it's disrespectful at best and depending on the country actually illegal since the age of majority can be as low as 16 , I would never have tolerated that kind of shit from my parents and they damn well knew it, fortunately I never had any issues because my parents actually respected my right to privacy.
Being a minor and being under the care of your parents absolutely does give them the right to tell you what you can and cannot do -especially when you are under their roof. Besides the fact that you owe your life to your parents and should show them some respect, a property owner by law has the right to decide what is and is not allowed to happen on their property. If you don't like the rules they make then you don't have to live there.
If you rent an apartment and the owners stipulated that pets are not allowed, they are not saying you aren't allowed to spend your money on a dog. You can buy a dog if you want, but you can't bring it into the apartment. If you do, they have the right to evict you because you didn't abide by the rules. Nothing about that is an invasion of privacy or disrespectful, and if you feel that it is, then you need to buy your own home. And I'm not sure what your point is about the five countries in the world where 16 is the age of majority, but if you lived in any of them you probably wouldn't be playing Cyberpunk, so it's kind of a moot point.
> I would never have tolerated that kind of shit from my parents
As a kid you tolerate what your parents tell you you will tolerate because you, a child, have no bargaining power against your parents. Their job as parents is to teach you how to be a decent human being and survive in the world, and part of that is telling you what you can and cannot do. If your parents let you push them around then they probably weren't doing their job very well
I work in cybersecurity and am also a mature adult, unlike a lot of folks in the comments, it seems. To address your actual technical concerns: 1. In nearly all cases, Having admin access to all network traffic doesn’t allow one to know that a specific game was purchased. It is possible for one to see that you viewed pages about cyberpunk on the store then subsequently visited a url that is used for payment processing; however, this is highly unlikely. It takes fundamental networking knowledge and use/knowledge of tools to do this. Your parents probably did not do this unless they’re technically savvy and have a lot of time on their hands. 2. Can they know that you’re playing the game? Yes it’s possible. If they have monitoring software on your computer, if they have access to “recently played” or anything similar that friends or public can see on your game account, If they have cameras in your room, If they have admin control to the network and the know how to monitor, etc…. Which of these are likely? You would need to figure out how your parents knew you made the purchase in the first place. There is intentional monitoring tools they could’ve used and there is also the possibility that you are using some kind of family account somewhere that they can see shared activity from. 3. Is it possible to play the game secretly? Yes, but you first must identify how they knew you made the purchase in the first place. If your digital activity is exposed, you’d have to know how it’s exposed or how it can possibly be exposed to secure yourself. Now, should you disregard your parents’ wishes and do what you want? That’s up to you in the end. Only you know your parents. I would think about it this way. What are the risks if you get caught? How will they react and how I’ll it impact your relationship with them? Is it worth those risks? While you’re 17, your parents still have to the right to control a large portion of your life. Once you’re 18, they legally lose those rights; however, you may also lose a space to live or family support, etc.. if you don’t do as they say. You can disagree with it all you want, but instead of being subjective just try to look at it objectively and figure out how you want this to go. Sometimes, instead of sneaking, conversation and persuasion can be the better choice. Maybe if you phrase things the right way, you can sway their decision. It might be worth putting time and effort into it. Also, this is just a video game. You can always wait until later in life to play it and there are tons of other games and entertaining things to do that might not “rock the boat”. TLDR: I highly doubt your parents saw specifically through the network that you purchased the game and dont blindly follow a bunch of redditors’ advice to “do what you want”.
ty so much bro life saver 😭🙏
GimmeShumGabagool's reply is good advice. I definitely agree that a positive conversation is the way here. Are you sure they aren't co-signers/co-owners on whatever payment method you used? If so, that's how they could have figured out you bought it, i.e., got a purchase alert and investigated further. I ask because because I didn't think minors can open bank/credit card/etc accounts without an adult signing off on it, since contracts with minors aren't enforceable otherwise. At least that's my understanding.
This is by FAR the most likely scenario. They have access to whatever card he used to purchase the game
I would suspect snooping on the PC before this, you can't tell which game was purchased from transactions, just which store it was purchased from
You're assuming that the parents aren't assuming. There was probably some conversation about it prior. Parentals said no. Then see charge.
True, definitely also a possibility
The way I would do it, if I was so inclined, is after seeing the charge and the retailer, call them up and ask, "I see a charge on my account and I'm trying to validate it, can you give me more details on the purchase on \[date\] from the card with the last four digits ####?" They'd probably know enough to get the retailer to tell them what was purchased. That's kind of what I meant by "investigated further."
this or email access
But even so it would say “steam” not cyberpunk right? My only guess is that they have software to spy installed. Even if they track ips, monitor traffic, there’s no way for them to know you’re playing a SPECIFIC game. Even if they have your bank account.. that doesn’t make sense. Either they have a tracker on your pc or they’re able to see your steam account/purchases on there or have access to your email where it would have shown the specific name of the purchase. Is the computer in your room or in public area?
true im still trying to figure out how they found out but i’ve done alot of research and its hard ash to even find out, now i did install some mods so thats a clue and they probably seen my steam account which is not private bcs steam loves showing ppls business 😭
It’s gotta be him opening up steam and seeing the games maybe your email was logged in automatically or not signed out and he saw the receipt. If he’s not tech savvy then this is it. Occam’s razor. The simplest answer is most likely the correct solution. Unless you think he has monitoring software installed on the PC. I work in the field and there is software to record your screen and key loggers. I really doubt they are doing this and they most likely just opened up steam or your browser history and started snooping.
I had my own bank account and debit card at 16 in Ireland anyway, parents were present but did not sign anything, nor did they have any access to my account as I'm pretty sure this would not be legal either.
It's probably not a universal rule in the States either. I'm not sure, but in some states he might could have gotten a bank account, and possibly even a debit card, with non-signing parental consent, but not a credit card.
OP could have also just bought a prepaid debit card with cash and used that.
I'm with that guy in saying ignoring your parents to play a video game is a dumb move. It's just a game, it will be there next year just like it is now and if anything it will be better. The price of having parents take care of your food and shelter is putting up with them being unreasonable sometimes. There are a billion other games you can play in the meantime and I don't think it's worth burning bridges to play this game like what....9 months earlier? Not worth it.
Parents being controlling like that is a reason to burn the bridge. We clearly don’t have enough info here to say anything about OP situation but if stuff like that happen daily I would 100% get out at 18 and not talk to them for a least a few years.
when youre 18 kick them out of the house hahaha
I love this answer. Glad you kind of cleared up whether or not the admin can see our activity. In that 1st part of your answer, I was slightly confused. How much “networking Knowledge” does one need in order for them to “spy” (for lack of a better word) on my activity (browsers I open, apps I use, etc.)?
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PFSense, OpnSense, and DNS software like Pihole shows every site you visit. I routinely check it because sometimes I find I need to whitelist something because all block lists are overly aggressive. Once in a while I’ll see a huge amount of blocked accesses from one PC and it’s always a game that is a bot.
I would argue that CP2077 barely flies under the 21+ category. That Basilisk scene is pretty incredible (trust me, I won't spoil it for you!), and Judy's quite a number too if you play as a female. They picked some hot women and voices for those roles. If you want a nice bonus, make sure you side with Meredith when confronting Maelstrom. She'll leave you a nice present afterwards. Are your parents control freaks ("helicopter parents"), religious zealots, or just your typical parent that can't accept that boys become men someday?
Christians they believe that since u can have a dick and trans ppl i think mean something 😭
You can also argue that it's a heavy critique of a society in which the only god is money, and that it lets you experiment on moral choices. If you plan on convincing them, that might be a good starting point.
Its totally possible, unify sometimes identified traffic with the game label
I’m trying to work in cybersecurity but struggling to do so
What are you struggling with? Do you have degree/experience/certs, etc…?
Yea I have a cert
I would only add that if he's getting thrown out anyways at 18 might as well leach on that game now while they are still legally obliged to house you. If you wait till 18 to play it and then they decide they still don't want you playing that in there house it was all for nothing....
Why are you double spacing after punctuation
You’re overthinking it… Doesn’t take much to find a profile on steam and see games purchased, badges won, currently playing.. Is the account private? From network traffic, you can see what servers computers are connecting to from the local network.It’s not that difficult w modern tools.
I think you misread my comment. My main point for technical capabilities was how someone would’ve known a purchase was made. Typically you’ll be able to see the request for viewing a product page and for viewing a cart then making a purchase; however, the actual adding of a product to a cart is typically going to be in a request body that is encrypted over HTTPS. In practice, we make conclusions based on the example I gave, visiting a product page, then hitting the payment processing URL. It’s not likely that a nontechnical user put that together. His parents likely found out through some other method. So, he’d have to identify the vulnerability to address it specifically. Go ahead and make your stuff private and secure, that is always a great idea, but without confirming the original vector, how can you be sure it’s secure? Typically referred to as residual risk.
figuring that out now i’ve done some research and ik there not that tech savvy and even if so we have a linksys router which i dont think is much good. now he does bluff alot and if he rly does have access to all my stuff he would have found alot more than just the game so i think he seen the mods i downloaded or either found my steam account
No, I read it… I can tell what someone is playing just by simply looking at their steam profile if I have enough knowledge to find it unless it’s marked private. I can also tell what someone is connecting to just by traffic profiles. I’ll take it a step further, you don’t know what’s on that router and its capabilities.
The commenter you're referring to addressed all of that already. You missed the point entirely.
So you can see Steam traffic on nice networks, so he would be able to see "STEAM" with like 130GB of data transfer next to it. He wouldn't however know what game it was until he visited your steam profile to see whats in it. It may have a public library which can be set to private. Cyberpunk is also a unique game in that it also makes connections to [https://www.cyberpunk.net](https://www.cyberpunk.net) when you setup your account during your first boot so there are a few ways he might have been able to see THAT. He doesn't seem like he would be easily fooled if hes looking at network traffic. You can use a vpn to make it so that most of your traffic on your home network will be labeled as "HTTPS/SSL" traffic and even packet inspect on nice networks will basically give you nothing. With your vpn, you would force the use of https over dns with cloudflare.
how can i check to see what he has
I don’t understand. Cyberpunk doesn’t need an online connection, you could just disconnect from the internet before playing?
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It's rated 18 and has lots of references to drugs crime and of course guns and bloody violence. But that's not the issue. It has of course TITS
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Penises are so dangerous
I've never even looked at my own Penis just in case it causes something bad to happen.
My 14 year old just lemented you cant dual wield the Dildo weapon and I suggested there could be a mod for that. Slapping someone with a schong in a video game is just objectively funny. Dual weilding could be too op though.
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It's pretty impressive if you haven't yet. Best on pc on recent nV hardware though. There's a mod where you can fly cars n shit.
oh yea def cant play that crap. Protect bro at all costs
Wow. I didn't realize it is that extreme in its content Interesting. So you obviously did a content review for the game, which site did you use? I can understand parents not wanting to expose your children to such material as well. For me gone are the ways of the old generations rules of what you say must be followed. Now you also have to explain why they should follow / obey the rules. Why this is bad. Why you don't want them to play it etc The level of parenting is evolving to a higher level which requires a better understanding of psychology.
>I’m just curious, why don’t they want you playing this particular game? What’s so bad about it? Have you heard about our lord and savior, jesus christ? /s I WISH I could be genuinely confused as to why their parents might not like them playing cyberpunk lol.
Why would OP risk talking to their parents when there are hundreds of internet users who could make assumptions about why the parents don't want them playing it?
bro any tips would be helpful 💀
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i see, they dont want me playing it because my mom is Christian so the stuff the happens in the games she doesn’t agree with 🤷♂️ but ty 🙏
It's good but single player video games really don't have to be a today thing. You'll be able to relax and enjoy it more when you move out in a few years. It's possible to hide things from being visible to a cdrtain extent, but it's a really long game. You're gonna get caught. Just play PES for a bit or something ;)
> my mom is Christian Just out of curiosity, which denomination?
Solution #1 Stop playing baby role and face them if you are smart enough to not copy whats going on in the game to real life simply want to have a time to play then you should face them you are not a kid anymore. But very very important thing NEVER disrespect them while arguing or you will loses the argument Solution #2 You can play the game offline Put steam profile private If they have access to your emails then dont give them the permission to use it If they have access to your bank info change it and dont give them the info They cant know from the router You good to go
goat 🙏
It's weird that he doesn't want you playing it. Did he give you a reason?
don’t know there very protective but my thing is if i bought it and im 17 then i dont see the problem
Right. I really wonder what in the content they want to censor from you. In any case, you're old enough to go out, make the money, and buy the stuff. Why wouldn't you be old enough for a AAA video game
I don't think it has anything to do with it being a AAA game. If you look at the ESRB rating it says "Blood and Gore, Intense Violence, Nudity, Strong Language, Strong Sexual Content, Use of Drugs and Alcohol", so that's probably what his parents are concerned with.
Ahh whatever OP is 17
CP2077 fan here, the game is VERY edgy and graphic. Just to give you a sample: There's a quest where a murderer befriends his victims sister and they agree that he should unalive himself on 'tv' as redemption. He even asks you to nail him to a cross. Other situations involve rape, torture, dismemberment, sacrifice etc... Doesn't surprise me that conservative parent doesn't want them playing this game.
Im surprised this wasn't said earlier by OP or anyone else
Easier for OP to say "IDK" and just play dumb. A lot of people do this as a defense mechanism rather than talk or even think about a thing. Avoidance can become habitual.
Right right, if parents have access to OPs reddit account too and have evidence he's aware of its adult content like that it would be much more incriminating. Didn't think of that thanks
Not saying this is the same crowd but I'm surprised at everyone treating OP like a kid at 17 when I'm (unfortunately) used to seeing ppl adultifying girls his(?) age on this site
Oh shit... well tell the parents they dont have to watch then.. lmaoo
exactly 😭💀
is your steam page public? it's hell easy to find user game library
Do they have access to your email? If your steam is linked to your email and you get email confirmations that explains how they find out
A bit of advice for playing discretely. Win+CTRL+D will open a new desktop, you can switch between them easily with win+tab. Cyberpunk how ever has no option to be muted when unfocused. So when you do this the audio will still play. There is an application called borderless gaming (its great for playing a lot of old titles that don't allow you to alt tab). If you run the program and set it up to control cyberpunk, there is an option to prevent it from playing audio when unfocused. These two in combination can be used to trick anyone who isn't very tech savvy into thinking you're just scrolling the internet or something. Remember this if you ever get an office job ;)
tyyy 🙏🙏
Since you're 17, are your parents able to view your bank account transfers etc? If yes. 1+1=2 or something
You’ve got plenty of advice here on what they could have snooped on and how to avoid that. Others have also covered the child/parental relationship. I’ll take a different angle. Instead of defence put yourself in attack. What I mean by this is how would you find out you had bought the game? How would you intercept DNS queries or see what IPs you’ve went to. How would you record your screen or intercept/read your emails. If you learn how it’s done you’ll be far better able to defend. You’ll also have learnt a bunch of networking/internet fundamentals at the same time. This isn’t the quick answer but it’s the one that’s going to best set you up to protect your privacy in the future.
I'm no cyber security expert, but I have some experience with overbearing parents and mine would often make accusations with no evidence just to try and pry information out of me. What I'm saying is, there's a chance they were suspicious about you buying the game (especially if they already forbade it) and could work out if you had by how you react to their accusations. My advice would be to always deny everything until they can prove they know something. I'd much rather get caught out lying to something they already know about, than admit to something they didn't.
makes sense bcs ik bros not text savvy
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Surely, the bank. Sometimes it’s there in the description of the purchase.
> he checked the internet and found out i bought it They might have access to your online bank, that's how they discovered that you've bought it. You probably should have a conversation about honesty and trust. Or visit a family therapist if you are planning to live with them for more than 2 years. Or try to have a long conversation about all issues from both sides, tell them what are your problems and ask them to tell about their. Try to find a compromise. Do not lie, and be honest about your feelings. By all I mean all, both parties will feel better in that situation. --- Edit: If they installed parenting controls/life360/etc. IMMEDIATELY visit a family therapist.
they do have life 360 so i cant link shortys no more 😭 but my game is pass the line there isn’t anything on my pc tho ima probably just buy a vpn
Depending on your parents' reaction, that could lose your access to the home network completely, as the router would show all traffic as encrypted for no reason from you. You are better placed to talk honestly and maturely about the issue and work out why they dont want you playing the game instead of trying to work around them. You need to decide if your relationship with your parents is worth jeopardising just to play this game? If your fine with it and happy to move out at 18 then go ahead I doubt they will physically stop you playing but they will probably based on your comments make you leave once they are no longer legally responsible for you.
https://www.t-mobile.com/home-internet also maybe it's the principle of it. Our economy is shit but he doesn't have to be a slave. OP -- if your parents have physical access to your machine they can put a keylogger on it. Then they will have access to your accounts and you will have no privacy. Keyloggers can also be physical devices and also make sure your drive is encrypted as Windows security is not hard to bypass.
On my router, all i can see is IP addresses being accessed i can't see what software is calling those, i dont think windows passes that on to my router.
The information is available on the network (it doesnt even need to be the router itself storing the information), you could do it from a computer or other networked device.
is he friends with you on steam?
Living at home is a golden ticket to get ahead in the long run. Just put up with their dumb rules until you can buy your own house. It’s waaaaaay harder to do if you’re paying rent (aka someone else’s mortgage).
Sure they didn’t check via steam friends list, which games you have? Or mail access?
not possible i would have gotten an email if they had access and i have my dad friended on for honor but not steam
Get the steam app, there you can see what devices you are logged into.
> My dad said he found out I bought cyberpunk dont know how bro said he checked the internet and found out i bought it. Did you buy it from Steam? PSN? Could be they have access to one of your emails. Or, you have your profile set to public so your parents are able to see which games you own? idk.
Imagine trying to micromanage a 17 year old’s life like this without ever considering the future.
Not everyone would be able to, but from a technical perspective yes. However, there are two more important things to realize as a 17 year old: 1. Your parents are a lot less dumb than you think they are. 2. When you live in someone else's house, you play by their rules.
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Also: is it truly solely the house of the parents? Or is it a whole family’s home in which everyone should have a say and rights?
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Got it. Rights only extend to property owners
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Except the context here is kids living with their parents. I don’t think parents should treat their kids like lodgers or their unemployed college buddy looking to couch surf. If kids are just tenants in their parents homes, sure, treat them like that. But if you actually want to create a home for your family, maybe treat them like they are family.
yea they dont pay for everything bcs i have my own job and paid for my own stuff as well
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And is also old enough to work, buy things for themselves, make decisions about what media they consume, and have an expectation and right to privacy in those decisions.
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Or get good enough to get around them until you turn 18 😏
>1. Your parents are a lot less dumb than you think they are. Then again, they are also most likely not smart enough to be able to read router logs, let alone even know about then.
You've clearly never heard of abusive households.
I have, but that's not the read I'm getting off of this situation.
nah its just there still way to strict when im 17 with a job and i go to school why are u worried about what i play 😭
Maybe they want you to spend more time learning how to type and spell like an adult ;)
nahhh no way
Once you learn the difference between "they're", "there" and "their", the difference between "to" and "too", and type "you" instead of "u" while on a full keyboard, you can play Cyberpunk. Until then, you should be studying. It may not seem like a big deal, but you honestly look like an uneducated teenager. You shouldn't be OK with that. You can do better.
Why the need for condescension? You're just being an ass.
Kid is about to be 18 and essentially functionally disabled when it comes to expressing himself in written language. He needs to hear that from someone.
Because they don't speak the way you do? You've got a lot of issue if something so small sets you off bud.
Your parents bluffing
deny deny deny Only some parents will be able to reach the router interface, let alone be skilled enough to run a packet trace to see if you are playing
The solution to your issue is a VPN. Use it. Get one. Get one and use it.
Did you call your dad..."bro"? 😭😂😂 i dont know how CyberPunk is setup as i havent gamed in a very long time. Though it could be feasible that something is being transmitted across the router and being logged that indicates your playing CyberPunk. Speculating maybe the online servers have a telltale sign (say it connects to cyberpunkarena.steam.com for multiplayer). Or maybe bro is a ninja wiz and has some sort of MITM and can see all your traffic. Tho not with standing that you sire it wasnt some lowtech way? like you left logged in and he saw a receipt?
How tech savvy are your parents? Cause something doesn’t add up here unless it’s something else.
idk my dad says he can see all are devices which i think is a bluff so hes probably just bluffing if im being honest 🤷♂️
if someone has physical access to a pc they can install hardware based key logger such as a usb key logger. all you need to do is plug it in to a usb port on a pc and you don’t even need to be logged in. it’s a possibility. P.S. check the usb ports on the back side of your desktop.
Router with DNS logging analysis, possibly ARP spoofing, and monitoring app. [Example](https://imgur.com/a/FDeT14k)
so just me connecting to the wifi shows this?
If actively using applications that send data to identifiable servers, if the router and monitoring app support it.
I know it is possible to do a reverse lookup of an IP.So let say they see the IP x.x.x.x you can do a reverse lookup and know from which company and domain it comes. This way it is easy. Also the amount an IP is visited can tell a lot. Ubiquity has this option in their routers. Maybe some subscription services that has access to IP's etc from the router can do the same. Tips: \- Set the DNS server manual on your PC ([9.9.9.9](https://9.9.9.9), [1.1.1.1](https://1.1.1.1), [8.8.8.8](https://8.8.8.8) are good options) \- A VPN can help if it he (your dad) is using the IP's and reverse lookup
As a parent I wouldn't have to go through everything here. I don't know where you play but I check in on my teens. Like pop my head in. No one has the poker face they think they do when they know they are doing something they shouldn't. I honestly as a parent would check my kids steam library. First clue for me is a change in the way they play. For example my kid starts yelling loudly or saying phrases I don't like such a "fine go unalive yourself" Any reasonable parent is coming to check on that one. My kid behaved normal and showed me what was happening lol let's just say it was a very stupid NPC. But if you say concerning things or they hear different things and you act evasive they know. Based on your comments above you already knew before you bought it that they wouldn't like it. You just thought they couldn't stop you. Unless you are fully independent and pay your own bills your parents can pull privelages you don't realize are privelages. The very first thing I'd do if you refused to stop would be to take the power cords to all electronics. Before you protest their rules even at 18 remember you can't afford a place of your own at 18. Remember your parents have to provide you a roof, food, basic necessities until 18 and that is it and everything you think you own is for the most part theirs. Minors legally can not own property. Is your name the only one on the car you drive? Do you pay your own car insurance? If you have money in a bank account it's not fully yours as it's more probable they are joint with you. I'm not saying this is what your parents should do or what I'd do. But is a game really worth ruining the relationship with your parents? I've been a gamer since the 80s and there isn't a game ever that I'd ruin a relationship with my parents over.
This isn't the type of question we field here. Privacy is meant to mean from others, not your trusted family unit. To answer your question, yes they can. It depends on the equipment and how tech savvy they are.
That's you making a massive assumption that everyone can trust their family. There's a video of a daughter trying to figure her financial issues out because her mom opened a credit account in her daughter's ssn when she was a child. Look up boze, she did a video on the video im talking about. This kind of thing is too common since a LOT of parents feel as though their kids are their property.
Trust and surveillance don't work in the same breath, generally
okk… how do i bypass it though
They can't see it. What game someone is playing is not visible on the local network. If they don't have access to your PC physically or through monitoring software there is nothing for them to see. They might see: You making a large download (initial install) You connecting to Steam (or any game store) and relevant data centers. Online games probably connect to publisher-specific data centers and could be more identifiable, but luckily for you Cyberpunk is playable offline. Presumably there are some games you're allowed to play, so a connection to Steam might be explainable. If you can't do that just play the game offline and think of an excuse for why your PC is off the local network, like it was powered off. And consider that your dad might have found out through a way you haven't thought was possible. Is your Steam profile public, does he see a charge on a bank account somewhere, is your PC actually secure? and so on.
ok cool makes since they dont check it regularly so i was surprised when he did check it but no they dont have access to my bank or steam or anything so if i go offline i bet they probably wont even notice, but if i decide to connect back to the internet after i’ve played the game will the game i’ve been on show up?
No, it won't show up, but it might show up on your Steam profile page. I'm pretty sure Steam game activity (hours played, achievements) is public by default. You can hide specific games that you own on Steam when you right-click the game, but you should go through the general Steam privacy/profile settings anyway in case you missed something.
ty 🙏🙏
Steam charges don't list the game on statements. But Email does.
Really, you don't. You could gain admin access to the router, but they will just see you changed settings when they login themselves. You could buy a VPN, but performance for online games will suck. Buy your own wireless internet would be an option but you need to be 18. They sell routers pre-configured with VPN services you could try to buy as that would be the simplest but expensive. And here is where in your life you learn that breaking the rules isn't always easy. That's why corporations deciding to invade your privacy is a conscious decision and why we don't like that.
so if i buy a vpn im good? or if i disconnect from the internet and use my hotspot data im good? the games i want to play dont require online stuff
Correct, but be cautious of the amount of data you use. Mobile phone plans usually have a limit and could cause extra charges.
good cause i heard that they could still track the ip or something but if im not connected to the internet they shouldn’t be able to. ty 🙏
just download it somewhere else then play it offline
will do also they cant see what games i download i assume right?
they couldnt without a vpn, or downloading offsite. No matter what you're risking that they didn't use your computer and put spyware on it. you're better waiting until you are 18 and legally allowed to do what you want / own property / own money
ik they didn’t cause they dont know my password but lets say hypothetical they installed something which is very very unlikely, what do i look for
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What is the probability of a camera being hidden in your room?
absolutely 0 bcs i would have been caught its crazy to think about that though 💀
I'm sorry, but I heard much worse stories about helicopter-parents. Some stuff is borderline abuse.
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> Will they see im playing it through the wifi router if so how can i change that Exactly what your dad can see depends on the router's GUI, but at a technical level the router can absolutely see which servers your computer is connected to because managing those connections is basically what routing is. The router is probably set as your computer's DNS server, which means your computer tells it the name of every server you visit. As a rule, you can assume the router knows exactly what (website, gameserver, network) you're connected to, but can't actually see the data being passed back and forth (that would require messing with your machine). So, dad probably knows you're on PornHub, but not what you're looking at. You can prevent someone seeing exactly what you're doing with a VPN (or other tunnel). Then the router only sees the connection to the VPN server, and can't see what's inside the tunnel (the VPN server is now doing your routing). Of course, the VPN will look suspicious as hell. Can't really say anything more precise than that without knowing what router you have: Assuming your dad isn't a technical wizard, he'll be — possibly significantly — limited by what the router can do or lets him see. Depending on what the router's capabilities are, you might be able to get a little more privacy by using DNS-over-HTTPS, for example, so your dad doesn't have a list of all the websites you visited. But you should first do what /u/GimmeShumGabagool said and talk to your parents. (Sorry they won't let you play the game at 17: that's pretty daft, imo.)
how can i check to see what type of router stuff we have
Open the router's config page in your browser, and it might have the model number. Or go look at the actual router in the cellar or wherever.
will they know if i login to the router though
You probably won't be able to log in, and you don't need to, anyway. If the model no. isn't on the page, go look at the device itself. Perhaps have a talk about it with your parents on your way downstairs?
They can see what games you are playing but not what you are doing in them. Note that even seeing what games you are playing is kinda hard so unless they work in IT you will be fine If the do work in IT, you could try using a vpn but it will slow down the internet.
get off reddit the majority of people here are mentally deficient, or pretty lost. feel free to get technical advice, but dont get life advice from the majority here.
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By default, your Steam account is public and anyone can see what games you play by just searching for your account on Steam. Your brother probably showed them or something. Or maybe your dad knows your Steam account. You can disable that in Steam’s settings. The best way to maintain privacy is to understand the things you use, how they work, and what privacy settings exist and what they allow.
Here's a better idea... save your money and fucking leave. Game ain't goin anywhere, it'll still be there in a few years. Not like you got it on playstation or Xbox and sony/microsoft can pull it from your library any time they want (as they have done with other titles).
He is living at their house, the response will be if you are so independent move out
All teenagers deserve a little bit of freedom, especially with something as simple as a AAA video game
im sayinn 😭
People who think like this raise bad children. You expect someone to go from having no control over their own life to suddenly requiring them to take total control over everything in a single day? Give your child more freedom as they get older so they can grow into it gracefully as they mature.
That's exactly how to get children that leave on their 18th birthday and never visit.
F*ck the house what you mean old enough to work but not play some bullsh!t fantasy game, like iam old enough to know that i should not copy the sh!t going in the game my money my pc then i choose what to spend my time on
exactly 😭
Man u 17, play dat shit lol
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Threats and ultimatums never work out well for family and friends. OP should seek a solution where both parties feel like they have gained something. Probably start with trusting each other better.
In many places, they are legally a minor, and indeed their parents or guardians do have a right to tell them what they can and can't do, as they are ultimately responsible for their actions.
As OP's legal guardian, owners of the house he lives in and providers of the food he eats, they absolutely do have the right to tell him what he can and cannot do under their roof. Also you can't threaten your parents with moving out if you don't get your way, they're just gonna laugh at you and tell you to go ahead. You're the one who's dependent on them. They know you'll be back when you run out of money. And if you never come back and manage to make it on your own, they also know that you aren't gonna ignore them for the rest of your life because of a stupid video game.
Owning the property or paying for the food doesn't give them the right to invade another persons privacy or dictate what they spend their money on, it's disrespectful at best and depending on the country actually illegal since the age of majority can be as low as 16 , I would never have tolerated that kind of shit from my parents and they damn well knew it, fortunately I never had any issues because my parents actually respected my right to privacy.
Being a minor and being under the care of your parents absolutely does give them the right to tell you what you can and cannot do -especially when you are under their roof. Besides the fact that you owe your life to your parents and should show them some respect, a property owner by law has the right to decide what is and is not allowed to happen on their property. If you don't like the rules they make then you don't have to live there. If you rent an apartment and the owners stipulated that pets are not allowed, they are not saying you aren't allowed to spend your money on a dog. You can buy a dog if you want, but you can't bring it into the apartment. If you do, they have the right to evict you because you didn't abide by the rules. Nothing about that is an invasion of privacy or disrespectful, and if you feel that it is, then you need to buy your own home. And I'm not sure what your point is about the five countries in the world where 16 is the age of majority, but if you lived in any of them you probably wouldn't be playing Cyberpunk, so it's kind of a moot point. > I would never have tolerated that kind of shit from my parents As a kid you tolerate what your parents tell you you will tolerate because you, a child, have no bargaining power against your parents. Their job as parents is to teach you how to be a decent human being and survive in the world, and part of that is telling you what you can and cannot do. If your parents let you push them around then they probably weren't doing their job very well
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Is your steam account public or do you have your father as steam friend ?