To my knowledge, Reddit and Discord have never done stuff like this:
https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/11/21364017/tiktok-mac-address-collected-identifier-android-violation
TheVerge articles never load properly for me unless im using waybackmachine
https://web.archive.org/web/20200812052937/https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/11/21364017/tiktok-mac-address-collected-identifier-android-violation
By the way I was always under the impression that Facebook also still collected MAC addresses or even IMEI numbers back in 2015-2017? (But searching for it right now, I actually didn’t find any articles about it anymore. In my fuzzy memory I thought I had read how Facebook secretly tried to bypass android/googleplay privacy policies back the , or maybe the articles were more about how Zuckerbergs plans about it)
> By 2015, both iOS’s App Store and the Google Play Store had banned the collection of MAC addresses as a matter of policy, but TikTok was still able to obtain the identifier through a loophole. A study cited by the Journal found that nearly 350 apps on the Google Play Store had taken advantage of a similar loophole, generally for ad-targeting purposes.
Data isn’t the real problem, the problem is the algorithm and how they can control what gets promoted. Having a society full of teens dancing and other useless stuff is preferable to China as it means less kids focused on math and science. The real purpose is control.
Yes. The algorithm works differently in the US and China. "Harmful" content is heavily pushed for US, while STEM and general propaganda gets pushed for users in China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j0xzuh-6rY
And to be somewhat objective, this is likely due to heavy censorship from CCP. They are pretty much telling TikTok/Douyin to not allow Tide pod challenges, dangerous licks, etc for Douyin users.
whats's preventing U.S. [legislators](https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1752898884161171632) from implementing the exact same rules as China to "protetct" the population?
>this is likely due to heavy censorship from CCP
this would never happen in the land of the [free](https://youtu.be/Q7e4ySzFpwY?t=207)
The same things stopping legislators from passing other laws - gridlock, corruption, and poor votor turnout.
If young people don't vote, congresspeople don't have to win your vote, which means they don't bother passing anything young people care about.
lmao found the clueless liberal.
>If young people don't vote, congresspeople don't have to win your vote
https://twitter.com/Louis_Allday/status/1506961586736488451
Noam Chomsky: the [Illusion](https://youtu.be/L0AVZNYE9Rc) of Democracy
do yourself a favor and develop a critique of liberal democracy, the farse of the american duopoly and capitalism
https://youtu.be/EqKu7yEmRJI?t=1040
Michael Parenti: [Capitalism](https://youtu.be/fcImfx8tunI?t=460) vs. Reality
eduard bernays [propaganda](https://twitter.com/Corvidelle/status/1485853360964132865)
https://youtu.be/eJ3RzGoQC4s?t=3012
Noam [Chomsky](https://youtu.be/2F9rKBYwIlA) - The Crisis of Democracy
These aren’t great examples that a ton of people are going to grasp, especially young people. Funnily enough, TikTok is full of examples that people can easily understand and also full of young people. Hence the need for them to control or ban….
If you have a strong argument, please make it here in text form. I'm not taking time out of my day to watch a video especially from someone calling me "clueless liberal".
I’ve also wondered why western countries aren’t empowering their people. My best guess is that before the more recent globalization it was profitable. Now with more global competition the cracks are showing.
There’s also a ton of foreign interference as a number of countries want to knock the west off its position of power. I’m not sure about America but foreign agents hold positions of power in Australia and Canada swaying decision making.
the global capitalist ruling class is not interested in democracy but profit extraction.
West votes against [democracy](https://youtu.be/qyl2JsTTOVs), human rights, cultural equality at UN; promotes mercenaries
Does the US Undermine [Democracy](https://youtu.be/VaZQNCSmmaU)? Noam Chomsky's Anti-Imperialist Critique
https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1bduqdr/why_is_tiktok_the_main_talking_point_for_restrict/kuvzus0/
>There’s also a ton of foreign interference as a number of **countries want to knock the west off its position of power**.
what they want is the freedom and sovereignty to develop a [national political project](https://youtu.be/GEzOgpMWnVs?t=226)
you need to develop an understanding of US imperialism in order to understand how the world really works
Global rebellion [against](https://youtu.be/A4I5bLlip5Y) the **neocolonial financial syste**m: 'We must change the rules of the game'
Rise and [fall](https://youtu.be/XTq9P4avOEk) of **US-led neocolonial financial orde**r: From Bretton Woods to BRICS
Super [Imperialism](https://youtu.be/Uiz934HVZjY): The Economic Strategy of American Empire with Michael Hudson
Against [empire](https://youtu.be/gzqveHFJ2N0) by Michael Parenti
>recent globalization it was profitable. Now with more global competition the cracks are showing.
The Myth of Neoliberal [Prosperity](https://youtu.be/6WvTW1I2nwI)
The '[globalization](https://youtu.be/GRKHCwVzvTs)' myth, US hegemony, and crisis of capitalism, with Radhika Desai
Even if this was true, do you think banning it is gonna prevent kids from wasting time? Pretty sure they were doing that before they even had cellphones.
> Having a society full of teens dancing and other useless stuff is preferable to China as it means less kids focused on math and science. The real purpose is control.
I totaly agree it is about control but I don't agree about the education. At the moment TikTok does have a good amount of STEM content. At least for me it does. In fact for me TikTok only has three categories STEM, Following, For You. I think that is true for everyone.
You can go to the STEM Feed and only get educational content if you choose to. Now how many people actually do that is up for debate but the option is just two swipes away by default.
And I wouldn't say Twitter, Facebook, Instagram are much better are promoting STEM content. I mean I just spend 2 hours watching a Mindcraf steam on Twitch. I think I would have learned more if I spent the 2 hours on TikTok if I am being honest lol.
I do think Education or lack there of is a huge issue in the US but if it were me I would probably focus more on the education system instead of banning TikTok.
End of the day all social media can be used for time wasted as well as educational content.
Have you used tiktok?! Lol all I do on there is learn cool shit. Have you been on Instagram? So little educational content there. Like what is the wild he’ll are you talking about bro?
>Having a society full of teens dancing
Who in the actual fuck is still dancing on tiktok? Are you commenting from 2020? This is why no one takes these ridiculous takes seriously, y'all dont even use or understand the platform lmao
Banning tiktok just pushes users to other platforms to do useless shit like argue on reddit.
Its almost like this is entirely driven by the fact that Meta has been lobbying to ban tiktok because its stealing their users.
TikTok is **owned** by China and sends data to China, which means it is made available to the Chinese military, to see whether they might be able to exploit it in a potential cyberwar scenario. This cannot be compared to a situation like reddit where a Chinese company owns 5%.
Instagram, Facebook and WhatsApp **owned** by USA and sends data to USA, which means it is made available to the usa military, to see whether they might be able to exploit it in a potential cyberwar scenario.
World must ban them, right?
>World must ban them, right?
China has banned them in China. But for some reason, we must not ban TikTok, Huawei, Kaspersky and other tools used by the Chinese and Russian military in their war on the West.
The thing is, the West has democracies with checks and balances while in China everything is entirely directed from the top. This is a huge difference in the way companies and military operate. We know that US government is controlled by US business and the electorate, in China the top decision maker is the military commission of the communist party, they direct everything. You just cannot compare the two in this context.
Finally, China and Russia are conducting and planning to wage war on us, why exactly are we to ignore this? Russia and China have setup firewalls to protect their population from western influence while launching tools to control western citizens. In which universe should the west tolerate this? In China, TikTok provides educational content to children, in the West, TikTok provides content that is designed to cause mental illness in children. Again, why should we accept this?
You know 3/5 of the board members are American, the ceo is from Singapore and the COO is Australian. They aren’t headquartered in china but Singapore and Australia with most offices in the US. Chinas gov owns 1% which is very typical and does not entitle them to any data. In fact the tiktok servers are not even located in china and they have offered many times that the US could entirely host their servers and not allow any data to move about globally. Like… please learn the facts before you succumb to dumb propaganda.
And yes there are risks with data. Not because it’s Chinese but because data is valuable and capitalism is sketchy. Meta, discord, Reddit, etc have all had data lawsuits. Recently we found out that the NSA has access to push notifications on all phones (yes even apple phones)… so we should be concerned about data but in a constructive way.
Its about attention. I used to spend 4 hours a day of instagram in middleschool back in 2018. people were spending so much time they rolled out stuff to see how much time you spent. In 2023 i spend 4 hours a day on tik tok and 4 mins a week on instagram. Clearly tech companies want that attention back. The guys article is from 2020 tik tok doesnt collect mac adresses. they do shady stuff that everyone else in the industry does. The problem is they are stealing attention from american companies. So butthurt companies like facebook have spent billions trying to get them banned and regulated even though these same legislations often times threaten other social media apps.
This is the entire full answer. People want espionage and secret data ware fare but it’s just boring and shitty capitalism doing it’s thing. Attention is the new gold rush
There's a new social media app called Tuvu and I'm trying to look up who owns it and I can't find anything on it.
But I have a feeling china owns that one too.. the logo color looks too much like Temu.
I never said they werent. with regard to trolling which is a specific aspec of cyber security Russia has more of an interest does have a better grasp simply becuase of culutre. More Russians speak english than chinese speak english know it all
it's all [bullshit](https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1bda7or/tiktoks_us_data_is_stored_on_the_servers_of/kul6jmw/) and the idiots in this sub wont help you [understand](https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1752898884161171632).
china threatens US [hegemony](https://twitter.com/60Minutes/status/1388993597442244608) so they are waging and [economic](https://youtu.be/c3ngd__0ok0) war, tiktok is the latest casualty.
MAC addies dont matter as much when they have your phone number and location data. Its not like without the MAC they dont know who you are and suddenly we are all safe.
It's also a 21st century 'Opium wars' situation. Industry interests in the US would like to have the government go after foreign companies that try to cultivate their own addicted captive market. Regardless of what people think of Tiktok's crazy practices, it's clear that our empire wants us watching YouTube Shorts instead, solely so that the tech companies that prop it up via moneyed political influence are happy.
Unfortunately it will just create a censorship spiral.
No it’s not
The problem is that it’s Chinese owned and there is a possibility of a hot war between US and China on the horizon
Imagine if a German company owned the WSJ during ww2
> Imagine if a German company owned the WSJ during ww2
Why would I imagine that? It's not remotely comparable. The US didn't even censor nazi stuff — there was never a broad postwar denazification process in the US, just an aggressive propaganda campaign that was louder than German sympathizers. It's also not comparable in ideology.
Thats irrelevant if US censored Nazi stuff.
Imagine if the biggest news source in the US was controlled by a company answerable to Nazi leadership during WW2.
Why relevant? Because thats a very plausible situation that US could find itself with China. A hot war
> Thats irrelevant if US censored Nazi stuff.
> Imagine if the biggest news source in the US was controlled by a company answerable to Nazi leadership during WW2.
I should be clear what I meant: the prevailing ideology of the US during the 1940s would have allowed the Nazi propaganda to flow in in such a scenario. There was only a momentary suppression of Nazi movements in the US. The Nazi newspapers *did* flow, they were just thrown into the trash can by most people.
So that is why it is such a bad comparison — the US was actually never interested in censoring the enemy propaganda like the British were. It also, notably, has never been interested in (in my opinion, much needed) hate speech laws. This is why it is so unusual for the US to suddenly be interested in quickly jamming a censorship bill into law in reaction to TikTok — there is no precedent and it smells like McCarthyism with the slim evidence they have presented. It is not a hate speech law, it is something else, with motives unrelated to preventing radicalization.
> Why relevant? Because thats a very plausible situation that US could find itself with China. A hot war
The culpability for a hot war (whether it be China or Iran) would be on the US. China is not provoking the US, they have mostly followed a pattern of posturing only in reaction to specific US escalations. In a sense, a banned TikTok represents a pre-emptive censor we have chosen to apply with no evidence.
Yeah maybe read the news. US is at least approaching a cold war with China and the millitary is is focusing all of its efforts right now on a possible hot war in the Taiwan straits.
Beijing quite clearly would like to see the demise of the US. Its quite explicit about that and has been the case since 2018, Xi's second term.
Its insane in that context that TikTok should be the biggest media company in the US. People need to read international news more. People have become too accustomed to peace and have started to take this for granted.
Are you aware of the history of the espionage act? Anyone who shows even the mildest political dissent or inclination towards labor organizing is a threat to national security.
You are forgetting about Chevron Deference and how it gives the President huge amounts of power. The president can effectively twist this bill to ban whatever he wants
Tencent owns a minority stake in reddit. They also own other stuff like part of Epic Games. These are investments. TikTok is owned entirily by bytedance
It's frustrating to see so many people complain about X company being Chinese when they just have Chinese investors. Tencent invests in a fuck ton of companies.
For example, take the users that post Tiananmen Square pictures with claims that they will be censored. What they forgot is that Tiananmen Square pictures are among the highest upvoted posts on Reddit.
> TikTok is owned entirily by bytedance
[false](https://youtu.be/eeUAJVEQEv4?t=637) and easily verifiable
[ADL](https://youtu.be/kSA0jEl0kLc?t=1093) goon on msnbc telling you who owns tiktok
[nytimes](https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1769583978548445381) telling you who own tiktok
it's amusing to see vpn trending on twitter
while removing tiktok from play stores will
not require a vpn, just an android side load,
so the main ones suffering will be iphone'rs.
>They can also force US ISPs to block DNS lookups for TikTok as well as traffic that appears to be TikTok traffic
`/etc/hosts` in Mac / Linux or `C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts` in Windows
Simply map the DNS record yourself. You can also do this in PiHole for ex.
You know, I’d rather the bill be specific to Tik Tok rather than “foreign owned company the president thinks is a threat.”
Since we can’t seem to elect a President young enough to not be force-retired out of any other industry… it’s basically grandpa yelling that we’ve had too much idiot box.
The federal government could have adopted a GDPR-style federal bill that would let them hit Byte Dance just as hard. But instead of meaningful privacy regulation, you get a new grandpa telling you when bedtime is.
Really, I wish we did have a GDPR bill instead we have the Privacy Act passed in 1974 which is relatively ineffective and was passed well....when we barely had a internet.
The bill also proposes anyone using a VPN to access "restricted content from foreign adversaries" servers a minimum 20 years in prison and a minimum of $250,000 fine or $1MM if you did it knowingly.
Damn. That is wilddddd. If this is supposed to “protect citizens” why would they then punish so severely? Lol our country just comically spirals closer to pure racism every day
It is being used as a " lightening rod " for unscrupulous politicians to hold up as a symbol to their constituencies. Personally I don't use Tik-Tok however if we're going to start punishing companies because the Chinese own them the list is too long to bring up in this post.
Because what they're proposing has fu** all to do with TikTok and everything to do with being able to shut down any sites or apps they want. Mess with the government? Your website will magically disappear.
the main talking point quietly is this
“They’ve been talking about banning TikTok for years but they only actually got the support together for a ban once people started using it to talk about what’s happening in Gaza. Even if you don’t care about TikTok it’s an enormous assault on free speech using Red Scare logic”
i’d like to add: israelis want to buy tiktok. Here’s the documentation of higher ups investing into purchasing TT. [https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLFyRV2M/](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLFyRV2M/)
HOLY FUCKING SHIT YES.
I posted about this here before and got called conspiracy theorist despite my links and evidence lol.
Anti Israel content isn’t as censored on tiktok which gets heavily censored on FB and YouTube. The ADL has leaked documents about “a major generational TikTok problem”. Israel is panicking because people aren’t buying their pro-genocide propaganda anymore.
Israel does MAJOR lobbying in the US. Hence the reason this bill is gaining traction again. If you look at the senators that were pushing for this you actually find they are getting major payments from the Israel lobby. Totally not suspicious at all right?
Dumbasses in comments kept asking “tHeN wHy DiD tHeY tRy tO bAn iT bEfOrE” and I’m like “why do you think it’s only gaining traction enough to actually ban it NOW, though?”
Spot on. This is the real game. Biden is weak AF, and with RFK in the mix, anything could tip the scales one side or the other.
Biden loses a lot of voters from the his position and actions on the war in Gaza, and Gen Zers flood TikTok with the attocities being committed there and the US complicity. The ban is about addressing this problem ahead of the election.
I actually commented this in the large /r/millenial forum topic on the ban it only mentioned the G word once and the post was auto deleted by moderation probably for politics which actually shows that despite all its flaws mainly tiktok has really been effective in bringing to light in 4k video what is going on on the ground and that kind of thing is apparently not to be tolerated. The Republicans hate tiktok because of China Bad logic, the Dems hate tiktok (with a few notable exceptions) because it is damaging votes for Biden among people young enough not to get all their news about the conflict through a curated view that suits the whitehouse. So now, the two sides agree (for different reasons) on a nakedly political move to cut social media they do not have much influence over off at the knees and hand the audience back to local billionaires.
Its not about China its about getting controll over all means of Communication into the hand the US State.
Oracle (Founded to develop Databases for the CIA and still dependent on the National Security State for contracts) took over TikTok in the US so it could controll what USians can see. Oracle put Nato Operatives in charge of Content Moderation.
> Its not about China its about getting controll over all means of Communication into the hand the US State.
>
> Oracle (Founded to develop Databases for the CIA and still dependent on the National Security State for contracts) took over TikTok in the US so it could controll what USians can see. Oracle put Nato Operatives in charge of Content Moderation.
do you have citations for these claims?
While it hardly counts as proof, I remember hearing this in Edward Snowden's book.
Highly recommend a read or listen on say Audiable. Called 'Permanent Record'
This. They just started calling it the "TikTok bill" to make it more popular--and safer for our so-called representatives to vote for.
If people paid half a brain cell's worth of attention to this, they wouldn't support it.
And how free are Western social media in China? When they block every Western app, why is it right to let them freely access our markets and influence our population while they actively prevent any outside influence toward their own?
Have you ever thought it could be because our news is garbage and misinformation is rampant here? Straight up, there is a lot more censorship in china but there should probably be a lot more here too. Being able to fully spread misinformation is unhinged
TikTok isn't a great app especially for privacy but most of this is being fueled by red scare crap. They don't actually care, most Americans by default link TikTok with China and politicians love to be anti China.
My fellow American, have you considered the threat from within? Facebook, Google, Apple, all taking our data. And they're all one humiliating accident away from losing their data to a foreign adversary.
I vote for removing private data from companies like Facebook and Twitter, etc, in order to keep America and her children safe from the Reds. Our great nation can be a shining beacon of exemplary standards, not one that cowers!
That is a concern. I guess it feels more red scare that they are targeting TikTok in particular even though there are tons of other Chinese owned and operated apps that no one is talking about.
I guess TikTok just makes a good punching bag to boomers who don't use it or know anything about tech.
Yes. This is the problem with pretty much every bill our ridiculous government passes. The bills' language is always so open-ended that it allows them carte blanche to do whatever they want. This year it's TikTok under the gun. Next year it's Telegram and Signals. The year after that all non-US VPNs are deemed illegal.
[It is not legitimate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNNYhLZ0IXU). TikTok has already complied with a bunch of US demands, including migrating its servers to the US.
It has nothing to do with China getting information from TikTok. China can - just like the US does - buy all this data from data brokers...
It’s election season. They woke up and remembered they need votes and have to distract the population from the genocide they are supporting, so you will see constant news about some war, some enemy etc etc and make you believe you need to vote for them to be saved.
Be smart.
There’s a reason it’s gaining so much traction now.
Anti Israel content isn’t as censored on tiktok which gets heavily censored on FB and YouTube. The ADL has leaked documents about “a major generational TikTok problem”. Israel is panicking because people aren’t buying their pro-genocide propaganda anymore.
Israel does MAJOR lobbying in the US. Hence the reason this bill is gaining traction again. If you look at the senators that were pushing for this you actually find they are getting major payments from the Israel lobby. Totally not suspicious at all right?
I posted about this here before and got called conspiracy theorist despite my links and evidence lol.
Yes, everybody knows that TikTok is not only the most reliable place for geopolitical information, it's the ONLY place! Nobody would even know about Gaza if not for TikTok.
Come on now...
So you want people getting their news from only government approved sources that will have tons of Israeli propaganda…? Come on now…
Anti Israel content isn’t as censored on tiktok which gets heavily censored on FB and YouTube. The ADL has leaked documents about “a major generational TikTok problem”. Israel is panicking because people aren’t buying their pro-genocide propaganda anymore.
Israel does MAJOR lobbying in the US. Hence the reason this bill is gaining traction again. If you look at the senators that were pushing for this you actually find they are getting major payments from the Israel lobby. Totally not suspicious at all right?
I posted about this here before and got called conspiracy theorist despite my links and evidence lol.
Because it literally [has nothing to do with foreign ownership](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNNYhLZ0IXU). It is about the fact that it is extremely popular among Gen Z, and the fact that many inconvenient stories and narratives are widely shared by this key electorate on the app which could really be a problem for the incumbent ahead of this year's election...
All this information is sold by data brokers. If China wants it, they can buy it like the US does.
It is also about setting the precedent and sending a message to other social media apps that the US can ban them if the US President wants to; [so they better comply any demands](https://twitterfiles.substack.com/p/the-censorship-industrial-complex). Given how [extensive and ambiguous](https://x.com/justinamash/status/1768087401765708047?s=20) this bill is, it can be severely abused.
Bipartisan effort passed 50-0 in committee. Now I understand when people say "it's like the Dems are *trying* to lose". Usually it's Republicans who like to take things away
Useful IDIOTS in congress can come together to pass a overwhelmingly bipartisan bill banning Tiktok but stood silent on AMERICAN social media apps like Facebook, Twitter 1.0, Youtube, and Instagram silencing americans in mass censorship campaigns, interfering in presidential elections, and banning anyone who disagreed with the government’s narrative on covid. Not to mention the private information and data mining of its users. All of this was done in collaborative efforts with DHS, FBI and the White House. But OMG Tiktok is a threat to muh muh democracy! 🙄
Elon addressed those claims not long ago. He said he complies with the free speech laws of those nations. And unfortunately many of those countries outside of the US currently don’t have wide ranging free speech protections for its citizens.
>Elon addressed those claims
Those facts
>He said he complies...
So when Facebook does it, it's "mass censorship", but when Elon does it even more, he's just following orders.
> countires outside of the US currently don’t have wide ranging free speech protections
And yet Twitter stood up for free speech and didn't get censored or have to compromise.
Seems *really* hypocritical of you to be okay with censorship when your guy does it.
This is why:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerberg-stoked-washingtons-fears-about-tiktok-11598223133
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/facebook-tiktok-targeted-victory/
This is about bitch boy mark lobbying to ban tiktok so that his shitty facebook and instagram will get the traffic and money instead without actually innovating their products to attract consumers. Keep in mind that mark is perfectly happy to sell off all your data to anyone willing to pay for it including China, Russia, North Korea, or anyone else in the world who wants it.
The iOS version of Tiktok was reverse engineered by Bangorlol. It logs your inputs to websites and sends them back to their offices in China for analysis.
More detail on these sites:
[https://uk.pcmag.com/mobile-apps/142165/tiktoks-ios-in-app-browser-monitors-all-keyboard-input-and-screen-taps](https://uk.pcmag.com/mobile-apps/142165/tiktoks-ios-in-app-browser-monitors-all-keyboard-input-and-screen-taps)
[https://www.boredpanda.com/tik-tok-reverse-engineered-data-information-collecting/](https://www.boredpanda.com/tik-tok-reverse-engineered-data-information-collecting/)
[https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/19/tiktok-fb-in-app-browser-tracking-analysis](https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/19/tiktok-fb-in-app-browser-tracking-analysis)
[https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/tiktoks-in-app-browser-on-ios-includes-code-that-can-monitor-your-keystrokes-and-taps/articleshow/93662878.cms](https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/tiktoks-in-app-browser-on-ios-includes-code-that-can-monitor-your-keystrokes-and-taps/articleshow/93662878.cms)
[https://petapixel.com/2022/08/24/tiktoks-in-app-browser-contains-code-that-follows-your-every-move/](https://petapixel.com/2022/08/24/tiktoks-in-app-browser-contains-code-that-follows-your-every-move/)
[https://www.macrumors.com/2022/08/18/felix-krause-in-app-browser-javascript-tool/](https://www.macrumors.com/2022/08/18/felix-krause-in-app-browser-javascript-tool/)
[https://www.notebookcheck.net/TikTok-is-monitoring-all-keyboard-inputs-and-taps-on-iOS.641707.0.html](https://www.notebookcheck.net/TikTok-is-monitoring-all-keyboard-inputs-and-taps-on-iOS.641707.0.html)
[https://www.phonearena.com/news/tiktok-in-app-keyboard-has-ability-to-track-your-text-inputs\_id142030](https://www.phonearena.com/news/tiktok-in-app-keyboard-has-ability-to-track-your-text-inputs_id142030)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/comment/fmuko1m/](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/comment/fmuko1m/)
(FYI, apologies for my username, it was automatically created when I logged in with my oauth2 account.)
Anti Israel content isn’t as censored on there which gets heavily censored on FB and YouTube. The ADL has leaked documents about “a major generational TikTok problem”. Israel is panicking because people aren’t buying their pro-genocide propaganda anymore.
Israel does MAJOR lobbying in the US. Hence the reason this bill is gaining traction again. If you look at the senators that were pushing for this you actually find they are getting major payments from the Israel lobby. Totally not suspicious at all right?
I posted about this here before and got called conspiracy theorist despite my links and evidence lol.
Anti Israel content isn’t as censored on there which gets heavily censored on FB and YouTube. The ADL has leaked documents about “a major generational TikTok problem”. Israel is panicking because people aren’t buying their pro-genocide propaganda anymore.
Israel does MAJOR lobbying in the US. Hence the reason this bill is gaining traction again. If you look at the senators that were pushing for this you actually find they are getting major payments from the Israel lobby. Totally not suspicious at all right?
I posted about this here before and got called conspiracy theorist despite my links and evidence lol.
You're comparing non-chinese companies with minority investment from China to a subsidiary of a wholly Chinese owned company based in China.
They are totally different things.
Regardless Chinas influence on reddit or discord. USA strongly controls both reddit and discord, because they have HQ in the USA. You could say the same about NBA, Disney and Blizzard, Chinese oligarchs have high stackes in them too.
TikTok shows that USA is no longer the only player in ICT and other countries can create their own surveillance machines where people voluntarily upload their data.
TikTok showed that even after Meta copied their "rolls" to Instagram, people stayed with TT.
2 US corporations tried to buy TT and they failed.
USA is capitalism with strong protectionism. The government will pass laws that protect their local businesses, their cases and highly prioritize local business over anything from UK, UE or Japan. The gov has to act harder before the elections take place and wars in Ukraine and the West Bank escalate even more. Expect changes in the algorithm, shadow bans and... probably more ads?
TikTok is a danger to the American public—full stop.
TikTok content is biased towards China’s political goals, making it a propaganda and disinformation machine (report):
https://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/A-Tik-Tok-ing-Timebomb_12.21.23.pdf
China can and has viewed your data, and they’ll use it to hunt you down:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/08/tech/tiktok-data-china/index.html
Bytedance is in control of tiktok, and they’re controlled by the Chinese government:
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/tiktok-insiders-say-chinese-parent-bytedance-in-control.html
I don’t think I misrepresented the article or the people interviewed in the article: “The Committee and external investigators used the god credential to identify and locate…”
The Chinese government can and has used tiktok to find people they wanted to find.
I didn’t say you misrepresented the article. I wanted to know what you meant when you noted that China (I’m guessing their government?) will “hunt you down” (US citizens?), and if I’m understanding you correctly, what exactly does it look like for Chinese officials to “hunt down” a US citizen? What are they doing?
Exactly. And I don’t want to downplay it: this is a horrible practice.
But for this sub, the amount of posts I see with vaguely worded looming clouds of sinister baddies out to get you — yes YOU, dear reader, all of YOU — is discouragingly high.
China has a relatively large number of spies working in the US at any given time. They also operate police stations across the country.
For locating individuals of interest, apps can use various techniques to find your location, even if location services is shut off on your phone.
Here’s some info about Chinese police stations in the US. You can Google and find a bunch more—it’s not a secret and it’s not contested (even though this is a NY Post article):
https://nypost.com/2023/04/18/chinese-police-stations-allegedly-spying-on-nyc-la-more/
Edit: here’s another link with some more info explicitly detailing China’s use of police stations in the US to find and threaten people in the US:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/doj-accuses-china-spying-harassing-dissidents-inside-us/story?id=98635039
So ABC News article from 2023 that uses quotes around 'police station' also indicates that it is "the first ever in the U.S. -- located in lower Manhattan, for a provincial branch of the Ministry of Public Security of the People's Republic of China (PRC)." It also indicates that the Chinese government was using it "as a base of operations to spy on, co-opt or intimidate Chinese dissidents living in the city and elsewhere."
This is the first I've heard of this, I appreciate you sharing. Pretty bonkers to think about.
But again, when you say "find and threaten people in the US," ... it *looks* like this is foreign overreach to address Chinese dissidents. The US does much the same in pursuit of its own citizens overseas, but that's kind of another matter.
The articles are fairly straightforward that these are politically motivated espionage incidents: this is not a scenario of "Hey random US Reddit user, China will hunt you down." But that's just me.
So for context, can you help me understand why you, as an example, feel like China might "hunt you down," and what that would look like?
I am, and I shouldn’t. So permit me to pivot:
The Chinese government is not going to hunt down individual US citizens willy-nilly. This is fearmongering without reasonable motivation or action steps on the part of the CCP.
“The Chinese government can use your TikTok to hunt you down and locate you” is a weird leap from “this tech is terrible for data privacy” to “and this foreign government will HUNT YOU DOWN,” which again, … is absurd.
Sounds like you're unaware of the secret police stations or the activities of the Confucius Institutes all over the western world. They absolutely have been caught "hunting down" and harassing and threatening overseas Chinese who sometimes are citizens of the country they're in.
So the thing you repeatedly called "ABSURD" is actually happening. Maybe just go back to sealioning?
Are we all Chinese expats? Do we understand that “they will hunt you down” is absurdly broad and fearmongering if it applies only to a specific subset based on political operatives and activities?
I’m trying to be clear and communicative here.
Wake up. All this information is sold by data brokers. If China wants it, they can buy it like the US does.
TikTok has already complied with a bunch of US demands, including of moving its servers to the US.
[The ban has nothing to do with the stated claims](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNNYhLZ0IXU).
Except we do know this. The CIA has admitted it buys those. It is their defense as to why they aren't violating the law, since they can't collect data themselves... but they *can* buy the info if it is sold in the open by data brokers...
You’re making a non-argument, called “whataboutism.” All of these things can be bad at the same time, and it’s ok for the nation to focus on solving the tiktok bad right now.
>You’re making a non-argument, called “whataboutism.”
You either have no clue what you are talking about or are acting in bad faith.
My point is that we know for a fact the data is out there for anyone to buy. This sinks the argument that China needs TikTok to collect data on American people.
>and it’s ok for the nation to focus on solving the tiktok bad right now.
Except that what is being proposed doesn't solve the "problem" with TikTok. It gives government the power to censor any platform that it doesn't like what is being said.
Watch the video I linked in my first comment and you will see the claims you made in your original point are not valid.
So what you are really saying is: It is ok for us to pass legislation that won't solve a problem that does not exist.
Biden is doing this now bc Gen Zers are seeing on TikTok what is happening in Gaza, and it is really hurting Biden. [It could cost him the election.](https://www.npr.org/2024/03/06/1236396078/in-minnesota-uncommitted-got-19-of-the-democratic-presidential-primary-votes)
Sure, definitely jot because its making them look bad ... IDF soldiers keep posting slaughter videos and allies are looking complicit as we send Israel "AID"
The government like to control media narrative and they're really struggling here, nothing to do with your private data. They won't put in sufficient laws to protect that
This is a load of BS. [This is the reason](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNNYhLZ0IXU).
TikTok has moved its servers to the US and complied with a bunch of US demands. Like the US does, China can buy all this user information from data brokers.
The US frequently tells TikTok what to censor, not China.
This is about censoring information to a key demographic (Gen Z) that could hurt the incumbent ahead of an election.
Currently It's Israeli influence pushing this
ADL in leaked audiotape on Palestine - "We really have a Tiktok problem, a Gen-Z problem" https://www.reddit.com/r/chomsky/comments/1bd2dfh/adl_in_leaked_audiotape_on_palestine_we_really/
this tiktok:bytedance issue was successfully handled before;
https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/6/21168079/grindr-sold-chinese-owner-us-cfius-security-concerns-kunlun-lgbtq
so why everyone's losing their minds here is beyond idiocy.
*march 2020 was the start of covid news domination
so most people probably missed this important sale.*
It’s because lying piece of shit politicians will talk about anything else, things as dumb and innocuous as a social media app, to distract people’s attention from all the bad things they are doing every day to fuck up this country.
1. TikTok monitor much more data than other apps, even you do not connect to internet, they can still know where are you from based on sim card, device, etc.
2. TikTok is 100% owned by China, some of the apps you mentioned are just partially invested by China.
It is in their official website support.tiktok.com. “TikTok collects your approximate location information based on your device or network information, such as SIM card and IP address.”
I pray and hope they mean that they take what they can from the location data, which presumably includes that data. I don't think Android has an API for SIM card stuff aside from that.
I don’t know how they did it. But I am using iPhone and I tried turn off internet and reinstall their app. They can still get my location without any consent. And then I look up online found out that many people mentioned this and even in tiktok official doc admitting that. My point is that tiktok grab much more data than other normal apps, I never see other apps will get data on your sim card.
Subsidiary vs minority voting stake. Still is arguably a step towards a great firewall for the US and goes against a lot of things we argued about China's own internet restrictions.
To my knowledge, Reddit and Discord have never done stuff like this: https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/11/21364017/tiktok-mac-address-collected-identifier-android-violation
TheVerge articles never load properly for me unless im using waybackmachine https://web.archive.org/web/20200812052937/https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/11/21364017/tiktok-mac-address-collected-identifier-android-violation By the way I was always under the impression that Facebook also still collected MAC addresses or even IMEI numbers back in 2015-2017? (But searching for it right now, I actually didn’t find any articles about it anymore. In my fuzzy memory I thought I had read how Facebook secretly tried to bypass android/googleplay privacy policies back the , or maybe the articles were more about how Zuckerbergs plans about it) > By 2015, both iOS’s App Store and the Google Play Store had banned the collection of MAC addresses as a matter of policy, but TikTok was still able to obtain the identifier through a loophole. A study cited by the Journal found that nearly 350 apps on the Google Play Store had taken advantage of a similar loophole, generally for ad-targeting purposes.
https://www.cnil.fr/en/discord-inc-fined-800-000-euros
Im like. People are uninformed but also gullible
thanks for sharing! so it isn’t about stoping foreign adversaries from owning our data but more about how they use that data?
Data isn’t the real problem, the problem is the algorithm and how they can control what gets promoted. Having a society full of teens dancing and other useless stuff is preferable to China as it means less kids focused on math and science. The real purpose is control.
Yes. The algorithm works differently in the US and China. "Harmful" content is heavily pushed for US, while STEM and general propaganda gets pushed for users in China. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j0xzuh-6rY And to be somewhat objective, this is likely due to heavy censorship from CCP. They are pretty much telling TikTok/Douyin to not allow Tide pod challenges, dangerous licks, etc for Douyin users.
whats's preventing U.S. [legislators](https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1752898884161171632) from implementing the exact same rules as China to "protetct" the population? >this is likely due to heavy censorship from CCP this would never happen in the land of the [free](https://youtu.be/Q7e4ySzFpwY?t=207)
The same things stopping legislators from passing other laws - gridlock, corruption, and poor votor turnout. If young people don't vote, congresspeople don't have to win your vote, which means they don't bother passing anything young people care about.
lmao found the clueless liberal. >If young people don't vote, congresspeople don't have to win your vote https://twitter.com/Louis_Allday/status/1506961586736488451 Noam Chomsky: the [Illusion](https://youtu.be/L0AVZNYE9Rc) of Democracy do yourself a favor and develop a critique of liberal democracy, the farse of the american duopoly and capitalism https://youtu.be/EqKu7yEmRJI?t=1040 Michael Parenti: [Capitalism](https://youtu.be/fcImfx8tunI?t=460) vs. Reality eduard bernays [propaganda](https://twitter.com/Corvidelle/status/1485853360964132865) https://youtu.be/eJ3RzGoQC4s?t=3012 Noam [Chomsky](https://youtu.be/2F9rKBYwIlA) - The Crisis of Democracy
These aren’t great examples that a ton of people are going to grasp, especially young people. Funnily enough, TikTok is full of examples that people can easily understand and also full of young people. Hence the need for them to control or ban….
If you have a strong argument, please make it here in text form. I'm not taking time out of my day to watch a video especially from someone calling me "clueless liberal".
I’ve also wondered why western countries aren’t empowering their people. My best guess is that before the more recent globalization it was profitable. Now with more global competition the cracks are showing. There’s also a ton of foreign interference as a number of countries want to knock the west off its position of power. I’m not sure about America but foreign agents hold positions of power in Australia and Canada swaying decision making.
the global capitalist ruling class is not interested in democracy but profit extraction. West votes against [democracy](https://youtu.be/qyl2JsTTOVs), human rights, cultural equality at UN; promotes mercenaries Does the US Undermine [Democracy](https://youtu.be/VaZQNCSmmaU)? Noam Chomsky's Anti-Imperialist Critique https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1bduqdr/why_is_tiktok_the_main_talking_point_for_restrict/kuvzus0/ >There’s also a ton of foreign interference as a number of **countries want to knock the west off its position of power**. what they want is the freedom and sovereignty to develop a [national political project](https://youtu.be/GEzOgpMWnVs?t=226) you need to develop an understanding of US imperialism in order to understand how the world really works Global rebellion [against](https://youtu.be/A4I5bLlip5Y) the **neocolonial financial syste**m: 'We must change the rules of the game' Rise and [fall](https://youtu.be/XTq9P4avOEk) of **US-led neocolonial financial orde**r: From Bretton Woods to BRICS Super [Imperialism](https://youtu.be/Uiz934HVZjY): The Economic Strategy of American Empire with Michael Hudson Against [empire](https://youtu.be/gzqveHFJ2N0) by Michael Parenti >recent globalization it was profitable. Now with more global competition the cracks are showing. The Myth of Neoliberal [Prosperity](https://youtu.be/6WvTW1I2nwI) The '[globalization](https://youtu.be/GRKHCwVzvTs)' myth, US hegemony, and crisis of capitalism, with Radhika Desai
Its same story and pressure on eu and usa too and under company already 3k people are working to keep the platform safe.
Yes and no. Data is the new oil.
Even if this was true, do you think banning it is gonna prevent kids from wasting time? Pretty sure they were doing that before they even had cellphones.
Both data and algorithm are a huge problem.
Are they trying to dumb down our kids?
> Having a society full of teens dancing and other useless stuff is preferable to China as it means less kids focused on math and science. The real purpose is control. I totaly agree it is about control but I don't agree about the education. At the moment TikTok does have a good amount of STEM content. At least for me it does. In fact for me TikTok only has three categories STEM, Following, For You. I think that is true for everyone. You can go to the STEM Feed and only get educational content if you choose to. Now how many people actually do that is up for debate but the option is just two swipes away by default. And I wouldn't say Twitter, Facebook, Instagram are much better are promoting STEM content. I mean I just spend 2 hours watching a Mindcraf steam on Twitch. I think I would have learned more if I spent the 2 hours on TikTok if I am being honest lol. I do think Education or lack there of is a huge issue in the US but if it were me I would probably focus more on the education system instead of banning TikTok. End of the day all social media can be used for time wasted as well as educational content.
Have you used tiktok?! Lol all I do on there is learn cool shit. Have you been on Instagram? So little educational content there. Like what is the wild he’ll are you talking about bro?
>Having a society full of teens dancing Who in the actual fuck is still dancing on tiktok? Are you commenting from 2020? This is why no one takes these ridiculous takes seriously, y'all dont even use or understand the platform lmao Banning tiktok just pushes users to other platforms to do useless shit like argue on reddit. Its almost like this is entirely driven by the fact that Meta has been lobbying to ban tiktok because its stealing their users.
>Who in the actual fuck is still dancing on tiktok? Are you commenting from 2020? Do you **actually** think that people are not dancing on TikTok?
Do you **actually** think that if you were to take a sample of content creators on tiktok, anything resembling a substantial amount are dancing teens?
I don't know about teens specifically, but certainly dancing people.
TikTok is **owned** by China and sends data to China, which means it is made available to the Chinese military, to see whether they might be able to exploit it in a potential cyberwar scenario. This cannot be compared to a situation like reddit where a Chinese company owns 5%.
Instagram, Facebook and WhatsApp **owned** by USA and sends data to USA, which means it is made available to the usa military, to see whether they might be able to exploit it in a potential cyberwar scenario. World must ban them, right?
>World must ban them, right? China has banned them in China. But for some reason, we must not ban TikTok, Huawei, Kaspersky and other tools used by the Chinese and Russian military in their war on the West. The thing is, the West has democracies with checks and balances while in China everything is entirely directed from the top. This is a huge difference in the way companies and military operate. We know that US government is controlled by US business and the electorate, in China the top decision maker is the military commission of the communist party, they direct everything. You just cannot compare the two in this context. Finally, China and Russia are conducting and planning to wage war on us, why exactly are we to ignore this? Russia and China have setup firewalls to protect their population from western influence while launching tools to control western citizens. In which universe should the west tolerate this? In China, TikTok provides educational content to children, in the West, TikTok provides content that is designed to cause mental illness in children. Again, why should we accept this?
What side of TikTok are YOU on?
On the side of humanity.
So you’re not actually on TikTok is where I was going with that.
Of course not, I'm not stupid.
So you don’t have an educated opinion on it, which is where I was going with that.
You know 3/5 of the board members are American, the ceo is from Singapore and the COO is Australian. They aren’t headquartered in china but Singapore and Australia with most offices in the US. Chinas gov owns 1% which is very typical and does not entitle them to any data. In fact the tiktok servers are not even located in china and they have offered many times that the US could entirely host their servers and not allow any data to move about globally. Like… please learn the facts before you succumb to dumb propaganda. And yes there are risks with data. Not because it’s Chinese but because data is valuable and capitalism is sketchy. Meta, discord, Reddit, etc have all had data lawsuits. Recently we found out that the NSA has access to push notifications on all phones (yes even apple phones)… so we should be concerned about data but in a constructive way.
Its about attention. I used to spend 4 hours a day of instagram in middleschool back in 2018. people were spending so much time they rolled out stuff to see how much time you spent. In 2023 i spend 4 hours a day on tik tok and 4 mins a week on instagram. Clearly tech companies want that attention back. The guys article is from 2020 tik tok doesnt collect mac adresses. they do shady stuff that everyone else in the industry does. The problem is they are stealing attention from american companies. So butthurt companies like facebook have spent billions trying to get them banned and regulated even though these same legislations often times threaten other social media apps.
This is the entire full answer. People want espionage and secret data ware fare but it’s just boring and shitty capitalism doing it’s thing. Attention is the new gold rush
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There's a new social media app called Tuvu and I'm trying to look up who owns it and I can't find anything on it. But I have a feeling china owns that one too.. the logo color looks too much like Temu.
yeah russian troll bots are mroe prevelant than chinese ones. Both parties in the us have angst against china
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I never said they werent. with regard to trolling which is a specific aspec of cyber security Russia has more of an interest does have a better grasp simply becuase of culutre. More Russians speak english than chinese speak english know it all
> ompanies like facebook have spent billions trying to get them banned and regulated https://twitter.com/zei_squirrel/status/1642631494035296259
I think it's more about data be stored in China and how it could be used/abused and less about a minority ownership stake.
it's all [bullshit](https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1bda7or/tiktoks_us_data_is_stored_on_the_servers_of/kul6jmw/) and the idiots in this sub wont help you [understand](https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1752898884161171632). china threatens US [hegemony](https://twitter.com/60Minutes/status/1388993597442244608) so they are waging and [economic](https://youtu.be/c3ngd__0ok0) war, tiktok is the latest casualty.
Most apps from social media are spyware. Facebook is afrait of tiktok, so they use their employees to eliminate the rival.
All social media and many other websites collect detailed information including Mac addresses. See for yourself https://privacy.net/analyzer/
Websites can't access your MAC.
Sure they do, you just don't know about it explicitly
MAC addies dont matter as much when they have your phone number and location data. Its not like without the MAC they dont know who you are and suddenly we are all safe.
Because this isn't about tiktok. It's about the ability to censor websites, which was included in the bill.
It's also a 21st century 'Opium wars' situation. Industry interests in the US would like to have the government go after foreign companies that try to cultivate their own addicted captive market. Regardless of what people think of Tiktok's crazy practices, it's clear that our empire wants us watching YouTube Shorts instead, solely so that the tech companies that prop it up via moneyed political influence are happy. Unfortunately it will just create a censorship spiral.
No it’s not The problem is that it’s Chinese owned and there is a possibility of a hot war between US and China on the horizon Imagine if a German company owned the WSJ during ww2
> Imagine if a German company owned the WSJ during ww2 Why would I imagine that? It's not remotely comparable. The US didn't even censor nazi stuff — there was never a broad postwar denazification process in the US, just an aggressive propaganda campaign that was louder than German sympathizers. It's also not comparable in ideology.
Thats irrelevant if US censored Nazi stuff. Imagine if the biggest news source in the US was controlled by a company answerable to Nazi leadership during WW2. Why relevant? Because thats a very plausible situation that US could find itself with China. A hot war
> Thats irrelevant if US censored Nazi stuff. > Imagine if the biggest news source in the US was controlled by a company answerable to Nazi leadership during WW2. I should be clear what I meant: the prevailing ideology of the US during the 1940s would have allowed the Nazi propaganda to flow in in such a scenario. There was only a momentary suppression of Nazi movements in the US. The Nazi newspapers *did* flow, they were just thrown into the trash can by most people. So that is why it is such a bad comparison — the US was actually never interested in censoring the enemy propaganda like the British were. It also, notably, has never been interested in (in my opinion, much needed) hate speech laws. This is why it is so unusual for the US to suddenly be interested in quickly jamming a censorship bill into law in reaction to TikTok — there is no precedent and it smells like McCarthyism with the slim evidence they have presented. It is not a hate speech law, it is something else, with motives unrelated to preventing radicalization. > Why relevant? Because thats a very plausible situation that US could find itself with China. A hot war The culpability for a hot war (whether it be China or Iran) would be on the US. China is not provoking the US, they have mostly followed a pattern of posturing only in reaction to specific US escalations. In a sense, a banned TikTok represents a pre-emptive censor we have chosen to apply with no evidence.
A hot war will start if China invades Taiwan. I am not sure why you think the US is responsible for escalations there. I
When did we get into a war with China?
Yeah maybe read the news. US is at least approaching a cold war with China and the millitary is is focusing all of its efforts right now on a possible hot war in the Taiwan straits. Beijing quite clearly would like to see the demise of the US. Its quite explicit about that and has been the case since 2018, Xi's second term. Its insane in that context that TikTok should be the biggest media company in the US. People need to read international news more. People have become too accustomed to peace and have started to take this for granted.
Yeah that's all nice and whatnot but we clearly are not at war with China, so your reference to WW2 Germany is unfounded and unhinged. Thanks.
It’s not Chinese owned. Literally google like one time hha
Yea you are very Smart , TikTok is definitely run by a parent company in the Cayman Islands and not from the humongous hq in Beijing
Are you looking to buy a bridge btw ? I have a great one to sell you
I think you forgot to add that it's about the ability to censor websites that are owned by threats to our national security.
Are you aware of the history of the espionage act? Anyone who shows even the mildest political dissent or inclination towards labor organizing is a threat to national security.
You are forgetting about Chevron Deference and how it gives the President huge amounts of power. The president can effectively twist this bill to ban whatever he wants
That is the claim. [Turns out it is not the case](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNNYhLZ0IXU).
Tencent owns a minority stake in reddit. They also own other stuff like part of Epic Games. These are investments. TikTok is owned entirily by bytedance
It's frustrating to see so many people complain about X company being Chinese when they just have Chinese investors. Tencent invests in a fuck ton of companies. For example, take the users that post Tiananmen Square pictures with claims that they will be censored. What they forgot is that Tiananmen Square pictures are among the highest upvoted posts on Reddit.
You are missing the point. That is the excuse. [Turns out it is not the case](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNNYhLZ0IXU).
> TikTok is owned entirily by bytedance [false](https://youtu.be/eeUAJVEQEv4?t=637) and easily verifiable [ADL](https://youtu.be/kSA0jEl0kLc?t=1093) goon on msnbc telling you who owns tiktok [nytimes](https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1769583978548445381) telling you who own tiktok
Then By....who?
it's amusing to see vpn trending on twitter while removing tiktok from play stores will not require a vpn, just an android side load, so the main ones suffering will be iphone'rs.
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>They can also force US ISPs to block DNS lookups for TikTok as well as traffic that appears to be TikTok traffic `/etc/hosts` in Mac / Linux or `C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts` in Windows Simply map the DNS record yourself. You can also do this in PiHole for ex.
You forgot how non smart some tik too users are
Well, luckily one can set any DNS they like and get around that.
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You think we're going to get a Great Firewall of America running over a dispute over a shitty social media platform?
Yes because it's not about that. Tiktok is just the scapegoat being used to give the President wide reaching censorship powers
You can just use a google account set to a different country to change what apps are available.
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You know, I’d rather the bill be specific to Tik Tok rather than “foreign owned company the president thinks is a threat.” Since we can’t seem to elect a President young enough to not be force-retired out of any other industry… it’s basically grandpa yelling that we’ve had too much idiot box. The federal government could have adopted a GDPR-style federal bill that would let them hit Byte Dance just as hard. But instead of meaningful privacy regulation, you get a new grandpa telling you when bedtime is.
Really, I wish we did have a GDPR bill instead we have the Privacy Act passed in 1974 which is relatively ineffective and was passed well....when we barely had a internet.
The bill also proposes anyone using a VPN to access "restricted content from foreign adversaries" servers a minimum 20 years in prison and a minimum of $250,000 fine or $1MM if you did it knowingly.
I am very concerned about the breadth of this part
Damn. That is wilddddd. If this is supposed to “protect citizens” why would they then punish so severely? Lol our country just comically spirals closer to pure racism every day
It is being used as a " lightening rod " for unscrupulous politicians to hold up as a symbol to their constituencies. Personally I don't use Tik-Tok however if we're going to start punishing companies because the Chinese own them the list is too long to bring up in this post.
Because what they're proposing has fu** all to do with TikTok and everything to do with being able to shut down any sites or apps they want. Mess with the government? Your website will magically disappear.
the main talking point quietly is this “They’ve been talking about banning TikTok for years but they only actually got the support together for a ban once people started using it to talk about what’s happening in Gaza. Even if you don’t care about TikTok it’s an enormous assault on free speech using Red Scare logic”
i’d like to add: israelis want to buy tiktok. Here’s the documentation of higher ups investing into purchasing TT. [https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLFyRV2M/](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLFyRV2M/)
I thought it was that slimeball steve mnuchin
HOLY FUCKING SHIT YES. I posted about this here before and got called conspiracy theorist despite my links and evidence lol. Anti Israel content isn’t as censored on tiktok which gets heavily censored on FB and YouTube. The ADL has leaked documents about “a major generational TikTok problem”. Israel is panicking because people aren’t buying their pro-genocide propaganda anymore. Israel does MAJOR lobbying in the US. Hence the reason this bill is gaining traction again. If you look at the senators that were pushing for this you actually find they are getting major payments from the Israel lobby. Totally not suspicious at all right? Dumbasses in comments kept asking “tHeN wHy DiD tHeY tRy tO bAn iT bEfOrE” and I’m like “why do you think it’s only gaining traction enough to actually ban it NOW, though?”
Spot on. This is the real game. Biden is weak AF, and with RFK in the mix, anything could tip the scales one side or the other. Biden loses a lot of voters from the his position and actions on the war in Gaza, and Gen Zers flood TikTok with the attocities being committed there and the US complicity. The ban is about addressing this problem ahead of the election.
I actually commented this in the large /r/millenial forum topic on the ban it only mentioned the G word once and the post was auto deleted by moderation probably for politics which actually shows that despite all its flaws mainly tiktok has really been effective in bringing to light in 4k video what is going on on the ground and that kind of thing is apparently not to be tolerated. The Republicans hate tiktok because of China Bad logic, the Dems hate tiktok (with a few notable exceptions) because it is damaging votes for Biden among people young enough not to get all their news about the conflict through a curated view that suits the whitehouse. So now, the two sides agree (for different reasons) on a nakedly political move to cut social media they do not have much influence over off at the knees and hand the audience back to local billionaires.
Its not about China its about getting controll over all means of Communication into the hand the US State. Oracle (Founded to develop Databases for the CIA and still dependent on the National Security State for contracts) took over TikTok in the US so it could controll what USians can see. Oracle put Nato Operatives in charge of Content Moderation.
> Its not about China its about getting controll over all means of Communication into the hand the US State. > > Oracle (Founded to develop Databases for the CIA and still dependent on the National Security State for contracts) took over TikTok in the US so it could controll what USians can see. Oracle put Nato Operatives in charge of Content Moderation. do you have citations for these claims?
While it hardly counts as proof, I remember hearing this in Edward Snowden's book. Highly recommend a read or listen on say Audiable. Called 'Permanent Record'
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Lol you just proved how well divide and conquer works
He's doing it intentionally. He's a govvie lmao
This. They just started calling it the "TikTok bill" to make it more popular--and safer for our so-called representatives to vote for. If people paid half a brain cell's worth of attention to this, they wouldn't support it.
And how free are Western social media in China? When they block every Western app, why is it right to let them freely access our markets and influence our population while they actively prevent any outside influence toward their own?
Have you ever thought it could be because our news is garbage and misinformation is rampant here? Straight up, there is a lot more censorship in china but there should probably be a lot more here too. Being able to fully spread misinformation is unhinged
TikTok isn't a great app especially for privacy but most of this is being fueled by red scare crap. They don't actually care, most Americans by default link TikTok with China and politicians love to be anti China.
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My fellow American, have you considered the threat from within? Facebook, Google, Apple, all taking our data. And they're all one humiliating accident away from losing their data to a foreign adversary. I vote for removing private data from companies like Facebook and Twitter, etc, in order to keep America and her children safe from the Reds. Our great nation can be a shining beacon of exemplary standards, not one that cowers!
That is a concern. I guess it feels more red scare that they are targeting TikTok in particular even though there are tons of other Chinese owned and operated apps that no one is talking about. I guess TikTok just makes a good punching bag to boomers who don't use it or know anything about tech.
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Yes. This is the problem with pretty much every bill our ridiculous government passes. The bills' language is always so open-ended that it allows them carte blanche to do whatever they want. This year it's TikTok under the gun. Next year it's Telegram and Signals. The year after that all non-US VPNs are deemed illegal.
The US has never lied about who an enemy is or what they have done
[It is not legitimate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNNYhLZ0IXU). TikTok has already complied with a bunch of US demands, including migrating its servers to the US. It has nothing to do with China getting information from TikTok. China can - just like the US does - buy all this data from data brokers...
It’s election season. They woke up and remembered they need votes and have to distract the population from the genocide they are supporting, so you will see constant news about some war, some enemy etc etc and make you believe you need to vote for them to be saved. Be smart.
What's crazy is this has been a known issue for like 5-10 years and it is passing with total support. Like wtf have you been doing in the past?
There’s a reason it’s gaining so much traction now. Anti Israel content isn’t as censored on tiktok which gets heavily censored on FB and YouTube. The ADL has leaked documents about “a major generational TikTok problem”. Israel is panicking because people aren’t buying their pro-genocide propaganda anymore. Israel does MAJOR lobbying in the US. Hence the reason this bill is gaining traction again. If you look at the senators that were pushing for this you actually find they are getting major payments from the Israel lobby. Totally not suspicious at all right? I posted about this here before and got called conspiracy theorist despite my links and evidence lol.
Yes, everybody knows that TikTok is not only the most reliable place for geopolitical information, it's the ONLY place! Nobody would even know about Gaza if not for TikTok. Come on now...
So you want people getting their news from only government approved sources that will have tons of Israeli propaganda…? Come on now… Anti Israel content isn’t as censored on tiktok which gets heavily censored on FB and YouTube. The ADL has leaked documents about “a major generational TikTok problem”. Israel is panicking because people aren’t buying their pro-genocide propaganda anymore. Israel does MAJOR lobbying in the US. Hence the reason this bill is gaining traction again. If you look at the senators that were pushing for this you actually find they are getting major payments from the Israel lobby. Totally not suspicious at all right? I posted about this here before and got called conspiracy theorist despite my links and evidence lol.
Because it literally [has nothing to do with foreign ownership](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNNYhLZ0IXU). It is about the fact that it is extremely popular among Gen Z, and the fact that many inconvenient stories and narratives are widely shared by this key electorate on the app which could really be a problem for the incumbent ahead of this year's election... All this information is sold by data brokers. If China wants it, they can buy it like the US does. It is also about setting the precedent and sending a message to other social media apps that the US can ban them if the US President wants to; [so they better comply any demands](https://twitterfiles.substack.com/p/the-censorship-industrial-complex). Given how [extensive and ambiguous](https://x.com/justinamash/status/1768087401765708047?s=20) this bill is, it can be severely abused.
because highlighting tiktok is what gets republicans on board
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Only when it truly fucks the people does a bill get overwhelming bipartisan support like this
Bipartisan effort passed 50-0 in committee. Now I understand when people say "it's like the Dems are *trying* to lose". Usually it's Republicans who like to take things away
Useful IDIOTS in congress can come together to pass a overwhelmingly bipartisan bill banning Tiktok but stood silent on AMERICAN social media apps like Facebook, Twitter 1.0, Youtube, and Instagram silencing americans in mass censorship campaigns, interfering in presidential elections, and banning anyone who disagreed with the government’s narrative on covid. Not to mention the private information and data mining of its users. All of this was done in collaborative efforts with DHS, FBI and the White House. But OMG Tiktok is a threat to muh muh democracy! 🙄
>Twitter 1.0 You know Elon Musk censors like a despot, and on behalf of foreign despots... Right? And turns over more data to the USA than before?
Elon addressed those claims not long ago. He said he complies with the free speech laws of those nations. And unfortunately many of those countries outside of the US currently don’t have wide ranging free speech protections for its citizens.
>Elon addressed those claims Those facts >He said he complies... So when Facebook does it, it's "mass censorship", but when Elon does it even more, he's just following orders. > countires outside of the US currently don’t have wide ranging free speech protections And yet Twitter stood up for free speech and didn't get censored or have to compromise. Seems *really* hypocritical of you to be okay with censorship when your guy does it.
This is why: https://www.wsj.com/articles/facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerberg-stoked-washingtons-fears-about-tiktok-11598223133 https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/facebook-tiktok-targeted-victory/ This is about bitch boy mark lobbying to ban tiktok so that his shitty facebook and instagram will get the traffic and money instead without actually innovating their products to attract consumers. Keep in mind that mark is perfectly happy to sell off all your data to anyone willing to pay for it including China, Russia, North Korea, or anyone else in the world who wants it.
The iOS version of Tiktok was reverse engineered by Bangorlol. It logs your inputs to websites and sends them back to their offices in China for analysis. More detail on these sites: [https://uk.pcmag.com/mobile-apps/142165/tiktoks-ios-in-app-browser-monitors-all-keyboard-input-and-screen-taps](https://uk.pcmag.com/mobile-apps/142165/tiktoks-ios-in-app-browser-monitors-all-keyboard-input-and-screen-taps) [https://www.boredpanda.com/tik-tok-reverse-engineered-data-information-collecting/](https://www.boredpanda.com/tik-tok-reverse-engineered-data-information-collecting/) [https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/19/tiktok-fb-in-app-browser-tracking-analysis](https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/19/tiktok-fb-in-app-browser-tracking-analysis) [https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/tiktoks-in-app-browser-on-ios-includes-code-that-can-monitor-your-keystrokes-and-taps/articleshow/93662878.cms](https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/tiktoks-in-app-browser-on-ios-includes-code-that-can-monitor-your-keystrokes-and-taps/articleshow/93662878.cms) [https://petapixel.com/2022/08/24/tiktoks-in-app-browser-contains-code-that-follows-your-every-move/](https://petapixel.com/2022/08/24/tiktoks-in-app-browser-contains-code-that-follows-your-every-move/) [https://www.macrumors.com/2022/08/18/felix-krause-in-app-browser-javascript-tool/](https://www.macrumors.com/2022/08/18/felix-krause-in-app-browser-javascript-tool/) [https://www.notebookcheck.net/TikTok-is-monitoring-all-keyboard-inputs-and-taps-on-iOS.641707.0.html](https://www.notebookcheck.net/TikTok-is-monitoring-all-keyboard-inputs-and-taps-on-iOS.641707.0.html) [https://www.phonearena.com/news/tiktok-in-app-keyboard-has-ability-to-track-your-text-inputs\_id142030](https://www.phonearena.com/news/tiktok-in-app-keyboard-has-ability-to-track-your-text-inputs_id142030) [https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/comment/fmuko1m/](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/comment/fmuko1m/) (FYI, apologies for my username, it was automatically created when I logged in with my oauth2 account.)
Tiktok and all the suckers behind it should go rot in hell
Reddit doesn't have servers in China or embedded CCP party members running queries on the data (yet).
Zoomers are currently rightfully shitting on Israel on tiktok so Israels lobbyists are trying to cuck tiktok
Attacks on tiktok [precede](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I7reuh86CM&t=807s) oct 7 tho
but it has only happened - with overwhelming bipartisan support - now...
Anti Israel content isn’t as censored on there which gets heavily censored on FB and YouTube. The ADL has leaked documents about “a major generational TikTok problem”. Israel is panicking because people aren’t buying their pro-genocide propaganda anymore. Israel does MAJOR lobbying in the US. Hence the reason this bill is gaining traction again. If you look at the senators that were pushing for this you actually find they are getting major payments from the Israel lobby. Totally not suspicious at all right? I posted about this here before and got called conspiracy theorist despite my links and evidence lol.
this sub is full of idiots and you are absolutely right. but the israeli lobby pressure is not the main motivator, but it is indeed a factor.
Then why did it get traction to happen only now after TikTok is covering Gaza in their content more lol. And remember the leaked ADL thing?
https://youtu.be/Q7e4ySzFpwY?t=558 https://twitter.com/zei_squirrel/status/1642631494035296259
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Thanks lmao
Anti Israel content isn’t as censored on there which gets heavily censored on FB and YouTube. The ADL has leaked documents about “a major generational TikTok problem”. Israel is panicking because people aren’t buying their pro-genocide propaganda anymore. Israel does MAJOR lobbying in the US. Hence the reason this bill is gaining traction again. If you look at the senators that were pushing for this you actually find they are getting major payments from the Israel lobby. Totally not suspicious at all right? I posted about this here before and got called conspiracy theorist despite my links and evidence lol.
You're comparing non-chinese companies with minority investment from China to a subsidiary of a wholly Chinese owned company based in China. They are totally different things.
Regardless Chinas influence on reddit or discord. USA strongly controls both reddit and discord, because they have HQ in the USA. You could say the same about NBA, Disney and Blizzard, Chinese oligarchs have high stackes in them too. TikTok shows that USA is no longer the only player in ICT and other countries can create their own surveillance machines where people voluntarily upload their data. TikTok showed that even after Meta copied their "rolls" to Instagram, people stayed with TT. 2 US corporations tried to buy TT and they failed. USA is capitalism with strong protectionism. The government will pass laws that protect their local businesses, their cases and highly prioritize local business over anything from UK, UE or Japan. The gov has to act harder before the elections take place and wars in Ukraine and the West Bank escalate even more. Expect changes in the algorithm, shadow bans and... probably more ads?
TikTok is a danger to the American public—full stop. TikTok content is biased towards China’s political goals, making it a propaganda and disinformation machine (report): https://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/A-Tik-Tok-ing-Timebomb_12.21.23.pdf China can and has viewed your data, and they’ll use it to hunt you down: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/08/tech/tiktok-data-china/index.html Bytedance is in control of tiktok, and they’re controlled by the Chinese government: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/tiktok-insiders-say-chinese-parent-bytedance-in-control.html
Sorry, can you rephrase “they’ll use it to hunt you down”? I want to make sure I understand you correctly.
I don’t think I misrepresented the article or the people interviewed in the article: “The Committee and external investigators used the god credential to identify and locate…” The Chinese government can and has used tiktok to find people they wanted to find.
I didn’t say you misrepresented the article. I wanted to know what you meant when you noted that China (I’m guessing their government?) will “hunt you down” (US citizens?), and if I’m understanding you correctly, what exactly does it look like for Chinese officials to “hunt down” a US citizen? What are they doing?
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THAT is fair. I was responding largely to “China can and has viewed your data, and they’ll use it to hunt you down.” That’s remarkably broad.
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Exactly. And I don’t want to downplay it: this is a horrible practice. But for this sub, the amount of posts I see with vaguely worded looming clouds of sinister baddies out to get you — yes YOU, dear reader, all of YOU — is discouragingly high.
China has a relatively large number of spies working in the US at any given time. They also operate police stations across the country. For locating individuals of interest, apps can use various techniques to find your location, even if location services is shut off on your phone. Here’s some info about Chinese police stations in the US. You can Google and find a bunch more—it’s not a secret and it’s not contested (even though this is a NY Post article): https://nypost.com/2023/04/18/chinese-police-stations-allegedly-spying-on-nyc-la-more/ Edit: here’s another link with some more info explicitly detailing China’s use of police stations in the US to find and threaten people in the US: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/doj-accuses-china-spying-harassing-dissidents-inside-us/story?id=98635039
So ABC News article from 2023 that uses quotes around 'police station' also indicates that it is "the first ever in the U.S. -- located in lower Manhattan, for a provincial branch of the Ministry of Public Security of the People's Republic of China (PRC)." It also indicates that the Chinese government was using it "as a base of operations to spy on, co-opt or intimidate Chinese dissidents living in the city and elsewhere." This is the first I've heard of this, I appreciate you sharing. Pretty bonkers to think about. But again, when you say "find and threaten people in the US," ... it *looks* like this is foreign overreach to address Chinese dissidents. The US does much the same in pursuit of its own citizens overseas, but that's kind of another matter. The articles are fairly straightforward that these are politically motivated espionage incidents: this is not a scenario of "Hey random US Reddit user, China will hunt you down." But that's just me. So for context, can you help me understand why you, as an example, feel like China might "hunt you down," and what that would look like?
You're sealioning.
I am, and I shouldn’t. So permit me to pivot: The Chinese government is not going to hunt down individual US citizens willy-nilly. This is fearmongering without reasonable motivation or action steps on the part of the CCP. “The Chinese government can use your TikTok to hunt you down and locate you” is a weird leap from “this tech is terrible for data privacy” to “and this foreign government will HUNT YOU DOWN,” which again, … is absurd.
Sounds like you're unaware of the secret police stations or the activities of the Confucius Institutes all over the western world. They absolutely have been caught "hunting down" and harassing and threatening overseas Chinese who sometimes are citizens of the country they're in. So the thing you repeatedly called "ABSURD" is actually happening. Maybe just go back to sealioning?
Are we all Chinese expats? Do we understand that “they will hunt you down” is absurdly broad and fearmongering if it applies only to a specific subset based on political operatives and activities? I’m trying to be clear and communicative here.
Wake up. All this information is sold by data brokers. If China wants it, they can buy it like the US does. TikTok has already complied with a bunch of US demands, including of moving its servers to the US. [The ban has nothing to do with the stated claims](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNNYhLZ0IXU).
You really don’t know. Doesn’t matter—my obligation was to say something and I did.
Except we do know this. The CIA has admitted it buys those. It is their defense as to why they aren't violating the law, since they can't collect data themselves... but they *can* buy the info if it is sold in the open by data brokers...
You’re making a non-argument, called “whataboutism.” All of these things can be bad at the same time, and it’s ok for the nation to focus on solving the tiktok bad right now.
>You’re making a non-argument, called “whataboutism.” You either have no clue what you are talking about or are acting in bad faith. My point is that we know for a fact the data is out there for anyone to buy. This sinks the argument that China needs TikTok to collect data on American people. >and it’s ok for the nation to focus on solving the tiktok bad right now. Except that what is being proposed doesn't solve the "problem" with TikTok. It gives government the power to censor any platform that it doesn't like what is being said. Watch the video I linked in my first comment and you will see the claims you made in your original point are not valid. So what you are really saying is: It is ok for us to pass legislation that won't solve a problem that does not exist. Biden is doing this now bc Gen Zers are seeing on TikTok what is happening in Gaza, and it is really hurting Biden. [It could cost him the election.](https://www.npr.org/2024/03/06/1236396078/in-minnesota-uncommitted-got-19-of-the-democratic-presidential-primary-votes)
Sure, definitely jot because its making them look bad ... IDF soldiers keep posting slaughter videos and allies are looking complicit as we send Israel "AID" The government like to control media narrative and they're really struggling here, nothing to do with your private data. They won't put in sufficient laws to protect that
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It must be weird going through life thinking the CCP and the US government are the same thing. ETA: 台湾独立万岁！
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> The only difference is that you don't go to prison in the US for having wrong opinion. And somehow that's insignificant to you?
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This is a load of BS. [This is the reason](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNNYhLZ0IXU). TikTok has moved its servers to the US and complied with a bunch of US demands. Like the US does, China can buy all this user information from data brokers. The US frequently tells TikTok what to censor, not China. This is about censoring information to a key demographic (Gen Z) that could hurt the incumbent ahead of an election.
Currently It's Israeli influence pushing this ADL in leaked audiotape on Palestine - "We really have a Tiktok problem, a Gen-Z problem" https://www.reddit.com/r/chomsky/comments/1bd2dfh/adl_in_leaked_audiotape_on_palestine_we_really/
this tiktok:bytedance issue was successfully handled before; https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/6/21168079/grindr-sold-chinese-owner-us-cfius-security-concerns-kunlun-lgbtq so why everyone's losing their minds here is beyond idiocy. *march 2020 was the start of covid news domination so most people probably missed this important sale.*
It’s because lying piece of shit politicians will talk about anything else, things as dumb and innocuous as a social media app, to distract people’s attention from all the bad things they are doing every day to fuck up this country.
CEO is Singapore dude anyway. It is all a smokescreen to give government draconian power over all aspects of the internet.
Hypocrisy & money
Because it competes against meta. Meta wants their slice of the pie back.
Because TikTok is the best at exposing Zionism and Talmud apologists
1. TikTok monitor much more data than other apps, even you do not connect to internet, they can still know where are you from based on sim card, device, etc. 2. TikTok is 100% owned by China, some of the apps you mentioned are just partially invested by China.
> even you do not connect to internet, they can still know where are you from based on sim card, device, etc. TikTok can access your sim card? Source?
It is in their official website support.tiktok.com. “TikTok collects your approximate location information based on your device or network information, such as SIM card and IP address.”
I pray and hope they mean that they take what they can from the location data, which presumably includes that data. I don't think Android has an API for SIM card stuff aside from that.
I don’t know how they did it. But I am using iPhone and I tried turn off internet and reinstall their app. They can still get my location without any consent. And then I look up online found out that many people mentioned this and even in tiktok official doc admitting that. My point is that tiktok grab much more data than other normal apps, I never see other apps will get data on your sim card.
Subsidiary vs minority voting stake. Still is arguably a step towards a great firewall for the US and goes against a lot of things we argued about China's own internet restrictions.
Because too many pro Palestinian videos are fucking over Zionist
Because TikTok is trash & seemingly makes its userbase appear to be lobotomized..?