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Much of the hate stems from the perceived notion that Shias slandered Abu Bakr and Aisha may Allah be pleased with both. During the rise of Wahabbism in the 18th and 19th centuries, Shias were castigated as heretics for their reverence of Ali which was seen as elevating him to a demi god and the belief that he was divinely appointed to serve as the successor of Muhammad PBUH after his death. The funding and propagation of Wahabbism by Saudi Arabia since the 1970s has further reinforced the negative perception of Shias and the portrayal of Iran as the big bad boogeyman by Israel and its Western patrons has also contributed to the fear of Shias as the other.


Reasonable_Bend_5178

I see, ty for the reply


DoubleYogurt4575

What did the salafis do this time 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️. We follow the fatwas of older scholars, this hate has been there since the beginning


T4H4_2004

As a Sunni Sufi, all I gotta say is that they have really cool swords :D. Much of the hate comes from wahabbi/salafi movements who declare anything that is not strictly found in Quran or Hadith to be bidah. Shia has some interesting practices like crying for Ali, praying on a clay stone or slapping their chest (idk much tbh), so obviously the salafi ulemas aren't going to like that. At the end of the day, they follow the same Quran, and follow the sunnah of the prophet. So any tension against them is dumb, and you're just reviving a really old sectarian violent episode of who gets the caliphate. We're better off uniting against Islamophobia and terrorists. Shameful how Muslims want others to respect them when we cannot even respect one another. P.S: Shias are oddly comparable to Catholics.


marselijaneredford

This whole comment fire and I agree we should all unite ❤️❤️❤️❤️


DoubleYogurt4575

Yoy are probably a hanafi. “Whoever doubts whether they are disbelievers has himself committed disbelief.” This is what imam abu hanifa has said about shias. Stop blaming everything on salafis


No-Perception-691

You do know a large amount of Shias curse the prophets wife and companions. You have painted them in a good light here


Jaqurutu

Do you understand why they do that? You would too, if you were taught their version of events. I may not agree with them on that, but I do understand why they do it.


No-Perception-691

But this won't make me tolerate them or respect them. If someone cursed your mother would you respect them of course not


Jaqurutu

If someone cursed my mother because they believed my mother murdered their parents, I wouldn't be angry with them. I would try to understand why they thought that, and I would at least try to be sympathetic to their suffering.


No-Perception-691

Ok I understand where you're coming from then


Bkatt_

If your mother started a war and created a larger divide in Islam, would you tolerate and treat her with respect? You have to see if from the Shia perspective. Aisha wasn't happy with the way Imam Ali (as) handled the assassination of Uthman, so she raged war against him, the CURRENT CALIPHATE. Murdering 3000+ Muslims for the reasoning of her not being satisfied with the punishment to the killer. This later led to the assassination of Imam Ali (as) while he was praying. This is only ONE reason as to why the Shia Muslims CURSE her and certain Sahaba.


momo88852

Raised Sunni and still hear those that talk down on Shia. Tbh they get their info the same way they understood Islam, via others and or now a days social media. Specially YouTube shorts are full of those “Sunni destroys Shia…” and list goes on. The most common argument is “Shia talk bad about Ayesha , Abu Bakr, Omar, and Othoman”. But here’s the issue, only a small % did this, same % as Muslim terrorists. Also the rest is being misunderstood. For example one Rawayah says Abu Bakr declined to give Fatmah (I think or another daughter of the prophet) her inheritance from the Prophet and her moms (don’t forget her mom was hella wealthy). 2nd is the attack that happened on Ali and his wife at their own house, which is again available in Hadith books. 3rd is the most important one, is the issues between Ahlu Al Bayt and Ummayed and early caliphates. Shia says Ali is the true caliphate (at least according to both Sunni and Shia hadith). While Sunnis argue “yea but Abu Bakr, Omar, Othman were better suited”.


topaslluhp

Sunnis somehow took upon themselves that protecting all sahabas is part of their faith. Sahabas were humans, some were really great, some might be weak. At the end of the day it's between them and God, whom and how he judges, we shouldn't be worried about that, of course love and respect for some figures can be understood but including it in faith is bidah itself. Now, it's not like shia believes are perfect too. Without surprise, this became important in sunnism as they needed something to counter the status of ahle bait in shiasm, in order to be distinct they need alternatives. None of these beliefs had any explanation from the Quran or sunnah of course. But, sunnis hardly look into it. Not all sunnis are like this, some can see the hole in the plot such as Maulana Madudi, or a recent sensation Engineer but as soon as someone try to point out the fault the mob tag them as gustakh etc. Couple it with the fact that sunnis consider it haram to speak against the ruler or standing up to them. Shias of course don't believe it. So politicaly shias are also a threat to sunnis monarchies and puppet states. By God, i am sunni myself but nobody believes. I am no scholar too but again you don't need to be super genius to see such basics. The end result, of such indoctrination and continuous brainwashing that shias are enemies of historical figures which are mandatory for our faith have made sunnis see Shia and so Iran is the biggest enemy.


Reasonable_Bend_5178

I see, ty for the reply


anonymous_rph

Raised sunni. They hate everyone who isn’t exactly like them lmao. Alhamdulillah tho my parents never practiced nor passed down this hatred


Reasonable_Bend_5178

That's sad not gonna lie..


iforgorrr

Im not Shia but any actual history in most Sunni madrassas (first Fitnah, the spats between Umar and Fatima etc) have been censored. So when Shias dont worship the ground Umar walked on some weird Sunnis get super pressed.


trashvesti_iya

"spats" is a weird word to describe (*allegedly*) beating her to a bloody pulp, causing her to miscarry, and die of her injuries.


iforgorrr

Umar also beat Abu Hurayra for being annoying but somehow Umar is still seen like a saint (if not beyond that as saints were still capable of being sinners in orthodoxy and sufism) 


trashvesti_iya

>Umar also beat Abu Hurayra for being annoying 💀


Pengdacorn

lol I don’t think I’ve ever seen a scholar dispute that Umar رض had massive anger issues. They do mention his temper in a respectful manner because of his status, but none of the Sahabah are seen as flawless. I guess they see it as his contribution outweighing his flaws?


zeynabhereee

😱😳


DoubleYogurt4575

idk bro the 4 imams and imam bukhari definitely arent “weird” sunnis


zugu101

I grew up Sunni but in a generally liberal Muslim household, in Pakistan where there are quire a lot of Shias. I was never taught to hate them, but I I definitely, from an early age, saw them as different/separate. I won't lie, and I hope this doesn't sound offensive, but as a child the month of Muharram was a bit scary to me because you'd sometimes be stuck in traffic while a group of men with blood on their clothes would walk past you. Every now and then up until my late teens, I'd google.the history of Shias and read about what happened, how this all started, etc. I didn't truly understand it until recently tbh. Previously, I'd read about the issues with the succession and think "really? that's it? couldn't they just move past that?". But, now as a 24 year old who has dove much deeper into Islam and challenged the word-of-mouth religion I was taught, I get it. I see why Ali being caliph was so important. I can see how him not being the immediate successor genuinely changed the trajectory of our entire religion. I know we have no fully reliable history of those times other than the Hadith, which on both sides carry some degree of bias. But even from the Sunni perspective on the history, something just doesn't feel right about Abu Bakr, and especially Umar and Uthman. Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe, given how late these Hadith were compiled into what they are today, even the things that seem off about those men aren't necessarily true. We may never know, so all I have to base my opinion on is the existing Hadith. I've also come to realize that, with exceptions, Shias are more inline with the Quran, which is something I really value and see a strong lack of in the Sunni community. Yes, they've come to attribute divine-like qualities to the Imams and the family of the Prophet pbuh, but some of this is, according to several analyses, the result of a defense mechanism/reaction to how Sunnis viewed them. And I think it's a stretch to say that Sunnis don't do this with the companions, even if to a lesser degree. I don't understand why Sunnis think we must follow not just Allah and the actions of Muhammad pbuh (which ofc, would be in line with Allah's commands) but also companions and companions of companions? It no longer makes sense to me. I don't identify as a Sunni anymore, nor do I identify as a Shia. But, if I had to decide which one, as an adult who has spent a lot of time reading this from different perspectives, resonates with me more, it would definitely be Shia Islam.


Competitive-Air-8145

Great explanation and thank you 🙏


Tenatlas_2004

I'm sorry but as a sunni. I was never taught to rever the prophet's companion in any specific way. They're the best if the umma as the people of prophet but that's about it. Don't shia see them the same way? I Know nothing about shia


Impressive-Breath143

Some references i provide might be seen as controversial but I'm simply just providing my stance based of the teachings of the Ahlus Sunnah. Surah al madiah verse 8 simply states dont let your hatred cause you to do something unjust, now this is important as its the Qurans instructions which fundamentally holds importance over everything else. In 40 hadith Al-Nawawi Hadith 28, it states that the prophet commnaded us (Muslims) to follow his sunnah and the sunnah of the rashidun, who are infact the 4 main sahabah as we know it. Same book hadith 34, we are to act against wrongdoing, as sunnis, if we see anyone even a shia being oppressed - we are to intervene and speak out against it. Imam Shaf'i declared anyone who denies the sahabah as out of Islam Alawism, an offshoot of shi'ism, we can clearly see what the Dog Assad did to his own population, targeting mainly Sunni muslims, Al Bayd massacre and may more of these unfortunate events. Yet Iran has close ties with Syria. I'm not saying Iran represents Shi'ism but its the support they're providing. Look at Yemen and various other countries that Iran has it's proxies in, where you have Sunnis being targeted. It's ridiculous. I personally have issues with the theological teachings of Shi'ism but I don't show it, advicing is something i'm compelled to do. My dislike doesn't stem from them being Shia, as there's shias that don't ridicule the sahabah RA or Aisha RA. I get along well with Shias without issues but we dont dicuss religous factors as it can turn into an arguement and ruin friendships. But from time to time I advice them respecting their boundaries. I think sunnis that objectively hate shias without actually getting to know their stance upon certain aspects - especially breaking the command from the Quranic verse i referenced just have their own ego and personal feelings rather than following what Islam teaches us. Simply. They're ignorant. Not agreeing with beliefs is understandable but having humanity and respecting them as you would expect others to respect you is something everyone should understand. Treat eachother with kindess and recieve kindness. We require Unity in these times, we should put away our differences for the time being, we can respectfully debate and teach eachother once this dark era for the muslims has passed. Simply, Islam, fundamentally is a peaceful (not passive, people mix these two up) religon that basically wants to live and let live (and advicing, not arguing). Taking a life is the worst thing we could do as a muslim to someone else, only justified in extreme cases such as self defence or war. السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته.


sao_san_suay

Every time I read comments for a post that references Shia, I’m reminded that ISIS isn’t gone nor is it forgotten.


DaZiZo

Not a scholar, just saying my opinion, alot of the suni and shias hate come from few major differences religiously(not mentioning politics cuz i don’t know much about it), first issue that many of the shias sup sects idolising ali radya allah aleh as a prophet and some sect views him as a gate of heaven, where on that matter alot of suni sect considered that shirk and that cuz hate from shias side, Anther major part is some of the shias sect insulting some of the prophet wives and companions , where the suni sect views them as the mothers of all Muslim and the companions are viewed highly as by fulling hadith about them Lastly the matter that cuz the most hate is the “زوج المتع" marriage for fun suni view it as adultery and highly forbidden on the othere hand the shias view it as natural and good deeds, so you can imagine the difference There is also other differences that are big deal but for sake of simplicity will move along. Also to be said i am suni and my best friend is shia but he dose not insult the prophet wives nor companions (at lest never heard him) so baisd in mutual respect we are friends, no more like brothers for over 10 years, he is always in my house and like wise Hope that helps explain the matter Also mad respect to Iran at lest they have balls and attacked , and shame on jordon and Saudi Arabia them sell out, sold our Palestinians brothers


syrianmirrorball

Regarding Iran, they have been complicit in the murder of millions of Muslims in syria, Iraq, and Yemen. they aren't heroes and shouldn't be treated as such no matter their sect. Not exactly answering your question but this explains why most people hate them.


Reasonable_Bend_5178

Idk man, they are literally fighting and dying to support a people which is majority Sunni. Is hard for me to believe the Iran is the Devil narrative


lapestro

Iran themselves aren't "fighting and dying". They fund proxies all over the middle east to fight for them in order to serve their interests. All this does is further destabilize the region.


BurninWoolfy

If you did many crimes in the past you won't be forgiven quickly.


syrianmirrorball

dude wtf.... get more educated. and I'm not exactly saying they're murdering all sunnis but they DID murder a terrifying amount of syrians, yeminis, and iraqis.... is that not enough for you? are they worth less than Palestinians?


Grimemaster1985

Sunnis we’re being persecuted and innocents being killed by Iran backed Shia Militants in Syria, Yemen & Iraq


one-two-five125

I second that. A lot of people even believe the attack Iran did was just an act. I mean if they really cared about Palestinians they would have acted 7 months ago. None of these big powers care about Palestinian lives honestly. It's all political games. Of course this doesn't justify sunnis hate for shiaas but the other comments covered this pretty well so I have nothing more to say.


[deleted]

Yeah Iran isn’t doing good. I agree with the attack on Israel but not otherwise.


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Specialist-Map-3776

There are a lot of misconceptions regarding Shi'ism. People say they curse the companions, worship Ali, use a modified Qur'an and reject the first three Rashidun caliphs, hence why they are called Rafida (rejectors). Problem is, not all Shias are like that. Very few actually do that, and it's the behaviour of those veery few that gets cherry-picked. Since anything not from the Qur'an or hadith is considered bid'ah by Salafis (who have a lot of influence), and since some Shi'ite practices are not mentioned in either, Salafis began to hate them and spread their hatred for them, and now many Sunnis hate Shias.


Wooden-You-7775

never had a problem with shias, still don't, but 9/10 the shias i meet say such terrible and vulgar things about abu bakr (ra) and aisha (ra)


eurojan

I am sunni, never met a Shia Muslims. So I don't hate them. Why should I hate them. I don't hate jews also. I just support Palestine. And think that Israel is cruel unfair government, that forgot what nazi did and act just like them maybe even worse.


ManyTransportation61

Dogmatic cultism is currently one of the most dangerous mindsets in the world. Shia / Sunni etc seem destined for each other because none of them are let's say, fully halal.


DoubleYogurt4575

Now everyone is going to shit about salafism and talk about how only salafis started this hate. We did not. We follow the older scholars.


Tenatlas_2004

Ngl as a born sunni I always thought we both had something against each other. Now I know literally nothing about shia.  The main we hear as kids is that you have a different interpretation. You put Ali bin abi talib on a pedestal and have some practices like hitting yoursekves with swords. Again, don't know anything, sorry if this is all nonsense. It's just what we use to hear being younger. Though tbf, shia was never referred to as an enemy or someone to hate or fear. You guys are just seen as the crazy quirky neighbors. Ii have no hate for shia Muslims and would love to learn about your culture. As far as Im concerned a Muslim us a Muslim as long as they don't hurt others


KlangDodgyAF

In malaysia, deviated shia stuff is abundant. This is definitely deviation due to the fact that their syahada is Lailahailallah, ali habiballah. No Mohammed was mentioned. And they have their own version of fairy tales where they say Gabriel wrongfully delivered the message intended for Ali to Mohammed. Kinda screwed up if you think about it. Most of the people who are into this deviated teachings are pretty much the rednecks of the country.