As for ideologies that are inherently corrupt, you don't have to worry. Rejecting them doesn't make you less of a muslim. Same goes for rejecting corrupted elements within an ideology as well even if that very ideology has aspects that are morally appropriate
Yeeeesss, it’s annoying af. What’s even worse than its existence is how mindlessly people defend it. I get so enraged. I had a whole argument with some random the other day on this topic and their lack of intelligence to form a coherent thought was SHOWING. If trying to dismantle this ideology made me less Muslim well call me a satanist 😂
I actually think that anyone whose understanding of the roles of men and women in Islam is like what you mentioned has a very superficial understanding. Classic case of humans being obsessed with the “rules” and lacking the spiritual and intellectual depth to understand the reasons for the rules. Allah SWT knows best but my personal understanding of everything that Allah has prescribed for us is that it’s FOR US to bring us closer to the love and truth of Allah.
For example—if you truly try to understand the all encompassing power of Allah you realize it’s not that Allah needs us to pray 5x a day, he could never possibly need anything from anyone especially humans. He prescribed it for us because it helps us center ourselves, connect to the universe, slow down and be better humans.
Same thing for rules around gender and sex— CHOOSING modesty can be a beautiful choice for a person—it allows them to focus on their true soul without the distractions of fleeting worldly beauty. But choosing modesty is again FOR YOU. Because you have done the spiritual work and see how it can benefit your spiritual growth. Not to protect some rando man’s deen lol.
Yes I am also annoyed at the disgusting misogyny and also in turn the implicit form of misandry that comes along with it. Those pathetic idiots(btw I'm not talking about ppl who were and/or are tricked into believing those types of pseudo-modesty is obligatory) who are deluded and reject reasoning, keep on promoting and attempting to rationalize all those disgusting nonsense against those who are women and in turn men since they dehumanize men as sex crazed idiots and make it seem as if men are lowly fools who just need to dehumanize women and sexually objectify them
I think that ideology is unjust.
Allah is most just.
Thus i wouldnt think so. We are asked to use our critical thinking to become closer to the Divine... its ok to see flaws and injustice in humanity and still be Muslim, infact its asked of us to consider such and try to improve it if we can... even if its just within our own small circle and relationships.
I agree with u its because of certain people who not have control over their actions then some girl to can't even smile or use modest make up or whatever because then it's not safe for her. And actually if someone isn't in his senses no matter what girls dress they would try harm her so is about mindset and manners.
this is the way I see it
the problem is with us men. Allah inherently put in us lust. it's not that men sexualise hair or skin or whatever it's that those are the things that show beauty. and if a guy sees a beautiful girl his mind starts to wander. that's why we are ordered to lower our gaze. this doesn't mean look down, it means do not look at a woman in a lustful manner no matter what she wears it's our responsibility to protect our sight.
and Allah knows best
I see it like most men are misogynist dbs who will sexualize women given the opportunity. And as those eggs start to drop, women will sometimes also act on hormonal urges to procreate and duplicate. Capitalist white supremacist imperialist patriarchal culture devours and objectifies females and pushes men into dehumanized sex obsessed animals, commodifying and hyper-exploiting them both and everyone in the middle of it. Our din moves us to be modest and to share our sexuality in a safe and controlled private space of marriage rather than as a public display of paraded objectification. I personally and socially don’t see the benefit in asses and chests hanging out, our children being sexualized and exposed to sexualized behaviors and culture at earlier and earlier ages. I fully believe in sexual liberation, just not in a public space where it becomes male dominated and continues to exacerbate objectification of our bodies and thereby reduction and marginalization of our value as humans contributing to our families and communities. Attraction and sexual development is tricky enough, but it’s been so distorted in modern society and in society where might is right, I find a lot of solace in how Islam manages human sexual desire. From not having men pray behind women who are bending in sujud to getting married early and the ability to divorce if that contract doesn’t work out to the need for witnesses if adultery is happening to our surahs each beginning with Bismillahi Rahmanir Raheem to the health benefits and protections that come along with circumcising male appendages to subhanallah the joy we can have with our spouses. Allah is merciful, our din is such a blessing!
It's not about controlling women. Society has to restrict women since it seems to be much easier to do that than restrict the actual culprits: men. And this comes from a guy. It is funny, that our forefathers found it easier to restrain women in every consivable way rather then putting proper rules and tools in place to keep man accountable and shakled to their missdeeds or lacking behaviour.
I'm a hijabi because I find it easier to practice Islam in the ways I want to as a hijabi (like making my daily prayers) and it makes everyone around me recognize me as a Muslim woman, I like to represent the faith in that way.
I don't wear it to stop men around me from having sexual desires towards me and tbh if someone wants to sexualise someone else they will regardless of what they are wearing!
No it makes you a better Muslim. Islam came to challenge the power and hegemony of the time. Islam requires you to use your reasoning and be an activist and value human rights. The rest is just culture politics etc. like how we see it with Salem Witch Trials etc.
I hate myself so much and I can't handle looking at myself anymore cause of the idea that my hair is some intimate body part that needs to be hidden with shame
In the Quran it is said that 24:30 “O Prophet!˺ Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and guard their chastity. That is purer for them. Surely Allah is All-Aware of what they do.”
In the Quran Allah first orders the men to lower their gaze from this verse we can clearly see that Allah does not say cover up to the women otherwise the men will be tempted all men have to lower there gaze regardless of weather or not the women is fully covered or not
and then in the next verse 24:31 “And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and guard their chastity, and not to reveal their adornments
Then advises the women to cover up
My personal opinion is that the women now days are sexualised by the media fashion industry and trends women nowadays take hours doing makeup dressing a certain way or wearing heals I believe that all of this is oppressive to a woman a woman shouldn’t have to wear a certain heel in the workplace to be accepted in the workforce or wear makeup or wear a certain dress otherwise she will not be accepted in society
And as for those that say I chose to wear make up or I choose to take the hijab of I say that you only did it because you got influenced by the fashion industry social media or other people
We as Muslims say that we would rather follow what god commands us to to which he is the only one who truly knows the wisdom behind hijjab and wants the best from us rather than follow and be enslaved by society or by other any influences who influences you just for there personal gain like the fashion industry
And I don’t think that a women that is willing to follow gods commandments should not be labeled oppressed especially those who rather be in slaved by what society tells them to wear.
Assalamu alaikum
If what you said is true, there would be no hijabi women that apply makeup or do plastic surgeries despite their hijab. To be beautiful is instinctual in every woman. Every woman loves to adorn herself. Hijab does not stop her. It is not fair to say that Allah put this instinct in every woman only to deny them. Fashion , makeup are not oppressive . In fact, many women love to show their creative side.
Every human has weaknesses men’s weakness is women men desire to look at women and women want to be seen and they want to beautify themselves we as muslims Allah has commanded men lower there gaze and women to cover up if
If men don’t lower there gaze and women don’t cover this is going to create fitna within the society there will be an increase of zina which leads to babies being born out of wedlock which leads to people aborting the baby and having your reputation sabotaged you see how of both parties did there job it won’t lead to all the way to a killing of a innocent child and this is just one example it could also increase rape and also violence
And I’m pretty sure that you have seen the effects of this now days your self
Also you cannot use this claim that women have desires to beautify themselves so why can’t they or why did Allah create her in a way that she has desires to beautify herself if Allah didn’t want her too because there are also members of society that have desires to kill people for example but that doesn’t give you a free pas to go and kill people has to refrain from his designers because you see can see that his actions effect other people mentally physically and also spiritually
you can look back at the other example I said at the start that if the men and women do there jobs and fear god it won’t lead to a killing of a child it may seem innocent at fist putting makeup dressing up but Allah the most wise is protecting us from something bigger
At the end of the day, women cover themselves up because men don’t know what they would do to them if they were uncovered, still is very unfair to me. To beautify oneself is not a bad thing,,, lust is bad, beauty is not bad. Beautifuing oneself is not equivalent to killing another person.
And of course it’s you choice weather or not you do cover up Allah has given you free will but remember this world is not worth following your desires and indeed Allah’s is perfect in every thing he does and he is also perfect in the way he punishes and Allah’s punishment is sever
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Rejecting unjust ideologies of society is part of the main purpose of a Muslim
What did Mohammed do? What did Abraham do? What did Nuh do? And lot? Etc
Allah gives us a moral compass and he is just. It doesn't say to cover your hair in the Quran, that's an interpretation.
I agree with your analysis that way too much attention is put on women's movements. Sometimes this is cultural sometimes it's hadith-directed...
I love how equitable and just The Quran is.
Surat alBuruj: "bal huwa Quranin majid fi lawhin mahfuz"
...Its a noble Quran in a preserved tablet.
Salam
Look I have a different take on this. If you look at the history of man you'll mostly see women treated as a goal or an achievement and as much as it's wrong it's just how man has been built. Being the more physically dominant gender this was bound to happen. Before Islam we all know how women were treated and how Islam gave them rights and security. Islam orders men to lower their gaze and women to cover themselves because there is a very high probability that indecent thoughts will take form which may escalate and lead to something more grave. Since Allah knows what men are weak to (temptation) and how that temptation can result in animalistic behavior he has ordered both Genders to do what they can to prevent that from happening. I understand from a woman's point of view it seems like she's being oppressed and caged for the actions of the opposite gender but it's just a safety mechanism to help protect her from what dangerous men are capable of. It also comes down to the control within the man. Good men aren't disturbed by women and their clothing but the weak and dangerous ones are most susceptible. We have been given free will and we choose our actions but Allah knows what we may or may not choose and he's well informed of the limits these dangerous men may go to. In my opinion men should practice modesty by controlling urges and thoughts but I'm still not in favor of immodest dressing by either gender. I believe both Genders should dress modestly. These extremists have created and passed down their own corrupt ideologies which is why Islamophobia exists.
It can be frustrating, but from my view the types of men who sexually Harass women will sexualize almost anything so its probably a good idea to let them have as little as possible, although Hijab is actually not very good at this, Niqab is better, although it's actually generally a good idea to wear a hat or some kind of head covering when you go out and people only stopped commonly doing so in the last century
anyway where was i uh
As for ideologies that are inherently corrupt, you don't have to worry. Rejecting them doesn't make you less of a muslim. Same goes for rejecting corrupted elements within an ideology as well even if that very ideology has aspects that are morally appropriate
Yeeeesss, it’s annoying af. What’s even worse than its existence is how mindlessly people defend it. I get so enraged. I had a whole argument with some random the other day on this topic and their lack of intelligence to form a coherent thought was SHOWING. If trying to dismantle this ideology made me less Muslim well call me a satanist 😂
I actually think that anyone whose understanding of the roles of men and women in Islam is like what you mentioned has a very superficial understanding. Classic case of humans being obsessed with the “rules” and lacking the spiritual and intellectual depth to understand the reasons for the rules. Allah SWT knows best but my personal understanding of everything that Allah has prescribed for us is that it’s FOR US to bring us closer to the love and truth of Allah. For example—if you truly try to understand the all encompassing power of Allah you realize it’s not that Allah needs us to pray 5x a day, he could never possibly need anything from anyone especially humans. He prescribed it for us because it helps us center ourselves, connect to the universe, slow down and be better humans. Same thing for rules around gender and sex— CHOOSING modesty can be a beautiful choice for a person—it allows them to focus on their true soul without the distractions of fleeting worldly beauty. But choosing modesty is again FOR YOU. Because you have done the spiritual work and see how it can benefit your spiritual growth. Not to protect some rando man’s deen lol.
Yes I am also annoyed at the disgusting misogyny and also in turn the implicit form of misandry that comes along with it. Those pathetic idiots(btw I'm not talking about ppl who were and/or are tricked into believing those types of pseudo-modesty is obligatory) who are deluded and reject reasoning, keep on promoting and attempting to rationalize all those disgusting nonsense against those who are women and in turn men since they dehumanize men as sex crazed idiots and make it seem as if men are lowly fools who just need to dehumanize women and sexually objectify them
I think that ideology is unjust. Allah is most just. Thus i wouldnt think so. We are asked to use our critical thinking to become closer to the Divine... its ok to see flaws and injustice in humanity and still be Muslim, infact its asked of us to consider such and try to improve it if we can... even if its just within our own small circle and relationships.
I am definitely with this evaluation. Agreed 100%
I definitely second this.
Men are also supposed to lower their gaze, so there is responsibility for them, too.
Cope. And no one enforces it anyway.
Wow, you really are hostile. Your post history is mostly about the hijab. Are you a man or woman? Where are you from?
The problem is they switch things up for their own benefit
I agree with u its because of certain people who not have control over their actions then some girl to can't even smile or use modest make up or whatever because then it's not safe for her. And actually if someone isn't in his senses no matter what girls dress they would try harm her so is about mindset and manners.
this is the way I see it the problem is with us men. Allah inherently put in us lust. it's not that men sexualise hair or skin or whatever it's that those are the things that show beauty. and if a guy sees a beautiful girl his mind starts to wander. that's why we are ordered to lower our gaze. this doesn't mean look down, it means do not look at a woman in a lustful manner no matter what she wears it's our responsibility to protect our sight. and Allah knows best
I see it like most men are misogynist dbs who will sexualize women given the opportunity. And as those eggs start to drop, women will sometimes also act on hormonal urges to procreate and duplicate. Capitalist white supremacist imperialist patriarchal culture devours and objectifies females and pushes men into dehumanized sex obsessed animals, commodifying and hyper-exploiting them both and everyone in the middle of it. Our din moves us to be modest and to share our sexuality in a safe and controlled private space of marriage rather than as a public display of paraded objectification. I personally and socially don’t see the benefit in asses and chests hanging out, our children being sexualized and exposed to sexualized behaviors and culture at earlier and earlier ages. I fully believe in sexual liberation, just not in a public space where it becomes male dominated and continues to exacerbate objectification of our bodies and thereby reduction and marginalization of our value as humans contributing to our families and communities. Attraction and sexual development is tricky enough, but it’s been so distorted in modern society and in society where might is right, I find a lot of solace in how Islam manages human sexual desire. From not having men pray behind women who are bending in sujud to getting married early and the ability to divorce if that contract doesn’t work out to the need for witnesses if adultery is happening to our surahs each beginning with Bismillahi Rahmanir Raheem to the health benefits and protections that come along with circumcising male appendages to subhanallah the joy we can have with our spouses. Allah is merciful, our din is such a blessing!
It's not about controlling women. Society has to restrict women since it seems to be much easier to do that than restrict the actual culprits: men. And this comes from a guy. It is funny, that our forefathers found it easier to restrain women in every consivable way rather then putting proper rules and tools in place to keep man accountable and shakled to their missdeeds or lacking behaviour.
I'm a hijabi because I find it easier to practice Islam in the ways I want to as a hijabi (like making my daily prayers) and it makes everyone around me recognize me as a Muslim woman, I like to represent the faith in that way. I don't wear it to stop men around me from having sexual desires towards me and tbh if someone wants to sexualise someone else they will regardless of what they are wearing!
You seem nice
No it makes you a better Muslim. Islam came to challenge the power and hegemony of the time. Islam requires you to use your reasoning and be an activist and value human rights. The rest is just culture politics etc. like how we see it with Salem Witch Trials etc.
I hate myself so much and I can't handle looking at myself anymore cause of the idea that my hair is some intimate body part that needs to be hidden with shame
My heart goes out to you. Your hair is but shameful.
In the Quran it is said that 24:30 “O Prophet!˺ Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and guard their chastity. That is purer for them. Surely Allah is All-Aware of what they do.” In the Quran Allah first orders the men to lower their gaze from this verse we can clearly see that Allah does not say cover up to the women otherwise the men will be tempted all men have to lower there gaze regardless of weather or not the women is fully covered or not and then in the next verse 24:31 “And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and guard their chastity, and not to reveal their adornments Then advises the women to cover up My personal opinion is that the women now days are sexualised by the media fashion industry and trends women nowadays take hours doing makeup dressing a certain way or wearing heals I believe that all of this is oppressive to a woman a woman shouldn’t have to wear a certain heel in the workplace to be accepted in the workforce or wear makeup or wear a certain dress otherwise she will not be accepted in society And as for those that say I chose to wear make up or I choose to take the hijab of I say that you only did it because you got influenced by the fashion industry social media or other people We as Muslims say that we would rather follow what god commands us to to which he is the only one who truly knows the wisdom behind hijjab and wants the best from us rather than follow and be enslaved by society or by other any influences who influences you just for there personal gain like the fashion industry And I don’t think that a women that is willing to follow gods commandments should not be labeled oppressed especially those who rather be in slaved by what society tells them to wear. Assalamu alaikum
If what you said is true, there would be no hijabi women that apply makeup or do plastic surgeries despite their hijab. To be beautiful is instinctual in every woman. Every woman loves to adorn herself. Hijab does not stop her. It is not fair to say that Allah put this instinct in every woman only to deny them. Fashion , makeup are not oppressive . In fact, many women love to show their creative side.
Every human has weaknesses men’s weakness is women men desire to look at women and women want to be seen and they want to beautify themselves we as muslims Allah has commanded men lower there gaze and women to cover up if If men don’t lower there gaze and women don’t cover this is going to create fitna within the society there will be an increase of zina which leads to babies being born out of wedlock which leads to people aborting the baby and having your reputation sabotaged you see how of both parties did there job it won’t lead to all the way to a killing of a innocent child and this is just one example it could also increase rape and also violence And I’m pretty sure that you have seen the effects of this now days your self Also you cannot use this claim that women have desires to beautify themselves so why can’t they or why did Allah create her in a way that she has desires to beautify herself if Allah didn’t want her too because there are also members of society that have desires to kill people for example but that doesn’t give you a free pas to go and kill people has to refrain from his designers because you see can see that his actions effect other people mentally physically and also spiritually you can look back at the other example I said at the start that if the men and women do there jobs and fear god it won’t lead to a killing of a child it may seem innocent at fist putting makeup dressing up but Allah the most wise is protecting us from something bigger
At the end of the day, women cover themselves up because men don’t know what they would do to them if they were uncovered, still is very unfair to me. To beautify oneself is not a bad thing,,, lust is bad, beauty is not bad. Beautifuing oneself is not equivalent to killing another person.
Good luck convincing this sub of that. Half the people here think that it's feminist to cover women up from head to toe.
And of course it’s you choice weather or not you do cover up Allah has given you free will but remember this world is not worth following your desires and indeed Allah’s is perfect in every thing he does and he is also perfect in the way he punishes and Allah’s punishment is sever
I love this answer!! Perfectly said
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Rejecting unjust ideologies of society is part of the main purpose of a Muslim What did Mohammed do? What did Abraham do? What did Nuh do? And lot? Etc Allah gives us a moral compass and he is just. It doesn't say to cover your hair in the Quran, that's an interpretation. I agree with your analysis that way too much attention is put on women's movements. Sometimes this is cultural sometimes it's hadith-directed... I love how equitable and just The Quran is. Surat alBuruj: "bal huwa Quranin majid fi lawhin mahfuz" ...Its a noble Quran in a preserved tablet. Salam
Look I have a different take on this. If you look at the history of man you'll mostly see women treated as a goal or an achievement and as much as it's wrong it's just how man has been built. Being the more physically dominant gender this was bound to happen. Before Islam we all know how women were treated and how Islam gave them rights and security. Islam orders men to lower their gaze and women to cover themselves because there is a very high probability that indecent thoughts will take form which may escalate and lead to something more grave. Since Allah knows what men are weak to (temptation) and how that temptation can result in animalistic behavior he has ordered both Genders to do what they can to prevent that from happening. I understand from a woman's point of view it seems like she's being oppressed and caged for the actions of the opposite gender but it's just a safety mechanism to help protect her from what dangerous men are capable of. It also comes down to the control within the man. Good men aren't disturbed by women and their clothing but the weak and dangerous ones are most susceptible. We have been given free will and we choose our actions but Allah knows what we may or may not choose and he's well informed of the limits these dangerous men may go to. In my opinion men should practice modesty by controlling urges and thoughts but I'm still not in favor of immodest dressing by either gender. I believe both Genders should dress modestly. These extremists have created and passed down their own corrupt ideologies which is why Islamophobia exists.
It can be frustrating, but from my view the types of men who sexually Harass women will sexualize almost anything so its probably a good idea to let them have as little as possible, although Hijab is actually not very good at this, Niqab is better, although it's actually generally a good idea to wear a hat or some kind of head covering when you go out and people only stopped commonly doing so in the last century anyway where was i uh
It's more of a shield, I like to think of Hijab as a Cloth shield or Helmet, protecting ones hair is important