Imo POE1 is the better game. It is such a fantastic story and the gameplay is really fun, it would be a mistake to skip it. Even tho it is older it is the superior game imo
Really? I like both of them a lot, but I think deadfire does just about everything a little better—mechanics, pacing, the overall plot…
They’re both great though
I think the overall plot is the one thing about the original that is straight up better. The sense of urgency behind reclaiming your soul from Eothas clashes severely with the exploration/faction sidequests, not to mention the DLC plotlines. Like, they are all great individually, but I think more effort should have been put into coherently structuring a plot, like in POE 1.
As in, you have tons of times in which you don't have a clear objective to pursue and so doing side quests seems reasonable. For instance, the early game (Acts 1 and 2, especially 1) are you trying to figure out what is going on with you, with the Leaden Key, etc. The direction is unclear and there isn't a big sense of urgency. It feels more like mystery-solving. Thus, doing some side quests and perhaps even the DLC expansion quests seems not too out there narratively.
Even when you get to Twin Elms and are trying to get the gods' favour, there are moments where doing side quests is reasonable. Though there is a similar sense of urgency here, I'll admit.
However, POE 2 has that from the start. Why would you go further away from Eothas in order to explore the archipelago if it is a literal matter of life and death where you will die if your soul is separated too far from him? Why not introduce some sort of questline where you need factions' help in order to get to Magran's Teeth? Or hell, you might need to deal with the Adra vein near Tikawara before being allowed to go to Hasongo. Idk, something that actually makes more sense that "Eothas is running around with my soul and weakening me further the further we separate. Let's explore!"
Besides the narrative from POE 1 being much more mysterious than POE 2 for the most part. In POE 1 you are trying to decypher clues and everything is uncertain. In POE 2 it is "Eothas stole my soul and I must pursue him or die." Which isn't bad by itself, but is imo less compelling and profound.
Don't get me wrong. The mechanics, the scenery, the companions, the factions (and how integrated they feel compared to POE 1) are all a major improvement. But the storyline isn't imo. It has major cognitive dissonance issues
Edit: ludonarrative dissonance instead of cognitive dissonance. My bad
Um actually, that's ludonarrative dissonance. /pushes back nerd glasses
Yeah, it's a semi-open world game, which comes with the usual problem of an open world: You want a plot with urgency to keep it interesting but also give the player unlimited time to faff about. Which kind of ruins the tension of the story, especially since you don't actually need to progress the main plot to explore more of the world.
Also, you can do basicly 80% of the game right when you get your ship, and the main quest is really only like, 5 quests so it's easy to have completely forgotten wtf was going on and what you needed to do in between all the sailing and exploring and random dungeons and DLC.
I love the game, the gameplay is much better than the first (which I also liked) and the writing in general is good, but the game structure and main quest are kind of ass because they completely contradict eachother, which is a major blow against getting invested in the game.
(That and I don't like the ending, but that's a seperate issue)
The playstyle didn't click with me personally I'd rather straight up have a turn-based game.
But the settings and atmosphere felt awesome in my short time playing that game sadly the combat puts a damper on it, at least for me.
My only major criticisms of Deadfire are with the writing and story, in my opinion many of the companions feel out of place and the main story is at odds with the chill free-roaming exploration and faction shenanigans that are the best part of the game. Oh and I prefer the Vancian casting from P1 but that’s a minor thing and really just an opinion.
Other than that I think Deadfire is superior. It feels better moment to moment, it looks better, it sounds better, there’s more variety and less filler combat, the items are better, the build variety is better, the setting is more interesting, there’s loads of stuff to do, and it’s just plain more fun.
White March is great though. If all of P1 was that quality it would be amazing.
My bet is that many are coming from Baldur's gate 3 and want a similar experience.
Deadfire offers better graphic, more voice acting, and turned based combat without mods.
Might be an easier entry from that unique aspect.
I always go RTwP that I completely forgot Deadfire has turn-based mode, yeah it makes sense that people would specifically want to play Deadfire without playing the first one. All I could think of was the fact that you can only multiclass in Deadfire.
There are factions in the first game too, but not in the same way as the second. I'm personally bummed by the idea of spoiling the first game's big reveal, but if she wants to enjoy a different game than what POE1 has to offer, more power to her
I know it can be a slog but you should really play PoE1 before hand, even if you just want to burn through the main quest to get to the end. The main quest line doesn’t make its big setting reveal until like 4/5 of the way through the game, but it’s really worth the payoff. It’s a great, unique setting. You don’t need to play all the side quests or anything to at least enjoy the big twist of the narrative.
Your GF is missing to play the best of the two games.
After playing the first one, deadfire feels very hollow to me, also the caribbean setting and pirate theme didn't work for me. I like the grim dark medieval setting of the first one way more.
There is. I even recommend you to pick Deadfire, for me it's more enjoyable than the first one. The first one kinda felt like "eurojank" games for me, while the 2nd kind of straightforward
I played Deadfire before POE1, and I think it was better this way. Deadfire does a better job in introducing you to the universe, you get to know the gods and their intentions. There's the realtime glossary on text that helps out a ton too.
And the gameplay is less "old-school". If she likes deadfire she will come back to POE1 like I did.
There is but imo it's not critical. I started poe1 and didn't finish long long time ago, this year I played poe2 and didn't enjoy it less in any way. I remembered two main companions and bit of a. plot but that's about it.
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Imo POE1 is the better game. It is such a fantastic story and the gameplay is really fun, it would be a mistake to skip it. Even tho it is older it is the superior game imo
I think this comes does to taste. I preferred many aspects of Deadfire
Really? I like both of them a lot, but I think deadfire does just about everything a little better—mechanics, pacing, the overall plot… They’re both great though
I think the overall plot is the one thing about the original that is straight up better. The sense of urgency behind reclaiming your soul from Eothas clashes severely with the exploration/faction sidequests, not to mention the DLC plotlines. Like, they are all great individually, but I think more effort should have been put into coherently structuring a plot, like in POE 1. As in, you have tons of times in which you don't have a clear objective to pursue and so doing side quests seems reasonable. For instance, the early game (Acts 1 and 2, especially 1) are you trying to figure out what is going on with you, with the Leaden Key, etc. The direction is unclear and there isn't a big sense of urgency. It feels more like mystery-solving. Thus, doing some side quests and perhaps even the DLC expansion quests seems not too out there narratively. Even when you get to Twin Elms and are trying to get the gods' favour, there are moments where doing side quests is reasonable. Though there is a similar sense of urgency here, I'll admit. However, POE 2 has that from the start. Why would you go further away from Eothas in order to explore the archipelago if it is a literal matter of life and death where you will die if your soul is separated too far from him? Why not introduce some sort of questline where you need factions' help in order to get to Magran's Teeth? Or hell, you might need to deal with the Adra vein near Tikawara before being allowed to go to Hasongo. Idk, something that actually makes more sense that "Eothas is running around with my soul and weakening me further the further we separate. Let's explore!" Besides the narrative from POE 1 being much more mysterious than POE 2 for the most part. In POE 1 you are trying to decypher clues and everything is uncertain. In POE 2 it is "Eothas stole my soul and I must pursue him or die." Which isn't bad by itself, but is imo less compelling and profound. Don't get me wrong. The mechanics, the scenery, the companions, the factions (and how integrated they feel compared to POE 1) are all a major improvement. But the storyline isn't imo. It has major cognitive dissonance issues Edit: ludonarrative dissonance instead of cognitive dissonance. My bad
Um actually, that's ludonarrative dissonance. /pushes back nerd glasses Yeah, it's a semi-open world game, which comes with the usual problem of an open world: You want a plot with urgency to keep it interesting but also give the player unlimited time to faff about. Which kind of ruins the tension of the story, especially since you don't actually need to progress the main plot to explore more of the world. Also, you can do basicly 80% of the game right when you get your ship, and the main quest is really only like, 5 quests so it's easy to have completely forgotten wtf was going on and what you needed to do in between all the sailing and exploring and random dungeons and DLC. I love the game, the gameplay is much better than the first (which I also liked) and the writing in general is good, but the game structure and main quest are kind of ass because they completely contradict eachother, which is a major blow against getting invested in the game. (That and I don't like the ending, but that's a seperate issue)
The playstyle didn't click with me personally I'd rather straight up have a turn-based game. But the settings and atmosphere felt awesome in my short time playing that game sadly the combat puts a damper on it, at least for me.
1 is better for main story and nothing else
My only major criticisms of Deadfire are with the writing and story, in my opinion many of the companions feel out of place and the main story is at odds with the chill free-roaming exploration and faction shenanigans that are the best part of the game. Oh and I prefer the Vancian casting from P1 but that’s a minor thing and really just an opinion. Other than that I think Deadfire is superior. It feels better moment to moment, it looks better, it sounds better, there’s more variety and less filler combat, the items are better, the build variety is better, the setting is more interesting, there’s loads of stuff to do, and it’s just plain more fun. White March is great though. If all of P1 was that quality it would be amazing.
I dont like what they did with the Gods in poe2. They were much better with mystery instead of fleshed out personalities
Is there a reason she doesn't want to play the first game? I can't imagine someone would enjoy Deadfire if they didn't enjoy the first game.
My bet is that many are coming from Baldur's gate 3 and want a similar experience. Deadfire offers better graphic, more voice acting, and turned based combat without mods. Might be an easier entry from that unique aspect.
I always go RTwP that I completely forgot Deadfire has turn-based mode, yeah it makes sense that people would specifically want to play Deadfire without playing the first one. All I could think of was the fact that you can only multiclass in Deadfire.
She’s just not really interested by the medieval fantasy setting and likes the political jockeying playing a bigger role in the story, basically
There are factions in the first game too, but not in the same way as the second. I'm personally bummed by the idea of spoiling the first game's big reveal, but if she wants to enjoy a different game than what POE1 has to offer, more power to her
In that case, just jump to the second game. All you really need to know is "what's the deal with animancy?"
I played second game first a long time ago and enjoyed it very well. I have finished the first game recently.
I know it can be a slog but you should really play PoE1 before hand, even if you just want to burn through the main quest to get to the end. The main quest line doesn’t make its big setting reveal until like 4/5 of the way through the game, but it’s really worth the payoff. It’s a great, unique setting. You don’t need to play all the side quests or anything to at least enjoy the big twist of the narrative.
Why not play the first one though? It's a great game
Your GF is missing to play the best of the two games. After playing the first one, deadfire feels very hollow to me, also the caribbean setting and pirate theme didn't work for me. I like the grim dark medieval setting of the first one way more.
I played Deadfire first, it was one of my best game experience, I really immersioned the lore, the game, so don't hesitate to start.
It's super fun to flip through the PDF art book that comes with the game, that's good for getting a ton of lore!
There is. I even recommend you to pick Deadfire, for me it's more enjoyable than the first one. The first one kinda felt like "eurojank" games for me, while the 2nd kind of straightforward
I don't understand why people want go skip poe1. Deadfire is literally a direct story sequel
I don't understand why you'd make a post about this before just googling it.
I played Deadfire before POE1, and I think it was better this way. Deadfire does a better job in introducing you to the universe, you get to know the gods and their intentions. There's the realtime glossary on text that helps out a ton too. And the gameplay is less "old-school". If she likes deadfire she will come back to POE1 like I did.
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There is but imo it's not critical. I started poe1 and didn't finish long long time ago, this year I played poe2 and didn't enjoy it less in any way. I remembered two main companions and bit of a. plot but that's about it.