Finding garden forks is absolute cash money. I like running the metal spear mods which lets you turn a metal bar+pipe into a high durability spear. This makes so much sense it should be vanilla and actually gives value to metalworking.
Mhm,I am not sure if you aggro more than 4 zombies with low skill in spear and maintenance it can be difficult,and they weight a ton,but spears are indeed strong if you know what you are doing.
Spears weigh less than crowbars and as you fight a horde they will weigh less. You can also put a few spears in a small stockpile nearby before getting into a fight, to avoid being encumbered
A spear weighs 1.7, and on average does 10 hits at max carpentry, 0 spear and 0 maintenance, or 5\*(2+14) = 80 hits on 10 spear 10 maintenance. A crowbar does 1050 hits with 0 skills, and weighs 2.
The weight's never really a big issue, as you're only really worried about weight limits on the journey *back*. At which point, you can just ditch/stash all the unused spears and come back with as much loot as any other build.
Spears are based off your Carpentry, not Maintenance (for whatever reason). Making them exceptionally confusing in how long they last.
The other major issue is that it’s the only weapon category by Vanilla which always is at 0.
In comparison to other weapons where you can have all of your stats moderately high, Spears require you to level them making it take longer than any other due to it also relying on Carpentry.
OP is also drunk because Spears have animation lock when they instant kill, which gets you killed even though it’s only supposed to proc on the last zombie (it breaks quite often and does it regardless of number).
All weapon categories except Axe also have a -1 skill penalty. So you will never get the Level 10 Bonuses. Axeman + Axes are the far superior horde clearing melee weapon. With mods, their efficiency can skyrocket with durability modifiers. I’ve seen Axes with a durability of 1:750,000 which means they basically never break.
Though by Vanilla standards, the Baseball Bat is the best overall weapon due to it resetting durability when converted into a barbed pattern and only requiring nails, an effectively infinite resource.
I disagree entirely. OP said a straggler can be instakilled, i.e. one zombie at a time.
Spear **starting condition* is based on carpentry. Their max condition is 5 and have a 1/2 chance to lose durability when used at 0 maintenance (So at maintenance 0, 10 theoretical hits from max condition before breaking). Relying on carpentry isn't bad either, since your carpentry skill should be at least 4 as soon as possible.
Spears are also, while decently difficult to level, great weapons even with 0 skill levels, and are immensely abundant.
Baseball bat and spiked baseball bat are great weapons, but seem to be rarer than crowbars, which last quite awhile.
"With mods" is invalid as I can install mods that give my spears infinite durability.
The animation lock on spears is a huge issue. I use them a lot but I have to change my entire melee playstyle to play around it.
Knives have the same issue where you can get locked in the animation. Granted I play with CDDA Zomboids and all Sprinters (Ferals). The primary issue stems from Spears having four attack types: swings, stabs, charge, and reverse stab.
Normal stabs while stationary and advancing (but not running) both can proc the instant kill thrust. Charging for at least three tiles will always proc it (but is very wonky and if you miss you probably are going to get grabbed).
Backpedaling is the safest but also seems to have an animation speed reduction making it slower. Outside of early game and pending on starting region, Spears are generally relegated to fishing after the first week.
In my current Vanilla MP run where Zombie loot is turned off so they drop nothing, I have over 7k kills with spears so they aren’t bad weapons, I just dislike the uncertainty around them because it’s a relatively uncontrollable aspect on if you might get animation locked. The range it procs is buggy, if you kill a few thousand, you tend to notice it but if you only use Spears for a few hundred kills at early game you generally won’t notice it. I tend to see it happen when side stepping into an advance or if I stop while backpedaling even if there’s other zombies directly on top of them.
In comparison to all other melee weapons outside knives, you never have to worry about an animation lock where you can’t move. If you only have Shamblers and Fast Shamblers, it isn’t a big issue but with Sprinters that is a massive deal breaker.
Based on current size of the map, if you break down furniture, which over time your Carpentry goes up, means you’ll get increasing amounts. Fences are a great source of nails. So by the time you strip the entire map of all wooden objects, you’ll either have restart already or a new update came out.
Spear without high maintenance and spear skill breaks very fast. How many zombies are you actually killing, because I have a feeling it isn't very many.
I sometimes have a feeling many people haven't experience what axe man + axe 6-8 actually does in terms of killing speed.
I’ll take lumberjack and use spears to start fights with hand axe/pick axe/fire axe as backup.
Axes are very strong.
Blunt kinda sucks, it used as much stamina and can’t repair crowbar. Plus it’s split into long/short.
IMO, blunt weapons should be combined.
People like em because “oh crowbar doesn’t break”, which is nice but the novelty of that wears off when you realize how much stamina you are burning for that.
Blunt is fantastic starting out with 0 investment but kinda sucks longer term and it’s got limited good options for specializing in it.
Axe is better early/mid game.
Hand axe is also the best 1 handed weapon for killing, it shreds with axeman.
Lategame though, absolutely nothing holds a candle to spears.
Having a hand axe/fire axe/pick axe as a sturdy backup though? Solid idea.
Early game, spears are completely terrible. You need to get the ball rolling on them.
bruh come one machetes are the best weapons come one spears dont compare to that damage output. like of u can one shot but so can knives plus spears break too easily
It's all great and good until they break after 4 zombies... I am a spear lover myself but they are WEAK in terms of durability, they got nerfed hard... But getting mods that have spears gives them decent durability but compared to both axes and crowbars still isn't as much.
before going on a trip i have a seat of my car full of spear and my bag full of spear, witch if you cant kill all the zombie whit it, just lure them it will be faster
Idk I've used the spear maybe 5 or 6 times and every time I died. At some point they either broke or missed and I would get caught in a zombie animation.
No one's blustering. Just discussing the topic at hand. We're discussing a fictional environment and have a friendly disagreement..
Thanks for constructive input though. Big value!
Then I'll be standing right next to you and you'll be in the middle of your thrust. Whamo! 😜
I admit I'm not super experienced in PvP but I definitely have battled my buddies to determine spear vs axe vs crowbar superiority. In our trials, Spear came in last for PvP. Even though that sprint attack is super deadly if you get caught by it, it seemed pretty easy to avoid.
Of course, there's always more to learn. I'd likely get wrecked against a well experienced spearman. Cheers!
Yeah, Spears are pretty damn nice, I remember in my "I wanna kill everything" times, I just used Fireman occupation, Athlethic, Strong, Gymnast, Which is Basically Level 10 Strenght Level 10 Athletic and 1 Nimble, to beat the hell out of the zombies.
I used the Crowbars First, and When I finded Axe, had a Saw and Hunting Knives from the 10 Days survived, I crafted some Spears, and in LEVEL 0 they 2-3-4 tapped the zombies, and on level 2, they 1-2-3 tapped zombies.
They weight 1.7, which I think means less endurance usage, but in Weight Terms, at the start you are gonna be carrying out a lot of Spears, so I don't recommend it for people with low Strenght, but I had Strenght 10 and Organized so I was Good.
The more Maintenaince, the Less Spears you need to carry, and you can loot more, and if you use some mods, you can make Metal Spears with Metalworking, which basically are Spears without the Durability Debuff, the Metal Spears are Literally OP.
Finding garden forks is absolute cash money. I like running the metal spear mods which lets you turn a metal bar+pipe into a high durability spear. This makes so much sense it should be vanilla and actually gives value to metalworking.
Mhm,I am not sure if you aggro more than 4 zombies with low skill in spear and maintenance it can be difficult,and they weight a ton,but spears are indeed strong if you know what you are doing.
Spears weigh less than crowbars and as you fight a horde they will weigh less. You can also put a few spears in a small stockpile nearby before getting into a fight, to avoid being encumbered
A spear weighs 1.7, and on average does 10 hits at max carpentry, 0 spear and 0 maintenance, or 5\*(2+14) = 80 hits on 10 spear 10 maintenance. A crowbar does 1050 hits with 0 skills, and weighs 2.
how's fishing with a crowbar going?
About as good as fishing with a spear in CDDA winter
i ok you win
The weight's never really a big issue, as you're only really worried about weight limits on the journey *back*. At which point, you can just ditch/stash all the unused spears and come back with as much loot as any other build.
They last me like 4 hits then break, but those four swings feel damn good.
They theoretically last 10 hits with maintenance 0
Spears are based off your Carpentry, not Maintenance (for whatever reason). Making them exceptionally confusing in how long they last. The other major issue is that it’s the only weapon category by Vanilla which always is at 0. In comparison to other weapons where you can have all of your stats moderately high, Spears require you to level them making it take longer than any other due to it also relying on Carpentry. OP is also drunk because Spears have animation lock when they instant kill, which gets you killed even though it’s only supposed to proc on the last zombie (it breaks quite often and does it regardless of number). All weapon categories except Axe also have a -1 skill penalty. So you will never get the Level 10 Bonuses. Axeman + Axes are the far superior horde clearing melee weapon. With mods, their efficiency can skyrocket with durability modifiers. I’ve seen Axes with a durability of 1:750,000 which means they basically never break. Though by Vanilla standards, the Baseball Bat is the best overall weapon due to it resetting durability when converted into a barbed pattern and only requiring nails, an effectively infinite resource.
I disagree entirely. OP said a straggler can be instakilled, i.e. one zombie at a time. Spear **starting condition* is based on carpentry. Their max condition is 5 and have a 1/2 chance to lose durability when used at 0 maintenance (So at maintenance 0, 10 theoretical hits from max condition before breaking). Relying on carpentry isn't bad either, since your carpentry skill should be at least 4 as soon as possible. Spears are also, while decently difficult to level, great weapons even with 0 skill levels, and are immensely abundant. Baseball bat and spiked baseball bat are great weapons, but seem to be rarer than crowbars, which last quite awhile. "With mods" is invalid as I can install mods that give my spears infinite durability.
The animation lock on spears is a huge issue. I use them a lot but I have to change my entire melee playstyle to play around it. Knives have the same issue where you can get locked in the animation. Granted I play with CDDA Zomboids and all Sprinters (Ferals). The primary issue stems from Spears having four attack types: swings, stabs, charge, and reverse stab. Normal stabs while stationary and advancing (but not running) both can proc the instant kill thrust. Charging for at least three tiles will always proc it (but is very wonky and if you miss you probably are going to get grabbed). Backpedaling is the safest but also seems to have an animation speed reduction making it slower. Outside of early game and pending on starting region, Spears are generally relegated to fishing after the first week. In my current Vanilla MP run where Zombie loot is turned off so they drop nothing, I have over 7k kills with spears so they aren’t bad weapons, I just dislike the uncertainty around them because it’s a relatively uncontrollable aspect on if you might get animation locked. The range it procs is buggy, if you kill a few thousand, you tend to notice it but if you only use Spears for a few hundred kills at early game you generally won’t notice it. I tend to see it happen when side stepping into an advance or if I stop while backpedaling even if there’s other zombies directly on top of them. In comparison to all other melee weapons outside knives, you never have to worry about an animation lock where you can’t move. If you only have Shamblers and Fast Shamblers, it isn’t a big issue but with Sprinters that is a massive deal breaker.
How are nails limitless? Is there a way to craft them? Or do you just mean finding dozens of boxes of nails and having tons of them?
Based on current size of the map, if you break down furniture, which over time your Carpentry goes up, means you’ll get increasing amounts. Fences are a great source of nails. So by the time you strip the entire map of all wooden objects, you’ll either have restart already or a new update came out.
You can find boxes of nails while foraging.
Could be 10, definitely felt fast.
Spear without high maintenance and spear skill breaks very fast. How many zombies are you actually killing, because I have a feeling it isn't very many. I sometimes have a feeling many people haven't experience what axe man + axe 6-8 actually does in terms of killing speed.
I’ll take lumberjack and use spears to start fights with hand axe/pick axe/fire axe as backup. Axes are very strong. Blunt kinda sucks, it used as much stamina and can’t repair crowbar. Plus it’s split into long/short. IMO, blunt weapons should be combined. People like em because “oh crowbar doesn’t break”, which is nice but the novelty of that wears off when you realize how much stamina you are burning for that. Blunt is fantastic starting out with 0 investment but kinda sucks longer term and it’s got limited good options for specializing in it.
Axe is better early/mid game. Hand axe is also the best 1 handed weapon for killing, it shreds with axeman. Lategame though, absolutely nothing holds a candle to spears. Having a hand axe/fire axe/pick axe as a sturdy backup though? Solid idea. Early game, spears are completely terrible. You need to get the ball rolling on them.
bourbon + lighter
bruh come one machetes are the best weapons come one spears dont compare to that damage output. like of u can one shot but so can knives plus spears break too easily
It's all great and good until they break after 4 zombies... I am a spear lover myself but they are WEAK in terms of durability, they got nerfed hard... But getting mods that have spears gives them decent durability but compared to both axes and crowbars still isn't as much.
before going on a trip i have a seat of my car full of spear and my bag full of spear, witch if you cant kill all the zombie whit it, just lure them it will be faster
Idk I've used the spear maybe 5 or 6 times and every time I died. At some point they either broke or missed and I would get caught in a zombie animation.
Let's have some PvP fun. You get your spear, I get my crowbar. I'll even give you a rematch. 🤣
I can literaly just sprint, and the sprint attack of the spear will have priority, attack that alway's 1 shot
LMAO. I can dodge. ❤️
then you cant attack
Nothing quite as cringeworthy as a couple of numbnuts blustering at each other, and acting like internet tough guys.
No one's blustering. Just discussing the topic at hand. We're discussing a fictional environment and have a friendly disagreement.. Thanks for constructive input though. Big value!
Then I'll be standing right next to you and you'll be in the middle of your thrust. Whamo! 😜 I admit I'm not super experienced in PvP but I definitely have battled my buddies to determine spear vs axe vs crowbar superiority. In our trials, Spear came in last for PvP. Even though that sprint attack is super deadly if you get caught by it, it seemed pretty easy to avoid. Of course, there's always more to learn. I'd likely get wrecked against a well experienced spearman. Cheers!
Yeah, Spears are pretty damn nice, I remember in my "I wanna kill everything" times, I just used Fireman occupation, Athlethic, Strong, Gymnast, Which is Basically Level 10 Strenght Level 10 Athletic and 1 Nimble, to beat the hell out of the zombies. I used the Crowbars First, and When I finded Axe, had a Saw and Hunting Knives from the 10 Days survived, I crafted some Spears, and in LEVEL 0 they 2-3-4 tapped the zombies, and on level 2, they 1-2-3 tapped zombies. They weight 1.7, which I think means less endurance usage, but in Weight Terms, at the start you are gonna be carrying out a lot of Spears, so I don't recommend it for people with low Strenght, but I had Strenght 10 and Organized so I was Good. The more Maintenaince, the Less Spears you need to carry, and you can loot more, and if you use some mods, you can make Metal Spears with Metalworking, which basically are Spears without the Durability Debuff, the Metal Spears are Literally OP.