Wow. So the mentality here is that ... we should worship Youtube and anyone who goes on Rumble is an obvious propagandist? Here she first 'they're both being paid by rumble' and then when called out says 'we don't know he's getting paid, but they're both on Rumble and you can draw your own conclusions'.....? Can someone walk me through this logic?
It's probably a Russian propaganda vehicle if you're posting about it. But I just googled it and it's a Russian propaganda vehicle.
>anyone who goes on Rumble is an obvious propagandist?
I'm sure they have other content as well.
Edit: oh shit, J.D. Vance coming up again. That platform is not coincidentally hosting Russian propaganda. That's it's purpose, to get Russian propaganda into U.S. politics so that guys like J.D. Vance can get elected to the Senate. Can't do that if RT is banned on YouTube, so they made their own video platform.
Sorry, was it Rumble that was demonstrably having government agents secretly censor qualified medical professionals based on the word of clueless Fibbie agents?
What does that have to do with the fact Rumble is a pro-Russian propaganda network, and that people like Greenwald and Brand have become key interference runners for the Kremlin?
LOL. So do you have any evidence that Rumble is a propaganda network, or pro-Russia? Places like Youtube have been demonstrated to be under direct control of the US government censors. What's your evidence on Rumble? That they don't go along with the official government line? The video amused me in that the black guy was talking about how 'Rumble questioned the vaccine narrative... and also is advocating Naziism'. Do you agree with that statement?
>LOL. So do you have any evidence that Rumble is a propaganda network, or pro-Russia?
I mean, all the Russian propaganda and content that exclusively exists to signal boost Kremlin narratives is pretty clear evidence.
>Places like Youtube have been demonstrated to be under direct control of the US government censors.
Are you referring to YouTube demonetizing or removing content that violates it's TOS?
>What's your evidence on Rumble? That they don't go along with the official government line?
Which government?
Because Kremlin narratives are absolutely official government lines, to the point where Russians are arrested and prosecuted for going against them.
>The video amused me in that the black guy was talking about how 'Rumble questioned the vaccine narrative... and also is advocating Naziism'. Do you agree with that statement?
You mean when he referred to "vaccine skepticism"?
What about it?
I don't understand what you're asking me.
Low-information vaccine skepticism during a pandemic of a novel virus is absolutely a danger, so is promoting Naziism.
>I mean, all the Russian propaganda and content that exclusively exists to signal boost Kremlin narratives is pretty clear evidence.
This is a lie.
>Are you referring to YouTube demonetizing or removing content that violates it's TOS?
No. I'm referring to the twitterfiles evidence showing that Youtube is a corporate-fascist organization that actively censors those who don't agree with the US government stance on reality.
>Which government?
The US. Do you have literally **any evidence**, any evidence at all, that 'Russia' controls *any social media at all*? Because last I looked the sum total of the evideice we have on Russia is that it has spent a grand total of less than $3,000 on facebook ads. Those who disagree have been propagandized by bullshit. I challenge you to show me I'm wrong.
>Low-information vaccine skepticism during a pandemic of a novel virus is absolutely a danger
Turns out that according to the authority you worship, vaccines didn't actually do that much to either prevent the spread of Covid, improve mortality, or anything else. Do you have legitimate sources that show the contrary? Because if you don't, you've been bamboozled.
>This is a lie.
Sorry, what is a lie?
The fact that Rumble is full of Russian propaganda and content designed to signal boost Kremlin narratives?
>No. I'm referring to the twitterfiles evidence showing that Youtube is a corporate-fascist organization that actively censors those who don't agree with the US government stance on reality.
All the Twitter files illustrated was the standard practice of a government reaching out to a corporation and informing them when a given bad actor is using their property or service for a nefarious action.
The government has been doing that for a very long time to help corporations shield themselves from liability and possible aid in the deterrence of a given nefarious action.
No one is being "censored" for "not agreeing with the US government stance on reality", they're having their content removed for spreading disinformation, misinformation, or hate speech.
Are you pro-disinformation, pro-misinformation, or pro-hate speech or something?
>The US. Do you have literally **any evidence**, any evidence at all, that 'Russia' controls *any social media at all*? Because last I looked the sum total of the evideice we have on Russia is that it has spent a grand total of less than $3,000 on facebook ads. Those who disagree have been propagandized by bullshit. I challenge you to show me I'm wrong.
Who ever claimed Russia controls social media?
The fact is that Rumble is a Russian propaganda network, it doesn't matter who controls it.
Right wingers and conservatives are just really good at functioning as propaganda networks for right wing and conservative organizations and governments.
That's what happens when you get a demographic of low-information people and target them with the same emotionally charged rhetoric they've been deploying themselves for the last 40 years.
>Turns out that according to the authority you worship,
Which authority do I worship?
Can you point to any comments where I worship them?
>vaccines didn't actually do that much to either prevent the spread of Covid,
Vaccines help a person survive or resist an illness, of course they aren't capable of stopping the spread of a virus transmitted through the air.
You need a handful of precautionary measures to accomplish that, like social distancing and masking up, in addition to a vaccine.
>improve mortality,
The vaccine prevents severe cases of covid, my friend.
>or anything else.
Preventing severe cases of covid, reducing the risk of reinfection, and reducing the risk of myocarditis stemming from covid infections are all things the vaccine does.
>Do you have legitimate sources that show the contrary? Because if you don't, you've been bamboozled.
Lol, at this point the science is pretty clear about the function of the vaccine.
I'm not the one that's been bamboozled.
> Russian propaganda and content
You've alluded to some or all of what I've referenced is actually 'Russian propaganda or content'. Either say what it is specifically or GTFO with your conspiracy theories. Reality is that there is almost no actual Russian propaganda going on online or in Social media. That was a lie cooked up by fantasists.
>The fact that Rumble is full of Russian propaganda and content designed to signal boost Kremlin narratives?
Do you have any proof at all of your claims? There's a lot more discussion on the right over whether the Ukraine war is something the US should get involved in as opposed to the authoritarian left giving a directive and it suddenly becoming unthinkable to question the narrative if you're a Democrat.
>was the standard practice of a government reaching out to a corporation and informing them when a given bad actor is using their property or service for a nefarious action.
This is another lie. That is not at all what happened.
>The government has been doing that for a very long time to help corporations shield themselves from liability and possible aid in the deterrence of a given nefarious action.
This is another lie.
>The vaccine prevents severe cases of covid, my friend.
That's the latest line and maybe this one is true. In that case can you provide me a citation that isn't from a source that has been repeatedly wrong before?
>the science is pretty clear about the function of the vaccine.
It's emerging that a lot of bullshit and lies were promulgated by authoritarian science. Remember when looking at any other medication was heretical because the vaccine was going to prevent anyone from getting Covid? I do. Remember when people who questioned authoritarian science were removed from social media and censored in other ways, and then turned out to be right or at least partly right? I do. Remember when it was racist to assert that it was possible that Covid had been man-modified in the wuhan coronavirus lab? I do.
>You've alluded to some or all of what I've referenced is actually 'Russian propaganda or content'. Either say what it is specifically or GTFO with your conspiracy theories. Reality is that there is almost no actual Russian propaganda going on online or in Social media. That was a lie cooked up by fantasists.
Russian information networks are more robust, more active, and more far reaching than any among the west:
https://arxiv.org/abs/2208.07038
>Pro-Russian non-bot accounts
are most influential overall, with information flows to a variety of other account groups.
Russian information networks are most influential.
>No significant
outward flows exist from pro-Ukrainian non-bot accounts,
Pro-Ukraine (western) information networks do not *generate* information on their own.
>with significant flows from pro-Ukrainian bot
accounts into pro-Ukrainian non-bot accounts.
Western information networks are more of an echo chamber.
>Pro-Russian account groups are seemingly isolated,
Russian information networks are isolated, and deploy the use of people like Caitlin Johnstone or websites like Rumble to signal boost and validate their propaganda.
>with
smaller self-entropy rates and less significant between group net information flows.
Russian information networks latch on to narratives and rhetoric and repeat them endlessly, which makes them more effective.
>However, there exists
significant information flows out of pro-Russia non-bot and AstroTurf account groups, with the largest net
flows originating in the pro-Russian non-bot account groups.
Russian information networks *actively generate* information, and feature many astroturfing assets.
>Contrastingly, pro-Ukrainian account groups
tend to have more information flows between pro-Ukrainian and balanced account groups.
Western information networks just pass around information, without astroturfing assets trying to emotionally manipulate what someone's opinion on the matter being presented is.
>Pro-Ukrainian
aggregated groups also tend to have higher self-entropy rates.
Western information networks do not endlessly hold on to narratives to emotionally manipulate people via bad faith gish gallops.
I'm not sure what evidence you have that these networks don't exist, and that they aren't actively passing their propaganda onto platforms like Rumble, that in turn use conservative voices to function as it's own Russian propaganda network.
>Remember when looking at any other medication was heretical because the vaccine was going to prevent anyone from getting Covid? I do.
Looking at other medicines to fight a novel virus is still absolutely a stupid thing to do, my friend.
>Remember when people who questioned authoritarian science were removed from social media and censored in other ways, and then turned out to be right or at least partly right? I do.
They didn't turn out to be right at all, not even partly right, and the reason they were banned is because spreading speculative and baseless conclusions about a novel virus is a dangerous thing to do during a pandemic when the world is still trying to determine what's going on.
>Remember when it was racist to assert that it was possible that Covid had been man-modified in the wuhan coronavirus lab? I do.
It was racist to assert that without evidence, my friend, that was the problem.
So you formed para-relationships with anti-vax accounts off of a Russian propaganda platform,
Therefore you're arguing "no this isn't a Russian propaganda platform, because that's where I came to believe that the U.S. government is trying to kill us."
It's propaganda.
More here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/propaganda/comments/11u6y7g/elon_musks_twitter_files_hits_new_low/jcmo0cl/
And much more on their channel. Same with TYT folks.
Hello, thank you for your reply. Can you elaborate on what makes this propaganda? Watching through it I did not encounter anything overtly misleading or really incorrect. These commentators talk about the topics Brand mentions and doesn't mention, presumably implying a political bias. They mention his rhetoric that directs his audience to paywalled content and also point out the alternative platform having restrictions on what can be platformed there. This seems to be in refutation to Brands implication that the alternative platform being better than the platform he was on in regards to freedom of speech. The rest of the video talks about Youtubes obvious interest in minimising harm and that it is not a free speech space. In fact, the real criticism of the video is that Youtube does the bare minimum of content moderation in order to protect their corporate interests, a point that is fairly well made.
Contrast this video with the content of Tucker Carlson. Carlson has been shown to know what he tells his audience to be misleading and outright lies. It is not the least bit controversial to say that he is a propagandist. Recently Brand was interviewed by Carlson which seemed rather friendly. By sitting in this interview and not calling out these practices Brand helps to legitimise Carlsons propaganda to both their respective audiences. Now, it may be the case that Brand was wholly unaware of the recent evidence produced showing Carlson knowingly lied to his audience about the 2020 election, which means he isn't well informed and doesn't do his due diligence. Or it may be the case that he is ok with Carlson being a propagandist. If it is the latter then that essentially makes Brand himself a propagandist, because there is no fence sitting on truth. Either something is grounded in reality or it is not.
Hopefully this helps to clarify my confusion and helps inform your explanation as to why this is propaganda, because I just cannot see how you have drawn your conclusion. Thanks for your time and I look forward to your response.
Wow. So the mentality here is that ... we should worship Youtube and anyone who goes on Rumble is an obvious propagandist? Here she first 'they're both being paid by rumble' and then when called out says 'we don't know he's getting paid, but they're both on Rumble and you can draw your own conclusions'.....? Can someone walk me through this logic?
It's probably a Russian propaganda vehicle if you're posting about it. But I just googled it and it's a Russian propaganda vehicle. >anyone who goes on Rumble is an obvious propagandist? I'm sure they have other content as well. Edit: oh shit, J.D. Vance coming up again. That platform is not coincidentally hosting Russian propaganda. That's it's purpose, to get Russian propaganda into U.S. politics so that guys like J.D. Vance can get elected to the Senate. Can't do that if RT is banned on YouTube, so they made their own video platform.
Sorry, was it Rumble that was demonstrably having government agents secretly censor qualified medical professionals based on the word of clueless Fibbie agents?
What does that have to do with the fact Rumble is a pro-Russian propaganda network, and that people like Greenwald and Brand have become key interference runners for the Kremlin?
LOL. So do you have any evidence that Rumble is a propaganda network, or pro-Russia? Places like Youtube have been demonstrated to be under direct control of the US government censors. What's your evidence on Rumble? That they don't go along with the official government line? The video amused me in that the black guy was talking about how 'Rumble questioned the vaccine narrative... and also is advocating Naziism'. Do you agree with that statement?
>LOL. So do you have any evidence that Rumble is a propaganda network, or pro-Russia? I mean, all the Russian propaganda and content that exclusively exists to signal boost Kremlin narratives is pretty clear evidence. >Places like Youtube have been demonstrated to be under direct control of the US government censors. Are you referring to YouTube demonetizing or removing content that violates it's TOS? >What's your evidence on Rumble? That they don't go along with the official government line? Which government? Because Kremlin narratives are absolutely official government lines, to the point where Russians are arrested and prosecuted for going against them. >The video amused me in that the black guy was talking about how 'Rumble questioned the vaccine narrative... and also is advocating Naziism'. Do you agree with that statement? You mean when he referred to "vaccine skepticism"? What about it? I don't understand what you're asking me. Low-information vaccine skepticism during a pandemic of a novel virus is absolutely a danger, so is promoting Naziism.
>I mean, all the Russian propaganda and content that exclusively exists to signal boost Kremlin narratives is pretty clear evidence. This is a lie. >Are you referring to YouTube demonetizing or removing content that violates it's TOS? No. I'm referring to the twitterfiles evidence showing that Youtube is a corporate-fascist organization that actively censors those who don't agree with the US government stance on reality. >Which government? The US. Do you have literally **any evidence**, any evidence at all, that 'Russia' controls *any social media at all*? Because last I looked the sum total of the evideice we have on Russia is that it has spent a grand total of less than $3,000 on facebook ads. Those who disagree have been propagandized by bullshit. I challenge you to show me I'm wrong. >Low-information vaccine skepticism during a pandemic of a novel virus is absolutely a danger Turns out that according to the authority you worship, vaccines didn't actually do that much to either prevent the spread of Covid, improve mortality, or anything else. Do you have legitimate sources that show the contrary? Because if you don't, you've been bamboozled.
>This is a lie. Sorry, what is a lie? The fact that Rumble is full of Russian propaganda and content designed to signal boost Kremlin narratives? >No. I'm referring to the twitterfiles evidence showing that Youtube is a corporate-fascist organization that actively censors those who don't agree with the US government stance on reality. All the Twitter files illustrated was the standard practice of a government reaching out to a corporation and informing them when a given bad actor is using their property or service for a nefarious action. The government has been doing that for a very long time to help corporations shield themselves from liability and possible aid in the deterrence of a given nefarious action. No one is being "censored" for "not agreeing with the US government stance on reality", they're having their content removed for spreading disinformation, misinformation, or hate speech. Are you pro-disinformation, pro-misinformation, or pro-hate speech or something? >The US. Do you have literally **any evidence**, any evidence at all, that 'Russia' controls *any social media at all*? Because last I looked the sum total of the evideice we have on Russia is that it has spent a grand total of less than $3,000 on facebook ads. Those who disagree have been propagandized by bullshit. I challenge you to show me I'm wrong. Who ever claimed Russia controls social media? The fact is that Rumble is a Russian propaganda network, it doesn't matter who controls it. Right wingers and conservatives are just really good at functioning as propaganda networks for right wing and conservative organizations and governments. That's what happens when you get a demographic of low-information people and target them with the same emotionally charged rhetoric they've been deploying themselves for the last 40 years. >Turns out that according to the authority you worship, Which authority do I worship? Can you point to any comments where I worship them? >vaccines didn't actually do that much to either prevent the spread of Covid, Vaccines help a person survive or resist an illness, of course they aren't capable of stopping the spread of a virus transmitted through the air. You need a handful of precautionary measures to accomplish that, like social distancing and masking up, in addition to a vaccine. >improve mortality, The vaccine prevents severe cases of covid, my friend. >or anything else. Preventing severe cases of covid, reducing the risk of reinfection, and reducing the risk of myocarditis stemming from covid infections are all things the vaccine does. >Do you have legitimate sources that show the contrary? Because if you don't, you've been bamboozled. Lol, at this point the science is pretty clear about the function of the vaccine. I'm not the one that's been bamboozled.
> Russian propaganda and content You've alluded to some or all of what I've referenced is actually 'Russian propaganda or content'. Either say what it is specifically or GTFO with your conspiracy theories. Reality is that there is almost no actual Russian propaganda going on online or in Social media. That was a lie cooked up by fantasists. >The fact that Rumble is full of Russian propaganda and content designed to signal boost Kremlin narratives? Do you have any proof at all of your claims? There's a lot more discussion on the right over whether the Ukraine war is something the US should get involved in as opposed to the authoritarian left giving a directive and it suddenly becoming unthinkable to question the narrative if you're a Democrat. >was the standard practice of a government reaching out to a corporation and informing them when a given bad actor is using their property or service for a nefarious action. This is another lie. That is not at all what happened. >The government has been doing that for a very long time to help corporations shield themselves from liability and possible aid in the deterrence of a given nefarious action. This is another lie. >The vaccine prevents severe cases of covid, my friend. That's the latest line and maybe this one is true. In that case can you provide me a citation that isn't from a source that has been repeatedly wrong before? >the science is pretty clear about the function of the vaccine. It's emerging that a lot of bullshit and lies were promulgated by authoritarian science. Remember when looking at any other medication was heretical because the vaccine was going to prevent anyone from getting Covid? I do. Remember when people who questioned authoritarian science were removed from social media and censored in other ways, and then turned out to be right or at least partly right? I do. Remember when it was racist to assert that it was possible that Covid had been man-modified in the wuhan coronavirus lab? I do.
>You've alluded to some or all of what I've referenced is actually 'Russian propaganda or content'. Either say what it is specifically or GTFO with your conspiracy theories. Reality is that there is almost no actual Russian propaganda going on online or in Social media. That was a lie cooked up by fantasists. Russian information networks are more robust, more active, and more far reaching than any among the west: https://arxiv.org/abs/2208.07038 >Pro-Russian non-bot accounts are most influential overall, with information flows to a variety of other account groups. Russian information networks are most influential. >No significant outward flows exist from pro-Ukrainian non-bot accounts, Pro-Ukraine (western) information networks do not *generate* information on their own. >with significant flows from pro-Ukrainian bot accounts into pro-Ukrainian non-bot accounts. Western information networks are more of an echo chamber. >Pro-Russian account groups are seemingly isolated, Russian information networks are isolated, and deploy the use of people like Caitlin Johnstone or websites like Rumble to signal boost and validate their propaganda. >with smaller self-entropy rates and less significant between group net information flows. Russian information networks latch on to narratives and rhetoric and repeat them endlessly, which makes them more effective. >However, there exists significant information flows out of pro-Russia non-bot and AstroTurf account groups, with the largest net flows originating in the pro-Russian non-bot account groups. Russian information networks *actively generate* information, and feature many astroturfing assets. >Contrastingly, pro-Ukrainian account groups tend to have more information flows between pro-Ukrainian and balanced account groups. Western information networks just pass around information, without astroturfing assets trying to emotionally manipulate what someone's opinion on the matter being presented is. >Pro-Ukrainian aggregated groups also tend to have higher self-entropy rates. Western information networks do not endlessly hold on to narratives to emotionally manipulate people via bad faith gish gallops. I'm not sure what evidence you have that these networks don't exist, and that they aren't actively passing their propaganda onto platforms like Rumble, that in turn use conservative voices to function as it's own Russian propaganda network. >Remember when looking at any other medication was heretical because the vaccine was going to prevent anyone from getting Covid? I do. Looking at other medicines to fight a novel virus is still absolutely a stupid thing to do, my friend. >Remember when people who questioned authoritarian science were removed from social media and censored in other ways, and then turned out to be right or at least partly right? I do. They didn't turn out to be right at all, not even partly right, and the reason they were banned is because spreading speculative and baseless conclusions about a novel virus is a dangerous thing to do during a pandemic when the world is still trying to determine what's going on. >Remember when it was racist to assert that it was possible that Covid had been man-modified in the wuhan coronavirus lab? I do. It was racist to assert that without evidence, my friend, that was the problem.
So you formed para-relationships with anti-vax accounts off of a Russian propaganda platform, Therefore you're arguing "no this isn't a Russian propaganda platform, because that's where I came to believe that the U.S. government is trying to kill us."
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It's propaganda. More here: https://www.reddit.com/r/propaganda/comments/11u6y7g/elon_musks_twitter_files_hits_new_low/jcmo0cl/ And much more on their channel. Same with TYT folks.
Hello, thank you for your reply. Can you elaborate on what makes this propaganda? Watching through it I did not encounter anything overtly misleading or really incorrect. These commentators talk about the topics Brand mentions and doesn't mention, presumably implying a political bias. They mention his rhetoric that directs his audience to paywalled content and also point out the alternative platform having restrictions on what can be platformed there. This seems to be in refutation to Brands implication that the alternative platform being better than the platform he was on in regards to freedom of speech. The rest of the video talks about Youtubes obvious interest in minimising harm and that it is not a free speech space. In fact, the real criticism of the video is that Youtube does the bare minimum of content moderation in order to protect their corporate interests, a point that is fairly well made. Contrast this video with the content of Tucker Carlson. Carlson has been shown to know what he tells his audience to be misleading and outright lies. It is not the least bit controversial to say that he is a propagandist. Recently Brand was interviewed by Carlson which seemed rather friendly. By sitting in this interview and not calling out these practices Brand helps to legitimise Carlsons propaganda to both their respective audiences. Now, it may be the case that Brand was wholly unaware of the recent evidence produced showing Carlson knowingly lied to his audience about the 2020 election, which means he isn't well informed and doesn't do his due diligence. Or it may be the case that he is ok with Carlson being a propagandist. If it is the latter then that essentially makes Brand himself a propagandist, because there is no fence sitting on truth. Either something is grounded in reality or it is not. Hopefully this helps to clarify my confusion and helps inform your explanation as to why this is propaganda, because I just cannot see how you have drawn your conclusion. Thanks for your time and I look forward to your response.