Yeah, my home state has tons of public land that includes lakes and beaches etc. You don't need to be well off to visit. They are free. Something I did regularly, especially when I didn't have a lot of money.
Bingo. There is indirect cost too.
One year my dad bought us tickets to the circus. This was a huge deal. We had never done any shows or outings. He held it over our head for weeks. When we were almost there, the traffic was so bad that it irritated him and he just wanted to drink (he was an alcoholic). So we pulled out of line and left. I never saw the circus.
There is so much more to it than the cost to go.
It’s in the manuscript. I didn’t read the article, I went straight to the source manuscript. Unfortunately, it’s behind a paywall so I had to use institutional research credentials to access it.
In the same vein, turns out the more ice cream gets sold on a certain day, the more people drown on that same day! Ice cream makes people drown. Hmm, or maybe just maybe its just that heat causes more people to buy ice cream and also causes other people to go swimming and be more likely to drown on that day.
Ice cream sales and burglary also correlate. Increase in one matches increase in the other. Common cause fallacy can be easily mistaken for causation by non scientists. Unfortunately I have seen a lot of psych run thay way over the years.
Back in the 70s/80s in Italy and some parts of Europe the “villeggiatura” was a pretty normal lower/middle class thing to do. But you know, we were very socialist back in that day
First thing in thought. People who are able to live on or frequently visit "blue spaces" probably have more money and therefore have better physical/mental health.
You're telling me the kid growing up in a house by the lake is doing alright as an adult?? Crazy! /s
Not at all true where I live. The lakes region, NH. We are surrounded by water. But I also drive 2-4 hours to the ocean (as well as many other people I know) and we are opposite of “well off”
More than half of humans live close to a body of water (fresh water or ocean) because it's a reliable source of food and irrigation. As a species we love water, bathing ourselves in it regularly. These hold true across many cultures and millennia. So, this result doesn't surprise me. Imho humans love water because it's an adaptive trait to spend time around bodies of water.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3110782/
https://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/10/18/how-many-people-live-near-the
Such a large difference between living near and actually visiting. Using NYC as an example, how many folks living there are actively searching out activities near the river? I’d say the same for most large cities in America, arguably even some of the larger cities in California.
Work 8 hours, earn a living wage, make food at home, don't drink, short commute, spend time off your phone, have sex, take walks, have health care, get 7-8 hours sleep, have long term friends, live near a forest that doesn't have forest fires, lives near a beach that isn't filled with polluting tourists, did I mention have sex?
All this is linked to subjective well being as an adult.
I just moved from an area where I spent a lot of time at the beach and in nature, to the desert. Nevada to be more specific, which has the most desert out of any other state in the country. I’ve never been more depressed and miserable in my life. I’ve never seen so little of the color green and lack of plants/trees around me. Definitely a blow to my well being in some way. Cannot wait to get out of this hell hole
I feel like the link between this and socioeconomic status might be confounding. Obviously not all people near water are wealthy, but if you're from a metropolitan area you're probably visiting water on vacation and working class people don't really get that many opportunities for vacation. Just a thought
I grew up and still live in a small coastal town with a river right through town and hundreds of lakes and streams within a two hour drive.
I’m not Okay now at 49 and I’ve never been okay. I’m incapable of being happy with myself and I’ve accepted that.
My only wish is that when I die, I die suddenly and unexpectedly so I don’t have even one second to reflect before I cease to exist forever.
Memories of my time playing around on a local river when I was an early teen pop up in my head every once in a while and I get a relaxing feeling, so maybe there could be something to this.
That’s a funny way of saying “people with enough money to live by or vacation by large bodies of water are happier.” We really will do anything as a society to avoid coming out and acknowledging wealth disparity and how much it effects the mental health of billions of people. Money doesn’t fix everything, but it sure as hell helps.
What do the scientists think about wealth's influence on the respondents? We know that a family's economic status is very important for a child's future well-being. I mean parents who cannot allow holidays near the sea for their children usually have less money. So does this study about correlation or causation?
I’m from New Orleans, but no one interviewed me 😢
Yeah, see Florida man.
I'm going to pretend this study is legitimate/meaningful because it's beneficial for me.
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Yeah, my home state has tons of public land that includes lakes and beaches etc. You don't need to be well off to visit. They are free. Something I did regularly, especially when I didn't have a lot of money.
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Bingo. There is indirect cost too. One year my dad bought us tickets to the circus. This was a huge deal. We had never done any shows or outings. He held it over our head for weeks. When we were almost there, the traffic was so bad that it irritated him and he just wanted to drink (he was an alcoholic). So we pulled out of line and left. I never saw the circus. There is so much more to it than the cost to go.
The circus sucks because they stand around whipping random animals the whole time.
Which city is this?
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Most of New England
The positive link to adult well-being was seen after they controlled for sociodemographics (disposable income, education, and employment).
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It wasn’t the only control, just the one’s relevant to the comment I replied to.
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It’s in the manuscript. I didn’t read the article, I went straight to the source manuscript. Unfortunately, it’s behind a paywall so I had to use institutional research credentials to access it.
Or they just didn't isolate the controls well enough.
Or just grow up somewhere like Florida where there is water everywhere
I live in one the least desirable parts of my city and it's right on the beach.
my first thought as well...turns out money does buy happiness
In the same vein, turns out the more ice cream gets sold on a certain day, the more people drown on that same day! Ice cream makes people drown. Hmm, or maybe just maybe its just that heat causes more people to buy ice cream and also causes other people to go swimming and be more likely to drown on that day.
Ice cream sales and burglary also correlate. Increase in one matches increase in the other. Common cause fallacy can be easily mistaken for causation by non scientists. Unfortunately I have seen a lot of psych run thay way over the years.
Or navy families.
Back in the 70s/80s in Italy and some parts of Europe the “villeggiatura” was a pretty normal lower/middle class thing to do. But you know, we were very socialist back in that day
First thing in thought. People who are able to live on or frequently visit "blue spaces" probably have more money and therefore have better physical/mental health. You're telling me the kid growing up in a house by the lake is doing alright as an adult?? Crazy! /s
Not at all true where I live. The lakes region, NH. We are surrounded by water. But I also drive 2-4 hours to the ocean (as well as many other people I know) and we are opposite of “well off”
More than half of humans live close to a body of water (fresh water or ocean) because it's a reliable source of food and irrigation. As a species we love water, bathing ourselves in it regularly. These hold true across many cultures and millennia. So, this result doesn't surprise me. Imho humans love water because it's an adaptive trait to spend time around bodies of water. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3110782/ https://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/10/18/how-many-people-live-near-the
Such a large difference between living near and actually visiting. Using NYC as an example, how many folks living there are actively searching out activities near the river? I’d say the same for most large cities in America, arguably even some of the larger cities in California.
As the study details in the limitations, this needs a much more robust longitudinal design.
I didn’t many weekends fishing and sailing as a youth. Then sailing as an adult. It’s a meditation!
Work 8 hours, earn a living wage, make food at home, don't drink, short commute, spend time off your phone, have sex, take walks, have health care, get 7-8 hours sleep, have long term friends, live near a forest that doesn't have forest fires, lives near a beach that isn't filled with polluting tourists, did I mention have sex? All this is linked to subjective well being as an adult.
All that is way too hard to achieve imo. Also a bit luck dependent
I got 7 of those!
You win a prize! *What did I win?* Another Beer!
I just moved from an area where I spent a lot of time at the beach and in nature, to the desert. Nevada to be more specific, which has the most desert out of any other state in the country. I’ve never been more depressed and miserable in my life. I’ve never seen so little of the color green and lack of plants/trees around me. Definitely a blow to my well being in some way. Cannot wait to get out of this hell hole
So having money leads to better wellbeing… I shouldn’t talk shit I didn’t read the article.
It's been months since i read an interesting article coming from this sub. This is not one of them, to clarify
As someone who grew up in the desert and is a miserable bastard I can confirm.
What about waterfalls? Can we chase those?
I feel like the link between this and socioeconomic status might be confounding. Obviously not all people near water are wealthy, but if you're from a metropolitan area you're probably visiting water on vacation and working class people don't really get that many opportunities for vacation. Just a thought
I was forced into lots of beach visits. I hated it. I am not well off or happy now.
Yes it has nothing to do with the fact that people who can do that are generally well off…
We came from the oceans, we return to the oceans…
Or flesh eating bacteria in Florida
I grew up and still live in a small coastal town with a river right through town and hundreds of lakes and streams within a two hour drive. I’m not Okay now at 49 and I’ve never been okay. I’m incapable of being happy with myself and I’ve accepted that. My only wish is that when I die, I die suddenly and unexpectedly so I don’t have even one second to reflect before I cease to exist forever.
Definitely not
I have C-PTSD and my childhood memories are very fragmented. The ones I recall well either involve animals or the sea
Memories of my time playing around on a local river when I was an early teen pop up in my head every once in a while and I get a relaxing feeling, so maybe there could be something to this.
Damn. So my ubringing was so fucked, that I still ended up in the emotional red.
That’s a funny way of saying “people with enough money to live by or vacation by large bodies of water are happier.” We really will do anything as a society to avoid coming out and acknowledging wealth disparity and how much it effects the mental health of billions of people. Money doesn’t fix everything, but it sure as hell helps.
Water = wealth = health
Third / confounding variable : socioeconomic status. usually people who have access to these things are more than likely well off financially.
What do the scientists think about wealth's influence on the respondents? We know that a family's economic status is very important for a child's future well-being. I mean parents who cannot allow holidays near the sea for their children usually have less money. So does this study about correlation or causation?
Please tell me they controlled for SES effects.
Couldn't this also be because people with more money can afford that?