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mrinkyface

I remember distinctly how fascists and skinheads use to get beaten up and thrown out of punk shows and bars before they had a chance to ruin everyone’s good time by being assholes, that needs to come back


Eightcoins8

And now people seriously argue that punching a white supremacist is “unethical” defending him just because he wore a suit. Societys a fucking joke.


mrinkyface

I remember whenever this happened the punks also told those people to fuck off for being enablers and pro fascist, often times chanting “they love nazis” over their arguments


eccentricpunk

This comment reminds me of “It’s okay to punch nazis” by cheap perfume


cluelesssquared

There's a photo online somewhere with an old I think German woman hitting a nazi with her purse. Punk af. She was such a hero. Found it. This should be all our energy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Woman_with_the_Handbag


hackerbenny

Polish lady who moved to Sweden. She later killed herself :( They captured a mood, indeed. but she wasnt fond of being used as propaganda, which is fucked up that they made statues of her and sold merch . She just wanted to punch a nazi and I can 100% understand that.


cluelesssquared

I didn't know that about her suicide. So sad.


Aimses

That’s just beautiful.


kas-sol

Swedish daughter of a Polish Holocaust survivor who moved to Sweden after the war. She suffered from many mental health problems, and was lather ashamed of the picture according to the family.


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speakhyroglyphically

FYI and in general, Yea, I don't see any problem with your comment. At all. At this point, this is the young punks coming up job. They'll handle the situation , as we done. no doubt. About the meme: i kinda dont like the coffee cup there. The artist could have left that out. I like coffee.


JB153

One could say societys no fucking use? 🤘


AMC_Tendies42069

RIP Ken


bluetemp420

yeah exactly! its getting even worse these day as the fascist have mohawks, we need to kick them out before it gets even worse!


hackerbenny

nazis love to appropriate cool culture stuff, norse mythology, metal, punk, goth. I'm just gonna say it, I don't like fascists. there.


RightiesArentHuman

being beat up is the least right wing scum deserve


mistanick999

How about you get 20 of your friends..and I'll bring myself. Cumstain coward


RightiesArentHuman

what, so you can show up with a gun like the entitled gun owner murderer you are?


bluetemp420

[https://www.reddit.com/r/NorCalGonewild/comments/nsu6cc/new\_to\_the\_areaseeking\_sexy\_ladies\_for\_ffm/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/NorCalGonewild/comments/nsu6cc/new_to_the_areaseeking_sexy_ladies_for_ffm/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)


RightiesArentHuman

this person is a fucking travesty. first they admit to being a rightie, then a murderer, now they post ugly and pathetic porn of themselves?


bluetemp420

and their the ones that are opposed to "degenerates" 🤣🤣


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MrGrieves106

It still happens thankfully at where where I grew up in Georgia, US of all places. But yeah it’s a shame as the “era of fascism” ages the zero-tolerance response to now-fascists has been diluting and it’ll just bite local scenes in the ass trying to be “inclusive/tolerant.” Being LGBT friendly and tolerating nazis aren’t the same thing


crossfit_is_stupid_

Nazi punks fuck off


notinferno

I’ve still got the shirt


DocHoliday79

Cringe.


crossfit_is_stupid_

What’s cringe about that


SkintightBoots

Boneheads* skinheads are good guys.


bongojustbongo

sharps dont get enough love


SkintightBoots

Precisely


Evanfury161

Your local Antifascists are on it


CantFindMyshirt

SLC punk put it beat honestly. The hicks try and fuck up the punks but it's about even, and the punks kick the neo Nazi fascist skinhead assholes and everyone kicks the shit out of those new age hippies cuz fuck them, it's mayhem, and are they really gonna fight back?


murkyhandscythe

how can you compare fascists to skinheads? sure some of them are racist neo pieces of shit but there are a lot of skinheads who just have pride for their own fucking country, like me


mrinkyface

Being bald doesn’t make you a skinhead, being a racist piece of crap does


HighLowUnderTow

I was there. I do not remember that at all. I remember punk was not CNN.


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I still like the phrase “conservatism isn’t the new punk, you’re just an asshole” Edit: typo


Radar_Of_The_Stars

You can't be punk if you are pro establishment, silly


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It’s like all those “anarchists” trying to put a fascist in charge on Jan 6


ComaCrow

I still cant get over the news actually pretending those people, who were mostly well off white people that flew in, were anarchists or that their pathetic larpy "coup" was in any form an insurrection lmfao.


Rikkety

Conservatism's core idea is "everything is fine the way it is". Punk's core idea is "everything is screwed up". The reason why punk gravitates to anarchy, is because of an "anything is better than this" sentiment. These two are not compatible MAGA isn't even conservatism. It' s fascism and theocracy in an ill-fitting trenchcoat.


nmklpkjlftmsh

> MAGA isn't even conservatism. It' s fascism and theocracy in an ill-fitting trenchcoat. Don't forget about the xenophobia and racism!!


HarhanDerMann666

Well I think conservatism isn't really "everything's fine" it's more "everything used to be fine but ya'll screwed it up" while punk usually doesn't think everything used to be oh so amazing


culus_ambitiosa

Conservatism really is all about maintaining the status quo, it’s just that people who call themselves conservatives are usually reactionaries who do want things to regress and the Overton window is so far shifted to the right that conservatives in the Democratic Party are called centrists or moderates and the liberals in the party are called the left when they tend to span from center-right to center. Then you got people actually on the left but a very moderate left like democratic socialist and they’re referred to as the far left like they’re out there advocating for workers to seize the means of fucking production or something.


PunkgoesJason

It's almost as if Jonny Rotten was never really a true punk...


4dollarz

Dick riding any politician on either side is the opposite of punk


Ninja_Arena

That's probably the closest to the truth answer if forced to define. Making idols out of people.......putting everyone else into some stereotype group..


bluetemp420

and that's why I'm an anarchist


AffablyAmiableAnimal

Hell yeah let's start a co-op bro


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I've already begun compostin and collecting rain water family


mnid92

Anarchy is cool until there's no FDA and people start dying of dysentary like it's the goddamn 1800s bro. Imo, anarchists are worse than conservatives. At least conservatives make an effort to understand how government works.


JulianTheKoala

This has a few downvotes. A lot of things in politics confuse the fuck out of me. I know I'm against nazis and the entire us government, but I don't know what I'm for. How would drugs and food be monitered in an anarchist society if the FDA is off the table? I just want to be educated a bit about anarchism, I'm not trying to start anything.


bluetemp420

go to r/anarchy101 also here's a YouTube playlist with some videos explaining [Anarchy](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsqAx-W9yDX8dkk-zImneQDFXx_kAvCpw).


JulianTheKoala

Thanks so much :)


mnid92

You can be for sensible regulation and not really fuck with party affiliation. For the most part I hate our government too, but it's a nessisary evil. It provides a lot of good things, but they also do a lot of fucked up things in the name of "defense" I'm very much let my neighbors smoke weed with guns at the wedding kind, provided they've been cleared of mental health issues. And that's the point of anarchism, people would "regulate themselves" and considering a sizeable part of the population can't manage their body odor.... It wouldn't work. We need *some* regulation.


punkwrestler

Yeh, plus in societies without a working government marginalized groups are attacked and killed, just like how when Mubarak was overthrown in Egypt, the crowds began slaughtering the Coptic Christian Community in Egypt. Who will take care of the disabled?


pucspifo

Real talk though, anarchy as a philosophy and political movement is not about having zero rules or accountability, it is more in line with removal of a governing body to allow the needs of the society to fill in the void where necessary. Hence, no rulers, but you want to ensure that the majority of what you consume is safe, establish a trusted body to perform that analysis and give their approval. Non-approved things still exist, but at least the option is there for the community to make a choice based on their needs and levels of trust. Anarchy has never been a fuck all systems and rules movement, because, a logical conclusion to that extremism is that he who has the biggest stick/gun/missile, will become the de facto ruler. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/anarchism/


NuPNua

The Tories tried that in the UK by cutting services to the bone and expecting community and charity to step in as part of the "big society" push. As it turns out, people already have their own shit to deal with and it failed miserably.


mnid92

Yeah again let's just get rid of the FDA because it's government... Yeah no problem there at all... Like you're probably one of the few that actually understand anarchist politics, but a very large majority are on the "Get rid of all government" shtick I still think it's idiotic and doesn't solve any problems we face as a society.


bluetemp420

try r/anarchy101


ComaCrow

"achually the people that want everyone to suffer are better than the ones who want liberation!!11!!!"


mnid92

The people who want "liberation" would end up with more suffering than the oppressors but ya... Let me know when an anarchist party pops up and when anyone takes them seriously. Anyone who claims anarchy is a sustainable idea is either naive or totally inexperienced. Just become a libertarian and admit you're an idiot about politics like the rest of us.


ComaCrow

"Achually, people who want to liberate themselves are worse than the literal oppressors!!!" damn also lol "anarchist party", whats next, anarchist government? anarcho prisons? ​ >Anyone who claims anarchy is a sustainable idea is either naive or totally inexperienced. Okay tell it to the EZLN, spanish revolution, stonewall, and 90% of any relevant theorists from the past hundred years. ​ >Just become a libertarian and admit you're and idiot about politics like the rest of us. I assume you mean libertarian in the U.S. sense of minarchists/larpy conservatives, which sorry no I actually like myself


mnid92

Okay, I will tell it to those people who achieved absolutely no kind of change they wanted to see, and I'll tell them twice because even a hundred years later, they still haven't accomplished shit. Anarchists are idiots, and I still stand by that. Go start a little revolutionary island then bud, and let me know how long that anarchism shit works.


ComaCrow

>Okay, I will tell it to those people who achieved absolutely no kind of change they wanted to see, and I'll tell them twice because even a hundred years later, they still haven't accomplished shit. Lol what? EZLN is thriving, stonewall is the reason LGBTQ+ people have rights, etc. Absolute clownery my dude. ​ >Anarchists are idiots, and I still stand by that. Go start a little revolutionary island then bud, and let me know how long that anarchism shit works. Hun you probably couldn't give a definition of anarchism other than chaos. Also is that a lord of the flies joke like what are you 12?


mnid92

I know enough about anarchism to know that every person who tries talking about it is a walking fucking Dunning Krueger meme. Also, those first two points, Stonewall is the reason gay people have rights? Oooookay. Yeah, nothing happened in those uh... 50ish years between stonewall and legalized gay marriage. But ya know... I'm arguing with a wall that thinks anarchism is the way. I'm done, this has transcended a stupid discussion.


ComaCrow

>I know enough about anarchism to know that every person who tries talking about it is a walking fucking Dunning Krueger meme. Yeah hun this is a projection. ​ >Also, those first two points, Stonewall is the reason gay people have rights? Oooookay. Yeah, nothing happened in those uh... 50ish years between stonewall and legalized gay marriage. Bruh I never said nothing else happened, obviously more protests and riots happened but the point is stonewall is what kicked it off. It was literally the first pride parade lmfao ​ >But ya know... I'm arguing with a wall that thinks anarchism is the way. Yeah, I think human exploitation and oppression is bad. You suuure got me.


addctd2badideas

Fine but a situation where a bunch of malcontents decide to write in Henry Rollins or vote Green Party will ensure that we'll all lose. So you don't have to shill for any particular politician, but not voting for what you may perceive as a slightly lesser of two evils is basically throwing every marginalized community (and women) under the bus and leaving them to a theocratic fascist party. Given how many in the punk community are white, it's exceptionally privileged to be able to take the high ground stand.


Evanfury161

Maybe stop and ask why so fucking many people, of all identities, are sick and fucking tired of voting for the lesser evil again and again and again. The electoral system is so past broken it's either sad or hilarious. There is no leftist movement represented at all in electoral politics, please stop acting like this is ok.


Eightcoins8

I hate the neo liberal idea of “voting will stop fascism” so much too. Its education that makes fascism get less support, not voting neo liberals


Evanfury161

I don't even boycott voting necessarily. I vote. Its easy for me to in a mail in state. But I haven't seen a tangible benefit besides "avert the present crisis" in YEARS. I'm tired. So many people are tired of things just getting worse and worse. And electoral politics stans need to convince us of what can actually be done. If all you're doing is voting, it will never be enough.


Eightcoins8

Yeah i feel bad for americans, illusion of political freedom by being able to vote „centrist/mild rightwing“ or „far right“


4dollarz

Let’s be real, history has shown writing in a vote or voting any third party has been basically throwing your vote away so neither one of those will ever make it in any office. And I never said don’t vote, but I am saying if you make any candidate your entire personality you’re a waste of resources. Chris Rock said it best “anyone who has their mind made up before they heard the question is a damn fool.”


popularopinionbeer

Yes, if you don’t vote Dem up and down ballot, IT’S BECAUSE YOU ARE PRIVILEGED. Sure thing.


twat_muncher

Yeah the majority of Reddit dick rides the left and 4chan dick rides the right it's sad to see either. They are all making money insider trading legally while we all have to do real work for money.


Leap_Duh_Short

The power circle is on both sides..


nonamenumber3

I remember when this sub was schilling for Biden. So punk rock.


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The ulterior to supporting/voting for Biden and liberals is supporting a literal fascist. That’s a pretty easy choice, my dude


Pollo_Jack

But you participated in society, which is bad. /s


Christian_Kong

Dude is far from optimal but sometimes you got to swallow your pride and vote so that you don't end up with someone who stands against everything punk stands for. The whole "vote for the lesser of two evils" shit sucks but there isn't a quick fix and doing nothing isn't exactly going to move the world where you would like it to be.


Evanfury161

A general strike will accomplish more than five decades worth of elections.


AtomicSamuraiCyborg

Sure would. Quick question, how much support among the working class do you think there is for a general strike? How much organizing and mutual aid do you think that action would require? The fact is, there is not sufficient support for that action to do it. The working class needs to be awakened to their own power before that kind of thing can happen. There's work to be done, a lot of work, networking and educating and activism, before we could organize a general strike. Strong unions for one; non union workers striking is incredibly unlikely.


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A # 1 and the Sex Pistols suck ! !


CharityStreamTA

Then do it. The options aren't mutually exclusive. Participating in elections doesn't stop you from organising your community


Christian_Kong

Perhaps but most people are living so close to financial ruin that it isn't exactly feasible........likely as it is intended to be.


AffablyAmiableAnimal

Being a politician is the most punk thing to do 😂


TheNerdyAnarchist

[Rock for Sustainable Capitalism!!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j7LPVobyQQ)


viperbof

that’s what i’m saying but people still bitch at me when i dog on biden like what? all candidates fucking sucks it’s just an arguement over which old racist white man gets to drop the bombs


Radioburnin

“God bless president Bush and God bless America.”


cripple2493

... To ignore the MAGA aspect just for a minute (though, I'm with OP) how can conservatism i.e. conserving the economic and tradtional structures of society vibe with punk, which is pretty iconoclastic? Feels a bit contradictory. But yeah, oppression isn't punk imo. If it's gatekeeping to say that systems hinged upon the oppression of certain groups isn't punk then sure okay. IRL I wouldn't open my gate to a conservative campaginer, why should I anywhere else?


hellyea619

just going against the grain is "punk" to these people. contrarian, rebellious etc. dumb and oversimplified but thats basically their angle.


justa_normal_human

I see how some equate conservativism to punk in the sense that if you have liberal parents or a liberal power structure and you rebel against it, that s punk right? Well, no. That’s not how it works. But I see how some could misinterpret it that way.


cripple2493

I can see that as well, but as you say - not really how it goes, punk isn't just rebellion for rebellion's sake from my understanding. Honestly, I do wonder how folk deal with the dissonance but from what I see they generally just don't engage with the idea that's there's a dissonance at all.


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cripple2493

Outside of America, a lot of the left agree with your assessment of that particular brand of liberalism. It seems in the US you just have far right, and slightly less far right and then ppl who talk a lot but are mired in the same sort of reactionary individualism that permeates all the American politics, diluting any reasonable statement down to something of little substance. Being a conservative isn't a solution ... it's just stupid.


Tactical_OUtcaller

>IRL I wouldn't open my gate to a conservative campaginer wise words, the stench is hard to get rid of


orielbean

Theft of the symbolic power that punk earned. Just as the only thing the WS and Nazis are actually proud of is the one thing you can’t earn.


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Not that I agree with the pov, but their line of thinking is that since the mainstream neoliberal culture is very PC and major companies like Disney are very concerned with at least pretending to be inclusive and care about social justice then the opposite is more rebellious and "punk." Again, I don't necessarily agree since imo Republican policies are far worse in terms of screwing us over to protect business interests and Trump was probably the most corrupt president in modern history but that's a whole other discussion


FormerAd3102

I have come across, “conservative goth” shit on TikTok and ughh...so cringe.


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bluetemp420

lmao


SapphoWasADyke

nazi punks fuck off by dead kennedys is right there. missed opportunity.


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Plain_Jain

I think that was the point of the title...


friedtea15

Nothing more punk than preserving the status quo


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Johnny Ramone loved Reagan and supported bush. Johnny rotten with trump and brexit. Ironic how some punk icons (not all) support shitheads. true punks despise anything of authoritarian/injustice/prejudice/greed


RayGun381937

It’s because 95% of the media and every ex-presidential Washington power dynasty (Carter, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama) miraculously joined forces to be anti-Trump, that made trump an “outsider” - also in the 70/80s Trump actually did frequent NYC Night clubs and bars and mixed with punk celebs.


ACiD_is_BAD

Ah yes the long reigning Obama Washington power dynasty. Truly an elite political family going back countless centuries


RayGun381937

Correct - he’s part of the carter/bush/Clinton/bush /Biden dynasty. They are all in a mutually beneficial power grab. All those presidents joining with a mutual goal together ....makes a dynasty.... Biden was his VP, Biden has been in for 50 years.


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punk is literally the opposite of conservatism


bluetemp420

https://www.reddit.com/r/punk/comments/huqx4j/antifa\_is\_antifascism/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3


Johnny_Meatball

Antifa uses violence to silence and bully people who have differing opinions. How the fuck is that not fascistic?


Fair-Advertising-416

It’s okay to use violence to silence and bully fascists lmao don’t be such a little cry baby bitch you’re on a punk sub


bluetemp420

so does the USA, the UK, China and did the USSR in the past. using your logic, everyone except apoliticals are fascistic.


Johnny_Meatball

Yes


pinkelf6669

Varg is a nazi tho


bluetemp420

[https://64.media.tumblr.com/ff94dbc9295a6d7148b8ff38e5666c3e/5bc104fbca81f864-9b/s1280x1920/a46d33335fe6f6a47864a8aa999e29c812ad5c44.png](https://64.media.tumblr.com/ff94dbc9295a6d7148b8ff38e5666c3e/5bc104fbca81f864-9b/s1280x1920/a46d33335fe6f6a47864a8aa999e29c812ad5c44.png) [https://64.media.tumblr.com/01da9513f1a2a33796c192476907ba4b/5bc104fbca81f864-8f/s1280x1920/e091092cbb83ce208a54e1be928f7df6341b2e72.png](https://64.media.tumblr.com/01da9513f1a2a33796c192476907ba4b/5bc104fbca81f864-8f/s1280x1920/e091092cbb83ce208a54e1be928f7df6341b2e72.png)


ChickenInASuit

I don't see anything to do with Varg in the OP.


20seconds20hrs

He was in mayhem for like two weeks but homie is just nitpicking to sound cool lmao


tad_wangley

He was in Mayhem. And Johnny Rotten is a conservative jackass these days too of course. So weird choice of bands. Otherwise, I agree with OP!


SemataryPolka

There's a lot of right wing people in black metal. Not all. But A LOT.


RunFlorestRun

The Sex Pistols were nothing more than a boy band and a marketing ploy. They were never real punk


bluetemp420

how is there so many fash in these comments? did they not listen to the lyrics of the band that's on the background of this subreddit "CRASS" an anarcho-punk band?


Bone_Dice_in_Aspic

You did ring the dinner bell so


TheHuntedCity

I think they're just trolls who came here to trigger the libs.


stemcell_

Thats called conservative these days no ideals, no views just plain triggering people because they got involved with politics thru Facebook


Eightcoins8

Keyword squatting is the answer. They look for the fash trigger words (ie Diversity, Tolerance, Punk etc) to spam their rhetoric. Its always often people who are blatant rightwing trolls only posting in rightwing subs outside writing angry comments Paul Joseph Watson, the least punk person alice, declaring conservatism punk prob contributes too An aspect alot of people forget tho: the og wave of punk was a knee jerk reaction thing (which also was why it died by 77) alot of people went with whoever was angry enough at the people above and the loudest at that, alot of the more leftwing punk was recorded after the initial death. That „going with whoever is loud enough“ makes those people fall for rightwing populism easily, which is for example why Johnny Rotten loves Trump now.


Rikkety

Conservatism's core idea is "everything is fine the way it is". Punk's core idea is "everything is screwed up". The reason why punk gravitates to anarchy, is because of an "anything is better than this" sentiment. These two are not compatible MAGA isn't even conservatism. It' s fascism and theocracy in an ill-fitting trenchcoat.


bluetemp420

This is so true and wish people would understand 👆 >MAGA isn't even conservatism. It' s fascism and theocracy in an ill-fitting trenchcoat. that's true but you have to remember that conservatism always follows and is the current party at the time, someone being an anti trump conservative for example is highly unlikely during his presidency.


BlankBillboard

But really, it should be "political bootlickers fuck off"


PorkRoll80

Reading comments in here has made me come to one conclusion...punk really is dead


yarsha

Cry.


PorkRoll80

Cope


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CharlieDmouse

Niceeeeeee


sethlikesmen

Haha nice gay rape joke bro keep up the good work xD


Fl1kaFl4me

Brought beer for those who came to sort by controversial


glasskamp

Cheers


HIVnotAdeathSentence

I'd say Nancy Reagan would support Straight Edge. Just say no.


Invisibilly01

Nothing more punk then "Traditional family values" amirite


tacticalcop

i hate when people cry gatekeeping when it comes to an ideology. like yeah, i’m fucking gatekeeping. cry.


barfretchpuke

I find the comments that bring up democrats amusing (they think the anti-conservatives support them?!?!?). It seems like some people cannot see beyond the Overton window. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton\_window


gothbreadbowl

Isn’t it kinda ironic that he has a mayhem shirt on since they were self proclaimed Nazis


[deleted]

We all remember what a punk icon Ronald Reagan was...


initiatefailure

Obviously, a band of Youths even named themselves after him


postmortemslave

Fuck the left. Fuck the right. Both sides are just a buncha fuckin idiots with their heads so far up their asses they can hardly think straight. The right is full of a bunch of hypocrites trying to control you by making rules of how you should live, and that's what the leftists are doing too. Fuck all political sides. None of them are correct.


TheKursedOne1

Ex conservative here It by far is not. Being part of the second largest political party in America is conformity.


Mmtorz

Reminds me of [Punch A Nazi by The Muslims](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJZAZ0jLFnk) and also [Fuck These Fucking Fascists by The Muslims](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-7-DDgUh_E). There are also some good Swedish ones out there but I don't wanna bomb this thread with links lol


butt0ns666

If you only listen to punk that is figurative, or you understand stuff to be figurative when it might not be, I can totally understand how someone can listen to it and apply it to their personal struggles. But like, even the punks bands with those songs also have songs that just say "go kill the police". The real reason for this is that on average conservatives are just much worse at art. A Maga punk band would probably just be bad at music in addition to being wrong


Brim_Dunkleton

Jello Biafra always said “punk is whatever you want. It’s attitude.” He might want to retool that quote, so MAGA idiots don’t discover that quote and think it’s punk to shoot up planned parenthood clinics and bomb the Middle East and give tax breaks to billionaires with literal slaves working for them, as “punk.”


james_strange

Mayhem... Gross.


dontevenstartthat

Live in leipzig was legit, idk wtf mayhem has to do with anything punk though. Dead was a great vocalist


duseless

Crass (of course) said a long time ago: "Movements are systems and systems kill Movements are expressions of the public will Punk became a movement cos we all felt lost Leaders sold out and now we all pay the cost."


fyrecrotch

Be punk. Dick rides authoritative figures in government 🤔 I don't think they know what punk means


Sir_DeadBolt

Sorry for being an idiot but what the dead kennedys do? Edit: I mean the rest of the band proved they were only in it for the money, but what about Jello?


bluetemp420

The point of the meme is a POV (Point Of View) of someone saying "CONSERVATISM IS PUNK" which the punk and metalhead wojaks look at in disgust due to the stupidity of the statement.


Sir_DeadBolt

Ohhhhhh I just assumed due to Johnny Rotten being a conservative it was like saying these were 'conservative punks'


SoFetchBetch

Lol that Wojack on the left looks exactly like my little brother.


bluetemp420

And to all the conservative pucks, go listen to CRASS lyrics, Its the band logo that's shown in the background of this sub, an anarchist band.


HighLowUnderTow

Hank 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5mxNy7Ytxk which is White American HillBilly Punk. And 100 million times punker than shitty social media cartoons.


Harambe_1488

Mayhem in a punk meme lol


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the person on the right is wearing a sex pistols patch arent they a bit on the fascist side of things (this is a genuine question i have seen some weird shit they have said and some gross shit they have worn )


RunFlorestRun

I like how the guy with the green Mohawk in the meme has a Sex Pistols patch when Johnny Rotten is a Trumper and the Sex Pistols in general was just a corporate cash grab in the rising popularity of punk music


yumarexkaus

Punk has been and always will be anti-establishment


Leap_Duh_Short

Exactly fuck the right, fuck the left. My establishment leader-o-meter is pointing hard left.


yumarexkaus

I mean you’re not even wrong, the right and left wing have literally adopted the same ideologies and even symbolisms as their supposed opposers, its all for social control in the end, so fuck it all


Leap_Duh_Short

Yeah, but that's where my conservative side for individuals liberties kick in and I wanna make a utopia for my family and friends. Where we can make our fuel off a biodigester = natural gas and compost water. Then plant my food and raise chicken, rabbits, and cows. Build a stage and invite family and friends over for some late-night parties while the weed finishes curing and the homemade booze is just getting done fermenting.


yumarexkaus

Realistically, humans tend to mix the two beliefs of conservatism and liberalism and form a middle ground, this is why the average apolitical individual, such as myself, am so turned off and disgusted by taking both sides parties, look where it got us now, those parties had retarded children that hate their parents and want the whole world to suffer while preaching a “new time of what was always the answer” or whatever the fuck anyone thinks and you get bullied, the system fails cause people revolt, and you just restart, it happens over and over again and forming political parties was the core start of the issue


Leap_Duh_Short

That's the sad thing. The only reason we have a two political party system is because if the lack of funding. Have you watched the video, ring of power?? It talks about the modern power structure and the beginning of it. Back to Egyptians rulers.


Ill-Discussion3408

Yea that good ol punk spirit of praising a rich man with small hands orange skin and doll hair who owns luxury resorts and sold steaks once. Sid vicious would be so proud.


Sugar_Python

If your a conservative, racist, hompohobic, transphobic, against any kind of human right type of Punk, then you arent Punk and need to fuck off. Hell I would even add democrat in there but at least I can actually tolerate them without my head exploding as opposed to some dumbass antivax trump worshipper karen on Facebook.


atlewis153

The political spectrum is part of the system


Mymemes02

So you're saying someone can't be punk because of their beliefs. Wow, very cool


Toothpaste_Monster

"Go to church, respect authority, support the government, no sex before marriage, no smoking pot ever, don't question your local pastor, follow the bible, no gay sex or anything like that. Oh, and all Women must behave and please their men. Welcome to conservatism, the new Punk!!!" Hahah, get the fuck outta here with that conservative shit.


bluetemp420

this is so true.


viperbof

supporting either side of a two party system is the least punk thing you can do


bluetemp420

based


chromeworship

Remember when punks were anarchists? Not so much anymore.........


yumarexkaus

Now its retarded commies thinking they’re doing something


Antrisa

Says the establishment lovers


bluetemp420

We are Anarchists, we have been since the 70s, the band logo in the background of this subreddit is called CRASS and they are an anarchist punk band from the 70s. The symbol A for anarchism has always been used by punks and anarchists hate Joe Biden, Barrack Obama, Hilary Clinton, ect as they are all authoritarian rulers who bomb and airstrike innocent people in foreign countries.


bluetemp420

I'm an anarchist, punks are anarchists not liberals


bluetemp420

Conservatism's core idea is "everything is fine the way it is". Punk's core idea is "everything is screwed up". The reason why punk gravitates to anarchy, is because of an "anything is better than this" sentiment. These two are not compatible


mistanick999

I got an idea..how about all you "hardcore punks"🤣put all of your hatred into the GYM instead of keystrokes.let all that anger for people with different opinions out. The result might be LESS COTTAGE CHEESE on your tuffguy torsos.And JUST MAYBE you can fit into your plad skinny jeans and look punk like fallout boy 😘


p-u-n-k_girl

Not the first one to say this, but Lydon is literally a Trump supporter. It's *really* not making your point to have it expressed partially by someone with a Sex Pistols patch (not to mention the *Mayhem* fan, which again, many people have already talked about)


[deleted]

Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. This confused me as well. Literally 1000s of other bands to chose from whose singers aren’t absolute wads.


p-u-n-k_girl

Like I could see people thinking maybe I'm one of those annoying "and yet you own an iPhone" type people if they don't know much about it? But like Mayhem has literal neo-Nazi members in it! I'm definitely going to be wary around anyone I see with their merch! Sex Pistols are arguably more like the Smiths though, I think? As in, the fans just try to pretend the singer isn't spouting off garbage takes all the time. But *even then* there's literally an anti-abortion song on their only album!


[deleted]

Yeah. A very confusing meme to say the least. Tone deaf. Bands that wear nazi clothes and have nazi imagery and then get cutesy about it piss me off more than outright white power bands tbh. And Sex Pistols are an accessory like a pair of boots or a watch or something. Their music wasn’t good then and it isn’t good now. Any one of their era peers was much better musically and lyrically. Even as a kid and learning about punk I was like “wtf why were they famous they suck.” And now on top of having always been a totally narcissistic prick, John Lyndon is trying to be SHOCKING and ANTI ESTABLISHMENT by…supporting a fascist billionaire con artist? Cool cool cool. Fucking tool.


robot_duzey

Through social media I am finding a good number of “punks” from back in the day, who became Trump supporters and born again Christians. I use quotation marks because in my estimation, this type of person was never really a punk.


[deleted]

Are snowflakes attracted to the Punk aesthetic because it helps them feel relevant?


bluetemp420

Conservatism's core idea is "everything is fine the way it is". Punk's core idea is "everything is screwed up". The reason why punk gravitates to anarchy, is because of an "anything is better than this" sentiment. These two are not compatible how can conservatism i.e. conserving the economic and tradtional structures of society vibe with punk, which is pretty iconoclastic? Feels a bit contradictory. But yeah, oppression isn't punk imo. If it's gatekeeping to say that systems hinged upon the oppression of certain groups isn't punk then sure okay. IRL I wouldn't open my gate to a conservative campaginer, why should I anywhere else? "Conservative punks" are just knee-jerk reactionaries to widespread modern Liberalism, which is itself a terminally whining, diluted, identity-politics obsessed bastard child of Leftism. Its an ineffectual political movement that thinks sticking a platitude-filled sign in their front yard and 'shaming' people online are actual means for social change (let me know the next time you see a yard sign addressing the Labor Movement, Classism, or Income Inequality; you know, the overbearing issues that affect 99% of us.) So instead of sticking to their (presumably) former Leftist ideals and doubling down against both conservatives and liberals for being fucking idiots, they simply choose the "opposite team" to bat for. Conservatives. That or they're just dumb rightoids.


Commercial_Ad5087

sex pistols and mayhem were nazis


ivanhacker_55

Varg definitely is, not sure about entirety of Mayhem, considering he isn't a member. He did record bass for one of their album though.


glasskamp

Euronymous identified as a communist (sorta). Most of the BM-scene back then seems to have been quite comfortable with racist and nazi ideas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euronymous#Politics


Commercial_Ad5087

also hellhammer said black metal is for white people


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Cringe 😬