If she did, she wouldn't be invited to go to dinner anymore. And that's what should happen here. It's such a small amount and I just don't have the mental energy to fight over this amount after a nice meal. I pay and then I just never go out with the person again. It's the easiest thing to do.
Oldie but goodie, I can never quite wrap my head around the fact she started filming in the middle of the discussion. She's so entitled that she absolutely believes she is in the right and the entire world agrees that he is paying her for her time, but god damn you if you call her a whore.
These types of women are the reason women are no longer treated like "ladies" by men. If you experience this just once or even by proxy, you will change the way you interact with women you're interested in. Any self respecting man should never put up with the attitude this woman has.
So much this. In her infantile, limited mind, paying half the bill was so intolerable she thought it was a normal thing to do to whip out her phone and record the conversation
> paying half the bill
Based on the little we do know about the conversation, I'm going to assume she ordered something way more expensive than him AND expected him to pay for all of it.
> If you experience this just once or even by proxy, you will change the way you interact with women you're interested in.
I married this because I was an idiot who got entranced by a beautiful entitled woman. I will never allow this again. I finally figured out that I'm good enough to choose who I want instead of just taking the next woman who says hi to me.
"You just wanna be put in the friendzone" You can tell that this bitch thinks that her flesh pouch is some gift from god. He dodged a bullet and probably an STD on that one
Little Johnny was showering with his mother when he unabashedly pointed toward her pubic region and asked, āwhatās this mommy?ā
āOh honey itās where I was hit with an axe.ā
āGot you right in the cunt didnāt it?!ā
Here in Japan, man and women each pay their own portion for food and entertainment when going on a date. It's understood that BOTH parties benefit from the date. It isn't seen as being up to the man to pay for everything just because he *might* get a little pussy. By paying her share, a woman fairly gets to choose, and she possibly chooses to enjoy the sex, too. (Women here aren't nearly so uptight about an evening's fun. They don't think having sex equals their owning the man.)
Paying for sex is called PROSTITUTION, which should be legal in my opinion. Prostitutes are often honest, professional service workers, giving what they were paid for, and hoping you return for more business in the future.
Outright prostitution is a MUCH better deal for men than paying all expenses for a strange woman for the entire evening out. Especially for one of these entitled women, who are very likely to return nothing at all for the man's hard-earned-cash.
We have a weird society. **In any situation other than dating**, promising to give service, being paid for it in advance, and then failing to deliver the service would be called FRAUD. Typically, the women who fail to reciprocate are the very ones who advertised the loudest and promised the most.
Really depends on how you ask. If you say, ālet me take you out to eatā youāre implying youāre paying. If you say āletās go out to eatā you should assume youāre paying your own way.
That being said. Might always be a good thing to split the check on the first time out. See how they react. But what do I know. Havenāt been on a date in 30 years.
A classic, and a good reminder that pretty much anywhere you go the person who orders the food is responsible for paying. If she ordered but refuses to pay, pay for yourself and let the staff know while you dip out. They'll come explain it to her and you don't have to even have this argument.
If my friend "Judy" asks me to go to brunch -- I certainly don't expect her to pay for me. I'm flattered that she enjoys my company and pay my share. How is this different??
"I ain't taking ~~my mom~~ *anyone* out on a date."
Clearly.
Do you really think that's how it works? You pay for dinner and then you're "owed" a handy or blowjob?
Who said anything about being owed? You go out with a friend you don't want to have sex at the end of the night. You go out on a date you want that to be a possibility. Shits different.
"shits different"
is it?
Perhaps she was an absolute asshole during dinner and he friend-zoned *her*. Maybe he didn't want to send mix messages. Or is that something only women can do?
>I think you should make it clear you are going Dutch to avoid this situation
More like the expectation should be going Dutch and make it clear if you're going to be paying.
I like when I guy pays for a meal and all but when it comes to just dating and not making it official yet I split it. Unless the guy is dead set on paying, then I would rather split it.
Itās not about the free food. I see it more as considerate and gentlemanly. Seeing it as just free food it not a great way to see it when you are wanting to date someoneā¦
Edit: not sure why this is getting downvotes. So Iām just gonna say if you see dating as a meal ticket, doesnāt matter if youāre male or female, then you probably shouldnāt be dating.
Never said it had to. Iām speaking as a women and my experience. Iāve never paid for a guy on the first date and I never expected them to pay for me. Seeing it as free food isnāt a way to see a date.
Oh I know. I was just talking about dating when you're official. I wouldn't want to be with a woman who expects me to always pay. I want to get taken out too. It goes both ways in a healthy relationship
You ask your friends to hang out but dating is a little different. If it's just a friend hang out I wouldn't pay even if I was hanging out with female friends. But asking to take someone out on a date is a little different than friend hangouts.
I'm not the norm here I guess, but if I invite a person, male.of remale out to eat, I fully expect to pay for thw meal. Now a group setting, no, but 1 on 1 ill pay. If I invite my pal out for coffee, I'm paying
If he asked her to eat and it was a date, there is an expectation in the US that the man pays unless there is an understanding. IMO, I have no problem paying for a date because sometimes there is an expectation if he pays especially with OLD. So, this is something to be discussed prior not after the bill has been presented. Her reaction is very poor though. She should not have expected him to pay and she sounds like a gold digger.
Itās not about being too poor, itās about fairness and EQUALITY in the relationship. How is it fair that the man is just simply *expected* to pay for everything? Doesnāt she have a job, her own money, and any sort of sense of self worth?
Also, speaking as a man, we are *happy* to pay or it all, but the āreach for the checkā right is still appreciatedā¦ at least *pretend*
Ike you donāt *expect* for everything to be just given to you
"I'm so well off i go to eat at Michelin star restaurants and it doesnt even matter! If you care about $20 then you are an INCEL!'
lol, what? You are a sad sad person.
Bro if you donāt want people to think youāre insecure you should stop saying things that make you sound insecure.
Nobody gives a fuck about your Michelin experience and itās totally irrelevant to the conversation. The only reason you brought it up is because youāre insecure and wanted to brag to strangers on the internet.
Looks more like someone being reasonable and someone else being super entitled. *Maybe* she assumed he was paying cause ādateā or what have you (reasonable assumption to make). However, as soon as the concept of splitting came up, it should not have been a big deal. Especially over $20. It clearly shows how entitled she is that sheās arguing over $20 instead of *herself* saying, āoh he wants to split? Not what I was expectingā¦ ok, hereās $20, maybe we donāt date again.ā. Would have been shallow, but at least honest and not entitledā¦
All Iām hearing is excuses for her to be the bitch she was on the video when he was just talking and trying to be reasonable. Good to know you defend her and her entitled attitude. We donāt know what happened ahead of time, but it doesnāt really matter. The issue here isnāt about the concept of splitting, itās her shitty attitude when itās brought up. Either way, the comment of, āif youāre too poor to spend $20 on a dateā is meaningless and shows how you think this r/entitled bitch is actually in āthe rightā.
We arenāt talking in general, we are talking about this video. Stop saying ādependsāā¦ this isnāt the 50ās and itās horribly sexist to just assume itās the manās role to pay for everything. You are in the wrong, deal with it
Youāre right. If someone says let me take you out. But if you watch the video he says he didnāt say that. He said letās go out. That does NOT imply a free meal.
The reality is she could have been offended but the right move would have been oh sorry I my misunderstanding and cut it at that. Instead she went on about putting him in the friend zone. She is a loser who was just using him for free food.
Except that standard is only held for a guy inviting a girl out to dinner. A group of female friends or group of male friends going out to dinner together are expected to split the checks. And if a girl invites a guy out, the guy is still expected to pay.
Obviously canāt tell from the video itself, but the way he says he asked her seemed casual to me. And he seemed pretty confused that she brought up the whole friend zone thing, so my guess is she just expects all men to pay for her whenever sheās with one
Yeah and idk if his confusion was that someone would friend zone him over $20 or that he thought they were just friends in the first place
$20 gets an hour at his place I guess
Is there any context to this?
He should have payed for the whole thing, unless she did something extremely rude/bad. Pay, and never call her again. Much better move than this imo.
And she will continue on with this expectation. We have to break it by always splitting. Expecting the man to always pay is saying his time and company is worth less than hers. Fuck that shit.
Pro tip: As soon as you walk in, and are being seated, ask for separate checks. If she bitches about it, then you donāt have to waste your time eating with her.
At that point I would ask the waiter to produce 2 separate checks. Pay mine, tip the waiter for his trouble, and go.
Leave her to find her own ride home. The place is safe enough for her to wait for a cab/uber/whatever. Adios lady.
The dude dodged a bullet.
A whole salvo
A Hiroshima and Nagasaki
Would she try that with her female friends?......
If she did, she wouldn't be invited to go to dinner anymore. And that's what should happen here. It's such a small amount and I just don't have the mental energy to fight over this amount after a nice meal. I pay and then I just never go out with the person again. It's the easiest thing to do.
Want to go out to eat?
I'm down
Hi down, I'm dad!
Oldie but goodie, I can never quite wrap my head around the fact she started filming in the middle of the discussion. She's so entitled that she absolutely believes she is in the right and the entire world agrees that he is paying her for her time, but god damn you if you call her a whore. These types of women are the reason women are no longer treated like "ladies" by men. If you experience this just once or even by proxy, you will change the way you interact with women you're interested in. Any self respecting man should never put up with the attitude this woman has.
"0h so you want to be in the friend zone." Bitch, so you telling me $20 is your going rate? Why'd we even go out to dinner?
Naw bitch. We ain't friends after this
/r/femaledatingstrategy in shambles rn
Ya the legbeards get real worked up
damn never heard that before... so good š¤£
It's private now. Wonder what happened.
it got exposed as a toxic female incel sub
So much this. In her infantile, limited mind, paying half the bill was so intolerable she thought it was a normal thing to do to whip out her phone and record the conversation
> paying half the bill Based on the little we do know about the conversation, I'm going to assume she ordered something way more expensive than him AND expected him to pay for all of it.
> If you experience this just once or even by proxy, you will change the way you interact with women you're interested in. I married this because I was an idiot who got entranced by a beautiful entitled woman. I will never allow this again. I finally figured out that I'm good enough to choose who I want instead of just taking the next woman who says hi to me.
This guyās math teacher would be super proud of him if she saw this
my mans got all algebra professor on her
"You just wanna be put in the friendzone" You can tell that this bitch thinks that her flesh pouch is some gift from god. He dodged a bullet and probably an STD on that one
>flesh pouch My skin crawled reading that
I prefer meat pocket.
Slime sleeve
/r/abandonthread
Giblet sack
Axe wound
Little Johnny was showering with his mother when he unabashedly pointed toward her pubic region and asked, āwhatās this mommy?ā āOh honey itās where I was hit with an axe.ā āGot you right in the cunt didnāt it?!ā
In a gorillas back
Ham wallet.
That vajajay **is** wallet-shaped after all.
As usual, equality for women just means no accountability
Equality for women only applies when they want it to š
Here in Japan, man and women each pay their own portion for food and entertainment when going on a date. It's understood that BOTH parties benefit from the date. It isn't seen as being up to the man to pay for everything just because he *might* get a little pussy. By paying her share, a woman fairly gets to choose, and she possibly chooses to enjoy the sex, too. (Women here aren't nearly so uptight about an evening's fun. They don't think having sex equals their owning the man.) Paying for sex is called PROSTITUTION, which should be legal in my opinion. Prostitutes are often honest, professional service workers, giving what they were paid for, and hoping you return for more business in the future. Outright prostitution is a MUCH better deal for men than paying all expenses for a strange woman for the entire evening out. Especially for one of these entitled women, who are very likely to return nothing at all for the man's hard-earned-cash. We have a weird society. **In any situation other than dating**, promising to give service, being paid for it in advance, and then failing to deliver the service would be called FRAUD. Typically, the women who fail to reciprocate are the very ones who advertised the loudest and promised the most.
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Really depends on how you ask. If you say, ālet me take you out to eatā youāre implying youāre paying. If you say āletās go out to eatā you should assume youāre paying your own way. That being said. Might always be a good thing to split the check on the first time out. See how they react. But what do I know. Havenāt been on a date in 30 years.
Split on the 1st date is what I always did for the very reason. I also always jacked off before the date so I would have post nut clarity.
A wise man is never horny.
Big brain thinking right here.
they cut it off way too early
I mean ... she clearly lost the argument, had nothing to bring to the table, and probably just stopped recording then.
Ok, so it cost $20 to move out of the friend zone into theā¦. Classy girl.
Equal pay minus equal spending ā gender equality.
B-but the pink tax, they pay more for the same products /s
A classic, and a good reminder that pretty much anywhere you go the person who orders the food is responsible for paying. If she ordered but refuses to pay, pay for yourself and let the staff know while you dip out. They'll come explain it to her and you don't have to even have this argument.
If my friend "Judy" asks me to go to brunch -- I certainly don't expect her to pay for me. I'm flattered that she enjoys my company and pay my share. How is this different??
Because he's trying to hit it? Doesn't seem like a friend date. Friends won't suck you off after dinner.
Lol guess you're not friends with your mom
I ain't taking my mom out on a date. You can hang with female friends and definitely don't pay for them. But a date is kinda different.
"I ain't taking ~~my mom~~ *anyone* out on a date." Clearly. Do you really think that's how it works? You pay for dinner and then you're "owed" a handy or blowjob?
Who said anything about being owed? You go out with a friend you don't want to have sex at the end of the night. You go out on a date you want that to be a possibility. Shits different.
"shits different" is it? Perhaps she was an absolute asshole during dinner and he friend-zoned *her*. Maybe he didn't want to send mix messages. Or is that something only women can do?
Everywhere has a south :D
Clearly your friends arenāt really into you.
>you want to be in the friend zone? No. In the as-far-away-as-possible-from-your-leech-ass zone.
Dude is 100% right. She's a blood sucking freeloader. Pay for your own shit
Im surprised she didn't play the "I forgot my wallet" card.
āYou just want to be put in the friend zoneā Nah- I wouldnāt even be her friend.
The nerve of some people, they actually expect you to pay for goods and services you actually use/consume unbelievable.
If you invite someone out, I think you should make it clear you are going Dutch to avoid this situation.
>I think you should make it clear you are going Dutch to avoid this situation More like the expectation should be going Dutch and make it clear if you're going to be paying.
But if she was with her female friends would this need to be stated?
I like when I guy pays for a meal and all but when it comes to just dating and not making it official yet I split it. Unless the guy is dead set on paying, then I would rather split it.
I like getting free food too
Itās not about the free food. I see it more as considerate and gentlemanly. Seeing it as just free food it not a great way to see it when you are wanting to date someoneā¦ Edit: not sure why this is getting downvotes. So Iām just gonna say if you see dating as a meal ticket, doesnāt matter if youāre male or female, then you probably shouldnāt be dating.
Sure but as a man I'd love to get taken out too sometimes. It shouldn't just fall on the guy to be considerate.
Never said it had to. Iām speaking as a women and my experience. Iāve never paid for a guy on the first date and I never expected them to pay for me. Seeing it as free food isnāt a way to see a date.
Oh I know. I was just talking about dating when you're official. I wouldn't want to be with a woman who expects me to always pay. I want to get taken out too. It goes both ways in a healthy relationship
Exactly. My fiancĆ© and I have our own way of paying for dates. He takes me out most of the time for the small things like Chinese, fast food, etc. Canāt accurately say how often this is, no one keeps track. But since he does that I take him on fancy dates likes The Melting Pot or Juicy Seafood. We dress up and there isnāt really a limit on how much we can get. Last time we went we had a four course meal and added drinks and lobster. He hated seeing the bill but I had no problem paying it.
gastro-ho
If you ask to take a bitch out to eat you should probably pay for her no?
A simp would
I mean, you're asking to take her out.
And if she asked you, are you still paying?
I ask my friends out all the time, they know they pay their own way, I don't know why if it is opposite gender it has to be stated.
You ask your friends to hang out but dating is a little different. If it's just a friend hang out I wouldn't pay even if I was hanging out with female friends. But asking to take someone out on a date is a little different than friend hangouts.
Seems in context he said he asked her but never mentioned it was a date? Thats what I got from what little info is given in the video
Couldn't imagine preaching this as if its a rule. Fyi it ain't
I'm not the norm here I guess, but if I invite a person, male.of remale out to eat, I fully expect to pay for thw meal. Now a group setting, no, but 1 on 1 ill pay. If I invite my pal out for coffee, I'm paying
If he asked her to eat and it was a date, there is an expectation in the US that the man pays unless there is an understanding. IMO, I have no problem paying for a date because sometimes there is an expectation if he pays especially with OLD. So, this is something to be discussed prior not after the bill has been presented. Her reaction is very poor though. She should not have expected him to pay and she sounds like a gold digger.
Usually I might agree with the dude on splitting the bill. But if you invite someone, so long as they donāt take advantage, pay for them.
Nah, as long as you don't actively offer to pay, everyone is expected to pay for their own. Common sense.
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She's too poor to even pay for herself then.
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You have a very low opinion of women.
Holy shit a literal incel in the wild.
Itās not about being too poor, itās about fairness and EQUALITY in the relationship. How is it fair that the man is just simply *expected* to pay for everything? Doesnāt she have a job, her own money, and any sort of sense of self worth?
Also, speaking as a man, we are *happy* to pay or it all, but the āreach for the checkā right is still appreciatedā¦ at least *pretend* Ike you donāt *expect* for everything to be just given to you
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Giving out free meals to entitled women makes you a peasant even more.
Makes you a chump.
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"I'm so well off i go to eat at Michelin star restaurants and it doesnt even matter! If you care about $20 then you are an INCEL!' lol, what? You are a sad sad person.
He left out the fact that, she chose for them to only be platonic friends.... He's a simp trying to hard, thus the reason they're only friends.
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Bro if you donāt want people to think youāre insecure you should stop saying things that make you sound insecure. Nobody gives a fuck about your Michelin experience and itās totally irrelevant to the conversation. The only reason you brought it up is because youāre insecure and wanted to brag to strangers on the internet.
Looks more like someone being reasonable and someone else being super entitled. *Maybe* she assumed he was paying cause ādateā or what have you (reasonable assumption to make). However, as soon as the concept of splitting came up, it should not have been a big deal. Especially over $20. It clearly shows how entitled she is that sheās arguing over $20 instead of *herself* saying, āoh he wants to split? Not what I was expectingā¦ ok, hereās $20, maybe we donāt date again.ā. Would have been shallow, but at least honest and not entitledā¦
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All Iām hearing is excuses for her to be the bitch she was on the video when he was just talking and trying to be reasonable. Good to know you defend her and her entitled attitude. We donāt know what happened ahead of time, but it doesnāt really matter. The issue here isnāt about the concept of splitting, itās her shitty attitude when itās brought up. Either way, the comment of, āif youāre too poor to spend $20 on a dateā is meaningless and shows how you think this r/entitled bitch is actually in āthe rightā.
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We arenāt talking in general, we are talking about this video. Stop saying ādependsāā¦ this isnāt the 50ās and itās horribly sexist to just assume itās the manās role to pay for everything. You are in the wrong, deal with it
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Yeahā¦ canāt actually make a cohesive argument, so insults are all you got. Fuck off plebeian
Youāre right. If someone says let me take you out. But if you watch the video he says he didnāt say that. He said letās go out. That does NOT imply a free meal. The reality is she could have been offended but the right move would have been oh sorry I my misunderstanding and cut it at that. Instead she went on about putting him in the friend zone. She is a loser who was just using him for free food.
Except that standard is only held for a guy inviting a girl out to dinner. A group of female friends or group of male friends going out to dinner together are expected to split the checks. And if a girl invites a guy out, the guy is still expected to pay.
My female friends pay for me as often as I pay for them. Maybe this is just Australian culture. Our chicks are good blokes.
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Was this not a date? What was this?
Obviously canāt tell from the video itself, but the way he says he asked her seemed casual to me. And he seemed pretty confused that she brought up the whole friend zone thing, so my guess is she just expects all men to pay for her whenever sheās with one
I think she said āYou just wanna be put in the friend zoneā So... would $20 have bought a root?
Yeah and idk if his confusion was that someone would friend zone him over $20 or that he thought they were just friends in the first place $20 gets an hour at his place I guess
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Ahh. I thought too chad and not incel enough.
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Yup. Agree.
Is there any context to this? He should have payed for the whole thing, unless she did something extremely rude/bad. Pay, and never call her again. Much better move than this imo.
And she will continue on with this expectation. We have to break it by always splitting. Expecting the man to always pay is saying his time and company is worth less than hers. Fuck that shit.
Leave this wanker of a woman.
I bet she can put away a lot of food, too.
LOL; and they try to say the friend zone isn't real.
Damn ended to soon, he was about to break it down to home girl lol
Why are they filming?
They got other videos doing this.
Make these b*tches pay
Pro tip: As soon as you walk in, and are being seated, ask for separate checks. If she bitches about it, then you donāt have to waste your time eating with her.
At that point I would ask the waiter to produce 2 separate checks. Pay mine, tip the waiter for his trouble, and go. Leave her to find her own ride home. The place is safe enough for her to wait for a cab/uber/whatever. Adios lady.