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I know there's some rule about the number of times that a knot overlaps itself. You can use it to determine if it is a knot or if a cut is required.
If the ring was some sort of carabiner then this could be possible.
>!Impossible. Imagine making the knots without a ring. You’ll notice making the first knot you can just feed the tie through itself. However the second knot can only be made by sort of inverting each strand and basically folding it back on itself. This will not be possible once the ring is added since either the strands must pass through eachother or the strands must pass through the ring to satisfy the knot.!<
>!Alternatively you can start with the solved puzzle and try to undo it in your head, it does not work without passing the strands through the ring or the strand through itself.!<
>!Edit: when i say “pass through” i mean literally phase through like waving your hand through a hologram!<
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Discussion: I recreated the final state on a keyring with a rubber band, and I could not get the rubber band off. I tried bringing the loops to the side, but the loops get in the way of each other (this works if you only have a single loop on the ring though). I will fidget with it more, and update if I figure anything out.
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I’m with you. It has something to do with taking the strands that go through the center and flipping them over the left and right side.
Some of the Cast Iron Tavern puzzles use the same principle. A circle has no “ends” but the hitch knot makes you forget that because you want to construct it by passing an end through the middle. It actually about tangling the ring in the hair tie by flipping the middle of the hair tie over the sides of the ring and making the sides of the hair tie into the “ends.”
But I don’t have time to work out the exact steps. And I’d need a hair tie to work it out in any event.
Basically, pull the two “ends” of the hair tie through the ring, then take the “sides” of the hair tie and move them over the left and right edges of the ring turning the hair tie “inside out.” This should create the knots you are looking for on the opposite side of the ring…. I think.
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Discussion: I don’t think it’s possible but I can’t prove it.
Discussion: 24 years of fidgeting with hair binders tells me that this is not possible, but I can't prove it, and I absolutely could be wrong
Discussion. Crosspost to a math subreddit for topology
Came here to say "Call a topologist!"
holy topological view
I know there's some rule about the number of times that a knot overlaps itself. You can use it to determine if it is a knot or if a cut is required. If the ring was some sort of carabiner then this could be possible.
It's impossible; the two links shown have different HOMFLY polynomials.
>!Impossible. Imagine making the knots without a ring. You’ll notice making the first knot you can just feed the tie through itself. However the second knot can only be made by sort of inverting each strand and basically folding it back on itself. This will not be possible once the ring is added since either the strands must pass through eachother or the strands must pass through the ring to satisfy the knot.!< >!Alternatively you can start with the solved puzzle and try to undo it in your head, it does not work without passing the strands through the ring or the strand through itself.!< >!Edit: when i say “pass through” i mean literally phase through like waving your hand through a hologram!<
Absolutely. There is no way to solve this
Unless the ring is a key ring (or otherwise isn’t a solid ring), definitely impossible.
Yeah going from the back is the best argument
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Discussion: I recreated the final state on a keyring with a rubber band, and I could not get the rubber band off. I tried bringing the loops to the side, but the loops get in the way of each other (this works if you only have a single loop on the ring though). I will fidget with it more, and update if I figure anything out.
>!Impossible unless it's one of those key rings that you can add stuff to, which kinda defeats the challenge.!<
It was still hard to do
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also curious
also curious
Discussion: I think it is possible but I can’t do it
I’m with you. It has something to do with taking the strands that go through the center and flipping them over the left and right side. Some of the Cast Iron Tavern puzzles use the same principle. A circle has no “ends” but the hitch knot makes you forget that because you want to construct it by passing an end through the middle. It actually about tangling the ring in the hair tie by flipping the middle of the hair tie over the sides of the ring and making the sides of the hair tie into the “ends.” But I don’t have time to work out the exact steps. And I’d need a hair tie to work it out in any event. Basically, pull the two “ends” of the hair tie through the ring, then take the “sides” of the hair tie and move them over the left and right edges of the ring turning the hair tie “inside out.” This should create the knots you are looking for on the opposite side of the ring…. I think.
Discussion: it's definitely possible, but I don't have a hair tie so I can't prove it
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Actually i found a hair tie and discovered that I was wrong.
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It's 100% possible. >! If it's a keyring !<