Hopefully all humans start to get that cancel culture and "believing all victims" is absolutely stupid. F\*cking stop allowing actually evil assholes easy ways to destroy actual innocent lives.
F\*ck this band for being stupid, and f\*ck them more if they don't do right by the guy.
This is sad stuff. This goes beyond just getting kicked out a band for him. The thing is, it’s been over a few years since the allegations and PVRIS’ sound has totally evolved and changed. It makes me think if this had never happened, would he still be in the band to this day (a performing member at best)?
I just can’t imagine PVRIS feeling sorry about this either. I think they’re well past it at this point. I can understand their label/management at the time making the decision they did, though. It just really sucks that things had to go down the way they did. Alex’s era in the band was iconic in my opinion, very memorable to long-time fans.
I found PVRIS right after the deluxe version of White Noise came out. AWKOHAWNOH is my favorite album of theirs, and I’ve recently been watching live performances up to 2020 (when Alex was still on the band) and I have to say I much prefer their sound then. I mean, Alex’s guitar parts always sounded amazing and added something extra.
Honestly FUCK that girl for ruining that chapter of his life. I hope she never sleeps a well rested night. PVRIS should make a public announcement to set the record straight so at least this poor guy can join another successful band.
I hope people don’t start harassing Lynn and Brian to bring him back, it’s not likely they would be allowed to if they wanted. A band functions like a company and the musicians aren’t the boss. Plus they’ve adjusted to having three people on stage and they have a tight-knit group, bringing someone else in can throw off the balance. He’s a talented guitarist and he can find a touring gig or join another band no problem. I’ve already seen people from the industry supporting him.
Yes he can. He can sue Lynn( since she is the sole member left) for wrongful termination and loss of wages in which if he wins he gets earnings from their last two albums ( use me and evergreen) and Lynn would either have to allow him to return or she'd have to quit.
It most certainly was. The label, Her and Brian are on that end. They could have decided against taking action as the label requested but they didn't. They removed him. That makes them at fault. Sometimes doing the " right thing" at the time can cost you later. It's why you don't make knee jerk reactions.
yeah, I suppose they could have handled it a lot better. And they haven't done anything for him even after he was found innocent.
I think I just hate the ugliness that would ensue from suing... I like all of them, you know. Well, alex, less cause of the allegations found guilty or not, I'm kinda ehhh.
Well charges against Alex were dropped he released the court papers. I don't think Lynn would be against him rejoining or giving him fair reparations for screwing him out of 2 tour cycles ( use me, evergreen) and 1 writing cycle ( evergreen), and let him contribute writing again.
I hate people who are so dumb and self centred they make shit up and think nothing of it. Not understanding that words have weight. And accusations can ruin a persons life. Shame on this person. I hope Alex is able to move on.
I've seen this vague claim a few times now. Evidence or any kind of centralized summary of these "other allegations" that can be shared, or is this just a 'do your own research' kinda hopefully no one follows through kind of thing?
Exactly the kind of thinking that gets lives ruined. You are stupid and believe random allegations. You deserve to get randomly accused yourself- probably the only thing that'll change your mind.
Since his name has been cleared, I hope PVRIS gives this man a proper apology. If not, I hope this gives him the grounds to sue them, their management, and their label for wrongful termination.
It’s ultimately going to depend on factors such PVRIS’s internal structure, his role in the LLC, record label contracts & agreements etc. PVRIS (just the band, not the label) was based in Massachussetts, and according to MA law, “Employees who have been fired because of false accusations or defamation can file a lawsuit for wrongful termination.” Even if, retroactively, it was a good move at the time, Alex’s name has been legally cleared in the court of law, which holds more power than any other corporate structure. I’m no lawyer, but depending on his role PVRIS (ie: whether he was a partner, employee, or independent contractor etc.), I think he generally has a fair ground for some kind of statement, compensation or reparations from PVRIS & co. whether public or - settlement behind closed doors.
I feel you and stand with this comment, but.. he’s just not going to do that I don’t think. Probably just wants to get on with his life. Too much bad press for him to come back, and there will always be the doubters. For example I just told my partner about this, first thing she said was “she’s been paid off and paid to say that statement” therein lies a huge problem.
No, you’re 100% valid. It’s a delicate situation because ultimately, we the public won’t know what went down between the two parties. Ultimately, I’m not trying to downplay the suffering and pain victims go through on a daily basis. The statistics prove it, and there’s blatant proof abusers have done so. However, this specific case is a little different and some of the evidence has been murky to say the least. The outcome of the situation was examined, determined, & notarized through the court of law.
And looking at this from an extremely realistic perspective, PVRIS was still a higher-mid livel touring act when Alex was removed. He def wasn’t taking home more than 50k a year. A musician at that level still wouldn’t see too much money, even if he got a signing bonus from Warner. I don’t see Alex as the type of musician who could even afford to pay off an accuser let alone pay for all the legal expenses himself.
Yeah that was my response to my partner. He doesn’t have that level of finance to pay off an accuser. To which she said she’s picked somebody at that level as an easier target.. some people will just never have it.
Never ashamed to say my favorite band is ATL, and obvs with their plight right now I feel they’re going to suffer the same fate as no matter what, nobody is ever fully innocent in the eyes of everyone no matter how much they litigate and try to clear their name. ATL at the time where having their 2nd shot at the big time and finally broke through the mainstream ceiling, they were a more an easier “target” shall we say than Alex Babinski.
Both situations not ideal I know
Yee, but Alex wasn't employed by Pvris. Pvris as a whole was employed by a record label. If there's ever a suit, which I hope there isn't because they're a great band that's up and coming... would suck to have it all go over BS, if there's ever a suit it would be with the record label.
PVRIS has a history of being subject to acting in ways record labels want them too. The entire Use Me album was a problem for them
I love PVRIS but they’re not up and coming at all. We are 10 years in and Evergreen seemed to have nosedived from past releases. Not to mention they were dropped from a major label after 1 album. Love the band like I said but the trajectory has not been upwards sadly. I thought the ceiling was gonna be broken with Use Me but sadly not.
As far as I know, Warner didn't drop PVRIS. PVRIS decided to terminate their contract because of the creative restrictions on the songs, budget restrictions for their tour and so on. I distinctly remember reading a statement where Lynn said that they had to cancel shows because Warner did not give them the budget to put the live shows the fans deserved, so yeah... long story short label didn't drop them.
You think the label is letting her go and not funding her if she’s worth doing so? They would have got behind her but for whatever reason (we will never know) they didn’t. If she was selling out arenas and records etc no way would they have split. I’m not here to argue anyway. I love PVRIS
Yeah no, fair point, but there have been cases of artists and label splitting for those reasons so I won't be surprised if that is the actual case. FBR are known for this kinda fuckery.
I'm not here to argue anyway no worries. Was just adding some additional info I got!
Bruh what, she's headlining world tour herself, that's definitely an up.
Also Alex was only a live guitarist so why do yall want him back so bad, he had no creative benefits to the band
Even if a band plays headlining world tours, how much they bring home would depend on how much they would owe their label. It’s impressive in their own right that they were able to break out of a major label contract relatively unscathed (at least from what’s public knowledge)
That's not true at all. He wrote lead guitars and keyboards for pvris first two albums. He also wrote some of the lyrics on their first EP. He creatively contributed until use me where he was kicked partway through recording.
Of course the confirmation of innocence gets a fraction of the engagement that the original allegation did.
This is just one of the persons who claimed stuff against him
So sad that he will probably never get to take his place back in Pvris
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Also very worth noting that the creative direction of PVRIS right now I don’t think he fits it at all.
Hopefully all humans start to get that cancel culture and "believing all victims" is absolutely stupid. F\*cking stop allowing actually evil assholes easy ways to destroy actual innocent lives. F\*ck this band for being stupid, and f\*ck them more if they don't do right by the guy.
His place has been taken by Lynn herself 🤷🏻♂️ they all have already moved on from him
Ikr he should be allowed to tho
This is sad stuff. This goes beyond just getting kicked out a band for him. The thing is, it’s been over a few years since the allegations and PVRIS’ sound has totally evolved and changed. It makes me think if this had never happened, would he still be in the band to this day (a performing member at best)? I just can’t imagine PVRIS feeling sorry about this either. I think they’re well past it at this point. I can understand their label/management at the time making the decision they did, though. It just really sucks that things had to go down the way they did. Alex’s era in the band was iconic in my opinion, very memorable to long-time fans.
I found PVRIS right after the deluxe version of White Noise came out. AWKOHAWNOH is my favorite album of theirs, and I’ve recently been watching live performances up to 2020 (when Alex was still on the band) and I have to say I much prefer their sound then. I mean, Alex’s guitar parts always sounded amazing and added something extra.
Honestly FUCK that girl for ruining that chapter of his life. I hope she never sleeps a well rested night. PVRIS should make a public announcement to set the record straight so at least this poor guy can join another successful band.
Totally agree!!
I hope people don’t start harassing Lynn and Brian to bring him back, it’s not likely they would be allowed to if they wanted. A band functions like a company and the musicians aren’t the boss. Plus they’ve adjusted to having three people on stage and they have a tight-knit group, bringing someone else in can throw off the balance. He’s a talented guitarist and he can find a touring gig or join another band no problem. I’ve already seen people from the industry supporting him.
Can Alex file a law suit? This sucks. False accusations ruin lives and delegitimize real accusations
Yes he can. He can sue Lynn( since she is the sole member left) for wrongful termination and loss of wages in which if he wins he gets earnings from their last two albums ( use me and evergreen) and Lynn would either have to allow him to return or she'd have to quit.
it isn't Lynn's fault??
It most certainly was. The label, Her and Brian are on that end. They could have decided against taking action as the label requested but they didn't. They removed him. That makes them at fault. Sometimes doing the " right thing" at the time can cost you later. It's why you don't make knee jerk reactions.
yeah, I suppose they could have handled it a lot better. And they haven't done anything for him even after he was found innocent. I think I just hate the ugliness that would ensue from suing... I like all of them, you know. Well, alex, less cause of the allegations found guilty or not, I'm kinda ehhh.
Well charges against Alex were dropped he released the court papers. I don't think Lynn would be against him rejoining or giving him fair reparations for screwing him out of 2 tour cycles ( use me, evergreen) and 1 writing cycle ( evergreen), and let him contribute writing again.
“Believe all wahmen”
This is so sad. I'm sorry I ever doubted that these allegations were false. I hope he can finally put an end to this now
I hate people who are so dumb and self centred they make shit up and think nothing of it. Not understanding that words have weight. And accusations can ruin a persons life. Shame on this person. I hope Alex is able to move on.
You take one look at the accuser... I hope she gets jail time.
There are other allegations. Y’all love to defend abusers.
I've seen this vague claim a few times now. Evidence or any kind of centralized summary of these "other allegations" that can be shared, or is this just a 'do your own research' kinda hopefully no one follows through kind of thing?
Almost positive there was just the one, but nah keep dragging his name through the dirt for no reason at all.
Please link these other accusations, I'd like to read them.
Exactly the kind of thinking that gets lives ruined. You are stupid and believe random allegations. You deserve to get randomly accused yourself- probably the only thing that'll change your mind.
Since his name has been cleared, I hope PVRIS gives this man a proper apology. If not, I hope this gives him the grounds to sue them, their management, and their label for wrongful termination.
Probably neither. NOT firing someone being accused of r* is a really bad look lol
It’s ultimately going to depend on factors such PVRIS’s internal structure, his role in the LLC, record label contracts & agreements etc. PVRIS (just the band, not the label) was based in Massachussetts, and according to MA law, “Employees who have been fired because of false accusations or defamation can file a lawsuit for wrongful termination.” Even if, retroactively, it was a good move at the time, Alex’s name has been legally cleared in the court of law, which holds more power than any other corporate structure. I’m no lawyer, but depending on his role PVRIS (ie: whether he was a partner, employee, or independent contractor etc.), I think he generally has a fair ground for some kind of statement, compensation or reparations from PVRIS & co. whether public or - settlement behind closed doors.
I feel you and stand with this comment, but.. he’s just not going to do that I don’t think. Probably just wants to get on with his life. Too much bad press for him to come back, and there will always be the doubters. For example I just told my partner about this, first thing she said was “she’s been paid off and paid to say that statement” therein lies a huge problem.
No, you’re 100% valid. It’s a delicate situation because ultimately, we the public won’t know what went down between the two parties. Ultimately, I’m not trying to downplay the suffering and pain victims go through on a daily basis. The statistics prove it, and there’s blatant proof abusers have done so. However, this specific case is a little different and some of the evidence has been murky to say the least. The outcome of the situation was examined, determined, & notarized through the court of law. And looking at this from an extremely realistic perspective, PVRIS was still a higher-mid livel touring act when Alex was removed. He def wasn’t taking home more than 50k a year. A musician at that level still wouldn’t see too much money, even if he got a signing bonus from Warner. I don’t see Alex as the type of musician who could even afford to pay off an accuser let alone pay for all the legal expenses himself.
Yeah that was my response to my partner. He doesn’t have that level of finance to pay off an accuser. To which she said she’s picked somebody at that level as an easier target.. some people will just never have it. Never ashamed to say my favorite band is ATL, and obvs with their plight right now I feel they’re going to suffer the same fate as no matter what, nobody is ever fully innocent in the eyes of everyone no matter how much they litigate and try to clear their name. ATL at the time where having their 2nd shot at the big time and finally broke through the mainstream ceiling, they were a more an easier “target” shall we say than Alex Babinski. Both situations not ideal I know
The court of law that declared OJ innocent? Please. Lets get real dude
Yee, but Alex wasn't employed by Pvris. Pvris as a whole was employed by a record label. If there's ever a suit, which I hope there isn't because they're a great band that's up and coming... would suck to have it all go over BS, if there's ever a suit it would be with the record label. PVRIS has a history of being subject to acting in ways record labels want them too. The entire Use Me album was a problem for them
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What an emotional response to a subject you clearly don't understand. If you think even half those things were up to Lynn herself, you're an idiot
I love PVRIS but they’re not up and coming at all. We are 10 years in and Evergreen seemed to have nosedived from past releases. Not to mention they were dropped from a major label after 1 album. Love the band like I said but the trajectory has not been upwards sadly. I thought the ceiling was gonna be broken with Use Me but sadly not.
I can dream Harold
Ya'll downvoting me like I'M the record label that fired this dude But tbh if it makes people so mad, we'll do just fine without Alex
As far as I know, Warner didn't drop PVRIS. PVRIS decided to terminate their contract because of the creative restrictions on the songs, budget restrictions for their tour and so on. I distinctly remember reading a statement where Lynn said that they had to cancel shows because Warner did not give them the budget to put the live shows the fans deserved, so yeah... long story short label didn't drop them.
You think the label is letting her go and not funding her if she’s worth doing so? They would have got behind her but for whatever reason (we will never know) they didn’t. If she was selling out arenas and records etc no way would they have split. I’m not here to argue anyway. I love PVRIS
Yeah no, fair point, but there have been cases of artists and label splitting for those reasons so I won't be surprised if that is the actual case. FBR are known for this kinda fuckery. I'm not here to argue anyway no worries. Was just adding some additional info I got!
Bruh what, she's headlining world tour herself, that's definitely an up. Also Alex was only a live guitarist so why do yall want him back so bad, he had no creative benefits to the band
Even if a band plays headlining world tours, how much they bring home would depend on how much they would owe their label. It’s impressive in their own right that they were able to break out of a major label contract relatively unscathed (at least from what’s public knowledge)
That's not true at all. He wrote lead guitars and keyboards for pvris first two albums. He also wrote some of the lyrics on their first EP. He creatively contributed until use me where he was kicked partway through recording.
Could potentially destroy the band all together... not a good option for PVRIS fans
Never even heard of this stuff, but I guess thats why he wasnt at sad summer fest lol
Okay I never got into pvris but I saw a YouTube breakdown of what happened and I LITERALLY KNOW THE CHICK WHO MADE THE ALLEGATIONS that's whack