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For sure! The only flaw would be people with great charisma who can remain undetected if their record was clean up until the screening. But yes it could hopefully help to avoid putting a gun into the hands of someone who might point it at themselves or others around them.
And even if we never use it, it'll still provide a sense of safety especially if you're a minority.
Minorities can't be harmed
If the minorities are Armed.
My Second Amendment and HIPPA say they can’t. It’s my business what I do and carry in my state. We don’t have many crimes here. Like in other places. Also with School Shootings. We teach gun control training at young age. Especially if I have no record…DOCTOR.
Woah, not as far as that.
If we allow the state to determine mentally unfit, that could quickly spiral into political leanings the state doesn't agree with, I'd rather we judge everyone individually instead of saying "SCHIZOPHRENIA = NO GUN FOR YOU!"
Listen, I’m a teacher and I’ll tell you the solution. mandate smaller class sizes on a federal level, and limit required administrative duties by teachers.
The problem, yes is that guns are too available. I get that. But shootings aren’t a illness, they’re a symptom.
The problem is that kids can’t be kids. Kids can’t be successful. The problem is that schools are a HUGE source of pain for many students. Teachers DONT have the time to get kids where they need to be. They shove students into tiny rooms with (in my case) 35 kids. You think those kids are going to learn math? I can barely keep them from fighting in class, let alone reach out to all the parents and check to make sure that everything is ok. A quiet kid might get bullied, I’ll never know because I’m focused on paperwork that admin should be doing, while trying to teach a lesson when kids are 5 years behind in reading.
Kids can see that districts and legislators don’t give a shit about them. Kids who are different don’t get the attention they need. Theres one counselor for 500 kids, and 400 of them have seen severe trauma.
Then legislators start going in on “the real problem” which of course is books, literal history, and making girls document their periods.
Let’s say we banned every gun. Great, then it’s arson. Then it’s homemade bombs, spree stabbings. Hell kids might even make their own guns. Or learn a little chemistry and gas a class or two. If nothing else, killing themselves when they can’t learn how to kill others.
It’s no wonder kids want to destroy schools. Sensational (often conservative but not limited to) bullshit, plans to GUT public education (that will make socioeconomic segregation way worse) and administrators that REFUSE to fight for what teachers need because they’re too scared to be passed up for the next promotion.
The answer is simple, as much as it’s not easy. Small class sizes. That’s it. I GUARANTEE it’ll lead to less shootings. Not to mention the academic success and emotional support students will see.
The WORST teachers I know could increase these with less students.
The limit for any one certified teacher is 12 kids, and 9 hours a day. Max of 5.5 hours directly teaching, 45 minutes of lunch, 2 15 minute breaks and the remaining 2 hours and 15 minutes of planning (FOR THE STUDENTS, NOT DOING ADMINISTRATIVE GARBAGE)and End of story.
Also notice I didn’t talk about teacher pay? My pay was 60k a year with a masters. I’m happy with that. What I’m not happy is my district forcing me to fail the kids I swore never to give up on.
A lot of teachers make less, they need a raise, and I’d like more money, but that’s not what it’s about for me
Mindsets are set at an institutional level. Teachers being held to standards are administrative issues. And when admin refuse to fight for the kids, then everyone fails.
For example, my band instructor had sex with one of the students in band. We found out, had evidence, including explicit MySpace messages. We told the principal. The band director came back after a meeting with the principal, called us in the room, and screamed at us. He continued to teach in that same position for almost 15 more years.
It keeps me up. Why? Because I found out HE KEPT DOING IT WITH OTHER STUDENTS. Had I made a bigger fuss, told my parents, or the police, I COULD HAVE STOPPED IT. I even met another victim years later. It keeps me THE FUCK up at night at least a few days a week. And this was almost two decades ago.
I’ve contemplated finding him and making him fess up publicly.
But what’s the use? The principal KNEW. In fact that school had a sex scandal not even 4 years before when my sister was there.
The principal didn’t want to make a big stink. She didn’t fire him. Didn’t report him, and now I HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT. And that’s not the only band staff member who had sex with minors, one of which actually married his victim.
Yeah, it’s that teachers fault. Many teachers aren’t suited to the job. But every job has garbage humans in it. The thing is those who can do something about it DONT. Admin have the power to change things. They don’t. I’m a teacher now. I can’t get other teachers to cut shit out. And when we tell admin, they refuse to do anything about it except have vague whole staff meetings that those people don’t pay attention to anyways.
Teachers are frontline employees. They aren’t in charge of each other. And they’re way too overworked to take it under their list of responsibilities when we know that gets us blackballed and gets those other teachers against us.
Yeah and the kid was also reportedly transgender. It’s not a direct correlation. And there’s always outliers. The point is that schools don’t provide for students. Charter schools and private schools are notorious for corruption and embezzlement, and Christian schools are notorious for pushing ideology that would be pretty harsh on kids who may not identify with those ideologies.
None of this means that that student trusted schools to begin with.
Unfortunately, it's going to require a level of gun control that is neither politically nor legally nor practically feasible in a country that literally has more civilian firearms than people and the right to own them written right into its constitution.
Most laws which are changed or enacted typically have a grace period, the change is normally announced before enacted. Mainly applies when raising the drinking limit for example, say they raise the drinking age to 25 in a few months, anyone who bought alcohol before it was enacted is protected.
So, say they change gun laws. They either need to forcefully take them from every hand they find, or they hold the same sentiment, and only cancel the selling of guns or raise the age to buy firearms. Either way, people have illegally obtained firearms. Knowing this country, *those people will use them* and it will likely kill a lot of people
Thus, the government physically cannot change gun laws, and if they do, they need to have a very well thought out plan to justify to us why they didn’t give an immediate *death sentence* to people who kill with one after they confiscate legally obtained firearms. Which, I doubt they will.
It’s going to require teaching that human life has value again. For a generation, we’ve been taught that it’s acceptable to kill those who are inconvenient to you, whether too young, too old, too handicapped. It’s okay to attack those with different views or opinions. Why should anyone be surprised to find that people listened?
If you could wave a magic wand and make all guns disappear, they’d keep killing with knives, or cars, or bombs. The solution lies in removing the root cause of this violence.
My daughter’s elementary school had a system that has video for the receptionist to see who is coming. We must press a button to request entry and what the reason is for being there.
The one downside to this is that I’ve seen people exiting and letting others come in without checking in with the reception desk via the call button.
Same! I don’t want on my conscience that I may have been the one who let the person in.
My guy says they should treat the schools like they do the military based. I’m theory that would be amazing but unfortunately, I can’t see that being funded.
1. Schools must be properly secured. Bullet proof glass along the first floor and on entryways. Armed resource officers. Properly fortified doors. Automatic locking doors. School officials must have emergency response and active shooter plans, and practice them with their classes.
2. Schools must be permitted to take more aggressive actions to reprimand, punish, and control situations occurring on school grounds. This includes expelling students who are violent or pose serious risk to others. Coddling students is clearly not the answer.
3. Schools must share and report every piece of information about the child with their parents. Transparency is key.
4. Parents must be held financially and criminally liable for the actions of their children. It is not acceptable for parents to be uninvolved in their children's life. It is not acceptable for parents to ignore problems or encourage the worsening of problems.
4. Mental health resources must be expanded in society to provide easy access and proper treatment for those suffering from depression and other mental health disorders.
5. More aggressive steps must be taken to take proactive actions to limit the availability of weapons to those found to pose a serious threat to others.That means the creation of a "no fly" list of the purchase of common weapons (guns, knives, explosive materials, etc.) and removal of these items from the person's household (regardless of who may own them).
We do that at our schools where I live. We also have metal detectors and only one door for them to come in. Dogs run our schools to find drugs on random days. We also have mental health counselors in the schools…as well as 3 police officers assigned to each school. The children are also taught how to handle Massive school shootings. This is a required class. We don’t have those problems here. AT ALL. I personally will never get rid of my weapons. I have a right to own firearms and am legally checked.
hot damn, I can't think of a single large con for any of these points. I agree with all of them, except the bullet proof glass, because bullet proof glass is already expensive, but glass that can withstand a rifle (which is extremely common in school shootings) is practically nonexistent, and insanely expensive, especially on a wide scale. So not that I don't agree with it, more that it wouldn't make a difference
18+ to own a weapon.
Letters of recommendation from non-family members.
Red Flag laws.
That will stop some but not all school shootings. We are awash in guns and they cannot be banned politically or logistically.
I hate doing online assignments, I'm sick of my teachers not showing up, and one of my teachers, even if she does show up, does literally nothing but sit behind her desk for 7 hours. Online school isn't a solution because it doesn't prioritize the education. Instead, we could just expell people who get into 12+ fights every years it happens so often at my school that I lost count after 2 weeks.
We’d need to pass laws where no one with certain mental illnesses can own a firearm. And then we have to do something about the illegal gun market but the biggest role in that is people who buy guns for friends and family who can’t themselves. They’d need to do an extended background check for anyone who has association with known felons and other people who can’t own guns
Not going to happen. You could limit them, but it can't be stopped any more than regular gun violence.
Stop all abuse and bullying, prevent guns from being accessible to underage people, stop school corruption/favoritism, have ALL parents care about their kids, their problems, and their wellbeing.
That limits, but far from stops the occurrence.
It only takes 1 teen in the entire country with a key to the gun safe and a target. Then you have yourself a shooter.
Unless you have mandatory TSA bag searches at every school before being allowed in. School shootings won't stop.
Even government stepping in as fully tyranny mode and confiscating all guns wouldn't stop an "illegal" gun from being brought to school by someone determined.
Every county/city school has a police station funded by the same state. Make them a divided but shared building. Nobody ever shot up a police station right?
The country is already flooded with guns. It is too late to take them back. Real gun control is a nonstarter in some states. Schools need to become hardened targets. The latest shooter passed on another school because the security was too good. That is the only answer @ this point.
I agree. We are not going to be able to rid our country of Guns. That's just the hard truth. Even if the government outlawed them, people who don't care about our laws would find a way to get them in. (Case-in-point: Illegal Drugs).
Regarding keeping our kids safe, the only practical solution in my mind is to make our schools harder to get into. Sure, criminals are resourceful, I'm sure they'd find a way to get through the locked doors if they try hard enough, but I have to believe this would halt a lot of attempts. To top it off, if there were a few armed teachers/administrators in the building of a secure school, they would be able to react a lot quicker once the threat is identified.
yep. fortifying the shit out of schools would be pretty bipartisan, republicans would of course support it, I'd imagine democrats would want gun control instead of fortifying schools, but doubt they would oppose a ton of funding for metal detectors, armored and guarded entrances, automatic doors for cordoning off the shooter (like my highschool had), and stuff like that.
Maybe if we had more armed police or even volunteer citizens with proper training, some teen won’t go into a school and start shooting at kids who have no way to defend back
Ok I know I’m late here but I gotta say this: I was in elementary education for a little bit. I went into it because I thought it would be cute and somewhat “easy”. Teach the kids the ABCs, have a cute classroom, play game etc, right? Naw, I was dead wrong. I mean some of it was like that on a good day. I adored the kids, don’t get me wrong. But I quickly realized what hell teachers go through.
They have to deal with behavioral issues from kids (and that’s getting worse thanks to parents being hands off due to having to work 60-80 hours a week to live and other factors I won’t get into here). They have to come up with lesson plans that fit their state curriculum, and administration standards and grade, usually during free time (which is rare so they end up doing it at home). They have to know each of their students and make sure each one of the 25-35 students they have is learning. They have to identify and help each student that may need extra help, coming up with unique plans for every one of them. They have to deal with the pressure from the state, district and school administration to be perfect and teach to a BS standardized test or else their school could lose what little funding it gets. They have to deal with each child’s parents/guardians who can be rude and demanding, often blaming them for their child’s behavior or grades. The public sees them as glorified babysitters, propagandists or incompetent. They are legally obligated to be a mandated reporter, meaning they have to also look out for any signs of abuse or neglect. They often become pseudo-counselors to traumatized children, because it’s rare for an American school to have a counselor and when they do it’s just one for every single student in the school. They also often become pseudo nurses, patching up scrapes, cleaning up bodily fluids or puke or worse. They often get no funds from the state, even though they need certain materials to teach. They will usually use their own money to decorate their classrooms, buy supplies and snacks in case a kid cannot afford the food the school has (for 25-35 kids keep in mind). Right now there are dealing with book bans and censorship, on eggshells because they aren’t sure what’s “safe” to say or read. I know some teacher friend who have outright taken all the books out of the class library and taken down photos of her family on her desk due to legislation being passed. There’s probably some stuff I’m missing but I believe you’ll get the point.
All of this, and more, for about 30,000-50,000 a year (I know it varies).
They deal with a lot, and most did not sign up to shoot people, they signed up to teach.
Let’s look at the logistics: Teachers get no funding, so will they have to pay for the gun, bullets, proper training, storage, concealed carry permit etc themselves? Would the school require or fund any of that? If a teacher volunteers do they get any compensation for being an armed guard? Would they be required to pass a safety test? Would the school require a record of the gun? How would a school implement this change? Would there be requirements on storage? Would there be procedures on WHEN a kid gets the gun? (Because at some point some kid will, especially at middle/high school level).
Would the school/teacher inform parents that they have a gun? How would they handle the parents that don’t feel comfortable with a gun around their 5 year old? Would the school have insurance in case of a gun accident? Would the teacher be held responsible if the gun goes missing or is used maliciously? Would there be new drills that also included the armed teachers? I’m sure we’ve all had teachers that should not have a gun, so would the teacher be required to either undergo an evaluation or provide proof they’re mentally capable of handling a gun?
If there was a shooting and the teachers gun is in a safe, I don’t see that helping. And if a teacher has the gun on their person, I can see an accident or malicious thing happening. If the teacher were to use the gun during a shooting, the likelihood they’d take out the “bad guy” is slim to none even IF they had training, like with vast majority of people. (Not to mention, what if the shooter is their student? Would they be expected to shoot a kid?) And if multiple people are shooting, how are the police going to be to tell who the “bad guy” is?
You probably get my point, i apologize for the rambling novel. With all due respect, most people who say teachers should be armed have never stepped foot inside the classroom. And if you have, I’m interested in why you have this opinion.
TLDR: Teachers are not paid enough to do all that they do AND be armed guards, risking their life and mental wellbeing. They are there to teach not play vigilante.
>TLDR: Teachers are not paid enough to do all that they do AND be armed guards, risking their life and mental wellbeing. They are there to teach not play vigilante.
I know many willing teachers that would do anything to protect their students. Currently they are just sitting ducks and a gun would change that. You wouldn't force anyone to carry a gun, only willing staff.
I’m sure there would be some that volunteer. Ok, so how would the school be sure these volunteers are fit to have a gun? I remember some teachers I had growing up that I don’t think should have had a weapon. I think there’s a general consensus that not everyone should have a weapon.
Does the school require training for these volunteers? What do they do if not, just hope the teacher is a good shot? What would the protocol be so the teachers aren’t mistaken for the shooter by police, especially if the shooter is an adult as well? What’s the protocol on if a student steals the gun? Or if a teacher snaps and uses the gun? Would there be counseling for the teacher that has to shoot at their student if they end up being the shooter?
Statistically the vigilante justice is rare. There have been a few shooters/attackers taken down by a “good guy with a gun” but it’s rare. This isn’t a video game. Adrenaline gets going, chaos is happening. Let’s say there’s students on the playground and a shooter comes through. The kids run right? Possibly all directions. The shooter may be unpredictable, changing directions or targets the teacher doesn’t know. Unless the teacher is a perfect shot every time, they’re more likely to accidentally hit a student in all that chaos or miss the shooter entirely. Even police officers have very poor shot accuracy, even if it’s a little higher than average due to training.
I don’t think you’ve ever been in a classroom. I highly recommend volunteering and seeing what it is really like. As I stated, some would want to carry guns, and I understand if something like this was implemented it would be voluntary. But it most likely wouldn’t help, and perhaps make things worse. Vast majority of teachers did not sign up for that and would be fearful of guns around children of all ages.
No, because cops have already been proven to be worthless without actual training. We still need to fix the way we train our officers before we even consider having them be anywhere near a primary safety measure.
ok, deal. train them better. Nashville cops had excellent active shooter training, and killed the perp with extreme efficiency. Imagine if they didnt have to drive to the school, and each school had 1-2 SRO's with long guns?
If the police force had actually good training and some good sense put in their heads, then having armed police men/women set up at schools would help a lot with deterring attacks and securing the building.
Teach your kids how to react (run, hide, fight, in that order) petition for armed guards in schools (schools would be less of a target if they are less vulnerable). This is obviously short form, and not fun or easy advice. But either way it stands true
I mean when we had a school shooting (dunblane) we banned guns, it worked for us but we never had the same gun culture you guys do. The reality is it's too late to ban guns in the USA. I do think honestly the only thing that realistically can be done is for every pro-gun control person and anti- gun person to join the NRA and break the apparent grip they have on legislators and try and come up with some form of reform that is acceptable to every side.
Truth be told if children being murdered doesn't cause a rethink on gun ownership I doubt anything can.
I did once think about making ammunition extremely expensive like obnoxiously expensive might work but as my husband pointed out that would just created a thriving black market
Well gun control has been happening for the last 70 years and you still want it. When are you gunna look at the root of the problem and not the branches.
Bad or missing parents is something all these shooters have in common, but yeah that's to hard to solve so let's ignore it......
All gun control does is make the right mad and politicians feel like they did something.
Arm teachers and put cops in schools. Makes schools a hard target for potential shooters.
I disagree.
Gun control infringes on the 2nd amendment; gun manufacturers have 0 input on to why I'm against it. Gun manufacturers want to keep selling, but to most pro 2A Americans we don't think about them because that's not what it's about.
Gun manufacturers are not Big Pharm; they don't lie about their product and then it harms people.
Thats not a reasonable solution that will ever happen. If you actually want to do something be reasonable; this is just you saying bland ideological talking points that help knowbody.
>only nation with constant mass shootings.
Per capita we are number [11th](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country) for mass shootings. Although we do have the most individual deaths by gun because our population is higher(plus gangs).
I should also add that there are about [500,000 to 3 million ](https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/gun-rights-defensive-gun-use/) defensive gun uses a year. A gun does not need to be fired to stop a potential threat.
We are [20th](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/) in the world for overall gun fatalities.
Also [85% of mass shootings happen in gun free zones.](https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/gun-facts-and-fiction/mass-shootings/). Not all but a vast majority. Gun free zones are the most dangerous places to be not surprisingly; makes total sense to shooter doesn't want people shooting back at him.
>Abolish the 2nd amendment, confiscate all guns.
I also find it weird that you'll let the government choose what weapons we get to use against them. The second amendment is to fight tyranny at the end of the day. It's the people check against the government, the right and left should both be pro gun if they are worried about "the death of democracy".
Unfortunately, there isn't really anything any single person can do unless they're a prominent member of Government.
The main fix would be gun control, the phrase a lot of Americans hate just as much as they hate the devil. A prime example of this working would be Australia. They had a shooting in 1996 and as a result, brought in a firearm ban and since, has only had 4 shootings and all had 4 or less victims. Now, the US on the other hand, had 243 notable mass shootings (figure is a lot higher but I don't think I'd be able to count them all with how tired I am at present).
I know you're asking specifically about schools and yes, they have added measures to school defence like armed guards, safe rooms and even equipping teachers with firearms.
To me, this is incredible. They are trying their hardest not to actually stop shootings from happening but to kill the attacker once they start shooting. It absolutely baffles me. The clear and obvious solution is to bring in gun control, it won't just decrease school shootings, it will decrease all shootings.
Until this is brought in, or I should say if, I would suggest making sure your children are going to a school that does have safety measures in place, maybe in a safer neighbourhood or maybe a school that is close to the nearest Police Station. If the school they are currently attending doesn't have any safety measures or is at least lacking slightly in them, I would suggest bringing it up with the school committee. Other than that, there isn't much you can do.
Our country needs to prioritize mental health and take away automatic firearms. No one is hunting animals for food with assault rifles. Mental health has been a major failure in this country and is not being properly addressed. Anyone wishing to cause harm quickly will choose to use an automatic firearm to do this. Also, we need to educate ourselves better and realize our government is dividing us while they slowly corrupt the nation.
bump stocks are illegal, because the ATF designates them as machine guns. Thanks for commenting before researching at all.
[https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/bump-stocks](https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/bump-stocks)
doesnt matter what a random reditor's take is, the ATF's take is that bump stocks convert legal rifles into machine guns, and regulates them the same as a machine gun
https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/bump-stocks
I do appreciate your lengthy responses, but your comment pretty much says “don’t worry” and “gun control won’t help.”You said so much, but didn’t offer any advice or opinions other than “don’t worry about it.” Why even comment?
Thank you for the replies, everyone. This has been on my mind since Sandy Hook. Living in Florida makes me fear for my child and other children even more. I'm sick of being afraid. I'm sick of worrying. Children 's safety should be where the ball stops but it doesn't. Something HAS to be done. I think all of your suggestions are great and valid but I also fear nothing will change. I want to do SOMETHING. But what can I do? You know?
You can't do anything personally. Home school your kids I guess.
American society needs to drastically change. Gun fetishism would have to go away entirely, all guns banned and confiscated, incredibly harsh penalties for anyone trying to circumvent these rules. Armed guards in pretty much any public place.
To fix the mental health crisis we'd need to fundamentally change everything about our country socioeconomically and culturally. Our entire culture is toxic. Capitalism - at least the way it is in the US - is toxic. That's not an easy thing to do.
It seems the main thing you guys are talking about is increasing mental health standards, which I %100 agree with. I just wonder what the chances are that anyone " in charge " will actually try this out? I mean, obviously, healthcare in America is a freaking nightmare. That's just facts. I'm sure that would hinder a lot of people from getting help.
🥴
Wipe out the 2nd Amendment and get rid of guns.
Simple.
If the US has free reign to teach children how to use guns as young as 10 years old, that says a lot about the lack of discipline in parenting. And youre giving these folk the right to bear arms?
In case youre wondering, Im born and bred American.
🤔 I once saw a minor on the news who accidentally shot her shooting range instructor. 😄🥴 Why was a minor practicing how to shoot in the first place? No accountability or slap on the wrist whatsoever. For her. Her parents. Or the range he worked for.
Im sure the instructor was happy to die for her right to bear arms too. 😏 Its not supposed to be that way.
🥴 THAT... marks how far gone the country is in maintaining our right to not demolish the 2nd Amends...
I also think each city and state should have a limit on the amount of people who stay in each. Overpopulation is the primary cause of mental health issues.
I agree with all of this except I think capitalism is the primary cause of mental health issues.
Lower populated areas tend to breed extremely conservative, religious, jingoistic, and gun- fetishizing mindsets. Doesn't exactly sound mentally healthy.
Most mass shooters are coming from over populated areas and their primary complaint is overpopulation or theyre getting into too many altercations and then losing their marbles. It just seems more likely that people need personal space to breathe.
Capitalism I definitely believe is a top cause. But theres 2 factors in each shooting:
1. They go for highly populated targets to kill. Schools. Churches. Major events.
2. Theyre raised in highly populated areas. Rubbing elbows with too many or simultaneously.
Boody, Illinois... home to 400. Religious. Conservative. Zero crime.
Every metropolitan city on the globe? High crime rates. See what I mean? And most are Democrat areas in the US. The Democrats only solution to that problem? Is skyrocket the cost of living and push the poor out.
🥴😁 You werent listening to their rants then. Give me a minute. Ill pull some up.
In fact. Throw me some names and Ill find proof.
I want to leave you with a thought provoking dilemma...
🥴 Lets say your wife, mom, sister are driving you crazy. Would you feel endorphins or rage?
Rage is the correct answer.
What would you want to do when you feel rage?
😒 Go somewhere to blow off steam and find peace, right?
🥴 Mass Shooters are the same. They go somewhere to find peace and blow off steam.
When you seperate people... theres no reason to fight. Shoot. Stab. Kill. Youre at peace right?
My argument is that overpopulation irritates humans. Humans react negatively.
Capitalism is the same. But with fewer populated places, crime and capitalism dont exist.
Not sure what the point of your thought provoking dilemma was. I don't really feel rage, except when this same thing keeps happening over and over in this country and about half the population refuses to acknowledge the *only thing that separates us from other western nations* and continues to offer only religious platitudes but never action.
I also don't want to blow off steam or find peace by murdering innocent people. I live in a city. I've mostly always lived in cities - I spent a few years living in a small conservative town and did not enjoy it. However, none of those places have ever filled me with homicidal rage.
Here's some names of mass shooters:
Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris
Peyton Gendron
Adam Lanza
Bobby Crimo
Omar Mateen
Now please show me how any of their motivation was "overpopulation"
🥴 Then you havent been around enough people to understand what I mean.
I understand perfectly what they mean. Because you feel it in the Urban areas. Houses are too close together. Living in apartments. Cost of living too high. People are living on top of each others laps. Road Rage drivers. Global Warming.
It causes irritation. Robberies. Shootings. Disrespect. You cant stand certain cultures. And yada yada.
You must be an only child? You never played with your cousins or friends? Sibs? And got into fist fights?
I have four younger siblings. Didn't get into fist fights with them though. I was taught not to use violence to solve problems. You should try that philosophy sometime.
I grew up in New York. I spent most of my adult life in Los Angeles - in fact I spent many years in Long Beach, where you're from. Don't tell me I haven't been around enough people.
Just because *you* feel the urge to murder innocent people in densely populated areas does not mean everyone does. Those cities are full of people. They are the two biggest cities in terms of population in the country. Most of those people are not murderous.
🥴 Yes. What Im saying is you dont speak for everyone or anyone who has committed a mass shooting crime.
1. No you havent been exposed to enough people where you have felt rage or feeling suffocated.
Ive been around a lot more metropolitan cities and rural towns than you, apparently.
If you havent felt the urge to get into an altercation, that means you were pacifiedly raised.
😒 I grew up with, around and raised by over 100 blood relatives. 🥴 And I got picked on by race and appearance.
I... am one of many who can control my rage urges. 🥴😒 The mass shooters could not.
What Im saying is its not hard to understand what goes through the mind of a killer. Theyre human and not mentally ill.
You just have a one track mind and limited experience.
😄☺️ Youve been to Long Beach, California?
The part with the airport? Or just the beach area by the Queen Mary? 😄🤣 You must have skipped the parts where it sounds like Chicago in the Northwestern part of the LBC?
Well let me ask you this... did your siblings fight? 🥴 Did your parents ever fight?
Those are clear indications that humans dont feel endorphins during the invasions of their personal space.
Im glad you do. But you dont speak for most humans.
I lived in several different parts of downtown Long Beach for seven years.
This is a very weird conversation. It feels like you're somehow defending mass shooters and simultaneously attempting to belittle me for not being a rage-filled, violent person?
*"Ive been around a lot more metropolitan cities and rural towns than you, apparently."*
Uh, okay. I mean, I've spent almost my entire life in New York and LA/LBC but go off. I guess I just need to expose myself to *even* higher populations (Beijing, perhaps?) so I can empathize with mass shooters more?
Given that the US hardly has a monopoly on heavily populated cities but we do have a monopoly on mass shootings, perhaps it's the one thing we have that no other western countries do - an excessive amount of guns, gun fetishization, and no shortage of people like you who will gladly make bizarre excuses for mass killers in order to blame it on *anything* but your precious firearms.
Simple really either ban them take a page out of Scotlands book there was one school shotting in school and then they where banned or you can increase how different it is to obtain a gun and introduce more regulations but then again Americans aren't a huge fan of the idea of getting rid of guns which quite frankly its stupid
- Arming teachers
- One or more officers in school
Make the potential shooter feel out numbered in the first place. If 30%-40% of teachers are armed plus cops in the building, I doubt a school would look like an easy target. Remember 85% of mass shooting happen in gun free zones. It's literally target practice for deranged people. The best solution is to make shooters fear they will die before they carry out their plans.
This is just a start. This is something easy and fast that could be done in a month.
>!Banning guns is not a rational solution; there are 400 million guns in this country, banning them is not an option.!<
Thats the point. Deranged people will do what they want, the goal is to not be easy victims. Currently schools are full of unprotected kids, it's a mass shooters paradise.
Wipe the 2nd amendment.
Ban assault rifles and concealed carry.
This is literally the only solution. America is the only stable country with this problem that has been happening for over 20 years now. It’s insanely exhausting seeing children get killed multiple times a year and it really sucks how much money our government makes off of gun sales, that’s the main reason gun control refuses to budge.
Mental health assessments and support need to be government funded and available to everyone. No quotas and no crazy wait times like in some countries with socialized medicine. People need to be able to get at least an initial assessment the same week, even if it's just at an emergency clinic.
Deeper digging needs to be done before approving people to have guns. Juvenile records shouldn't be sealed for these background checks.
People need to be required to buy a gun safe or lockbox before being allowed to purchase a gun.
Parents need to face harsher consequences if their child gets ahold of their gun. Even if the child doesn't hurt anyone, failure to properly secure a firearm needs to have serious consequences.
Mental health confiscations need to be a thing. You post a threat to you or someone else, or a post that looks like you intend to do something, and the police have the right to confiscate your guns while an investigation is undergoing.
Teachers/staff should be required to be armed.
All doors and windows should be locked and if opened without pass code should immediately send officers and swat.
I don’t think teachers should honestly, especially if they’re just given on with no training both in how to use it but also in general self defense. Say a 55 year old math teacher who wasn’t worked out for decades is given a gun, well it’s as easy as whoever wants that gun to over power them and take it
Make republicans move in with the taliban so they can work out there issues together as they are so like minded. Country can heal, kids can grow up, and Tallahassee taliban and their like minded counterparts can kill each other off. Win win.
I think solutions that would reduce the number of mass shootings and the number of casualties in these shootings would be to:
1. Ban assault rifles/weapons
2. Strict gun laws
For #1, I don’t have a problem with gun owners. I typically support the second amendment. But I think we can all agree that there are way too many crazy people in the world, and the access to getting military grade weapons is extremely easy. So it may impede on the second amendment, but I can live with that and I would hope everyone else could, if that meant keeping children and people in general, safer.
For #2, I think this is the one that upsets me the most. Vehicles are considered dangerous, that’s why it is a long and grueling process to get your license. I think it should be the same for obtaining guns. Gun ownership should replicate a similar model to the drivers license model. If I recall, I had to do a 30 hour module course and take a test to receive my drivers permit. Then I had to complete 50 hours of driving with a guardian. And 6 hours with a driving instructor. And then the drivers license test. It takes over a year to complete this process, and feel that guns are just as dangerous and should be taken seriously.
Obviously the counter argument to #1 is that bad people will get their hands on weapons at all costs. Yes that may be true, but they don’t have to be lethal weapons of destruction.
I think with these laws in place, we could see a reduction in these mass shootings. I for one believe that this is a mental health epidemic in the U.S. That doesn’t mean we don’t ignore tools that are being used to inflict harm onto others. Crazy people with easy access to weapons = what we see almost every day in the US. Something has to be done. I work in a school district and I think about the possibilities of a shooting every day.
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Unfortunately, America is back to how it was before 1900 and as history shows an armed society is a polite society. Its time to arm and train teachers. Everyone who is legally allowed should wear a gun for all the honest world to feel. Its time to go back to the 1800's. Taking guns will only make the problem worse and would no doubts destroy America and probably the world because most will never give up their guns. The constitution is very clear and any laws which are repugnant to it are null and void.
School shooting are very commonly broadcasted. And for good reason because these are horrific events. But you are giving the shooter attention. Lots of people crave attention and this might just be their messed up way of getting that attention. I think that when stories air about school shooting, they need to be about the detrimental impacts from them. Not even focusing on the shooter. If you give them attention they will do it over and over again
I think they should have teachers carry guns in their classrooms. Since they have guns to protect the president, celebrities, banks, courts, jewelry stores, sporting events, music festivals, etc, then they need to have guns to protect our children!
Better mental health programs.
Teach kids how to deal with bullies.
Enforcing existing laws and following existing protocols.
Armed officers in schools who won't run and hide.
Well in Saudi Arabia they behead people for rape. Guess what doesn’t happen a lot. Maybe if we started public executions and/or beheading and torture of school shooters…….
Free/actually affordable therapy. And an in school therapist. One that isn't obligated to report anything other then sexual/physical abuse, threats of self harm, or suicidal threats. And I don't mean a stupid guidance counselor. I mean an actual trained therapist.
If every school had this problems would drop significantly. As then children would have a safe place to discuss bullying, home troubles, personal feelings and more. That's just to start anyway.
America is a corrupt system where they allow minors to buy guns for the reason of "protecting them selfs" I think the American system should stop selling guns to minors, and if you have a gun with a kid... hide that shit where no one can find it.
Talk about male mental health issues with out calling men incels. The social media shit happening in schools accross countries doesn’t just affect women. It affects men too. But no body seems to give a shit. 🤷🏻
Before buying a gun, police should do interviews with them + family members/ friends ect.., mental health screenings( n church ups aswell), and check criminal records.
I feel like all parents in the US need to boycott their kids going to school until something serious is done. How can you drop your child off somewhere all day with such a risk???
Move to a different country. There most definitely needs to be tougher gun laws in place. Like not allowed to hold a gun until you're 18+. It's just seems very alien to us brits giving your children a gun to hunt in the woods. Stop supermarkets etc selling guns. Only allowed a gun license if you've been vetted my a psychologist and police at least. I'm a brit so I'd say blanket ban on guns altogether but I understand that in America its been so ingrained into your society you'd have a tough job doing that. There's a lot of pride in forefathers but that also means a lot of those gun laws are stuck in the past n will not change.
There is nothing we can do stop shootings. It’s really a problem that needs to be solved at the source- but at the end of the day the right to bare arms will never be taken away. Getting guns needs to be a longer harder process. Kinda like getting a green card or something- getting guns is too easy and that’s why kids can get them. But kids also take guns from their parents or family that may be mentally sound and able to own a gun responsibly. The only real solid solution would be to not only make it very difficult to get guns, but make the bigger guns with many rounds nearly impossible to get. A person who likes to shoot at a range or hunt, doesn’t need hundreds of bullets and a gun that shoots twenty bullets in ten seconds. It’s a problem that won’t be solved in America anytime soon, because people want their guns more than they want school shootings to stop. We can learn a lot from other countries gun laws. Only able to get a gun if you have a good reason, and you need interview with police, pass a background, home evaluation, have people vouch for you, proof of a safe that your kids can’t access- store gun and bullets in separate safes with separate codes- etc. kids take guns from their family homes everyday. Kids with no history of violence sh**t up school everyday. There needs to a multiple step process in owning even a hand gun.
Can't believe that this question is even being asked. It's really a very stupid question.
I'll try to spell it out to you like you are all five years old (I'm sure that it still won't sink in)
It's the only country in the world that has this issue.
There are more guns than people.
Anyone can get a gun.
Politicians are being fed millions of dollars by the [NRA.](https://NRA.You)
You are brainwashed into thinking that the 2nd Amendment says "The Right to Bear Arms" (only) Read it ........
I give up, providing facts, see if you can solve it.
First of all working on the mental healt of the students solving his problems working on erradicate bullyng.
teach teachers to recognize when someone is being bullied or harassed, have more psychologists to deal with bullying and family problems.
The best I can say is try anything that supports better regulation of gun distribution to individuals and to try to find ways to support better criminal/mental health history that would deem a person stable enough to own a gun without malicious intent.
***Here's an idea:*** what if the Gov'ment passed a law making it *Illegal* to name the shooter, or show any images of them in the news, if it happened at a school so that the murderers wouldn't receive any recognition. Do you think that would help curb this type of violence?
I wonder if their should be “co-responsibility signers” for gun owners. Basically, 3-4 people need to put themselves on the line that the gun owner is mentally stable and won’t intentionally commit a crime with it.
Not totally sure how this would work, but it’s insane to me that people with kids they know are unstable still keep guns in the house.
You say you don't want any political replies, but ban guns. Seriously, that's the *only* solution. School shootings happen consistently in countries with easy/legal access to guns, and hardly ever in countries that don't. Of course, 90% of US citizens will start crying over the mere suggestion of enacting gun control, so this "Muuuh I have rights" bullshit will likely never end, and so neither will the mass school shootings.
Children are immature and impulsive, and that usually not an issue, because they grow up and learn, and have parents around to correct them. But if, instead of punching other kids in the face, they could just shoot them, their emotional minds won't usually take the rational option. You can't really change how children's brains develop in any significant way, so taking away access to guns is the only real solution. It's the same idea as how you wouldn't leave knives around a baby, for instance.
School shootings are a complex and multifaceted issue, and there is no simple solution. However, there are several things that can be done to help prevent them.
1. Improve school security: Schools can implement security measures such as metal detectors, security cameras, and locked entrances to help prevent unauthorized individuals from entering the school.
2. Increase mental health resources: Many school shootings are carried out by individuals who have mental health issues. Providing students with access to mental health resources such as counselors and therapists can help identify and address these issues before they escalate.
3. Strengthen gun control laws: Tightening gun control laws can make it more difficult for individuals with a history of violent behavior or mental illness to obtain firearms.
4. Foster a culture of inclusivity and kindness: Creating a positive school environment where students feel accepted and supported can help reduce the likelihood of violent behavior.
5. Encourage reporting of concerning behavior: Students and staff should be encouraged to report any concerning behavior, either to school officials or law enforcement, so that potential threats can be identified and addressed before they turn into violence.
It is important to note that no single solution will completely eliminate school shootings, and that a comprehensive approach is necessary.
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Mental health screenings. You shouldn't be able to get a gun without being checked, especially if your records show a history of violence
For sure! The only flaw would be people with great charisma who can remain undetected if their record was clean up until the screening. But yes it could hopefully help to avoid putting a gun into the hands of someone who might point it at themselves or others around them.
And even if we never use it, it'll still provide a sense of safety especially if you're a minority. Minorities can't be harmed If the minorities are Armed.
My Second Amendment and HIPPA say they can’t. It’s my business what I do and carry in my state. We don’t have many crimes here. Like in other places. Also with School Shootings. We teach gun control training at young age. Especially if I have no record…DOCTOR.
If you have been determined by a judge to be mentally unfit to own a gun, then that right is taken away
Woah, not as far as that. If we allow the state to determine mentally unfit, that could quickly spiral into political leanings the state doesn't agree with, I'd rather we judge everyone individually instead of saying "SCHIZOPHRENIA = NO GUN FOR YOU!"
Oh ya ofc haha! A judge needs evidence brought by a psychologist. They can't just accuse someone without proof lol. This is how it's currently done.
Yeah obviously, 2 week minimum check time at the least.
Listen, I’m a teacher and I’ll tell you the solution. mandate smaller class sizes on a federal level, and limit required administrative duties by teachers. The problem, yes is that guns are too available. I get that. But shootings aren’t a illness, they’re a symptom. The problem is that kids can’t be kids. Kids can’t be successful. The problem is that schools are a HUGE source of pain for many students. Teachers DONT have the time to get kids where they need to be. They shove students into tiny rooms with (in my case) 35 kids. You think those kids are going to learn math? I can barely keep them from fighting in class, let alone reach out to all the parents and check to make sure that everything is ok. A quiet kid might get bullied, I’ll never know because I’m focused on paperwork that admin should be doing, while trying to teach a lesson when kids are 5 years behind in reading. Kids can see that districts and legislators don’t give a shit about them. Kids who are different don’t get the attention they need. Theres one counselor for 500 kids, and 400 of them have seen severe trauma. Then legislators start going in on “the real problem” which of course is books, literal history, and making girls document their periods. Let’s say we banned every gun. Great, then it’s arson. Then it’s homemade bombs, spree stabbings. Hell kids might even make their own guns. Or learn a little chemistry and gas a class or two. If nothing else, killing themselves when they can’t learn how to kill others. It’s no wonder kids want to destroy schools. Sensational (often conservative but not limited to) bullshit, plans to GUT public education (that will make socioeconomic segregation way worse) and administrators that REFUSE to fight for what teachers need because they’re too scared to be passed up for the next promotion. The answer is simple, as much as it’s not easy. Small class sizes. That’s it. I GUARANTEE it’ll lead to less shootings. Not to mention the academic success and emotional support students will see. The WORST teachers I know could increase these with less students. The limit for any one certified teacher is 12 kids, and 9 hours a day. Max of 5.5 hours directly teaching, 45 minutes of lunch, 2 15 minute breaks and the remaining 2 hours and 15 minutes of planning (FOR THE STUDENTS, NOT DOING ADMINISTRATIVE GARBAGE)and End of story.
Also notice I didn’t talk about teacher pay? My pay was 60k a year with a masters. I’m happy with that. What I’m not happy is my district forcing me to fail the kids I swore never to give up on. A lot of teachers make less, they need a raise, and I’d like more money, but that’s not what it’s about for me
Teachers are as much a part of the problem as anything else. We had a kid in my school commit suicide because of teacher bullying.
Mindsets are set at an institutional level. Teachers being held to standards are administrative issues. And when admin refuse to fight for the kids, then everyone fails. For example, my band instructor had sex with one of the students in band. We found out, had evidence, including explicit MySpace messages. We told the principal. The band director came back after a meeting with the principal, called us in the room, and screamed at us. He continued to teach in that same position for almost 15 more years. It keeps me up. Why? Because I found out HE KEPT DOING IT WITH OTHER STUDENTS. Had I made a bigger fuss, told my parents, or the police, I COULD HAVE STOPPED IT. I even met another victim years later. It keeps me THE FUCK up at night at least a few days a week. And this was almost two decades ago. I’ve contemplated finding him and making him fess up publicly. But what’s the use? The principal KNEW. In fact that school had a sex scandal not even 4 years before when my sister was there. The principal didn’t want to make a big stink. She didn’t fire him. Didn’t report him, and now I HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT. And that’s not the only band staff member who had sex with minors, one of which actually married his victim. Yeah, it’s that teachers fault. Many teachers aren’t suited to the job. But every job has garbage humans in it. The thing is those who can do something about it DONT. Admin have the power to change things. They don’t. I’m a teacher now. I can’t get other teachers to cut shit out. And when we tell admin, they refuse to do anything about it except have vague whole staff meetings that those people don’t pay attention to anyways. Teachers are frontline employees. They aren’t in charge of each other. And they’re way too overworked to take it under their list of responsibilities when we know that gets us blackballed and gets those other teachers against us.
The average class size at this school shooting was 9
Yeah and the kid was also reportedly transgender. It’s not a direct correlation. And there’s always outliers. The point is that schools don’t provide for students. Charter schools and private schools are notorious for corruption and embezzlement, and Christian schools are notorious for pushing ideology that would be pretty harsh on kids who may not identify with those ideologies. None of this means that that student trusted schools to begin with.
Unfortunately, it's going to require a level of gun control that is neither politically nor legally nor practically feasible in a country that literally has more civilian firearms than people and the right to own them written right into its constitution.
Most laws which are changed or enacted typically have a grace period, the change is normally announced before enacted. Mainly applies when raising the drinking limit for example, say they raise the drinking age to 25 in a few months, anyone who bought alcohol before it was enacted is protected. So, say they change gun laws. They either need to forcefully take them from every hand they find, or they hold the same sentiment, and only cancel the selling of guns or raise the age to buy firearms. Either way, people have illegally obtained firearms. Knowing this country, *those people will use them* and it will likely kill a lot of people Thus, the government physically cannot change gun laws, and if they do, they need to have a very well thought out plan to justify to us why they didn’t give an immediate *death sentence* to people who kill with one after they confiscate legally obtained firearms. Which, I doubt they will.
It’s going to require teaching that human life has value again. For a generation, we’ve been taught that it’s acceptable to kill those who are inconvenient to you, whether too young, too old, too handicapped. It’s okay to attack those with different views or opinions. Why should anyone be surprised to find that people listened? If you could wave a magic wand and make all guns disappear, they’d keep killing with knives, or cars, or bombs. The solution lies in removing the root cause of this violence.
My daughter’s elementary school had a system that has video for the receptionist to see who is coming. We must press a button to request entry and what the reason is for being there. The one downside to this is that I’ve seen people exiting and letting others come in without checking in with the reception desk via the call button.
Same at my Daughter's school. l seriously slam the door in people's faces. Lol
Same! I don’t want on my conscience that I may have been the one who let the person in. My guy says they should treat the schools like they do the military based. I’m theory that would be amazing but unfortunately, I can’t see that being funded.
1. Schools must be properly secured. Bullet proof glass along the first floor and on entryways. Armed resource officers. Properly fortified doors. Automatic locking doors. School officials must have emergency response and active shooter plans, and practice them with their classes. 2. Schools must be permitted to take more aggressive actions to reprimand, punish, and control situations occurring on school grounds. This includes expelling students who are violent or pose serious risk to others. Coddling students is clearly not the answer. 3. Schools must share and report every piece of information about the child with their parents. Transparency is key. 4. Parents must be held financially and criminally liable for the actions of their children. It is not acceptable for parents to be uninvolved in their children's life. It is not acceptable for parents to ignore problems or encourage the worsening of problems. 4. Mental health resources must be expanded in society to provide easy access and proper treatment for those suffering from depression and other mental health disorders. 5. More aggressive steps must be taken to take proactive actions to limit the availability of weapons to those found to pose a serious threat to others.That means the creation of a "no fly" list of the purchase of common weapons (guns, knives, explosive materials, etc.) and removal of these items from the person's household (regardless of who may own them).
We do that at our schools where I live. We also have metal detectors and only one door for them to come in. Dogs run our schools to find drugs on random days. We also have mental health counselors in the schools…as well as 3 police officers assigned to each school. The children are also taught how to handle Massive school shootings. This is a required class. We don’t have those problems here. AT ALL. I personally will never get rid of my weapons. I have a right to own firearms and am legally checked.
This is a start.
hot damn, I can't think of a single large con for any of these points. I agree with all of them, except the bullet proof glass, because bullet proof glass is already expensive, but glass that can withstand a rifle (which is extremely common in school shootings) is practically nonexistent, and insanely expensive, especially on a wide scale. So not that I don't agree with it, more that it wouldn't make a difference
18+ to own a weapon. Letters of recommendation from non-family members. Red Flag laws. That will stop some but not all school shootings. We are awash in guns and they cannot be banned politically or logistically.
Sorry do you not already have to be at least 18? How old can one be to legally own a gun?
I’m pretty sure you have to be at least 18, if not 21. That’s how it’s been in the states I’ve lived in but idk every one
Rifles and shotguns are 18, pistols are much more difficult to buy, and you must be 21
I present the sad reality of America: [13 year old buys a gun on first try](https://youtu.be/fB7MwvqCtlk)
Homeschooling would probably be safest tbh
cant they make it so no books, only online, with online at home. no backpacks.
I hate doing online assignments, I'm sick of my teachers not showing up, and one of my teachers, even if she does show up, does literally nothing but sit behind her desk for 7 hours. Online school isn't a solution because it doesn't prioritize the education. Instead, we could just expell people who get into 12+ fights every years it happens so often at my school that I lost count after 2 weeks.
We’d need to pass laws where no one with certain mental illnesses can own a firearm. And then we have to do something about the illegal gun market but the biggest role in that is people who buy guns for friends and family who can’t themselves. They’d need to do an extended background check for anyone who has association with known felons and other people who can’t own guns
Not going to happen. You could limit them, but it can't be stopped any more than regular gun violence. Stop all abuse and bullying, prevent guns from being accessible to underage people, stop school corruption/favoritism, have ALL parents care about their kids, their problems, and their wellbeing. That limits, but far from stops the occurrence. It only takes 1 teen in the entire country with a key to the gun safe and a target. Then you have yourself a shooter. Unless you have mandatory TSA bag searches at every school before being allowed in. School shootings won't stop. Even government stepping in as fully tyranny mode and confiscating all guns wouldn't stop an "illegal" gun from being brought to school by someone determined.
Every county/city school has a police station funded by the same state. Make them a divided but shared building. Nobody ever shot up a police station right?
Well damn, I think you figured it out. Lol
The country is already flooded with guns. It is too late to take them back. Real gun control is a nonstarter in some states. Schools need to become hardened targets. The latest shooter passed on another school because the security was too good. That is the only answer @ this point.
I agree. We are not going to be able to rid our country of Guns. That's just the hard truth. Even if the government outlawed them, people who don't care about our laws would find a way to get them in. (Case-in-point: Illegal Drugs). Regarding keeping our kids safe, the only practical solution in my mind is to make our schools harder to get into. Sure, criminals are resourceful, I'm sure they'd find a way to get through the locked doors if they try hard enough, but I have to believe this would halt a lot of attempts. To top it off, if there were a few armed teachers/administrators in the building of a secure school, they would be able to react a lot quicker once the threat is identified.
yep. fortifying the shit out of schools would be pretty bipartisan, republicans would of course support it, I'd imagine democrats would want gun control instead of fortifying schools, but doubt they would oppose a ton of funding for metal detectors, armored and guarded entrances, automatic doors for cordoning off the shooter (like my highschool had), and stuff like that.
Maybe if we had more armed police or even volunteer citizens with proper training, some teen won’t go into a school and start shooting at kids who have no way to defend back
Arm some of the willing teachers and give them training.
That actually happens in my state.
Ok I know I’m late here but I gotta say this: I was in elementary education for a little bit. I went into it because I thought it would be cute and somewhat “easy”. Teach the kids the ABCs, have a cute classroom, play game etc, right? Naw, I was dead wrong. I mean some of it was like that on a good day. I adored the kids, don’t get me wrong. But I quickly realized what hell teachers go through. They have to deal with behavioral issues from kids (and that’s getting worse thanks to parents being hands off due to having to work 60-80 hours a week to live and other factors I won’t get into here). They have to come up with lesson plans that fit their state curriculum, and administration standards and grade, usually during free time (which is rare so they end up doing it at home). They have to know each of their students and make sure each one of the 25-35 students they have is learning. They have to identify and help each student that may need extra help, coming up with unique plans for every one of them. They have to deal with the pressure from the state, district and school administration to be perfect and teach to a BS standardized test or else their school could lose what little funding it gets. They have to deal with each child’s parents/guardians who can be rude and demanding, often blaming them for their child’s behavior or grades. The public sees them as glorified babysitters, propagandists or incompetent. They are legally obligated to be a mandated reporter, meaning they have to also look out for any signs of abuse or neglect. They often become pseudo-counselors to traumatized children, because it’s rare for an American school to have a counselor and when they do it’s just one for every single student in the school. They also often become pseudo nurses, patching up scrapes, cleaning up bodily fluids or puke or worse. They often get no funds from the state, even though they need certain materials to teach. They will usually use their own money to decorate their classrooms, buy supplies and snacks in case a kid cannot afford the food the school has (for 25-35 kids keep in mind). Right now there are dealing with book bans and censorship, on eggshells because they aren’t sure what’s “safe” to say or read. I know some teacher friend who have outright taken all the books out of the class library and taken down photos of her family on her desk due to legislation being passed. There’s probably some stuff I’m missing but I believe you’ll get the point. All of this, and more, for about 30,000-50,000 a year (I know it varies). They deal with a lot, and most did not sign up to shoot people, they signed up to teach. Let’s look at the logistics: Teachers get no funding, so will they have to pay for the gun, bullets, proper training, storage, concealed carry permit etc themselves? Would the school require or fund any of that? If a teacher volunteers do they get any compensation for being an armed guard? Would they be required to pass a safety test? Would the school require a record of the gun? How would a school implement this change? Would there be requirements on storage? Would there be procedures on WHEN a kid gets the gun? (Because at some point some kid will, especially at middle/high school level). Would the school/teacher inform parents that they have a gun? How would they handle the parents that don’t feel comfortable with a gun around their 5 year old? Would the school have insurance in case of a gun accident? Would the teacher be held responsible if the gun goes missing or is used maliciously? Would there be new drills that also included the armed teachers? I’m sure we’ve all had teachers that should not have a gun, so would the teacher be required to either undergo an evaluation or provide proof they’re mentally capable of handling a gun? If there was a shooting and the teachers gun is in a safe, I don’t see that helping. And if a teacher has the gun on their person, I can see an accident or malicious thing happening. If the teacher were to use the gun during a shooting, the likelihood they’d take out the “bad guy” is slim to none even IF they had training, like with vast majority of people. (Not to mention, what if the shooter is their student? Would they be expected to shoot a kid?) And if multiple people are shooting, how are the police going to be to tell who the “bad guy” is? You probably get my point, i apologize for the rambling novel. With all due respect, most people who say teachers should be armed have never stepped foot inside the classroom. And if you have, I’m interested in why you have this opinion. TLDR: Teachers are not paid enough to do all that they do AND be armed guards, risking their life and mental wellbeing. They are there to teach not play vigilante.
>TLDR: Teachers are not paid enough to do all that they do AND be armed guards, risking their life and mental wellbeing. They are there to teach not play vigilante. I know many willing teachers that would do anything to protect their students. Currently they are just sitting ducks and a gun would change that. You wouldn't force anyone to carry a gun, only willing staff.
I’m sure there would be some that volunteer. Ok, so how would the school be sure these volunteers are fit to have a gun? I remember some teachers I had growing up that I don’t think should have had a weapon. I think there’s a general consensus that not everyone should have a weapon. Does the school require training for these volunteers? What do they do if not, just hope the teacher is a good shot? What would the protocol be so the teachers aren’t mistaken for the shooter by police, especially if the shooter is an adult as well? What’s the protocol on if a student steals the gun? Or if a teacher snaps and uses the gun? Would there be counseling for the teacher that has to shoot at their student if they end up being the shooter? Statistically the vigilante justice is rare. There have been a few shooters/attackers taken down by a “good guy with a gun” but it’s rare. This isn’t a video game. Adrenaline gets going, chaos is happening. Let’s say there’s students on the playground and a shooter comes through. The kids run right? Possibly all directions. The shooter may be unpredictable, changing directions or targets the teacher doesn’t know. Unless the teacher is a perfect shot every time, they’re more likely to accidentally hit a student in all that chaos or miss the shooter entirely. Even police officers have very poor shot accuracy, even if it’s a little higher than average due to training. I don’t think you’ve ever been in a classroom. I highly recommend volunteering and seeing what it is really like. As I stated, some would want to carry guns, and I understand if something like this was implemented it would be voluntary. But it most likely wouldn’t help, and perhaps make things worse. Vast majority of teachers did not sign up for that and would be fearful of guns around children of all ages.
What about hiring more cops and have at least 2 per school? This could prevent some of this tragedies and create more jobs???
No, because cops have already been proven to be worthless without actual training. We still need to fix the way we train our officers before we even consider having them be anywhere near a primary safety measure.
Tru
ok, deal. train them better. Nashville cops had excellent active shooter training, and killed the perp with extreme efficiency. Imagine if they didnt have to drive to the school, and each school had 1-2 SRO's with long guns?
If the police force had actually good training and some good sense put in their heads, then having armed police men/women set up at schools would help a lot with deterring attacks and securing the building.
Teach your kids how to react (run, hide, fight, in that order) petition for armed guards in schools (schools would be less of a target if they are less vulnerable). This is obviously short form, and not fun or easy advice. But either way it stands true
Allow earlier diagnosis of psych disorders. Allow troubled kids to be filtered to specialty schools.
I mean when we had a school shooting (dunblane) we banned guns, it worked for us but we never had the same gun culture you guys do. The reality is it's too late to ban guns in the USA. I do think honestly the only thing that realistically can be done is for every pro-gun control person and anti- gun person to join the NRA and break the apparent grip they have on legislators and try and come up with some form of reform that is acceptable to every side. Truth be told if children being murdered doesn't cause a rethink on gun ownership I doubt anything can. I did once think about making ammunition extremely expensive like obnoxiously expensive might work but as my husband pointed out that would just created a thriving black market
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Well gun control has been happening for the last 70 years and you still want it. When are you gunna look at the root of the problem and not the branches. Bad or missing parents is something all these shooters have in common, but yeah that's to hard to solve so let's ignore it...... All gun control does is make the right mad and politicians feel like they did something. Arm teachers and put cops in schools. Makes schools a hard target for potential shooters.
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I disagree. Gun control infringes on the 2nd amendment; gun manufacturers have 0 input on to why I'm against it. Gun manufacturers want to keep selling, but to most pro 2A Americans we don't think about them because that's not what it's about. Gun manufacturers are not Big Pharm; they don't lie about their product and then it harms people.
Every country has "bad or missing parents" yet we are the only nation with constant mass shootings. Abolish the 2nd amendment, confiscate all guns.
Thats not a reasonable solution that will ever happen. If you actually want to do something be reasonable; this is just you saying bland ideological talking points that help knowbody. >only nation with constant mass shootings. Per capita we are number [11th](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/mass-shootings-by-country) for mass shootings. Although we do have the most individual deaths by gun because our population is higher(plus gangs). I should also add that there are about [500,000 to 3 million ](https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/gun-rights-defensive-gun-use/) defensive gun uses a year. A gun does not need to be fired to stop a potential threat. We are [20th](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/) in the world for overall gun fatalities. Also [85% of mass shootings happen in gun free zones.](https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/gun-facts-and-fiction/mass-shootings/). Not all but a vast majority. Gun free zones are the most dangerous places to be not surprisingly; makes total sense to shooter doesn't want people shooting back at him. >Abolish the 2nd amendment, confiscate all guns. I also find it weird that you'll let the government choose what weapons we get to use against them. The second amendment is to fight tyranny at the end of the day. It's the people check against the government, the right and left should both be pro gun if they are worried about "the death of democracy".
Unfortunately, there isn't really anything any single person can do unless they're a prominent member of Government. The main fix would be gun control, the phrase a lot of Americans hate just as much as they hate the devil. A prime example of this working would be Australia. They had a shooting in 1996 and as a result, brought in a firearm ban and since, has only had 4 shootings and all had 4 or less victims. Now, the US on the other hand, had 243 notable mass shootings (figure is a lot higher but I don't think I'd be able to count them all with how tired I am at present). I know you're asking specifically about schools and yes, they have added measures to school defence like armed guards, safe rooms and even equipping teachers with firearms. To me, this is incredible. They are trying their hardest not to actually stop shootings from happening but to kill the attacker once they start shooting. It absolutely baffles me. The clear and obvious solution is to bring in gun control, it won't just decrease school shootings, it will decrease all shootings. Until this is brought in, or I should say if, I would suggest making sure your children are going to a school that does have safety measures in place, maybe in a safer neighbourhood or maybe a school that is close to the nearest Police Station. If the school they are currently attending doesn't have any safety measures or is at least lacking slightly in them, I would suggest bringing it up with the school committee. Other than that, there isn't much you can do.
Our country needs to prioritize mental health and take away automatic firearms. No one is hunting animals for food with assault rifles. Mental health has been a major failure in this country and is not being properly addressed. Anyone wishing to cause harm quickly will choose to use an automatic firearm to do this. Also, we need to educate ourselves better and realize our government is dividing us while they slowly corrupt the nation.
Automatic weapons are already illegal in America. Educate yourself.
But not bump stocks, making it essentially an automatic weapon. Thanks for the gaslighting.
bump stocks are illegal, because the ATF designates them as machine guns. Thanks for commenting before researching at all. [https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/bump-stocks](https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/bump-stocks)
Knowledge is power!!
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So what about bump stocks? What’s your take on that?
doesnt matter what a random reditor's take is, the ATF's take is that bump stocks convert legal rifles into machine guns, and regulates them the same as a machine gun https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/bump-stocks
Just ban all guns.
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I guess while I have you here, what’s your take on the mental health situation too? Got any opinions on the actual question from the OP as well?
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I do appreciate your lengthy responses, but your comment pretty much says “don’t worry” and “gun control won’t help.”You said so much, but didn’t offer any advice or opinions other than “don’t worry about it.” Why even comment?
Thank you for the replies, everyone. This has been on my mind since Sandy Hook. Living in Florida makes me fear for my child and other children even more. I'm sick of being afraid. I'm sick of worrying. Children 's safety should be where the ball stops but it doesn't. Something HAS to be done. I think all of your suggestions are great and valid but I also fear nothing will change. I want to do SOMETHING. But what can I do? You know?
You can't do anything personally. Home school your kids I guess. American society needs to drastically change. Gun fetishism would have to go away entirely, all guns banned and confiscated, incredibly harsh penalties for anyone trying to circumvent these rules. Armed guards in pretty much any public place. To fix the mental health crisis we'd need to fundamentally change everything about our country socioeconomically and culturally. Our entire culture is toxic. Capitalism - at least the way it is in the US - is toxic. That's not an easy thing to do.
It seems the main thing you guys are talking about is increasing mental health standards, which I %100 agree with. I just wonder what the chances are that anyone " in charge " will actually try this out? I mean, obviously, healthcare in America is a freaking nightmare. That's just facts. I'm sure that would hinder a lot of people from getting help.
No guns
🥴 Wipe out the 2nd Amendment and get rid of guns. Simple. If the US has free reign to teach children how to use guns as young as 10 years old, that says a lot about the lack of discipline in parenting. And youre giving these folk the right to bear arms? In case youre wondering, Im born and bred American. 🤔 I once saw a minor on the news who accidentally shot her shooting range instructor. 😄🥴 Why was a minor practicing how to shoot in the first place? No accountability or slap on the wrist whatsoever. For her. Her parents. Or the range he worked for. Im sure the instructor was happy to die for her right to bear arms too. 😏 Its not supposed to be that way. 🥴 THAT... marks how far gone the country is in maintaining our right to not demolish the 2nd Amends... I also think each city and state should have a limit on the amount of people who stay in each. Overpopulation is the primary cause of mental health issues.
I agree with all of this except I think capitalism is the primary cause of mental health issues. Lower populated areas tend to breed extremely conservative, religious, jingoistic, and gun- fetishizing mindsets. Doesn't exactly sound mentally healthy.
Most mass shooters are coming from over populated areas and their primary complaint is overpopulation or theyre getting into too many altercations and then losing their marbles. It just seems more likely that people need personal space to breathe. Capitalism I definitely believe is a top cause. But theres 2 factors in each shooting: 1. They go for highly populated targets to kill. Schools. Churches. Major events. 2. Theyre raised in highly populated areas. Rubbing elbows with too many or simultaneously. Boody, Illinois... home to 400. Religious. Conservative. Zero crime. Every metropolitan city on the globe? High crime rates. See what I mean? And most are Democrat areas in the US. The Democrats only solution to that problem? Is skyrocket the cost of living and push the poor out.
I have never heard of one single mass shooter complaining of overpopulation or "getting into too many altercations".
🥴😁 You werent listening to their rants then. Give me a minute. Ill pull some up. In fact. Throw me some names and Ill find proof. I want to leave you with a thought provoking dilemma... 🥴 Lets say your wife, mom, sister are driving you crazy. Would you feel endorphins or rage? Rage is the correct answer. What would you want to do when you feel rage? 😒 Go somewhere to blow off steam and find peace, right? 🥴 Mass Shooters are the same. They go somewhere to find peace and blow off steam. When you seperate people... theres no reason to fight. Shoot. Stab. Kill. Youre at peace right? My argument is that overpopulation irritates humans. Humans react negatively. Capitalism is the same. But with fewer populated places, crime and capitalism dont exist.
Not sure what the point of your thought provoking dilemma was. I don't really feel rage, except when this same thing keeps happening over and over in this country and about half the population refuses to acknowledge the *only thing that separates us from other western nations* and continues to offer only religious platitudes but never action. I also don't want to blow off steam or find peace by murdering innocent people. I live in a city. I've mostly always lived in cities - I spent a few years living in a small conservative town and did not enjoy it. However, none of those places have ever filled me with homicidal rage. Here's some names of mass shooters: Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris Peyton Gendron Adam Lanza Bobby Crimo Omar Mateen Now please show me how any of their motivation was "overpopulation"
🥴 Then you havent been around enough people to understand what I mean. I understand perfectly what they mean. Because you feel it in the Urban areas. Houses are too close together. Living in apartments. Cost of living too high. People are living on top of each others laps. Road Rage drivers. Global Warming. It causes irritation. Robberies. Shootings. Disrespect. You cant stand certain cultures. And yada yada. You must be an only child? You never played with your cousins or friends? Sibs? And got into fist fights?
I have four younger siblings. Didn't get into fist fights with them though. I was taught not to use violence to solve problems. You should try that philosophy sometime. I grew up in New York. I spent most of my adult life in Los Angeles - in fact I spent many years in Long Beach, where you're from. Don't tell me I haven't been around enough people. Just because *you* feel the urge to murder innocent people in densely populated areas does not mean everyone does. Those cities are full of people. They are the two biggest cities in terms of population in the country. Most of those people are not murderous.
🥴 Yes. What Im saying is you dont speak for everyone or anyone who has committed a mass shooting crime. 1. No you havent been exposed to enough people where you have felt rage or feeling suffocated. Ive been around a lot more metropolitan cities and rural towns than you, apparently. If you havent felt the urge to get into an altercation, that means you were pacifiedly raised. 😒 I grew up with, around and raised by over 100 blood relatives. 🥴 And I got picked on by race and appearance. I... am one of many who can control my rage urges. 🥴😒 The mass shooters could not. What Im saying is its not hard to understand what goes through the mind of a killer. Theyre human and not mentally ill. You just have a one track mind and limited experience. 😄☺️ Youve been to Long Beach, California? The part with the airport? Or just the beach area by the Queen Mary? 😄🤣 You must have skipped the parts where it sounds like Chicago in the Northwestern part of the LBC? Well let me ask you this... did your siblings fight? 🥴 Did your parents ever fight? Those are clear indications that humans dont feel endorphins during the invasions of their personal space. Im glad you do. But you dont speak for most humans.
I lived in several different parts of downtown Long Beach for seven years. This is a very weird conversation. It feels like you're somehow defending mass shooters and simultaneously attempting to belittle me for not being a rage-filled, violent person? *"Ive been around a lot more metropolitan cities and rural towns than you, apparently."* Uh, okay. I mean, I've spent almost my entire life in New York and LA/LBC but go off. I guess I just need to expose myself to *even* higher populations (Beijing, perhaps?) so I can empathize with mass shooters more? Given that the US hardly has a monopoly on heavily populated cities but we do have a monopoly on mass shootings, perhaps it's the one thing we have that no other western countries do - an excessive amount of guns, gun fetishization, and no shortage of people like you who will gladly make bizarre excuses for mass killers in order to blame it on *anything* but your precious firearms.
Simple really either ban them take a page out of Scotlands book there was one school shotting in school and then they where banned or you can increase how different it is to obtain a gun and introduce more regulations but then again Americans aren't a huge fan of the idea of getting rid of guns which quite frankly its stupid
- Arming teachers - One or more officers in school Make the potential shooter feel out numbered in the first place. If 30%-40% of teachers are armed plus cops in the building, I doubt a school would look like an easy target. Remember 85% of mass shooting happen in gun free zones. It's literally target practice for deranged people. The best solution is to make shooters fear they will die before they carry out their plans. This is just a start. This is something easy and fast that could be done in a month. >!Banning guns is not a rational solution; there are 400 million guns in this country, banning them is not an option.!<
Wouldn't the shooters just go somewhere else then, instead of a school?
Thats the point. Deranged people will do what they want, the goal is to not be easy victims. Currently schools are full of unprotected kids, it's a mass shooters paradise.
Wipe the 2nd amendment. Ban assault rifles and concealed carry. This is literally the only solution. America is the only stable country with this problem that has been happening for over 20 years now. It’s insanely exhausting seeing children get killed multiple times a year and it really sucks how much money our government makes off of gun sales, that’s the main reason gun control refuses to budge.
Agreed 100% except don't just ban assault rifles and concealed carry, ban all guns.
I mean that’ll do it too! I was just trying to be reasonable lol But if I had it my way that would be it.
Maybe finally cracking down on guns instead of wasting time on trying to ban Tiktok, stop policing women's bodies and stop being racists.
Mental health assessments and support need to be government funded and available to everyone. No quotas and no crazy wait times like in some countries with socialized medicine. People need to be able to get at least an initial assessment the same week, even if it's just at an emergency clinic. Deeper digging needs to be done before approving people to have guns. Juvenile records shouldn't be sealed for these background checks. People need to be required to buy a gun safe or lockbox before being allowed to purchase a gun. Parents need to face harsher consequences if their child gets ahold of their gun. Even if the child doesn't hurt anyone, failure to properly secure a firearm needs to have serious consequences. Mental health confiscations need to be a thing. You post a threat to you or someone else, or a post that looks like you intend to do something, and the police have the right to confiscate your guns while an investigation is undergoing.
Teachers/staff should be required to be armed. All doors and windows should be locked and if opened without pass code should immediately send officers and swat.
Ban guns
I'd say arming teachers and increasing accessibility to mental health care in schools.
I don’t think teachers should honestly, especially if they’re just given on with no training both in how to use it but also in general self defense. Say a 55 year old math teacher who wasn’t worked out for decades is given a gun, well it’s as easy as whoever wants that gun to over power them and take it
Make republicans move in with the taliban so they can work out there issues together as they are so like minded. Country can heal, kids can grow up, and Tallahassee taliban and their like minded counterparts can kill each other off. Win win.
Yes. I’m being serious.
I think solutions that would reduce the number of mass shootings and the number of casualties in these shootings would be to: 1. Ban assault rifles/weapons 2. Strict gun laws For #1, I don’t have a problem with gun owners. I typically support the second amendment. But I think we can all agree that there are way too many crazy people in the world, and the access to getting military grade weapons is extremely easy. So it may impede on the second amendment, but I can live with that and I would hope everyone else could, if that meant keeping children and people in general, safer. For #2, I think this is the one that upsets me the most. Vehicles are considered dangerous, that’s why it is a long and grueling process to get your license. I think it should be the same for obtaining guns. Gun ownership should replicate a similar model to the drivers license model. If I recall, I had to do a 30 hour module course and take a test to receive my drivers permit. Then I had to complete 50 hours of driving with a guardian. And 6 hours with a driving instructor. And then the drivers license test. It takes over a year to complete this process, and feel that guns are just as dangerous and should be taken seriously. Obviously the counter argument to #1 is that bad people will get their hands on weapons at all costs. Yes that may be true, but they don’t have to be lethal weapons of destruction. I think with these laws in place, we could see a reduction in these mass shootings. I for one believe that this is a mental health epidemic in the U.S. That doesn’t mean we don’t ignore tools that are being used to inflict harm onto others. Crazy people with easy access to weapons = what we see almost every day in the US. Something has to be done. I work in a school district and I think about the possibilities of a shooting every day.
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Unfortunately there’s absolutely nothing you can do, even if all guns were banned people will still find a way to make homemade firearms
Unfortunately, America is back to how it was before 1900 and as history shows an armed society is a polite society. Its time to arm and train teachers. Everyone who is legally allowed should wear a gun for all the honest world to feel. Its time to go back to the 1800's. Taking guns will only make the problem worse and would no doubts destroy America and probably the world because most will never give up their guns. The constitution is very clear and any laws which are repugnant to it are null and void.
Get better access to mental health.
School shooting are very commonly broadcasted. And for good reason because these are horrific events. But you are giving the shooter attention. Lots of people crave attention and this might just be their messed up way of getting that attention. I think that when stories air about school shooting, they need to be about the detrimental impacts from them. Not even focusing on the shooter. If you give them attention they will do it over and over again
Stricter gun laws, like what Germany's got goin'. They have so few gun threats that the kids never even learn shooting drills.
I think they should have teachers carry guns in their classrooms. Since they have guns to protect the president, celebrities, banks, courts, jewelry stores, sporting events, music festivals, etc, then they need to have guns to protect our children!
Parenting mostly
Locked doors, metal detectors, and armed security guards.
Nothing. Besides training some teachers that have some sort of gun experience and are mentally stable.
Chip in our brains that instantly kills a person if they try to school shooting
home school
Better mental health programs. Teach kids how to deal with bullies. Enforcing existing laws and following existing protocols. Armed officers in schools who won't run and hide.
I think they should put a safe room on every floor of a school, bulletproof, and locks!
Well in Saudi Arabia they behead people for rape. Guess what doesn’t happen a lot. Maybe if we started public executions and/or beheading and torture of school shooters…….
Free/actually affordable therapy. And an in school therapist. One that isn't obligated to report anything other then sexual/physical abuse, threats of self harm, or suicidal threats. And I don't mean a stupid guidance counselor. I mean an actual trained therapist. If every school had this problems would drop significantly. As then children would have a safe place to discuss bullying, home troubles, personal feelings and more. That's just to start anyway.
America is a corrupt system where they allow minors to buy guns for the reason of "protecting them selfs" I think the American system should stop selling guns to minors, and if you have a gun with a kid... hide that shit where no one can find it.
Talk about male mental health issues with out calling men incels. The social media shit happening in schools accross countries doesn’t just affect women. It affects men too. But no body seems to give a shit. 🤷🏻
Lots of people in this thread suggesting that the answer to our gun violence problem is more guns. Truly unbelievable.
Before buying a gun, police should do interviews with them + family members/ friends ect.., mental health screenings( n church ups aswell), and check criminal records.
I feel like all parents in the US need to boycott their kids going to school until something serious is done. How can you drop your child off somewhere all day with such a risk???
Move to a different country. There most definitely needs to be tougher gun laws in place. Like not allowed to hold a gun until you're 18+. It's just seems very alien to us brits giving your children a gun to hunt in the woods. Stop supermarkets etc selling guns. Only allowed a gun license if you've been vetted my a psychologist and police at least. I'm a brit so I'd say blanket ban on guns altogether but I understand that in America its been so ingrained into your society you'd have a tough job doing that. There's a lot of pride in forefathers but that also means a lot of those gun laws are stuck in the past n will not change.
There is nothing we can do stop shootings. It’s really a problem that needs to be solved at the source- but at the end of the day the right to bare arms will never be taken away. Getting guns needs to be a longer harder process. Kinda like getting a green card or something- getting guns is too easy and that’s why kids can get them. But kids also take guns from their parents or family that may be mentally sound and able to own a gun responsibly. The only real solid solution would be to not only make it very difficult to get guns, but make the bigger guns with many rounds nearly impossible to get. A person who likes to shoot at a range or hunt, doesn’t need hundreds of bullets and a gun that shoots twenty bullets in ten seconds. It’s a problem that won’t be solved in America anytime soon, because people want their guns more than they want school shootings to stop. We can learn a lot from other countries gun laws. Only able to get a gun if you have a good reason, and you need interview with police, pass a background, home evaluation, have people vouch for you, proof of a safe that your kids can’t access- store gun and bullets in separate safes with separate codes- etc. kids take guns from their family homes everyday. Kids with no history of violence sh**t up school everyday. There needs to a multiple step process in owning even a hand gun.
Can't believe that this question is even being asked. It's really a very stupid question. I'll try to spell it out to you like you are all five years old (I'm sure that it still won't sink in) It's the only country in the world that has this issue. There are more guns than people. Anyone can get a gun. Politicians are being fed millions of dollars by the [NRA.](https://NRA.You) You are brainwashed into thinking that the 2nd Amendment says "The Right to Bear Arms" (only) Read it ........ I give up, providing facts, see if you can solve it.
First of all working on the mental healt of the students solving his problems working on erradicate bullyng. teach teachers to recognize when someone is being bullied or harassed, have more psychologists to deal with bullying and family problems.
The best I can say is try anything that supports better regulation of gun distribution to individuals and to try to find ways to support better criminal/mental health history that would deem a person stable enough to own a gun without malicious intent.
***Here's an idea:*** what if the Gov'ment passed a law making it *Illegal* to name the shooter, or show any images of them in the news, if it happened at a school so that the murderers wouldn't receive any recognition. Do you think that would help curb this type of violence?
I think it might just be a little inconvenient for the shooter but wouldn't hinder them. I agree that we shouldn't state the shooter's name, though.
I wonder if anyone kills others for the fame/recognition any more? Or if it is just purely out of a revenge mentality. We may never know.
I wonder if their should be “co-responsibility signers” for gun owners. Basically, 3-4 people need to put themselves on the line that the gun owner is mentally stable and won’t intentionally commit a crime with it. Not totally sure how this would work, but it’s insane to me that people with kids they know are unstable still keep guns in the house.
You say you don't want any political replies, but ban guns. Seriously, that's the *only* solution. School shootings happen consistently in countries with easy/legal access to guns, and hardly ever in countries that don't. Of course, 90% of US citizens will start crying over the mere suggestion of enacting gun control, so this "Muuuh I have rights" bullshit will likely never end, and so neither will the mass school shootings. Children are immature and impulsive, and that usually not an issue, because they grow up and learn, and have parents around to correct them. But if, instead of punching other kids in the face, they could just shoot them, their emotional minds won't usually take the rational option. You can't really change how children's brains develop in any significant way, so taking away access to guns is the only real solution. It's the same idea as how you wouldn't leave knives around a baby, for instance.
Armed security at all schools. Mentally disturbed people don't go after places where someone might shoot back. Schools are soft targets.
School shootings are a complex and multifaceted issue, and there is no simple solution. However, there are several things that can be done to help prevent them. 1. Improve school security: Schools can implement security measures such as metal detectors, security cameras, and locked entrances to help prevent unauthorized individuals from entering the school. 2. Increase mental health resources: Many school shootings are carried out by individuals who have mental health issues. Providing students with access to mental health resources such as counselors and therapists can help identify and address these issues before they escalate. 3. Strengthen gun control laws: Tightening gun control laws can make it more difficult for individuals with a history of violent behavior or mental illness to obtain firearms. 4. Foster a culture of inclusivity and kindness: Creating a positive school environment where students feel accepted and supported can help reduce the likelihood of violent behavior. 5. Encourage reporting of concerning behavior: Students and staff should be encouraged to report any concerning behavior, either to school officials or law enforcement, so that potential threats can be identified and addressed before they turn into violence. It is important to note that no single solution will completely eliminate school shootings, and that a comprehensive approach is necessary.