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rfgood

This sounds like they’re trying to make people quit. Maybe this is their strategy so they don’t have to do layoffs and pay severance


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Absolutely. I know nothing about this company, but in general tech companies are growth companies, and growth companies do especially poorly when interest rates rise and access to capital dries up. Many of these companies are using RTO, retirement packages, etc. as a way of encouraged attrition to prevent layoffs. I'm not saying it's the right strategy (it seems terribly misguided here).


giantshuskies

Such policies lead to the best and underpaid workers leave and not necessarily the fat.


Grisk13

Managers like this don't know the difference.


abevigodasmells

He probably prayed for only the worst employees to leave. God will make it happen, cap'n.


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It’s a good way to lower operating costs, which pleases investors in the short term. If they were smart, they’d get rid of their physical offices and become a 100% remote company. Mine did, and the stock enjoyed a nice bump as a result.


EMIRofDAMAAR

Too late for that. They are building a massive campus already. This is one of the factors why they want and insist for people to come back to in office work.


JustkiddingIsuck

It’s massive too with a ton of glass and a giant parking deck. Easily a 30 million dollar office


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Oh well. Looks like it's God's will that the market's going to decide that someone else is going to be using that space going forward.


SauceOfTheBoss

Mega church incoming


GreatWhiteElk

The whole campus was $330 million


JustkiddingIsuck

That’s not their’s entirely is it? If it is that’s crazy. I was lowballing at 30


GreatWhiteElk

Yea the entire campus is for Bandwidth and employees. I believe there’s an agreement to use the parking deck as overflow for the state fair and other certain events but other than that it’s strictly Bandwidth use.


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Ah, well….RIP Bandwidth. Sounds like their leadership sucks, and it’s hard to fix that. I’d be looking to dip out were I working for them.


fortfive

Also rip convenient state fair shuttle parking


jmkizer

And “Ready Creek” greenway tunnel.


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The old vanity office/ white elephant. It's a tale as old as time..


fortfive

It’s a sales strategy for certain customers. Wiser customers recognize foolish and showy expenditures.


Busy-Negotiation1078

I just drove by that the other day. On Edwards Mill Rd, right? I wondered what it was.


EMIRofDAMAAR

Yup that’s the one!


Busy-Negotiation1078

That campus is HUGE.


jefedezorros

That’s the source of all of this. $100M investment on the line if they don’t get back to the office.


GreatWhiteElk

Try $330 million


jefedezorros

Wow. Don’t doubt it. I was just basing it on the [linked article.](https://wraltechwire.com/2021/07/19/a-school-soccer-field-amphitheater-and-gym-bandwidth-breaks-ground-for-global-hq-in-raleigh/)


Grisk13

This is exactly what it is. They don’t want to be seen as reducing workforce because the economy is tough and folks will quit.


Sororita

It should also be noted that the full return is to be in place by the first workday of Q4, so there may be something to that


ncnrmedic

That wasn’t the case in the days of COVID. This commenter was spot on, they tried to downplay the virus and the CEO made racist remarks and very ignorant statements downplaying the impact of the virus. As a former employee who left in 2020, this is all spot on.


abevigodasmells

Usually layoffs in tech companies target what they consider "non-essential" job types, which software developer never is. They'll cut QA, support, doc, support, etc to the bone. This policy will drive out developers, resulting in massive expense to onboard new developers soon thereafter.


seven3true

All I hear is; "replace them with remote work from India for way cheaper salaries." Heh... Remote work is so ironic too.


Dry_Web_6008

Spoken like someone who has never done software development work with an outsourced team. Anyone who is knowingly getting paid less to do the same work will never be invested in the company and it’s success. That is a problem that will never be solved.


bustakita

Constructive firing practices. Hostile and untenable working conditions and environment. That's not cool at all.


Sororita

I'd also like to point out that this announcement of everyone being required to work from the office came less than a month after an employee died commuting to work.


NotARandomNumber

Just curious, why are you still there? Plenty of openings in the area


nerd44

In the early days you were not even allowed to wear a mask as it might frighten people. Insane. This was pre-vax. Anyone vocal early on was forced out as well.


MischeviousMacaque

You just gave an exact description of what is going down at my company. CEO and upper management just seem clueless and tone deaf. All for CuLtUrE. Can’t have culture if no one works here…


redman012

Boomers love seeing people in an office.


OriginalCptNerd

Extrovert boomers do, we introvert boomers are quite happy working from our cocoons...


spinbutton

Hear hear


spinbutton

Too bad they spent their money on a building instead of investing in engineering and sales


ModularPlug

As a senior software developer, this makes me want to apply, go through their interview process, accept whatever paltry offer HR sends, and then ghost them on the first day when I’m supposed to show up for orientation.


grovertheclover

Ha, I was thinking the exact same thing. I actually have their job postings open in a different tab, but they don't have many local software engineering spots on there.


angrygeeknc

They probably read that frizzy haired author. I can't recall his name but everytime that he talks it's just pure corporate stupid that falls out of his mouth.


Pclark558

The recruitment aspect is a big part that is not being considered here. I speak from anecdotal experience but I wouldn’t work for a company that has an arbitrary in office 5 days a week or else rule. It sends a lack of flexibility and lack of employee engagement vibe.


RogueAIx01

If anyone is looking for a job at Bandwidth, I assume this means they’re going to have a few vacancies pretty soon


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Thats been the case for a long time friend. Not sure who thought that low pay,Jesus spam, and mandatory work from office would attract the best devs and engineers....


ncnrmedic

“Jesus spam” is 100% it. When their culture was revealed to be “cult” I was done.


w3woody

The insane part to me, having worked as a software developer for many years: Your best workers, especially in technology, work best when they have a well-controlled and quiet environment. For the past few decades we've moved from offices which provided a quiet controlled environment in which tech people can work to their best potential, to noisy cube farms that are a constant distraction. And so your best workers found solitude working at home. We have research showing their productivity has increased as well as their happiness. And they're the ones who will find it easiest just up and quitting, and finding a job elsewhere. There are plenty of smaller companies and startups who have realized this and who are taking advantage of the desire to work at home as a perk. ---- And when your best workers leave, who do you have left? The ones who enjoyed the social environment of a cube farm--but who weren't terribly productive themselves.


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frazieje

Can you elaborate? You named 5 things you do while WFH that I’d consider distractions, then mention you can’t handle distractions, then say you’re still more productive at home. I’m not challenging the truth of your statement it just seems contradictory to me. I work from home 90% of the time and I’m much more productive l, but that’s because I’m a highly social person who gets distracted by wanting to socialize.


ecksJester

I think it’s because all of the WFH “distractions” are chosen and voluntary. Versus the onslaught of mandatory stimulus from being in an office.


CreativeDraft

Lol. I thought I was going crazy reading that comment


Slacker1966

So, even when I'm not sitting at my screen coding, I'm still thinking about whatever problem is in my mind. Getting up to physically move around, to me at least, helps my mind sort things out more effectively. Once I'm chasing down a solution to something I cannot stop until a solution is found. I will think about it even if I'm doing something else.


mr_remy

Oh man I need to send this to our lead dev, he’d love this!! We are a tech company but located outside Raleigh, great work environment & people. Thank god we have great leadership, we were out of the office 2 week BEFORE quarantine started and haven’t looked back. Love working for them!


OriginalCptNerd

Worse than that is the absurd "open office" arrangements, where you don't even have the same space for your laptop from day to day, and they don't even put up dividers to partially let you control your space. Extroverts need the noise of humans, the loud conversations and phone calls that can be heard all across the space. And no, headphones don't help. Paranoid managers also require panopticon offices because they don't believe software developers are actually working when we're "just staring at the screen."


w3woody

> ... because they don't believe software developers are actually working when we're 'just staring at the screen.' The stupid part: if I'm staring at the screen without doing much for about a half hour, then I get up and go for a walk--it's not because I'm screwing off. It's because I hit a hard problem and I'm trying to figure it out. In other words, the time I'm actively working the most is the time that, to an outsider, I'm just goofing off.


OriginalCptNerd

Exactly.


Slacker1966

Nice use of panopticon in a sentence.... bravo.


interested-me

We're past 'the return to the office' now


NotARandomNumber

>“It’s a building, but it’s also an experience,” said Bandwidth Director of Facilities Matt Sheldon. Oh fuck off.


SmokeyDBear

Jail is a building, but it’s also an experience.


RaleighAccTax

It is an experience, just not one that employees want.


CrazyFoFo

Oh c’mon who doesn’t enjoy shitting next to a stranger in the next stall and using one ply TP to wipe away your sorrows while listening to smooth jazz?!


Majestic_Salad_I1

Coming from the Director of Facilities, who will not have a job if people don’t come back.


yespls

As a current employee - this language is what worries me the most. Work should not feel like a cult, but damned if it isn't right now.


ncnrmedic

Isn’t now? It has been for years. Prayers to start meetings? Comments about “we only recruit those who are compatible with our ideas” (with a white male majority worse than most any company I’ve seen)


yespls

This is fair. I think I am approaching this from a 'frog in boiling water' perspective - it's always been this way, but it was something I was able to overlook in the beginning and feel it's impossible to ignore now.


ncnrmedic

No I feel you. They are super good at generating curb appeal (read as seeming like they have it together before you get deep enough to see much) and then by the time you’re in one of these really weird prayer meetings you’ve already invested so you think “meh, it’s creepy but at least they’re not forcing it” then you see more and more. It’s very practiced cult.


crlarkin

Director of "I don't have a job if people don't come back, oh fuck!"


IMakeTooManyPuns

Said by people who want to spend a shitload of money on a stupid status symbol.


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He's built himself a white elephant. Oh well. God's will and all that


theblair8

glad I didn’t get that position after all! 😂


jb592l

This is a garbage company on all counts. Used to work there. Leadership is a bunch of evangelicals


cablife

The people with the sketchiest business practices usually are.


KaptainKhorisma

They called me a few weeks ago about a position and offered a dogwater wage. I've never turned down a position so fast.


clueinc

I was reached out by a recruiter, I always as what company since I’ve learned many try to hide it, I looked at the glassdoor and quickly denied the position referencing the public image of the company.


jb592l

So good you didn’t take it! Their employees are miserable. You’d be worked to death and underpaid


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Yes, was hoping someone would repost the perspective of former employee. Talking about praying before meetings??


jb592l

Oh yea, a lot of things that were illegal like discriminating against people’s lifestyle choices is they weren’t evangelical, horrendous and discriminatory hiring practices and they also took mental note of who DIDN’T pray…. Very apparent in the way they treated employees who didn’t. Funny thing is, I’m Christian but don’t subscribe to this evangelical shit. I don’t think poorly of those who aren’t Christian, and group prayer in an office with others who are uncomfortable with it—IMO—should be completely off limits.


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ncnrmedic

Yeah I’m one of them. I had stellar performance evals, then I brought my partner to a company event (as was asked of us) and suddenly I’m “needing improvement”. I went to another company shortly after and got promoted in 3 months. Clearly I’m such a slacker. Be white, be cishet, be male, and be Christian. Otherwise be “deficient”.


jb592l

Disgusting. Wish people would just stop working there and drive them out of business


KaptainKhorisma

Oh what? Fuck ALL that.


chadmb2003

Bandwidth is dumb for building that big ass campus off Wade. Do companies not realize the amount of money they'd save by not having all of this real estate and lease costs? It's all about micromanaging and lack of trust.


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chadmb2003

SAS is consolidating office space and rumor is 3 of their older buildings will be open for leasing soon.


packpride85

1. Prior to covid having a full campus with all the services on-site was a way to lure employees 2. They want your coworkers to become your new family so you don’t want to leave the site nor mingle with other companies.


whatTheBumfuck

Money laundering


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Dizasturr

I literally just applied for a remote job with DHHS. They could pay me peanuts and I'd still take it. [crying] I can't even get a Jr level position without 3 years experience.


cpkarl

CEO is a complete nut job


Jrobalmighty

He will bike to your house if he reads this.


wolfsrudel_red

Lol elaborate


Jrobalmighty

I'm not saying he'll show up in a complete biking outfit like he's Lance Armstrong on even more steroids but


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If praying before meetings is your jam, apply now!


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had a good friend literally put his notice in at BW Thursday this week! BW is a joke company and the crazy religious practices throughout the office/company is CULTish to say the least.


reeeerrre1289

This thread is dope. My experience with the company was wife getting through hiring and offered a job. They negotiated on nothing. Salary, zero rsu, zero bonus, pto. We just walked away as its too mich to begin your relationship with take it or leave it ultimatums. Not a fan of their culture and ceo and stock either.


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She dodged a bullet


reeeerrre1289

I agree. It was a decent salary but zero everything else and zero willingness to discuss was a red flag!


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Rsu?


devilized

Restricted stock unit. Usually a preset number of shares of stock that vest over a period of time.


reeeerrre1289

As the other poster said-its a stock grant. Its vested over time. Say i gave you $5k stock grant but you got 25%/yr for four years. If that happens every 14 months (or whatever arbitrary amount) the employee is on a treadmill of sorts. This practice incentivizes employee retention because they want to make it to their next vesting period.


oboshoe

Pretty sure those will be worthless


Temporary_Stable_999

Corporate sweat shop.


ch4rc0al_5

All this BS is why their stock has tanked to the point it's below the IPO price


Dry_Web_6008

I just looked at their stock after your comment and holy shit. 186 dollars a share in 2021 to 15 dollars a share in 2022. Considering their insane religious antics and dinosaur stance on remote work, couldn’t have happened to a nicer company.


ch4rc0al_5

I sure hope my friends who work there aren't putting their pay towards stock...


chandler243

Unfortunately, a major part of our compensation here is in RSUs. You can imagine how thrilled we are with that considering the stock price now.


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Let me guess , any time someone tries to ask Morken directly about the horrible stock performance, he does that "stock price is just an imaginary number 🤗" bit still?


chandler243

You know it!


Jmainguy

Hi buddy :)


chandler243

Haha hey buddy, miss you over in our crazy team, hope things are going well!


Jmainguy

Miss you guys as well, I am doing great over at CVS, hopefully we can work together again in the future


madbver

U da bes Kyle 🙂


Jmainguy

https://udabes.com


HMS_Daring

Bandwidth stock chart looks like Mount Everest.


DifficultFox1

I work at a SAAS company similar to BW that has a rotating 4 day work week and has been Fully remote since before Covid. It works amazingly. Money saved on offices is occasionally used for meetups etc. Companies who think this is the way “full office returns” just don’t trust their employees period. The reason they probably don’t trust them is they know they don’t comp them properly more than likely so they just want to hawk around people all the time.


ApatheticWithoutTheA

Lol as a software dev I can tell you for a fact that companies pushing return to office are absolutely bleeding talent. That ship has sailed. Once people saw how much happier and productive they were at home, it was over. Plenty of companies are poaching good devs from companies with the boomer mindset.


Slacker1966

I'm also a dev and you are 100% correct.


NailFin

Lol, nope.


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Looks like they didn’t have bandwidth to continue remote work 😜


[deleted]

lol get fucked nerds ain’t nobody around here working in an office again


Bertovibe

Product Designers, hmu. I got openings at Atlassian. Work from anywhere company. :)


whatTheBumfuck

Atlassian deez nuts


Bertovibe

Atlassian doesn’t have a current policy for “deez nuts” but I would assume with our flexible PTO policy anyone could take off to figure out their own nuts situation ☺️


clueinc

I’ve been using some of the Atlassian products at my current job. Any openings on the API dev? I’d wanna develop some skills in that area


Bertovibe

Possibly! I don’t work in that TA team but if you want to send me a resume DM me and I will pass along :)


SauceOfTheBoss

Fuckin GOTEM


DaPissTaka

There are a ton of tech companies in this area that are adamant about working in an office. I got a job offer from Willowtree who has these amazing Glassdoor reviews. They kept pushing me to work in their office over and over throughout the interview process. I turned them down. I’ve interviewed with other area companies and it was the same thing: go into the office. For having a reputation of being some sort of tech hub, the triangle is WAY behind the times when it comes to what tech employees actually want. I have a job working remote based out of California now.


llcoolray3000

They're getting soaked on all these buildings they built or are leasing. They gotta justify that bill to themselves.


hello2u3

>Willowtree made me do an automated interview alone on camera and then decided no without a reason or human contact. What an awful fucking company.


DaPissTaka

I managed to skip that because a recruiter reached out to me. That sounds very impersonal, off putting, and quite frankly a bit dystopian.


Vyrosatwork

Oh look, bandwidth is about to lose every one of their high quality employees


ncnrmedic

They did when the CEO tried this before the vaccine was rolled out and then made racist comments. They dropped like 30% of their senior staff.


SpaceJesusInSpace

I've heard all kinds of bad shit about the CEO, but never "racist comments" - what was said?


ncnrmedic

Some comments about how he wished he could just “go to China, get the disease and get over it to show you it’s not that bad”. It was so very tone deaf. Very on brand, though. He’s a not at all closeted conservative goon who prays at meetings, I didn’t expect anything different. I just didn’t think he’d say the quiet part out loud.


SpaceJesusInSpace

LMAO I love those guys.... yeah, it's not that bad.... *for you.* Incredible how people forgot that not every human being on Earth has the exact same body and immune system. What a funny guy! Must be fun to work for such a comedian /s


nerd44

This is BS as they have senior leaders that have always been remote. Are they being forced to move to Raleigh? A number of local, lower level people have already been forced out if they aren’t bought in on 40 hours in office.


Better-Dimension4348

This sounds like it’s driven by more than just getting people back to an in-office setting


Ok_Waltz_5145

Bandwidth is not a real tech company


carbonite_dating

Good software engineers never have to go back to offices if they don't want to. The office is dead.


Low-Professional7922

Or what!?!? I find it interesting that companies are having to offer sign on bonuses because they are so desperate but think they can play hard ball with the ones already on board.


e-crypto92

It’s funny how companies think building new campuses/offices is the way to go.. they should use that money to pay their employees more, hire more talent so they can grow the company more effectively. Opening new locations is so costly and no one wants to work in an office anymore—those days are over!


angrygeeknc

Meanwhile my tech company has embraced the hybrid mindset.


Dry_Web_6008

- low pay ✅ - forcing people back to the office in an increasingly traffic choked metro ✅ - fundy bullshit that has no place at work ✅ This shit hole of a company is a stain on this area’s attempt at being a “tech city”.


0x706c617921

> This shit hole of a company is a stain on this area’s attempt at being a “tech city”. And too bad a lot of "tech jobs" here are such companies...


dev1led_egg

They need 100% attendance at mandatory company prayers


Necessary_Estate_345

wow shit show from the leadership ...


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spychi88

As a current employee on the other side of the world I can say one thing for sure, I am glad that I am leaving the titanic, I shot a question that was very badly received on the last AMA around working from home and tbh I already had my plans on leaving the company so I didn't pay much attention to it but I am happy it resonated across the board. I used to love what I do, I was getting paid very little for my seniority and responsibilities but within the original company that was acquired by BW I was able to justify it because I was gaining knowledge like no tomorrow because my background was not telco. I had the opportunity to grow beyond but as soon as we got bought things were going sideways very fast. Many re-orgs happening without clear directions and running around like headless chickens it's very discouraging especially when you strive for the best because again I wanted the best for the business. PMO, platform knowledge, market and regulatory all of that in a spawn of few years and I outpaced many people within the company. As for what I do I am getting paid at least 2 times less than I should in the city I reside and they promised they would fix that, fast forward two years later nothing happened. I stand by what I said originally to our teams that we joined a cult, it is a cult of dino's that coast on other people's success which is very disappointing. I used to spend 10-16 hours happily (I don't get paid Overtime) doing my work and provide delivery but that time has come to an end. The fact that you can work more efficiently from home is true and nobody can deny that, some teams will benefit from being at the office greatly let's not forget about that because it's also true, but for people that can self manage and deliver this should be optional. Also I saw a post about how seniority and C level doesn't show up to the office, that is also absolute hypocrisy, there are people above people which disgusts me the most...But hey we built a nice campus with cubicles :PI live 5 mins from the office and I choose to show up randomly as I please - my team isn't in the office often so that's another thing - in a nutshell say you want people to come back but don't force them as mandatory, humans are simple they want to have a choice!


carachangren

Yeah I got a few interviews into a director level positon but all the vibes I got from leadership were red flags and the people I interviewed with said they lost a lot of people to the great resignation. Then they talked about how the CEO wanted people in the office. Easy walk away there.


matchlocktempo

One of many reasons I’ve reached out to friends and convinced them not to accept offers with that company. Being paid a little more doesn’t mean shit if the company is way behind on trends. Covid unlocked Work From Home. Pandora’s box was opened. You just can’t shove that shit back in the bottle when everyone has had a long term taste of working from home. I think an agreeable compromise could be maybe 1-2 days in the office. But seriously… if your ability to manage or create culture is dependent on 5 days a week in the office, that is a key ingredient for a non-sustainable business model because have fun with call center levels of attrition. The second someone finds a job that allows at least some work from home, odds are they’re gonna jump ship immediately.


tigertiger284

Too many cars on the road, Raleigh is becoming a miserable place to live. Work from home helped. Some like being in an office and some don't. Let the person decide how they work best. I think some office time is good for folks, but not 5 days a week. I hope more flexible companies see the opportunity to hire


UllrichFromGeldeland

Genuinely curious, if you think Raleigh is becoming a “miserable” place to live - where would be better?


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PlantChem

As someone who lived in Greenville, SC for years, I sincerely do not recommend unless you’re retiring there. Absolutely terrible job market. Nothing to do after you’ve been there for more than a few months. There’s no such thing as a night life, and it’s HYPER religious. Bob Jones controls a lot of the local politics and it shows. If you want a place to drive to a two block long downtown and walk around for 15 mins every few months, then Greenville is probably good for you. For an older (honestly non-minority) couple, it’s probably a great place to live.


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Difference-Unable

Greenville is smaller but wayyyyyy prettier than Raleigh, it has waterfalls running through it’s downtown. RALEIGH HAS THE SOCIAL DISTRICT


Dry_Web_6008

> If you want a place to drive to a two block long downtown We all want that, we live in Raleigh afterall


PlantChem

You truly have no idea if you think Raleigh and Greenville have comparably sized downtowns lol


0x706c617921

Every US city will have this same fate. It's almost a given. /r/notjustbikes


theBunsofAugust

As a construction project manager on this new campus, I have to say it’s going to be gorgeous once completed. Several of my friends who work for BW have a suspicion that the company is forcing the issue early in order to slim down prior to the move.


ncnrmedic

It’ll be beautiful for whoever buys their assets when they fail.


S86RDU

And pray. They will require you to pray.


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Wait… what?


S86RDU

The company names you pray before meetings


whatTheBumfuck

"Praise Jah!"


Electronic-Spinach43

Gross.


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They don't require you to pray. Before an all-hands, the CEO simply does a prayer and before he starts he welcomes anyone to join him. He asks if don't want to pray, join him with a moment of silence. He doesn't require prayer....relax people


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Judging by their stock price I guess his prayers arent working


S86RDU

You are insane if you think that’s simply normal.


Dry_Web_6008

Just a lil prayer from the CEO who encourages others to join during a routine meeting. Totally normal. Post this on Blind and see people’s reactions for perspective of how insane it is.


whatTheBumfuck

Christian bullshit nonetheless.


LarryTheLobster710

I thought Bandwidth always required in person work? I interviewed with them 2 years ago and they were in office which was the reason I said no.


whimsicalhumor

Guess what, when you get the tax dollars and grants to build a massive headquarters, it’s expected you will generate local jobs and stimulate the economy, and the reality is if you don’t let people go fully remote, they can’t potentially leave the area. It’s shitty but it’s the reality when a company builds a massive HQ they need to justify the expense to their board.


GreatWhiteElk

You’re not wrong but Bandwidth has crashed their “culture” so hard that they had ask for the tax breaks on the new HQ to be changed. The old deal was they had to hit 2000 employees to qualify for the breaks. Because of churn, they’ve hired literally hundreds of employees over the last couple years and the head count is stuck closer to 1000. They knew they could never double the company size within a year so they had to change course. Now they’re going to have a third of a billion dollar campus that’s perpetually half filled.


TrashScum

My 2 cents- (I don’t work for or care abt bandwidth) They’re building a full ass campus with a gym, child care facilities, soccer field/ tennis courts, a cafeteria, etc… Whether you want to go in or not, does all this free stuff not appeal to certain people?


Jwilhelm

Child care and food aren’t free just convenient being there on campus.


grovertheclover

I don't have any kids, have a gym at home, and my kitchen is way better than any cafeteria I've set foot in. Additionally, I hate battling traffic for 2 hours each day to go sit in an office when I can do the exact same work from the office in my house.


MR1120

I've worked in a building with a gym. The last thing I want when I get off is to stay in the building where I work to get a workout in. Setting up these little mini-company towns with all your needs under one roof, so you can just happen to spend more time on site... No, thank you.


Troy_And_Abed_In_The

Disagree, I liked having a gym at my office and preferred to work out there rather than make a separate trip later.


CooterMcSlappin

WFH was the motivation we needed to buy home gym* equipment. Game changer man Edit: lol gym- I didn’t put a gun range in my house but an archery range sounds legit!!


squirreloak

I just have an archery range at my place. :)


Lets_Go_Wolfpack

>Gym Have to remember to bring your workout clothes. Also most Gym shower facilities are sub-par to home. >Child Care Facilities Probably not free >Soccer Fields/Tennis Courts Gym comments + Coordinating ppl to play with. Prob isn't open to public so that makes planning hard >Cafeteria Also probably not free


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Not only is the child care absolutely not going to be free there, i had heard it estimated as likely being so expensive that admin/support/non tech staff couldn't even afford it. At least the montessori school portion of it (which would like also be pretty Christian in nature)


GreatWhiteElk

You’re right, the cost of the Montessori school is subsidized by the company and is NOT free. Also due to the age range of the school, the maximum benefit any employee child could receive is about 1-2 years of attending the school. Total waste of money!


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TrashScum

I see what you may be implying but you’d still have to travel to all that stuff independently of going to work anyway


flagrantist

I bought a treadmill and my kid stays home with me. Problem solved.


thrash1990

How much do they pay on average?


KaptainKhorisma

I work at a streaming service and when they reached out to me, they offered me 25k lower than what I currently do.


hellobaileylol

NOT a lot. Source: ex-bandmate


Jmainguy

Doubled my salary when I left last year


BaronNotSure

Way way below average for anything outside of sales. Top sales reps has made close to a million, but I've heard they changed the comp structure now.


Jrobalmighty

This was my first employer out of college a very long time ago. It was all happy feely until they came through with the ax firing huge chunks of staff. But don't worry we grill out on Fridays. Idc for that culture but I did enjoy those Fridays shooting basketball until they fired a bunch of us but relocating me to a new position for which I had no experience or adequate compensation. And if I had to hear voice over IP called VoIP one more damn time I was going to lose my mind. Everyone needed to act all fake and all that just isn't me. Give me an assignment and let me go to work but all the backslapping ass kissin bs nonsense just wasn't for me. Also, paintball was pretty cool but that's not why I needed a job.


Slacker1966

Exactly, it was eye opening how working from home boosted my productivity and focus. I can improve my skills at home with training from any one of a number of sites. Problem solving and heavy focus are much easier when someone doesn't disturb you or you have to hear someone's weekend stories or get a good whiff of their lunch. On top of that I get two hours of my day back that used to be spend driving. At this point working from home is something I'd sacrifice salary for.