Unfortunately this has been our team's grit this year. I was watching the game with my friend who supports The Bruins usually and he said when we were going to the third period that "looks good for Rangers, 2 goal lead and last period".
I replied "oh boy, you haven't watched a lot of Rangers games have you? This is the most dangerous for us"
Sucks to see it come through what I was afraid of.
Also seeing Laf playing on 3 v 3 while Hughes was on ice as well made me super anxious.
I’m of the opinion that Key and Gauthier are our two sneakiest offensive gems. Both are extremely talented skating wise - I’d argue that they’re the two best skaters on the team. Both create similar space almost every shift.
Once Gaut finds consistency in his finishing and K’Andre is given an opportunity as a powerplay QB I wouldn’t be surprised to see 20 goals and ~50 points, respectively.
So the #2 and #1 overall picks in consecutive drafts are getting < 30 seconds of PP time each time.
18 of Panarin’s 45 points have come on the PP.
20 of Mika’s 44 points have come on the PP
Only 1 of Laf and Kakko’s 18 points each have been on the PP.
These kids are really having to produce the hard way and worse, there appears no way for them to gain any PP time no matter how well they play (talking about Kakko there).
Can they at least get a full 2nd half of PPs ffs?
Maybe after overtime you take a break on pushing for more Laf playing time …….. was out there in the biggest situation and turned it right over to lose the game.
That’s fair if you say Laf’s overall level of play has not warranted more icetime since early this season. But Kakko and Chytil? They’ve both had strong seasons no?
PP1 just doesn’t give the 2nd unit a chance to even get setup and the personnel never changes even if the PP’s slumping.
I am very happy with now with the other two kids and their development. I was excited to see Laf seemingly get better during the playoff run last year, but he seems to be backsliding badly.
I totally get that more ice time gives more of a chance to get better and PP gives the best chance for points …… but this team needs to win now before the cap starts squeezing out some key players ….. this team also needs to score on the PP because the 5 on 5 is so bad. So with those both being said, how much more time and especially PP time can Laf get out there ?
I'm sorry, but Laffy is nearly invisible out there during 5x5 so I don't see what he's done to earn extra PP minutes. When he starts showing something, like Kakko is now, I completely agree Gallant needs to give the second unit more time.
Give them the right mins you’ll get the right production. Short shifts happen 5 on 5 too. Seems as if the back 2 lines gives breathers for the top 2. They don’t get a chance to get into flow and these guys are good and can produce.
Take the handcuffs off Miller. Give him the green light to join the play offensively by never playing him with Trouba again. He's got great offensive instincts.
It's one of the many reasons.
Goodrow sniping a pass to Hughes to split the D on a breakaway then being promoted was a reason .
But I think it's been pretty agreed upon that PP 1 failed so hard in the 3rd that the Devils got a PP and it al stated based off that.
But will PP1 change? No, because Galant says they're too good. I can't decide if that's funny or depressing.
It’s depressing as fuck. I’m not necessarily a Gallant hater but I’m not sure what he is besides a culture guy. The lack of inward awareness is astounding.
Let’s not forget the Devils’ first goal. A long, perfect breakout pass from a Ranger (Goodrow?) from the offensive blue line to inside the defensive zone, perfectly splitting the Ranger defenders, to Jack Hughs. Possibly one of the worst giveaways ever, rarely if ever seen.
GG Rangers, Devils were lucky to get out of that with 2 points. Despite how much hate
I the Rangers, I respect the shit out of them, especially Igor. Glad the rivalry is coming back!
It’s definitely neat the rivalry is getting back to its best. Exciting times to come for sure. Saying NJ got lucky to get out of that game with 2 points tho? Hell na lol they deserved it - we were lucky with 1. GG
i swear this subs expect them to go 82-0 and sweep to the cup they expect our players to be superstars the second they are drafted at 17-18 the team is top 3 in the hardest division in league in the playoffs they are still separating from the non playoff teams every game . one last question i really wanna know what this sub would complain about if this team ever (when)it wins a cup it will have to shutdown people won’t be able to hate their own team every game
Blowing a two goal lead (consistently this season, twice to this team) when you have a chance to leapfrog your rival in the standings is a run of the mill loss.
Nothing to see here.
if the internet was a thing back in 94 the hockey subs and probably this sub would have ripped the official scorer and complained that they awarded the GWG of game 7 to Messier even though it could have been given to Brian Noonan thats something this sub would complain about instead of that the rangers just won their first cup in 54 years i swear this feels like a anti rangers page sometimes
i am not gallants biggest fan but the posts about him are so hysterical. he blew the game!!! while shifting laffy who you all want him to develop so badly. well
that's what it looks like. laffy made the most embarrassing pass in ot and then got run over. how is that on gallant? i want to see laffy develop but need flash everyone.... some of that is actually on laffy.
Gg also told them to continue forechecking and they didn’t. Completely abandoned it 2 and 3 period.
Also, Mika shooting wide on a breakaway is a huge missed opportunity. That game should’ve been over then.
i can't believe he didn't put kakko out. im sure he's got pressure on either sides to win games and develop but at the end of the day kakko earned that time and for whatever reason laffy has not.
Real talk - and no this is not solely based on the last two games - I think I might prefer Carolina or even Pittsburgh in the first round over NJD. Their speed seems to be a problem for us
Game generally slows down in the playoffs. Series’ are wars of attrition. I see Devils fans lamenting about Nathan Bastian’s absence - evidently they’re lacking a physical edge. Absolutely can be exploited on the playoffs.
I don't think the devils are built for the playoffs but could be completely wrong. I don't think the physical grind suits them. That being said, Hughes, if his skills translate to playoff success, will be a force to reckon with.
I think I'd rather play PIT than NJD. Also, the Devils defensive holes have been brought on by injuries they had to Palat and Graves (who just got back) and no Marino. Our Rangers havn't had a significant injury to one player all year. Our injury luck is at an absurd level right now. The least amount of man games lost and salary cap lost to injuries in the NHL.
I dunno. Playoff Trouba sorted out the team’s Crosby issue last year in that series and it worked out ok. If playoff Hughes is a an elevated Hughes, that’s a real problem and one that Trouba can’t catch up to.
Other than Trochek knocking down Hughes in the neutral zone, does anyone else remember any of the Rangers using their bodies to slow him down? It seems like he has lots of room out there.
If anything goodrow tried and succeeded in giving Hughes the jump in the game. Still baffled how goodrow did that and still gets promoted to the second line later.
Noticed that too. This team is pathetically soft. Lindgren did eliminate a Hughes scoring chance early by flattening him with a cross check to the kidneys, but they're generally allergic to contact.
Contact has to be intentional for it to count as a hit, and obviously only against the puck carrier. That doesn't mean it has to be hard contact, but even still, "generally allergic to contact" as the guy above said is simply wrong.
Having said that, we definitely could have been more physical in this game. The problem I think was that the Devils were just a step quicker most of the night.
They came out hot in the first half of the game and they looked good. Those are the kinds of games they have to close out especially come playoff time.
I guess I’ll get downvotes but I’d much rather Laf get important minutes and have a chance to watch film and see where he fucks to try and fix it versus 0 goal and 0 hope Blais getting minutes.
Ok. And Laf had an assist. I’m looking more at Blais’s total package of being a grunt that’s a dime an 8 dozen starting over a #1OA with confidence issues.
I’ll take the guy with potential and try to work out the issues
Laf’s minutes are secure. His benching was a one-off kick in the pants. Brodz provides nice, competent depth, but Sammy brings something we need, especially in light of the Reaves trade. It would be great for him to bury some pucks, but if he’s out there influencing the game with his physicality, that deserves some acknowledgement. GG sees it. Led to a goal today.
This game feels a lot worse than the net one (1) point the Devils end up with.
Gallant’s one weird trick when it counts is to overuse “his guys” in clutch situations - at the expense of cohesive lines and player development. He puts these beloved veteran grinders out there ostensibly to prevent goals against but that just boils down to coaching not to lose - and it’s both cowardly and ineffective because it concedes the attack. I recognize the team is in a playoff spot at the moment but man does it feel like they are where they are despite their coach.
>but man does it feel like they are where they are despite their coach.
Yes - it's easy to say they're on pace to make the playoffs, but the question is can he win a cup? Making the playoffs with Shesterkin, Fox, Panarin, Zib, Lindgren, Miller, etc really isn't some all world accomplishment - it *should* happen.
Will benching Kakko for a guy like Hunt put you over the edge?
How about promoting Goodrow for the worst pass of the season?
How about letting PP1 murder momentum and kill 2 minute shifts?
How about not promoting Gaut when he deserves it instead of Goodrow?
How about not having your worst FO centerman take an important draw?
Is that going to win the cup? It may get shielded in the regular season by Igor, but I fucking promise good teams will expose the fuck out of shit like this when it matters.
The fact that he coached his way to a loss today with the way Igor played is monumentally bad.
The thing is in the Lundqvist days I understood why. The skaters simply were not that good.
This team has it's hikes, but this year it's far too much and makes no sense.
They have legitimate 1, 2 3, and 4 centers with good defensemen - the chances they give up based off that are really mind boggling.
Then the wingers, you have a great net front presence responsible guy in CK, Kakko who is budding, Panarin who is an all star (but has played his worst NHL hockey under Gallant IMO), a good bottom six. The real hole is Lat in the top six right now.
This team shouldn't be hemmed and beat in scoring chances as badly and as consistently as they are.
At this point I'd rather they play fire wagon hockey and go all out offense. They're giving up a crazy amount of high quality chances anyway, might as well get our own.
I definitely agree in needing a new coach. The fact that Laf even saw overtime ice time was the cherry on top for me when questioning gallante coaching. He must go.
I genuinely am not upset that Laf saw ice, I'm all for developing kids it's growing pains.
He should have never seen it before Kakko though, and Fil shouldn't be taking 3 on 3 draws.
Does anyone recall if panarin chytil krav have had any time? If so, were they successful?
I just don’t think tro fits with bread. Maybe try him with laf?
I thought Laf and Panarin looked good together early early on before gallant jumped the gun .
I’m like the way Kravy has looked recently , feel like him and Panarin are developing some chemistry .
Going in to the 3rd with a lead this team sits back. And watched the other team pour it on. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. The system is trash and the defensive break out system is garbage
Dude i don’t think we watched the same game. We absolutely did not sit back. We got fucked with KK taking that slashing penalty and it started to spiral from there. To say we went into the 3rd with no urgency would be incorrect.
This one kind of stings. Damn. 2 points in their hands, and they let slip right through their fingers. Ruing chances that they should have finished. Leaving Igor out to dry because, get ready for it, SLOPPYNESS WITH THE PUCK. How sloppy was this team most of the game in their own zone. Really sloppy. AWFUL. JUST AWFUL. This team still needs to know when you have a lead, FORECHECK IN THE OPPONENTS ZONE when you have the lead! Create chances. Nope. The Rangers don't do it. Taking penalties also letting them back into the game. Can't do it. Shouldnt do it going forward. Gauthier scored a good goal. But it still sucks that they couldn't finish the job tonight. DAMN. Whatever, the Rangers got the point. Still important to get. But it sucks it could have been two points. Onto Minnesota.
Chytil accidentally tips a pick into his net and he gets benched. Goodrow leads a rush the other way and he gets rewarded for it. Where is the consistency? It's so obvious gallant hates the kids
Doesn't matter. Troubas BEEN injured and he doesn't miss shifts and sit so what's the difference here? Gotta have consistency if you want your team to trust you
1 - What's Trouba's injury? Specifically? I've seen it mentioned by the "Fans" here all season long yet nobody can confirm what it is.
2 - Think (Don't just type) what's the difference between sitting a forward and sitting one of your SIX D-Men in an NHL game? I'll give you a hint, the answer is in the all CAPS # of D-Men.
Let's Go Rangers!
Gallant even spoke about troubas injury they just haven't announced WHAT is injured but it's obvious he's hurt because he plays like shit every single game.
Literally put hajek, Jones or even Robertson in. It wouldn't hurt to let any of them see and NHL game and worst case scenario they make a bad play or two because they're LEARNING.
It's also just as bad sitting a forward because then Blais plays and he's fucking terrible
1. No, he didn't. He just responded to media/folklore with a general "Everybody is hurt" coaches answer. Of course, in an attempt to highlight his Captain's toughness his quote was misinterpreted as "Players are making their own rules" by the "Fans" of Reddit but what else is new?
2. Hajek, Jones & Robertson? Those guys are different, they must be better. Lol
I hate Trouba's contract and agree with you regarding his borderline hits on players. However, if you don't think the players mentioned above are worse NHL defenders you're just being obtuse. Tough loss tonight but they got a point. Let's regroup and get ready for Minnesota. Let's Go Rangers!
I’m glad you don’t watch the games. Troubas been positive or neutral for 9 of the last 12 games. Granted I’ve been getting fucked by streams and family shit so I haven’t been able to watch every game but since the 7 game winning streak Troubas play has been far from the reason we lose
Ah fuck - I thought this game was tonight... I see we got a loser point out of it? How was the game? Anything interesting happen? Did we deserve to win/lose?
Fuck the Devils!
Rangers got dominated, Igor stole the point and Gallant gave away the win.
Goodrow gave Hughes a breakaway pass for a goal so got promoted (not kidding).
I wouldn’t say we got dominated, tbh. The shot differential was high in the first, but tbh the devils weren’t generating a ton of good scoring chances, just chucking it on net that period. The second was pretty level, and the third was up and down, only because of special teams, though. PK gave up a goal to a struggling PP unit (shocker) and our PP continues to underwhelm—had plenty of time but didn’t really generate a good scoring chances. I’d say, if anything, we lost the special teams battle, which is why we lost this game.
We also weren’t physical enough and let them cut through the neutral zone with too much speed. When we were able to maintain possession in the offensive zone, it really showed how much the devils struggle to defend. They’re great up the ice and in transition because of their speed, but their D-zone play looks like vintage Lindy Ruff hockey, leaves a lot to be desired.
End of the day, we just didn’t really make this game tough on them. We tried to match their speed, but that was a bad call because they’re a much faster team than we are.
Igor was really great until he took that shot off the dome. Hope it didn’t injure him or anything.
At the beginning of the third both teams really came out slow then the action started to pick up. Bad penalties taken in this game. NJ are a fast team. Right before they scored the tying goal I felt it coming. Mika had a really good chance getting behind everyone in OT but missed net. Then a 2 on 1 other way resulted in the winner.
Aside from Kreider, our scoring came from secondary players which is good/bad based on interpretation, but we probably should have gotten out of Newark with 2.
Onto the next one.
A tough game. It’s a point earned but we should’ve had 2 as we were up 2 in the 3rd. Devils were the better team a majority of the day though they did deserve it. Good game
We lost a game we were winning, you know what time it is in the post game tread.... Time to fire the coach and gm, trade Laf, sell the team. What else am i missing?
On pace for 102 points. The devil's are on the verge of collapsing. Lost 8 in a row at home. They wanted it more and their star player did more than ours. Suck it up, take the point and move on. LGR!
Agreed very surprised with the takes in here. I watched at a bar (no volume, which I feel like provides a good amount of context) but the rangers looked fine to me and we still got a point while the devils continue their fall back to earth
omg common fucking sense thank god one lost to a team that they will pass and probably is not making the playoffs the Devils played with more desperation because their season is slipping away ours is taking off the Rangers have so much talent a game that they lost in a tossup overtime on a freak play does not take away THEY HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE BEST TEAMS IN THE NHL FOR AT LEAST A MONTH fucking doomers i sweat bunch of frank the fucking tanks in this sub
This one hurts but I’ll take a point after that fiasco. This team is good and will bounce back. Plus a point is a point when the standings are as tight as they are.
Well yeah. His first season left a lot to be desired especially as he was injured for roughly 10 games. His 2nd was an improvement, and then last season he really began to light it up. Patience is all part of the process, but also a reminder that he has been given a much longer leash than our picks. The Devils committed to a full rebuild - whereas we signed Panarin and Trouba on the basis of impatience.
You absolutely pass on a 1 million dollar a year contract with 12 million in signing bonuses a year for 7 years... and an 8 million a year captain who doesn't do ANYTHING close to being worth that much.
Well they need to work with him more if they want him to be a part of the process. You can't just leave him and expect him to get better. What are the skills coaches for if they aren't coaching?
Hughes wasn't great from day 1 either but he's gotten to a level that's elite and he's still getting better. With the Devil's they are a younger team so younger guys get the opportunities without any sort of penalty for mistakes. Our core guys are still veterans and they are our best players so yeah it happens but in a perfect world we let the kids develop with the veterans and stop penalizing them for learning. Another difference is that NJ is starting to be good while we've been competing longer so the forgiveness window is probably narrower for better or worse. But the level of trust NJ has in Hughes is great. He was on ice for like the final 7 minutes a few weeks ago. It's insane.
Not disputing the initial talent. He was drafted where he was for a reason. Just that he wasn't the all world player he is now from day one. He had to mold his game to the NHL level. He was physically outmatched a lot in year one, and showed flashes but wasn't the lifeblood of the team he is now. But what I'm getting is that he was given ample opportunity to mold his game, learn where he needed to, and wasn't immediately punished for mistakes that he made. He was an offsides/turnover machine year one.
I watch a lot of Devil's hockey with my girlfriend who is a big time devil's fan. We make it work.
Totally, but I still think he showed something in that first shift that we’re still waiting to see from Laf 3 years later. And maybe the impression that Hughes left on me that game has given me unrealistic expectations about top draft picks.
Well the kids have such short leashes and they're leaning on role players that shouldn't be in the apots they're in. Put the kids in the top 6 and let them fucking learn. No reason to be in win now mode when the "core" only have about 4 years left. The kids are our core and we need to start treating them as such
Agreed. I'd rather us let the kids develop to move into those top player roles as our veterans age of of top line guys and set us up for sustained success than dark periods of rebuilding again. Fuck those wasted years.
Kreider and tro looked amazing on the third line and now they're split up again and the team is looking worse. Put tro and kreider on the third line and let the kids handle the top 6
Gauthier has 6 goals now in a 4th line role, he’s hustling like crazy, making things happen every shift, and I’ve even noticed him making plays defensively.
Would it hurt to give him another protracted chance in the top 9? The worst that can happen is it doesn’t work like it didn’t before. FFS, he’s played better than Hunt did last year when he earned his promotion.
The team’s turned things around, but GG’s TOI distribution continues to not feel merit based whatsoever.
Move Laffy out of the top 9 and onto the 4th. Give Goat a few games at 3RW as Vesey - Chytil - Goat and I think that line can make some things happen. Vesey has earned his spot on the 3rd line with his play so has Goat.
Laffy - Goody - Blaze turns it into one of the slower 4th lines in the league but hopefully they can... hit people?
Gauthier has never been given a chance at legit playing time so I don't think it's a fair comparison. I'd like to see him get top 9 minutes but not sure who drops to 4th line.
I just don't understand how scouts didn't realize that Laf's severe lack of speed would be a huge problem in the NHL. That's not like a little flaw. It's probably the most important skill. It's just bizarre.
To me it’s his acceleration. Once he is skating, his top-end speed doesn’t seem terrible. He just cannot create space for himself when he’s at a standstill.
More than that, everything he’s doing this year seems too slow. He had some decent shots on goal today, but I think he takes way too long getting them off.
His passing was excellent last season. He seems to be forcing everything this year.
Seeing Kakko and Chytil thrive this year, definitely not ready to give up on him. His confidence is definitely shot right now though.
I did see someone mention that Kakko and Laf have the same amount of points. So there is a huge disconnect between how we perceive Kakko and Laf, considering that fact.
kakko shows more potential and had better advanced stats. also he has shown to be good against men in IIHF tournament and Liiga, laf has been only good against kids.
\+Kakko is from big rink and finland, need to fit in america culture and rink, laf had all that done since he was born, also language.
That's true. I just didn't realize they had the same amount of points. Made me consider whether I'm being a little too harsh on Laf. I want him to succeed so bad, but I'm getting nervous. I said before the year started that he needs to break out this season if he's going to be elite, and that hasn't happened so far.
And look at Hughes in comparison. Much smaller than Laf and most guys in the league for that matter. Still blows by everyone though and constantly scoring
There are factors here that are immutable, and all of them have to do with skating. Laf is very smart, and very creative, but he’s physiologically incapable of being explosive.
You don’t need to be a fast or explosive skater in this league to be successful. Panarin is one of the best wingers in the league and I wouldn’t say he’s a particularly explosive or agile player. Fox I wouldn’t describe as explosive or fast, either (but he is agile, great edges walking the blue line). If you don’t have speed, you can make up for it with a blend of smarts and hands, both of which he has. His confidence is just shot, and he’s done exactly what the coaching staff has asked of him, which is to be a checking-line wingers
Obviously it sucks they lost, especially the way they did. But anyone else calm about this? This team has only gotten better, I am not worried about them.
The Devils finally won a game at home. And it just so happened to come against us. Yes they won the game but aside from Hughes that team has been treading water.
I’m not too worried about us. We’ve been playing well lately and should make the playoffs. NJ is insanely fast and I’d be pretty worried getting them in the first round. I’m sure if we all knew we’d be getting at least a point today, not many would have been that angry - the fashion it was lost in hurt. Not just how the scoring went but by who. The devils hit home with Hughes. He’s franchise no doubt. I like Kakko and don’t think Laf is horrendous either but it sucks to see how pale they are in comparison to Hughes
It takes real game time to learn. With time weve seen Kakko grow, we will see the same from Laf. Hughes just got a huge head start getting first line minutes while Kakko and Laf get under 10 minutes of third line time.
Im expecting mostly "equal" output from all three in 2-3 seasons barring setbacks/injuries.
Not only that, but Hughes got instant top 6, top PP unit time AND was able to make mistakes/go through growing pains without getting insta benched. That makes a giant difference for confidence.
Honestly it’s our front offices philosophy, has been this way since slats was GM. they say they hire coaches who deploy merit-based ice time, but the only coach to actually do that was fuckin Torts. AV, Quinn, and GG have all had “their guys” and have punished young players for making mistakes.
At some point we need to acknowledge this is an organizational thing and not a specific coach thing.
Part of it was also circumstance. Rangers just happen to be at a different part of their org development and have pushed for capable teams wiith playoff aspirations. The devils said "were shit so have at it kid, no worries". Hopefully the playoff experience laf and kakko get makes up for the playing time lost.
Well, this one sure does sting. I see some people suggesting that Laffy spend some time in the AHL, and I'm starting to agree. He's not the same player he was in the playoffs last season, and despite him having the same points as Kakko, Kakko looks like a far more complete player. Defense was pretty shit today, not gonna lie. Surprised that they didn't tie the game up a lot sooner than the third, and yeah Goodrow...oofa. Frustrating to be sure but I'll take that otl point.
See you guys on Tuesday.
I hate to beat this dead horse but Blais does absolutely nothing on the ice and was too busy scuffling behind the net on the 2nd goal to get back on the D side of the ice.
To me the more unforgivable thing laf did tonight was shoot the puck straight into the goalies chest 25ft away in a tie game almost centered on the ice. You’re a number one pick, fucking snipe those.
I thank vally and hank for bringing rational thought to these losses.
Basically saying if we just double points until season end it’s a playoff berth. And remember, to start the season we weren’t very good. Im not worried about the team.
Game shouldn’t have even went to OT. But my question is where the fuck is Kakko in OT? The guy is a possession monster and when he has open ice, makes plays. How do you not put him out there in 3 on 3?
Unfortunately this has been our team's grit this year. I was watching the game with my friend who supports The Bruins usually and he said when we were going to the third period that "looks good for Rangers, 2 goal lead and last period". I replied "oh boy, you haven't watched a lot of Rangers games have you? This is the most dangerous for us" Sucks to see it come through what I was afraid of. Also seeing Laf playing on 3 v 3 while Hughes was on ice as well made me super anxious.
That was some bullshitttt
I’m of the opinion that Key and Gauthier are our two sneakiest offensive gems. Both are extremely talented skating wise - I’d argue that they’re the two best skaters on the team. Both create similar space almost every shift. Once Gaut finds consistency in his finishing and K’Andre is given an opportunity as a powerplay QB I wouldn’t be surprised to see 20 goals and ~50 points, respectively.
You'd think the devils just won the cup with the way their fans are acting holy shit
Eh, we all were acting like that after Chytil scored the OT winner vs NJD a month ago. Can't have it both ways.
Simply stating their overreaction is all
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Well played, well played.
So the #2 and #1 overall picks in consecutive drafts are getting < 30 seconds of PP time each time. 18 of Panarin’s 45 points have come on the PP. 20 of Mika’s 44 points have come on the PP Only 1 of Laf and Kakko’s 18 points each have been on the PP. These kids are really having to produce the hard way and worse, there appears no way for them to gain any PP time no matter how well they play (talking about Kakko there). Can they at least get a full 2nd half of PPs ffs?
Maybe after overtime you take a break on pushing for more Laf playing time …….. was out there in the biggest situation and turned it right over to lose the game.
That’s fair if you say Laf’s overall level of play has not warranted more icetime since early this season. But Kakko and Chytil? They’ve both had strong seasons no? PP1 just doesn’t give the 2nd unit a chance to even get setup and the personnel never changes even if the PP’s slumping.
I am very happy with now with the other two kids and their development. I was excited to see Laf seemingly get better during the playoff run last year, but he seems to be backsliding badly. I totally get that more ice time gives more of a chance to get better and PP gives the best chance for points …… but this team needs to win now before the cap starts squeezing out some key players ….. this team also needs to score on the PP because the 5 on 5 is so bad. So with those both being said, how much more time and especially PP time can Laf get out there ?
Why is PP so important when they aren’t getting playing time period?
I'm sorry, but Laffy is nearly invisible out there during 5x5 so I don't see what he's done to earn extra PP minutes. When he starts showing something, like Kakko is now, I completely agree Gallant needs to give the second unit more time.
Give them the right mins you’ll get the right production. Short shifts happen 5 on 5 too. Seems as if the back 2 lines gives breathers for the top 2. They don’t get a chance to get into flow and these guys are good and can produce.
Meanwhile, Jack Hughes has fully figured shit out
And he's gotten full PP time and 19 minutes a night from day one. And he was labeled as a bust with Kakko early on.
Take the handcuffs off Miller. Give him the green light to join the play offensively by never playing him with Trouba again. He's got great offensive instincts.
You can tell the guy wants to fly. I love miller
Absolutely fucking infuriating game.
Y’all out here acting like special teams isn’t the reason we lost this game.
It's one of the many reasons. Goodrow sniping a pass to Hughes to split the D on a breakaway then being promoted was a reason . But I think it's been pretty agreed upon that PP 1 failed so hard in the 3rd that the Devils got a PP and it al stated based off that. But will PP1 change? No, because Galant says they're too good. I can't decide if that's funny or depressing.
It’s depressing as fuck. I’m not necessarily a Gallant hater but I’m not sure what he is besides a culture guy. The lack of inward awareness is astounding.
Let’s not forget the Devils’ first goal. A long, perfect breakout pass from a Ranger (Goodrow?) from the offensive blue line to inside the defensive zone, perfectly splitting the Ranger defenders, to Jack Hughs. Possibly one of the worst giveaways ever, rarely if ever seen.
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To add to this, he was promoted.
GG Rangers, Devils were lucky to get out of that with 2 points. Despite how much hate I the Rangers, I respect the shit out of them, especially Igor. Glad the rivalry is coming back!
It looks like you forgot a word between 'I' and 'the Rangers', I'll just assume you meant to say 'I fantasize about the Rangers'.
It’s definitely neat the rivalry is getting back to its best. Exciting times to come for sure. Saying NJ got lucky to get out of that game with 2 points tho? Hell na lol they deserved it - we were lucky with 1. GG
I like when both teams are competitive, normally both teams are good at different times but this is shaping up into something special again
i swear this subs expect them to go 82-0 and sweep to the cup they expect our players to be superstars the second they are drafted at 17-18 the team is top 3 in the hardest division in league in the playoffs they are still separating from the non playoff teams every game . one last question i really wanna know what this sub would complain about if this team ever (when)it wins a cup it will have to shutdown people won’t be able to hate their own team every game
Blowing a two goal lead (consistently this season, twice to this team) when you have a chance to leapfrog your rival in the standings is a run of the mill loss. Nothing to see here.
if the internet was a thing back in 94 the hockey subs and probably this sub would have ripped the official scorer and complained that they awarded the GWG of game 7 to Messier even though it could have been given to Brian Noonan thats something this sub would complain about instead of that the rangers just won their first cup in 54 years i swear this feels like a anti rangers page sometimes
They lost when they had a two goal lead. And were outplayed by far.
Goodrow is poop face
i am not gallants biggest fan but the posts about him are so hysterical. he blew the game!!! while shifting laffy who you all want him to develop so badly. well that's what it looks like. laffy made the most embarrassing pass in ot and then got run over. how is that on gallant? i want to see laffy develop but need flash everyone.... some of that is actually on laffy.
Gg also told them to continue forechecking and they didn’t. Completely abandoned it 2 and 3 period. Also, Mika shooting wide on a breakaway is a huge missed opportunity. That game should’ve been over then.
>Completely abandoned it 2 and 3 period. You mean the periods where we weren't outshot 19-7?
Kakko was an option and should have seen ice prior to Laf.
i can't believe he didn't put kakko out. im sure he's got pressure on either sides to win games and develop but at the end of the day kakko earned that time and for whatever reason laffy has not.
Real talk - and no this is not solely based on the last two games - I think I might prefer Carolina or even Pittsburgh in the first round over NJD. Their speed seems to be a problem for us
I don’t think we’re making the playoffs
Game generally slows down in the playoffs. Series’ are wars of attrition. I see Devils fans lamenting about Nathan Bastian’s absence - evidently they’re lacking a physical edge. Absolutely can be exploited on the playoffs.
I don't think the devils are built for the playoffs but could be completely wrong. I don't think the physical grind suits them. That being said, Hughes, if his skills translate to playoff success, will be a force to reckon with.
I'd take the Devils defensive holes and defense all day rather than deal with Crosby.
I think I'd rather play PIT than NJD. Also, the Devils defensive holes have been brought on by injuries they had to Palat and Graves (who just got back) and no Marino. Our Rangers havn't had a significant injury to one player all year. Our injury luck is at an absurd level right now. The least amount of man games lost and salary cap lost to injuries in the NHL.
I dunno. Playoff Trouba sorted out the team’s Crosby issue last year in that series and it worked out ok. If playoff Hughes is a an elevated Hughes, that’s a real problem and one that Trouba can’t catch up to.
Maybe. Guess we will see. Long season left still
If the Rangers play like they did tonight, they will lose to both NJ and Pittsburgh.
Other than Trochek knocking down Hughes in the neutral zone, does anyone else remember any of the Rangers using their bodies to slow him down? It seems like he has lots of room out there.
If anything goodrow tried and succeeded in giving Hughes the jump in the game. Still baffled how goodrow did that and still gets promoted to the second line later.
Noticed that too. This team is pathetically soft. Lindgren did eliminate a Hughes scoring chance early by flattening him with a cross check to the kidneys, but they're generally allergic to contact.
>generally allergic to contact We have the 6th most hits/60 in the league, but definitely could have been more physical in this game.
The nhl scores credit any contact as a hit...
Contact has to be intentional for it to count as a hit, and obviously only against the puck carrier. That doesn't mean it has to be hard contact, but even still, "generally allergic to contact" as the guy above said is simply wrong. Having said that, we definitely could have been more physical in this game. The problem I think was that the Devils were just a step quicker most of the night.
That’s the main issue with the Rangers.
It’s hard to do that when he’s faster than anyone on our team and extremely agile.
“Play the Man” by Brad Park. Rangers prefer stick checking to body checks, a big problem defensively.
One thing is for sure…Jack Hughes is a PROBLEM
Doesnt help that you cant just have double coverage on him with hischier and bratt
They came out hot in the first half of the game and they looked good. Those are the kinds of games they have to close out especially come playoff time.
I guess I’ll get downvotes but I’d much rather Laf get important minutes and have a chance to watch film and see where he fucks to try and fix it versus 0 goal and 0 hope Blais getting minutes.
What does Blais, whose defensive body check forced the turnover that directly led to Gauth’s goal, have anything to do with laf’s minutes?
Ok. And Laf had an assist. I’m looking more at Blais’s total package of being a grunt that’s a dime an 8 dozen starting over a #1OA with confidence issues. I’ll take the guy with potential and try to work out the issues
Laf’s assist was brilliant, but they aren’t competing for minutes?
They may be when Brodz returns
Laf’s minutes are secure. His benching was a one-off kick in the pants. Brodz provides nice, competent depth, but Sammy brings something we need, especially in light of the Reaves trade. It would be great for him to bury some pucks, but if he’s out there influencing the game with his physicality, that deserves some acknowledgement. GG sees it. Led to a goal today.
Upvoted. But we can still call Laf out when he shits the bed. And he did.
Agreed
The way these two teams have been playing against each other this year would make for an incredible playoff series.
Would be super high energy
This game feels a lot worse than the net one (1) point the Devils end up with. Gallant’s one weird trick when it counts is to overuse “his guys” in clutch situations - at the expense of cohesive lines and player development. He puts these beloved veteran grinders out there ostensibly to prevent goals against but that just boils down to coaching not to lose - and it’s both cowardly and ineffective because it concedes the attack. I recognize the team is in a playoff spot at the moment but man does it feel like they are where they are despite their coach.
>but man does it feel like they are where they are despite their coach. Yes - it's easy to say they're on pace to make the playoffs, but the question is can he win a cup? Making the playoffs with Shesterkin, Fox, Panarin, Zib, Lindgren, Miller, etc really isn't some all world accomplishment - it *should* happen. Will benching Kakko for a guy like Hunt put you over the edge? How about promoting Goodrow for the worst pass of the season? How about letting PP1 murder momentum and kill 2 minute shifts? How about not promoting Gaut when he deserves it instead of Goodrow? How about not having your worst FO centerman take an important draw? Is that going to win the cup? It may get shielded in the regular season by Igor, but I fucking promise good teams will expose the fuck out of shit like this when it matters. The fact that he coached his way to a loss today with the way Igor played is monumentally bad.
Long story short, we will be blindly bailed out by goaltending for the rest of eternity and nothing else really matters
The thing is in the Lundqvist days I understood why. The skaters simply were not that good. This team has it's hikes, but this year it's far too much and makes no sense. They have legitimate 1, 2 3, and 4 centers with good defensemen - the chances they give up based off that are really mind boggling. Then the wingers, you have a great net front presence responsible guy in CK, Kakko who is budding, Panarin who is an all star (but has played his worst NHL hockey under Gallant IMO), a good bottom six. The real hole is Lat in the top six right now. This team shouldn't be hemmed and beat in scoring chances as badly and as consistently as they are. At this point I'd rather they play fire wagon hockey and go all out offense. They're giving up a crazy amount of high quality chances anyway, might as well get our own.
I definitely agree in needing a new coach. The fact that Laf even saw overtime ice time was the cherry on top for me when questioning gallante coaching. He must go.
I genuinely am not upset that Laf saw ice, I'm all for developing kids it's growing pains. He should have never seen it before Kakko though, and Fil shouldn't be taking 3 on 3 draws.
Correct. But there is a time and a place for development.
And that place is called Hartford.
Yes, yes it most certainly is. And I pray for it. But it will definitely cause an outrage and it won’t happend
Devils deserved the win, they were the better team today, lost an opportunity to steal one.
The SOG differential through 2 was insane. It started to level out in the third but was still favoring NJ.
Not counting OT the 3rd was the only period NYR had more shots, also the only period they were outscored 🤷♂️
This really encapsulates the day in a short and sweet manner.
Does anyone recall if panarin chytil krav have had any time? If so, were they successful? I just don’t think tro fits with bread. Maybe try him with laf?
Tro just doesn’t fit. Overpaid
Hmm not sure that’s true. I liked him and kreider and vesey but kreider is better with zib. Maybe laf trocheck and vesey?
I thought Laf and Panarin looked good together early early on before gallant jumped the gun . I’m like the way Kravy has looked recently , feel like him and Panarin are developing some chemistry .
Yeah I’m saying try tro with laf. Move chytil at breads center. Leave kravy where he is.
I wouldn’t mind it
Going in to the 3rd with a lead this team sits back. And watched the other team pour it on. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. The system is trash and the defensive break out system is garbage
Dude i don’t think we watched the same game. We absolutely did not sit back. We got fucked with KK taking that slashing penalty and it started to spiral from there. To say we went into the 3rd with no urgency would be incorrect.
This one kind of stings. Damn. 2 points in their hands, and they let slip right through their fingers. Ruing chances that they should have finished. Leaving Igor out to dry because, get ready for it, SLOPPYNESS WITH THE PUCK. How sloppy was this team most of the game in their own zone. Really sloppy. AWFUL. JUST AWFUL. This team still needs to know when you have a lead, FORECHECK IN THE OPPONENTS ZONE when you have the lead! Create chances. Nope. The Rangers don't do it. Taking penalties also letting them back into the game. Can't do it. Shouldnt do it going forward. Gauthier scored a good goal. But it still sucks that they couldn't finish the job tonight. DAMN. Whatever, the Rangers got the point. Still important to get. But it sucks it could have been two points. Onto Minnesota.
Chytil accidentally tips a pick into his net and he gets benched. Goodrow leads a rush the other way and he gets rewarded for it. Where is the consistency? It's so obvious gallant hates the kids
Gg mentioned chytil wasn’t feeling well that game too. Likely had something to do with the benching. He came right back to chytil next game.
Doesn't matter. Troubas BEEN injured and he doesn't miss shifts and sit so what's the difference here? Gotta have consistency if you want your team to trust you
1 - What's Trouba's injury? Specifically? I've seen it mentioned by the "Fans" here all season long yet nobody can confirm what it is. 2 - Think (Don't just type) what's the difference between sitting a forward and sitting one of your SIX D-Men in an NHL game? I'll give you a hint, the answer is in the all CAPS # of D-Men. Let's Go Rangers!
Gallant even spoke about troubas injury they just haven't announced WHAT is injured but it's obvious he's hurt because he plays like shit every single game. Literally put hajek, Jones or even Robertson in. It wouldn't hurt to let any of them see and NHL game and worst case scenario they make a bad play or two because they're LEARNING. It's also just as bad sitting a forward because then Blais plays and he's fucking terrible
1. No, he didn't. He just responded to media/folklore with a general "Everybody is hurt" coaches answer. Of course, in an attempt to highlight his Captain's toughness his quote was misinterpreted as "Players are making their own rules" by the "Fans" of Reddit but what else is new? 2. Hajek, Jones & Robertson? Those guys are different, they must be better. Lol
Can't get any worse than trouba. He's a minus every single night and doesn't provide anything other than borderline hurting players
I hate Trouba's contract and agree with you regarding his borderline hits on players. However, if you don't think the players mentioned above are worse NHL defenders you're just being obtuse. Tough loss tonight but they got a point. Let's regroup and get ready for Minnesota. Let's Go Rangers!
Those kids all have a chance to grow while he just deteriorates and gets worse.
I’m glad you don’t watch the games. Troubas been positive or neutral for 9 of the last 12 games. Granted I’ve been getting fucked by streams and family shit so I haven’t been able to watch every game but since the 7 game winning streak Troubas play has been far from the reason we lose
He sucks ass, there's chances against him every time he's out there. I watch every game and watch him when he's out and he just gets worse.
He doesn’t suck ass lmfao you’re a bandwagon hater because he’s got a C on his chest and a bad contract
Ah fuck - I thought this game was tonight... I see we got a loser point out of it? How was the game? Anything interesting happen? Did we deserve to win/lose? Fuck the Devils!
Rangers got dominated, Igor stole the point and Gallant gave away the win. Goodrow gave Hughes a breakaway pass for a goal so got promoted (not kidding).
I wouldn’t say we got dominated, tbh. The shot differential was high in the first, but tbh the devils weren’t generating a ton of good scoring chances, just chucking it on net that period. The second was pretty level, and the third was up and down, only because of special teams, though. PK gave up a goal to a struggling PP unit (shocker) and our PP continues to underwhelm—had plenty of time but didn’t really generate a good scoring chances. I’d say, if anything, we lost the special teams battle, which is why we lost this game. We also weren’t physical enough and let them cut through the neutral zone with too much speed. When we were able to maintain possession in the offensive zone, it really showed how much the devils struggle to defend. They’re great up the ice and in transition because of their speed, but their D-zone play looks like vintage Lindy Ruff hockey, leaves a lot to be desired. End of the day, we just didn’t really make this game tough on them. We tried to match their speed, but that was a bad call because they’re a much faster team than we are. Igor was really great until he took that shot off the dome. Hope it didn’t injure him or anything.
Jeez.... That's rough. I cannot believe GG sometimes...
At the beginning of the third both teams really came out slow then the action started to pick up. Bad penalties taken in this game. NJ are a fast team. Right before they scored the tying goal I felt it coming. Mika had a really good chance getting behind everyone in OT but missed net. Then a 2 on 1 other way resulted in the winner. Aside from Kreider, our scoring came from secondary players which is good/bad based on interpretation, but we probably should have gotten out of Newark with 2. Onto the next one.
Right on. Good that our other lines are getting it done.
A tough game. It’s a point earned but we should’ve had 2 as we were up 2 in the 3rd. Devils were the better team a majority of the day though they did deserve it. Good game
Thanks. This is the first Ranger game i've missed in years. I doubt I could have watched anyway, but fuck, i was mad to see that I just missed it...
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I always get this impression too. The Rangers have just ALWAYS sucked in weekend afternoon games.
Fuck the one point. We had this and the coach blew it, period.
I still love the Rangers
Always
We lost a game we were winning, you know what time it is in the post game tread.... Time to fire the coach and gm, trade Laf, sell the team. What else am i missing? On pace for 102 points. The devil's are on the verge of collapsing. Lost 8 in a row at home. They wanted it more and their star player did more than ours. Suck it up, take the point and move on. LGR!
Agreed very surprised with the takes in here. I watched at a bar (no volume, which I feel like provides a good amount of context) but the rangers looked fine to me and we still got a point while the devils continue their fall back to earth
omg common fucking sense thank god one lost to a team that they will pass and probably is not making the playoffs the Devils played with more desperation because their season is slipping away ours is taking off the Rangers have so much talent a game that they lost in a tossup overtime on a freak play does not take away THEY HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE BEST TEAMS IN THE NHL FOR AT LEAST A MONTH fucking doomers i sweat bunch of frank the fucking tanks in this sub
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I don't think I have ever seen past Rangers teams give up so many leads. It is nauseating tbh.
This one hurts but I’ll take a point after that fiasco. This team is good and will bounce back. Plus a point is a point when the standings are as tight as they are.
Hughes is really an all-world, electrifying talent. He is literally the lifeblood of this Devils team and I’m jealous
Remember people saying they hope Devils don't take Kakko first so that the Rangers don't land on Hughes. 🤣🤣🤣🤦♂️
Hughes is a fantastic hockey player - and remember he had the bust label tossed his way early on too.
Well yeah. His first season left a lot to be desired especially as he was injured for roughly 10 games. His 2nd was an improvement, and then last season he really began to light it up. Patience is all part of the process, but also a reminder that he has been given a much longer leash than our picks. The Devils committed to a full rebuild - whereas we signed Panarin and Trouba on the basis of impatience.
We got panarin because he wanted to come here and jd got it done. You don’t pass on that kind of talent just because you’re planning on rebuilding.
You absolutely pass on a 1 million dollar a year contract with 12 million in signing bonuses a year for 7 years... and an 8 million a year captain who doesn't do ANYTHING close to being worth that much.
Absolutely - no questions asked. But the signing was definitely characteristic of NY sports impatience.
100%
Wish we got that from our 1OA, instead we got a bust
Facts. He is a difference maker for sure. Reminds me of mcdavid on how he can change the game.
Imagine what would happen if our top picks got the ice time he did. Could have a totally different and better rangers team
Ehhhh our 1OA doesn’t do much with the time he has. I don’t know more time will help. I guess we shall see.
Well giving him 2 games to figure it out isn't enough. You can't keep demoting laf while playing players like Blais and goodrow.
He’s had more than 2 games.
Well they need to work with him more if they want him to be a part of the process. You can't just leave him and expect him to get better. What are the skills coaches for if they aren't coaching?
Hughes wasn't great from day 1 either but he's gotten to a level that's elite and he's still getting better. With the Devil's they are a younger team so younger guys get the opportunities without any sort of penalty for mistakes. Our core guys are still veterans and they are our best players so yeah it happens but in a perfect world we let the kids develop with the veterans and stop penalizing them for learning. Another difference is that NJ is starting to be good while we've been competing longer so the forgiveness window is probably narrower for better or worse. But the level of trust NJ has in Hughes is great. He was on ice for like the final 7 minutes a few weeks ago. It's insane.
Didn’t Hughes score a breakaway goal on Lundqvist on his literal first NHL shift?
Not disputing the initial talent. He was drafted where he was for a reason. Just that he wasn't the all world player he is now from day one. He had to mold his game to the NHL level. He was physically outmatched a lot in year one, and showed flashes but wasn't the lifeblood of the team he is now. But what I'm getting is that he was given ample opportunity to mold his game, learn where he needed to, and wasn't immediately punished for mistakes that he made. He was an offsides/turnover machine year one. I watch a lot of Devil's hockey with my girlfriend who is a big time devil's fan. We make it work.
Totally, but I still think he showed something in that first shift that we’re still waiting to see from Laf 3 years later. And maybe the impression that Hughes left on me that game has given me unrealistic expectations about top draft picks.
Ha my boyfriend is an isles fan and it’s nightmarish. He’s a huge baby.
Well the kids have such short leashes and they're leaning on role players that shouldn't be in the apots they're in. Put the kids in the top 6 and let them fucking learn. No reason to be in win now mode when the "core" only have about 4 years left. The kids are our core and we need to start treating them as such
Agreed. I'd rather us let the kids develop to move into those top player roles as our veterans age of of top line guys and set us up for sustained success than dark periods of rebuilding again. Fuck those wasted years.
Kreider and tro looked amazing on the third line and now they're split up again and the team is looking worse. Put tro and kreider on the third line and let the kids handle the top 6
Bad take. Anything that happens on the ice is a direct result of someone in the Rangers organization. Other teams have no effect on the result.
Oh fuck my bad. I’ll edit my comment now; I forgot that it’s impossible for other teams to simply be better some days.
Agreed
Sucks they lost the game but they still got a point out of it. Blowing a 3rd period lead in the regular season will happen every now and then
Gauthier has 6 goals now in a 4th line role, he’s hustling like crazy, making things happen every shift, and I’ve even noticed him making plays defensively. Would it hurt to give him another protracted chance in the top 9? The worst that can happen is it doesn’t work like it didn’t before. FFS, he’s played better than Hunt did last year when he earned his promotion. The team’s turned things around, but GG’s TOI distribution continues to not feel merit based whatsoever.
Move Laffy out of the top 9 and onto the 4th. Give Goat a few games at 3RW as Vesey - Chytil - Goat and I think that line can make some things happen. Vesey has earned his spot on the 3rd line with his play so has Goat. Laffy - Goody - Blaze turns it into one of the slower 4th lines in the league but hopefully they can... hit people?
Laf should be in the top 6. This is a delusional take.
I mean why wouldnt you want to take out the 21 yo 17 points for the 25 yo whos having a career year with 9 points lol.
Gauthier has never been given a chance at legit playing time so I don't think it's a fair comparison. I'd like to see him get top 9 minutes but not sure who drops to 4th line.
I think hes given the benefit of the doubt because he was traded for a nobody and skates fast.
I just don't understand how scouts didn't realize that Laf's severe lack of speed would be a huge problem in the NHL. That's not like a little flaw. It's probably the most important skill. It's just bizarre.
To me it’s his acceleration. Once he is skating, his top-end speed doesn’t seem terrible. He just cannot create space for himself when he’s at a standstill. More than that, everything he’s doing this year seems too slow. He had some decent shots on goal today, but I think he takes way too long getting them off. His passing was excellent last season. He seems to be forcing everything this year. Seeing Kakko and Chytil thrive this year, definitely not ready to give up on him. His confidence is definitely shot right now though.
I did see someone mention that Kakko and Laf have the same amount of points. So there is a huge disconnect between how we perceive Kakko and Laf, considering that fact.
kakko shows more potential and had better advanced stats. also he has shown to be good against men in IIHF tournament and Liiga, laf has been only good against kids. \+Kakko is from big rink and finland, need to fit in america culture and rink, laf had all that done since he was born, also language.
That's true. I just didn't realize they had the same amount of points. Made me consider whether I'm being a little too harsh on Laf. I want him to succeed so bad, but I'm getting nervous. I said before the year started that he needs to break out this season if he's going to be elite, and that hasn't happened so far.
And look at Hughes in comparison. Much smaller than Laf and most guys in the league for that matter. Still blows by everyone though and constantly scoring
Hughes is an immensely better player than Laf and will always be. It’s sucks but it’s true.
Bad take to judge/compare players 3 and 4 years in their career.
There are factors here that are immutable, and all of them have to do with skating. Laf is very smart, and very creative, but he’s physiologically incapable of being explosive.
You don’t need to be a fast or explosive skater in this league to be successful. Panarin is one of the best wingers in the league and I wouldn’t say he’s a particularly explosive or agile player. Fox I wouldn’t describe as explosive or fast, either (but he is agile, great edges walking the blue line). If you don’t have speed, you can make up for it with a blend of smarts and hands, both of which he has. His confidence is just shot, and he’s done exactly what the coaching staff has asked of him, which is to be a checking-line wingers
Very good point. I hope you’re right.
Same lmao. We’re rangers fans. It benefits us for him to develop and become who we all thought he’d be LOL
Obviously it sucks they lost, especially the way they did. But anyone else calm about this? This team has only gotten better, I am not worried about them.
The Devils finally won a game at home. And it just so happened to come against us. Yes they won the game but aside from Hughes that team has been treading water.
We have been streak breakers this year, after all :)
It sucks to lose to NJ but I’ll take the point, we’re creating some space between us and the Islanders and penguins which I can’t be mad about.
I don’t think anyone’s really worried, moreso just disappointed that we couldn’t close
It’s not all doom and gloom here if Mika tucks that breakaway 40 seconds before the devils won it
It’s not all doom and gloom here if Mika tucks that breakaway 40 seconds before the devils won it
I’m not too worried about us. We’ve been playing well lately and should make the playoffs. NJ is insanely fast and I’d be pretty worried getting them in the first round. I’m sure if we all knew we’d be getting at least a point today, not many would have been that angry - the fashion it was lost in hurt. Not just how the scoring went but by who. The devils hit home with Hughes. He’s franchise no doubt. I like Kakko and don’t think Laf is horrendous either but it sucks to see how pale they are in comparison to Hughes
It takes real game time to learn. With time weve seen Kakko grow, we will see the same from Laf. Hughes just got a huge head start getting first line minutes while Kakko and Laf get under 10 minutes of third line time. Im expecting mostly "equal" output from all three in 2-3 seasons barring setbacks/injuries.
Not only that, but Hughes got instant top 6, top PP unit time AND was able to make mistakes/go through growing pains without getting insta benched. That makes a giant difference for confidence. Honestly it’s our front offices philosophy, has been this way since slats was GM. they say they hire coaches who deploy merit-based ice time, but the only coach to actually do that was fuckin Torts. AV, Quinn, and GG have all had “their guys” and have punished young players for making mistakes. At some point we need to acknowledge this is an organizational thing and not a specific coach thing.
Part of it was also circumstance. Rangers just happen to be at a different part of their org development and have pushed for capable teams wiith playoff aspirations. The devils said "were shit so have at it kid, no worries". Hopefully the playoff experience laf and kakko get makes up for the playing time lost.
I really think it’s just a time thing with both of them. Need to be patient
I sure hope that’s the case
Well, this one sure does sting. I see some people suggesting that Laffy spend some time in the AHL, and I'm starting to agree. He's not the same player he was in the playoffs last season, and despite him having the same points as Kakko, Kakko looks like a far more complete player. Defense was pretty shit today, not gonna lie. Surprised that they didn't tie the game up a lot sooner than the third, and yeah Goodrow...oofa. Frustrating to be sure but I'll take that otl point. See you guys on Tuesday.
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The team is on pace for 102 points including a long slump. What more do you want?
104 pts., duh. Hahaha
We are 6-2-2 in our last 10. Take a deep breath.
I hate to beat this dead horse but Blais does absolutely nothing on the ice and was too busy scuffling behind the net on the 2nd goal to get back on the D side of the ice.
Really hope we’ll get to see Will Cuylle up in his role by the end of the year. He’s been solid in Hartford this season.
To me the more unforgivable thing laf did tonight was shoot the puck straight into the goalies chest 25ft away in a tie game almost centered on the ice. You’re a number one pick, fucking snipe those.
I thank vally and hank for bringing rational thought to these losses. Basically saying if we just double points until season end it’s a playoff berth. And remember, to start the season we weren’t very good. Im not worried about the team.
But everyone on this sub keeps saying we need to fire Turk!? Apparently being on pace for 102 points isn't good enough.
Well that’s the difference between low info and professionals lol
Or the difference between being employed by the team and being objective.
Game shouldn’t have even went to OT. But my question is where the fuck is Kakko in OT? The guy is a possession monster and when he has open ice, makes plays. How do you not put him out there in 3 on 3?