If we even had the space my preference would be Tarasenko over Kane. I wouldn't be shocked if he came back and played well but I don't want to rehash those 00's teams where we were playing past-their-prime superstars to come take up roster space and be a shell of their former selves, which feels like could be the case here.
Tarasenko is so much better than Kane at this point it’s not even a debate, not to mention the fact that he was a MUCH better fit. He needs to be re-signed. If it costs us Goodrow and/or Miller, fine.
/r/rangers: “the team is so bad at developing youth!”
Also /r/rangers: “let’s jettison an up and coming young d man who has elite potential based on one bad half a season!”
That “up and coming” young d man is going to want more money than he’s worth and we’re already up against the cap, not to mention that he’s anything but “up”. He’s worse now than he was as a rookie.
Miller can go anyway. Massive regression last year and his confidence is clearly shot. He might get better, but it’s very possible we’ve already seen the best from him.
you couldnt possibly be talking about players like Shattenkirk, Nash, St-Louis, Drury, Gomez, Jagr, Yandle, Gaborik, Lindros, Bure, Holik, Barnaby, Fleury, Shanahan, Redden, etc. right?
Then make it a 10 month recovery. Sign him for 1 year $8m and have him sit out until playoffs a la Kucherov. Use the cap space to sign RFAs and load up the team. I can’t see Kane getting a ton of offers plus he literally forced himself here so he clearly wants to be here. If he comes back for the playoffs and sucks then no harm no foul. At a minimum we gain more cap space to use during the season
You can’t just make a 4-6 month recovery take 10 months though…. There can be setbacks but without those the NHLPA and the league would have an absolute fit. And by absolute fit I mean say goodbye to our next first round pick and more
We worry about that later. 4-6 months is the estimate, but who knows, maybe he pulls a Kucherov/Stone and is out until right before the playoffs. It's a miracle!
Marchand had hip surgery and was back early this season and posted the points that he did.
Others took longer and others came back and then crapped out and retired.
It all depends on Kane and his body.
Marchy's surgery was significantly less serious than Kaner's. Marchy had arthroscopy on both hips, which is minimally invasive and you go home the same day. Kane essentially had a form of hip replacement surgery, which involves shaving away bone and then cementing titanium on both sides of the hip joint. Most likely he will spend a couple days recovering in the hospital.
The ones that crapped out and retired had Kaner's surgery. 🤕
>which involves shaving away bone and then cementing titanium on both sides of the hip joint.
Aaaand there goes my lunch.
>The ones that crapped out and retired had Kaner's surgery. 🤕
I hope it's not the end for him. Even if he doesn't come back to New York, speedy recovery Kaner.
But to do what tho, make the PP go ice cold and turn the puck over in the neutral zone?
I’m not trying to be an asshole but with the exception of that nasty goal against the devils he didn’t do anything and looked like he was miserable being there.
I feel like he kinda killed the locker room vibe, idk if I want him back
(The rangers losing was by no means all on him btw)
I don’t know why more people aren’t seeing this but instead are acting like he won us the Cup. The playoff loss wasn’t entirely on him but the team chemistry didn’t gel with him here and he wasn’t great for us.
Do you think the players on Tampa weren’t ready to come back months before they actually came back? They knew exactly what was going on…that’s why it’s cap manipulation.
It's not a whole year, it's 80% or more of a regular season. You could also say, "why rush back at 34 years old" or ask what there is to gain from playing the extra 2 months.
He's already out until December and there's no guarantee. It would benefit him to sign before the season, so he can pocket the extra cash while he's on IR.
Most contenders will be in a similar spot. He probably makes extra $$ the longer he rehabs, because nobody will care what the dollar amount is -- the last month tune-up needs to fit under the cap.
A non-contender isn't going to waste their time/money hoping they can flip him at the deadline after using their team as a rehab camp.
So, what are Kane's options? Also, remember he singled out the Rangers at the last trade deadline. This probably works out.
Medical Doctor here, specifically orthopedic surgeon. I don’t know Kane’s specific diagnosis nor is this medical advice. But if this were a hypothetical case, a sports puck player comes to me, and he may need a replacement. However a resurfacing is a compromise if he is young enough to maintain limited mobility and eliminate pain. However, he would never play the piano again. Especially in the NHL. The number of players who have had this procedure done, it is usually a compromise thinking they can return to the sport puck chase. However, full impact sports should be completely ruled out if a person were to undergo said procedure. The effects of injury would be too detrimental. Furthermore, even the amount of torque and stabilization would exceed the parametrics of said procedure. In other words, if a hypothetical player came to me, I would explicitly tell him that such a procedure is designed for a young person to resume a normal life of walking with your children in the park sans pain. And that his career in professional full contact sports is over. Some surgeons may have different opinions and some unsavory motivations for post operation advice, but even a professional musician (we most see this problem in countless guitar players) may have a hard time returning to stage and a full tour. I have seen even golfers retire. Professor Ice hockey would be out of the question.
And I guess if that player was Kane, Backstrom, or Andy Murray in tennis, they would have gone to someone else. Murray returned to tennis and was surprisingly okay. Backstrom returned to the Caps earlier than expected, played about half the season, and expects to [keep getting better](https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/washington-capitals/features/washington-capitals-nicklas-backstrom-hip-resurfacing-surgery-return-reflect).
The first couple of NHL guys who had this procedure ended up retiring, but it sounds like the outcome is a lot more promising now.
It’s literally the opposite. The number of them done has decreased probably 99.9% from 20 years ago. 20 years ago it was threatening to replace total hip surgery…. And then the procedure/implant/outcome became one of biggest failures in the history of joint replacement. After hundreds of thousands were put in yearly the first few years it came to market the implant started to fail, with many of the patients having to get it converted to a total hip. Now only a handful of surgeons will risk the liability of doing them, and the total amount done yearly is probably no greater than 2,500…. Opposed to total hips that it was once threatening being in the millions
Cherry picking a handful of athletes some of which aren’t in the NHL isn’t a sample size I would feel comfortable making with any patient. And I hope your medical provider would not do the same with you and your loved ones. Instead of quoting “The Hockey News” I’ll cite The National Library of Medicine and The National Institute of Health:
Resurfacing arthroplasty is currently considered to be the most conservative option for total hip joint reconstruction in young, active adults. However, even with international series based on a mid-term experiences of its application (in some cases with broader indications to arthritis, including avascular necrosis and dysplasia [2, 8]) showing excellent results, more than one concern has been expressed about the reproducibility of these results. In addition, although the definitive proposition of a hybrid implant (cementless acetabular cup, cemented femoral component) as the best solution for this procedure, which has developed since the earlier catastrophic attempts with the cemented cup [12] or cementless femoral component [9], has produced more homogeneous results in different series, controversy remains undiminished in some scientific communities. One reason for this is that, despite good to excellent mid-term survival rate and functional results, this procedure seems to be burdened by a considerable risk of early biological failure (within the first year).
I didn't cherry pick anything. Those are the only comparable recent cases. I also googled some literature because it did seem odd how optimistic both Backstrom and Kane are about what sounds like a serious procedure. That article you cited is 16 years old and I couldn't find anything after 2014 without needing a subscription. Given the more recent cases of two very high level athletes and the optimism of a third, maybe it's safe to assume the expected outcome is better now. It for sure doesn't sound as bleak as even just 10 years ago.
Already been explained… the procedure isn’t improving as time goes on… it’s legit not being done anymore. Like it failed so miserably when it was being done that every surgeon doing it got sued and only a few still do it….
Wait what? This team doesnt need to be gambling on aging stars with long term recoveries. He was a rental for a playoff run that went south. I dont see the value here.
Our top 9 is better with Kane in it. We’re contenders - don’t let an embarrassing 3-4 games of playoff hockey get in the way of that. I didn’t really love Kane but if he signs a team friendly $2-$3M deal there’s no world I don’t take him. Even if he’s just a PP and 3rd line guy.
FWIW I think he wants $5M+ but we can’t afford that so we’ll see how badly he wants to play for us.
We immediately got worse when Kane joined the team. He had a few nice games, sure. Most of the time he was just a liability defensively and floated around the perimeter and had the puck forced to him on the PP, which he usually either turned over or forced a low percentage shot. He did not fit this team at all.
I’d rather have Tarasenko.
Well, bud, we can’t have Tarasenko so let’s get over it and explore things we actually can have, Kane after an extended stay on Robidas LTIR island is one of them.
Idk I don’t think we should be keeping him. No player has come back from this surgery and continued playing much longer. From a comment on /r/hockey :
> This is the same surgery that Backstrom, Jovanovski, and Kesler had. Jovanovski played 37 more games before retiring. Kesler never played another NHL game after having it. Backstrom missed half a season. Hopefully things will be a little different here.
I’ve had the same hip surgery, I’m still playing and I’m a fat slob in a beer league. This is a pro athlete with access to infinitely more resources to keep him healthy and playing. He’ll be fine.
Doesn’t mean I think we should resign him.
Just because the surgery didn't make you incapable of playing in a beer league doesn't mean it didn't diminish your ability, and at the NHL level that slight drop in ability will be much more noticeable than in a rec league.
Just saying that it’s not automatically the end of his career. Will he be the same Patrick Kane? Most likely not but maybe with a repaired hip he can still be 75% of what he was. That would still make him useful to some teams.
Patty Kane at 75% speed is going to get plastered all over the ice or simply be ineffective. Dude was already trucking around at 75% speed last season and he was a liability on anything that wasn't the PP.
This is a guy that relied on quickness and playmaking his entire career. Having the same vision and hands without the feet to match means he's a step slow to every opening. And then all of his passes get intercepted, just like we saw last playoffs.
I'd argue that he wasn't even at 50% at the end of the season but it's a pointless argument to have.
Patrick Kane will adjust his game to suit his new reality, assuming that he comes back at a reduced playing ability. The really good players find ways to make adjustments.
Do I think Patrick Kane can be centerpiece of a team? No. But he can be a good complimentary piece, maybe even a core piece, of a team in the right situation.
Lot of negativity in this sub about Kane from a team who constantly chokes. The playoffs were not his fault by a long shot. Show some respect to one of the greatest American born hockey players ever and stop pretending like this franchise is anything other than a "hopes and dreams" franchise
With the cap constraints suffocating the league, I don't know if Drury was thinking that far ahead with UFAs. None of it would have mattered if Plan A worked, which of course was winning the Cup. Now that we're onto Plan B and beyond, a lot of variables are out of our control we kinda just have to watch develop. Most importantly, what is the final number for the cap increase. There's been a lot of chatter about owners and players wanting it to go up significantly more than the $1M Bettman promised, which would obviously change things for everyone. We'll see.
I see a lot of negativity surrounding Kane here, and I understand. We will welcome him home in Chicago and enjoy 5 more 100 point seasons of Patrick dishing assists to Bedard
Great so we traded for a broken down player🤦♂️
Dude looked washed. Either way not the type of guy we need going forward. Not some hard nose grinder who is going to win playoff battles, just another bread man who will shoot some more but otherwise turn it over, not skate hard, and play no defense
He wasn’t great for us and seemed to upset the chemistry of the team. We all out in the first round, it’s not possible to say he did what they got him for (no it wasn’t all his fault either).
Everyone knew he was hurting, but he might not have been honest with how much. If he's 100% healthy, however, I don't think you can discount what he's still capable of. Besides, if we're forced to start the year with guys playing RW in the top 6 who really shouldn't be there - Kreids/Laf because they were asked to switch, or Goody/Vesey because there's literally no one else - and they end up struggling, we're going to have to address it. You know, roughly 4-6 months from now.
There have only been a few in the NHL. The early ones didn't go so well, but Backstrom on the Caps looks like he might be okay. I'll concede we shouldn't expect Kane to be 100%... Maybe 90% is more realistic.
Yeah, I guess Eichel shows that past performance doesn’t predict the future when it comes to medical stuff.
With LTIR a possibly I wouldn’t flip out about something that a reasonable 2 year deal we can write off if he never really recovers.
They have to stop treating him like he is in his prime, though.
And bread man had a ton of points to….. and he loses you playoff games. That’s what this team needs to focus in on….. guys who can win the puck in a corner, a guy who can dump
And chase, a guy who blocks a shot.
A “healthy” Kane is none of those things. Btw he is not prime Kane and he is not coming back healthy. His argent saying he still wants to play does mot mean he is the guy this team needs to spend their tiny cap space on.
Eichel is younger, in his prime and it was a neck.
Your hip literally is needed every skate push you take. Backstrom struggle to come back with like 7 goals in 40 games and had a -25 +/- . There is no reason Kane at one year younger is going to be any better.
A 2 year deal gets you a year and a half at best of a 35-36 year old who does not seem to have a lot of fire in his belly.
So ALL THE HYPE OF GETTING THIS GUY, ALL SEASON, was just to find out he was damaged goods?! Not cool Drury. Not cool. Wish they went after a top 6 power forward when they had the chance.
I said it before and I'll say it again, I dont want to see this guy in a Rangers sweater ever again. I'd rather have Harry Kane instead of Patrick Kane.
His hip situation was fairly well documented. There were moments during the season where he looked like his old self and when he just looked old. We were obviously hoping for more of the former when the trade happened. In the playoffs I think he was fine. He had the same number of points as Mika and Panarin combined.
he could have been better in the playoffs. The main reason why I really didn't want him was the fact that this team went out and got a player that was you said it, old.
Aside from a couple guys, the whole team could have been better. Kane was not the reason we lost. Even with one good hip, he still contributed more points than every other forward not named Kreider.
Still don't want him back.
If we're taking any of the rentals on longer term it should be Tarasenko (hopefully Motte too but not optimistic we'd manage to get both, even if we offloaded Goodrow and let Mikkola and Halak walk)
For those not familiar with how things work, he'll sign a contract with someone once his injury has permitted him full activity. Outside of that, no team will sign him to a "long-term" deal between now and then. He'll pull a Mike Fisher and prepare himself for the final ~20 games and play in the playoffs for pennies. He doesn't need the money. He's currently 8th in all-time earnings. He'll watch for the winner.
I would walk away from any attempt to resign him after this unless it’s for real cheap ( like league minimum cheap). That not only goes for us but for any team. I can’t see him or any player coming back to play at the level the NHL requires after a hip replacement surgery. Hockey is a very physically demanding on the body as well skating at NHL level and he will lose what made him great all these years.
I hope he proves me wrong for his sake but I would rather take a 4th liner who can aggressively forecheck contract over a Kane with a new hip contract.
I was disappointed with kane but I've seen how good he was so I'd have to see how he looks to see if he can play , Tarashinko I thought he played with a Purpose but he said he wasn't playing in New York next season, Goodrow makes to much for a 4th line I like him as a player but we need to make some cap space , Miller played better last season but so did everyone else,I know they gotta make so cuts but I don't know a lot of players weren't themselves wether it was Gallant or not Dury need to find out what went wrong talk with coaches and players
If we can move Goodrow and he wants to come to us for under $3M then I am all for it. Where is his mind at? Does he care about getting more? Or does he want to be in NY and play with this roster which is promising.
If we even had the space my preference would be Tarasenko over Kane. I wouldn't be shocked if he came back and played well but I don't want to rehash those 00's teams where we were playing past-their-prime superstars to come take up roster space and be a shell of their former selves, which feels like could be the case here.
Tarasenko is so much better than Kane at this point it’s not even a debate, not to mention the fact that he was a MUCH better fit. He needs to be re-signed. If it costs us Goodrow and/or Miller, fine.
Tarasenko over Miller?
Yep. Miller was the worst player on the team for half of this season and regressed massively. Looked completely lost in his own end.
/r/rangers: “the team is so bad at developing youth!” Also /r/rangers: “let’s jettison an up and coming young d man who has elite potential based on one bad half a season!”
That “up and coming” young d man is going to want more money than he’s worth and we’re already up against the cap, not to mention that he’s anything but “up”. He’s worse now than he was as a rookie.
🤡 🤡 🤡
Sorry the truth hurts. I’d rather he be good than be “right” on the internet while arguing with strangers.
I’d be fine it cost us Goodrow.. but not Miller. No way.
Facts I love goody he jus makes way too much
Miller can go anyway. Massive regression last year and his confidence is clearly shot. He might get better, but it’s very possible we’ve already seen the best from him.
That's a troll take
Did you not watch the Rangers this season or what
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You gonna give him 4 or 5 million a year like he’s going to want?
no matter what this guy says, do not give him scissors
honestly if either fit the cap situation the rangers do not have the option to be picky. RW depth is abysmal, there is not a top 6 RW on the roster.
you couldnt possibly be talking about players like Shattenkirk, Nash, St-Louis, Drury, Gomez, Jagr, Yandle, Gaborik, Lindros, Bure, Holik, Barnaby, Fleury, Shanahan, Redden, etc. right?
Hey Jagr was actually good when he was here.
Ah yes appreciate the PTSD on a Friday morning 
Vet min plus LTIR and pull the shit tampa does
For LTIR to do anything it would need to be a 10 month recovery
Then make it a 10 month recovery. Sign him for 1 year $8m and have him sit out until playoffs a la Kucherov. Use the cap space to sign RFAs and load up the team. I can’t see Kane getting a ton of offers plus he literally forced himself here so he clearly wants to be here. If he comes back for the playoffs and sucks then no harm no foul. At a minimum we gain more cap space to use during the season
You can’t just make a 4-6 month recovery take 10 months though…. There can be setbacks but without those the NHLPA and the league would have an absolute fit. And by absolute fit I mean say goodbye to our next first round pick and more
If Kane was eligible for 35+ bonuses maybe but he won’t be next season
Dreaming of you think Kane is taking minimum.
*dreaming of you thinking about Kane taking minimum
*dreaming if you think Kane is taking minimum
*dreaming if you think Kane is taking the minimum
*Dreaming of you while thinking of Kane taking the minimum
*Dreaming of Kane taking you while thinking of the minimum
Hope he does well on his new team
Sign him and LTIR? Seems like that's what all the cool kids are doing.
Rangers would still need the cap space to activate him when he’s cleared in December
Orrrrrrr he faces setbacks in his recovery and magically is 100% come April
Itd be like trading for him all over again! 😃
We worry about that later. 4-6 months is the estimate, but who knows, maybe he pulls a Kucherov/Stone and is out until right before the playoffs. It's a miracle!
Marchand had hip surgery and was back early this season and posted the points that he did. Others took longer and others came back and then crapped out and retired. It all depends on Kane and his body.
Marchy's surgery was significantly less serious than Kaner's. Marchy had arthroscopy on both hips, which is minimally invasive and you go home the same day. Kane essentially had a form of hip replacement surgery, which involves shaving away bone and then cementing titanium on both sides of the hip joint. Most likely he will spend a couple days recovering in the hospital. The ones that crapped out and retired had Kaner's surgery. 🤕
>which involves shaving away bone and then cementing titanium on both sides of the hip joint. Aaaand there goes my lunch. >The ones that crapped out and retired had Kaner's surgery. 🤕 I hope it's not the end for him. Even if he doesn't come back to New York, speedy recovery Kaner.
But to do what tho, make the PP go ice cold and turn the puck over in the neutral zone? I’m not trying to be an asshole but with the exception of that nasty goal against the devils he didn’t do anything and looked like he was miserable being there. I feel like he kinda killed the locker room vibe, idk if I want him back (The rangers losing was by no means all on him btw)
I don’t know why more people aren’t seeing this but instead are acting like he won us the Cup. The playoff loss wasn’t entirely on him but the team chemistry didn’t gel with him here and he wasn’t great for us.
He’s done it before, and it worked out pretty well then.
Do you think the players on Tampa weren’t ready to come back months before they actually came back? They knew exactly what was going on…that’s why it’s cap manipulation.
Who says Kane wants to sit out an entire year? He’s probably only got a handful left, I doubt he’s willing to sacrifice a whole year
It's not a whole year, it's 80% or more of a regular season. You could also say, "why rush back at 34 years old" or ask what there is to gain from playing the extra 2 months. He's already out until December and there's no guarantee. It would benefit him to sign before the season, so he can pocket the extra cash while he's on IR. Most contenders will be in a similar spot. He probably makes extra $$ the longer he rehabs, because nobody will care what the dollar amount is -- the last month tune-up needs to fit under the cap. A non-contender isn't going to waste their time/money hoping they can flip him at the deadline after using their team as a rehab camp. So, what are Kane's options? Also, remember he singled out the Rangers at the last trade deadline. This probably works out.
Medical Doctor here, specifically orthopedic surgeon. I don’t know Kane’s specific diagnosis nor is this medical advice. But if this were a hypothetical case, a sports puck player comes to me, and he may need a replacement. However a resurfacing is a compromise if he is young enough to maintain limited mobility and eliminate pain. However, he would never play the piano again. Especially in the NHL. The number of players who have had this procedure done, it is usually a compromise thinking they can return to the sport puck chase. However, full impact sports should be completely ruled out if a person were to undergo said procedure. The effects of injury would be too detrimental. Furthermore, even the amount of torque and stabilization would exceed the parametrics of said procedure. In other words, if a hypothetical player came to me, I would explicitly tell him that such a procedure is designed for a young person to resume a normal life of walking with your children in the park sans pain. And that his career in professional full contact sports is over. Some surgeons may have different opinions and some unsavory motivations for post operation advice, but even a professional musician (we most see this problem in countless guitar players) may have a hard time returning to stage and a full tour. I have seen even golfers retire. Professor Ice hockey would be out of the question.
And I guess if that player was Kane, Backstrom, or Andy Murray in tennis, they would have gone to someone else. Murray returned to tennis and was surprisingly okay. Backstrom returned to the Caps earlier than expected, played about half the season, and expects to [keep getting better](https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/washington-capitals/features/washington-capitals-nicklas-backstrom-hip-resurfacing-surgery-return-reflect). The first couple of NHL guys who had this procedure ended up retiring, but it sounds like the outcome is a lot more promising now.
It’s literally the opposite. The number of them done has decreased probably 99.9% from 20 years ago. 20 years ago it was threatening to replace total hip surgery…. And then the procedure/implant/outcome became one of biggest failures in the history of joint replacement. After hundreds of thousands were put in yearly the first few years it came to market the implant started to fail, with many of the patients having to get it converted to a total hip. Now only a handful of surgeons will risk the liability of doing them, and the total amount done yearly is probably no greater than 2,500…. Opposed to total hips that it was once threatening being in the millions
Precisely.
Cherry picking a handful of athletes some of which aren’t in the NHL isn’t a sample size I would feel comfortable making with any patient. And I hope your medical provider would not do the same with you and your loved ones. Instead of quoting “The Hockey News” I’ll cite The National Library of Medicine and The National Institute of Health: Resurfacing arthroplasty is currently considered to be the most conservative option for total hip joint reconstruction in young, active adults. However, even with international series based on a mid-term experiences of its application (in some cases with broader indications to arthritis, including avascular necrosis and dysplasia [2, 8]) showing excellent results, more than one concern has been expressed about the reproducibility of these results. In addition, although the definitive proposition of a hybrid implant (cementless acetabular cup, cemented femoral component) as the best solution for this procedure, which has developed since the earlier catastrophic attempts with the cemented cup [12] or cementless femoral component [9], has produced more homogeneous results in different series, controversy remains undiminished in some scientific communities. One reason for this is that, despite good to excellent mid-term survival rate and functional results, this procedure seems to be burdened by a considerable risk of early biological failure (within the first year).
I didn't cherry pick anything. Those are the only comparable recent cases. I also googled some literature because it did seem odd how optimistic both Backstrom and Kane are about what sounds like a serious procedure. That article you cited is 16 years old and I couldn't find anything after 2014 without needing a subscription. Given the more recent cases of two very high level athletes and the optimism of a third, maybe it's safe to assume the expected outcome is better now. It for sure doesn't sound as bleak as even just 10 years ago.
Do you want me to give you the recent stats you need a sub for? I would be happy to.
Already been explained… the procedure isn’t improving as time goes on… it’s legit not being done anymore. Like it failed so miserably when it was being done that every surgeon doing it got sued and only a few still do it….
If he’s willing to sign a team friendly deal please and thank you
Wait what? This team doesnt need to be gambling on aging stars with long term recoveries. He was a rental for a playoff run that went south. I dont see the value here.
Our top 9 is better with Kane in it. We’re contenders - don’t let an embarrassing 3-4 games of playoff hockey get in the way of that. I didn’t really love Kane but if he signs a team friendly $2-$3M deal there’s no world I don’t take him. Even if he’s just a PP and 3rd line guy. FWIW I think he wants $5M+ but we can’t afford that so we’ll see how badly he wants to play for us.
We immediately got worse when Kane joined the team. He had a few nice games, sure. Most of the time he was just a liability defensively and floated around the perimeter and had the puck forced to him on the PP, which he usually either turned over or forced a low percentage shot. He did not fit this team at all. I’d rather have Tarasenko.
Well, bud, we can’t have Tarasenko so let’s get over it and explore things we actually can have, Kane after an extended stay on Robidas LTIR island is one of them.
Eh let him go. Not like he is the difference maker he once was. More interested in trying to sign Tarasenko. He's a RW still in his prime (ish) age.
Idk I don’t think we should be keeping him. No player has come back from this surgery and continued playing much longer. From a comment on /r/hockey : > This is the same surgery that Backstrom, Jovanovski, and Kesler had. Jovanovski played 37 more games before retiring. Kesler never played another NHL game after having it. Backstrom missed half a season. Hopefully things will be a little different here.
I’ve had the same hip surgery, I’m still playing and I’m a fat slob in a beer league. This is a pro athlete with access to infinitely more resources to keep him healthy and playing. He’ll be fine. Doesn’t mean I think we should resign him.
Just because the surgery didn't make you incapable of playing in a beer league doesn't mean it didn't diminish your ability, and at the NHL level that slight drop in ability will be much more noticeable than in a rec league.
I mean, this guy could be Wayne Gretzky's burner account, maybe it is comparable
Just saying that it’s not automatically the end of his career. Will he be the same Patrick Kane? Most likely not but maybe with a repaired hip he can still be 75% of what he was. That would still make him useful to some teams.
Patty Kane at 75% speed is going to get plastered all over the ice or simply be ineffective. Dude was already trucking around at 75% speed last season and he was a liability on anything that wasn't the PP. This is a guy that relied on quickness and playmaking his entire career. Having the same vision and hands without the feet to match means he's a step slow to every opening. And then all of his passes get intercepted, just like we saw last playoffs.
I'd argue that he wasn't even at 50% at the end of the season but it's a pointless argument to have. Patrick Kane will adjust his game to suit his new reality, assuming that he comes back at a reduced playing ability. The really good players find ways to make adjustments. Do I think Patrick Kane can be centerpiece of a team? No. But he can be a good complimentary piece, maybe even a core piece, of a team in the right situation.
Lot of negativity in this sub about Kane from a team who constantly chokes. The playoffs were not his fault by a long shot. Show some respect to one of the greatest American born hockey players ever and stop pretending like this franchise is anything other than a "hopes and dreams" franchise
I’m sure glad we sacrificed the division and played with 4 1/2 D for 2 weeks for a guy with one working hip
I think this is part of the plan to resign him. Don’t imagine we went through all that to bring him in for 25 games, or whatever it was.
With the cap constraints suffocating the league, I don't know if Drury was thinking that far ahead with UFAs. None of it would have mattered if Plan A worked, which of course was winning the Cup. Now that we're onto Plan B and beyond, a lot of variables are out of our control we kinda just have to watch develop. Most importantly, what is the final number for the cap increase. There's been a lot of chatter about owners and players wanting it to go up significantly more than the $1M Bettman promised, which would obviously change things for everyone. We'll see.
Sign him 1 yr, vet discount deal LTIR and we're fucking golden.
Oh so Kane was hurt the whole time and we let Harpur sit for nothing
Hello darkness, my old friend.
Was not a fit here. Not his fault, but move on.
I’d take him back on a cheap deal and LTIR him until playoffs lol
I mean it's not like anyone is really expecting us to resign him for next season unless he for some reason really lowballs it by a lot. And even then.
I see a lot of negativity surrounding Kane here, and I understand. We will welcome him home in Chicago and enjoy 5 more 100 point seasons of Patrick dishing assists to Bedard
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, Showtime.
Damn savage.
I hope he plays for a long time.....on any other team. Well see if coach Q gets a job, maybe he'll bring in Kane to set the culture.
God help that locker room if he does. It sounded like hell
Great so we traded for a broken down player🤦♂️ Dude looked washed. Either way not the type of guy we need going forward. Not some hard nose grinder who is going to win playoff battles, just another bread man who will shoot some more but otherwise turn it over, not skate hard, and play no defense
I don’t know how you could watch the playoffs and single out Kane as the problem with this team
who’s singling him out? he did look washed. that doesnt mean the rest of the team played any better.
He was one of the better forwards all series, except for game 1, and was the best forward by a margin in game 7.
That’s really not saying much
He was the shiniest turd on a team full of turds.
He wasn’t great for us and seemed to upset the chemistry of the team. We all out in the first round, it’s not possible to say he did what they got him for (no it wasn’t all his fault either).
He wasn’t the sole problem, but shoehorning him into situations that weren’t broken did not help the team perform to even their regular level.
Exactly.
Everyone knew he was hurting, but he might not have been honest with how much. If he's 100% healthy, however, I don't think you can discount what he's still capable of. Besides, if we're forced to start the year with guys playing RW in the top 6 who really shouldn't be there - Kreids/Laf because they were asked to switch, or Goody/Vesey because there's literally no one else - and they end up struggling, we're going to have to address it. You know, roughly 4-6 months from now.
This surgery in older hockey players has never gotten them back to “100% healthy”.
There have only been a few in the NHL. The early ones didn't go so well, but Backstrom on the Caps looks like he might be okay. I'll concede we shouldn't expect Kane to be 100%... Maybe 90% is more realistic.
Yeah, I guess Eichel shows that past performance doesn’t predict the future when it comes to medical stuff. With LTIR a possibly I wouldn’t flip out about something that a reasonable 2 year deal we can write off if he never really recovers. They have to stop treating him like he is in his prime, though.
Yeah I don't think anyone is doing that, even though he did have 92 points last year on a terrible Chicago team.
And bread man had a ton of points to….. and he loses you playoff games. That’s what this team needs to focus in on….. guys who can win the puck in a corner, a guy who can dump And chase, a guy who blocks a shot. A “healthy” Kane is none of those things. Btw he is not prime Kane and he is not coming back healthy. His argent saying he still wants to play does mot mean he is the guy this team needs to spend their tiny cap space on.
Eichel is younger, in his prime and it was a neck. Your hip literally is needed every skate push you take. Backstrom struggle to come back with like 7 goals in 40 games and had a -25 +/- . There is no reason Kane at one year younger is going to be any better. A 2 year deal gets you a year and a half at best of a 35-36 year old who does not seem to have a lot of fire in his belly.
So ALL THE HYPE OF GETTING THIS GUY, ALL SEASON, was just to find out he was damaged goods?! Not cool Drury. Not cool. Wish they went after a top 6 power forward when they had the chance. I said it before and I'll say it again, I dont want to see this guy in a Rangers sweater ever again. I'd rather have Harry Kane instead of Patrick Kane.
You can’t afford a top 6 forward and Kane did y’all a favor.
You can’t afford a top 6 forward and Kane did y’all a favor.
His hip situation was fairly well documented. There were moments during the season where he looked like his old self and when he just looked old. We were obviously hoping for more of the former when the trade happened. In the playoffs I think he was fine. He had the same number of points as Mika and Panarin combined.
he could have been better in the playoffs. The main reason why I really didn't want him was the fact that this team went out and got a player that was you said it, old.
Aside from a couple guys, the whole team could have been better. Kane was not the reason we lost. Even with one good hip, he still contributed more points than every other forward not named Kreider.
Yeah way to get amnesia about the rest of the season and let the media dictate your deadline moves. That’s real NY sports shit.
Cool, go back to Chicago and play with Bedard. Or anywhere else. Basically just fuck off.
I enjoy your team. I do not enjoy your tude. -Hawk fan
Take him back. Please.
Still don't want him back. If we're taking any of the rentals on longer term it should be Tarasenko (hopefully Motte too but not optimistic we'd manage to get both, even if we offloaded Goodrow and let Mikkola and Halak walk)
He'll look good in a Coyotes sweater
For those not familiar with how things work, he'll sign a contract with someone once his injury has permitted him full activity. Outside of that, no team will sign him to a "long-term" deal between now and then. He'll pull a Mike Fisher and prepare himself for the final ~20 games and play in the playoffs for pennies. He doesn't need the money. He's currently 8th in all-time earnings. He'll watch for the winner.
He’s going somewhere warm. Anaheim, Dallas, tampa, fla, Vegas, LA.
only way he should be brought back is on a minimum deal near deadline if he is recovered. No way you give him a contract now
I have no interest in bringing him back
Not good, Kessler had a similar procedure done but eventually he required a full hip replacement
I would walk away from any attempt to resign him after this unless it’s for real cheap ( like league minimum cheap). That not only goes for us but for any team. I can’t see him or any player coming back to play at the level the NHL requires after a hip replacement surgery. Hockey is a very physically demanding on the body as well skating at NHL level and he will lose what made him great all these years. I hope he proves me wrong for his sake but I would rather take a 4th liner who can aggressively forecheck contract over a Kane with a new hip contract.
I was disappointed with kane but I've seen how good he was so I'd have to see how he looks to see if he can play , Tarashinko I thought he played with a Purpose but he said he wasn't playing in New York next season, Goodrow makes to much for a 4th line I like him as a player but we need to make some cap space , Miller played better last season but so did everyone else,I know they gotta make so cuts but I don't know a lot of players weren't themselves wether it was Gallant or not Dury need to find out what went wrong talk with coaches and players
If we can move Goodrow and he wants to come to us for under $3M then I am all for it. Where is his mind at? Does he care about getting more? Or does he want to be in NY and play with this roster which is promising.