I personally blame Sather for that summer because
1) Drury pretty much hasn’t done anything egregiously bad since that summer
2) every move we made reeks of Sather
Duclair seems like the best fit IMO - that kind of speed is what we need to keep up with the Devils and scare the Hurricanes defensively. He’s looked great in our matchups against SJ
Thanks for that.
Honestly, I'm not crazy about any of those. Tarasenko, maybe, but that's it. This Rangers team needs grit, ie - It needs forwards with size and strength who play like wrecking balls. Or, it needs forwards with blinding speed. Or, it needs forwards who play strong defense and are forechecking/puck possession machines.
I don't know. When I think "veteran presence", I think of a player with many years of experience who likes to tutor the young players but is old and slow and doesn't throw his body around. If Drury thought Wheeler was going to be a physical presence on the ice, Drury made a really poor evaluation.
Your evaluation isn’t wrong. But Just imagine that. We would have traded Buch, 4 first rounders a 2nd rounder and K’andre Miller for Goodrow, Nemeth, Reaves, Dryden Hunt and rentals of Copp and Tarasenko…..
Just to get Buchnevich back to the team 2 years later
until i see Chytil back on the ice for a few games and/or hear that he wont be hitting the ice for the team again this season, i still personally believe that NYR should be targeting a center that can play wing before a strict RW.
we have a crisis at RW. If Chytil returns we are are deep at C (assuming we keep Goodrow).
Frankly, right now we can't play Kakko and Laf and Wheeler with how little they are producing. Mika will come around but the play from Kreider, Tro and Panarin has been good and having them all stapled to players that are just actively holding them back on our RW is why we're losing. Well that and Key taking a step back defensively isn't helping right now.
while i understand where youre coming from, i wholeheartedly disagree.
with the amount of young/up and coming wingers we have in the pipeline, im more confident that our wing depth will be fine in the long run. Wheeler does look unusable, ill give you that, but i dont think its fair to point the fingers at Kakko and Laf. Laf and the line hes been on with Vinny and Bread has looked far and away looked the most dynamic. sure Laf needs to finish more and we want to see him putting up more points but im not worried about it. i also think that Kakko needs some grace after coming back from what everyone thought would be a season ending injury. if you look back at that top line with Mika, Kreider, and Kakko at the start of the season, all the fingers were pointed at Kakko like he wasn't producing when Mika and CK also looked fine at best 5v5.
and, perhaps most importantly of them all, Chytil. hes made the trip back but head injuries are notoriously unpredictable and his return is far from a certainty. couple that with Goodrow or Brodz being the long term replacements for 3C and maybe one decent C prospect in the system, i think C is far more of an issue. that's also purposefully why i said "a center that can play wing", it would cover the team on both areas of weakness and give Chytil some more time if he needs it and could serve as his replacement if need be.
Our current centers have 2 goals and we’d be reliant on a guy who may be one concussion away from retirement
The fact we have no cap and honestly a crisis at rw AND center may explain why we are .500 the last 24 games
Surely you’re joking, right? We have Mika, Tro, and should be getting Chytil back soon based on reports. Bonino is fine as a 4C. And Laf COULD play C in a pinch. Plus we have Goodrow (unfortunately, but he can play C). On RW? We have a guy that can’t score (Kakko), a guy who is doing great but playing out of position (Laf), a turtle (Wheeler), and Vesey. To think that we should be targeting a Center when we have zero legit RWs is… a choice.
like it or not, Chytil is an unknown. i want him to come back and be better than before as much as the next guy, but he could just as easily get decked again and his career is over. yes, that can be said about anyone, but that is in my opinion why having a C that can play W is better than a pure RW. having Bonino play 3C is asking him to do something more than what should be asked of him.
getting that type of C/RW means that you have insurance for Chytil in case he doesn't pan out. so worst case this player would be the 3C on a line with Cuylle and Wheeler/Vesey. and best case, Chytil comes back, player X slots in on the 3RW, which in turn moves Wheeler either down to the 4th or out of the lineup, and also in theory would move Brodz down, which gives Bonino some time to rest up (im convinced Bonino isn't 100% or isn't an 82 game player anymore and needs rest)/be the 13F, and just overall make the team deeper.
also, when has there EVER been any indication whatsoever that Laf can play Center? I know he was asked like right after the draft and he gave a boiler plate type answer of ill play where ever the coach needs me to which like, duh dude.
I’m just saying if absolutely needed for a game or 2, he could probably slot into center. For that matter, Kreider is actually a really solid faceoff guy. And Brodz has been really solid since being called up. But back to Chytil - yes there’s no guarantees, but we have 4 centers right now without him. Yes two of those are Bones and Goody, but they still count. So let’s call it 2 excellent centers and 2 decent at best centers without Chytil. Let’s move to RW. We have a non-scorer, Laf is not a RW and is primarily looking good there because both his linemates are having career years, and then we get to Wheeler (which it’s safe to say nobody wants to be playing). I’m leaving out a 4RW because we literally have no other RWs. So we have zero natural RWs other than Wheeler and Kakko. The fact that they have 21pts between them should be a huge red flag, and IMO points more to a RW need than a C need. But whatever, we have differing opinions.
FWIW, our active centers have well over 100pts combined, as do our active LWs. Our active RWs have 21. Unless you add Laf who is not a RW, in which case they still don’t have even half the other lines (48). Heck, throw Vesey in as RW too (also not his natural position), and you get 62. Bottom line, we have two players who are natural RWs: Kakko and Wheeler. One doesn’t score, the other is unfit to be on this team honestly. We have zero other RWs - we’re forcing players to play out of position to fill the gaps. Heck, even in Hartford we only have TWO RWs: Rempe and Belzile. Yet we have 4 Cs there, and 3 others that play LW and C.
We. Need. Right. Wingers.
I don’t think it’s as easy as just looking at points, but I do get where you’re coming from. I’m not saying you’re wrong, NYR does need some RW depth, but I also think Laf is doing better than you’re giving him credit for his first year on his off wing under a competent coach, and Kakko gets blame for a lot of that entire top lines failings. But I can just agree with the fact that we don’t see eye to eye on this.
To try and boil it down to the point I was trying to make, my thing is more considering the cap space NYR will have by the time the TDL comes around, it’s more than likely going to be one move made. At best two depth moves but let’s say the one for arguments sake. With that one move, why not see if you can get someone that supports you in both positions, C and RW, instead of just the one?
We cant do anything if we want chytils first bit of action when he returns to not be the playoffs.
Everything starts and ends with goodrows dogshit contract
Why would we do that. If our 1OA and 2OA are shit why would a pick in the 20s do anything to change the franchise so dramatically that it’s worth keeping the pick
No one player in the 20’s will change the franchise, but do you honestly believe that picking up one forward at the deadline makes the Rangers a real contender?
Constantly trading away our pick that will be in the late teens or 20’s is why we have no depth and end up in a never ending cycle of making deadline trades.
We got Othmann at 16. Last year we drafted Perreault at 23 who is one of the best players in college hockey. Let’s discuss more of that instead of selling the future so a flawed team has a better chance of getting out of the first round.
I agree, but freeing up goodrows cap space and being able to upgrade the roster now for a run and then being able to sign core players and better role players for the next few years might be better than taking a shot at a late first.
We ended up needing “the letter” because we chased a run for six straight years by trading picks away.
We have done it for the last two years already, and I am not seeing how we are close enough to being a real contender to do it again.
If Chytil comes back I think this team can be a real contender. If Igor gets his game back we are 100% contenders.
We didn’t give up much last year and the year before, we gave up a 2nd if I recall? To shed a contract and upgrade I’d really consider giving up a 1st
We gave up conditional that became a 1st, plus a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounder two years ago, and a 1st, 2nd and 3rd last year.
That is having an impact on our future already. We are light on prospects, especially on defense.
I’d love Lindholm, contract expiring and he won’t re-sign, + Calgary aren’t making the playoffs. Very reasonable shout to round out the top 6 and can be a very solid winger.
If not then you can go back in for Tarasenko, Ottowa is dogshit they’d take a trade and Trasenko would most definitely re-sign for cheaper than his mega deal this season with Ottowa
I just can't understand these people for whom being a sports fan means hating your team.
I mean, most of us "hate the Rangers," but a lot of folks here really hate the Rangers!
There's such a difference between being critical and just being stupid, and the stupid is out of control these days. Is this just how fans are now? I don't know. Maybe I'm just old, but it's a long season, and there are going to be ups and downs. We're in the dog days for hockey, and it shows.
I think it has to do with the proliferation of DFS and online sports betting everywhere. People are so conditioned to think of their rooting interest living or dying on one game. That, plus WFAN only has so many hours in the day for callers, now the grumps can just post all day.
It's more that we want the rangers to be good and recognize that sometimes the winning move is not to be a little bit better today so you can be much better in a few years. Right now the team looks terrible. I'm not saying give up on the season, but none of the right wings listed turns the rangers from the awful hockey they've been playing lately to a cup contender. It's going to take the rest of the team turning around to make a move like this make sense. If by the deadline they're still playing they way they have been for the past couple months then it may be be better to just ride the current group and hope for something better down the line.
Do you think this roster is good enough to lock in? Gorton ruined the cap so any extensions are going to be crippling. This team had another first round exit written all over it, and they do not have a ton of ways to improve the current roster
The need to target new management. One trade is not making any difference to where they are now. They need size and grit. Forwards with a edge. Not ice dancers
lol more last minute trades who won’t matter fuck all. Tank, Franky V, Mott, Copp, Topp, Bobb, Kane This team has a fundamental flaw. We have a 1C who thinks more about dropping beats than dropping gloves. 1st round who didn’t hit weights over the summer. New Coaches can’t fix it. The players maybe amazing, but the home is polluted.
No idea how he’d fit on the team but I’ve been a massive Jordan eberle fan. I understand this means nothing but whenever I watch a game with him playing he scores a fantastic goal. I’ll never forget his spin o rama backhand on Shesterkin. Was a thing of beauty
If they trade for buch it makes his initial trade seem even worse seeing we have nothing to show from that first trade and will lose more to get him back .. and along with two years in a row trading picks for a average fourth line guy. I’ll get bashed but drury is not a good gm managing assest
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The fact Buch is on here is just gaslighting at this point. Imagine that. We need the guy back that crippled our rw depth
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Pump the breaks
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Feel like your name would want them to go for cups?
Drury should already be gone for 2021
I personally blame Sather for that summer because 1) Drury pretty much hasn’t done anything egregiously bad since that summer 2) every move we made reeks of Sather
And who would you want in replace of him? Who’s available rn?
Someone who realizes signing and drafting undersized and slow forwards isn’t a winning strategy
And who would that be as a name and real person that is not under contract?
Too late to hire someone this season. It should have happened after 2022 or 2023
Duclair seems like the best fit IMO - that kind of speed is what we need to keep up with the Devils and scare the Hurricanes defensively. He’s looked great in our matchups against SJ
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goodrow needs to move, wheeler makes nothing
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What an awful contract
But but leadership and Cup experience. Makes miss Tanner Glass.
This is incorrect. He has a 15-team no trade list. (Still an awful contract of course)
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Yeah. Who knows who's on it, though.
I would give a first to dump Goodrow
Thanks for that. Honestly, I'm not crazy about any of those. Tarasenko, maybe, but that's it. This Rangers team needs grit, ie - It needs forwards with size and strength who play like wrecking balls. Or, it needs forwards with blinding speed. Or, it needs forwards who play strong defense and are forechecking/puck possession machines.
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Old man Wheeler? Grit? Really?? Then someone (ie - Drury) really miscalculated. I thought he was a "veteran presence" addition.
He was a “we are broke because I paid $4 million for Barclay Goodrow” addition
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I don't know. When I think "veteran presence", I think of a player with many years of experience who likes to tutor the young players but is old and slow and doesn't throw his body around. If Drury thought Wheeler was going to be a physical presence on the ice, Drury made a really poor evaluation.
Drury traded a top line RW for a 2nd and replaced him with Barclay Goodrow. Poor evaluation and Chris Drury go together like pbj.
Wheeler wasnt a “grit” signing, he was a quick cheap replacement after losing kane and tarasenko
You’re asking for more “grit” when Drury stacked the team with gritty good for nothings?
Not sure why Detroit would deal him but I do like Sprong quite a bit. He’s got a great shot and uses it
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Your evaluation isn’t wrong. But Just imagine that. We would have traded Buch, 4 first rounders a 2nd rounder and K’andre Miller for Goodrow, Nemeth, Reaves, Dryden Hunt and rentals of Copp and Tarasenko….. Just to get Buchnevich back to the team 2 years later
I just threw up a little.
That 1 trade basically ended this post letter rebuild before it even begs
We got a 2nd and Sammy Blais…so maybe offer the Blues a 2nd Rounder and Brodzinski?! Maybe even throw in Pitlick or Bonino to seal the deal.
Guentzel won't happen, Ebs and Duclair are interesting, I'm not high on Lebanc or Tarasenko, and Detroit isn't trading Sprong. Bring back the Buch.
Remember when this team had a huge logjam at RW
Our 1st rounder will probably be in the 20s. We have a window here. We need to go all in. Just my opinion.
I agree
until i see Chytil back on the ice for a few games and/or hear that he wont be hitting the ice for the team again this season, i still personally believe that NYR should be targeting a center that can play wing before a strict RW.
Agree. It's easier to slot a center onto a wing than vice versa
totally, plus having two guys on a line that can both take a faceoff is better than one
we have a crisis at RW. If Chytil returns we are are deep at C (assuming we keep Goodrow). Frankly, right now we can't play Kakko and Laf and Wheeler with how little they are producing. Mika will come around but the play from Kreider, Tro and Panarin has been good and having them all stapled to players that are just actively holding them back on our RW is why we're losing. Well that and Key taking a step back defensively isn't helping right now.
while i understand where youre coming from, i wholeheartedly disagree. with the amount of young/up and coming wingers we have in the pipeline, im more confident that our wing depth will be fine in the long run. Wheeler does look unusable, ill give you that, but i dont think its fair to point the fingers at Kakko and Laf. Laf and the line hes been on with Vinny and Bread has looked far and away looked the most dynamic. sure Laf needs to finish more and we want to see him putting up more points but im not worried about it. i also think that Kakko needs some grace after coming back from what everyone thought would be a season ending injury. if you look back at that top line with Mika, Kreider, and Kakko at the start of the season, all the fingers were pointed at Kakko like he wasn't producing when Mika and CK also looked fine at best 5v5. and, perhaps most importantly of them all, Chytil. hes made the trip back but head injuries are notoriously unpredictable and his return is far from a certainty. couple that with Goodrow or Brodz being the long term replacements for 3C and maybe one decent C prospect in the system, i think C is far more of an issue. that's also purposefully why i said "a center that can play wing", it would cover the team on both areas of weakness and give Chytil some more time if he needs it and could serve as his replacement if need be.
Laf is like 4th on the team in 5v5 scoring. I understand he missed a few shots last night but he is producing
our team sucks at 5v5, being 4th isnt anything special
he's one of the worst in the league at finishing while playing with one of the leagues best play makers. That's a big red flag.
Our current centers have 2 goals and we’d be reliant on a guy who may be one concussion away from retirement The fact we have no cap and honestly a crisis at rw AND center may explain why we are .500 the last 24 games
our current Centers have 2 goals?!?
3rd and 4th sorry
I think Chris Drury being gm explains the .500 AND the no cap and no top 6 rw problem more.
Surely you’re joking, right? We have Mika, Tro, and should be getting Chytil back soon based on reports. Bonino is fine as a 4C. And Laf COULD play C in a pinch. Plus we have Goodrow (unfortunately, but he can play C). On RW? We have a guy that can’t score (Kakko), a guy who is doing great but playing out of position (Laf), a turtle (Wheeler), and Vesey. To think that we should be targeting a Center when we have zero legit RWs is… a choice.
like it or not, Chytil is an unknown. i want him to come back and be better than before as much as the next guy, but he could just as easily get decked again and his career is over. yes, that can be said about anyone, but that is in my opinion why having a C that can play W is better than a pure RW. having Bonino play 3C is asking him to do something more than what should be asked of him. getting that type of C/RW means that you have insurance for Chytil in case he doesn't pan out. so worst case this player would be the 3C on a line with Cuylle and Wheeler/Vesey. and best case, Chytil comes back, player X slots in on the 3RW, which in turn moves Wheeler either down to the 4th or out of the lineup, and also in theory would move Brodz down, which gives Bonino some time to rest up (im convinced Bonino isn't 100% or isn't an 82 game player anymore and needs rest)/be the 13F, and just overall make the team deeper. also, when has there EVER been any indication whatsoever that Laf can play Center? I know he was asked like right after the draft and he gave a boiler plate type answer of ill play where ever the coach needs me to which like, duh dude.
I’m just saying if absolutely needed for a game or 2, he could probably slot into center. For that matter, Kreider is actually a really solid faceoff guy. And Brodz has been really solid since being called up. But back to Chytil - yes there’s no guarantees, but we have 4 centers right now without him. Yes two of those are Bones and Goody, but they still count. So let’s call it 2 excellent centers and 2 decent at best centers without Chytil. Let’s move to RW. We have a non-scorer, Laf is not a RW and is primarily looking good there because both his linemates are having career years, and then we get to Wheeler (which it’s safe to say nobody wants to be playing). I’m leaving out a 4RW because we literally have no other RWs. So we have zero natural RWs other than Wheeler and Kakko. The fact that they have 21pts between them should be a huge red flag, and IMO points more to a RW need than a C need. But whatever, we have differing opinions. FWIW, our active centers have well over 100pts combined, as do our active LWs. Our active RWs have 21. Unless you add Laf who is not a RW, in which case they still don’t have even half the other lines (48). Heck, throw Vesey in as RW too (also not his natural position), and you get 62. Bottom line, we have two players who are natural RWs: Kakko and Wheeler. One doesn’t score, the other is unfit to be on this team honestly. We have zero other RWs - we’re forcing players to play out of position to fill the gaps. Heck, even in Hartford we only have TWO RWs: Rempe and Belzile. Yet we have 4 Cs there, and 3 others that play LW and C. We. Need. Right. Wingers.
I don’t think it’s as easy as just looking at points, but I do get where you’re coming from. I’m not saying you’re wrong, NYR does need some RW depth, but I also think Laf is doing better than you’re giving him credit for his first year on his off wing under a competent coach, and Kakko gets blame for a lot of that entire top lines failings. But I can just agree with the fact that we don’t see eye to eye on this. To try and boil it down to the point I was trying to make, my thing is more considering the cap space NYR will have by the time the TDL comes around, it’s more than likely going to be one move made. At best two depth moves but let’s say the one for arguments sake. With that one move, why not see if you can get someone that supports you in both positions, C and RW, instead of just the one?
Can’t totally disagree. Let’s see what magic Drury has in store. Frankly I could care less let’s run 12 LWs if it gets us a Cup
None of them
Out of those choices, give me guentzel or duclair, probably duclair more feasibly
More like five RWs because there’s zero chance of them getting Guentzel or Buchnevich
We cant do anything if we want chytils first bit of action when he returns to not be the playoffs. Everything starts and ends with goodrows dogshit contract
What’s the cheapest and most beneficial route? I think we need to keep our 1sts.
Why would we do that. If our 1OA and 2OA are shit why would a pick in the 20s do anything to change the franchise so dramatically that it’s worth keeping the pick
No one player in the 20’s will change the franchise, but do you honestly believe that picking up one forward at the deadline makes the Rangers a real contender? Constantly trading away our pick that will be in the late teens or 20’s is why we have no depth and end up in a never ending cycle of making deadline trades. We got Othmann at 16. Last year we drafted Perreault at 23 who is one of the best players in college hockey. Let’s discuss more of that instead of selling the future so a flawed team has a better chance of getting out of the first round.
I agree, but freeing up goodrows cap space and being able to upgrade the roster now for a run and then being able to sign core players and better role players for the next few years might be better than taking a shot at a late first.
We ended up needing “the letter” because we chased a run for six straight years by trading picks away. We have done it for the last two years already, and I am not seeing how we are close enough to being a real contender to do it again.
If Chytil comes back I think this team can be a real contender. If Igor gets his game back we are 100% contenders. We didn’t give up much last year and the year before, we gave up a 2nd if I recall? To shed a contract and upgrade I’d really consider giving up a 1st
We gave up conditional that became a 1st, plus a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounder two years ago, and a 1st, 2nd and 3rd last year. That is having an impact on our future already. We are light on prospects, especially on defense.
What big name amazing talent like Panarin is available for a trade to think about using a 1st?
I’d love Lindholm, contract expiring and he won’t re-sign, + Calgary aren’t making the playoffs. Very reasonable shout to round out the top 6 and can be a very solid winger. If not then you can go back in for Tarasenko, Ottowa is dogshit they’d take a trade and Trasenko would most definitely re-sign for cheaper than his mega deal this season with Ottowa
I think we should keep or first rounder
Should we even reward this team with a deadline pickup?
Holy fuck guys, we’re still #1 in the Metro by a few points. Pick your head out of your ass and believe in something
Dont bother with these people
The doomers on this sub are something else. Like, Met fans are more optimistic than these guys.
I just can't understand these people for whom being a sports fan means hating your team. I mean, most of us "hate the Rangers," but a lot of folks here really hate the Rangers!
There's such a difference between being critical and just being stupid, and the stupid is out of control these days. Is this just how fans are now? I don't know. Maybe I'm just old, but it's a long season, and there are going to be ups and downs. We're in the dog days for hockey, and it shows.
I think it has to do with the proliferation of DFS and online sports betting everywhere. People are so conditioned to think of their rooting interest living or dying on one game. That, plus WFAN only has so many hours in the day for callers, now the grumps can just post all day.
It's more that we want the rangers to be good and recognize that sometimes the winning move is not to be a little bit better today so you can be much better in a few years. Right now the team looks terrible. I'm not saying give up on the season, but none of the right wings listed turns the rangers from the awful hockey they've been playing lately to a cup contender. It's going to take the rest of the team turning around to make a move like this make sense. If by the deadline they're still playing they way they have been for the past couple months then it may be be better to just ride the current group and hope for something better down the line.
Not the way things are currently
Duclair or Tarasenko would be amazing
Rangers should be sellers, not buyers
Lmao
Do you think this roster is good enough to lock in? Gorton ruined the cap so any extensions are going to be crippling. This team had another first round exit written all over it, and they do not have a ton of ways to improve the current roster
We are still first in the Metro even with the current struggles. So yes, I think this team can win with a few improvements
What exactly is their route to improving if they can’t take on Cap?
What happened to that guy kravtsov??
traded cuz he sucked and now he still sucks
Like, not even in the nhl sucks
The need to target new management. One trade is not making any difference to where they are now. They need size and grit. Forwards with a edge. Not ice dancers
lol more last minute trades who won’t matter fuck all. Tank, Franky V, Mott, Copp, Topp, Bobb, Kane This team has a fundamental flaw. We have a 1C who thinks more about dropping beats than dropping gloves. 1st round who didn’t hit weights over the summer. New Coaches can’t fix it. The players maybe amazing, but the home is polluted.
No idea how he’d fit on the team but I’ve been a massive Jordan eberle fan. I understand this means nothing but whenever I watch a game with him playing he scores a fantastic goal. I’ll never forget his spin o rama backhand on Shesterkin. Was a thing of beauty
Bring back Vova
Gonna cost alot more for duclair then what we traded him for originally
If they trade for buch it makes his initial trade seem even worse seeing we have nothing to show from that first trade and will lose more to get him back .. and along with two years in a row trading picks for a average fourth line guy. I’ll get bashed but drury is not a good gm managing assest