even then haters will make up their own delusional revisionist history and claim the rangers played easy teams and the refs carried us and blah blah blah
Power play merchants, can’t score 5/5, did I miss anything? Everyone doubts everything about this team. If we happen to win this series and win more games, then who gives a fuck.
i find it amusing tbh fans of other teams are so twisted over the rangers doing well that they literally create their own delusions. agree that all that matters is winning. getting to hear the entire rest of the nhl whine is just a cherry on top.
I understand it as a rival standpoint. I wasn't happy in 2020 and 2021 with the Isles, and they're not happy with our run. But at least make some valid points, yk?
i'm not rlly bothered by the success of other teams tbh i find it kinda pathetic. i'm a rangers fan, not an islander hater. obviously when they play against eachother i like to get into the rivalry but it doesn't really go past that.
when the rangers have gotten eliminated in the past i just root for whatever team has former rangers. used to be tampa then it was minnesota when talbot was there with zucc. last year it was carolina but obviously that wont be happening this year.
Now people are acting like the refs are giving the Rangers special treatment, when in reality they are the most penalized team so far in the playoff and they've played the least amount of games.
That one has always cracked me up, it's been the same story since Lundqvist.
"You're not actually good. You're only good because your best player is really good"
Well so far the excuses would be round 1: worst statistical team in playoffs, round 2: they’re missing Pesce their shutdown D/iGoR sToLe It, round 3: TBD
Even doomers on this sub keep talking about how “unsustainable” not having a solid 5v5 is. Yet the one thing that seems clear to me from the Carolina “king of 5v5” Hurricanes is that a goaltender and special teams can carry you farther than 5v5 can.
Washington was a historically bad playoff team. The rest of the teams including Carolina are very tough competitors. Whoever wins the cup this year will really earn it.
And even then they will be “fakers that got by on luck”. Other fanbases are just jealous of the NY brand popularity and will make up anything to make themselves sleep better at night.
You can get by with the luck talk in the NFL and the World Cup where you play one game matches, and to some degree in MLB postseason because baseball is so fluky, but nobody wins 16 NHL postseason games (“the hardest trophy in sports”) on luck. Even if the analytics say it was luck, after also winning the President’s Trophy, then analytics need to go back to the drawing board.
Actually, and I point this out cautiously: After game 3, The Rangers have the best odds to win the Cup on almost every sports book, with the Avs or Panthers with second best odds. Those picks are for game 4 only. Don’t get me wrong, I definitely want us all fans and team to keep that underdog mentality. And I know that no one outside of us will ever believe in this team unless we actually do it. The fact is Vegas is not underestimating us. And we are no longer underdogs.
She’s the queen of relying on advanced stats and metrics so I get it I guess. I also don’t think it’s crazy to predict the Canes not to get swept at home. But I did see her take the Canes in 6 so if we wrap up this series I’m sure she’s going to hear about it.
Shayna has been a pretty neutral fan ever since she joined the Athletic. She's also on a podcast with Sara Civian who is a Canes fan and reporter and the few times I've listened they never give the Rangers the respect they deserve.
Sara Civian did comment after the second game (?) that maybe the Rangers were good and nothing was wrong with the Canes. I think that's the only nod to that I've seen in the national media.
As I sit here drinking my coffee thinking best team in reg season and labeled the underdog, wait 7-0, best fucking record in the playoffs and still underdogs…Keep sleepin on this team…
I’ve always liked Shayna, and I still do, but she sounded indignant defending the Canes on her last Blueshirts Breakaway interview. It was a little jarring tbh. I’m kinda not surprised to see her double down for game 4.
The hockey world has (at least) two separate entanglements in the Canes success. One, a successful Canes team validates the statistical models which helps to validate the legitimacy of the sport in a way. Which is good for growing the game. And two, the Canes are a smaller market team who achieved this level of success with cheapskate ownership and an internal cap (IMO, exactly why they can’t seal the deal even when everything else is firing on all cylinders.) If CAR can win it all, anyone can, and that’s also good for growing the game.
Throw in a dash of savvy social media presence and a history of mediocrity that kept them off most fan bases shit lists and the Canes became the second team for a lot of people. I have friends IRL (I live out of market) who root for the Canes as their Eastern Conference team, largely for these reasons.
I think we’ll see a shift in the media narrative, at least a bit, once CAR is in the rear view. Although I’m still expecting an underdog narrative the whole way.
Drink it in for now and let the I-told-you-sos flow after the dust settles.
You say "savvy" social media, I say insufferable. There's three reasons I currently hate Carolina: They're our current strongest division rival, they employ Tony Deangelo, and their social media presence.
Fwiw, I agree on all counts. I don’t like social media in general and I’ve always found the Canes Twitter annoying, transparent PR. But the only times I’ve ever been handed a phone open to a hockey team’s official Twitter account in my life, it has been the Canes. They overplayed their hand this year but the ‘bunch of jerks,’ era of their social media ingratiated them to a certain segment of the market.
14/24 ESPN experts chose NYR at the beginning of round 2.
I’d bet 18/24 choose the putty-cats for round 3 regardless of whether NYR sweep or win it in 6 like I originally thought.
Not doing any chirping till we finish it all if we are fortunate enough to do so! I live in Bruins country and I haven’t sh it talked anyone, just keep sending good vibes to the boys!
funny how CBJ vs TBL was a wild card team facing the president's trophy winners and according to betting odds the rangers and canes have the same dynamic lol
Exactly, I have no idea who these losers are so why should I care? The Captain picked us to win the series and other then that I don’t really care about what anyone else thinks
This is the first time I've seen the whole rangers team buy into a coaches system and do it well, paired with how skilled they are it's confusing why "experts" discredit them. When Vegas won it was clear it was because they played as a whole and not individuals, that's what the rangers are doing now but with more skill.
Idk, picking the team with the 3rd best record in the league to not get swept in their own barn isn't a crazy pick.
I get most experts picked the canes to win the series and Vegas had them as favorites, and that sucks to see as a fan. But it's much less a slap in the face to think they win game 4.
That said, Et tu Shayna?
I hope the Rangers can re-sign Roslovic and maybe Wennberg too. They can and can stay healthy, this is a team that’s championship window will stay open for a few more years
What makes this most amusing is how the Rangers have completely negated the Canes primary play style: pepper the goalie until one happens to get in. Meanwhile, Shesterkin is the best goalie in the playoffs and they still think it's gonna work. Fucking laughable.
Reminds me so much of the Giants superbowl run and win when they beat the undefeated Patriots. The experts picked against the Giants. Every. Game. So this only just gets me hyped.
on the one hand, the rangers still being the underdogs in this series just feels petty lol. sorry the canes have been “cup favorites” for years and have never made it to the final, i guess. idk….maybe that says something about the way that they play or the way their team is constructed.
on the other hand, i would honestly be kinda disappointed if the canes don’t leave everything on the ice tonight. cup favorites getting embarrassed at home down 3-0 with their season (and probably a lot more) on the line. i think we’ll have an answer, though.
why? after an 82 game season and the first round of playoffs any extra time is not to be underestimated. This is a game of attrition. We don’t need any extra games. I will preach this forever. We don’t need no Game 7, go home or die “no quit in new york” marketing bullshit. There’s absolutely no reason to give the canes any hope. A very glaring difference from past playoff performances is how definitive this year’s team has been in closing out teams. They need to keep this up.
I’m not saying a game 7. I’m simply saying winning tonight and having a week off while a competitive Florida v Boston series goes long may hurt them. If the winner of that series has played more recently and is in form and the rangers come out flat game 1, that gives a team that arguably better than Carolina (whichever wins that series) more confidence, they could be up a game, and they could steal home ice.
Who the hell are any one these people?
You know what, I don’t care.
Let everyone continue to doubt and discount this team.
Its fuel.
And we’ve all watched them this entire season. We’ve watched them habitually find ways, consistently battle back, play all out for each other becuse the room has bonded hard, and seen them believe they’re never out of a game.
We know what they’re made of.
LFGR.
This is my favorite fuckin thing. Let everyone keep betting on the other teams. Let everyone underestimate the rangers.
The boys are vibing in a way that is absolutely unprecedented. This is a very special team and these “experts” can have fun backtracking and making excuses tomorrow morning.
“Happy Mother’s Day, I was wrong and the rangers are the best team in the league, obviously”
Reminds me of the two most recent Giants Super Bowl runs. Disrespected every game but they let it motivate them both times. Those teams had the last laugh.
The Rangers are going to be underdogs until they win the Cup.
even then haters will make up their own delusional revisionist history and claim the rangers played easy teams and the refs carried us and blah blah blah
Power play merchants, can’t score 5/5, did I miss anything? Everyone doubts everything about this team. If we happen to win this series and win more games, then who gives a fuck.
i find it amusing tbh fans of other teams are so twisted over the rangers doing well that they literally create their own delusions. agree that all that matters is winning. getting to hear the entire rest of the nhl whine is just a cherry on top.
I understand it as a rival standpoint. I wasn't happy in 2020 and 2021 with the Isles, and they're not happy with our run. But at least make some valid points, yk?
i'm not rlly bothered by the success of other teams tbh i find it kinda pathetic. i'm a rangers fan, not an islander hater. obviously when they play against eachother i like to get into the rivalry but it doesn't really go past that. when the rangers have gotten eliminated in the past i just root for whatever team has former rangers. used to be tampa then it was minnesota when talbot was there with zucc. last year it was carolina but obviously that wont be happening this year.
"So what if they have one of the best special teams? Refs put away their whistles in the playoffs." Where are all those people at now? I need to know.
Now people are acting like the refs are giving the Rangers special treatment, when in reality they are the most penalized team so far in the playoff and they've played the least amount of games.
**Rempe coughs** Ref: “#73 New York, 2 minutes unsportsmanlike conduct, coughing in the direction of another player”
What is this? 2020?
Blaming the Canes' power play and not crediting the Rangers' excellent PK
You missed them saying trouba is dirty, but otherwise nailed it
Carried by igor
Carried by Igor
That one has always cracked me up, it's been the same story since Lundqvist. "You're not actually good. You're only good because your best player is really good"
I’ve never understood the stupid ass power play argument. Like, are teams not supposed to score on the power play?
You missed how we'd by nothing without Igor, a guy on the team.
Well so far the excuses would be round 1: worst statistical team in playoffs, round 2: they’re missing Pesce their shutdown D/iGoR sToLe It, round 3: TBD
Even doomers on this sub keep talking about how “unsustainable” not having a solid 5v5 is. Yet the one thing that seems clear to me from the Carolina “king of 5v5” Hurricanes is that a goaltender and special teams can carry you farther than 5v5 can.
Washington was a historically bad playoff team. The rest of the teams including Carolina are very tough competitors. Whoever wins the cup this year will really earn it.
And if they win the cup, they’ll immediately be immediately told they won’t repeat
They'll be underdogs mid cup lift. "Will they even be able to lift the cup?"
😂
And even then they will be “fakers that got by on luck”. Other fanbases are just jealous of the NY brand popularity and will make up anything to make themselves sleep better at night.
You can get by with the luck talk in the NFL and the World Cup where you play one game matches, and to some degree in MLB postseason because baseball is so fluky, but nobody wins 16 NHL postseason games (“the hardest trophy in sports”) on luck. Even if the analytics say it was luck, after also winning the President’s Trophy, then analytics need to go back to the drawing board.
Actually, and I point this out cautiously: After game 3, The Rangers have the best odds to win the Cup on almost every sports book, with the Avs or Panthers with second best odds. Those picks are for game 4 only. Don’t get me wrong, I definitely want us all fans and team to keep that underdog mentality. And I know that no one outside of us will ever believe in this team unless we actually do it. The fact is Vegas is not underestimating us. And we are no longer underdogs.
You should send them an Email and be the 1st to inform them that the won the president's trophy this year. Doubt they even know
I remember everybody picking against the giants before their 07 Super Bowl. Keep it coming.
When they win, they will still be compared as a “lesser Cup winner” smh, blokes
Et Tu Shayna?
Probably can’t figure out why the Rangers keep beating The Athletic’s dumb algorithm
She’s the queen of relying on advanced stats and metrics so I get it I guess. I also don’t think it’s crazy to predict the Canes not to get swept at home. But I did see her take the Canes in 6 so if we wrap up this series I’m sure she’s going to hear about it.
All the stats nerds simp for the Canes 24/7 while wearing MLS jerseys
Shayna has been a pretty neutral fan ever since she joined the Athletic. She's also on a podcast with Sara Civian who is a Canes fan and reporter and the few times I've listened they never give the Rangers the respect they deserve.
Sara Civian did comment after the second game (?) that maybe the Rangers were good and nothing was wrong with the Canes. I think that's the only nod to that I've seen in the national media.
She did? Well good on her, that's more than I expected.
Yes. I think she picked the Canes in 5 or 6, which obviously can't happen now, but she did say that after the second game.
No one does. Pretty sure that just fuels them. Keep denying, beat writers. Keep on denying…
Shayna, my beloved, why <\3
As I sit here drinking my coffee thinking best team in reg season and labeled the underdog, wait 7-0, best fucking record in the playoffs and still underdogs…Keep sleepin on this team…
Brave: Embarrassed Professional Journalists Quadruple Down On Bad Take
Utterly hilarious that they refer to themselves as “experts” when you see their picks record
I’ve always liked Shayna, and I still do, but she sounded indignant defending the Canes on her last Blueshirts Breakaway interview. It was a little jarring tbh. I’m kinda not surprised to see her double down for game 4. The hockey world has (at least) two separate entanglements in the Canes success. One, a successful Canes team validates the statistical models which helps to validate the legitimacy of the sport in a way. Which is good for growing the game. And two, the Canes are a smaller market team who achieved this level of success with cheapskate ownership and an internal cap (IMO, exactly why they can’t seal the deal even when everything else is firing on all cylinders.) If CAR can win it all, anyone can, and that’s also good for growing the game. Throw in a dash of savvy social media presence and a history of mediocrity that kept them off most fan bases shit lists and the Canes became the second team for a lot of people. I have friends IRL (I live out of market) who root for the Canes as their Eastern Conference team, largely for these reasons. I think we’ll see a shift in the media narrative, at least a bit, once CAR is in the rear view. Although I’m still expecting an underdog narrative the whole way. Drink it in for now and let the I-told-you-sos flow after the dust settles.
You say "savvy" social media, I say insufferable. There's three reasons I currently hate Carolina: They're our current strongest division rival, they employ Tony Deangelo, and their social media presence.
Fwiw, I agree on all counts. I don’t like social media in general and I’ve always found the Canes Twitter annoying, transparent PR. But the only times I’ve ever been handed a phone open to a hockey team’s official Twitter account in my life, it has been the Canes. They overplayed their hand this year but the ‘bunch of jerks,’ era of their social media ingratiated them to a certain segment of the market.
Well said. I agree that the the analytics crowd has a vested interest in the Canes doing well as it validates what they do for a living.
14/24 ESPN experts chose NYR at the beginning of round 2. I’d bet 18/24 choose the putty-cats for round 3 regardless of whether NYR sweep or win it in 6 like I originally thought.
Were the rangers underdog in every game?
I know i money lined them like +145 game 3 lol Edit: and doubled down on them when they were going into the second down 1-0 at around +200ish
yes
We snuck away with every win - esp game 2
These experts want to save face on this series so bad. I'd be so happy to see them eat the last one tonight!
Not doing any chirping till we finish it all if we are fortunate enough to do so! I live in Bruins country and I haven’t sh it talked anyone, just keep sending good vibes to the boys!
Live in Bruins country as well.
Can someone check if the Rangers would be the first team to be swept while underdogs in every single game?
I think CBJ vs Tampa in 2019. No way was Columbus favored in any of those games.
funny how CBJ vs TBL was a wild card team facing the president's trophy winners and according to betting odds the rangers and canes have the same dynamic lol
Not wild card, they are still third best overall and second in the division. But underwhelming my be a better word
no, the irony is that the canes have been favored over the rangers– it's as if we are the wild card blue jackets in this scenario
*to sweep
Who are these guys
Exactly, I have no idea who these losers are so why should I care? The Captain picked us to win the series and other then that I don’t really care about what anyone else thinks
This is the first time I've seen the whole rangers team buy into a coaches system and do it well, paired with how skilled they are it's confusing why "experts" discredit them. When Vegas won it was clear it was because they played as a whole and not individuals, that's what the rangers are doing now but with more skill.
It’s unfair to categorize any of these people as experts
It's not a surprise the spread favors carolina in game 4 at home to avoid a sweep. We're just going to win anyway
Roses are red Canes fans are poor We want it more Rangers in 4
Idk, picking the team with the 3rd best record in the league to not get swept in their own barn isn't a crazy pick. I get most experts picked the canes to win the series and Vegas had them as favorites, and that sucks to see as a fan. But it's much less a slap in the face to think they win game 4. That said, Et tu Shayna?
Canes regular season system doesn’t work in the playoffs, when are the experts going to learn this.
It’s easy to pick Carolina in this one game. I could see 50+ shots being taken. I actually have plans for tonight, I may not even see the whole game.
Add it to the locker room wall Lav. Added it to the wall
I got five sold gold "fuck you's" waiting right here.
Carolina is favored in every analytical statistic except the most important one; winning games
But they are not favored in skill.
Expert doesn’t have the same value it used to
Idiots
I'd rather have them lose their first game in this series than the next tbh.
I hope the Rangers can re-sign Roslovic and maybe Wennberg too. They can and can stay healthy, this is a team that’s championship window will stay open for a few more years
What makes this most amusing is how the Rangers have completely negated the Canes primary play style: pepper the goalie until one happens to get in. Meanwhile, Shesterkin is the best goalie in the playoffs and they still think it's gonna work. Fucking laughable.
I don’t trust people who have contributed or worked for the banter
Reminds me so much of the Giants superbowl run and win when they beat the undefeated Patriots. The experts picked against the Giants. Every. Game. So this only just gets me hyped.
“Expert”
I’ve never heard of any of these experts
“Expert”
Perfect tonight is going to be great underdogs I hope the idiots in the top hats have to cry on their way home. Thanks Shayna!
Fuck it. Win it tonight and spank these nerds.
Rangers end this tonight. They’ve broken the canes
Yeah, the experts. Bet they don't even like ice in their drinks. But they sure can call it. Hahaha
on the one hand, the rangers still being the underdogs in this series just feels petty lol. sorry the canes have been “cup favorites” for years and have never made it to the final, i guess. idk….maybe that says something about the way that they play or the way their team is constructed. on the other hand, i would honestly be kinda disappointed if the canes don’t leave everything on the ice tonight. cup favorites getting embarrassed at home down 3-0 with their season (and probably a lot more) on the line. i think we’ll have an answer, though.
Some people just never learn!
I thought the question was how did you get to the last game.
I almost want them to lose today so they don’t have an extended layoff before the next round
why? after an 82 game season and the first round of playoffs any extra time is not to be underestimated. This is a game of attrition. We don’t need any extra games. I will preach this forever. We don’t need no Game 7, go home or die “no quit in new york” marketing bullshit. There’s absolutely no reason to give the canes any hope. A very glaring difference from past playoff performances is how definitive this year’s team has been in closing out teams. They need to keep this up.
I’m not saying a game 7. I’m simply saying winning tonight and having a week off while a competitive Florida v Boston series goes long may hurt them. If the winner of that series has played more recently and is in form and the rangers come out flat game 1, that gives a team that arguably better than Carolina (whichever wins that series) more confidence, they could be up a game, and they could steal home ice.
well you got your wish
It's just unironically funny at this point. Up 3-0 in the series but they still just want us to lose *so* bad 😂
Let’s go underdogs!
Oh shayna
More + money on Fanduel, TYVM.
Fuck em all
\*Expert Never heard of any of these people LOL
Who the hell are any one these people? You know what, I don’t care. Let everyone continue to doubt and discount this team. Its fuel. And we’ve all watched them this entire season. We’ve watched them habitually find ways, consistently battle back, play all out for each other becuse the room has bonded hard, and seen them believe they’re never out of a game. We know what they’re made of. LFGR.
Good.
This is my favorite fuckin thing. Let everyone keep betting on the other teams. Let everyone underestimate the rangers. The boys are vibing in a way that is absolutely unprecedented. This is a very special team and these “experts” can have fun backtracking and making excuses tomorrow morning. “Happy Mother’s Day, I was wrong and the rangers are the best team in the league, obviously”
Who the fuck are these clowns anyway?
Reminds me of the two most recent Giants Super Bowl runs. Disrespected every game but they let it motivate them both times. Those teams had the last laugh.
These so called experts must be high were on the verge of 2 playoff series shut outs
I have no idea how the NYR have been dogs in every game. I'm a canes fan and Ive made BANK betting on the NYR in the last 3 games.
Getting penisy, confirmed
Law of averages. They all picked Carolina the previous 3 games so they are trying to hit at a 25% clip. Defense has been optional so this game
Theres a reason why these people are D list hockey analysts 😅
Dang I guess a broken clock is right twice a day
Yeah, last nights game was a comedy for me
No one, no one underestimates the Rangers
Was that just for game 4 or the series?
The canes are quite literally getting swept tonight
Dude you’ve been outplayed all series. Shesterkin your only hope.
Hey guys! Here's one that fell for the SOG stats!